is it possible to defeat Google on their search engine?

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I would start a new webmaster forum for my blog site and ranking it to top search but when i check this keyword "webmaster forum", Google is getting 2 first positions (as the picture)



I don't know if i build a new webmaster forum it is possible to defeat Google on their search engine to get top 1 on Google search?

I have seen many cases like this and waiting for a valuable answer.

Thanks
Harry
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    No offense but you're here asking If it's possible so no, it's not possible.

    They have a double SERP listing from an established authority domain for a high traffic keyword. That's a tough keyword (webmaster forum) even for someone that's been doing SEO for years.

    If you're just starting out with SEO you need to start with way weaker SERP competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author wloggy
    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    No offense but you're here asking If it's possible so no, it's not possible.

    They have a double SERP listing from an established authority domain for a high traffic keyword. That's a tough keyword (webmaster forum) even for someone that's been doing SEO for years.

    If you're just starting out with SEO you need to start with way weaker SERP competition.
    I have to agree with Yukon, you should rethink this idea because it is impossible while your forum is quite new, even a best webmaster forum like webmastersun.com that I knew then it could not get top #1 on Google search engine for that keyword.

    You should find an easier niche which has less competitive and start a new forum then you will be many opportunities to succeed.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I'm not saying OP shouldn't target the niche, they just need to do better keyword research.

    Even though the webmaster forum keyword has tough SERP competition doesn't mean OP can't pick up some SERP traffic from other niche related keywords.

    I would also still target the keyword (webmaster forum) as If I'm trying to rank for the keyword, I just wouldn't expect to rank for the keyword. This helps pick up longtail keyword traffic.

    In this case we already know dozens of webmaster forums exist, so simply piggyback off those established forum threads and optimize your own forum threads for very specific niche traffic rather than a generic root keyword (webmaster forum).

    Example, do a search on Google for specific keywords/subjects:



    The thread titles below are literally what the niche traffic is asking, word for word.
    • How to deal with endless bot hits on wp-login.php
    • Tuning a MySQL database for WordPress
    • Can I run both wordpress website and non-wordpress on same domain
    • How to speed up wordpress website
    • Can't edit WordPress site at all
    • Which Wordpress Plugin is Best for Sitemap
    • etc...

    Build pages (forum threads) for those subjects. Track the SERPs and watch incoming traffic keyword referral ideas. Optimize longtail keywords as needed. Repeat...

    Don't copy content from other domains, build pages with unique text targeting the same subject/s. A new site with no backlinks that copies already ranked pages will get buried in Supplemental SERPs (no traffic).

    With that being said, all these other webmaster forums probably already have the answers to each question/subject, you just need to put it in your own words and optimize better than the existing forum threads.

    To be honest, most forums suck at SEO so it shouldn't be difficult out ranking their internal forum thread pages assuming the internal forum thread page URL doesn't have a decent followed backlink profile for the exact URL of the ranked page.
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    • Profile picture of the author harryptx
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I would also still target the keyword (webmaster forum) as If I'm trying to rank for the keyword, I just wouldn't expect to rank for the keyword. This helps pick up longtail keyword traffic.
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      I got your point and it's exact thing I need to follow and do for my new site. I will not focus on ranking that tough keyword that concentrating on building quality content with longtail keywords and a few backlinks to the site to help improving rankings.
      I think this needs a bit more time but I can wait and see what will happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author harryptx
      Originally Posted by michaelkoehler92 View Post

      NO you cant instead look for some other LSI keywords.
      What are LSI keywords?
      sorry I am new to SEO
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      • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
        Originally Posted by harryptx View Post

        What are LSI keywords?
        sorry I am new to SEO
        ....yet you want to start a webmaster forum! ... go figure.
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step but you get there a lot faster if you start at step 950, don't you?


          Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

          ....yet you want to start a webmaster forum! ... go figure.
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          • Profile picture of the author rustybrick
            Originally Posted by DABK View Post

            .....but you get there a lot faster if you start at step 950, don't you?
            Just curious...What is the condition to start at step 950 if I also want to start a new web master forum?
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      • Profile picture of the author sparrow
        Originally Posted by harryptx View Post

        What are LSI keywords?
        sorry I am new to SEO
        exactly what Yukon was getting at

        follow his advice he is a master of getting to the point of what needs to get done for his keyword research
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  • Profile picture of the author sreejanniyogi
    It would be very difficult. I would rather look for some other keywords. But your idea is definitely good.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    Not a chance of beating Google.

    LSI stands for "Latent Semantic Indexing" - geek-speak for related or sometimes even synonyms of the targeted keyword phrase.
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    • Profile picture of the author freetriffac
      Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

      Not a chance of beating Google.
      I have to agree with this opinion but nothing is impossible if you have more, even very more money, that will be possible.

      Just my 0.02 cents!
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  • Nothing is impossible!! If you are targeting a great niche like Google you have to work hard, build quality links and huge traffic to your site, then you could see the result.
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  • Profile picture of the author KylieSweet
    For a tough keyword target (webmaster forum) you will need to use long tail keyword like "best webmaster forum" "top webmaster forum" "webmaster forum tips" etc. in which related to your main keyword. This is to specifically target your audience in the web.
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    • Profile picture of the author harryptx
      Originally Posted by BatmanGotham View Post

      One interesting problem
      I think so and saw many cases that many websites are facing this problem.
      Originally Posted by KylieSweet View Post

      For a tough keyword target (webmaster forum) you will need to use long tail keyword like "best webmaster forum" "top webmaster forum" "webmaster forum tips" etc. in which related to your main keyword. This is to specifically target your audience in the web.
      I will note about using these keywords if I start a new webmaster forum. I'm feeling so difficult because Google is really a giant guy in SEO
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  • Profile picture of the author Kathense
    So, how is relevancy defined within the search engines? It’s a combination of the keywords in the Title Tag, URL String, and meta-tags and how densely they are within the content of the pages. A good keyword density is around 3% and Google is very strict with this so do not over this percentage.
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    • Profile picture of the author harryptx
      Originally Posted by Kathense View Post

      So, how is relevancy defined within the search engines? Its a combination of the keywords in the Title Tag, URL String, and meta-tags and how densely they are within the content of the pages. A good keyword density is around 3% and Google is very strict with this so do not over this percentage.
      I don't understand what you are saying but with Google, it didn't care about that, even they don't need to put exact keywords on the title tag but still getting top search engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    Google just updated it latest and final version of the penguin 4.0. This is an algorithm that picks up in real time. You might get away with it once but rest assured that the google penguin and penda would catch up in a hurry . To avoid being slapped by google write relevant content and try not to post robotic content and please don't try any farming . Avoid stuffing your website/content with keywords because that is another sure way to get a google penalty.
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