Terry Kyle's Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment

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OK, here's the 60-day backlinking experiment that I will be running and documenting in this sub-forum starting on Thursday 17 September 2009.

Hopefully this ambitious public experiment will help many Warriors here and you'll enjoy the ride!

I don't remember seeing anything like this on Warrior Forum before so it should be interesting and possibly sort out a few SEO/SEM myths from facts (and maybe prove that different Search Engine strategies can each achieve the same objective).

Starting on Thursday 17 September 2009, I will simultaneously run 4 different SEM (Search Engine Marketing) strategies on 3 different NEW GoArticles in the same niche plus one BRAND NEW website BUT with approximately the same search volume for the 4 different keywords.

This is not really an SEO experiment in the sense that I can't do much with on-page factors like internal link structure and H2 tags etc as the three articles are examples of so-called 'parasite hosting' on GoArticles and the fourth will be relying on WordPress SEO power and Ken Fry's SB101.

Why GoArticles?

GoArticles are particularly responsive to backlinking but I will choose keywords where there are currently no GoArticles on Page 1 of Google USA (though I live in London, UK) or at least no more than one at the moment.

Each article will target a different keyword within the same niche, be just over 500 words and use the exact keyword phrase 5 times. I will try to have a roughly similar search volume for each keyword (at least 100 searches a day) and a roughly similar degree of difficulty for ranking.

Why 60 days?

In my experience, it takes time to get serious search engine traction with a money site (some Web 2.0 sites generally fade out fast) and this experiment is about building a stable, high, long-term rank for each article.

4 different search engine strategies will be used:

Article 1

Normal backlinking using the backlinks of Angela, PJ and my own WSO (including only IRRELEVANT sites to niche) - 50 backlinks per week for 8 weeks (60 days), minimum PR 5.

Article 2

Backlinking only to RELEVANT sites, blogs and forums (are they of higher value given their topic relevance? Let's see) - 50 backlinks per week for 8 weeks (60 days), minimum PR 5.

Article 3

SENuke Pro including Link Wheels with all feeder sites backlinked using the backlinks of Angela, PJ and my own. Some articles used in each of the Web 2.0 sites will be spun by Power Article Rewriter to an originality degree of about 40% (I usually hit about 43% judging by SEN). Other articles will be spun by Human Rewriter (which I haven't used before but Jeremy Kelsall rates highly).

Though I've had plenty of success with my own backlinking methods, I have briefly trialled SENuke a couple of times in the past without much success - could have been the proverbial 'nut behind the wheel' - but this time I want to use this experiment to fast-track my learning curve on SENuke.

Helpful Warrior Tom Brite is my SENuke wingman he has awesome SE Nuke buyer bonuses by the way so hopefully we can all learn the nuances and insider tricks of SEN Pro during this 60-day experiment.

Wild Card - Test 4

I will also create a brand new site on Thursday, a dot com site with the search phrase in the domain name, install a WP blog as the main site (not in a sub-folder), change the Permalink post names section to be more SEO-friendly, add more RSS sites to ping, install Warrior Jeremy Kelsall's Content Blender plugin (more on that later), Google Sitemap Generator, All-In-One Seo and Google Analytics.

I will create 60 highly spun versions of a few articles and set up the blog to publish one each day. More importantly, one inner page post URL (the first post) will be added to Warrior Ken Fry's SB101 WSO which relies solely on social bookmarking backlinks. This site will get no other juice except from the daily posting of a seemingly original article (with cloaked aff links at top and bottom like the GoArticles), WP's SEO-friendliness and SB101.

And...

Each GoArticle will have two cloaked affiliate links in the same call to action sentence, using offto dot net, one at the top of the article (permitted in GA) and one in the Bio Box.

Each article will direct to the same Clickbank product (each with a different Tracking ID), a product with a respectable gravity of roughly 100+ (probably) and each keyword should show as anything from "Easy" to "Doable" in SE Nuke and have a green or yellow SOC (Strength of Competition) result in Micro Niche Finder.

I'll post screen grabs of these when I choose them. I will also choose a niche with universal relevance across the world - that rules out reverse phone lookup, dammit!

A new ClickBank account will be created for this experiment.

My secondary goal at the end of the 60 days (approximately 17 November 2009) is to sell, one, some, or all of the article accounts and the website here on Warrior Forum and/or at Flippa.

Value estimations on site flipping can be volatile but I will look to sell each article account for a minimum of 10x monthly revenue e.g. if one of the GoArticles is averaging $100 a day and $3000 a month, I will TRY to get $30,000 for it but let's see what happens. That could be too ambitious.

I know that a GoArticle is not as attractive to a buyer as a standalone website and there are always fears about GA changing their rules (on affiliate links, for example) or Google suddenly slapping them (as they have done with Squidoo in the past) so my valuation is lower than the 12-24x monthly profit ballpark with normal websites.

Time will tell there.

However, website buyers are ultimately attracted to revenue, be it from a popular YouTube video or any other form of web property so hopefully that stage in this experiment will prove as interesting to you (and me) as the SEM stage.

By the way, I have absolutely no interest in promoting one method over another and am only interested in what WORKS in this 'race' between the 3 articles and the new website.

I will not be favoring any one approach and will be doing all four simultaneously over the 60 days with my outsourcer backlinking Article 1 (IRRELEVANT sites), me backlinking RELEVANT sites for Article 2, SENuke doing the 'heavy lifting' on Article 3 and SB101 carrying the hopes of a generation for the brand new website.

I make no income predictions whatsoever but let's see how the race goes.

As the experiment unfolds, I will post screen grabs of GA article views, ClickBank hop stats, commissions, Analytics stats etc.

Hopefully 200 Warriors won't jump all over these keywords when the experiment begins which would artificially distort the results of this test.

Being able to show the keywords, site, articles and progress is what will make the whole experiment worthwhile.

So, one niche, three GoArticles, one brand new site and 4 different SEM strategies.

Let the race begin and feel free to chime in with your questions or suggestions (parameters can be modified before the start) as we go...

More details soon as we get closer to the kick-off.

Stay tuned...

BTW, if you've just dropped by for the first time and feel like this thread is of value to you, don't forget to hit the "Thanks" button below on the right!
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    • Profile picture of the author CalGolden
      Ambitious undertaking, Terry. Thanks for sharing this with the gang.

      got this thread plugged into my tivo. Looks like it's goanna be a thrilling ride.






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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Kenny
        I'll be following this thread closely.

        Nice to see threads like this instead of the usual general questions.

        Keep it up
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    This will definitely be interesting Terry and help a LOT of folks along the way. Looking forward to following along!
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  • Profile picture of the author Yuds
    Very interested to see how this turns out.

    Thanks so much for doing this!
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    Brilliant thread, i will be following along, this will definitley help many Warriors.
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  • Profile picture of the author purelight
    I'm really looking forward to your results as a subscriber to Angela and Pauls service.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    I think everyone here will be interested in the results!

    Me and Terry have been bouncing ideas off each other and perfecting this for the past week before he goes off and does all the hard work and testing for you all!

    Hoping to see some very definite differences in results to show which one is the best winner out of all of them.

    Good luck Terry.

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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    Hi Terry,

    Unfortunately these types of threads get deleted. Real shame in my opinion. Any time anyone even slightly refers to a case study and *poof* thread deleted.

    Hope this thread survives.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
    OMG I've been waiting for this thread my entire IM career.
    Can't wait to see the results!!
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    I'll make sure to follow this thread! I'd really like to know the result and I have no doubts that you will stay consistent until the end. Good luck!
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    Looking for the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    Terry, I think you cannot expect this experiment to turn out well if it is run publicly during the 60 days that count. Everyone who wants to blog about the experiment will be distorting the results by including links. The links from blogs are not going to be worth the same and not going to be distributed evenly, so you lose control over the experiment.

    That, and of course also the links from WF itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author younghamir
    I will subscribe to this thread and learn from your results. good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
    This looks to be a really interesting experiment. I'll be checking back often to see how it goes. However, I would suggest that you keep the domain, the niche, and the article titles under your hat until after the 60 days are over. If you don't, your results are going to be skewed. Plus, I've seen too many times in various private forums that when someone is doing a case study, that all kinds of people assume that it is going to be super profitable, so they jump in as well. If you want a fair test, you don't need those headaches to account for.
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  • Profile picture of the author flaminjo
    i will be eagerly waiting for the results... do keep us posted about the developments
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr_Julian_S
    Hi Terry and thanks for the wonderful tip. I would really like to give your suggestion a try and even excited to see the results then. Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author SaSeoPete
    Hey Terry, good on ya definitely want to see the results.

    May I make a suggestion? Maybe do not give the niche away until the end. I bet you are going to get 100's of people jumping on the gravy train here. Just a thought
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  • Profile picture of the author saintsguy
    Like everyone else I will be following this and definitely hope this thread is not deleted. It will be interesting to see how successful an IM'er can be using GoArticles. Best of luck, Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Nice Idea Terry. You have another follower here.

    Subscribed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
      Good luck with your ambitious experiment - I look forward to the results, maybe all Warriors can learn something from this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      My thinking at the moment is that without revealing the articles, site and keywords, this experiment loses a lot of interest.

      What I'll do is provide some other attractive keywords in the chosen niche for the 'keyword vultures' to attack which hopefully will draw some of them off.

      OK, here's my first screw-up in preparation for this experiment and exactly why this whole process is of value to everyone following along.

      I was experimenting with Human Rewriter and just got back my first rewritten article (in under 24 hours by using the Express option) and wanted my article to have plenty of spin syntax options so that it would be good for 20-30 semi-original articles. This was for an article in an unrelated niche as a test.

      When I set up the article though, I only asked for one rewrite but "Word Spins Per Sentence: 3" and "Spin Options Per Word: 2". These last 2 settings are the maximum you can request.

      The produced spun article needed a little correction here and there which is fine but basically - unless I'm doing something wrong - I only have 2 articles: my original and the single rewritten one. Not quite what I had in mind.

      In short, if you are using this service, you MUST choose 4 or 5 rewrites when you FIRST submit the article for spinning BUT keep in mind that this will 4-5x the price so you could be looking at $20-$30 for an article that has a 30-spin 'lifespan'.




      That's OK as it saves a lot of time at my end and a buck an article is hard to complain about.

      Also note that at Human Rewriter, without the express option ("Rush My Order" for 1.25 'credits'), article turnaround time is presently 48-72 hours.

      A lot of IM is trial-and-error and my little errors with new services and programs (like this) in my experiment should mean that you won't need to.

      If Jeremy Kelsall (or another Warrior experienced with HR) reads this and thinks the above is incorrect, I'd love to be advised otherwise Jeremy (he uses this service a lot)...
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      • Profile picture of the author jplanigan
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        I was experimenting with Human Rewriter and just got back my first rewritten article (in under 24 hours by using the Express option) and wanted my article to have plenty of spin syntax options so that it would be good for 20-30 semi-original articles. This was for an article in an unrelated niche as a test.

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        In short, if you are using this service, you MUST choose 4 or 5 rewrites when you FIRST submit the article for spinning BUT keep in mind that this will 4-5x the price so you could be looking at $20-$30 for an article that has a 30-spin 'lifespan'.



        Why not use humanspinner.com if you are looking for spun articles? At $0.11 per sentence it is sure to be much cheaper. I haven't used them yet, but I have heard good things about both quality and speed.

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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    When I set up the article though, I only asked for one rewrite but "Word Spins Per Sentence: 3" and "Spin Options Per Word: 2". These last 2 settings are the maximum you can request.
    I think your writers might have forgotten to do the spin syntax parts.

    What you should have gotten (If I am reading this right) is 1 new sentence for each of your originals, but each sentence would have had 3 words spun for 2 different options.

    Kind of like this:

    The {quick|fast} brown fox {jumped|leaped} over the lazy {canine|dog}.

    To me, that would make for a crapload of different articles, wouldn't it? Each sentence would have 8 different permeations, wouldn't it? Or am I thinking wrong?

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Latest update:

      Thanks for the positive feedback, firstly.

      Apologies to Human Rewriter as my second and third test articles (for other sites of mine) came back with spun syntax OK - setting was one rewrite with the maximum number of word spins per sentence and maximum number of spins per word (about $6 for a 500 word article); maybe I missed changing those on the very first article

      BUT...

      when I pasted these two spun articles into SENuke and checked their uniqueness level under the "Social Network/Article Directory Nuke" module, the two spun articles achieved scores of only 10% and 15% unique. 20% is a minimum and 30% preferred.

      HR are now showing a 3-6 day backlog so I will look at Human Spinner as an alternative (good to try both of course). Later in the test I will feed in some HR-spun content for my SENuke Linkwheels for Article 3 (2 rewrites per article - about $12 per spun article).

      That means that I will spin articles myself in Power Article Rewriter as I have pretty much settled on my niche and keywords for Thursday's launch...
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      • Profile picture of the author Unitedmarketing
        I found Power Article Rewriter very helpful! Especially with the nested variables. Thanks for mentioning it. Do you have a list of the the article submission sites you use?

        I admire your free giving of this information to inform those who eagerly seek this info. Great leadership! Thanks so much for what you do here and your backlinking forum.
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    This one is very exciting.
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    This sounds interesting, i am going to follow this thread!
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    Love to hear the results
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    Looking forward to it Terry!

    You have lots of people waiting to see your results!

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      DAY 1 - PART 1

      OK, let's get rocking and rolling!

      Even though Keyword research isn't the main part of this experiment, I still wanted to document my process.

      In short, I wanted to target a niche that I have never worked in before (like newbies), involves a degree of emotional desperation on the part of potential buyers (instead of a hobby like kite flying or RC cars - actually those RC car guys are pretty fanatical!) and wasn't in 'make money online'.

      For the Keyword research part of my experiment, I've bought Keyword Elite 2.0, used Micro Niche Finder (which I've had for a long time) and SENuke (which I've trialled for 7 days only in the past but am using 'properly' now with Tom Brite's assistance).

      I am also in Jeremy Kelsall and Donald Van Fossen's SEO Bootcamp (which I do recommend) as I'm always hungry for new tactics to expand my IM repertoire.

      Obviously I'm also using my own accumulated IM knowledge from the last year and a half or so.

      Now, in order to keep the experiment as 'pure' as possible, I'm going to reveal everything I'm doing here EXCEPT the keywords I'm targeting and the articles and site I've created (at least not until further on in the experiment).

      As the experiment unfolds, I will reveal all of these as I think it is necessary for the enjoyment of participation.

      Also, my own view towards mistakes, failures and screw-ups as we proceed is that they're great as I can continue to fine-tune my IM strategy and not make those same errors again - trial and error in part.

      Now, today the experiment has begun so I've been doing my specific keyword research, using all of the above tools and finding out a few interesting things which I'll share in a moment.

      Firstly though, here are the tables of a bunch of keywords from which I will shortly choose my final 4 (for the 3 GoArticles and one new site).

      The column on USA Exact Monthly Search Volume is straight out of Google's Keyword Tool BUT underneath that, I've included the Keyword Elite monthly search estimate which usually is VERY different (even though it is presumably based on Google results).

      In comparison, Micro Niche Finder (MNF) delivers exactly the same search volume as Google's Keyword Tool.

      In the comparison table, I have also included SENuke's estimate of whether ranking is achievable for a specific Keyword.

      SOC stands for Strength of Competition and each program makes a guess about how hard it is to rank for a Keyword - the lower the number the better and green means go, amber means treat with doubt (a bit hard to rank) and red means forget it, too hard.

      Later in the experiment, I will publish the unblurred table here.

      However, in the next post here below, I will outline the dangers of relying on all this information and what else I take into account when targeting a niche.

      Oh and another nice tip I accidentally picked up in the SEO Bootcamp of Jeremy and Don (which I don't think they'll mind me sharing as they didn't make a big deal of it) is that when you are using Yahoo Site Explorer to check a site's backlinks, do it with the SEO Quake for Firefox plugin enabled so that you can see the PR and other details about sites linking to the one you are analysing e.g.


      Here are my initial Keyword research tables which I will discuss in more detail in the next post below:





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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        DAY 1 - PART 2

        So, as you saw in the previous post, obviously the results from these tools differ in the search volumes predicted (by a huge degree in some cases!) and in the degree of difficulty.

        My own shortcut way to make the final choice is to look at the top 3 sites for a Keyword in Google:

        [1] are there any Web 2.0 or article directory pages sites there e.g. Squidoo, Buzzle, EZA or GoArticles etc;

        [2] how many backlinks are there to those Web 2.0/article directory pages (Google generally ranks pages not sites)?

        [3] in the absence of those types of sites in the top 3 (which is usually a big green light for me if they ARE there), how strong is the #1 site in terms of backlinks (to the page, not the site) and authority (e.g. is it a Wikipedia page) which could be harder to budge.

        I have just started to look at the inanchor search operator but the numbers usually seem pretty high for these so I'll stick to the above measures until I get better at that inanchor approach.

        There's a good WSO: 1000 very low inanchor Keywords with reasonable search volume!

        As the above suggests, typically I will IGNORE:

        [1] "in quotes" 'competing sites' numbers (the top 3 or 5 are your true competition)

        [2] SOC estimates by automated programs (as they don't normally take backlinks into account though Keyword Elite might, I need to look into that more).

        Search terms with 4 or more words are usually a less competitive place to start though occasionally you may get a 3-word term that isn't too competitive.

        OK, so I've got my 4 terms from the comparison tables on the previous post:

        Keyword #1


        Keyword #5


        Keyword #11


        I'm pretty happy with the first three Keywords in terms of seemingly beatable competition but the 4th is less satisfactory. Nonetheless, I'm going with #12 which is the one I'll let SB101 loose on with the new website.

        And in order to write my articles (3 for GA under different new account names and one for the new WP blog website), I am going to read 5 or 6 articles in my target niche on EZA and make notes as I go.

        That's four x 500 word articles with the Keyword in each 5 times.

        Written today.

        As I complete each article, I will add it to GA. In my experience, GA has a new article up and running in 24 hours or less. It seems automated and pretty quick so I assume that GA doesn't use human moderators like EZA.

        I will also create a new account at Clickbank now and give each article a unique tracking idea:

        Article 1 (Angela/PJ/My links only - IRRELEVANT sites only) Tracking Code: ART1

        Article 2 (Angela/PJ/My links only - RELEVANT sites only) Tracking Code: ART2

        Article 3 (SENuke Linkwheels with wheel sites backlinked using Angela/PJ/My links) Tracking Code: ART3

        I cannot create SENuke linkwheels pointing to my money site GA until it has been approved and given its own URL by GoArticles i.e tomorrow (for which I will need a spun version of this article which I will do using Power Article Rewriter though any spinning program will do)

        Article 4 (New website/WP blog/SB101 program from WF WSO) Tracking Code: ART4

        All links will be cloaked using offto dot net.

        Realistically, Test 4, the new website being powered by SB101, probably won't be up and running until very late tonight or tomorrow morning but that slight time lag shouldn't really make much difference over the 60 days of this test.

        If one (or more) of these models is successful financially, you only need to replicate the steps that I detail in this thread to hopefully enjoy similar results.

        Back to work now...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    Lots of work there Terry and nice to see you examining other points too which is cool!

    Tom Brite
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  • Profile picture of the author rbecgolf
    Good luck with the experiment. It will be fun to watch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Terry:

    I am amazed with the amount of work and detail you're going through.

    Jesus!!! This is getting a precious thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    Guess I'll be reading this thread to see how it turns out for you.

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      DAY 2 UPDATE:

      Thanks for the support!

      OK, so 2 of my 3 GoArticles are live but I'm still waiting on the third (the first were up in under 12 hours).

      I also set up the site for Test 4 using namecheap and my hostgator reseller account.

      The .com domain was of course already taken so I added a '2' at the end e.g mydomain2.com just like you have to do with a new email address sometimes.

      There are no hyphens/dashes in the domain, just one long word string.

      I set up WP on the site, customised settings, theme, plugins, permalinks etc and will post screen grabs of all that tomorrow.

      I posted my new article tailored for that 4th keyword to my new WP blog (using the free Direct Response theme), added the keywords from all 4 test versions here as category and tag names.

      I then 'enrolled' in Warrior Ken Fry's Social Bookmarking 101 program with the inner page post url and I am now waiting to find out if that site/page has been approved to go live in the system. I'll let you know on that.

      As the SENuke target article (#3 if you remember) is live, I can start on my link wheel for that tomorrow (Saturday) as soon as my maximum variation article is back from Human Rewriter (all $35 of it) - hopefully my SENuke gunslinger partner Tom Brite won't be out surfing then!

      OK, good day's work today - loads of screen grabs up tomorrow and more good fun then, gotta go to Salsa now...
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Oh and if you think this thread is valuable, why not Rate This Thread highly up above in the WF toolbar?
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        • Profile picture of the author James Pateman
          Hi Terry, go for it mate...outstanding.

          I'm all in favor of sorting out the myths from the facts through testing like this. Good-on-ya for putting in the effort for the benefit of us all.

          regards,
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          • Profile picture of the author AJsVRE
            Outstanding thread, I'll definitely be following this! Not only are you putting a lot of ACTION into this, but you're also putting a lot of effort into sharing everything here, that's sure to win you a lot of appreciation! Also, curious as to how you're setting up your google alerts?
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        • Profile picture of the author judelive1986
          I'm so excited about the results... I'll just follow on this post..
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          • Profile picture of the author XRay
            Terry,

            This is an excellent thread! I love the detail you're giving here. I've subscribed to this thread so I can keep up with your progress. Wishing you much success with this project.

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            • Profile picture of the author dwrglobal
              I'll absolutely keep an eye on this thread.. Way to go Terry..
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              • Profile picture of the author netstarmobile
                This is very educational. As someone new to this whole scene, I find this info extremely useful. I'm not sure I fully understand everything Terry is doing, but as the experiment continues, I intend to educate myself with as much research as possible. I subscribed to this thread and I'm learning some valuable things from it, so THANK YOU, Terry for the education and I'll be watching with great interest as the experiment continues.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Thursday Night 1 October Update:

                  Thanks for all the support above - don't forget to click on the "Thanks" button on the bottom right of this post if you find my posts/thread valuable!

                  OK, before I answer a few questions, I wanted to revisit the whole converting an HTML or other type of page that DOESN'T have an RSS feed into one.

                  If you recall, I had recommended WebDev's tool BUT their RSS feeds were NOT validating. Whoops!

                  BUT, I have found one and checked it out (couldn't get Pete Drew's to work but thanks for the tip!). The benefit of doing this is to give your pages that don't come with their own feed, an RSS feed that you can hit:

                  FeedAgg
                  FeedAge
                  FeedBurner
                  Autopinger
                  Pingomatic
                  MillionRSS
                  and
                  RSSBot

                  e.g. you might have GoArticles, Amazon pages, a static HTML site of your own, an RSS-feedless Web 2.0 property (not many but still some) etc and want to give it extra exposure and link juice through an RSS blitz.

                  The site to visit is Feedage.com - Convert HTML 2 RSS

                  and here are the steps:

                  Step 1:


                  Step 2:


                  Step 3:


                  Step 4:


                  Step 5:


                  Blast it out to the RSS services I mentioned above. In case you couldn't read that RSS Validator URL (there are plenty of 'em out there), its: W3C Feed Validation Service, for Atom and RSS

                  Right, now for some questions:

                  Originally Posted by purelight View Post

                  To be honest Terry, even though I recently bought your WSO I don't know a heck of a lot and a bit of what your doing is just going over my head. I would be very interested in the CB process if it doesn't slow the thread down too much with basics for everyone else.
                  Will do. The CB process was pretty painless and only took a few days. If you have specific questions purelight, fire them in! I've tried to document each step but occasionally I might have missed something so jump in and ask - it's the only way to learn!

                  Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post

                  GoArticles is good for SERP/SEO purposes. But GoArticles doesn't allow traffic statistic. If you put an affiliate link into the resource box of an article, how do you find out traffic statistic through the GoArticles?
                  Hi H. GoArticles WILL give raw view counts so I rely on my tracking IDs within the articles themselves to give me info in ClickBanks Analytics. If you look back at my previous posts, you'll see how CB analytics is telling me where the hops are coming from and which ones convert. That's why it's really worth the trouble of setting up those unique CB tracking IDs e.g.

                  Link at top of Article 1 - CB tracking code: 1A

                  Link within Article 1 - CB tracking code 1B

                  Link in Bottom Bio Box Article 1 - CB tracking code 1c

                  If you want me to do screen grabs of setting up ClickBank tracking codes and cloaking them in offto.net, let me know.

                  With my Article 3 Linkwheel 'spoke' sites, I am using the tracking code LWHEEL but I really should have created a unique code for each Web 2.0 site (I'll try to!) but with the upgraded SENuke, there are 34 ring sites feeding my money site so it's more work. Worth it though. BTW, I'm still setting that up as I want my Linkwheel 'structural integrity' to be perfect.

                  Originally Posted by James Lancaster View Post

                  I have some questions:
                  How I should build my backlinks? I have no problems building almost unlimited amount of backlinks from various high profile sites and random sites as well, however, some of my goarticles have ranked in the first pages during a week but haven't risen any more. The inner pages of my sites that I built backlinks for along with goarticle ones, haven't been indexed at all or rank very badly. Is it ok to build, let's say, 40 backlinks a day and then rest for some time? It's much more convenient to build 100 in one day on a week than 10 a day. Does it matter to google? I ask because apparently Google can't find all backlinks at once thus it can not think it is spam.

                  Also what about submitting batches of backlinks to profile sites by copy-paste method? Won't google catch up that those are the same and same backlinks with no changes?

                  Thank you for your answers
                  Hi James. You can either build backlinks yourself following Angela/PJs/my WSO picture guide OR outsource them via a service like elance.com (the only one I've ever used and very happy with it). I pay $25 per 50 profile backlinks with a bio paragraph and photo uploaded and one of my WSO buyers told me that he was quoted $175 for building 750 links! Not bad.

                  some of my goarticles have ranked in the first pages during a week but haven't risen any more

                  GoArticles - like any site - need to be backlinked until you reach your desired position. A lot depends on the strength of competition above your GA. That's where finding a keyword with weak competition is very important e.g you might be able to beat a Wikipedia page with 8,000 backlinks but it will take a very loooooong time.

                  Here's one thing I know for sure about the relationship between backlinking and Google ranking: it's often a frustratingly inconsistent progression to the top. Nothing happens - then big movement - then a plateau - little movement - then high rankings etc. It's like you have to reach tipping points for further progress. In short James, just keep at it.

                  The inner pages of my sites that I built backlinks for along with goarticle ones, haven't been indexed at all or rank very badly

                  Indexing and ranking are two separate but connected things. If you haven't been indexed, you can't rank in the SERPs. The indexing is like getting listed in the phone book. If a page or GoArticle of yours hasn't been indexed, hit it with all of the bookmarklets in an earlier post of mine on this thread, make RSS feeds as per this post and hammer them out there, create a quick powerpoint video and blast it through tubemogul with your links etc.

                  Just keep bookmarking though and don't give up (or keep your elance outsourcer going!). One site of mine refused to even be seen in the top 200 of Google results for 3 months but I kept at it. Then one day it was at #12, then #5 and soon after #1, knocking out some heavyweights in the process. If you have a portfolio of sites that you are developing backlink-wise, you'll be less frustrated with the slow progress or no progress of some of them.

                  Is it ok to build, let's say, 40 backlinks a day and then rest for some time? It's much more convenient to build 100 in one day on a week than 10 a day. Does it matter to google? I ask because apparently Google can't find all backlinks at once thus it can not think it is spam.

                  The wisdom is to build progressively but I haven't tested that conclusively. What I can tell you is that if you completely stop building backlinks for a site, it will probably start drifting downwards (unless it has some amazing backlinks!). I'm seeing that right now on some of my sites that I haven't backlinked for a while because I'm doing stuff on this experiment - actually the real problem is that I have too many bloody sites in my portfolio dammit!

                  Google may not acknowledge a site's backlinks very fast (or ever!) but they do seem to be 'seen'. Bottom line though James is that if any of these looked suspicious to Google and your site was hammered, every shonky hustler on the net would be using those tactics against their rivals!

                  Just keep going at it and you will make progress! Hope that helps and ask, ask, ask James if you need more clarification. I will be doing screen grabs of an elance outsourcing job soon. Promise.

                  If I missed anyone, please fire your question in again.

                  We're 2 weeks into the 8 weeks and, according to GoogleGlobal, Article 1 is currently at #5 on Google USA.

                  We have 32 hops at the moment with no sales but it's all in motion...

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                  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
                    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


                    OK, before I answer a few questions, I wanted to revisit the whole converting an HTML or other type of page that DOESN'T have an RSS feed into one.

                    If you recall, I had recommended WebDev's tool BUT their RSS feeds were NOT validating. Whoops!

                    BUT, I have found one and checked it out (couldn't get Pete Drew's to work but thanks for the tip!). The benefit of doing this is to give your pages that don't come with their own feed, an RSS feed that you can hit:

                    FeedAgg
                    FeedAge
                    FeedBurner
                    Autopinger
                    Pingomatic
                    MillionRSS
                    and
                    RSSBot

                    e.g. you might have GoArticles, Amazon pages, a static HTML site of your own, an RSS-feedless Web 2.0 property (not many but still some) etc and want to give it extra exposure and link juice through an RSS blitz.

                    The site to visit is Feedage.com - Convert HTML 2 RSS

                    and here are the steps:

                    Step 1:


                    Step 2:


                    Step 3:


                    Step 4:


                    Step 5:


                    Blast it out to the RSS services I mentioned above. In case you couldn't read that RSS Validator URL (there are plenty of 'em out there), its: W3C Feed Validation Service, for Atom and RSS
                    Thanks for pointing out this useful service.
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          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Oh and if you think this thread is valuable, why not Rate This Thread highly up above in the WF toolbar?
          I just read this entire post in one sitting and now I have a headache. I think I will have to read it many times to get a grasp on the entire scope of your project.

          WR newbie here so I have to ask a question. Whats SB101?

          Gary
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  • Profile picture of the author Rendix
    Terry,

    One comparison I would like to see at the end of your analysis is a comparison between googles exact traffic projection and your actual incoming traffic. Also the corresponding SERPS placement for those sites.

    Best of luck to you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Excellent idea Rendix and I know some Warriors run a 24 hour Adwords test on impressions to try to get a true picture of traffic given the apparent unreliability of the usual reporting tools.

      In my setup for this experiment, the difference in reported numbers in both the Google Keyword Tool and Keyword Elite was crazy on some terms (both exact match)!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        OK, 3rd article live on GA now so I can move on with the 'getting indexed' stage - AFTER I entertain some visitors for lunch, dammit!

        Oh and I'll do all the screen grabs of my WP setup later today too...
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Final update for the day - RSS fed all the sites as per the above method and - thanks to the brilliant Google Alerts - the first RSS service to show up with one of the new articles was...(drum roll)

          MillionRSS (from RSSBot)

          Weird huh?

          However, even though the Googlebots have 'seen' my feed there, none of the 4 test sites has been indexed yet; this can easily be checked by putting the whole URL into a Google search.

          If you get this message:

          "Your search - http://www.mydomain dot com - did not match any documents.

          Suggestions:

          Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
          Try different keywords.
          Try more general keywords."

          You ain't been indexed yet.

          I had also ordered an article rewrite with Human Rewriter (with all of the settings turned up to 11 for Spinal Tap fans) for the SENuke attack on Article 3.

          With spinner text export on 4 out of the 5 rewrites finished (with 3 word spins per sentence and 2 spin options per word - the most you can request), the spinner copy delivered a 49% originality for 16 articles according to SENuke's uniqueness test. That sounds nice for a link wheel!

          When I have the version with 5 rewrites, I can hit my first link wheel for Article 3.

          From Monday on, I'll be doing the planned backlinking on Article 1 (IRRELEVANT backlinks only, minimum PR5) and Article 2 (RELEVANT backlinks only, minimum PR5) and hopefully they'll all be backlinked by then.

          I've been light on detail today as Saturday's a bit crazy around our place with people dropping by etc etc but tomorrow it will be back to details and plenty of screen grab pics...
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      • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Excellent idea Rendix and I know some Warriors run a 24 hour Adwords test on impressions to try to get a true picture of traffic given the apparent unreliability of the usual reporting tools.

        In my setup for this experiment, the difference in reported numbers in both the Google Keyword Tool and Keyword Elite was crazy on some terms (both exact match)!
        The problem with the 24 hr test is that unless Google has ramped your account way up, the chances of your ad showing up on each search for the term is very small. Go to Google, type in a phrase, watch the ads closely, then hit refresh a few times and watch how things change. Some people show up some of the time, some rarely, and others nearly all the time.

        I don't see how you could guarantee a proper estimation using that method...
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        • Profile picture of the author vicone
          This looks like a very interesting study. It's a pity that other back linking services couldn't be included for comparison (such as Link Juicer) but I know that you've got to draw the line somewhere or it would become too unwieldy.

          I'll keep an eye on your progress and look forward to you reports.

          Ivan
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Tuesday 29 September Update:

            OK, let me answer some posts first:

            Originally Posted by GIahGroup View Post

            I am in the process of doing the something similar but using fresh just reg'd domains, only I am using similar / comparitive tools.

            My tools being used are:

            1. Senuke
            2. Thelinkjuicer
            3. Linking loophole by P Drew
            4. Video marketing using Traffic Geyser

            I'm targeting very competive terms too (88,000,000 broad match & 22k searches / mth on G with exact match) its huge competition but I guess too many people traget smaller niches so I want the sites to rank well all that ecommerce shopping at Christmas.

            My market is Nintendo Wii's, which is hot but very competitive so I appreciate your steps being outlined here which hopefully might save me some time.
            Sounds like a powerful combo GIG!

            Why not add your results in here too? For newbies following here, GIGs tools do cost a bit (which is fine if you're getting the income) e.g.

            I think the rates are: SEN lite $67 a month, SEN Pro (the one being used for this experiment) $127 a month, Linkjuicer $37 a month (I think), fellow Australian Pete Drew's Linking Loophole $X a month (I have no idea on that one, someone else can post how much it is) and I think that Traffic Geyser is $100+ a month. It can add up but if you're getting results, it's pennies, relatively speaking.

            The other thing GIG is to monitor which one is the most effective. If they are all running at the same time, it can be tricky to identify the most effective. Would love to see your method and thinking posted here!

            Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

            I'm sorta feeling left out Terry

            You mention every other backlinking appoeach BUT ....
            If it's any consolation Steve, you are aff linked in my WSO!

            Originally Posted by disi View Post

            This one will be sold for $10
            All free, free, free here Disi! I'll get my reward in heaven (possibly).

            Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

            Are you also tracking the amount of traffic each site / article is receiving as well? I don't deal with goarticles so I'm not even sure if you can do that.

            Aside from the obvious goals of search engine rank and income, I'm curious how the different methods work when it comes to raw traffic. If wordpress has any benefits over a single page article since it has a larger footprint of content that can be found through your index page, archive pages and actual post page.
            Great questions Jason and some of the ones that this experiment seeks to answer. This morning I had accumulated a total of 36 "Requests" (GoArticles term for views I believe) for Articles 1 and 3 (weird that they had the same number) while #2 had 19 Views. That's all traffic INSIDE GA though Article 1 and 2 are currently sitting around position #13 or #14 on page 2 of Google for their respective terms.

            Here's the latest Hops-Tracking ID Report from Clickbank:


            Originally Posted by JonathanBoettcher View Post

            The problem with the 24 hr test is that unless Google has ramped your account way up, the chances of your ad showing up on each search for the term is very small. Go to Google, type in a phrase, watch the ads closely, then hit refresh a few times and watch how things change. Some people show up some of the time, some rarely, and others nearly all the time.

            I don't see how you could guarantee a proper estimation using that method...
            Spot on Jonathan - you are dead right. I have never used this method myself and in the past I blew loads of money on PPC and they do rotate the ads with each Refresh/Reload. Would love to hear Jeremy Kelsall's/Don's thoughts here on it!

            Let me also just quickly share one good PPC tip I used to use (I am on an all organic Google diet these days!): In AdWords, in theory, you can't use phrases like 'Click Here' Right? Well in fact you CAN add this and other calls to action in one spot: after a forward slash on your display URL (as long as your display URL matches the link URL, it is fine) and Google doesn't care if you don't have a sub-folder called that e.g. Display URL mydomain dot com/ClickHere e.g. mydomain dot com/BuyNow (it has to be all joined up with no spaces but capitals make the differentiation between words easy). Hope that helps ya!

            Back to Business here:

            Given the obvious inaccuracy of search volume estimation tools (check out the number of "I'm #1 on Google but only get 3 visitors a day when it should be 150" threads on WF), my own imperfect approach is to overestimate i.e. go after a higher number in the search estimators (though I haven't done that in this experiment to be honest) than you think you will get.

            Yes that does mean that many terms will be more competitive but doing the work to get ranking at #1 and then finding little traffic would be annoying to say the least.

            Originally Posted by vicone View Post

            This looks like a very interesting study. It's a pity that other back linking services couldn't be included for comparison (such as Link Juicer) but I know that you've got to draw the line somewhere or it would become too unwieldy.

            I'll keep an eye on your progress and look forward to you reports.

            Ivan
            There will be a few surprises by the end of this experiment Ivan so stay tuned...

            Other Important Developments:

            1. Despite going other through the same 'index me Google!" process as Articles 1 and 2 (remember, they're on Page 2 of Google for their respective terms now sitting around position 13-14), Article 3 still ain't backlinked.

            2. I did a big bunch of screen grabs on creating RSS feeds for any page on the Web with this service

            WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner

            BUT

            the sample link failed RSS validation on several services! In short, do NOT use this service without validating your created feed. I will look around for other sites that offer this service and post screen grabs of the setup there.

            3. The new website (Test 4) is indexed but not appearing in SERPs yet. GoArticles has natural ranking power so let's see how SB101 is faring in a few weeks when that site has loads of social bookmark backlinks.

            4. I get a lot of emails about outsourcing so I will set up a small job on elance later in the week and screen-grab document each step. It's pretty straightforward and elance is well run but using any new service for the first time can be slightly nervy for a newbie.

            Personally, I regard outsourcing as an ESSENTIAL practice in an IM business. When I began, I stupidly resisted it for a while but was blown away by the low prices and speed when I did get into it!

            For the record, I pay US$25 per 50 backlinked profiles created with photo upload (I provide the photo), bio paragraph copied and pasted in (that I provide) and email verification/validation done by them. I do this through an outsourcer on elance.com.

            I go to that extra trouble to give my profile (hopefully) the appearance of legitimacy and therefore the backlink/s a better chance of not being deleted by a vigilant moderator/webmaster.

            5. I have just had my first digital product approved by ClickBank for sale through them. In theory, I am now a ClickBank vendor and not 'just' an affiliate. It's the publicly priced version of my WSO in my sig file. It should all be live in a few days.

            The reason I mention this here is not just a shameless call for affiliate partners but also if you are considering joining CB as a vendor and want to know how it's done, I can document my process as a CB vendor too in this thread if there is interest here to do so.

            In your own IM journey, developing your own products is pretty important to long term profitability - in my humble opinion - so getting more info from this thread about being a CB vendor could be useful to you too.

            Let me know what you think...

            6. I got this email from SENuke today so more delays there (I will extend the experiment if necessary):

            Hi terry,

            As you might or might not be aware, the SEnuke servers were under attack by hackers three separate times this past weekend.

            Only a few people were affected by it because it happened on a weekend and the problem was resolved within a couple of hours.

            However, we had to do a complete restore of the server from backup, so almost a whole day's worth of data was lost (Sept 27th).

            Most people receiving this email will not be affected by this data loss, but if you were active on the SEnuke website on Sept 27th, we might not have received your correspondence.

            If you signed up for a new SEnuke account or upgraded your existing account on that date, you might have to send us a message at the Help Desk (by logging into SEnuke SEO Software,SEO software,search engine optimization) again if your account doesn't seem to be working. This also applies to any help desk tickets or forum posts you might have made.

            Moreover, fixing all the issues that these attacks caused took up valuable hours that we wanted to devote to putting out the next update.

            As a result, the next SEnuke update will be delayed by 24-48 hours.

            Probably closer to 24 hours but it could take up to 48 hours.

            An email will be sent out to everyone once the update is released.

            We thank you for your patience, and sincerely apologize for any problems this may have caused you.

            We are working with our security team to make sure this never happens again.

            To your success,
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    • Profile picture of the author itcoll
      Originally Posted by Rendix View Post

      Terry,

      One comparison I would like to see at the end of your analysis is a comparison between googles exact traffic projection and your actual incoming traffic. Also the corresponding SERPS placement for those sites.

      Best of luck to you!
      this is exactly what i need to.Thanks for letting Terry know that,Rendix.Bookmarked this thread Terry.Thanks for starting such a cool experiment.I have found jumptags to be better for indexing.you may try that:
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    • Profile picture of the author ruxi
      Brilliant idea. thanks for sharing. looking for result
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    • Profile picture of the author agrable
      Perhaps the most important aspect of your "experiment", which I appreciate from a scientific view, is the use of a "wildcard" element. Keeps it honest.
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      • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
        Originally Posted by agrable View Post

        Perhaps the most important aspect of your "experiment", which I appreciate from a scientific view, is the use of a "wildcard" element. Keeps it honest.
        Value added from somebody with 5 posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Srilaxmi2009im
      Hi
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      good
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post


        The fact is, this experiment did not produce a large enough population of actual results to support a solid conclusion. Counting backlinks in site explorer or counting clickbank hops or view counts or randomly checking the search engines for your articles is not as solid as actual "sales". What solid, tangible results are there that support any conclusion at all?

        I am not here to throw stones or trash talk anyone. I too am a newbie and I am here to learn. All I am doing is making a challenge in an attempt to make an objective decision about the claims being made.
        Yes there is tangible results, the rankings and how stable they were, that was what the test was about. Sales have more factors involved other than ranking. He intentionally spread the test out over 60 days as its well known how rankings can fluctuate so this was a way to try and see medium term how a particular ranking tactic worked out.

        He could have made the same test with no clickbank offers and it would have been just as valid from a ranking point of view.

        Once ranked then selling type of variables can be introduced to see how they affect sales.
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      • Profile picture of the author dbperry
        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        The fact is, this experiment did not produce a large enough population of actual results to support a solid conclusion. Counting backlinks in site explorer or counting clickbank hops or view counts or randomly checking the search engines for your articles is not as solid as actual "sales". What solid, tangible results are there that support any conclusion at all?
        It would be virtually impossible to create a "scientific experiment" in a situation such as this that is so fluid and unpredictable. If you expect "solid" results then I don't think you understand the nature of the beast. ... The Google Monster that is.

        In fact, the real value in this 60 day Backlink Experiment was being able to look over the shoulder of an expert while he navigated the day to day problems that presented themselves. It was also very informative to hear from everyone on the thread as they commented and picked the process apart.

        Many thanks to everyone for making this "experiment" into a real live laboratory.
        -DP
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    • Profile picture of the author ap09.com
      I am really excited about the results.Please let us know the updates.
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    • Profile picture of the author Leads4Builders
      Terry,

      I just discovered your thread and I love it. I have too much A.D.D to read the entire thread to find out what happened, so I was wondering if you could share your findings. What was the result of your 60 day experiment?

      I appreciate you starting this awesome thread, and am looking forward to hearing your results
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      • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
        Originally Posted by Leads4Builders View Post

        Terry,

        I just discovered your thread and I love it. I have too much A.D.D to read the entire thread to find out what happened, so I was wondering if you could share your findings. What was the result of your 60 day experiment?

        I appreciate you starting this awesome thread, and am looking forward to hearing your results

        I hope you don't expect that for free. Are you kidding me?? I suppose he could do it in a WSO or something, but I would rather read the thread and gather information from not only Terry, but the others as well!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mrsparrow
          Hi everybody,

          Long time watcher, first time poster here (would have linked the smiley but this is my 3rd post so I'm not allowed to do that yet)

          As I was going along with this really awesome thread (thanks Terry!), I decided to write two articles for one of my niches and backlink them with at least 10 links per day until they reach the first page. One article is at GOA and the other one at EZA.

          I've been backlinking for a while now and the GOA article starts to show up links both in yahoo site explorer and seo spyglass and has even been indexed in Google somewhere on page 8 for my chosen keyword.

          But the EZA article shows up absolutely nothing in spy glass and yahoo site explorer can't even identify it as being an actual url, it completely refuses to acknowledge that my article even exists. Not to mention that it's nowhere in Google's sight.

          Intrigued, I did a research on other EZA articles (not written by myself) and I could not find any backlinks what-so-ever using spyglass. I'm beginning to think that EZA does not allow or does not recognize links for it's articles.

          Did anybody have any success with backlinking EZA articles? I'm new at IM, so maybe I missed something along the way.

          I just want to know if I should continue backlinking the EZA article, or if I should drop it and focus on something else.

          Thanks

          PS: Terry, you made a great job with this thread...I already want to buy your next WSO without even knowing what it's about :p
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          • Profile picture of the author medway
            ezine has no control over backlinks, most people dont bother with them but there are some who do, youll just need to keep looking if you want to see that.

            it also depends on how you check for backlinks. if i look at the seobook toolbar it might show 0 but if I click the backlink button then it will load up yahoo explorer and ill see some links in cases.

            if youre not showing up or even on page 8 it sounds like a combination of not being optimized and perhaps too competitive of a niche. Also make sure the phrase shows up enough. I'm in a similar situation with an ezine article at #74 even though the competition is only about 10k competing pages. Ive only got my phrase once in the article. I'm going to make appear a few time times and see what happens.
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            • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
              MrSparrow

              This might be an obvious question but has your EZ article actually been indexed yet?
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              • Profile picture of the author Mrsparrow
                Originally Posted by L Wilson View Post

                MrSparrow

                This might be an obvious question but has your EZ article actually been indexed yet?
                Yeah, it's indexed! It's actually ranking #1 for the exact title, but nobody searches that exact phrase. The keywords I'm aiming for, make half of the entire title length.

                If my backlinking would do it's job I"m sure I'd get ranked after a while, I just don't know if I should keep doing it or not.
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                • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
                  Originally Posted by Mrsparrow View Post

                  Yeah, it's indexed! It's actually ranking #1 for the exact title, but nobody searches that exact phrase. The keywords I'm aiming for, make half of the entire title length.

                  If my backlinking would do it's job I"m sure I'd get ranked after a while, I just don't know if I should keep doing it or not.
                  Interesting. I just picked out about ten random EZ articles, all at least a few months old and found the same result as you. I also picked the subject of backlinks for more likelihood they would be linked to. Unless the search engines have EZA blocked for some reason, seems odd though unless backlinking backlinks just isn't very common among EZA authors.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

                    SE placement should always be your first priority.
                    Spot on Jason.

                    I'm finally back from holidays in Northern Ireland - chilly climate, very warm people by the way - so back to the business of backlinks.

                    With all the discussion coming up about EZA, two quick points:

                    [1] EZA has its own forum (here) so if you are just after a backlink from them (why?), that seems like a much easier option to me;

                    [2] Warrior Mario Brown has just put out a BH tactical guide on EZA which I bought and read (it's here) but haven't yet implemented (holidays get in the way of important things, huh!).

                    Clever, clever stuff but BH.

                    Mario seems like a pretty smart operator so I'll be watching his stuff a lot more closely in 2010.

                    OK, let's catch up...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

                      Well just to add a little more value to this thread I'm experimenting with a blogging software that automates leaving comments. I'll post my results over the next few weeks.

                      Terry,
                      Do you have any experience with this type of software?
                      Sounds like Scrapebox Bruce which I've been using for other functions but not that one - yet.

                      In the current IM market, it's now tactical overload as much as info overload!

                      Keep us posted huh?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                        Originally Posted by Mrsparrow View Post

                        Hi everybody,

                        Long time watcher, first time poster here (would have linked the smiley but this is my 3rd post so I'm not allowed to do that yet)

                        As I was going along with this really awesome thread (thanks Terry!), I decided to write two articles for one of my niches and backlink them with at least 10 links per day until they reach the first page. One article is at GOA and the other one at EZA.

                        I've been backlinking for a while now and the GOA article starts to show up links both in yahoo site explorer and seo spyglass and has even been indexed in Google somewhere on page 8 for my chosen keyword.

                        But the EZA article shows up absolutely nothing in spy glass and yahoo site explorer can't even identify it as being an actual url, it completely refuses to acknowledge that my article even exists. Not to mention that it's nowhere in Google's sight.

                        Intrigued, I did a research on other EZA articles (not written by myself) and I could not find any backlinks what-so-ever using spyglass. I'm beginning to think that EZA does not allow or does not recognize links for it's articles.

                        Did anybody have any success with backlinking EZA articles? I'm new at IM, so maybe I missed something along the way.

                        I just want to know if I should continue backlinking the EZA article, or if I should drop it and focus on something else.

                        Thanks

                        PS: Terry, you made a great job with this thread...I already want to buy your next WSO without even knowing what it's about :p
                        Hi everybody,

                        Long time watcher, first time poster here (would have linked the smiley but this is my 3rd post so I'm not allowed to do that yet)


                        Welcome! Yep - link those smileys when you can!

                        As I was going along with this really awesome thread (thanks Terry!), I decided to write two articles for one of my niches and backlink them with at least 10 links per day until they reach the first page. One article is at GOA and the other one at EZA.

                        Cool. Don't forget that the tastes of Google aren't static and sites like ArticlesBase, TheFreelibrary.com, Zimbio and LiveJournal are also working at the moment. I've always found EZA articles much less responsive to backlinks than GA BUT even though EZA's page is smothered with AdSense and GA lets you stick affiliate links everywhere, many Warriors argue that EZA delivers much better conversions.

                        What is also good about the strategy here MrSparrow is that both of those articles should eventually be on Page 1 and your domination of that Page 1 keyword can really begin. Then add other properties if you are getting a return from that keyword - prlog.org press release, WF blog post, YT video, Metacafe video (same as YT video but edited to slightly different length via 20 seconds of black at the end of vid 1 trimmed to 10 seconds on vid 2 - URL burned into both), Zimbio etc etc - each will need backlinks of course.

                        ArticlesBase now also let you add an image to your article which is a nice touch and if anyone has ArticlesBase articles up right now, consider adding a stock photo to it.

                        I've been backlinking for a while now and the GOA article starts to show up links both in yahoo site explorer and seo spyglass and has even been indexed in Google somewhere on page 8 for my chosen keyword.

                        But the EZA article shows up absolutely nothing in spy glass and yahoo site explorer can't even identify it as being an actual url, it completely refuses to acknowledge that my article even exists. Not to mention that it's nowhere in Google's sight.


                        Backlinks influence SERPs LONG before they appear in backlink reporting tools (many never will). Just watch your rankings, not reported backlinks and keep building 'em. In fact, Matt Cutts states that for your own websites tracked in Google Webmaster Tools that Google will show you ALL of the backlinks to your site but I have never found that to be the case.

                        Intrigued, I did a research on other EZA articles (not written by myself) and I could not find any backlinks what-so-ever using spyglass. I'm beginning to think that EZA does not allow or does not recognize links for it's articles.

                        Backlinks come from other sites linking TO EZA so they have no control over that factor. See above for more explanation.

                        Did anybody have any success with backlinking EZA articles? I'm new at IM, so maybe I missed something along the way.

                        Many many EZA articles rank highly and at #1. Ignore your own sites PR, ignore reported backlinks - unless you're harvesting potential sites from your competitors and focus only on SE rankings which consistent backlinking will deliver - 3 months is a reasonable timetable of expectations for high-ish rankings IF your SEO fights are winnable.

                        I just want to know if I should continue backlinking the EZA article, or if I should drop it and focus on something else.

                        Don't drop it! Keep at it be patient and remember that backlinking is virtually all you have to influence your Google rankings (there are other options - sort of - like Linkvana, but that is just paying other people to build backlinks for you too!).

                        Good luck!
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                      • Profile picture of the author turbohips
                        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                        Sounds like Scrapebox Bruce which I've been using for other functions but not that one - yet.

                        In the current IM market, it's now tactical overload as much as info overload!

                        Keep us posted huh?

                        Hey man you're starting to freak me out. Are you looking over my shoulder? How the heck did you know what software I just purchased? There are a few others out there but you're right Scrapebox looked the best. So far I'm building links with it and have completed one full run on one domain. I'll start working on multiple domains with using different types of blog platforms to see which works best. I'll later check to see how many of them stick and the best approaches to finding/adding more. Now get out of my house already
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                        • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
                          @Terry - thanks for the reply.

                          @Mrsparrow - I think site explorer doesn't like the EZA search string, notice that it chops the query after you have hit the search button. Looks like a thumbs up for spyglass!
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                  • Profile picture of the author medway
                    Originally Posted by L Wilson View Post

                    Interesting. I just picked out about ten random EZ articles, all at least a few months old and found the same result as you. I also picked the subject of backlinks for more likelihood they would be linked to. Unless the search engines have EZA blocked for some reason, seems odd though unless backlinking backlinks just isn't very common among EZA authors.
                    check my post just above for an explanation for this. they probably do have backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author ad18346
      very helpful..thnks.
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  • Profile picture of the author edp78
    Very Nice thread Terry,

    I'll keep watching.
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  • Profile picture of the author jspmedia
    Very interesting..using GoArticle as a LP...really want to see this experience progress.
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  • Profile picture of the author AvidAZ
    Just bookmarked this thread to track the results. This is a great experiment and I'm eager to learn from your data.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big JP
    Good Luck Terry!

    You seem to have a very good plan for this experiment, and everything in place, so I'm confident along with other warriors I'm sure, that you will get some good ROI for your actions, and will be helping yourself and many others for future campaings.

    All the best

    JP
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    • Profile picture of the author moralde
      Originally Posted by Big JP View Post

      Good Luck Terry!

      You seem to have a very good plan for this experiment, and everything in place, so I'm confident along with other warriors I'm sure, that you will get some good ROI for your actions, and will be helping yourself and many others for future campaings.

      All the best

      JP

      I second that. I'll be closely monitoring your progress Terry. This is one good experiment and is definitely going to go well, in any case. In the end, when Terry reveals the best approach, everyone who will try to emulate this will have to take into consideration the karma-effect of 'being able to help other fellow webmasters'.
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  • Profile picture of the author regan
    I think this will be the longest thread that I read ever. Will stay close to see the results. Good job Terry and thank for sharing your experiment with us.
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  • Absolutely superb thread. These forums are full of the same old advice being branded around, based only on what people have read on forums themselves. Nobody ever tests anything. This thread is bookmarked and sure to become famous. Thanks for being good enough to share and not keeping the results to yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Many thanks for the supportive posts!

      OK, here's today's update:

      As per a suggestion above, I ran all 4 URLS through Jumptags and my bookmarklet-heavy Firefox toolbar e.g.


      The sites started turning up in Mister Wong pretty quickly (go figure!) BUT both Digg and Mixx refuse to accept GoArticles submissions.

      However, they will accept submissions from other sites linking to GoArticles so tomorrow I'll hit that too.

      From memory, adding a URL to your WF sig file will get spotted pretty quickly with a Google Alert too (not doing it on my sig for obvious reasons).

      Also today, I created the first 10 IRRELEVANT backlinks to Article 1 from Angela's recent packets BUT I logged the URLs in a Word document so that I can audit those links with one click each week to check whether they've been deleted and I need to replace any e.g.


      It's simple but effective (of course you could do it in Excel too but I personally find that program too unwieldy for simple jobs).

      Once I had the 10 backlink URLs for Article 1 (the IRRELEVANT ones), I created a unique RSS feed over at

      WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner

      and pumped it into RSSBot. However, when I went to also add it in to Feedburner, FeedAgg, they told me that the feed was corrupt so I'll have to recreate that tomorrow and hit it again.

      I will also run each backlink through my full bookmarklet range (see above pic).

      Now, here is my WP custom setup that has worked pretty well for me in the past (remember I would only backlink a keyword-intensive inner post page and not the domain name if I were setting this up normally).

      Plugins:


      My usual set are All-In-One-SEO; Google Sitemaps, Google Analytics, Jeremy and Don's Content Blender (to make posts look more unique) and Ghost Pinger.

      I like the simplicity and direct professionalism of the "Direct Response" Theme from "Happy Joe".

      You can see a sample of it here from one of my other blogs.

      Other important WP steps (sorry if you already know these but I'm spelling out all the steps!):

      Make the Permalinks SEO-Friendly:


      Expand the automatic RSS feed list (list from a great old Tommy Gadget WSO - thanks T!):


      Make sure the privacy default switch is changed so that search engines can find you:


      I also allow only one post per page to [a] improve readability and [b] possibly get more individual pages per site:


      More in the next post, this one is getting kinda long...
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Today's Update - Part 2

        At this stage - Sunday night London UK time - none of the 4 sites has actually been indexed by Google yet though the domain and URLs show up in Google SERPs on the bookmarking sites.

        I screwed up on the good $35 article from Human Rewriter as that was for the new website - Test 4 (the one mainly driven by SB101) so I've started adding a spun article a day to that site (it's the WP blog above).

        I haven't heard from Ken Fry yet about whether my site has been approved for inclusion in the program but will update hear when I find out.

        That leaves me with an article still to spin in Power Article Rewriter for the SENuke trial on Article 3 (linkwheels) and RELEVANT backlinking to do on Article 2.

        My goal by Friday is to have:

        - all sites indexed
        - active in SB101
        - 50 relevant backlinks up for Article 2
        - 50 irrelevant backlinks up for Article 1
        - my first linkwheel for Article 3 up and indexed (from my one brief past experiment with linkwheels, it is important not to assume that beacuse some of the linkwheel sites have been indexed, that the connected ones will be too; Google is funny like that and you may need more action on sites that aren't getting indexed. I would think that a half-indexed linkwheel on the Web is about as useful as a half-finished wheel on a car!).

        Someone asked above about Google Alerts, click here.

        As you see on this image below, enter the exact term you want to be notified about (when G finds a new occurrence of that exact term on the Web) in "inverted commas", change to "as-it-happens" and put your email address in (probably has to be a gmail account) and you will get emailed when Google finds a new mention of that term anywhere:


        More updates tomorrow and all questions are welcome...
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  • Profile picture of the author Focused Action
    This is a great thread, not only am I going to follow it, I am going to duplicate it starting today. I have all of the tools and content articles that you have, so your ACTION has inspired me to step it up. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Terry,

    Have you been using content blender and ghost pinger for some time now or is this a first time?

    They look very powerful but what about results?
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  • Profile picture of the author solderite
    Hey Terry,
    I just wanted to say Thanks for including SB 101 in your research. I know it is a wildcard and does not fit quite like the articles. It was very nice of you to go out of your way to make the extra time and effort to include it in your study. You will be in the rotation Wed.

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Monday Night Update:

      Thanks for the support above and great to see Ken Fry joining in - Ken has said that my new site (Test 4) will be approved and in the SB101 system by Wednesday (Sept 23).

      That's good news and SB101 may be the dark horse to win the race!

      Firstly to Fernando's question: running a proper comparative test on the Content Blender plugin is on my 'To Do' list but I'm trusting Jeremy Kelsall and Don there as their other stuff is really solid (until I get around to it).

      With Ghost Pinger, I put that in the 'it can't hurt' box but isn't essential in my view.

      As of about Midnight Monday night, none of the 4 have yet been indexed and I added the sites to 2 backlink sites that I know from Google Alerts are 'seen' by the bots pretty quickly.

      However, patience is importance and it's where these sites will be in 30/60/90/120 days that really matters.

      Now, this experiment isn't without unexpected twists and turns and two of these landed in my email inbox today.

      Here's one from the SENuke crew:

      Hey guys,

      First of all, our sincerest apologies if you've been getting low success rates with some of the SEnuke modules.

      The last update was over a month ago, and a few sites have changed their submission systems. No update in a whole month is very unlike us (if you've been following us for a while).

      The reason for the delay this time is that we're working on a massive update, and we really can't release things mid-update.

      This update will add about 20 new sites in the social network nuke module. That is our most popular module and we wanted to take it to the next level However, adding sites to this module is not an easy task...

      These 20 new sites will be in PR ranges 6 to 9. This means that now you can press the Start button and have blogs/hubs/wikis/pages created instantly on almost 40 high PR sites like hubpages, blogspot and wetpaint. And most of these links are dofollow! Imagine all the link juice you can get and the massive linkwheels, and blog networks you can create with one click!

      Another reason for the delay is that we're working on making SEnuke fully compatible with IE 8. Making the video module compatible will take some time, but the rest of SEnuke will be fully compatible with IE 8 for the next update.

      Other than that, we're working on a better registration system inside the software, and adding a bunch of member requests.

      All this has taken us longer than we expected and our sincerest apologies for that, but just know that we haven't been sitting around lazily It will be well worth the wait!

      Moreover, work is well underway to create SEnuke from scratch in a completely new technology which will allow for scheduled submissions, background submissions, submissions without using Internet Explorer, and lots of other cool new goodies that members have requested, plus it'll make it a lot more stable.

      So keep your eyes peeled for the next email from us announcing when the update goes live. Should be Monday, Sept. 28th


      To be continued in the next post...
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Monday Night Update II

        So I feel that I should wait until the SENuke upgrade (theoretically) on next Monday in order to give it the best possible chance - even if I need to extend the experiment by another week in November for a fair and final result across the four sites.

        One other detail I wanted to add concerns the hotly debated issue of link density i.e. how many backlinks can you put on a page before you start losing link power (is 'link juice' finite on a page and if a page has 80 outbound backlinks, are those links greatly diminished/worthless?)

        With the backlinks for Article 1 and Article 2, I am only using ONE backlink per page.

        However, when searching for a #1 site's backlinks in my target niche, I found this 'link density' (more like 'link insanity' in some cases as you'll see) for a site ranking at #1 (ahead of Wikipedia) for a reasonably competitive term (not that I use or recommend this measure at all but 4.5 million results without quotes and 3.7 million with quotes).

        Take a look at screen grabs on this site from backlinkwatch.com:






        Out of 542 reported backlinks for this site, the number of pages linking to it with 10 or less outbound links would be less than 15 and many have hundreds of outbound links.

        This is an interesting sub-debate here but this site's success obviously some other factors help such as domain age {it was established in 1996}, on-page SEO, .edu links (only 1 of 542 reported here and no .gov backlinks).

        Interestingly, this specific inner page has a PR5 and the homepage PR7 - even if these links don't look that strong!

        More updates tomorrow and keep the questions and observations coming.

        One we have to discuss is buying intention with certain keywords and how to judge the commercial viability of some keywords and not others - another night perhaps...

        By the way, a tip I mentioned earlier about using SEO Quake INSIDE Yahoo Site Explorer works well BUT page load time is very slow AND Yahoo blocks you if you do it too much (they don't like that data scraping).


        Oh well, still valuable but be aware of those potential drawbacks...
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    uploaded all terry's important posts from sept 14 to 21 in a document file with date and time (till monday night update II )

    hope you find it useful!

    cheers!

    Terry Kyle?s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Sept 14 - 21.zip
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Tuesday Morning:

      Test 4 - the new website with a 2 at the end of the keyword term in the dot com domain (e.g. mydomain2.com) has now been indexed by Google.

      I've also added additional bookmarklets to my Firefox toolbar to help speed up the bookmarking of backlink sites e.g.


      I have also been fixing up my installation of Warrior Big Mike's SocialBot to blast at the backlink sites to help make sure that Google finds them.

      In theory, this new website (Test 4) should be up and getting social bookmarked by others in Ken Fry's SB101 tomorrow.

      The other interesting email I received yesterday was this one from Lemonarian - a linkwheel proponent whose list I'm on:

      Hi everyone...

      Since I discovered the LinkWheel methodology back in February 2009, a lot has changed.

      It's not nearly as effective. When I released the report, it quickly became viral and everyone and their grandmother was doing LinkWheels left and right... a lot of people made money.

      Now, it seems Google's caught on.

      So I recommend you STOP doing perfect wheels and start mixing it up.

      The real power comes from interlinking the web properties. There's nothing magical about the "wheel" structure. That's really just a name.

      The power, as I said, is in interlinking them.

      So mix it up as much as you can at all times.

      Remember not to do reciprocal links.

      In closing, here's an example of how you could "mix it up":

      << CLICK - PICTURE HERE >>

      Also notice that I never "close" a wheel.

      And oh, if you blatantly copy that... well that might not be the best idea, since a couple thousand other people is getting this email.

      MIX IT UP!

      The principle is still valid, just try to leave as little footprints as possible.

      Stay cool,
      Linus


      Food for thought and today relevant backlinks for Test 2 are the order of the day...
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  • Profile picture of the author solderite
    Hey Terry,
    This is just my experience, I have absolutely no proof to back this up. I have found that when I bookmark a blog or static webpage with an RSS feed integrated into the site it gets indexed quick.


    I have made rss feeds for static sites but the RSS is not actually hosted on the page (make sense) then bookmarked them and the indexing is noticeably slower. Like I said I have no documentation to support this, but it seems that sites pinged with RSS implented on them index faster. Hope this makes sense. (I mean my explanation)

    I see no logic why the RSS would talk to each other but it almost seems like they do.

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Wednesday Update:

      Thanks Ken - great to have your input on board.

      I don't claim to be an expert on RSS and have always done it because 'you're supposed to' but I've seen pretty mixed results - the best results for me have been with FeedAgg.

      With this experiment, I have created RSS feeds for the GoArticles too though through this site:

      WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner

      rather than through GA which doen't give individual authors an RSS feed - which EZA does - but rather only has RSS feeds for article categories.

      Things are a little quite at the moment BUT:

      Test 4 - the new website with a WP blog IS in Ken Fry's SB101 program whereby a group of webmasters social bookmark each other's sites with a set range of sites.

      So Test 4 on SB101 is live and running!

      Bookmarking each of Ken's assignments (using bookmarklets) takes no more than 5 minutes and each webmaster is expected to 'do their homework' and social bookmark their 'homework assignment' every few days (about 10 other sites per 'assignment').

      Mainly at the moment I'm backlinking Article 1 and Article 2. Remember that SENuke will roll (hopefully) on Monday when SEN goes through a massive update.

      Each day or so I add a 'new' spun article to Test 4, the new website.

      Still Articles 1, 2 and 3 have not been indexed by Google - only the new website has been so far.

      Interestingly though, each site is returning very different backlink reporting in Yahoo Site Explorer e.g.


      Ladygaga.com is a PR7 site that I use sometimes (used on all 4 test sites here) because Google Alerts picks up new links there very quickly (e.g. under 20 minutes) BUT that doesn't mean that Google will index the linked site/s there!

      I will fire a question to Matt Cutts over on Google's new Webmaster Central area of YouTube which is quite useful for us backlinkers if you 'read between the lines' of his answers there.

      If my question makes it into a YT video there during the life of this experiment, I'll add it to this thread.






      Remember that these sites went through basically the identical process of getting indexed (not quite yet!) by Google and the difference between results on GoArticles above shows that SEO/SEM is not a perfect, predictable science.

      I expect the first week or two of this experiment to be a little light on action but hopefully things will heat up after that, so stay tuned...
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      • Profile picture of the author Big JP
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Wednesday Update:

        I will fire a question to Matt Cutts over on Google's new Webmaster Central area of YouTube which is quite useful for us backlinkers if you 'read between the lines' of his answers there.

        If my question makes it into a YT video there during the life of this experiment, I'll add it to this thread.
        I think that channel is great! and agree it is very usefull for us IM's to be able to get more of an understanding on how these google bots actually work, which is what everyone would love to Know.

        Also Terry, how exactly do you use WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner to make RSS? I couldn't make sense of it :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe118
          Terry, in my experience Yahoo Site Explorer is a few weeks behind on Google. Or at least, the data set they're using is a few weeks older than the one that Google is using to determine ranking.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Quick Thursday night update:

            Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

            Terry, in my experience Yahoo Site Explorer is a few weeks behind on Google. Or at least, the data set they're using is a few weeks older than the one that Google is using to determine ranking.
            That's true Joe - Google will respond to backlinks loooong before they turn up on YSE - which I suspect never shows all of them anyway!

            Originally Posted by Big JP View Post

            how exactly do you use WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner to make RSS? I couldn't make sense of it :confused:
            I'll post step-by-step screen grabs on using this service over the next couple of days Big JP.

            Also, Article 3 has now been indexed - that took almost a week! - though Articles 1 and 2 still have not been indexed yet all three went through the IDENTICAL process outlined above in previous posts.

            IMPORTANT: I've also started work on a top top secret Test 5 (with a completely different approach) and I'll reveal all the details of that much further on - everyone loves a mystery - as I hope that it will solve the problem for all of us when trying to backlink numerous Web 2.0 inner and outer wheel sites of our linkwheels quickly! Fingers crossed.

            Back to backlinking now...
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              OK - quick extra postscript on Thursday night.

              GoArticle 3 has not only been indexed (finally!) after a week but is now sitting at #12 on page 2 of Google for a search term that (if you believe it) the Google Keyword Tool estimates gets 5400 phrase search matches and 2900 exact match searches a month.

              Article 3 is planned to get blitzed with SENuke next week when the new update comes out but hopefully this result - with a few links and social bookmarks to get it indexed - shows the power of GoArticles when it works.

              Now, the bigger questions are:

              - will it retain its position before SENuke kicks in next week or gradually slide downward?

              - is it a buying phrase?

              - does GoArticles convert?

              - does my GoArticle for that phrase convert?

              - does that Clickbank vendor site convert well?

              Let's see...
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    just commenting on some related popular blog's posts, gets my articles indexed faster !
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  • Profile picture of the author GIahGroup
    Awesome thread Terry and very generous of you to outline your steps here.

    I am in the process of doing the something similar but using fresh just reg'd domains, only I am using similar / comparitive tools.

    My tools being used are:

    1. Senuke
    2. Thelinkjuicer
    3. Linking loophole by P Drew
    4. Video marketing using Traffic Geyser

    I'm targeting very competive terms too (88,000,000 broad match & 22k searches / mth on G with exact match) its huge competition but I guess too many people traget smaller niches so I want the sites to rank well all that ecommerce shopping at Christmas.

    My market is Nintendo Wii's, which is hot but very competitive so I appreciate your steps being outlined here which hopefully might save me some time.

    Looking forward to your updates.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      IMPORTANT: I've also started work on a top top secret Test 5 (with a completely different approach) and I'll reveal all the details of that much further on - everyone loves a mystery - as I hope that it will solve the problem for all of us when trying to backlink numerous Web 2.0 inner and outer wheel sites of our linkwheels quickly! Fingers crossed.

      Back to backlinking now...
      Hrmmm .... this sounds familiar.

      I'm sorta feeling left out Terry

      You mention every other backlinking appoeach BUT ....

      Lovin this thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author disi
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Hrmmm .... this sounds familiar.

        I'm sorta feeling left out Terry

        You mention every other backlinking appoeach BUT ....

        Lovin this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Sunday 27 September 2009 Update:

          OK, so we started on Thursday 17 September with these 4 Web properties:

          [1] 500 word article (keyword phrase mentioned 5 times in article) on GoArticles backlinked with 50 weekly IRRELEVANT backlinks from Angela, PJ and my own WSO each week by an outsourcer hired through Elance (I'll go into all that with screen shots in a post soon);

          [2] 500 word article (keyword phrase mentioned 5 times in article) on GoArticles backlinked with 50 weekly IRRELEVANT backlinks;

          [3] 500 word article (keyword phrase mentioned 5 times in article) powered by SENuke linkwheels (with backlinking of linkwheel sites);

          [4] New website with WP blog installed (plugins settings previously detailed in this thread) - keyword phrase as domain name (with a '2' added at the end as original dot com name was unavailable) - powered by Warrior Ken Fry's SB101 program of mutual social bookmarking plus spun posts (spun with Human Rewriter).

          Just from GoArticles' own traffic, some 'tire kicker' traffic has passed through the articles e.g.



          This is a new ClickBank account created just for this experiment. My tracking codes all follow this pattern:

          1/2/3a - Cloaked (via offto dot net) link at top of article/site
          1/2/3b - Cloaked link within article
          1/2/3c - Cloaked link in bio box
          4d - banner ad at bottom of blog post
          4e - banner ad in sidebar

          This allows me to check EXACTLY which links are working (I encourage you to go to the trouble of testing all your links too).

          While the 2 order page impressions from the Analytics pic above might seem positive, they appear to have come from the same visitor to a picture ad on the WP blog (test 4).

          Progress so far:

          Article 1 - Indexed by Google and currently on Page 2 (this may 'disappear' from SERPs temporarily as links are 'seen' by Google - that's totally normal)

          Article 2 - Still not indexed (hurry up Google!)

          Article 3 - Indexed (first of the GoArticles by a couple of days), was at #12 on Google Page 2 for keyword but has currently disappeared. I am waiting for a major update to SENuke before major linkwheel building campaign begins (with Warrior Tome Brite's help) - according to SEN, the upgrade will be out tomorrow (Monday, 28 September).

          Test 4 - Indexed first of all test sites, has been included in SB101 for most of the past week. Outside the top 200 for keyword so far.

          With any backlinking campaign, patience is really important and once a 'tipping point' is reached, progress is usually pretty rapid on Google.

          In my opinion, Google is the only search engine to focus on - I have #1 sites on Yahoo and MSN but the traffic isn't that great. Maybe you've had better luck!

          I'll go heavily into outsourcing in my next posts as I get a lot of PMs and emails about this side of IM.

          Like all this stuff, it's important to just jump in and try it and learn by doing it; that's how I've learned many of my most important findings and skills (plus great WSOs).

          More coming soon...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    Great thread so far Terry, you really are documenting everything which is great!

    Looking forward to seeing the results after you use senuke to blast away at that article.

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  • Profile picture of the author xbokcom
    This is great Terry to follow your experiment. It just show you that the best way to make anything work is test and trial and error till you succeed.

    Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing this with us.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Are you also tracking the amount of traffic each site / article is receiving as well? I don't deal with goarticles so I'm not even sure if you can do that.

    Aside from the obvious goals of search engine rank and income, I'm curious how the different methods work when it comes to raw traffic. If wordpress has any benefits over a single page article since it has a larger footprint of content that can be found through your index page, archive pages and actual post page.
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    • Profile picture of the author udomaki
      Truly awesome post, seriously I check this every day after I get off of my J.O.B. thanks for the hard work!
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    waiting for the results!

    I will definitly learn something from it!
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    • Profile picture of the author dwrglobal
      Try this free service from Mr Brute Force Pete:

      HTML to RSS Feed Creator, easily create rss feeds by Peter Drew

      You can consolidate several URLS to create a single Rss feed URL that you can ping...

      Hope it helps..

      DaNNy

      P.S. Can't wait to see the results.. will be following this thread

      Originally Posted by James Lancaster View Post

      I have some questions:
      How I should build my backlinks? I have no problems building almost unlimited amount of backlinks from various high profile sites and random sites as well, however, some of my goarticles have ranked in the first pages during a week but haven't risen any more. The inner pages of my sites that I built backlinks for along with goarticle ones, haven't been indexed at all or rank very badly. Is it ok to build, let's say, 40 backlinks a day and then rest for some time? It's much more convenient to build 100 in one day on a week than 10 a day. Does it matter to google? I ask because apparently Google can't find all backlinks at once thus it can not think it is spam.

      Also what about submitting batches of backlinks to profile sites by copy-paste method? Won't google catch up that those are the same and same backlinks with no changes?

      Thank you for your answers
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Personally, I regard outsourcing as an ESSENTIAL practice in an IM business. When I began, I stupidly resisted it for a while but was blown away by the low prices and speed when I did get into it!

    For the record, I pay US$25 per 50 backlinked profiles created with photo upload (I provide the photo), bio paragraph copied and pasted in (that I provide) and email verification/validation done by them. I do this through an outsourcer on elance.com.
    thanks for the info, I've been on the fence regarding outsourcing. As I'm sure you know, it's tough to keep up with the constant backlinking ratrace.
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    • Profile picture of the author purelight
      To be honest Terry, even though I recently bought your WSO I don't know a heck of a lot and a bit of what your doing is just going over my head. I would be very interested in the CB process if it doesn't slow the thread down too much with basics for everyone else.
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      • Profile picture of the author w123
        very interesting thread, thanks for the info!
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    Thanks you very much for this insightful post.
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    • Profile picture of the author deedan
      Thanks Terry for posting and sharing this great experiment! Your methodology simply rocks!
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    GoArticles is good for SERP/SEO purposes. But GoArticles doesn't allow traffic statistic.

    If you put an affiliate link into the resource box of an article, how do you find out traffic statistic through the GoArticles?
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  • Profile picture of the author webdaisy
    thanks for sharing this great information
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Very quick update:

      SENuke update complete so I'm busy creating new social accounts for the first linkwheel on Article #2 tomorrow and devouring Warrior Tom Brite's SENuke guide right now.

      Looks like Article 1 has hit Page 1 of Google USA for it's term (according to the GoogleGlobal plugin for Firefox) though a second US results tool I use (Google Ad Preview) - because I'm in London UK - says it's still on Page 2. Weird.

      Remember, Article 1 has the IRRELEVANT backlinks.

      I will answer all the above questions tomorrow when I get the first linkwheel up...

      When the experiment is nearing its conclusion, I will reveal not one, but two, other secret SEO experiments with other methodologies I have also been conducting in this same niche - exciting, huh?
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    That's one thing I've discovered I want with the IM business, lol.

    Considering I can't afford much, and I'm just getting my ball rolling, a time machine would be a fantastic investment.

    (waits...)
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    I'm so excited ..about the results... I'll just follow on this post..
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    What I can tell you is that if you completely stop building backlinks for a site, it will probably start drifting downwards (unless it has some amazing backlinks!).
    Do you run any splogs (spam blogs)?

    I'm not sure if this would make any difference but if you have a few splogs all linking to one of your sites, if they are running on auto pilot and constantly generating new content, each new post is going to create a new backlink. These additional backlinks might not be worth much for SEO but they do provide a constant stream of new backlinks and activity directed at your site.

    Like I said, I'm not sure if this would make any difference or help a site from drifting downwards but it's an idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Do you run any splogs (spam blogs)?

      I'm not sure if this would make any difference but if you have a few splogs all linking to one of your sites, if they are running on auto pilot and constantly generating new content, each new post is going to create a new backlink. These additional backlinks might not be worth much for SEO but they do provide a constant stream of new backlinks and activity directed at your site.

      Like I said, I'm not sure if this would make any difference or help a site from drifting downwards but it's an idea.
      Hi Jason. I don't have any splogs for this experiment nor have I used them myself in the past. Have you had success with that approach?

      There will however be a couple of other approaches to SEO/linkbuilding revealed near the end of this experiment.

      Back to this experiment:

      We are getting into the SENuke phase now.

      Now with the upgraded SEN, in theory you can set up a linkwheel consisting of 34 'spokes' or sites linking to each other and your money site.

      Actually, if you add in USFree Ads and some article directories, it's quite a few more.

      Each site was hit with a spun version of an article of around 39% originality that I created with Warrior Sebastian Kohl's (I think that's his name) Power Article Rewriter.

      There are many of these types of programs available now and of course Human Rewriter too - which I have used for other tests in this experiment.

      If you want to save some money while trying a manual linkwheel approach without SENuke, these are the 34 sites I attempted to set up:

      Hubpages
      (I did Hubpages manually as they only permit 2 links in the article and the rest have 3 links; one to the GoArticle, one to the vendor with a cloaked aff link and one to the next site in the wheel)
      Zimbio
      Wikispaces
      Blogspot
      Wetpaint
      Wordpress.com
      Quizilla
      Knol
      Msn spaces
      Tripod
      Google sites
      Webs.com
      Vox
      Livejournal
      Xanga
      Blog.com
      Ning
      Friendster
      Blogsome
      Jimdo
      Zoho
      Gather.com
      Onsugar
      Blogetery
      Easyjournal
      Nexo
      Atwiki
      Zoomgroups
      Zoomshare
      Insanejournal
      Terapad
      Diaryland
      Thoughts.com
      Sosblog

      However, typical of this process, some sites fail to set up e.g.


      BUT

      once the wheel has been theoretically created, it is extremely important to manually check the integrity of your wheel.

      When I did, I found that Zoho requires a login to view the post so that effectively 'broke' the 'chain'.

      SENuke took about 30 minutes or less to create the wheel and I took maybe another hour checking and changing links so that it worked in a sequence.

      If you recall an earlier post with Lemonarium's thoughts about mixing up the wheel like a 'mesh', that will be a future step (after I chat to Warrior Tom Brite about it).

      Eventually I settled on a wheel of 28 sites and I did not let SENuke ping the sites until the wheel integrity was manually tested.

      I then pinged the new sites through SENuke to:


      However, I also noted the RSS feed URLs of the sites that DO offer RSS e.g.

      Friendster
      Hubpages
      Terapad
      Zimbio
      Wordpress (obviously!)
      LiveJournal
      Tripod
      Blog.com
      Blogsome
      OnSugar
      EasyJournal
      Zoomshare

      As I'm writing this, I've got RSSbot spreading my RSS feeds for those linkwheel 'spoke' sites to help their indexing.

      At the moment, Article 1 and 3 (before the SENuke effect) are both on Page 2 of Google for their respective terms but surprisingly Article 2 has not even been indexed yet and Test 4 has been indexed though not yet appearing in the SERPs. More work needed on Article 2 indexing-wise.

      I checked Test 4's progress with SB101 and this inner-page URL has about 30 social bookmarks each from different accounts across each Web 2.0 property there. Obviously Test 4, the WP site, hasn't reached its Google 'tipping point' yet.

      Here are the latest Analytics from ClickBank:


      That's the latest so far and remember to hit the "Thanks" button on the right below if this thread is proving useful for you.

      More soon...
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    I believe this is one of the best thread in this forum
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    • Profile picture of the author XRay
      Terrry,

      Congrats on the progress you're making with this project.

      About the linkwheel:28 spokes is a sizeable linkwheel. Did you go with a closed or a broken structure? Also, did you focus on just one keyword for your anchor text or did you vary the anchor text with related keywords?

      Looking forward to reading the next update. Keep up the good work.

      Ray
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by Web_Itch View Post

        Hi Terry,

        Nice work. Just a few questions:

        Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit? Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)? Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

        Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

        Lastly just wondering why you choose SB101 as the site alternative?

        Thanks,

        Web Itch
        Hi Web Itch - all good questions and one of the reasons for running this experiment - to help on the detail.

        Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit?

        I used the same email account and password (as much as possible anyway) but SENuke lets you spin the titles of Web 2.0 accounts/titles - I used about 5 variations which was all I could squeeze in there. Each spinner variation contained the keyword phrase intact.

        Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)?

        Yes, I am backlinking them from the above packets to make sure they're indexed and getting some link power. Running a full backlinking campaign on 28 new sites is a pretty big commitment but we'll see.

        Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

        That's what we'll find out. Many SEO experts suggest that relevant links are everything so maybe Article 2 has the advantage. Then again, Test 4 has SB101 behind it!

        Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

        Cloaking links is the perceived wisdom on aff links but you're right, let's question everything here and I'm going to some sub-experiments on the cloaked links.

        Redirection (if you mean, for example, by buying a cheap .info domain, and redirecting to CB vendor) is unnecessary with GoArticles as they allow aff links straight to a CB vendor, unlike EZA which demands a top level domain redirect (if that's still their current policy). Unlike EZA, GA also let's you put as many links INSIDE your article as you want - and they respond to backlinking much faster than EZA articles.

        Originally Posted by XRay View Post

        Terrry,

        Congrats on the progress you're making with this project.

        About the linkwheel:28 spokes is a sizeable linkwheel. Did you go with a closed or a broken structure? Also, did you focus on just one keyword for your anchor text or did you vary the anchor text with related keywords?

        Looking forward to reading the next update. Keep up the good work.

        Ray
        Thanks Ray. The 28 spoke wheel is closed if you mean sequentially connected in one big loop. However, once some indexing is happening of the 'spoke' sites, I'll start randomly 'meshing' cross spokes across the wheel, making sure that I avoid any reciprocal linking.

        I did use spun version of the keyword BUT each version kept the keyword phrase embedded intact within each longer keyword alternative e.g.

        if my target keyword was 'cheap nike shoes', I had variations like 'where to get cheap nike shoes', 'cheap nike shoes in chicago' etc.

        BTW, cheap nike shoes is definitely not the niche I'm in!

        Hope that helps.

        Incidentally, in my 'spare time', I've been studying backlinking systems used successfully by very large companies in VERY competitive niches where they create literally MILLIONS of anchor-texted backlinks a year.

        Yep, millions.

        It's fascinating stuff and blows away any concern about backlinking too fast. I will probably do a WSO on it and something else much more ambitious on it too!
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        • Profile picture of the author Web_Itch
          Hi Terry,

          Thanks for your pronto response. I was thinking of a meta redirection so you don't have to purchase a domain name (where you create a redirection within a file on any of your sites), but cloaking the way you did is easier. Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB? Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

          Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program? I know you're testing it to find that out, I was just curious why you choose that one. Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

          Thanks again,

          Nolan Speers (Web_Itch)
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  • Profile picture of the author Web_Itch
    Hi Terry,

    Nice work. Just a few questions:

    Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit? Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)? Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

    Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

    Lastly just wondering why you choose SB101 as the site alternative?

    Thanks,

    Web Itch
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  • Profile picture of the author teamind
    Fascinating research, Terry. What an amazing mind you have. Will definitely be checking out your backlinks package and following this thread to the end!
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Thanks Terry, You are opening up the world of building backlinks through RSS and web2.0
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  • I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marcel Hartmann
      Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia View Post

      I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.
      An xrumer blast will vary in effectiveness for every use. Different people have different targets; some of the guys on Digital Point will use the same target list for each of their customers, not achieving the potential of the software.
      Also, different article directories will produce different results. Some pages will stay on page 1, others will fall dramatically after 2-3 weeks due to the rapid fall in link velocity. But not all. It's all very interesting stuff. I think the xrumer test is beyond the scope of this experiment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Al Anshori
    thanks for this.
    i will stay and watch this thread and want to know progress and result
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      OK - haven't checked in for a bit with a thousand things to do but here's the latest:

      Article 1

      Article 1 now has about 100 IRRELEVANT backlinks and - according to BOTH the GoogleGlobal Firefox plugin AND Google Ad Preview Tool - is sitting at #4 on Page 1 of Google USA for its keyword term. Ahead of it is an older GoArticle, a .edu page and an about.com sub-page. However, the backlinks to those authority pages (not sites) aren't particularly strong. Article 1 is bringing in the affiliate hops as the screen grab below shows, where I'll talk about conclusions from that table. By the weekend, Article 1 should have about 150 IRRELEVANT backlinks. On face value, the relevancy of backlinks, or lack thereof, doesn't seem to be hurting its ranking.

      One more important point: In terms of link density on the page, the backlink on each of those sites is the ONLY one placed there. Same for Article 2.

      Article 2

      Article 2 has about 100 RELEVANT backlinks but has STILL not been indexed by Google! As such, it cannot appear in the search rankings. However, the Web 2.0 properties that I used to help get it indexed are sprinkled throughout the first 5 pages of Google. I expect those to fall off pretty soon. Could be that the Googlebots don't visit the sites of this (very slightly obscure) niche that often.

      Article 3

      Our 28-spoke linkwheel has been created, has structural integrity and a unique CB Tracking ID for the linkwheel aff links: LWHEEL (you can see it on the pic below). If I get some volume on those, I'll create unique CB Tracking IDs for each of the 28 sites. I have fed the sites that have RSS into RSSBot and through my usual cluster of FeedAgg, FeedAge, Feedburner, Feedraider, Pingomatic, Autopinger and MillionRSS. I have also been social bookmarking a couple of the 'spokes' each day.

      As yet, none of the 28 have been indexed and at the moment, I can't find Article 3 in the top 10 pages of Google USA for its keyword term. I suspect that Google is 'digesting' the new backlinks.

      Test 4

      The new WP-based site is relying on the power of SB101 but even though Web 2.0 bookmarks from other members of SB101 are turning up through the first 10 pages of Google for its term, the site itself isn't - not yet anyways!

      ClickBank Latest Analytics:


      Now some conclusions we could draw so far from these analytics (remember to ignore the sale as that was a test of my cb vendor process):

      [1] Article 1 has had a total 22 hops so far. Only 1 of those came from the Bio Box! Link 1a at the top of the article (before the actual article content) has attracted 9 hops from which 2 have resulted in Order Form impressions on the Vendor site. That sounds pretty promising to me even if there are no sales as yet from that Tracking ID. In contrast, the link WITHIN the article has attracted 12 hops with 0 Order Form impressions! The only hoplink from the Bio Box did NOT result in an order form impression.

      This is part of the reason why I like GoArticles - you can have your aff links wherever you want in the article (the top looks good so far!), an article will go live in under 24 hours, the page isn't as saturated with AdSense as EZA and GA articles respond really well to simple backlinks! Let's see how things progress on this one.

      BTW, my CB Vendor gravity was around 100 so I'm assuming he or she is getting reasonable conversions.

      [2] Article 2 is not ranking on Google so I'm assuming that the 13 hops there are from curious surfers who stumbled across my backlinks on forum profiles etc. As yet, 0 Order Form impressions there. Boo-hoo.

      [3] Article 3 has 13 hops with 0 Order Form impressions so far. That's OK as this one is relying on SENuke which hasn't been on the job that long.

      [4] Test 4 has 7 hops for 2 Order Form impressions though it has no Google SERP help so far, just Web 2.0 bookmarks via SB101.

      [5] So far the Linkwheel from Article 3 has delivered 4 hops with 0 Order Form impressions. Very early days there.

      Other News:

      I have been trying Warrior Steve Hawkins WSO of a semi-automated backlink program and it is very good. It works with a clever right click menu function that allows you to paste in a whole page of information that you have entered or individual boxes that need filling in e.g.


      If you are doing backlinks yourself or just don't want to pay for outsourcing, this is an excellent alternative - you can check out Steve's program in the WSO section here:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...thly-fees.html

      I'll talk more about Steve's program in the days ahead as I use it more but I have found it much more intuitive than say Roboform.

      Also, I want to do an additional test with a new self-hosted WP blog in this niche where all content comes from an original source that is posted into the blog by email automatically. All earnings from this site would be from AdSense only and I have a source of unique content that I will go into later. The problem is that I cannot get my WP blog-by-email to work properly with any plugin or approach. Anybody here cracked this one? Let me know by PM please as it would be an interesting extra experiment in this whole process.

      Now for some correspondence:

      Originally Posted by Web_Itch View Post

      Hi Terry,

      Thanks for your pronto response. I was thinking of a meta redirection so you don't have to purchase a domain name (where you create a redirection within a file on any of your sites), but cloaking the way you did is easier. Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB? Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

      Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program? I know you're testing it to find that out, I was just curious why you choose that one. Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

      Thanks again,

      Nolan Speers (Web_Itch)
      Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB?

      Stay tuned - shocking revelations ahead Nolan!

      Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

      The problem I have with any cloaking is that you have to totally TRUST the integrity of the cloaking mechanism. Plus, would a general public buyer know (or care about) the type of link they are following. Personally, I doubt it and am torn on the 'conventional wisdom' of cloaking. Again, stay tuned for news on that front ahead.

      Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program?...Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

      SB101 has been getting plenty of attention on WF and I wanted to feature a broad range of SEO approaches in this experiment which might answer a lot of questions for us backlinking bandits in one go. Link Juicer is another one getting attention using a similar-ish methodology. Is SB101 the de fact standard? Probably not yet but to be fair, Ken Fry, who is a very decent guy by the way, has not had it running all that long (I don't think) but time will tell and I love the creative ingenuity of things like SB101, LJ etc.

      Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia View Post

      I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.
      Hi PRM. You're pretty generous with my time! Only kidding. I am unfamiliar with xrumer - can you elaborate in this thread - but I have a couple of top secret additional tests going on too (not to mention the autoblog by email that one clever techie reader here will help me with - fingers crossed!).

      Also, from my WSO thread, I did want to quote a post there as I feel it shows exactly the kind of patience and persistence essential for IM success (and life too, probably if that's not too deep):

      Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

      One quick note about automation.

      Although I still subscribe to Angela's and PJ's stuff as well, when I can, I now try to backlink a grouping from the same platform. This speeds up the process immensely. I find 20-25 a good number.

      With Roboform (if you don't already have it, shame on you), and the "fill" command, you can really streamline the process of both signing up and then putting in the links after you register, since the same information will be required at each of the sites in your grouping. In Roboform you can add your own as well. So if it has a "Bio" box, you simply put in "Bio" into Roboform, and then in the following box type in the links that you want. Then you just click on your profile and *poof*, everything is inserted. You can have an endless number of profiles in the pro version of Roboform.

      If you really want to automate the process, I have been playing around with iMacros for the past 24 hours or so. I started with my favorite group of 20 backlinks (i.e., i prefer this platform), and using the iMacros "record" function, I have been able to get it so that after the emails are confirmed, I can sign in, and put all of the necessary backlinks with 100% automation (i.e, I can be drinking a beer in the other room) in under 5 minutes for these 20 sites. It took me a few of hours to set this my first iMacro (and get the hang of the syntax, etc.), but I look it as a long term investment as I can now do this over and over and over.

      Also, I use SENuke, which has a POP email verification function in it, so I simply use that to confirm all of the emails, and it can confirm 25 emails in under minute automatically. There are probably other POP email verification software out there, but for me it is just added functionatlity for SENuke I guess.
      Good work THM...
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      • Profile picture of the author netstarmobile
        Love the thread. I have been following from day one. It's a great opportunity for us newbies to learn from the more experienced guys.
        A couple of quick questions for anyone that wants to answer.

        1. How effective is Xrumor? Has anyone out there used it with success?

        2. I see Terry using RSS feeds, so must they work well for him. What is the most effective way to set up these feed?

        3. How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

        Thanks in advance.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Thanks for all the support! Here's an edited PM to me that I wanted to share:

          Originally Posted by James Lancaster

          Hello, Terry!

          I wanted to know if you could help me out a bit more with some things I am not sure about regarding backlinks.

          I wanted to know how can I get my backlinks indexed faster. Currently it's interesting...some sites I have backlinked don't have any or very few backlinks while others have 1k and more. This is an example:
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          If you check it in yahoo site explorer then you will see lots of backlinks, but I don't have that site ranking at all.

          I wanted to know the approximate time span when I should start seeing results from backlinking and getting targeted visitors from the keyphrase.
          Hi James,

          I checked your site in Backlinkwatch.com and believe I have found the problem.

          On face value, you DO appear to have over 1,000 backlinks to that site BUT the majority of them come from a handful of sites.

          In Google's eyes, in my experience, links from the same site basically only equate to a single 'vote' (backlink-wise) from that site. If we drilled down to how many DIFFERENT sites were backlinking to yours, it wouldn't be many. That's why I bang on so boringly about backlink IP Diversity in my WSO Report!

          If you look at the sites in my sig file, in theory I should be getting the number of posts I have made as separate backlinks to those sites (about 270-odd). However, I know from watching their progress in SEO Tools Rank Checker, that they are not getting anything like that kind of boost. Why? because they are all coming from one site.

          In Google's eyes, true 'authority sites' have a DIVERSE range of sites linking to them and for your site (and some of mine in my sig file) that just isn't there - yet! When you think about it, backlinking is really about making our sites look like true authority sites to Google.

          In short James, keep building DIVERSE site backlinks and you will see progress.

          Now let's look at another one of your questions which everybody asks about - time expectations for backlinking effect.

          If you recall, Article 1 in my experiment is already holding at #4 after just 3 weeks of life and about 100 diverse backlinks.

          However, another one of my sites, one that I've shamefully neglected to be honest, gaspressurewasherhq.com, refused to show up in the SERPs despite 3 months of solid backlinking after it was built earlier this year.

          Then, within a week or two, it hit the highs of page 1 and even #1 for a while. I haven't backlinked it for a while - my site folio is too bloody big! - and it's slipped to page 3 (that's another issue, by the way - the need to maintain backlinking once you get to number one!).

          gaspressurewasherhq.com is not a great site by any strectch - it's all syndicated content - but persistent backlinking on just one term (gas pressure washer - do a search and see what you find) to one inner blog post page got it to #1 in about 4 months.

          I know I could get it back there and probably will but backlinking effect can be fast and dramatic sometimes (#4 in 3 weeks for Article 1 is pretty good but how long will it take to get higher?) or slow and painful.

          The bottom line though James is to be patient - as I was with gaspressurewasherhq.com - and make sure you have a diverse range of sites linking to one site page (think of it as building an 'authority page' rather than site which will drag your whole site into the SERPs).

          With indexing, as this experiment has shown, it's quite a hit-and-miss affair. Articles 1 and 2 went through the same indexing process (outlined in previous posts) and Article 1 was indexed (I think) in just under a week. Article 2 is...let me check...still NOT indexed after 3 weeks! Using the brilliant Google Alerts, you can soon see which sites Google visits quickly.

          In short, use the aformeentioned bookmarklets on your Firefox toolbar (or OnlyWire), SocialBot, RSSBot, a blog post on LadyGaga.com (Google loves this site - G must be a fan of her music!), HTML pasting into pastehtml.com (then bookmark it), a link on a Gumtree/Craigslist ad, my.telegraph.co.uk, ecademy.com etc

          Hope that helps!

          Originally Posted by netstarmobile View Post

          Love the thread. I have been following from day one. It's a great opportunity for us newbies to learn from the more experienced guys.
          A couple of quick questions for anyone that wants to answer.

          1. How effective is Xrumor? Has anyone out there used it with success?

          2. I see Terry using RSS feeds, so must they work well for him. What is the most effective way to set up these feed?

          3. How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

          Thanks in advance.
          Thanks Netstar.

          My mental jury is still out on RSS effectiveness though I find a FeedAgg entry will rank highly for a few days. I mainly do it because 'you're supposed to' but I'm yet to see concrete evidence of its effectiveness - maybe you should run an experiment!

          How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

          Usual outsourcing backlinking services work the same way - manually - so comparing them is down to price, speed and reliability like any business service.

          However, automated tools/services like SENuke and SB101 are what this experiment will test so let's see...
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            • Profile picture of the author Mary Greene
              Terry, I have nominated you for every honor short of Warrior knighthood because of this outstanding thread. Thanks for delivering true value!

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            • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

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              Hi Kyle, I know several others have commented on this before, but I suggest you take a look at TextBroker . com as they have a large pool of writers and on the dozens of times I've used them, they produce good quality on a quick timeframe.

              - Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Innercore
    Hi Terry
    Iam following you from day 1 and Iam a newbie to IM.Basically as a Webdesigner,some part of IM is much easier for me.
    You are giving me tremendous strength when I thought that this field is not for me.I bought items,softwares and various wso's for the sake of learning and evetually earning something from IM.My mind is always thinking something about new even though I haven't finished the old one.So you can say that there is no systematic way to approach till I saw your thread.
    I have seen only one thread with live data(if any other thread is there,just awake me from my sleep)and I can say that proudly --Its only Happens in this forum and proud to be a Warrior.
    Iam doing right now with one niche with the same procedure of you.

    Regarding duplicate content : When the Search engines and article directories think that this is a duplicate content? Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

    Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

    Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

    Finally,if anybody agrees or not(everybody who visited this thread loving these posts )I will put you up in Hall of Fame for driving newbies like me to learn something step by step.
    I wish you goodluck!

    thanks mate for everything
    Fellow Warrior
    JAY
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    I'm very interested in finding out the results on the article with non-relevant links as I'm doing that with great success and also your experiment with the SENuke software. The software looks very interesting but the cost is a tad high for me unless I can find a bunch of clients to justify its use.

    Question for you, I now only am using back links to promote my site. How much more will article writing and submissions increase my rankings?
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      Just when 'er indoors is nagging me to get an early night, I stumble across this gem of a thread. An hour and a half later and I have barely touched the surface. As they say in Star Wars "May Divorce Be With You"

      It was worth staying up for though Terry, fantastic work
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      • Profile picture of the author kira178
        fantastic post and its very usefull for me. Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Answering posts and updating soon - thanks for the support - but I had to share this BRILLIANT insight from the main discussion area of WF:

          Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

          I was looking through the WSO section. I just got hit by such a HUGE realization.

          I think the reason why so many WSO's are successful is because people can ask questions about the product right under the sales letter and the creator can actually reply back to them.

          You can build a really good rapport with your potential customers by doing this.

          Not only does this help the person who asked the question decide whether they want to buy the product, it helps other people who come along and have the same question decide if they want to buy too.

          Not only does this format allow people who have questions to post right below the sales letter, it also allows people who have great things to say about the product to post under the sales letter.

          Think about it, how many people actually go through the trouble of emailing you at your support email to ask a question? Chances are they don't.

          However, if you gave them the option to post the question right there under your sales letter they would probably me more likely to ask it. If you required an email address for comments/questions you could then email them and tell them you answered their comment/question when you do, which would probably bring them back to your sales page.

          Remember multiple exposure to a sales page leads to a better chance of a sale.

          YET, not one sales letter that I know of does this! Can you imagine if you had a regular sales letter and allowed comments/questions to be posted under it?

          Obviously, if it's on your domain you would probably want to moderate those comments/questions. However, this could probably improve your conversions by 300%+

          What do you think?
          What you can learn in this forum is AMAZING!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            OK - Sunday Night Update

            Let's recap and review.

            Bear in mind that one of my main criteria for a successful IM/backlinking approach is CONSISTENT results. Yes, Google can be a variable, somewhat unpredictable thing (e.g. Google Dance) but for us IMers to build long term sustainable businesses, CONSISTENCY is critical, IMHO.

            As great as they are, CPA, WSOs and the like tend to have a finite lifespan. I'd rather 'own' a set of niche keywords for years.

            So let's review our business model for this experiment and the integrity of each component. If a business model is to work, each component needs to be functioning properly and delivering CONSISTENT results.

            Here is a simplified schematic of what we are doing:


            and here are the latest CB Analytics and why I have made certain tactical changes:


            Now so far the CB vendor that I have sent 123 hops to has not yet delivered a sale for us. That seems too high (or low, sales-wise) and today I thus changed all the links across the 4 sites to another CB vendor in exactly the same niche.

            The original CB vendor had a gravity of 90-100 and the new one is roughly double that figure. Let's see how the hops above 123 compare.

            For the record if you don't know, ClickBank 'gravity' is:

            a unique calculation by ClickBank that takes into account the number of different affiliates who earned a commission by promoting this product over the past 8 weeks. Since more recent transactions are given a higher value, this number can give you an idea of what products are "hot" at the moment, in terms of being promoted by many affiliates and making a good number of sales. However, high gravity can also indicate that there will be a lot of competition in promoting this product.

            With 123 hops and no sales, the integrity of the CB vendor's site to convert (mainly GoArticle) traffic meant that the above model did not work. However, it could also be that GA traffic in that niche doesn't convert particularly well.

            In comparison, I have GoArticle traffic in the reverse phone lookup niche converting at roughly 4% (4 sales for every 100 hops) but the gravity of that vendor has been over 600.

            So now we need to watch this new higher-gravity vendor and see how well they convert our traffic.

            Article 1 with close to 150 IRRELEVANT backlinks is holding at about #4 or #5 on Page 1 of Google for its term and brought in 79 of the 123 hops.

            Article 2 presently cannot be found on Google for its term though it has close to 150 RELEVANT links. Why? because it still hasn't been indexed. Results are early but the case FOR irrelevant links being fine looks strong - so far!

            Article 3 is currently Google Dancing around as SENuke's links are found. Following Lemonarium and Tom Brite's advice, I have unlinked my linkwheel so that now it is a bunch of random Web 2.0 sites linking back to the article.

            Site 4 (SB101) still hasn't hit its stride either.

            Hopefully, all of this proves that patience, persistence and the willingness to adapt (rather than giving up, for example) are essential to making progress.

            Even after this experiment has ended, I will persist with these sites until they get to #1. For some of them that might take another 3 or 6 months - it doesn't matter. What does matter is adding another profitable site or property that keeps delivering incoming to my web portfolio. That, I suggest, is the mindset needed to succeed in IM. Off my soapbox now.

            So, lets look at some questions:

            Originally Posted by Jeff Scott View Post

            Hi Kyle, I know several others have commented on this before, but I suggest you take a look at TextBroker . com as they have a large pool of writers and on the dozens of times I've used them, they produce good quality on a quick timeframe.

            - Jeff

            Thanks Jeff. I'm past that stage on this particular experiment but having a Plan B and Plan C on every part of a business model is vital - thanks for sharing J!

            Originally Posted by Innercore View Post

            Hi Terry
            Iam following you from day 1 and Iam a newbie to IM.Basically as a Webdesigner,some part of IM is much easier for me.
            You are giving me tremendous strength when I thought that this field is not for me.I bought items,softwares and various wso's for the sake of learning and evetually earning something from IM.My mind is always thinking something about new even though I haven't finished the old one.So you can say that there is no systematic way to approach till I saw your thread.
            I have seen only one thread with live data(if any other thread is there,just awake me from my sleep)and I can say that proudly --Its only Happens in this forum and proud to be a Warrior.
            Iam doing right now with one niche with the same procedure of you.

            Regarding duplicate content : When the Search engines and article directories think that this is a duplicate content? Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

            Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

            Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

            Finally,if anybody agrees or not(everybody who visited this thread loving these posts )I will put you up in Hall of Fame for driving newbies like me to learn something step by step.
            I wish you goodluck!

            thanks mate for everything
            Fellow Warrior
            JAY
            Hi Jay,

            Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

            30% seems to be an industry average and is what SENuke recommends.

            Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

            I used to really hammer a mass article submission product that was very efficient and fast BUT I never seemed to get much of a rankings hit from it - despite having a bunch of anchor-text backlinks going from them. My own philosophy (everyone has their own and I'm not poo-pooing theirs at all) is to write one good article and backlink the hell out of it rather than writing endless articles and hoping that one somehow sticks.

            Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

            Would love to hear Jeremy and Don's thoughts on this as its their plugin (I've never had a problem with it).

            Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

            I'm very interested in finding out the results on the article with non-relevant links as I'm doing that with great success and also your experiment with the SENuke software. The software looks very interesting but the cost is a tad high for me unless I can find a bunch of clients to justify its use.

            Question for you, I now only am using back links to promote my site. How much more will article writing and submissions increase my rankings?
            Hi TH,

            SENuke IS expensive but hopefully readers here can have a 'test run' of it through this experiment. If it delivers, the price will be inconsequential.

            See above where I have hopefully addressed your other points.

            Originally Posted by broker11 View Post

            Terry, great thread.
            Can you also keep track of or estimate your total time of work invested for each method? If there is a large difference in time required for each test then that may be as important a factor as the results that are produced.
            Thanks.
            I'll try but I've used a LOT of outsourcing and automation here B11. Remind me at the end to add this in to the final verdict if I miss it.

            One more tip: I now use 2 virtual assistants via elance for various jobs and I pay each $3 an hour. That's the kind of value you can get there. I heartily encourage you to get one too! They're great for Web 2.0 account creation, backlinking and any other random repetitive labor that your IM business needs.

            Back to work now and keep those questions coming. Many thanks too for all the support here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Yuds
    Man I love this thread. Thanks so much Terry for doing all this research!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    maybe I missed it... did you drop wordpress from the experiment or was that article 4?
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    Plus I've got some other 'secret stuff' happening too which I'll reveal later...sneaky, huh?
    sounds good
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Hi all,

    I am following this thread since from sept 14, and im here posting all the important posts from Terry till oct 11. Hope you find it useful. I bought his backlink packets and all i can say is, its wonderful. The coolest thing is he has some vital information about using backlink packets in addition to the links.

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/bsj4gwjmgew/Terry Kyle's Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Sept 14 - 21.zip

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/oqh0mkymmhw/Terry Kyle's Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Sept 22 - Oct 11.zip

    Regards,
    Esh
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Hi Terry,

    I have a quick question. Say your keyword targeted for article 1, gets 500 visits a day, since you said your articles are in 3-4 position, they must be getting 200-300 visits, (correct me if i am wrong) you said you are getting 100 hops a day, at means the click through rate of your article is 50% assuming if you get 200 visits from google. My question, should you be getting atleast 1 sales a day, at this rate? And also since you said you moved to a new vendor with double gravity, that must be doable now? Is it statistical or speculation?

    Another question is, though only your articles rank in google US alone, it must be getting less visits, but assuming that only people from major english speaking countries buy anyway, that must not be an issue! Does your article also rank in Google Uk?

    To add a twist to this experiment, can you try adding 4 more articles and building IRRELEVANT backlinks to them? Because this will increase the chance of getting more visits and hopefully sales? (That's just my idea though!)

    Thanks for everything, this thread rocks!

    Best,
    Esh
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Close to the end of Week 4 of our (theoretically) 8 Week experiment and we have...our first sale:


      Remember to ignore that $34.51 sale as that was a test of my other CB vendor account.

      I've obscured the amount to keep the niche secret a little longer - it was twenty something dollars.

      If you recall, after 123 unsuccessful hops, we switched to a DIFFERENT CB vendor in the same niche (though I haven't replaced the linkwheel aff links - yet) with just under double the gravity.

      Here is the latest CB Analytics breakdown in terms of raw hops since the experiment began and Tracking ID breakdown:




      Interestingly, the link proving the most successful is the one at the very top of the article between the headline and the article itself - pity EZA don't allow this! If you don't know what I mean, here is one of my other GA articles in a completely different niche (aff linked to Amazon Associates):


      I have a lot of other GA articles under aliases but that one is under my name.

      While one sale is hardly conclusive evidence, that link was performing the best out of all the links in terms of order form impressions BEFORE the sale.

      Now though the CB vendor we have switched to pays about $9 less per sale than the first one we tried, the fact that CB vendor #1 wasn't converting (for us!) made it pointless to continue there without changing something.

      Incidentally, one of the main arguments AGAINST affiliate marketing is that you are helping to build the long-term list of the vendor who can (potentially) milk that list for years. So, why not have links in your GoArticle to your own Aweber signup page where you capture the prospect on your list BEFORE trying to persuade them on to the CB vendor.

      I haven't tried this approach myself yet but it IS on my 2010 'to do' list (though that is a scarily big list at the moment!).

      Interestingly, all of the heavy lifting is being done by Article 1 at the moment. Article 3 is still only on page 3 of Google and the others aren't in the mix yet.

      But hopefully you can see the potential of having a bunch of these GoArticles ranking well through sustained backlinking for different terms in different niches.

      Now, let's look at a few questions:

      Originally Posted by esh View Post

      Hi Terry,

      I have a quick question. Say your keyword targeted for article 1, gets 500 visits a day, since you said your articles are in 3-4 position, they must be getting 200-300 visits, (correct me if i am wrong) you said you are getting 100 hops a day, at means the click through rate of your article is 50% assuming if you get 200 visits from google. My question, should you be getting atleast 1 sales a day, at this rate? And also since you said you moved to a new vendor with double gravity, that must be doable now? Is it statistical or speculation?

      Another question is, though only your articles rank in google US alone, it must be getting less visits, but assuming that only people from major english speaking countries buy anyway, that must not be an issue! Does your article also rank in Google Uk?

      To add a twist to this experiment, can you try adding 4 more articles and building IRRELEVANT backlinks to them? Because this will increase the chance of getting more visits and hopefully sales? (That's just my idea though!)

      Thanks for everything, this thread rocks!

      Best,
      Esh
      Hi Esh,

      Hopefully the above screen grabs from the whole experiment clarify the hops/day progress and numbers.

      Google in the UK (where I live, far from my home in Sydney) normally has roughly - give or take a few positions - the same results as Google USA. However Esh, I will report UK results as well in future progress updates.

      Doing an extra 4 articles is not physically possible at the moment BUT am I doing some other secret experiments that I will reveal later.

      Paul has given me permission to post this PM here for everyone's benefit:

      Originally Posted by islander1

      Hi Terry,

      I'm considering getting your package, but I'm kind of a newbie and only want to use it for article marketing-to rank articles at the top of Google that I submit to Go or EZA.

      So far, I've been struggling trying to accomplish this. I write the articles and put about 50 or 60 of Angela and Paul's backlinks on each article (competition less than 300,000 quoted results).

      So far, on 30 articles, I haven't been able to rank any of them in the top 10 of Google. In fact, some of them aren't even indexed by Google yet and it's been over a week since the last ones were submitted.

      Anyway, I'm looking for a solution to what I'm doing and I'd like to know 2 things:

      1. Am I on the right track or is the method I'm using flawed?

      2. Will your package show me some of the things I'm missing which I need to get these articles to the top?

      Maybe it's just a matter of more backlinks per article and more time (patience) plus a few "secret" methods that I may learn in your ebook.

      I'm just trying to figure out if I'm on the right track or not and if your package will help me.

      Thanks in advance for your guidance!

      Take care,

      Paul Lindquist
      IMHO, the 'method' of judging competition by using "in quotes" figures needs to be discarded firstly.

      That would be like judging the strength of competition of a horse race, boxing tournament or yachting regatta simply by the number of competitors.

      What matters is the QUALITY of the competition NOT the number. If you only had ten competing sites and they were all 10 year old authority sites with thousands of backlinks to the page/s you are trying to beat, forget about it.

      As you have hopefully read by now, that Article 1 in this experiment took 150 backlinks and 4 weeks to get a decent ranking and sale.

      Backlinking is a real 'tipping point' activity in my experience - a site can be doing nothing for months sometimes, despite constant backlinking, then one day, it soars. My gaspressurewasherhq.com site previously mentioned was exactly like that.

      The trick Paul is to keep at it with a bunch of GoArticles (30 is way too many, try under 10 to focus on at first) and eventually some/many will get to the top - IF you haven't picked fights with very tough opponents! Plus, make sure the keyword is in your title (preferably at the start) and throw an aff link in at the top of the article as per the pic above.

      With my WSO, I'll let other Warriors reviews of it on my WSO thread speak for its quality.

      IMPORTANT NOTE: Followers of this thread may be aware that I am tinkering with other backlinking and SEO stuff all the time. You can now follow those experiments, discoveries and discussions by dropping in here. It's all free, like this thread too.

      More coming soon and thanks for the above support...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Terry,

        So many of the things that you are saying in this thread about keyword research etc is SO dead on...I'm diggin it.

        Let me know when you get your WSO ready, if you need someone to review it and give a testimonial if it is warranted, let me know.
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        • Profile picture of the author TrafficMystic
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          Terry,

          So many of the things that you are saying in this thread about keyword research etc is SO dead on...I'm diggin it.

          Let me know when you get your WSO ready, if you need someone to review it and give a testimonial if it is warranted, let me know.
          I totally agree on this.. I usually get the numbers and check competition within MS for domain age / dmoz etc.. before trying a niche.. whereas most people don't seem to do enough research in this area and end up wasting time creating sites for niches that are far too competitive...
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          • Profile picture of the author marlon
            Hi,

            I also loved the thread John did about his Adsense work. That thread and this one have to be the 2 best Warrior Threads this year....

            I don't even like seo because I don't have the patience or attention to detail for it. But this is a GREAT thread and your research is absolutely fascinating.

            In fact, I believe this is maybe the best thread I've seen on a forum. I don't go to IM forums a lot....BUT from what I've seen, you really have done a great job here.

            Congratulations on a marvelous contribution to the IM body of knowledge.

            Marlon
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      • Profile picture of the author islander1
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post




        IMHO, the 'method' of judging competition by using "in quotes" figures needs to be discarded firstly.

        That would be like judging the strength of competition of a horse race, boxing tournament or yachting regatta simply by the number of competitors.

        What matters is the QUALITY of the competition NOT the number. If you only had ten competing sites and they were all 10 year old authority sites with thousands of backlinks to the page/s you are trying to beat, forget about it.

        As you have hopefully read by now, that Article 1 in this experiment took 150 backlinks and 4 weeks to get a decent ranking and sale.

        Backlinking is a real 'tipping point' activity in my experience - a site can be doing nothing for months sometimes, despite constant backlinking, then one day, it soars. My gaspressurewasherhq.com site previously mentioned was exactly like that.

        The trick Paul is to keep at it with a bunch of GoArticles (30 is way too many, try under 10 to focus on at first) and eventually some/many will get to the top - IF you haven't picked fights with very tough opponents! Plus, make sure the keyword is in your title (preferably at the start) and throw an aff link in at the top of the article as per the pic above.

        With my WSO, I'll let other Warriors reviews of it on my WSO thread speak for its quality.
        Hi Terry,

        Thanks so much for answering my questions and for this thread. This is EXACTLY the guidance I needed for what I am trying to accomplish.

        Just an update-most of my 30 articles are indexed now and I have an additional 20 online. Your advice makes sense though-I guess I bit off a little more than I could chew.

        I will take my first 10 articles and try your method of adding 50 backlinks a week to each until I reach the top. Then I will move on to another set of 10.

        FYI-I neglected to mention in my question that I did look at the top 10 in each keyword for strength of competition, but I mainly just looked for what kind of domains occupy the top 10-all my keywords had at least 1 or 2 other GO Articles, a Yahoo Answer, Squidoo lens, or some similar domain.

        What I didn't do (cause I don't know how) is find out how many backlinks each of my competitors have and the quality of their backlinks. Do you know of a quick and easy way to do this kind of research?

        Thanks again, this thread is awesome!
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    Terry.

    Man you've inspired me so far

    This is pretty much just a fan message man. Keep up the work!
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    I just wanted to say that this is really one of the best threads ever!

    And thanks for that tidbit about the link at the top of Goarticles - I knew you could put links in the article body but never thought to do it quite that way! Gonna go try that out today!

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  • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
    Hi Terry:

    Some of what your are talking about is over my head and sometimes I feel like giving up because the lingo alone is hard to learn!

    BUT I know I can so I keep at it. Is there a book step by step anywhere? I'm doing a mix of things and then I got myself confused about what I'm doing. I have to sit down this weekend and write out my own steps! That's how confusing it can get. I thank the SEO gods for Snag it! as the pictures help me a lot when I'm reading and learning and going to sites as I do the stuff they ask.

    Thanks for your reveal.
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    Great stuff Terry, thanks for the info, it's already given me a couple of good ideas and got me more excited about IM! As an agency/consultant guy for over a decade, it's difficult to stop doing what I've always done (selling my time) and move to creating revenue from my own sites, but things like this are a real motivator.

    One thing, it may be because my membership hasn't been approved yet, but I can't find the "thanks" button?
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  • Profile picture of the author cmo140
    I am new to this and for the last week I have been spending two hours a day reading up on this. My two questions are You talked about Angela , PJ and yourself in WSO . Where do I find what that means and also you talk about Goarticles and making $100 a day off them. What do you mean by that?
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      Originally Posted by cmo140 View Post

      I am new to this and for the last week I have been spending two hours a day reading up on this. My two questions are You talked about Angela , PJ and yourself in WSO . Where do I find what that means and also you talk about Goarticles and making $100 a day off them. What do you mean by that?
      Hi cmo140,

      Let me take a shot at answering your questions.

      First, the WSOs (Warrior Special Offers) he's talking about are backlink packages sold by Angela, Paul and Terry. Here are links to all 3 threads so you can read up on them:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...of-inside.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

      Second, the idea of making $100 a day from GO Articles is to write and submit articles to goarticles.com (you must sign up first) in niches where there's some desperation like say "get your ex back" for example.

      Each of these articles should have a link to the merchant sales page for the product you are promoting. As this thread suggests (and I didn't realize till reading it), it's good to put one link to the merchant BEFORE the actual article itself.

      Then, you take the backlinks from Angela, PJ, Terry or a combination of the 3 and build backlinks to your GO Articles. These links are from page rank 4 to 9 so they are good quality and enough of them (this depends on keyword and strength of competition but generally 150 to 300 links) should put your GO article to the first page of Google, where your traffic will increase substantially. Repeat this process until your income reaches $100/day.

      The main thing I'm learning as a newbie like yourself is that the process can be frustrating-especially if you haven't proven to yourself yet that you can earn a consistent income with this method. Doubt creeps in and you sometimes feel like the whole thing's not worth it.

      So, it is important to be persistent with ONE method and not jump from one thing to another. If this is the method you choose, just keep at it until you see consistent income and try your best to avoid distractions. Seems to me this is the real key to success in this business.
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      • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
        Originally Posted by islander1 View Post

        Hi cmo140,

        Each of these articles should have a link to the merchant sales page for the product you are promoting. As this thread suggests (and I didn't realize till reading it), it's good to put one link to the merchant BEFORE the actual article itself.

        Then, you take the backlinks from Angela, PJ, Terry or a combination of the 3 and build backlinks to your GO Articles. These links are from page rank 4 to 9 so they are good quality and enough of them (this depends on keyword and strength of competition but generally 150 to 300 links) should put your GO article to the first page of Google, where your traffic will increase substantially. Repeat this process until your income reaches $100/day.

        Exactly

        Totally agree.

        Key is to stick with one method and work it

        because

        Many things actually WORK in internet marketing... but they work only when they are applied consistently.

        HOWEVER

        What I never liked about a business model where you publish articles on other people's sites and then build BACKLINKS to them... you are basically building another people's business (e.g. GoArticles)!

        It makes much more sense to me to build links to my own sites and have some assets, instead of promoting some other site.

        Sure

        (some) backlinking to articles makes a lot of sense and can help

        but I wouldn't spend all my efforts there as a business-model per se.
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        • Profile picture of the author magnusmora
          I see what you are saying about giving away backlinks to the likes of goarticles. However, What about splitting your links in your articles. One could go to an affiliate redirect and the other to your own domain.

          Infact on goarticles, you could have a link at the top, one at the bottom and another in your resource box. You could aim one of these links to your own domain.

          That way if you build links to the articles not only are they moving up in the search rankings, but so is your own domain getting some of the link juice.

          Terry - Whats your view on this?

          Cheers
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Quick base touch while kicking back on the weekend:

            Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

            Hey Terry,

            Great stuff, just found you tonight thanks to Steve hawkins new tool and saw his recommendation for your packets and love your other thread you have going on, too.. needless to say..you took me away from some valuable work time , haha, i needed a break...anyways..

            are you doing anything to get the pages you put your links on to get indexed? that seems to be one of the biggest issues.

            from a small experiement i did a few months ago, i had 240 links from one of the backlink packets and had one of my workers go through each one and find out which are indexed or not.. and only 80 --1/3 of the 240 has in fact been indexed and i had great results with it, too. i got #1 for a competitive kw where i was stuck at #7. i also used 3 links per site and after i got #1 on my main term, i started going after a few other terms.

            i wanted to see what would happen if i could get the rest of these pages indexed so i went out and got a bunch of PLR articles rewritten and then spun and submitted to free traffic and my article network..

            the results, i got up to around 190 pages to get indexed and rankings went through the roof, one of my kws stuck at #20 was #1 and held there for a long time till i ignored it for too long.

            i found firing links at where we have links not can help with indexing but also throws some link juice at it and keeps it from getting deindexed.

            ive had blogger and wordpress blogs no longer in the index after a few months of just sitting there and when i started to throw links at them, they are back indexed.

            curious to know if you do anything like this.

            i also have spot checked a few sites that are part of senuke list that i have used before senuke and went back and see if they were indexed still and i have found out some of these are no longer indexed, some are but some arent. that leads me to continually add content to them and fire links over there, too.

            like to know what you think of this strategy

            thanks,

            chris
            I've asked Chris to share more about his approach here.

            In fact, in the next couple of days I'm going to add another GoArticle in the niche and use FTS to gauge its effectiveness.

            I probably need counselling for my SEO experiment addiction!

            If that doesn't seem fair, I'll continue reporting results after the 'official' deadline of this experiment and thread. I have a feeling that this thread could be around for a while. Let's hope my girlfriend is still nice to me by the time it ends - if it ever does.

            Originally Posted by Preciseim View Post

            Hi Terry,

            IMO it is still worth trying to get your keywords in the domain name...Even if you can't get an exact match at least try and get them in there ...Just me 2 cents
            Yep, I still do it anyway in the absence of calling it anything else...

            Originally Posted by marlon View Post

            Hi,

            Check out:

            internet marketing secrets

            Michael Campbell is #1 with internetmarketingsecrets.com.

            He is #5 or 6 with the term internet marketing strategy using
            internetmarketingstrategy.com.

            Look at:

            fat loss secrets

            thefatlosssecret.com is #1 two and the #1 ranking has keywords also.

            search: "burn the fat"

            burnthefat.com is #1

            burnthefatblog is #2

            search: "guitar secrets"

            guitarsecrets.com is #1

            skateboard secrets

            search: "photoshop secrets"

            photoshopsecret.com is #1

            What I read in the past was that the domain name had a 20% or 30% weight in the Google Algo. James Brausch published that once I believe based on his research of high ranking domains.

            Still, I have no idea the difference between the keywords in the domain vs. just in the file name.

            Marlon
            That's it Marlon. There's plenty of evidence to support AND contradict the importance of keywords-as-domain-name.

            Ultimately, you have to call your domain something so it may as well be the keywords I guess. It does show for experimental pages in a new niche, you can just a hang a page of an existing website and try it out rather than buying and hosting yet another site. Or does it?

            Originally Posted by marlon View Post

            Bro,

            Check out product launch formula in google.

            Search "traffic secrets".

            sales letter generator

            I wish I had time to grab some of those awesome screen caps like you are doing. What I see is LONG TAIL keywords seem to do very well when you register the domain.

            But maybe if you had the keyword in the filename and did a little linking it would be all the same. I DO see the exact domain a lot in slow and mid range searches in the number 1 spot.

            Probably mostly low range.

            IP DIVERSITY

            Look at the backlinks on your BIG sites that get ranked high. They almost always do a sitewide buy of an ad on a high pr domain for the inbound links.

            You DO see these links when you do a backlinkwatch search.

            Why they do this I'm not sure. And does it really help. I'm not sure. But I read this and it seems to be true that the big authority sites buy a sitewide ad buy on other big authority sites.

            But I haven't done anything remotely resembling the research you're doing.

            DIRECTORY SUBMISSIONS?

            What about plain ol' directory submissions and believe it or not submitting to 1000+ search engines like the OLD days? That gives you an ip diversity of inbound links, right?

            Marlon
            Keyword-in-domain?
            See my response elsewhere in this post...

            Sitewide links? Yep I see this in YSE and BLW too but every single time I've had a lot of links from one site, I've failed to see much of a SERP bump from it. Watch out for the free update of my WSO Marlon where I go into mega-backlink building strategies. They CAN be risky but the rewards can also be spectacular.

            Directory submissions? Watch Matt Cutts' embedded video below. In short, Google isn't very keen on them (he'll explain it).

            Originally Posted by JDCopper View Post

            Terry,
            For whatever it is worth, I remember way back in the day before everyone started repeating the same things over and over again (and not always getting them right) that the reason you put your keywords in your domain name was that people have a tendency to link to websites via their name instead of the key words that you hope they would use.

            Thus, a guy linking to preventacnenow.com would unintentionally be linking to your site with the right keywords whereas the same guy linking to doverskinsolutions.com would not. Because of that Google would rank a site with the keywords in the domain name higher.

            Over time, as people re-wrote what they read somewhere else without completely understanding it, it morphed into Google ranks sites with keywords in their domain names higher.

            I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.

            BTW, amazing thread. I start down this path all the time (not publicly) but never end up finding the time to finish it out, so kudos and thanks. Absolutely outstanding idea. (Not to mention shrewd. I'm pretty new here, but I imagine your rep is soaring around here right now. There's nothing quite like PROVING that you know what you are talking about.)
            Well said JD. Also now there have never been more (free) tools to analyse competitors' sites and deconstruct them so testing all of these beliefs has probably never been faster.

            Originally Posted by mikkosant View Post

            Hey terry, great thread I can't wait to see how sb101 turns out. Maybe free traffic system too?

            Anyway, since you have mentioned the reverse cell niche before, you may be aware of this article.

            http://www.g oarti cles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2036995
            sorry don't want them getting a backlink...

            If you type reverse cell phone lookup in google, you will see this goarticle ranking at position 4 or 5. Now, this article was ripped directly off the reversephonedetective's affiliate tools section. It has no real backlinks. Just some strange myspace web search ones. Of course, everyone knows about the other 2 ezinearticles in this niche making a killing, but this guy is using dupe content with no real backlinks and has been ranking halfway down page one for over 10 days. Fresh articles do usually stay at the top of results for a short while and quickly fade away, but in this niche, fresh articles don't get on page 1 without backlinks or so it seems. Usually, new articles stick on page 2-5 for a couple weeks and then die off. Anyway, just looking at what you think this guy could have done. It just doesn't make any sense.
            He's probobly making atleast $50/day with that ranking.

            Welcome To The SEO Conundrum...

            Thanks for this detailed experiment BTW.
            Yep MS, weird. I've actually looked closely at some of those EZA guy's 17000+ backlinks (if it's the one I'm thinking of) and a LOT seem to be from the same sites. One of my 2010 new year's resolutions along with getting better at playing guitar is to knock that guy off in the reverse phone lookup niche (on some other keywords).

            It is weird though the anomaly you mentioned, one of many in SEO!

            See above re: FTS!

            Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

            Dont confuse same site/domain name/url with IP's

            Your example proves domain diversity - not IP diversity [ IMHO ]

            Big Difference, especially in the efficacy and value of the backlinks.

            Much respect and props Terry - this is a tremendous resource thread.

            To your success,

            Steve
            Hi Steve,

            Glad you're here and sharing! Hopefully I did make it clear that I was talking about keywords-in-domain and IP diversity as 2 completely separate things!

            Incidentally I DO recommend Steve's links WSO here because I believe that over-reliance on any one resource can be risky. If PJ and Angela were out of the game tomorrow, it would be inconvenient.

            I also have an aff link to Steve's resource in my WSO report so I must believe in it!

            Originally Posted by yellowboy View Post

            Just stumbled over this thread and all I can say is WOW, great information! Going to let my subscribers know about this. It's perfect timing.

            Thanks for this great experiment, very refreshing thread. Going to follow closely.
            Thank you Mario. Nice work.

            Originally Posted by magnusmora View Post

            I see what you are saying about giving away backlinks to the likes of goarticles. However, What about splitting your links in your articles. One could go to an affiliate redirect and the other to your own domain.

            Infact on goarticles, you could have a link at the top, one at the bottom and another in your resource box. You could aim one of these links to your own domain.

            That way if you build links to the articles not only are they moving up in the search rankings, but so is your own domain getting some of the link juice.

            Terry - Whats your view on this?

            Cheers
            True MM. I could do that and anyone trying GA probably should do that. In a way, this experiment is slightly artificial for testing purposes but that is very good advice.

            If GA change their rules tomorrow or re-introduce those stupid bubble/text ads they trialled a while back (which murdered clickthroughs!), pretty much all backlinking effort would be lost UNLESS you were ALSO using it to add some juice to your own site.

            Originally Posted by RichIsSweet View Post

            Exactly

            Totally agree.

            Key is to stick with one method and work it

            because

            Many things actually WORK in internet marketing... but they work only when they are applied consistently.

            HOWEVER

            What I never liked about a business model where you publish articles on other people's sites and then build BACKLINKS to them... you are basically building another people's business (e.g. GoArticles)!

            It makes much more sense to me to build links to my own sites and have some assets, instead of promoting some other site.

            Sure

            (some) backlinking to articles makes a lot of sense and can help

            but I wouldn't spend all my efforts there as a business-model per se.
            Agreed. When GA ran that bubble ad experiment for a couple of weeks a few months ago, my income from there virtually disappeared.

            Dean Shainin, the 'bum marketing' EZA guy also talks about how for a long time, he submitted ALL of his articles there through ONE account. Then one day, EZA had a hissy fit about one of his articles and disabled ALL of his articles. Instantly all of his backlinking and income were flushed away and (from memory) he never got them re-enabled.

            On GA, I have a ceiling of 10 articles per alias account for that reason.

            Another GA option I mentioned in an earlier post is to only have links in your GA to a list-building AWeber page so that you keep the list and try to drive YOUR list to SEVERAL CB vendors in relevant niche/s.

            I don't think any business model should be too reliant on one resource (e.g. my IM income comes from a combination of Amazon as a publisher AND Associate, CB, PDC, CJ and PayPal and I use 3 different outsourcers at the moment). That spreads the risk or vulnerability around.

            Once you have a GA ranking well, you can make money from it in so many ways (that are harder than with an EZA article): CPA offers, Amazon Associates (especially around Christmas when conversions can hit 30%!), ClickBank, your own info product etc. Like a popular YT video, you can also always sell a profitable GA on Flippa.com or here on Warrior Forum.

            Consistency in action and results is everything as you rightly say.

            OK, now I want to cover a couple of problems that I have encountered on this journey as they might help save you time and frustration:

            [1] If you are targeting backlinks sites RELEVANT to your niche, make sure that there are actually enough of them to create a decent backlink blitz and that they have PR. If your chosen niche is slightly off-centre (or pretty obscure like 'baby ear thermometers'), you could struggle to keep finding quality places to leave your links. I know I have for Article 2 and it has used up more time than I would have liked!

            [2] With SENuke, which I am pretty green on, there are all these different conflicting strategies and theories for how it should be used - even on the SENuke forum itself. That has been, unsurprisingly, a bit of an immobilising experience.

            However, my strategy now is to post a couple of short 100-200 word spun mini-articles to about 28-30 Web 2.0 sites once or twice a day until the end of the experiment.

            Each mini-article will have 3 links (2 maximum for hubpages): one to GoArticle 3, one to the CB vendor with a 3OW tracking code (OW for Outer Wheel) and one to one of my inner circle of 'spoke sites'. According to Tom and Lemonarium, these inner circle sites should NOT be connected to each other so I'm going with that for now.

            I know from Google Alerts (one of my favourite tools) that Google picks up these new postings very quickly.

            In theory, that should give me 30-60 new backlinks a day and power my inner circle sites which in turn add power to the money site (this is sometimes referred to as a 'Pumper Site' strategy in SEO circles).

            However, these backlinks will be coming from the same 28-30 Web 2.0 sites so let's see.

            In a way, you could possibly look at SENuke as 'just' a big backlink builder.

            So why not use it instead of say, Steve Hawkins excellent program (non-aff link, BTW)?

            Probably the main reason is cost. SENuke is $127 a month (Pro version) and Steve's program is a one-off $37!

            I feel I haven't given SEN a fair go yet so am determined to do so from here on in.

            Also, I came across these Matt Cutts' (Google) videos on the excellent Google Webmasters' section of YouTube that I thought were interesting (especially if you can read between the lines!):


            Thanks for all the support and sorry if my response to PMs (I get a LOT of 'em) is slow - I'm working on it!
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            • Profile picture of the author HopeBiz
              Discovered your Experiment from a post by Marlon Sanders, thank you Marlon. This is one of those 'slap your forehead' moments in that nobody has attempted this before, to my knowledge. This is an incredible undertaking, one that should be required reading by anyone contemplating starting a monetized web site. My head is spinning from all the facts, figures, terminology, case studies, software programs, statistics, reference sites, logs, web alphabet lingo, individuals sited and lauded, whew.........
              Terry, THANK YOU for your incredible amount of documentation and dedication in creating an almost 'definitive' body of work on the actual inner workings of Internet Marketing.
              Can't wait for the final results.........
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              • Profile picture of the author nota-bene
                Terry.

                You, Sir, are a legend! I wanted to join the ever increasing number of people on this thread, and thank you for what is, without doubt, a fabulous insight to backlinking. I seriuosly can't thank you enough for the time you are spending on this, and for the level of detail in which you share your findings. I also second the motion for a 'buy me a beer' option, as you are deserving of many a pint!

                Keep up the great work!
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      • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
        After reading your post it hit me that people are backlinking their articles. What about their websites? Is this not advisable?


        Originally Posted by islander1 View Post

        Hi cmo140,

        Let me take a shot at answering your questions.

        First, the WSOs (Warrior Special Offers) he's talking about are backlink packages sold by Angela, Paul and Terry. Here are links to all 3 threads so you can read up on them:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...of-inside.html

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

        Second, the idea of making $100 a day from GO Articles is to write and submit articles to goarticles.com (you must sign up first) in niches where there's some desperation like say "get your ex back" for example.

        Each of these articles should have a link to the merchant sales page for the product you are promoting. As this thread suggests (and I didn't realize till reading it), it's good to put one link to the merchant BEFORE the actual article itself.

        Then, you take the backlinks from Angela, PJ, Terry or a combination of the 3 and build backlinks to your GO Articles. These links are from page rank 4 to 9 so they are good quality and enough of them (this depends on keyword and strength of competition but generally 150 to 300 links) should put your GO article to the first page of Google, where your traffic will increase substantially. Repeat this process until your income reaches $100/day.

        The main thing I'm learning as a newbie like yourself is that the process can be frustrating-especially if you haven't proven to yourself yet that you can earn a consistent income with this method. Doubt creeps in and you sometimes feel like the whole thing's not worth it.

        So, it is important to be persistent with ONE method and not jump from one thing to another. If this is the method you choose, just keep at it until you see consistent income and try your best to avoid distractions. Seems to me this is the real key to success in this business.
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          Originally Posted by desireeaib View Post

          After reading your post it hit me that people are backlinking their articles. What about their websites? Is this not advisable?
          Backlinking your domains is advisable. You need to keep in mind that Terry is focusing here on very specific niche keywords, and the fastest way to get that to the first page of google is through posting to article directories.

          If this was an experiment to really build up a niche, i'm sure it would be focused on his own domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Terry - FYI on "relevant " links this is what Rand Fishkin of authority SEO site seomoz,org has stated in their blog recently:

    "To be totally honest, I don't think the content relationship (relevancy) or matching subject matter has much of an impact in the algo right now. Off-topic links, so long as they're from powerful, trustworthy sources, seem to help just as much as those with topical matches.


    It may seem weird, but I know I'm far from the only SEO to have observed this phenomenon."


    So the message is blatantly - sod relevancy - build links!
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Hi Terry,

      I really like your research-based approach.

      1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

      2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

      3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

      4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

      Say links from common web 2.0 sites, vs links you pick up from Go Articles and Ezine Articles, vs. links from the community profiles, vs. links for .edu and .gov profies, vs. forums, vs bookmarking vs. blog comments vs. whatever else?

      I see a lot of opinions. But I don't know of any actual research.

      Best wishes,

      Marlon
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Thank you for all the positive feedback above.

        OK, sites are jumping around as new links are added, no additional sales on Article 1 (it's bouncing around between Page 1 and 2 at the moment so click-throughs are down).

        Let's look at some questions and statements and another popular SEO belief:

        Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

        Terry - FYI on "relevant " links this is what Rand Fishkin of authority SEO site seomoz,org has stated in their blog recently:

        "To be totally honest, I don't think the content relationship (relevancy) or matching subject matter has much of an impact in the algo right now. Off-topic links, so long as they're from powerful, trustworthy sources, seem to help just as much as those with topical matches.


        It may seem weird, but I know I'm far from the only SEO to have observed this phenomenon."


        So the message is blatantly - sod relevancy - build links!
        In practice Jazbo, that looks to be absolutely right and that's what we should all be doing: testing and looking for proof (more on that below). If relevant links were what really mattered to Google, then Article 1 shouldn't be outperforming the other sites (so far) but it is.

        Originally Posted by marlon View Post

        Hi Terry,

        I really like your research-based approach.

        1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

        2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

        3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

        4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

        Say links from common web 2.0 sites, vs links you pick up from Go Articles and Ezine Articles, vs. links from the community profiles, vs. links for .edu and .gov profies, vs. forums, vs bookmarking vs. blog comments vs. whatever else?

        I see a lot of opinions. But I don't know of any actual research.

        Best wishes,

        Marlon
        Hiya Marlon,

        Thanks for joining in.

        1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

        Unless a particular article goes crazily viral, it's hard to see wider publishing of your article building enough backlinks fast enough to give you some 'SERP juice'. What I particularly don't like about that method is that it relies on the actions of others to give your site power - it may happen, it may not. Instead of hoping that other webmasters will pick up one of my articles (which of course is a nice bonus if they do), I'd rather implement my own aggressive linkbuilding campaign.

        Let me give you further evidence of what I mean.

        In the revised version of my WSO due out in a week or so, I'm going to detail the exact method that big SEO houses use to aggressively go after super competitive search terms with millions of anchor text backlinks each year. Yes, I did say millions. Though it has a risky element to it in terms of getting slapped by Google, this free system has put a lot of sites at the top of Google for ultra competitive terms.

        In those cases, the SEO agencies and companies didn't wait around for their articles to (hopefully) go viral. They took their web destiny into their own hands. A viral article or two CAN be enormously powerful BUT it's probably a much more random and unpredictable outcome.

        To be honest, I haven't done much with press releases - I think Warrior Big Mike has a mass press release submitter - but I have seen mine rank well for a little while on their own but without backlinking, those pages soon sink off the SERPs. Also, I don't recall (I could be wrong) ever seeing a press release at #1 on Google for a particular search term.

        2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

        Hope I covered that above.

        3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

        Part 1 - no.

        Part 2 - duplicate content is something I am desperate to properly test and haven't so far because my IM models didn't depend on this issue. I haven't worked out my position on dupe content yet (from my own testing) but it IS on my very long 2010 'to do list'.

        However, I do feel quite strongly about IP Diversity e.g.


        In my experience, loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick. If in doubt, run this quick experiment: if you have a decent post count on Warrior Forum (e.g. in the hundreds), note the rank of one of your sites.

        Now add an anchor text link to that site from your Warrior Forum signature (one that wasn't there before of course). That should now be giving that site hundreds of extra links from all of your past posts across the archives etc of WF. I'll bet that there's hardly any (or no) upward movement.

        Watch it for a week or so and see what happens. It does seem that links from the same site (regardless of how many) basically add up to one 'vote' backlinking-wise.

        I may have gone off topic there!

        4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

        I don't unfortunately. It would have saved me a lot of work Marlon!

        OK let's tackle another BIG SEO theory.

        This is the one where you should make sure that your keyword phrase is in your domain name. You hear it everywhere but does it stand up to scrutiny on Google? Sometimes beliefs become self-perpetuating 'truths' regardless of the 'facts' (such as the fallacy of searching for the number of your competitors by doing a search "in quotes" for example).

        Now, I am not attacking anyone personally here, if putting the keyword in the domain works for you (I still do it out of habit!), then great.

        But let's look at the top 3 results (the ONLY competition you should be concerned with) for 5 different competitive niches. Will the keyword be important in the domain names of these winners?

        Let's see:


        #1 does not have 'debt relief' in the domain or page title. #2 does have debt relief in the domain. #3 only has the word 'debt' in the root domain.


        #1 does not have the term 'make money online' in the domain but it is in the page title and page file name. #2 has 'money maker' in the blogspot domain and the search term in the title of the blog. #3 does not have 'make money online' in the domain but it is in the page title.


        'Reverse phone lookup' does not appear in the domain of any of the top 3 sites and the search phrase does not appear uninterrupted in any of the 3.


        Here, 'lose weight fast' is not in the root domain of any of the top 4 sites but is in every page title and sometimes in a subfolder name and page file name.

        OK, last one:


        'Get rid of acne' does not appear as an uninterrupted string in any of the domain names of the top ranking sites for that term. Again, it is in the page title and page file name.

        I really did think of 5 random niches to check and I am sure that I could find some terms where the top sites did contain the exact search term in the domain.

        BUT

        Is it essential to have your keyword in the domain? I'll let you judge the results for yourself but hopefully it's food for thought!

        IMHO, page title, file name and relevant backlinks should be your main focus.

        Interesting, huh? Love to hear your thoughts and experiences with keywords-in-domain.

        Another reminder: Followers of this thread may be aware that I am tinkering with other backlinking and SEO stuff all the time. You can now FREELY follow those experiments, discoveries and discussions by dropping in here.
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        • Profile picture of the author oZestretch
          This has been a great read so far...

          One thing about the keyword in domain... I think it is a MUST HAVE when you are not doing much of anything else.

          If you have little or no unique natural backlinks, then it proves to be a savior!

          Why/How can I say this?

          I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP

          (this is google.com.au)


          (this is google.com)


          Of course, try altering the order of the words and my site disappears from the ranks. But a half dozen people each day click on me from that search term around the world (shame I keep postponing the release of the product.... oops sorry).

          You will notice the other 2 do not have it in root domain/sub domain or folder or even page name. Also Mine is not a .com... the dreaded .net (but that is a separate debate)

          So yes, do all of them if you can (but can't always get keywords in root domain without going with a crazy long domain name ).

          My 2.2 cents (damn GST)
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        • Profile picture of the author vitalgirl
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          In the revised version of my WSO due out in a week or so, I'm going to detail the exact method that big SEO houses use to aggressively go after super competitive search terms with millions of anchor text backlinks each year. Yes, I did say millions. Though it has a risky element to it in terms of getting slapped by Google, this free system has put a lot of sites at the top of Google for ultra competitive terms.
          Terry, you sold me on that paragraph :-)

          This thread is excellent btw. I only just bought Angela and Pete's linking packages, having sat on the fence a bit. Now I'm off to outsource some of it :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author Sandy Cormack
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


          OK let's tackle another BIG SEO theory.

          This is the one where you should make sure that your keyword phrase is in your domain name. You hear it everywhere but does it stand up to scrutiny on Google? Sometimes beliefs become self-perpetuating 'truths' regardless of the 'facts' (such as the fallacy of searching for the number of your competitors by doing a search "in quotes" for example).

          Now, I am not attacking anyone personally here, if putting the keyword in the domain works for you (I still do it out of habit!), then great.

          But let's look at the top 3 results (the ONLY competition you should be concerned with) for 5 different competitive niches. Will the keyword be important in the domain names of these winners?

          Let's see:

          (snip)

          Is it essential to have your keyword in the domain? I'll let you judge the results for yourself but hopefully it's food for thought!

          IMHO, page title, file name and relevant backlinks should be your main focus.

          Interesting, huh? Love to hear your thoughts and experiences with keywords-in-domain.
          Terry,

          I'm not sure if your conclusion from this data search is valid, for a couple of reasons.

          1. Does the URL for those keywords even exist? Without finding the website in question and analyzing it, it would be very hard to determine if we're comparing apples and oranges.

          2. I've done the same kind of research for several of the niches that I have targeted. What I find quite frequently is the domain name is parked for resale, often in the $3000 range. So there is no website with the keywords in it, and the cost of establishing such a website is high.

          As I posted before, others have determined that there is some relevance. For instance, Google "blogging tips" and your first result is bloggingtips dot com. So it seems to me it is part of the equation.

          I would say that, all other things being equal, having the keywords as the domain name gives you a boost. In other words, if you can get the domain name, fine, but that doesn't relieve you of the need to do all the backlinking etc. You might get there faster, or with relatively less links, or whatever.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
            Originally Posted by Sandy Cormack View Post

            I would say that, all other things being equal, having the keywords as the domain name gives you a boost. In other words, if you can get the domain name, fine, but that doesn't relieve you of the need to do all the backlinking etc. You might get there faster, or with relatively less links, or whatever.
            I agree with this 100%.

            Is having the keyword in your domain essential? Absolutely not, but it does sure make your life easier.

            Unfortunately in the more competitive niches all of the exact domain match domains are taken (even if the easy ones these days), so we have to make due with the domains we can get.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preciseim
    Hi Terry,

    IMO it is still worth trying to get your keywords in the domain name...Even if you can't get an exact match at least try and get them in there ...Just me 2 cents
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    you need a 'buy me a beer' button in your sig. It's the best thread ever.
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Bro,

      Check out product launch formula in google.

      Search "traffic secrets".

      sales letter generator

      I wish I had time to grab some of those awesome screen caps like you are doing. What I see is LONG TAIL keywords seem to do very well when you register the domain.

      But maybe if you had the keyword in the filename and did a little linking it would be all the same. I DO see the exact domain a lot in slow and mid range searches in the number 1 spot.

      Probably mostly low range.

      IP DIVERSITY

      Look at the backlinks on your BIG sites that get ranked high. They almost always do a sitewide buy of an ad on a high pr domain for the inbound links.

      You DO see these links when you do a backlinkwatch search.

      Why they do this I'm not sure. And does it really help. I'm not sure. But I read this and it seems to be true that the big authority sites buy a sitewide ad buy on other big authority sites.

      But I haven't done anything remotely resembling the research you're doing.

      DIRECTORY SUBMISSIONS?

      What about plain ol' directory submissions and believe it or not submitting to 1000+ search engines like the OLD days? That gives you an ip diversity of inbound links, right?

      Marlon
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      • Profile picture of the author JDCopper
        Terry,
        For whatever it is worth, I remember way back in the day before everyone started repeating the same things over and over again (and not always getting them right) that the reason you put your keywords in your domain name was that people have a tendency to link to websites via their name instead of the key words that you hope they would use.

        Thus, a guy linking to preventacnenow.com would unintentionally be linking to your site with the right keywords whereas the same guy linking to doverskinsolutions.com would not. Because of that Google would rank a site with the keywords in the domain name higher.

        Over time, as people re-wrote what they read somewhere else without completely understanding it, it morphed into Google ranks sites with keywords in their domain names higher.

        I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.

        BTW, amazing thread. I start down this path all the time (not publicly) but never end up finding the time to finish it out, so kudos and thanks. Absolutely outstanding idea. (Not to mention shrewd. I'm pretty new here, but I imagine your rep is soaring around here right now. There's nothing quite like PROVING that you know what you are talking about.)
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        • Profile picture of the author Hereandthere
          Originally Posted by JDCopper View Post

          I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.
          In 2001 or so or so I registered training-dogs.com. I put up the header with the url in it, but I didn't write any content. I was busy with my then-day job at the time. Maybe two months later, I wondered what competition I would have for training dogs and I did a GG search. My site was #1, and it stayed there without content or later with minimal content for months.
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          • Profile picture of the author SMS
            Very interesting thread here.

            BTW... this still happens today. Pages with no content rank on first page of Google, even when the keyword does not appear in the domain name or URL.

            Originally Posted by Hereandthere View Post

            In 2001 or so or so I registered training-dogs.com. I put up the header with the url in it, but I didn't write any content. I was busy with my then-day job at the time. Maybe two months later, I wondered what competition I would have for training dogs and I did a GG search. My site was #1, and it stayed there without content or later with minimal content for months.
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            • Profile picture of the author JDCopper
              Still lovin this thread Terry. Note to those of you who have chimed in on whether or not the domain name is relevant / worthwhile / important, please let me point out that it is your title tag that is winning that keyword, not your domain name. If you want to test it, change your title tag to something else and see if you still rank there after a month. Even better, change another site you have to use that title tag and watch it out rank the one with the domain name, but not the title tag.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sowemimo Oladele
    Terry,

    With all what you are working on, you still find time to screenshot and paste them in warrior forum.

    You are really doing a great job....Thanks man
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  • Profile picture of the author mikkosant
    Hey terry, great thread I can't wait to see how sb101 turns out. Maybe free traffic system too?

    Anyway, since you have mentioned the reverse cell niche before, you may be aware of this article.

    http://www.g oarti cles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2036995
    sorry don't want them getting a backlink...

    If you type reverse cell phone lookup in google, you will see this goarticle ranking at position 4 or 5. Now, this article was ripped directly off the reversephonedetective's affiliate tools section. It has no real backlinks. Just some strange myspace web search ones. Of course, everyone knows about the other 2 ezinearticles in this niche making a killing, but this guy is using dupe content with no real backlinks and has been ranking halfway down page one for over 10 days. Fresh articles do usually stay at the top of results for a short while and quickly fade away, but in this niche, fresh articles don't get on page 1 without backlinks or so it seems. Usually, new articles stick on page 2-5 for a couple weeks and then die off. Anyway, just looking at what you think this guy could have done. It just doesn't make any sense.
    He's probobly making atleast $50/day with that ranking.

    Welcome To The SEO Conundrum...

    Thanks for this detailed experiment BTW.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Dont confuse same site/domain name/url with IP's

      Your example proves domain diversity - not IP diversity [ IMHO ]

      Big Difference, especially in the efficacy and value of the backlinks.

      Much respect and props Terry - this is a tremendous resource thread.

      To your success,

      Steve


      In my experience, loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick. If in doubt, run this quick experiment: if you have a decent post count on Warrior Forum (e.g. in the hundreds), note the rank of one of your sites.

      Now add an anchor text link to that site from your Warrior Forum signature (one that wasn't there before of course). That should now be giving that site hundreds of extra links from all of your past posts across the archives etc of WF. I'll bet that there's hardly any (or no) upward movement.

      Watch it for a week or so and see what happens. It does seem that links from the same site (regardless of how many) basically add up to one 'vote' backlinking-wise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
    Just stumbled over this thread and all I can say is WOW, great information! Going to let my subscribers know about this. It's perfect timing.

    Thanks for this great experiment, very refreshing thread. Going to follow closely.
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Hi,

      Check out:

      internet marketing secrets

      Michael Campbell is #1 with internetmarketingsecrets.com.

      He is #5 or 6 with the term internet marketing strategy using
      internetmarketingstrategy.com.

      Look at:

      fat loss secrets

      thefatlosssecret.com is #1 two and the #1 ranking has keywords also.

      search: "burn the fat"

      burnthefat.com is #1

      burnthefatblog is #2

      search: "guitar secrets"

      guitarsecrets.com is #1

      skateboard secrets

      search: "photoshop secrets"

      photoshopsecret.com is #1

      What I read in the past was that the domain name had a 20% or 30% weight in the Google Algo. James Brausch published that once I believe based on his research of high ranking domains.

      Still, I have no idea the difference between the keywords in the domain vs. just in the file name.

      Marlon
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  • Profile picture of the author imlogic
    This is more of a "backlink strategies for Go Articles" test more than anything else...

    I wish you would have used brand new wp blogs for each test. GoArticles already has authority so what may work for a GoArticle may not work for a brand new site.

    For instance: "relevant links" may not be needed as much as say on a new site because GA already has tons of trust and authority and if they say this page is about "x" then its pretty much about "x" and Google usually "agrees" and needs less "confirmation".

    The "property" has to be the same in each test otherwise the backlink findings CANNOT be definitive for more than GoArticle type authority sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hereandthere
    I've just come across this thread and read it all from start to finish. I'm so glad you have taken the advice given early on NOT to disclose your niche yet. In my mind, that makes the tests far more valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Excellent thread Terry, will look for your WSO - when will that be ready?

    A couple questions to make sure I am clear.

    When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

    Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

    Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

    What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?
    I thought feeds were for a number of articles.

    Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?


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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      OK, things are pretty busy now - understandably - but wanted to update and answer a few questions.

      Firstly, from a PM to me:

      1. Firstly i wanted to know if you can achieve 1st page results for terms that say have a soc of 10 and below using the type of link building you talk about in your ebook. I know that things are unpredictable but i am talking about your experience, does it happen often or do you need to do other link building.

      Not sure which program you are using to gauge SOC - Micro Niche Finder, Keyword Elite etc. However, make sure that any SOC calculation takes backlinks into account. At the moment, I don't believe that MNF does that but I'm pretty sure that KE does. You can also use SEO Quake and SEO for Firefox to dig into competition too. Look at links to the specific page you are trying to beat and remember that Google ranks pages not sites e.g.

      no matter how much authority or backlinks with completely different anchor text Wikipedia's page on chimpanzees is, it will never rank for a golf club search. That might sound obvious but I mean DON'T assume that because an about.com site page is at #1 for a niche you want to go after and you see that the WHOLE about.com site has 400,000 backlinks, look closer and see how many backlinks are going to the SPECIFIC page you have to beat.

      If you are serious about getting to #1 on Google, your only real competition is the ONE site currently there - forget all about that search "in quotes" stuff.

      Develop you OWN 'SOC' criteria - look at site age (more on that below with my experiment articles), page backlinks, .edu page backlinks, .gov backlinks, backlink IP diversity and anchor text targeted.

      How?

      SEO for Firefox: site age, page backlinks, .edu page backlinks, .gov backlinks

      Backlinkwatch.com: backlink IP diversity (or at least links on same domain) competitor anchor text

      2. Can you please give me an example of one of your sites (not go article) where you only use the profile link building, where you are on page one, please tell me how many profile links you did in order to get there.

      Sure. Amazon.com: Small Business Ideas: 400 Latest &...Amazon.com: Small Business Ideas: 400 Latest &... (targeting 'small business ideas').


      According to Yahoo Site Explorer, it has roughly 1300 backlinks - reported! More like over 2000 though. If that isn't a goldmine of backlink sites I just handed you, I don't know what is!

      That is a slightly competitive term and you probably won't need that volume for Page 1 - it all depends on your competition.

      I just want to analyze the soc and so on in order to see how effective the profile links really are.

      Knock yourself out bro!

      3. Also i would like your opinion on xfactors ADSENSE course if you know about it? Its basically to look for ultra low competition niches- make a 5 page website (must be about products) - then write about 2 ezine articles for each page so that you can get other webmasters to publish your article and therefore your link.( this should give IP diversity right?) - You need to make about 50 of these and you should be above $100 per day minimum.

      I don't know that AdSense course but I'm sure there are reviews of it over in the Product Reviews sub-forum of WF.

      5. Do YOU think this is a decent plan that has potential to work, especially if i add say 2 profile links per page on the sites.

      If it fits with XFactor's methodology and that process is proving effective. I say more about backlink volume below.

      6. Is internet marketing your full time job - i basically want to know if what methods you use has the potential to give someone else a full time wage.

      Yes and yes. Though I plan to get really good at guitar, form a band next year and knock off Coldplay as the world's biggest band!

      I would respect your opinions - i am very comitted to making a full time living from internet marketing, i also live in uk actually ( london) not that its relevant :-)

      Glad to help. You definitely CAN make a fulltime living in IM but try to make the financial transition a gradual one from your J-O-B. Overnight success is pretty unlikely BUT if you invest the time in your 'IM degree', you should eventually start honing the specific skillset and translating that into money. Don't forget too that there are loads of different ways to make money in IM so try to find ways that are a natural fit for your personality.

      Originally Posted by imlogic View Post

      This is more of a "backlink strategies for Go Articles" test more than anything else...

      I wish you would have used brand new wp blogs for each test. GoArticles already has authority so what may work for a GoArticle may not work for a brand new site.

      For instance: "relevant links" may not be needed as much as say on a new site because GA already has tons of trust and authority and if they say this page is about "x" then its pretty much about "x" and Google usually "agrees" and needs less "confirmation".

      The "property" has to be the same in each test otherwise the backlink findings CANNOT be definitive for more than GoArticle type authority sites.
      Hi IML,

      That's a valid point though I do have one WP blog in the first 4 tests and one in my other 'secret 4'. More will be revealed on that soon.

      This experiment is one of many possibly configurations and I heartily encourage you or other Warriors to run an experiment here which I would love to follow based on a bunch of WP blogs.

      Interestingly, that GA authority isn't helping Article 2 with its relevant backlinks at the moment - it's coming last so far!

      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      Excellent thread Terry, will look for your WSO - when will that be ready?

      A couple questions to make sure I am clear.

      When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

      Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

      Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

      What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?
      I thought feeds were for a number of articles.


      Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?


      Thank you!
      When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

      More like posting a profile link to an acne product on Billboard.com's social community (for music discussions).

      Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

      You can definitely do it manually and/or RSSBot but the time and labour involved may make you suicidal after a week!

      Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

      Interesting! I've never tried to do that but I will try to put links to EZA from one of my GoArticles this week. I'll post the results here.

      Let me also add that in the past I have used mass article directory submission very aggressively. The actual mass submission program was amazing and efficient BUT I never found much of a rankings bump from it.

      What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?

      Yep you can use the service here to create an RSS feed from any page on the web (mentioned in an earlier post). Make sure you validate your feed here too so that it will work.

      I thought feeds were for a number of articles.

      Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?

      In my last post, Matt Cutts from Google talks about their attitude to directories (they don't like a lot of them). If you're committed to this approach, try the $299 option - subject to editorial approval - to the Yahoo Directory.

      Love to hear if other Warriors have had success with the $299 yahoo Directory listing?

      Next Issue - Backlink Volume In Your Competitors' Sites vs Yours?

      Now when checking out potential competitors, it's very easy to get carried away with the vulnerability of some niches because they have hardly any or 0 REPORTED backlinks.

      We see hardly any backlinks in some top 5/top 3/#1 sites in a niche and all the party lights go on and we jump in. Now of course a lack of REPORTED backlinks is great BUT isn't just a mathematical race.

      For example, Article 1 in this experiment now has 250 decent backlinks. It has been as high as #4 on Page 1 but is presently sitting low down on Page 2 for its term.

      That of course affects our business model because traffic is not going through our hoplinks at the same rate as when we were high up on Page 1 (and made that sale) e.g.


      Now on a purely mathematical level, there are presently articles from Buzzle and EZA with either very few reported backlinks or 0 above my 250-backlink article.

      Huh?

      Now if backlinking or SEO was a purely mathematical backlinks 'arms race', the moment I had one more equivalent PR backlink than the site above me, my site would immediately jump above them.

      But that just doesn't happen!

      Instead, my theory is this. (Everyone's got one!)

      Google (via Matt Cutts etc etc) is always yabbering on about 'authority sites' (which they adore).

      And a genuine, real, true, authentic authority site only gains real, authentic authority over time (it kind of mimics the 'real world' in that sense). Not necessarily years but time.

      The halo of authority is NOT established by suddenly having 9000 links (of course there are exceptions to this rule as TMZ proved in the MJ case).

      And all we are really doing with backlinking is SIMULATING authority.

      Yes Google loves fresh content but often that content disappears down the SERPs pretty quickly (Digg, for example).

      That's why patience is SO important while - through backlinking - we build or simulate the halo of authority through widely diverse backlinks.

      Sometimes this happens quickly, a lot of the time it doesn't.

      In a way, this is an experiment in using 4 different methods of simulating the halo of authority in order to rank.

      For Test 4 - the WP blog powered by SB101 is at #26 on the Live search network but still failing to gain traction with Google.

      So in this process of backlinking - simulating authority - we need to adjust our expectations so that we can ride out the 'tipping point' on the backlinking journey.

      The tipping point is the stage in backlinking when SERP rankings start moving up massively, sometimes tens or even hundreds of places. Nothing happens for a while and you might feel bored, frustrated and like giving up.

      BUT DON'T!

      In the recent past, I have had over 40 different sites on Page 1 of Google for their desired search terms and they ALL had one thing in common: their rates of progression all varied widely!

      They ALL took a different timeframe to build their simulated halo of authority.

      I have less than that on Page 1 now as I'm focusing on a smaller number of sites (at last - says my my saintly-patient girlfriend).

      At the moment, our 4 test sites (and the secret ones) are still building their authority status. In a way, that seems almost unrelated to the actual volume of backlinks (especially compared to higher competitors) but eventually that WILL even out, the authority status will be established through time and CONTINUOUS backlinking and we will get high search engine rankings.

      Hope all that yabbering on helps and feel free to keep firing questions (if I've missed yours, please put it in again) and don't forget that "Thanks" button on the bottom right - if you haven't already!
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  • Profile picture of the author LoanShark
    Wonderful post Terry! I guess I will jump on for the journey as well!
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      This is kinda off-topic but when I originally posted this thread in the main discussion, a mod pushed it over to the 'Mind/Success' sub-forum and not many Warriors got to benefit from it so I'm reposting it here:

      How I Got Stephen "7 Habits" Covey To Endorse My Book For $10 ('Sales' Letter Included)

      Here is a valuable marketing lesson for fellow Warriors.

      A while back, one of my books, "400 Latest & Greatest Small Business Ideas From Around The World" was released through Amazon on a tiny marketing budget (read virtually 'zero').

      As a result, getting quality endorsements for the book was critical.

      So far, the book has received great endorsements from Duncan Bannatyne (from BBC's "Dragons' Den"), the Editor of "Real Business" magazine, David Meerman Scott and, and more recently Stephen R. Covey, Author of The "7 Habits of Highly Effective People" & "The 8th Habit: From Effectiveness to Greatness".

      Dr Covey has stated for marketing use that my book is "A marvelous resource for anyone looking to start a business--packed with good ideas, including the pros and cons of each concept." I can use this endorsement in all marketing materials, web promotion, on the cover etc

      How did I get these endorsements including Dr Covey's?

      Simple. I sent them a copy of the book and a polite letter asking for it.

      Total cost: about $10 each.

      I almost had the "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" guy on board (with the same letter below) - it didn't work out and I've had a few 'no's' (e.g. Richard Branson) on the way but the 'yes's' are marketing gold that money couldn't buy (these guys are multimillionaires).

      The moral of the story is that we should never talk ourselves out of an opportunity without at least trying.

      One important tip: Make sure the envelope you send with the letter in is stamped "Personal" or "Confidential" to give it a chance of reaching the inner circle of your target.

      Here's the actual approach letter I used - hope this helps you and PM me if you need further advice on this kind of approach

      ATT: Dr Stephen R. Covey
      2200 West Parkway Blvd
      Salt Lake City, UT 84119

      Dear Dr Covey,

      RE: POSSIBLE ONE-LINE ENDORSEMENT OF NEW BOOK FOR ENTREPRENEURS

      As a long-time fan of your work and the London-based author/editor of the enclosed new entrepreneurial small business title,

      Small Business Ideas:
      400 Latest & Greatest Small Business Ideas From Around The World
      2008/09 Edition
      (ISBN 9780955898907)

      I was hoping that you could briefly peruse the enclosed book and consider a one-sentence endorsement of it.

      As this unique book encourages entrepreneurship and self-empowerment - much like your own inspiring works - it seems like the kind of publication you might consider endorsing. In a way, this book also celebrates the remarkable brilliance of business and product innovation around the world today and offers the necessary information for entrepreneurs to contact these individuals and organisations.

      A one-line endorsement by yourself - if kindly given - would thus be used on Amazon and Barnes & Noble and on future editions of the book. The book has just been released on Amazon.

      Your kind recommendation would also be a tremendous help to a fellow entrepreneur, albeit one further down the 'food chain' than yourself.

      If considered favourably, such an endorsement can be sent through e-mail to me via terrykyleXXX@yahoo.com or by the fax number above.

      Sincere thanks in advance for your time Dr Covey and feel free to contact me in Britain on +44-XXXX-XXXX if you have further questions.

      Best regards


      Terry Kyle
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      • Profile picture of the author marlon
        Hi,

        Seomoz is a trusted source of seo research.

        Thought you might like this:

        Search Engine Ranking Factors | SEOmoz

        They have a pie chart there showing ranking factors. It still doesn't answer
        the specific type questions you're testing but as an overall guide, it's good.

        Marlon

        PS: That's amazing you got an endorsement from Steven Covey. Well done!

        Did you print the book with Lightning Source?
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  • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
    Terry,

    Shared this in your other thread so I thought i would post over here...

    Dont mind sharing at all. I have 2 different ways I am using Free Traffic - FT and My Article Network - MYAN. Both ways are to get links back to the sites where I have links. The first way is for the backlink packets. What I do here is to take a PLR article on any topic, i get it rewritten twice and spun using magical article rewriter bc it will output the articles with the FT and MYAN codes.

    I then link up 1 keyword in the middle of the article and at the end of the article I put.. article by...name..and learn more about him here. I link up name and the click here part. I am not looking to get these pages ranked, I am just wanting to get them indexed and fire a little bit of link juice to these sites. My thinking is by having a few links each month going there way, it will help it not only get indexed but stay indexed. I have seen indexed pages fall out off google index a few months after they been indexed.

    Why... my guess is no content being added and no links pointing to it. and it will also keep the cache date fresh. I know Jerry West teaches when you are looking for places to link, always check the cache date and make sure its under 30 days.

    Now free traffic allows you to rotate links per keyword. so i will put in anywhere from 3-8 links per keyword. Same thing at my article network. FT allows you to post up to 40 blogs, my article is unlimited but spreadout over a few months. so if i use 8 links per keyword, that means each link will get posted to 5 blogs at FT and probably more at MYAN. each article is allowed 3 links. so thats a total of 24 links per article and i usualy submit the same article to both sites so i am getting 48 links for one article. now i only do this when i have already fired links at these sites. I usually start with 3-5 links per keyword.

    Now the 2nd way i use FT and MYAN is i take the article i had written that is keyword focused, then get it rewritten twice and spun again but this time I am using these to go after more specific web 2.0 sites, mainly sites from SEnuke and a few sites that mark dickinson uses from his WSO. For these, i am using about 3 links per keyword so i am getting more links per site here.

    This 2nd part is new. What i am going to do is monitor the rankings and see if any of these sites start to rank and then maybe get a few more links thrown their way.

    When I first did this about 4 months ago, I had 240 links and only 80 were indexed, after doing this, i was able to get about 190 sites indexed and rankings all went up alot. I still keep doing it but havent tracked it like i did in the beginning, though after every run of this, i do see a bump in the keywords i have targeted.

    im also going to start to use FT and MYAN to link back to my site and see what results i get. I konw there is another wso on here that only uses FT and is getting results. probably goes back to the whole IP diversity thing

    one frustrating part is when you see a page not indexed and it has 40 links pointing to it. i had a wordpress.com blog that i had unique content on and dont know why i couldnt get it to get indexed so i threw another round of links and then it finally stuck but i know not all pages where get links on will get indexed and thats why its a numbers game.


    One other tip I will throw out here, especially for those using senuke. i get a 500 word article written, i ask them to break it into 2 parts so each part can be its own article. so i am getting 3 articles out of one 500+ article so i can then submit the 2 parts to one account at the social netwwork sites and then take the full version and submit at a new account at these sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Thanks so much for sharing that Chris ("jcbradley") - brilliant!

      Originally Posted by marlon View Post

      Hi,

      Seomoz is a trusted source of seo research.

      Thought you might like this:

      Search Engine Ranking Factors | SEOmoz

      They have a pie chart there showing ranking factors. It still doesn't answer
      the specific type questions you're testing but as an overall guide, it's good.

      Marlon

      PS: That's amazing you got an endorsement from Steven Covey. Well done!

      Did you print the book with Lightning Source?
      Thanks Marlon - interesting and a part of putting the pieces of the SEO 'puzzle' together.

      Yes my 2 books on Amazon are through Lightning Source (the quality of the books is very good) and as the writer/editor AND publisher with LS, I get more than 50% of the Amazon retail price. That's WAY more than a writer with a 'normal' publisher would (where royalties are scandalously low).

      The only drawback in that deal is that royalty payments are made 4 months after the initial sale but once the monthly direct payments are coming in, that's not a big deal.

      Now, as you read this, a new secret experiment is going on backlinking wise with a new GoArticle in the niche. I'll reveal that specific process in my next post but it's sort of different to all the others. What I will say is that 12,000 backlinks are being built to a brand new GoArticle tonight. Yep tonight. I'm as curious as you see how that goes!

      Anyway, with the other sites, while loads of backlinks are being built, stability in the SERPs is still not there but I think it's very useful to analyse the metrics we do have so far.

      I once heard one great discriminator for the difference between a failing business and a succeeding one - the successful company is fully aware of every metric measurement related to its business and the dud one ain't.

      Yes, setting up tracking metrics and checking that stuff is a drag and pain in the backside a lot of the time but it's not as much of a drag as 'failure'.

      In my own IM journey, once I got my focus OFF financial goals and ON to metric targets, ironically I started to do a WHOLE lot better. Weird, huh?

      So let's look at the very latest CB Analytics and see what we can deduce (some of which might be disproven later):




      What conclusions can we make from these stats? Remember that after 123 hops, we switched to a different CB vendor though Tracking Code LWHEEL is still to the old vendor.

      I really should have changed all those to the new CB vendor AND given them all a unique Tracking Code. Shame on me.

      So far, the most successful type of link (in terms of getting hops to the order form) by far is the one like this between the headline and article itself:


      If you have a GoArticle, you really should try this type of link and also add a unique CB Tracking Code to it so you can track it.

      In a way, if you have picked up nothing else from following this experiment, this ONE tactic could make you a lot more money - IF you are driving CONSISTENT traffic to that GoArticle!

      You can buy me a beer when you visit London next!


      That's what I feel is necessary in IM instruction - "microdetails" like this and which I will (when I get the time in the next couple of days) go into more in my free SEO Backlinks Diary which you can join in right here.

      Even if this experiment stopped right now, that is something you could apply straight away and use to boost your IM income - the evidence is apparent up above there...

      So, from our CB Analytics for the entire experiment period, we can also see that:

      SENuke's Web 2.0 links ("lwheel" and "art3ow" for Outer Wheel) are not driving hops through to the Order Page at all.

      This is another crucial factor in your IM business model: finding traffic that converts well.

      For example, in my experience, I find YouTube traffic terrible for conversion. I'm not saying that's true on all products for all IMarketers, just my findings.

      I also find Amazon traffic outside of the Christmas period (when I get 30%+) disappointing in terms of conversions and the commissions are tiny. I'm actually getting out of Amazon Associates affiliate stuff for that reason. And a 24 hour cookie is just too stingy!

      Yes you do get incidental sales of unrelated items from affiliate links (e.g. someone comes through your jewelry aff link and buys an AC/DC CD) but I think to do it well requires total focus and long-term resources. Just my opinion there and if you're succeeding financially with Amazon, more power to you!

      Also our CB analytics show that Bio Boxes (they end in a "C") on ALL the articles in this test have failed to deliver 1 Order Form impression!

      Wow!

      How much potential value is lost from Ezine Articles where only a Bio Box link is permitted (or is it one link after the first 2 paragraphs? I forget as EZA isn't one of my business models).

      It would actually be interesting to see a similar kind of experiment to this one with EzineArticles.

      Site 5 (it's a secret and is actually using a strategy that involves no backlinking whatsoever) has delivered 19 hops BUT no Order Form impressions thus far. I''l reveal what's going on there soon.

      All in all, there are actually 7 experiments in all going on, not 4 (no wonder my girlfriend is grumpy!):

      #1: IRRELEVANT LINKS >> GoArticle
      #2: RELEVANT LINKS >> GoArticle
      #3: SENuke >> GoArticle
      #4: Warrior Ken Fry's Social BookMarking 101 >> New WP site
      #5: No Backlinking at all >> New WP Site
      #6: 12000 Mega Backlink Blitz Overnight >> New GoArticle
      #7: 1500 Backlinks over next 4 Weeks >> New GoArticle

      I've looked really closely at doing Free Traffic System too and definitely wanted to but my resources are already at maximum so I'll have to save that one for another time and document it for my free subscribers.

      Soon I will go into exactly how Tests 5, 6 and 7 are being powered.

      Two Final Points for tonight before I hit the sack:

      [1] IM guy Joe Lavery promotes a CB system "Response Dynamite" (you can watch his video here - this is not an aff link but you can learn some good stuff here; I don't know Joe personally and have never met him or corresponded with him) whereby he advocates AVOIDING ClickBank vendor's order forms and setting up your own copycat page of the vendor - ethically dubious I know but bear with me - BECAUSE his testing, according to him, shows that there is too much FAILURE in the tracking and reporting of sales from a CB vendor's order form.

      Now technically I don't quite know (yet) how Joe does this with a DIRECT order page to ClickBank but he argues that a much more accurate sales reportage takes place that way.

      When I look at my top affiliate link in Article 1 (Irelevant Backlinks) giving me 4 Order Form Impression Counts and only 1 sale, Joe might have something there (trying not get sued by CB here!) though that could be a little premature.

      Point 2

      In these 7 tests, I have deliberately avoided using my normal backlinking tactics but instead have gone with the 'normal', conventional method of building juice to these test sites. Why? Simply to avoid any later accusations of bias in the running of the experiment.

      Remember, we are focusing on the metrics here and learning from them. We are looking for "hops>order form impressions>order form submissions>sales>no/low refunds".

      Party on and I WILL be starting my brief SEO Backlink diary notes in the next day or two - signup link above. These won't be affiliate link spamfests just brief diary notes on cool new tools, tactics and tricks I'm monkeying around with at the moment.

      See you there where my first 'diary entry' will be about a shocking new 'game changing' (sorry about the cliche there!) platform for backlinking that I will (hopefully) be launching in Q1 2010. It's top secret. Ssshhhhh.

      (the signup link is above).
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  • Profile picture of the author samcarson
    Great work Terry. You are an information powerhouse. BTW how do you get thousands of backlinks overnight?
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Hi

      How you have time to do these amazing, detailed posts, run your business AND see your girlfriend, I don't know.

      You're inspiring to all.

      I've learned a lot about seo from you!

      I'm surprised SE Nuke hasn't done better in the short term. In the long run, I figure Google will catch up to the link wheels and spun content.

      Marlon
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Hi Terry,

    Great thread...Just a few quick questions (and thanks for taking time to answer everyone"s questions)

    ~ On articles at an article directory: If I put two links in an article and point them at different pages on my own website, do I get credit for both. Or does it really only count as one since it is going to the same website and coming from the same article?

    ~ On Angela and other backlinks. Should these links be directed to page with the Keyword you want to be known for or the home page of the website or a mix? And how much do these links really count when they have no content with them? If you have 10 keywords for 1 website then you would need to post links for each of these keywords on each site?

    ~ Would blog and forum Commenting links count as much as other links?

    ~ Did you try backlinking from Go to Ezine articles? I tried it..cant get it to work.

    ~ Does Senuke have auto backlinking to different sites recommended in these packets each month or is their auto posting to directories and web2.0 only?

    ~If you through backlinks at an article that has not been indexed yet..do those links count later when it has been indexed?

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author slvrsrfr
    Hi Terry,

    Loving this thread. It is very informative and I'm looking forward to the results.

    In your previous post you mentioned that you aren't doing any of your usual backlinking strategy.

    Might I ask what your usual backlinking strategy is?

    Cheers,

    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Yes please ....we all want to know your usual backlinking strategy
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    • Profile picture of the author J smith
      Great thread Terry, lots of great info here.

      As for goarticle's signature box not delivering any hops, I find GA's ctr for the resource box is horrible compared to other 2 article directories I use. We are talking like 10% of EA's ctr for the exact same article. Not sure why it is that way, but that's been my experience with GA.

      I am curious how you are going to make 15000 links
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Terry,
    Did you use xrumer program to create those 12000 backlinks overnight? 'cause i heard people say its a spam tool that goes around creating links on all types of forums, blogs, guest books, photo galleries etc and can create 30,000 backlinks in 6 hrs. But the tool is expensive at $540!

    Regarding, backlinking platform that's on your mind, if you get to do one, i will be your first customer
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  • Profile picture of the author Big JP
    Great stuff Terry, thanks for clearing the RSS creation too.

    All the best

    JP
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  • Profile picture of the author spaxton1
    "I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP"

    Hey Ozestretch! (Adam?)

    I couldn't help but check your site and rankings. While I do agree that having your keywords in your domain is important, it surely isn't enough to keep you on top of the serps. This is just my 2 cents... I'm new to the warrior forum-- but I have some experience with this.
    According to seomoz keywords in the root domain have a high importance (62%) or moderate importance in the subdomain (42%) Compare this to their #1 top factor "Keyword anchored Link" (73% Importance) #2 Link Authority (71%) #3 Link IP Diversity (67%)... So based on "their" opinion links links links-- that's the magic ingredient. As you mention, if that's all you're doing, it will help a bit at first but don't expect to remain high within the serps. In fact at the time of checking your stats google us has dropped you down to #5, not #2 anymore.

    I checked your stats and competition... right now in my opinion Google is testing your site to determine where they will place you in their serps.

    I will list the overview here, since I still think it applies to this thread... (Terry, hope you agree)
    #1 Spot : wildapricot.com PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 110,000
    #2 Spot : wildapricot.com/ subdomain PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 116,000
    #3 Spot: syncnet.com PR 4 | Age 12 | Back links 64
    #4 Spot: idevspot.com PR 3 | Age 1 | Back links 31
    #5 Spot: YOUR SITE PR 0 | 7 months | Back links 12
    #6 Spot: amember.com PR 6 | Age 6 | Back links 9290
    #7 Spot: membergate.com PR 4 | Age 9 | Back links 33,100
    #8 Spot: memberspeed.com PR 4 | Age 1 | Back links 6770
    #9 Spot: extrememember.com PR 4 | Age 0 | Back links 2290
    #10 Spot:datasystemsplus.com PR 2 | Age 6 | Back links 1210

    Keep in mind, the back links above are all links pointing back to that specific page and do not really tell us if they are using your keyword for the anchor. I did do a quick check on the #1 site, and it doesn't have "Membership Website Software" as anchor links at all. Which tells me that they are probably not optimizing that exact keyword phrase.

    So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely... especially for the keywords you mentioned, they seem somewhat competitive. But, overall you could own that serps page if you incorporate backlinking to your site, article about your site, and video (youtube) about your site. Don't just try to get your site to number 1, try to take the top 5 spots through articles, blogs, and video-- that's how you dominate!

    SIDE NOTE: You mentioned that your product isn't ready yet... I run a membership website and when I first launched the site I spent $40,000 on Billboards, $12,000 on Radio, and $8,500 in Newspaper advertising to try to get members. I was excited about our service and assumed people would join even though many of the actual membership features were not ready or developed yet. WRONG!! I did get a lot of interest, but the bottom line is that you can't expect to sale a "Pending" product... It was an expensive lesson.

    Hopefully, I've been able to shed some light on the subject. If you're getting lucky in the Serps, do everything in your power to remain there.
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    • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
      Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

      So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely...
      I also agree. But a site should have a variety of backlinks and anchor texts to look more natural, but of course somehow the main keyword should be included on a number of incoming anchor texts... It's all a fine balance.
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    • Profile picture of the author oZestretch
      Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

      "I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP"

      Hey Ozestretch! (Adam?)

      I couldn't help but check your site and rankings. While I do agree that having your keywords in your domain is important, it surely isn't enough to keep you on top of the serps. This is just my 2 cents... I'm new to the warrior forum-- but I have some experience with this.
      According to seomoz keywords in the root domain have a high importance (62%) or moderate importance in the subdomain (42%) Compare this to their #1 top factor "Keyword anchored Link" (73% Importance) #2 Link Authority (71%) #3 Link IP Diversity (67%)... So based on "their" opinion links links links-- that's the magic ingredient. As you mention, if that's all you're doing, it will help a bit at first but don't expect to remain high within the serps. In fact at the time of checking your stats google us has dropped you down to #5, not #2 anymore.

      I checked your stats and competition... right now in my opinion Google is testing your site to determine where they will place you in their serps.

      I will list the overview here, since I still think it applies to this thread... (Terry, hope you agree)
      #1 Spot : wildapricot.com PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 110,000
      #2 Spot : wildapricot.com/ subdomain PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 116,000
      #3 Spot: syncnet.com PR 4 | Age 12 | Back links 64
      #4 Spot: idevspot.com PR 3 | Age 1 | Back links 31
      #5 Spot: YOUR SITE PR 0 | 7 months | Back links 12
      #6 Spot: amember.com PR 6 | Age 6 | Back links 9290
      #7 Spot: membergate.com PR 4 | Age 9 | Back links 33,100
      #8 Spot: memberspeed.com PR 4 | Age 1 | Back links 6770
      #9 Spot: extrememember.com PR 4 | Age 0 | Back links 2290
      #10 Spot:datasystemsplus.com PR 2 | Age 6 | Back links 1210

      Keep in mind, the back links above are all links pointing back to that specific page and do not really tell us if they are using your keyword for the anchor. I did do a quick check on the #1 site, and it doesn't have "Membership Website Software" as anchor links at all. Which tells me that they are probably not optimizing that exact keyword phrase.

      So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely... especially in for the keywords you mentioned, they seem somewhat competitive.

      SIDE NOTE: You mentioned that your product isn't ready yet... I run a membership website and when I first launched the site I spent $40,000 on Billboards, $12,000 on Radio, and $8,500 in Newspaper advertising to try to get members. I was excited about our service and assumed people would join even though many of the actual membership features were not ready or developed yet. WRONG!! I did get a lot of interest, but the bottom line is that you can't expect to sale a "Pending" product... It was an expensive lesson.

      Hopefully, I've been able to shed some light on the subject. If you're getting lucky in the Serps, do everything in your power to remain there.
      Yes, I am Adam

      I believe google will display slightly different results depending on your location (or the location of the closest google server to you) even though we both searched on the exact same domain. I read this a long time ago in this forum. So where I see #2, you see #5... but I searched right now, and still see #2.

      As for the pending side, I have purposely not made the site 'known' until I knew where I was going with it (that and the coder stopped coding :S). I should have listened to Ryan Lee and not got a 'mate' on the job.

      Totally agree with backlinks being the holy grail, in 2002 my first website gained a pr4 status ... I had no idea what that was then or how to get it.. I figured every site was like that as I did nothing special, or did I? Turned out, all those little posts back to my site worked in my favor! I thought I was just killing time.

      BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
      Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon.

      #1 Rule for SEO - Keep it human!
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    • Profile picture of the author cringwall
      What a fantastic thread this is becoming! Thanks for all the fine work, Terry!
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      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
        I've been reading this thread with great interest over the last few weeks - thanks for all the hard work you've put into this project Terry, and thanks for keeping us updated with the results
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    terry this is a great read on here without any bells and whistles you see on some other people's posts, i really like what you are doing, i actully copied one of your tactics on the feedage part to directory on the early page and now my site i used (which is in my sig link)has beaten 44 million webistes on 2 certain keywords, also have backlinked this month with a few warriors help like gang-buster's and just got outscourced up to 1,500 links a month also.

    without your help by this post i'd still be in the dark ages of seo so thank you for this infomation you hold on here you have helped me quite alot

    andy
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  • Profile picture of the author spaxton1
    "BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
    Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon." Ozestretch


    Just going to mention... if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural.

    BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking.

    Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?)

    P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)
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    • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
      You are right about PR not affecting rankings, Jerry West will always update when new PR drops and says look at your rankings and traffic. Most time they are never affected.

      As for your advice on continual backlinking, i know from my own experience you HAVE to. plus i think its common sense.

      I was doing angelas backlink packets for 2 of my main keywords and had #1 for both these keywords for a good 6 months but then "forgot" about these for a couple of months, didnt get any backlinks and then i dropped out of the #1 spot. in one keyword, i dropped to #7. but with more backlinks, gained #1 for both kws again.

      one note here...after getting #1, you do not need to be as aggressive as you were, i call this a maintenance phase.

      Chris

      Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

      "BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
      Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon." Ozestretch


      Just going to mention... if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural.

      BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking.

      Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?)

      P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Gosh - so many things to talk about!

        Incidentally, Article 3, the SENuke driven one is now holding steady at #6 on Page 1 of Google for its search term. That's a little low for traffic though and I've started this second strategy for it from the SENuke forum from Joe (I think), one of the SENuke creators/owners.

        I'm posting it here because I believe it shows the right level of 'microdetail' and may inspire you :

        Here's the steps I have given them, you might find these useful:

        1. Choose a product

        1. Digital Products Retailer: Affiliate Program & Sell Online - ClickBank ->Marketplace->Category->Pick product with grav at least 60
        2. Make sure alexa rank of product is less than 300,000
        3. Look over sales page and make sure it's good. if something has an alexa ranking of less than 100,000 then its good.
        4. Create hoplink->Clickbank nickname = [your clickbank id]
        5. Copy and save the link at the top... called the "affiliate link"

        2. Keyword Research

        1. Brainstorm a keyword that people would use to search for your product.
        2. Open up SEnuke and type that keyword (max 4 words) into SEnuke: "Keyword to research" box.
        3. Search for->Keywords on Google keywords tool.
        4. Type captcha and click "get keyword ideas".
        5. Wait for page to load... make sure keywords are relevant or try another keyword.
        6. Click on "copy keywords for batch research".
        7. Click on "Find competition".
        8. Now you will pick a keyword to target. Make sure difficulty rating is "extremely easy" or "easy". And search count is at least 100. Higher the search count, the better. ALSO, make sure that the keyword has a "Search count for the past month" associated with it. If a keyword has a search count for the previous month, this improves reliability of the average search count (from my experience). Even better, use this trick to find a great keyword: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1121
        9. Also, make sure keyword is relevant.
        10. Double click keyword that is either extremely easy or easy... with highest search count... to copy it to clipboard.
        11. Save this keyword for future reference.

        3. Writing article

        1. SEnuke->Social Network Nuke->Type in keyword at top
        2. "Download article from Ezinearticles"
        3. Go to preview tab.
        4. Keep clicking button until you find an article between 300-400 words.
        5. Read that article, and make sure that you can talk about the product in the article.
        6. Once you find a good article that you can use to promote the product, you will change the article.
        7. Go to "Create spinner article" tab.
        8. Select a sentence, go into "edit box", press Enter after the initial sentence and type in a replacement for that sentence. Type 2 sentence variations and press "Apply". All sentence variations should say the same thing.
        9. Repeat this for the entire article, re-writing every sentence 3 times.
        10. After this, click the "Check Uniqueness" button. Make sure uniqueness is at least 30%.
        11. Copy the "title" into the beginning of the article and add 2 sentence variations. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 appears exactly as it is written in the title of the article, preferably twice. For example: "Phone reversal, Use phone reversal to find out who that cell phone belongs to."
        12. Cut and paste the title out of the article into the "title field" again.
        13. Write a sentence at the top of the article to motivate people to click and go to product sales page.
        14. Right-click on sentence and click on "add link to selected anchor text".
        15. Paste your affiliate link in here.
        16. Now select everything from <a... to </a> and right click and click on "Bold selected text".
        17. Click on "preview sample article" tab to make sure you get a bolded link.
        18. Now copy that link and paste it to the bottom of the article as well.
        19. Find an image to use for the product (like a box cover or something) and add that near the top of the article by right clicking in the article editor and selecting "Add image.." and pasting the image URL. This image can be usually found on the product sales page.
        20. Underneath the image, write 5 key problems that the product solves. Underneath these 5 points, add your affiliate link again, with a "click here" anchor text.
        21. ALSO, near the bottom of the article, write a statement like "Other sites worth checking out".. press Enter and on the next line add this piece of code:
        Quote:
        #randurls[4|1|new line|]#
        This piece of code adds random links to other submissions that you've done in the past, to build backlinks for them.

        19. Think of 5 words to put in tags that are related to your product/article and make SURE that the keyword you chose in step 2 is the first of these words. (separated by comma).
        20. Take your keyword and change it to one word without spaces (copy it into the article body). Re-write this word 4 different times using hyphens, numbers, and letters. The keyword MUST appear in here exactly as you chose it. Click apply and cut and paste this back into the domain field.

        4. Submit article.

        1. Select "blogspot". Make sure nothing else is selected, and click Start.
        2. Wait for captcha and enter it and press continue. Let the program finish.
        3. Click on "copy URL list" after submission is completed, and save this for reference. This is your blog URL.
        4. Go back to the article, delete the link at the top and the link at the bottom.
        5. Now write a sentence at the bottom which is inviting, something like: To perform a reverse cell phone lookup and find out who that number belongs to, please check out this phone reversal website.
        6. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 is in that sentence exactly as it appears. Now add 2 variations to this sentence as well using the edit box.
        7. Right click on the keyword + a couple other words if required and click on "add link to selected anchor text" and paste your blog URL.
        8. Now you are ready to submit the article.
        9. Click on the "select all" checkbox at the top and select appropriate categories for the article. Update: DON'T select the article directories, only the social networking sites.
        10. Then click on "Start!"
        11. If border turns yellow, it wants you to enter the captcha and press "Continue". Use the "pause" feature at the top if you can't enter the captcha easily.
        12. Once submission report comes up click on "Save report" and save it somewhere.
        13. Now click on "Send to pinger". Then click on "Start pinging!" and wait for the pinging to finish.

        5. Submitting social bookmarks and RSS feeds.

        1. Click on "social bookmark nuke" tab. Click on "use sites from last social network nuke submission".
        2. Change setting: Bookmark 2 random websites.
        3. Copy title and tags from social network nuke to social bookmark nuke.
        4. Type a small one or two sentence description. Something like: Ever wanted to know who that certain cell phone number belongs to? Then check this out.
        5. Select all websites, choose a Digg and Propeller category, and click Start!
        6. Make sure you have about 6 browser windows running at the same time by clicking the "New browser" button repetitively. Then click on "Tile Vertically" So that you can see all the windows.
        7. Every time a window turns yellow, click on "Pause" at the top to stop everything and enter the captcha. Then press continue. After entering all the captchas, press Unpause.
        8. Wait for all windows to turn blue.
        9. Click on "Rss nuke" tab.
        10. Copy tags over, change setting to submit 2 RSS feeds.
        11. Click on "use RSS feeds from last social network nuke submission." Make sure all the websites in the website list have to do with your keyword.
        12. Select all the websites, choose categories, and hit Start!
        13. If border turns yellow, enter captcha, and do everything else like you did before. Wait for all windows to turn blue.

        ALL DONE!
        One final step: Go into social network nuke, save project. Now wait about 1 week to start seeing affiliate sales in your clickbank account. Rinse and repeat


        More in next post...
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

          You are right about PR not affecting rankings, Jerry West will always update when new PR drops and says look at your rankings and traffic. Most time they are never affected.

          As for your advice on continual backlinking, i know from my own experience you HAVE to. plus i think its common sense.

          I was doing angelas backlink packets for 2 of my main keywords and had #1 for both these keywords for a good 6 months but then "forgot" about these for a couple of months, didnt get any backlinks and then i dropped out of the #1 spot. in one keyword, i dropped to #7. but with more backlinks, gained #1 for both kws again.

          one note here...after getting #1, you do not need to be as aggressive as you were, i call this a maintenance phase.

          Chris
          Spot on Chris.

          My own theory is that a 'real' authority site would 'naturally' keep attracting backlinks so we must replicate that dynamic.

          The real trick is how we can automate or semi-automate that process because when your portfolio reaches a certain size, maintaining that can consume your life.

          To that end, I have been trialling LinkJuicer on some of my own sites but not seeing a lot of bounce - yet. I'll keep you updated on that along with followers of my SEO Notes emails.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

            if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural.

            BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking.

            Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?)

            P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)
            Yep - see above post on CONTINUED backlinking.

            By the way, that continuation process of backlinking existing sites should be used to add links to new sites or other sites too e.g. put several links on a backlink site at once. Have several sites in motion at once.
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by l23bc View Post

              terry this is a great read on here without any bells and whistles you see on some other people's posts, i really like what you are doing, i actully copied one of your tactics on the feedage part to directory on the early page and now my site i used (which is in my sig link)has beaten 44 million webistes on 2 certain keywords, also have backlinked this month with a few warriors help like gang-buster's and just got outscourced up to 1,500 links a month also.

              without your help by this post i'd still be in the dark ages of seo so thank you for this infomation you hold on here you have helped me quite alot

              andy
              Cool Andy - awesome.

              Even though SEO seems unfathomable at the beginning, just persisting and learning all the little skills involved (like IM generally) will eventually deliver results.

              Persistence is everything.

              Even though I once (in)famously wrote a linkbait post on another forum provocatively entitled, "Why SEO is a complete waste of time for your business" - don't worry, I got loads of really vicious responses, I actually now regard it as the MOST important skill in IM.

              I did actually have a pretty good argument in that post even if it was a bit mischievous.

              Many IMers and Warriors will argue - with merit - that copywriting is THE fundamental skill to focus on first in IM.

              Here's why I politely disagree.

              As we know from some of the absolute trash #1 sites on Google, quality content does not matter at all - for ranking.

              Of course it does matter for conversions, CTR etc BUT not for SERP ranking.

              Google does not and logistically cannot manually evaluate the quality of all sites in its index.

              Instead, Google uses mathematical formulae to figure out who the winner is SERP-wise.

              You may write with the flair of Shakespeare, Tarantino or Vonnegut but nobody will ever read it IF they CANNOT find you. Even a rubbish site with loads of traffic will make some accidental sales or at least some AdSense money. But a brilliant site without traffic and without high SERP rankings is dead in the water. In my opinion.

              SEO first, then work on the writing. I started doing the opposite and went absolutely nowhere.

              Worst of all, failing to see any or much reward for the big time investment of super-high quality content can do something far more damaging: crush your ability to keep going!
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by JDCopper View Post

                Still lovin this thread Terry. Note to those of you who have chimed in on whether or not the domain name is relevant / worthwhile / important, please let me point out that it is your title tag that is winning that keyword, not your domain name. If you want to test it, change your title tag to something else and see if you still rank there after a month. Even better, change another site you have to use that title tag and watch it out rank the one with the domain name, but not the title tag.
                Right on JD. You would need to have a special kind of rocks in your head to NOT have your keyword in the Title!
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by oZestretch View Post

                  This has been a great read so far...

                  One thing about the keyword in domain... I think it is a MUST HAVE when you are not doing much of anything else.

                  If you have little or no unique natural backlinks, then it proves to be a savior!

                  Why/How can I say this?

                  I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP

                  Of course, try altering the order of the words and my site disappears from the ranks. But a half dozen people each day click on me from that search term around the world (shame I keep postponing the release of the product.... oops sorry).

                  You will notice the other 2 do not have it in root domain/sub domain or folder or even page name. Also Mine is not a .com... the dreaded .net (but that is a separate debate)

                  So yes, do all of them if you can (but can't always get keywords in root domain without going with a crazy long domain name ).

                  My 2.2 cents (damn GST)
                  Thanks for sharing Oz.

                  I do genuinely hope your venture there succeeds.

                  I took a look at traffic for that exact term and it is very low - 12 for September in Australia and 880 globally.

                  However, I don't say this to discredit your ranking Oz. In fact, a small traffic number can be VERY lucrative when targeted effectively. Eben Pagan once said your niche might only have 8 people in the world BUT those 8 might be VERY hungry for material and a good living can be made from them.

                  Allen Says (founder of the Warrior Forum if you don't know!) has mentioned in the War Room how he happily pays THOUSANDS of dollars for specialised types of short reports.

                  Food for thought huh?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by esh View Post

                    Terry,
                    Did you use xrumer program to create those 12000 backlinks overnight? 'cause i heard people say its a spam tool that goes around creating links on all types of forums, blogs, guest books, photo galleries etc and can create 30,000 backlinks in 6 hrs. But the tool is expensive at $540!

                    Regarding, backlinking platform that's on your mind, if you get to do one, i will be your first customer
                    Hi E,

                    I didn't use XRumer (don't know that program).

                    I used a service from fellow Warrior Dan Tierney and Steve Morgan from Simple Leveraging System.

                    Here's a video link of the process:
                    http://simpleleveraging.com/promotions/videos/seoslsstyle091019.mp4

                    I purchased 1200 links for $100 with an additional 10 tags for each link with a maximum potential of 12000 links. Hopefully the video explains the process.

                    This was on a brand new GoArticle in the same niche. I'll report its ranking progress.

                    If I get sustained ranking position from it on that GoArticle, I'll blitz a few more of my sites with it.

                    The big question mark for this process (it's good to think about the downside of ANY approach you use and try to work around it) is whether Web 2.0 properties can deliver STABLE high rankings and ultimately, even if there are 12000 backlinks, they 'only' come from 400 sites, not 12,000 different sites...

                    Let's see!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                      Originally Posted by J smith View Post

                      Great thread Terry, lots of great info here.

                      As for goarticle's signature box not delivering any hops, I find GA's ctr for the resource box is horrible compared to other 2 article directories I use. We are talking like 10% of EA's ctr for the exact same article. Not sure why it is that way, but that's been my experience with GA.

                      I am curious how you are going to make 15000 links
                      Interesting J and it's knowing those little details (e.g. which article directories do have good CTR AND conversion from the Bio Box) which can make a MASSIVE difference in IM.

                      See my previous post for those thousands of links.
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                    • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
                      Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                      Hi E,

                      I didn't use XRumer (don't know that program).

                      I used a service from fellow Warrior Dan Tierney and Steve Morgan from Simple Leveraging System.

                      Here's a video link of the process:
                      http://simpleleveraging.com/promotions/videos/seoslsstyle091019.mp4

                      I purchased 1200 links for $100 with an additional 10 tags for each link with a maximum potential of 12000 links. Hopefully the video explains the process.

                      This was on a brand new GoArticle in the same niche. I'll report its ranking progress.

                      If I get sustained ranking position from it on that GoArticle, I'll blitz a few more of my sites with it.

                      The big question mark for this process (it's good to think about the downside of ANY approach you use and try to work around it) is whether Web 2.0 properties can deliver STABLE high rankings and ultimately, even if there are 12000 backlinks, they 'only' come from 400 sites, not 12,000 different sites...

                      Let's see!
                      Hi Terry:

                      I'm reading and following while i get my site content in. From a previous post I gather that just having content on your site and working on making it excellent should be a priority, but not the top priority when you start. As yes I've seen sites that are junkie, don't offer much, loaded with adds, but are on P 1 of G. So I'm redoing my thinking on that and just getting my content in just making it logical and working on making the site better as I go.

                      Getting traffic after you have your site up and something (rateable and intelligent to your topic) on it should be the priority #1.

                      Okay that brings me to this post of yours. I'm am lost on several points.
                      1) People seem to be backlinking articles vs. their site, why is that?
                      2) People seem to be bookmarking articles vs. their site, why is that?
                      3) I'm not understanding this RSS feed distribution over Big Mikes RSS autobot, isn't it the same thing?
                      4) I am interested in buying your backlink black belt because you say you teach HOW to find sites for backlink purposes. Long term as I build out my sites that would be a good thing to know as I have 4 main ideas for sites that go along with my interest that I would like to develop. BUT do you teach how to backlink? Meaning I think A&P do good but I found I was missing a key thing when I was backlinking from them, so I stopped for awhile and started working on my site because I didn't want to ruin the process.
                      5) Is it better to do an article or site for backlinking? Why?


                      Thanks
                      Desiree

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                      • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                        Desiree--

                        I guess you didn't like my answer already on your topic of article versus domain?

                        Note that your questions #1 and 2 are the same thing. Social bookmarking is just 1 type of backlinking.

                        Its fairly straightforward. Lets say that I want to target the longtail keyword "how to lose weight while sitting on the couch watching TV". I really want to get it to the top of google as fast as I can.

                        The fastest way to do that is by putting it as an article on one of the very top article directories and throw a few backlinks at it. This will generally get ranked much faster than trying to rank for the article on your own site.

                        Now, if there was a lot of volume to your keyword, OR, more likely, you were to build up more of a niche website having to do with losing weight (dealing with many articles dealing with losing weight), it would probably pay to add that article to your own website and domain, as then you won't be at the whims of the article directories. But note, you will generally need significantly more backlinks to a new domain of yours then you would if you were to put the same exact article on say, GoArticles.

                        I think the "autobots" are the good Transformers, right?:rolleyes: I assume you are referring to RSSbot, which is one of several good pieces of software that distributes RSS feeds to the top aggregators. The RSS module within SENuke and the RSS module within Brute Force SEO (soon to be EVO II) are two other RSS distributors.



                        Originally Posted by desireeaib View Post

                        Hi Terry:

                        I'm reading and following while i get my site content in. From a previous post I gather that just having content on your site and working on making it excellent should be a priority, but not the top priority when you start. As yes I've seen sites that are junkie, don't offer much, loaded with adds, but are on P 1 of G. So I'm redoing my thinking on that and just getting my content in just making it logical and working on making the site better as I go.

                        Getting traffic after you have your site up and something (rateable and intelligent to your topic) on it should be the priority #1.

                        Okay that brings me to this post of yours. I'm am lost on several points.
                        1) People seem to be backlinking articles vs. their site, why is that?
                        2) People seem to be bookmarking articles vs. their site, why is that?
                        3) I'm not understanding this RSS feed distribution over Big Mikes RSS autobot, isn't it the same thing?
                        4) I am interested in buying your backlink black belt because you say you teach HOW to find sites for backlink purposes. Long term as I build out my sites that would be a good thing to know as I have 4 main ideas for sites that go along with my interest that I would like to develop. BUT do you teach how to backlink? Meaning I think A&P do good but I found I was missing a key thing when I was backlinking from them, so I stopped for awhile and started working on my site because I didn't want to ruin the process.
                        5) Is it better to do an article or site for backlinking? Why?


                        Thanks
                        Desiree

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                        • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
                          Actually I was posting questions as I went. Just finished up and got to page 8!!! So I did read it but not realizing I asked the same questions 2x.

                          Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

                          Desiree--

                          I guess you didn't like my answer already on your topic of article versus domain?

                          Note that your questions #1 and 2 are the same thing. Social bookmarking is just 1 type of backlinking.

                          Its fairly straightforward. Lets say that I want to target the longtail keyword "how to lose weight while sitting on the couch watching TV". I really want to get it to the top of google as fast as I can.

                          The fastest way to do that is by putting it as an article on one of the very top article directories and throw a few backlinks at it. This will generally get ranked much faster than trying to rank for the article on your own site.

                          Now, if there was a lot of volume to your keyword, OR, more likely, you were to build up more of a niche website having to do with losing weight (dealing with many articles dealing with losing weight), it would probably pay to add that article to your own website and domain, as then you won't be at the whims of the article directories. But note, you will generally need significantly more backlinks to a new domain of yours then you would if you were to put the same exact article on say, GoArticles.

                          I think the "autobots" are the good Transformers, right?:rolleyes: I assume you are referring to RSSbot, which is one of several good pieces of software that distributes RSS feeds to the top aggregators. The RSS module within SENuke and the RSS module within Brute Force SEO (soon to be EVO II) are two other RSS distributors.
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  • Profile picture of the author bayusyerli
    I wonder how the result.. by the way, this is my first posting.. Hope i can learn to get great traffic at this forum..
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  • Profile picture of the author capone2009
    bayusyerli, welcome, you are just at the right place

    Terry, this thread is really great, I also subscribed to your newsletter.
    It is really cool to have someone to test all the different things in case of seo.
    Thanks for this, really appreciate your efforts
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    • Profile picture of the author Rachel Zaouche
      Hi Terry

      Thank you so much for this great thread. I am learning loads and cant wait to see what your end result is. I have also subscribed to your newsletter.

      All the best

      Rach
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  • Profile picture of the author tijay
    Thanks so much for this awesome thread! I visit everyday for updates.

    Question: Is there a link or a thread where we may be able to order the same 1200 links that you have ordered?

    "I purchased 1200 links for $100 with an additional 10 tags for each link with a maximum potential of 12000 links. Hopefully the video explains the process."

    TiJay
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  • Profile picture of the author samcarson
    Terry, I saw the video but could not find a link to order those 1200 backlinks, I will appreciate if you can post the WSO

    Thanks

    Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author spaxton1
    Terry,
    I'm just curious if you can give a report on the number of backlinks posted on each of the 4 tests and their current serps rankings and opinions concerning their rank, etc.

    Also, can you tell us what your thoughts are on the following:
    1) Is it better to place all backlinks with the exact anchor text: "Keyword" i.e. "Dog Training"
    2) Is it better to switch up the anchor text so that it looks more natural? Even if you are trying to rank for a specific keyword. i.e. "Dog Traning" for 20 links "Dog Books" for 5 links "Dog Education" 5 links.

    It seems that there is confusion on this. In your opinion does it matter? Some say doing option one will create a footprint that google may someday detect and in turn penalize or filter those links. On the other hand, some say to stick with specific keywords only and to not waste valuable linking juice on non-optimized keywords.

    I'd love to see what you think about this... and other warriors too!

    P.S. Thanks for doing the project! I've been glued to it since day one-- yup, subscribed to the newsletter too!
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    • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
      here are my thoughts.. better to add modifiers to your main keyword... ie.. dog training also use... buy dog training..dog training online.. just do keyword research and see what people are typing before and after your main keyword phrase. these are usually very easy to rank for. i have one site where i have #1 rankings for over a dozen different variations. ive also have top 3-4 rankings on reversal of keyword... training dog.

      i know alot of people say to create a new page for training dog but i stumbled upon this when i started to see that kw rise in the rankings when i started to get links for the main phrase so i then started to get more backlinks with the reverse order and it started to rise again. havent got the #1 for that reversal yet but doing a test and see if it works.

      chris


      Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

      Terry,
      I'm just curious if you can give a report on the number of backlinks posted on each of the 4 tests and their current serps rankings and opinions concerning their rank, etc.

      Also, can you tell us what your thoughts are on the following:
      1) Is it better to place all backlinks with the exact anchor text: "Keyword" i.e. "Dog Training"
      2) Is it better to switch up the anchor text so that it looks more natural? Even if you are trying to rank for a specific keyword. i.e. "Dog Traning" for 20 links "Dog Books" for 5 links "Dog Education" 5 links.

      It seems that there is confusion on this. In your opinion does it matter? Some say doing option one will create a footprint that google may someday detect and in turn penalize or filter those links. On the other hand, some say to stick with specific keywords only and to not waste valuable linking juice on non-optimized keywords.

      I'd love to see what you think about this... and other warriors too!

      P.S. Thanks for doing the project! I've been glued to it since day one-- yup, subscribed to the newsletter too!
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    I'm still surprised to find that you are getting the best results from the cheapest WSO program being the non related back links for your SERP results. This is such great info so that people aren't jumping at any chance to waste money with certain programs. I do feel that after running my own experiments that perhaps 60 days isn't enough time to do what you're trying to accomplish. I'm sure that your results will have a huge difference after some more time.
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  • Profile picture of the author spaxton1
    Seems awfully quiet around here... is this thread still active?
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    he might be working on his new WSO release.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Sorry about delay in updating - lots of new things going on and different things to share.

      Before I do all that, let's have a quick look at the latest CB Analytics:




      Now SENuke which has gotten its article to a seemingly stable #6 on Google so far has chimed with a sale from just 5 hops. Nice.

      Interestingly that has come from the link WITHIN the body of the GoArticle.

      GoArticle 1 is snoozing on Page 3 at the moment so not really delivering the hops.

      GoArticle 2 (Relevant Links Only) - the biggest disappointment so far - has only just been indexed FINALLY and is not in the top 10 pages of Google for its search term. It has about the same number of backlinks now as GA #1.

      The new WP blog is still nowhere except at #31 on Live (I'm using RankChecker for that measurement).

      Test 7 has brought in 1 hop so far but there's more to that as will be discussed below.

      Now 1 sale from 5 hops seems really promising but this may have been a fluke and might not be sustained but it does suggest that money can be made from low traffic. If it can deliver that sort of result consistently from a #6 position, it should be doing really well at #1.

      In fact, if that GoArticle was not a part of this experiment, I would now be throwing every possible backlinking resource I could at it!

      One quick other point I want to add is this:

      If you are struggling to find new angles for different articles in the same niche, consider these approaches (as I partly did in this test as you will see later in the experiment):

      (1) a straight, formal, factual, informative article with clearly defined SPECIFIC problem/s and SPECIFIC solution/s (Eben Pagan is brilliant on this point!);

      (2) a first-person narrative of a character who has solved their problem using the CB vendor's product BUT try to keep it real-ish and make her/him quite skeptical;

      (3) Write from the perspective of the VILLAIN e.g. a cheating husband glad that his wife doesn't know about reverse phone lookup and will never check his cell; or from the perspective of a panic attack and give it a mischievous persona;

      (4) An advice column response with the 'letter' and the agony aunt response;

      (5) a Q & A of a leading 'expert' or doctor on a subject (with bolded questions and unbolded responses).

      Plus, any other different format from a magazine or newspapers.

      To be honest, I'm not sure how these fit with these new FTC regs in the US but hopefully that's given you some food for thought.

      Answers to questions (I'll try to get every last one answered in this session) in the next post/s here!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

        Seems awfully quiet around here... is this thread still active?
        You betcha.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

          he might be working on his new WSO release.
          My new SEO Masterclass audio interview series - more on that soon Bruce...er TurboHips (should I ask?)!

          Terry,
          On a side note to this email I would suggest that people create the accounts and post a few comments and wait a few weeks for the posts to fall off of radar. Once it has then add your signatures to the profiles and they will now show up without risking getting booted by the moderators. This is something that I practice and I haven't been booted yet. Hope that helps.
          Turbohips


          Indeed Bruce - I do recommend that in my Report but that 'Forum Clustering' technique I recommended to my subscribers yesterday is trying to get around that hassle.

          Thanks for joining in!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

            I'm still surprised to find that you are getting the best results from the cheapest WSO program being the non related back links for your SERP results. This is such great info so that people aren't jumping at any chance to waste money with certain programs. I do feel that after running my own experiments that perhaps 60 days isn't enough time to do what you're trying to accomplish. I'm sure that your results will have a huge difference after some more time.
            See above for the latest TH and I do recommend a 3-month 'timetable of expectation' with backlinking.

            I'm happy to continue documenting the results into a third month to be (sort of) fair to the later 'secret' tests too.

            Party on!
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

              here are my thoughts.. better to add modifiers to your main keyword... ie.. dog training also use... buy dog training..dog training online.. just do keyword research and see what people are typing before and after your main keyword phrase. these are usually very easy to rank for. i have one site where i have #1 rankings for over a dozen different variations. ive also have top 3-4 rankings on reversal of keyword... training dog.

              i know alot of people say to create a new page for training dog but i stumbled upon this when i started to see that kw rise in the rankings when i started to get links for the main phrase so i then started to get more backlinks with the reverse order and it started to rise again. havent got the #1 for that reversal yet but doing a test and see if it works.

              chris
              Great input Chris - as usual!

              In keyword research (not my favourite part of IM), I usually skip straight to 3, 4 and even 5 word EXACT keyword phrases.

              In my experience, 1 or 2 word phrases are usually just too competitive (though I'm at #5 on Google for my Amazon book on "photography competitions") but that's more the exception than the rule.

              Reverse order is an interesting tactic and I'm sure Chris checked out the search volume to justify going after that term.

              Misspellings are another fertile avenue of keyword research and don't forget that Google treats singular and plural versions of the same keyword as different terms e.g. red ferrari and red ferraris are considered two different terms (but from memory Yahoo treats them as one).
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

                Terry,
                I'm just curious if you can give a report on the number of backlinks posted on each of the 4 tests and their current serps rankings and opinions concerning their rank, etc.

                Also, can you tell us what your thoughts are on the following:
                1) Is it better to place all backlinks with the exact anchor text: "Keyword" i.e. "Dog Training"
                2) Is it better to switch up the anchor text so that it looks more natural? Even if you are trying to rank for a specific keyword. i.e. "Dog Traning" for 20 links "Dog Books" for 5 links "Dog Education" 5 links.

                It seems that there is confusion on this. In your opinion does it matter? Some say doing option one will create a footprint that google may someday detect and in turn penalize or filter those links. On the other hand, some say to stick with specific keywords only and to not waste valuable linking juice on non-optimized keywords.

                I'd love to see what you think about this... and other warriors too!

                P.S. Thanks for doing the project! I've been glued to it since day one-- yup, subscribed to the newsletter too!
                I'm just curious if you can give a report on the number of backlinks posted on each of the 4 tests and their current serps rankings and opinions concerning their rank, etc.

                Covered some of this above SP but will put that together pretty soon in a table of some sort.

                1) Is it better to place all backlinks with the exact anchor text: "Keyword" i.e. "Dog Training"
                2) Is it better to switch up the anchor text so that it looks more natural? Even if you are trying to rank for a specific keyword. i.e. "Dog Traning" for 20 links "Dog Books" for 5 links "Dog Education" 5 links.

                It seems that there is confusion on this. In your opinion does it matter?


                Good question and a topic of hot debate in SEO circles. In my SEO Masterclass interview with Andy Fletcher this morning - awesome discussion by the way, he's a cool guy, but more on that soon - he expressed the view that the same anchor text for all links is fine for low competition keywords.

                With higher competition keywords, he believes that 'natural' variation should be present.

                I normally recommend sticking with your exact anchor text and if you check high ranking sites across a bunch of niches, you will see that they have followed this strategy. However, other high ranking sites do not and vary their anchor text significantly.

                Far from saying that the anchor-text-variators are 'wrong' (they're ranking so they are clearly not wrong), I have been really happy with my anchor-text-exact approach results so far and will stick with that until it ceases to be effective.

                If Andy Fletcher is right, then exact anchor text backlinks are fine BECAUSE I feel that at the level of IM we are at, we should only be going after low-ish competition keywords.

                This might sound like a lack of ambition but it's just the easier path to money in IM.

                Yes I could go after 'weight loss' with its 300,000 exact match searchers a month but I have to beat some HEAVYWEIGHT players on that exact keyword to get any money out of it. That would take major effort, time and money.

                What you can also do is create different variations of anchor text that ALL contain the unbroken keyword phrase e.g.

                Keyword phrase: cheap stereo deals

                Anchor text variations: best new cheap stereo deals, cheap stereo deals today, check out these cheap stereo deals etc.

                P.S. Thanks for doing the project! I've been glued to it since day one-- yup, subscribed to the newsletter too!

                Good stuff! Have you tried that Forum Clustering technique I talked about yesterday? Tell me when you do and the results you get!
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by samcarson View Post

                  Terry, I saw the video but could not find a link to order those 1200 backlinks, I will appreciate if you can post the WSO

                  Thanks

                  Sam
                  Esh kindly answered this one. Thanks E.

                  By the way, you don't have to flog only GoArticles either (which I'm SO guilty of) - I am seeing Buzzle and Articlesbase ranking pretty well now too on Google. Just keep in mind that these are vulnerable properties unlike your own website.

                  Articlesbase may require a redirect from a page on a domain you own to the CB vendor (no direct aff links) but just create a new page on an existing site of yours with a 1 second redirection and call the new page file your keyword.

                  Let me know if you want the HTML code for that and I'll post it here.

                  If they insist on just a top level domain, get one of those cheap .info deals (EZA users will be familiar with this approach).
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by Rachel Zaouche View Post

                    Hi Terry

                    Thank you so much for this great thread. I am learning loads and cant wait to see what your end result is. I have also subscribed to your newsletter.

                    All the best

                    Rach
                    Thanks Rachel - you should also try to create (where technically possible) little Link Cascades with that Forum Clustering approach too. I don't think I mentioned that in my haste to write that last newsletter. Shame on me!
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                    • Profile picture of the author arttse
                      Hi Terry

                      Great thread.

                      If you set up a blank page so that you can redirect users to your affiliate site can you get backlinks on your website (blank page) if you build backlinks via article marketing using anchor texts?

                      If so, do you have any tips how to optimise your blank page to avoid being sand boxed by google?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                        Originally Posted by arttse View Post

                        Hi Terry

                        Great thread.

                        If you set up a blank page so that you can redirect users to your affiliate site can you get backlinks on your website (blank page) if you build backlinks via article marketing using anchor texts?

                        If so, do you have any tips how to optimise your blank page to avoid being sand boxed by google?
                        Hiya A,

                        Thank you.

                        This redirect page should NOT be backlinked at all. It is just a means of observing ArticlesBase's (which I need to try to confirm all this) TOS and getting your prospect to the CB vendor's page with your hoplink ID.

                        Though I don't use any redirects at the moment (such as from EZA to a .info page that automatically redirects to a CB hoplink), in theory it shouldn't be a problem if thousands of EZA articles use .info redirects.

                        These .info (or .com or .net or .org but .info domains are much cheaper) redirect pages may have some content there but the redirect is completely obvious to Google.

                        However, I'd love to hear from the EZA veterans here on their views because it just isn't something I normally use (it is not an issue with GoArticles).

                        Not sure if I fully answered your question there A so rephrase it if I didn't get it - could be my body's need for coffee messing with my mind!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

                      Yes please ....we all want to know your usual backlinking strategy
                      Sorry I missed this one LBD...though after I tell you, I will have to kill you...

                      Better still, I'll share SOME pretty fundamental ones and let you live...

                      [1] Exact anchor text backlinks only

                      [2] On a website (not article), I install a WP blog in a subfolder from main domain and then backlink ONLY to one WP inner page for ONE keyword term (change the WP settings to 1 post per page)

                      Why?

                      Because this gives me a shot at a 'double listing' as quite often both inner page AND homepage are bracketed by Google e.g.


                      [3] Hit a keyword term with MULTIPLE backlinked Web properties at once to lock up more of the screen real estate e.g.

                      - Money site
                      - GoArticle
                      - YouTube video
                      - Metacafe video
                      - Blogger blog
                      - Ezinearticle

                      Now to be honest, many of my secondary sites have fallen off Page 1 (apart from the Money Site) over the past month or so because of my lack of backlinking of them but I can rebuild them by not being so lazy with them.

                      This approach obviously grabs more traffic but blocks out competitors too.

                      [4] I do not bother at all with backlinks from Blog Commenting. Bloggers are sick to death of linkspammers and IF your link is approved, will it stand up to the webmaster/blogger 'tidying up' one day and getting rid of those spammy links?

                      [5] I do not write endless (unbacklinked) articles hoping and praying that somehow one of them will become virally popular.

                      Instead, I write just a few and backlink them all like there's no tomorrow (but keep doing it for a MINIMUM of 3 months).

                      Any unbacklinked web property you own is either dead in the water or about to start fading out. Real authority sites have and keep getting backlinks so your should too.

                      There's other stuff I do but that should get you real results IF your 'timetable of expectations' is realistic.

                      By the way, if you want to join my free SEO Notes newsletter and can't find the link, it's here.

                      I'll talk more shortly about a change in Test 7 and my correspondence with Steve Morgan from Simple Leveraging - very helpful guy by the way.

                      Tomorrow I'll talk more about my SEO Masterclass Interviews which kicked off with a 2 hour discussion of the latest SEO tactics, techniques and shortcuts with Andy Fletcher from www.backlinkflood.com this morning (I've read his SEO Guide, it's very good too!)...

                      More coming soon and good to be back!
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                      • Profile picture of the author tclendaniel
                        Just so you know, your links to the sign up page for your newsletter works, but on the sign up page itself, there's no "form below" to use to actually allow us to register. :-( Is there an alternative way?
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Thanks terry for the Andy Fletcher's guide recommendation. I just purchased his Backlinkflood.com and hope to value from it
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    i just wanna tell this - i researched 100 keywords based on micro niche finder and market samurai for 19 different niches on clickbank. Ordered 100 articles, which are getting done from humanrewriter.com. Once i have them all, i submit to goarticles direct linking to vendor site.

    i create a feed using feedage html to rss converter for all 100 articles and submit them with rssbot.

    i then submit all the 100 links to 2500 (25 sites x 100 accounts) social bookmarking accounts i have using social bot. Feed Blitz 'em all with rssbot!

    Then create 50 links from angela's backlink packets of PR8-9 sites. I already created 950 (19 profiles x 50 sites) accounts using seolinkdominator tool. Used http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/gen-random-us-us.php to generate all the profile info for 19 profiles.

    grab the feed and submit using rssbot.

    create 100 link wheels using senuke. Bookmark all the links and grab all the feeds and submit using rssbot.

    Grab the entire feedlist and create a gaint feed out of it using yahoo pipes and submit them again. I am done now! That's a setup phase.

    from that month onwards, i create 90 links each month for all the articles. Till i get on first 3 spot, and then continuing the process to maintain the ranking.

    if all articles make 1 sale @ $20 average commission, i hope to make $2000 with $500 investment! If this becomes a recurring income say $1000 a month, i can then repeat the process till i make $100 a day. These are short - medium term capital gains.

    I also own a site that i backlink using james martell's PAD technique that is the long term income stream, which i aim to make $100k in a year!

    That's all what i am working on now lol. This thread inspired me to make such plans and hence i am giving it back to the community!

    Hope this post helps!

    i will update my earnings details in this thread

    Best,
    Esh
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    • Profile picture of the author J smith
      Guess Terry has inspired me too!

      Wrote a GoArticle with a clickbank affiliate links in it. Going to put up 50 backlinks to it every week, as well as some blog commenting (though the niche isn't really inviting to blog commenting) and a link wheel or two. See how it ranks (it is a rather competitive niche with competitive keyword) and I'll keep you updated on my progress!

      So far google doesn't wantto index it after some bookmarking and a few links.
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      • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
        Originally Posted by J smith View Post

        Guess Terry has inspired me too!

        Wrote a GoArticle with a clickbank affiliate links in it. Going to put up 50 backlinks to it every week, as well as some blog commenting (though the niche isn't really inviting to blog commenting) and a link wheel or two. See how it ranks (it is a rather competitive niche with competitive keyword) and I'll keep you updated on my progress!

        So far google doesn't wantto index it after some bookmarking and a few links.
        Thought I might chip in with my 2 pence worth here. First of all I will declare my self interest so as not to give anyone any false ideas. I am working with Terry on one of his tests. Only spoken to Terry once and I hope it will be the first of many times as I found him to be an extremely likeable, knowledgeable and "helpful bloke" (as they say in these parts - was that OK Terry, where do I send my invoice? :-)) so I guess for any newbies looking in on this stream you will discover lots of useful information and some real nuggets so my recomendation would be to print off the entire stream and use as background notes.

        For what it's worth and I have to add the caveat here that our initial results are very non scientific at the moment But I have the sneaky feeling that Go Articles is operating some sort of Filter at the moment as it is taking an inordinately and very unusally long time to get articles indexed and crawled at the moment.

        Now I know this is going to be a bit of a downer for those looking at Go Articles as source of quick coverage but I think at the moment that this is not happening. I suspect that it might have something to do either with running types of affiliate links in the articles or actually running any type of affiliate link at all.

        Go Articles effectively publishes straight away (or at least it does as far as its own directory is concerned) and therein I believe lies its problem. It could effectively be abused by some of the more less than scrupulous amongst this community and I think it might have been slapped or certainly been dealt with in the latest Google Update. I think this delay in the indexing as far as Google is concerned has something to do with the inclusion of certain types of links in articles or indeed it may just be a blanket delay and some form of Google downgrading.

        We are looking at a number of articles that should have surfaced by now and some 12 days after publishing have still not surfaced.

        There are I believe other better options around at the moment (and not just ezine articles either).
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        • Profile picture of the author J smith
          Yes, I'll agree with the above, GoArticles take forever to get indexedor show up in serps compared to EA or articlesbase. Also after over a hundred articles on GA none of them show up as backlinks in either yahoo's site explorer or backlinkwatcher. Not sure why it is that way.

          Could be an interesting eperiment to run a similar article on EA and GA and see which one does better in the end.
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          • Profile picture of the author marlon
            Hey,

            At your recommendation I bought Backlink Flood.

            Backlink Flood and theseomethod (another warrior) are terrific. I'm glad you
            recommended it.

            The individual methods in it are good but I think the overall picture is gives is more important.

            I see a LOT of people using ALL backlink methods DIRECT to their money site. If you're doing THAT, you need to read these products. I'm not an seo person. Affilate marketing is mostly my Game. But I have to say that I think these guys know what they're talking about.

            Terry, why don't you produce an info product on your "standard" backlink method that you described. You know, create a dummy account while recording it with Camtasia.

            And then maybe show some real world results of what you've done with that method over time (blurring the domain and identifying info).

            I'd buy it. I imagine others would also.

            I like the experiments here a lOT. And I think people would pay for the method you've already tested and proven. And maybe a little private site where you update your tweaks each month and cover new developments.

            Marlon
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    Glad you guys have enjoyed Backlink Flood

    I had great fun doing the SEO Masterclass Interview with Terry. We were aiming for 30-40 minutes and ended up with something over an hour and a half.

    And I just want to say props to Terry for running this absolutely awesome thread. I don't know where he finds time on top of everything else the guy does.

    Cheers,

    Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenK
    Andy,

    Is BackLink Flood an automated "software" program?

    Thanks,

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Very short on time at the moment (it's Saturday night - party on!) and will respond to lots of things above BUT wanted to add this bit of extra value to the thread:

      After a pretty thorough blitz, this GoArticle of mine for a term with (supposedly) 2400 unique searches a month has gotten (back) to #1 (it has been there before but neglect is a cruel master):


      The link to that GoArticle is here and this is the pretty much the format I'm using for the 'secret' niche - though this article is shorter (you don't need 500 words after all?) and I don't use those makeshift arrows in those.

      I'm targeting the phrase: how to deal with panic attacks

      Yes, this thread is now officially turning into The Angela Experiment.

      I've also added new hoplinks from the CB experiment account to this article so we can track that info there too.

      Enjoy!

      And thanks for the support above.

      By the way, in the relevant link in my signature you can hear a free extract of about 12 minutes from my interview with Andy (it's worth listening to just that if nothing else).
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
      Originally Posted by Steve-K View Post

      Andy,

      Is BackLink Flood an automated "software" program?

      Thanks,

      Steve
      Backlink Flood contains tons of backlink building strategies and includes software to speed up keyword research and an article spinner. But there is no automated backlink building stuff in there.

      Cheers,

      Andy

      PS: Can I politely request that any other BLF questions are PM'd to me. I don't want Terry's ace thread getting hijacked by pre-sales questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news but... you were #2 on my search

    Good job.
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    • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news but... you were #2 on my search

      Good job.
      #1 for me. I am going to have to by a copycat and copy your intro external link format from your goarticles I think
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Yep, still a little bounce between #1 and #2. Some hops starting to come through on the new CB links.

        Before covering questions and issues, I wanted to discuss a kind of new SEO method I want to try out - let me stress that I haven't tried this myself yet!

        I shared a cruder version of this with my free SEO Notes Newsletter subscribers a few days ago but this is more detailed (I'll CC it to them too) as I've been thinking it through in my "free time" (I gotta get a real life!).

        If we are to believe that PageRank is everything for backlinks (and without it, there isn't much to go on apart from relevant sites and in this experiment, that ain't going so well), what we have to try to reduce is what I call, the PR Escalator Effect.

        What on earth is that?

        It's how the homepage (at the top of the 'escalator') has a PR7, the next subfolder (or 'escalator step') down is PR5, one beneath that is lower etc etc.

        How can we get around that (actually I am working on a pretty good solution for it but that won't be available until Q1 2010) descending PR within a site that we are plastering our links on.

        Homepage backlinks with the highest PR cost a fortune to 'rent' (hundreds of dollars per month per link from what I have seen) so for now this is the method I (or you!) am trying (apart from the usual tactics outlined above in this thread).

        In the new version of my WSO (yeah yeah Terry, it still isn't ready...) which is coming, there is a PR10 forum but this should work with PR9 and PR8 forums from my 'old' WSO Report. I'll explain why their PR matters in a moment.

        We are going to laser target one PR9 (or PR10 from the new report version) as a single 'Pumper Site'.

        The other very high 5 forum sites (could be any number but let's keep it small and manageable) will have profile links to BOTH the pumper site AND the Money Site but NOT to each other.

        It will look like this in my pretty crude bubbl.us schematic:


        This approach relies on being able to put AT LEAST 2 links in the profile of the high PR 'Feeder Sites', that they all be dofollow of course and that they are publicly viewable. The URL should also NOT suggest that are profiles are 39 folders down, underneath the basement!

        One weakness of this system is that if the Pumper Site account is disabled, a new one will need to be created and added - however, the small number of sites that we are working with would make that pretty fast.

        The absence of 'sideways' links between the Feeder Sites is crucial (apparently) as Linkwheels (more like clusters than wheels actually) now are too easily detected by Google.

        Here we are creating a mini-network of very high PR and "TrustRank" (thanks Steve from SLS for that concept) sites feeding the pumper Authority profile on a PR10 (homepage only) site.

        Though I haven't tried this myself (and would love to hear from those who have), we could even hyperlink commas and full stops in the signature files of the Feeder Sites to the Pumper Site and Money Site (ultra high PR Forums are pretty sensitive to spamming - part of how they got their high PR in the first place) so this seems way safer than the good old "How To Get Your Ex Back" (sorry Travis) anchor-text backlink in a sig file on a forum about SQL programming.

        By linking ONLY punctuation marks, we can then actually participate in the forum with sig link to a legitimate authority article in Newsweek/CNN etc (but the full stop/period is actually linked to our Pumper Site or Money Site (preferably both).

        Participate by just asking questions - this works well (look at the Warrior Forum) e.g.

        "I know this seems like a dumb question but how long should it usually take for a SQL compile to complete?

        Thanks in advance"

        This example assumes that the thread was about a SQL compile (if such a thing exists). Hopefully, you get the idea.

        One of our secondary goals is to make that Pumper Site profile look like it belongs to a genuine expert whose profile page lives in a VERY good link neighbourhood.

        Feeder sites must be indexed (of course) and have some degree of backlinking (or do they?).

        I am always looking for more efficient ways of doing things and this approach might be powerful (may need more Feeder sites of course).

        Now, back to the PR Escalator Effect.

        To minimise that, we should start from the highest possible escalator 'first step' and you can't do much better than PR10 or 9.

        If you make a fortune with this method, remember you owe me a 50% cut!

        Time has run out - again - I'm afraid, but keep your questions, thoughts and contributions coming!

        I'm trying to get to all the PMs, emails and posts here (I need more Virtual Assistants!)
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Another tip i would like to share here, if you find any Pr5-7 profile pages on propeller, or digg or whatever and its been inactive, contact that person and ask if they are willing to sell it. Recently i bought 5 Pr 7 profiles for $250 and its linkjuice are immense value, because as those profiles are related to your niche Eg. the owner of the profile was linking to his blog -> "Shoot potato gun upto 50 ft" (weird eg. lol) and its effective if you own a site, so you can get all the linkjuice to your properties instead for a parasite content.

    Also another way to get your profile sites indexed is use a method called "whitehat url injection"
    i know you are thinking about XSS exploit, which is a BlueFart, this is really not that. This is purely white hat. There was a WSO called speedy backlinks, i dont remember the link for that, but you can get it from seomy.net. What you can do is append your go articles links and profile links onto their "query" links which gets you a link. This got me about 50 links and got indexed my goarticles and profile site indexed in 2 days. But the method that wso suggest is use a url opener service which you have to manually open the url every time. But you can make it as a img tag and use a perl script to open 1000 links in 30 min.

    Hope it helps

    my 1.99 cents

    Best,
    Esh
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    • Profile picture of the author Charley Brown
      Definitely interesting idea... but it is time quite time consuming to find inactive accounts..

      Originally Posted by esh View Post

      Another tip i would like to share here, if you find any Pr5-7 profile pages on propeller, or digg or whatever and its been inactive, contact that person and ask if they are willing to sell it. Recently i bought 5 Pr 7 profiles for $250 and its linkjuice are immense value, because as they are related to your niche and its effective if you own a site, so you can get all the linkjuice to your properties instead for a parasite content.

      Hope it helps

      my 1.99 cents

      Best,
      Esh
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      • Profile picture of the author esh
        Originally Posted by Charley Brown View Post

        Definitely interesting idea... but it is time quite time consuming to find inactive accounts..
        you just have to search for profiles first. Say propeller, search for propeller.com/members and then find all the profiles. See which has got the high PR and then use a perl script to scrap the number of years they have been active and when was the last comment made by them. If its been to more than 3 months and no comments you prolly must contact them

        You can repeat this to other social sites
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Quick note:

          I get a lot of PMs and emails about which outsourcers I recommend for backlinking.

          I use a few but my main man is fellow Warrior John Dales and his site is here.

          John and his team massively over-deliver for me and are great value - treat him and them well!

          It was running a backlinking blitz of my WSO sites through John that pushed my panic attack GoArticle above back to #1.

          Back with more a bit later...
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          • Profile picture of the author John Dales
            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

            Quick note:

            I get a lot of PMs and emails about which outsourcers I recommend for backlinking.

            I use a few but my main man is fellow Warrior John Dales and his site is here.

            John and his team massively over-deliver for me and are great value - treat him and them well!

            It was running a backlinking blitz of my WSO sites through John that pushed my panic attack GoArticle above back to #1.

            Back with more a bit later...
            Thank you very much Terry for that very positive comments of our linkbuilding service..A positive comment like that will energize us even more. I and my team treat our clients websites as if they are our own. We get ecstatic when the websites we build backlinks for get big jumps in the rankings. We jumped for joy when your Panic Attack GoArticle hit No. 1 in Google after several days of building backlinks to that article. Coupled with your very appreciative words, our having helped you achieve that No.1 Spot in Google make us very happy because it means that our efforts really contributed in winning the battle.
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            • Profile picture of the author TrafficMystic
              Terry, do you think also promoting your links via other easy indexable searches is worth doing.. ?

              for example.. If I do a whois on one of my sites as follows using whoi.is as follows:

              http://www.who.is/whois/trafficmystic.com/

              This search will get very quickly index in google and there are 50-100 others types of site like alexa etc...

              Do you think it's worth getting extra links through this type of site to your main sites, profile links and rss feeds?

              I have knocked up a small app to blast these out and it's something I'm going to test or would you recommend a tactically bad move for a site?

              thanks

              Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
      Hey Esh,

      Good tips! will your quick indexing tip work on a ALOT of sites, im talking hundreds. i have over 800 pages where i have links but not indexed. I had someone from odesk check on over 1600 links that i have gotten over the last 6-9 months on my main 2 sites and 855 are not indexed and another 185 deleted. and those deleted were not ones that were deleted right away..i usually check the links 2-3 weeks after they were posted.

      and i did search for speedy backlinks on here but not sure if i found the wso for it.

      Chris


      Originally Posted by esh View Post

      Another tip i would like to share here, if you find any Pr5-7 profile pages on propeller, or digg or whatever and its been inactive, contact that person and ask if they are willing to sell it. Recently i bought 5 Pr 7 profiles for $250 and its linkjuice are immense value, because as those profiles are related to your niche Eg. the owner of the profile was linking to his blog -> "Shoot potato gun upto 50 ft" (weird eg. lol) and its effective if you own a site, so you can get all the linkjuice to your properties instead for a parasite content.

      Also another way to get your profile sites indexed is use a method called "whitehat url injection"
      i know you are thinking about XSS exploit, which is a BlueFart, this is really not that. This is purely white hat. There was a WSO called speedy backlinks, i dont remember the link for that, but you can get it from seomy.net. What you can do is append your go articles links and profile links onto their "query" links which gets you a link. This got me about 50 links and got indexed my goarticles and profile site indexed in 2 days. But the method that wso suggest is use a url opener service which you have to manually open the url every time. But you can make it as a img tag and use a perl script to open 1000 links in 30 min.

      Hope it helps

      my 1.99 cents

      Best,
      Esh
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Right, time for a MASSIVE catchup, review of progress and questions answered:

        Originally Posted by Koncrete

        I have a question I hope you can help me out with. I've been creating about 10 backlinks to 4 different articles for almost 4 weeks now. I have over 200 backlinks created and am on page 1 of google but haven't been able to get into the top 3 spots, I haven't seen any movement for close to 2 weeks even though I'm consistenly adding backlinks each day.

        Is there a way to get my backlinks indexed faster? Could I copy my profile URL from the website that contains my backlinks and submit it to pingler, to get it searched quicker or will that not work. I'm not really clear on creating an RSS feed to submit to the aggregators.

        Wasn't sure if the pingler idea would work just the same. I just feel like with over 200 backlinks I should be able to get in those top spots. Competition is around 200k-800k for all 4 keywords. Please let me know what you think.

        Thanks,
        Tom
        Hey Tom,

        Finally got back to ya bro - sorry about the delay.

        Definitely hit Pingler, create an RSS feed of your article BUT make sure that the new feed is VALIDATED (I show you how in previous posts on this thread).

        Using your newly created RSS feed of your GoArticle, jam it into Pingler, Autopinger, Pingomatic, FeedAgg (has always done particularly well for me), FeedAge, Feedraider, Feedburner, MillionRSS and RSSBot (if you have it).

        To speed up indexing of key pages, use sites like pastehtml.com, ladygaga.com, gumtree.com (their forum, for example), your own blogrolls on non-core blogs, onlywire.com, SocialBot etc etc.

        You should also try this service I just came across but haven't tried:


        Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics QUIT- Quick Indexing Tool

        With your ranking progress, I recommend 3 things:

        [1] Be patient - it's just not a straight mathematical 'arms race' betwen you and the top three in terms of backlinks. Other factors are influencing the rankings too.

        With backlinking and SEO, adjust your 'Timetable of Expectations' to a 3 month period. I was watching a bit of an SENuke webinar last night and the guy running it (who knows SEN well) was really proud of getting a new site on to Page 1 in...2 and a half months!

        That's why you want a bunch of sites going at once Tom.

        [2] Keep backlinking consistently. You'll eventually hit the tipping point and bag that #1 spot - unless I'm already there! :p IF you haven't picked too big a fight.

        [3] Analyse the links of the guys above you in backlinkwatch.com and see if you can get links at any of those sites.

        Just keep at it Tom and be patient.

        Next question now...
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by J smith View Post

          Guess Terry has inspired me too!

          Wrote a GoArticle with a clickbank affiliate links in it. Going to put up 50 backlinks to it every week, as well as some blog commenting (though the niche isn't really inviting to blog commenting) and a link wheel or two. See how it ranks (it is a rather competitive niche with competitive keyword) and I'll keep you updated on my progress!

          So far google doesn't wantto index it after some bookmarking and a few links.
          Check the previous post for indexing help J and great work!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by sgsmorgan View Post

            Thought I might chip in with my 2 pence worth here. First of all I will declare my self interest so as not to give anyone any false ideas. I am working with Terry on one of his tests. Only spoken to Terry once and I hope it will be the first of many times as I found him to be an extremely likeable, knowledgeable and "helpful bloke" (as they say in these parts - was that OK Terry, where do I send my invoice? :-)) so I guess for any newbies looking in on this stream you will discover lots of useful information and some real nuggets so my recomendation would be to print off the entire stream and use as background notes.

            For what it's worth and I have to add the caveat here that our initial results are very non scientific at the moment But I have the sneaky feeling that Go Articles is operating some sort of Filter at the moment as it is taking an inordinately and very unusally long time to get articles indexed and crawled at the moment.

            Now I know this is going to be a bit of a downer for those looking at Go Articles as source of quick coverage but I think at the moment that this is not happening. I suspect that it might have something to do either with running types of affiliate links in the articles or actually running any type of affiliate link at all.

            Go Articles effectively publishes straight away (or at least it does as far as its own directory is concerned) and therein I believe lies its problem. It could effectively be abused by some of the more less than scrupulous amongst this community and I think it might have been slapped or certainly been dealt with in the latest Google Update. I think this delay in the indexing as far as Google is concerned has something to do with the inclusion of certain types of links in articles or indeed it may just be a blanket delay and some form of Google downgrading.

            We are looking at a number of articles that should have surfaced by now and some 12 days after publishing have still not surfaced.

            There are I believe other better options around at the moment (and not just ezine articles either).
            Thanks Steve. That new GoArticle is still not indexed tonight (my current high ranking GoArticles are all several months old - May 2009 I think for that #1 Panic Attacks one).

            My first ArticlesBase article took about 24 hours to get approval.

            I used my usual Click Here Blah Blah Blah link BETWEEN the headline and article BUT I had to use a redirect from a site page that I already own.

            I didn't need to bother with a top level domain (e.g. .info) like EZA which saved a couple of bucks - just created a new redirect page for an existing site (let me know if you need the HTML code for that).

            I did however screw up the formatting of the article though and had to edit and re-submit.

            Once that's up and OK again in its proper form, Steve can hammer it with his SLS monster again.

            I like the approach Steve is using and want to try it on well established sites of mine as well as a new one.

            Remember that both ArticlesBase and Buzzle are doing pretty well in the SERPs at the moment so don't feel that you have to flog EZA and GA only - it's the results that count, not the platform.

            I'll keep you posted on the ArticlesBase progress...
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by J smith View Post

              Yes, I'll agree with the above, GoArticles take forever to get indexedor show up in serps compared to EA or articlesbase. Also after over a hundred articles on GA none of them show up as backlinks in either yahoo's site explorer or backlinkwatcher. Not sure why it is that way.

              Could be an interesting eperiment to run a similar article on EA and GA and see which one does better in the end.
              Indeed J - many, many possible experiments to run.

              Backlinks reporting is always a sample or guide - it's not exhaustive at all.

              For example, this is what Yahoo Site Explorer reports on that #1 GoArticle above on Panic Attacks:


              That's 1/4 or less of the actual backlinks.

              I have also had sites on Page 1 with 0 reported backlinks and hundreds of ACTUAL backlinks.

              Matt Cutts from Google argues that they don't want to let competitors see all of their rivals' backlinks and reverse engineer their success. Checkout his thoughts here:


              By the way, I see MORE backlinks in YSE than in Google Webmaster Tools for my sites so Matt's claim in the video that you can see ALL your backlinks for your site there seem iffy.

              Obviously, you can't use that method for GA or EZA.
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by marlon View Post

                Terry, why don't you produce an info product on your "standard" backlink method that you described. You know, create a dummy account while recording it with Camtasia.

                And then maybe show some real world results of what you've done with that method over time (blurring the domain and identifying info).

                I'd buy it. I imagine others would also.

                I like the experiments here a lOT. And I think people would pay for the method you've already tested and proven. And maybe a little private site where you update your tweaks each month and cover new developments.

                Marlon
                Hi Marlon,

                Thanks for the feedback and interesting idea.

                At the moment all of my best methods are in my WSO in the sig file but the Camtasia approach could be a valuable future enhancement.

                Glad you're getting value here - have you tried that Forum Cluster method I outlined above yet?
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        • Profile picture of the author Koncrete
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Right, time for a MASSIVE catchup, review of progress and questions answered:



          Hey Tom,

          Finally got back to ya bro - sorry about the delay.

          Definitely hit Pingler, create an RSS feed of your article BUT make sure that the new feed is VALIDATED (I show you how in previous posts on this thread).

          Using your newly created RSS feed of your GoArticle, jam it into Pingler, Autopinger, Pingomatic, FeedAgg (has always done particularly well for me), FeedAge, Feedraider, Feedburner, MillionRSS and RSSBot (if you have it).

          To speed up indexing of key pages, use sites like pastehtml.com, ladygaga.com, gumtree.com (their forum, for example), your own blogrolls on non-core blogs, onlywire.com, SocialBot etc etc.

          You should also try this service I just came across but haven't tried:


          Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics QUIT- Quick Indexing Tool

          With your ranking progress, I recommend 3 things:

          [1] Be patient - it's just not a straight mathematical 'arms race' betwen you and the top three in terms of backlinks. Other factors are influencing the rankings too.

          With backlinking and SEO, adjust your 'Timetable of Expectations' to a 3 month period. I was watching a bit of an SENuke webinar last night and the guy running it (who knows SEN well) was really proud of getting a new site on to Page 1 in...2 and a half months!

          That's why you want a bunch of sites going at once Tom.

          [2] Keep backlinking consistently. You'll eventually hit the tipping point and bag that #1 spot - unless I'm already there! :p IF you haven't picked too big a fight.

          [3] Analyse the links of the guys above you in backlinkwatch.com and see if you can get links at any of those sites.

          Just keep at it Tom and be patient.

          Next question now...

          Thanks Terry greatly appreciated, I know how busy you are this gives me the extra confidence I need to keep moving forward. As for now I'm all out of questions, but I'm sure it won't last for long.

          Thanks,
          Tom
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    • Profile picture of the author junkdna
      Originally Posted by esh View Post


      Also another way to get your profile sites indexed is use a method called "whitehat url injection"
      i know you are thinking about XSS exploit, which is a BlueFart, this is really not that. This is purely white hat. There was a WSO called speedy backlinks, i dont remember the link for that, but you can get it from seomy.net. What you can do is append your go articles links and profile links onto their "query" links which gets you a link. This got me about 50 links and got indexed my goarticles and profile site indexed in 2 days. But the method that wso suggest is use a url opener service which you have to manually open the url every time. But you can make it as a img tag and use a perl script to open 1000 links in 30 min.

      Hope it helps

      my 1.99 cents

      Best,
      Esh
      Can somebody please explain the above. What is "their "query" links which gets you a link."? How this works?
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  • Profile picture of the author Charley Brown
    Terry, I like your thinking about the Forum profile... I've looked all over the PR10 websites and haven't found any such available forum... though Adobe, as well know, has a PR9 forum. Your thinking is very innovative, and surely should work well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Koncrete
    Wow that not having a question sure didn't last long at all. When you create your unique RSS feed for your go articles are you just submitting those RSS feeds to the aggregators or do you also submit the individual urls that you leave you backlinks on (profile page)? Do the google bots find your backlinks through the article RSS feed? Hope I explained myself clear enough.

    Thanks,
    Tom
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      @TerryKyle

      Hey buddy. I was having success with your methods and still have rankings for a few different articles and stuff on goarticles and articelbase.

      There is now a new issue and I can't seem to get past it.

      Google aren't indexing any new goarticles... Are you finding the same issue?

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        @TerryKyle

        Hey buddy. I was having success with your methods and still have rankings for a few different articles and stuff on goarticles and articelbase.

        There is now a new issue and I can't seem to get past it.

        Google aren't indexing any new goarticles... Are you finding the same issue?

        Thanks
        I think you are right and it would be interesting to get the feedback from someone else who is publishing articles in GA without the overt inclusion of any form of advertising. We have just set up a test in the office here with a couple of "quick and dirty" articles in both Go Articles and Articlesbase and it will be intersting to see how they fare.

        Both articles don't have any form of links in them at all, not even in the Author Resource box as I wanted to see how quickley they would go through the system if clean. The Articlesbase article was accepted and approved straight away and we are waiting to see if it surfaces later tonight in Google and we have had the confirmation of the article from Go Articles but again I will hold fire untill I see that one appear as well. I'll keep Terry and the others up to date as to how this goes as and when things happen but we do believe there is a filter that might be part of the latest Algorithm change running and it might be adversely affecting certain types of articles.

        Steve

        As of 20.29 pm GMT 3rd Nov 2009 The articlesbase article has just surface in Googles main index and that is approximately in a little under about 30 minutes so unscientific though it might be there has to be some sort of filter running. Still no sign of the GA Article though
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        • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
          Originally Posted by sgsmorgan View Post


          As of 20.29 pm GMT 3rd Nov 2009 The articlesbase article has just surface in Googles main index and that is approximately in a little under about 30 minutes so unscientific though it might be there has to be some sort of filter running. Still no sign of the GA Article though
          Aha I was right. Phew. Time to move away from goarticles and have some fun elswhere. Google obviously working on that at the moment because my last batch were all indexed and ranked in less than 2 days but this time none have even been indexed let alone ranked.
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  • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
    I have three articles on Ga posted on the 23rd , 26th and 29th of October and none have been indexed.

    Back to Terry

    It seems you are really having much success using Angela Backlinks. Is that right?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
    Articlebase articles seem to be getting indexed the fastest for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author pa2phoenix
      My goarticles are getting indexed as of right now, but it sure is taking longer. Funny thing I noticed - with a new GA account your first couple of articles seem to get indexed pretty quickly though. Just my experience
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Before getting to questions, I wanted to give a live example of hyperlinking full stops/periods in sig files in high PR forums for my 'Forum Cluster' method outlined above.

        I just created one on this forum:

        Post Punk Kitchen Forums: Show us your mitts!

        This one uses BB code for the signature file.

        I was thinking about this method a lot more today while driving around (amazing I still remember how to drive a car to be honest!).

        Instead of thinking how MANY backlinks are needed to get to #1, this is about how FEW backlinks are needed to get there!

        The goal with this method I believe is accumulating a good number of VERY high PR forum memberships.

        Imagine adding 2 a day for 1 month and having 60 PR8-10 forum memberships with many posts sprinkled throughout each. Clearly, that's a lot more than I talked about earlier with this method but it's WAY less than that Panic Attacks GoArticle needed to get to #1 (well over 1,000).








        How?

        The important elements for the Forum Cluster method I talked about above are:

        [1] NO irrelevant spammy unanchored link in the profile (No link there at all)

        [2] fill in some bio information tailored for the forum

        [3] add a pic (though use an alias)

        [4] create a sig file that fits the forum e.g. my favourite music site. (all lower case, less formal for this particular forum)

        Link that sig file (except for the full stop/period) to a good REAL site - I linked to a page on Billboard.com for this forum BUT the full stop links to my Amazon sales page.

        If you visit my post above, you will see that the link is pretty hard to detect.

        Depending on the topic of the high PR9 forum target, you can read a couple of relevant Wikipedia pages and ask questions in popular threads.

        You are just looking to build a bunch of sig file full stop links.

        Now if you're starting to get the potential here, what if my sig file had a line like:

        my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

        Obviously this example is for a cooking forum BUT did you notice how I had a total of FOUR full stops and ONE comma - each one could be linked to a separate site!

        And six months down the track if you have a new site or two, change one or two (or add more) full stop sig links to the new site/s for a big hit of high PR link juice...especially from that forthcoming PR10 forum site!

        The only big question mark for this system is how Google treats a punctuation backlink...

        Next post for normal business.

        Don't forget to hit the 'Thanks' Button below right is you think that method is useful to you...
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by Koncrete View Post

          Wow that not having a question sure didn't last long at all. When you create your unique RSS feed for your go articles are you just submitting those RSS feeds to the aggregators or do you also submit the individual urls that you leave you backlinks on (profile page)? Do the google bots find your backlinks through the article RSS feed? Hope I explained myself clear enough.

          Thanks,
          Tom
          Hi Tom,

          I do pump the specially created RSS versions of the GoArticles through every possible RSS source.

          With the profile sites, my main outsourcer John Dales pumps those into Feedage as part of his backlinking - just make sure you ask for that when getting quotes from him for backlinking jobs!

          It definitely can't hurt helping the bots find you though Tom there is a big difference between being crawled and being indexed.

          Getting crawled is easy but at the moment getting indexed is annoyingly erratic, as posts above show.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

            @TerryKyle

            Hey buddy. I was having success with your methods and still have rankings for a few different articles and stuff on goarticles and articelbase.

            There is now a new issue and I can't seem to get past it.

            Google aren't indexing any new goarticles... Are you finding the same issue?

            Thanks
            Cool Intrep - nice!

            Something's up with GA indexing at the moment as Steve rightly said above - Article 2 in this experiment took 6 weeks to get indexed despite literally hundreds of decent backlinks.

            That brand new ArticlesBase article has already been indexed (under 24 hours I think).

            Maybe ArticlesBase is the new GoArticles!
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by sgsmorgan View Post

              I think you are right and it would be interesting to get the feedback from someone else who is publishing articles in GA without the overt inclusion of any form of advertising. We have just set up a test in the office here with a couple of "quick and dirty" articles in both Go Articles and Articlesbase and it will be intersting to see how they fare.

              Both articles don't have any form of links in them at all, not even in the Author Resource box as I wanted to see how quickley they would go through the system if clean. The Articlesbase article was accepted and approved straight away and we are waiting to see if it surfaces later tonight in Google and we have had the confirmation of the article from Go Articles but again I will hold fire untill I see that one appear as well. I'll keep Terry and the others up to date as to how this goes as and when things happen but we do believe there is a filter that might be part of the latest Algorithm change running and it might be adversely affecting certain types of articles.

              Steve

              As of 20.29 pm GMT 3rd Nov 2009 The articlesbase article has just surface in Googles main index and that is approximately in a little under about 30 minutes so unscientific though it might be there has to be some sort of filter running. Still no sign of the GA Article though
              Good work Steve - thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          The only big question mark for this system is how Google treats a punctuation backlink...
          I think Google is getting a whole lot smarter that most people have even begun to imagine in their wildest dreams but this might just turn out out (for the next few months at least) to be one of the smartest strokes of genius I have witnessed in a long time (at least till they catch on).

          I am impressed Sir!!!

          The key thing to all of this is that it adds to the overall linking landscape to any Campaign and what people do tend to forget is that hidden in the deepest recesses of its algorithm is the factor that actually Google likes to see a linking background that is punctuated by (pun intended) by typos, misspellings etc as these all add to the overall organic nature of any type of linking Campaign. One of the easiest ways to get rumbled in any linking Campaign (God how I wish the major Advertising Agencies would spot this but they don't) is to have a Campaign that is nothing but 100% totally focussed on one Link Term (and they still wonder why they get their butts whipped by someone who is smarter and cuter).

          How they will respond to a whole infusion of quotation marks remains to be seen but I think the other hidden benefit to this all is that I believe PR now has more to do with the frequency of how often a page gets crawled and to this end then this tactic is perfect.

          If I could vote thanks more than once for this I would, believe me!!
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          • Profile picture of the author JamesRad
            Hi Terry

            Thanks for the great info in this thread, it just shows what testing, tracking and repeating can achieve.

            A question,

            Have you noticed Google giving High SERP's position e.g. 1-3 for low PR, low back links but high page visit articles like on EZA for instance. They seem to outrank the likes of hubpages, weebly etc. Even if the other web2.0 have PR 2-3.

            Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

            I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news but... you were #2 on my search


            You have always got to remember that Google works of a number of Data Centres depending on your location in the world. Not sure the exact numbers and how that effect searches in US but being based in the UK I know that if I am researching US I always ensure I use a US Proxy.

            Originally Posted by sgsmorgan View Post

            I think Google is getting a whole lot smarter that most people have even begun to imagine in their wildest dreams but this might just turn out out (for the next few months at least) to be one of the smartest strokes of genius I have witnessed in a long time (at least till they catch on).
            Originally Posted by sgsmorgan View Post


            I believe PR now has more to do with the frequency of how often a page gets crawled and to this end then this tactic is perfect.
            I just wanted to repeat the Quote above from sgsmorgan because I believe that it holds a lot of weight in these statements.

            Always remember that Google are pretty clever at Search Engine Algorithms and what they tell you isn't always exactly right I am sure.

            I follow Matt Cutts Blog and Videos quite closely, but always think deeper then the surface of what he is telling you.

            Google after all are the Biggest Brand in the Word above the likes of Coke Cola, Mcdonalds, Nike etc.

            Just though I would add my thoughts.

            Once again thanks for the thread Terry.

            James
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        • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Before getting to questions, I wanted to give a live example of hyperlinking full stops/periods in sig files in high PR forums for my 'Forum Cluster' method outlined above.

          I just created one on this forum:

          Post Punk Kitchen Forums: Show us your mitts!


          The important elements for the Forum Cluster method I talked about above are:

          [1] NO irrelevant spammy unanchored link in the profile (No link there at all)

          [2] fill in some bio information tailored for the forum

          [3] add a pic (though use an alias)

          [4] create a sig file that fits the forum e.g. my favourite music site. (all lower case, less formal for this particular forum)

          Link that sig file (except for the full stop/period) to a good REAL site - I linked to a page on Billboard.com for this forum BUT the full stop links to my Amazon sales page.

          If you visit my post above, you will see that the link is pretty hard to detect.

          Depending on the topic of the high PR9 forum target, you can read a couple of relevant Wikipedia pages and ask questions in popular threads.

          You are just looking to build a bunch of sig file full stop links.

          Now if you're starting to get the potential here, what if my sig file had a line like:

          my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

          Obviously this example is for a cooking forum BUT did you notice how I had a total of FOUR full stops and ONE comma - each one could be linked to a separate site!

          And six months down the track if you have a new site or two, change one or two (or add more) full stop sig links to the new site/s for a big hit of high PR link juice...especially from that forthcoming PR10 forum site!

          The only big question mark for this system is how Google treats a punctuation backlink...

          Next post for normal business.

          Don't forget to hit the 'Thanks' Button below right is you think that method is useful to you...
          .


          Okay, Are you saying the following:

          Each on of these are linked to a different site? And you do that in one PR 8-10 groups?

          My two

          .
          .
          .

          er
          ,

          three favourite thai recipes for dinner

          .

          PR: wait... I: wait... L: wait... LD: wait... I: wait...wait... Rank: wait... Traffic: wait... Price: wait... C: wait...
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          Building My Empire 1 blog 1 product at a time.

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          • Profile picture of the author Big JP
            Originally Posted by desireeaib View Post

            .


            Okay, Are you saying the following:

            Each on of these are linked to a different site? And you do that in one PR 8-10 groups?

            My two

            .
            .
            .

            er
            ,

            three favourite thai recipes for dinner

            .

            PR: wait... I: wait... L: wait... LD: wait... I: wait...wait... Rank: wait... Traffic: wait... Price: wait... C: wait...
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            Hello,

            Just to confirm your question, YES that is correct.

            Then each post you make in the forum will give a link to each of the sites you used with the hyperlinked text/punctuation mark.

            However, Keep in mind that the example Terry gave was just that, an EXAMPLE. There are many ways you can use this kind of strategy, but some will be more risky than others, for example...

            1. My three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

            Would be safer than...

            2. My two...er,three favourite thai recipes for dinner

            Simply because in example 2. there are more breaks in the Hyperlink, so when someone hovers part of it, only that part will actually highlight, which will raise eyebrows.

            In my first example you could hyperlink... My three favourite thai recipes for dinne + r + .

            Which would leave less links than example 2, but would decrease the breaks in the hyperlink, and also the risk of what you're doing being noticed.

            I'm sure you get the drift, and can think of many other ways to be sneaky yet stealthy, just be creative.

            Hope that helps

            JP
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Interesting PM (I have added Test 5 to Jonathan Leger's Postswapper system yesterday):

              Originally Posted by Conrad C King

              Hi Terry;
              Might be of interest to you might not,
              Ran a little test of my own different method,
              Purchased a domain in loan area niche 20 days ago
              slammed up WP blog with a few PLR articles let it sit till last week, signed up for a beta test of Jon Leger's new blog linking site postswapper and purchased Steve Fullman's
              Wp Unique WSO. The darn thing went from non existent to #1 out of 3,400,00 in about a week....The actual time was less the a week. Google tells me it went to #1 on the 10th i added it to post swapper on the 7th and 1st used Wp-Unique on it on the 8th. I am going to do a littlte more onsite SEO and hammer it with some articles and backlinks from a different source and see if I can move it up with the big boys in the niche.
              Still catching up on report updates...
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                The beauty of a linked smiley (I really owe JP on this one) is that an image is created without anchor text - and that would look pretty normal to Google I would think i.e. lots of sites have images without anchor text but links elsewhere.

                Very cool!

                You could also look at just linking a syllable in a long phrase and the examples above tried to make the link text look relevant to your niche but still semi-concealing the link.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  I gotta couple of Squidoo lenses tailgating my Panic Attacks article - so am firing SENuke at my GoArticle...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by desireeaib View Post

                    Hi Terry:

                    I'm reading and following while i get my site content in. From a previous post I gather that just having content on your site and working on making it excellent should be a priority, but not the top priority when you start. As yes I've seen sites that are junkie, don't offer much, loaded with adds, but are on P 1 of G. So I'm redoing my thinking on that and just getting my content in just making it logical and working on making the site better as I go.

                    Getting traffic after you have your site up and something (rateable and intelligent to your topic) on it should be the priority #1.

                    Okay that brings me to this post of yours. I'm am lost on several points.
                    1) People seem to be backlinking articles vs. their site, why is that?
                    2) People seem to be bookmarking articles vs. their site, why is that?
                    3) I'm not understanding this RSS feed distribution over Big Mikes RSS autobot, isn't it the same thing?
                    4) I am interested in buying your backlink black belt because you say you teach HOW to find sites for backlink purposes. Long term as I build out my sites that would be a good thing to know as I have 4 main ideas for sites that go along with my interest that I would like to develop. BUT do you teach how to backlink? Meaning I think A&P do good but I found I was missing a key thing when I was backlinking from them, so I stopped for awhile and started working on my site because I didn't want to ruin the process.
                    5) Is it better to do an article or site for backlinking? Why?
                    Thanks
                    Desiree
                    Hiya D,

                    1) People seem to be backlinking articles vs. their site, why is that?

                    Depending on the particular article directory, it can respond much more quickly than a 'normal' website. However, as this experiment is showing, new GoArticles seem trickier to rank at the moment with Google. Older ones seem OK.

                    ArticlesBase could be the new GoArticles!

                    Another reason that IMers use so-called 'parasite hosting' is because it's free and involves much less work than a full website with Privacy Policy, sitemap, Contact page etc etc - all the things Google says we are supposed to have on a website.

                    There is also a perception that an article directory might give the article more weight in the eyes of a prospect than just another Revolution theme blog (I've got a few of those too!).

                    However, it is much more vulnerable (to policy changes at the article directory) and loses functionality (analytics, for example).

                    2) People seem to be bookmarking articles vs. their site, why is that?

                    You should do both - constantly. As you might know D, I also recommend in my WSO to 'lock up' page 1 with your backlinked pages on: YouTube, Metacafe, EZA, GoArticles, DocStoc, Zimbio etc etc for that specific Keyword.

                    This is a case of 'do as I say not do as I do' as I've been shamefully neglectful on this front lately.

                    The reasons might vary by each IMer depending on their individual rankings/earnings.

                    For instance, if an article is earning good money at #2 and a site is earning nothing at #9, it can make more sense to really hammer that #2 article as it's a proven converter.

                    This to me is the essence of IM: finding and strengthening the winners in your portfolio (and understanding WHY they're winners, more importantly), experimenting with the losers but letting them go if it just ain't happening for them (conversion/money wise).

                    3) I'm not understanding this RSS feed distribution over Big Mikes RSS autobot, isn't it the same thing?

                    RSSBot is just an automated tool (apart from manually entering CAPTCHA info where required) for putting your RSS feeds out to as many RSS directories as possible so that Google will pick up those links (I honestly can't understand the business model of these RSS directories but I'd love to be enlightened by a Warrior!).

                    Like blasting your video through the excellent tubemogul.com, it's just putting your links in more places for Google to find and reward.

                    4) I am interested in buying your backlink black belt because you say you teach HOW to find sites for backlink purposes. Long term as I build out my sites that would be a good thing to know as I have 4 main ideas for sites that go along with my interest that I would like to develop. BUT do you teach how to backlink? Meaning I think A&P do good but I found I was missing a key thing when I was backlinking from them, so I stopped for awhile and started working on my site because I didn't want to ruin the process.

                    Not sure what you mean by ruining the process D but I do go into all my backlinking principles in that report.

                    Think of backlinking your site this way:

                    Imagine you go to a ball in your town and the town mayor (who knows you for some reason, you went to school together, doesn't matter why) introduces you to everyone there.

                    The aura and authority of the mayor being 'linked' to you gives you some of her/his authority and aura.

                    I often call backlinking creating the illusion of authority on the web but it may be more specific than that - it is more like we are creating the illusion of a viral page/article/post on the web. Something 'going viral' on the web is a very important phenomenon on the web (think TMZ's news story on MJ's death, for example) as we are replicating that in a less explosive fashion.

                    Imagine if Neil Strauss wrote an amazing new article on dating or Warren Buffett posted something on his railroad investment or Cesar Millan wrote about a brilliant new technique that he had developed for aggressive dogs (he doesn't need any, the old ones work pretty well!), those articles would go 'viral' and attract links from everywhere.

                    That's EXACTLY the effect we're going for and why - in my experience - linking FROM an inner page of one site TO an inner page of your site looks the most natural and gets rewarded the quickest. For pure SEO purposes, I never backlink to a homepage.

                    Anyway, back to the 'mayor/town ball' metaphor, Google sees that a bunch of different high authority people and sites are now linking to your Yamaha snowmobile article/post so it had better recognise that your page/s are now 'going viral' across the web and bump you up the SERPs.

                    5) Is it better to do an article or site for backlinking? Why?

                    There are two schools of thought on this.

                    In the long run, you want to build the authority of your own sites for long-term income, to sell the site etc.

                    A high ranked article (which is still saleable but not as much as a 'real' site) is vulnerable to policy changes at article directories, Google algorithm changes (think 'Squidoo Slap').

                    My own view is to have a bunch of mixed sites (articles, own sites, videos etc) in your portfolio to sift the winners from the losers. My own sites demand a LOT more work (not much 'bum marketing' there I'm afraid) than articles BUT when GoArticles put 'bubble ads' all over their articles as they did recently, conversions went through the floor.

                    Hope I covered everything there D - fire in more questions if I missed anything.

                    Same goes for PMs. I get loads of them and do occasionally miss one. If I have, sorry about that and feel free to re-ask - I won't be offended!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                      Originally Posted by pons_saravanan View Post

                      Hi Terry
                      Thank you the great experment.

                      I am reading this post daily from past few weeks, i have learnt a lot from you. And implemented few things for me and they are all doing good.

                      I would like to learn few more things from you. From your experience are no-follow links considered good for improving for SERPs? or not at all useful interms of SERPs.
                      Hi Pon - better late than not at all huh? (my reply I mean)

                      I tend to work mainly with dofollow sites because my WSO research and the work of Angela and PJ focuses on those.

                      In natural linkbuilding, there are always going to be a few nofollows - actually I would like to do a comparative test on JUST nofollow links versus JUST dofollow links to check how much nofollow are...not followed!
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                      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
                        Banned
                        The darn thing went from non existent to #1 out of 3,400,00 in about a week....The actual time was less the a week. Google tells me it went to #1 on the 10th i added it to post swapper on the 7th and 1st used Wp-Unique on it on the 8th. I am going to do a littlte more onsite SEO and hammer it with some articles and backlinks from a different source and see if I can move it up with the big boys in the niche.
                        How do you move it up if it's already ranked #1?
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                      • Profile picture of the author pons_saravanan
                        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                        Hi Pon - better late than not at all huh? (my reply I mean)

                        I tend to work mainly with dofollow sites because my WSO research and the work of Angela and PJ focuses on those.

                        In natural linkbuilding, there are always going to be a few nofollows - actually I would like to do a comparative test on JUST nofollow links versus JUST dofollow links to check how much nofollow are...not followed!
                        Hi Terry
                        No matter later or earlier, your response is highly valuable to me. One more question.
                        My website is ASP.Net programming site, so I am answering few forums like forums.asp.net and wrox p2p forums. So they are back links for various articles from my website which are highly relevant to the topic.

                        Apart from that I am commenting on blogs which are very relevant (some times irrelevant blogs if I can write something about the topic).

                        After some time I actually realized that only my forum links are indexed, and the most of the commented pages are not indexed till now. As per one suggestion in this current thread, I have actually created a blog and added some content and let the Google crawled it. Now I am adding all the urls of blogs where I have commented. Is it the fastest and effective way to do it? Or do you advise me some effective ways to get the back links crawled.

                        Can you share also how are you getting your back links crawled?
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  • Profile picture of the author Big JP
    "Now if you're starting to get the potential here, what if my sig file had a line like:

    my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

    Obviously this example is for a cooking forum BUT did you notice how I had a total of FOUR full stops and ONE comma - each one could be linked to a separate site!"

    Hi Terry,

    I have used this method quite alot, and used smiley faces, emotions etc. along with things like fullstops and explanation marks.

    The only concern with your method above, wouldn't it be more obvious what is going on when you hover over the text?

    For example, if you did use my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

    Then when you hover over the text it wouldn't all highlight, only the parts of it your cursor is on will apear linked, and if someone noticed that, they are likley to see all the different url's at the bottom of the screen also, and then the chance of it getting deleted gets higher, what you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author unlimited1
      Hi Terry,

      I have used this method quite alot, and used smiley faces, emotions etc. along with things like fullstops and explanation marks.

      The only concern with your method above, wouldn't it be more obvious what is going on when you hover over the text?

      For example, if you did use my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

      Then when you hover over the text it wouldn't all highlight, only the parts of it your cursor is on will apear linked, and if someone noticed that, they are likley to see all the different url's at the bottom of the screen also, and then the chance of it getting deleted gets higher, what you think?
      Hey BIG JP

      When I ran my cursor over the anchor text Terry used it shows hes linked - but to a different site to his (billboard) only when sitting the cursor on the fullstop at the end does it show his site link ..... so all looks like a normal link and for me it may be a good answer to some of my relationship type keywords .

      Im a little confused as to how the code would look like though to get this kind of double anchor text link. Can anybody help with that?


      Thanks unlimited1
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikedb
    Nice test.
    Always interesting to see how someone else is doing.

    Perhaps this helps.... I can confirm that ArticlesBase works best.
    Seen that on many of my projects.

    I will keep on following this thread
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by unlimited1 View Post

      Hey BIG JP

      When I ran my cursor over the anchor text Terry used it shows hes linked - but to a different site to his (billboard) only when sitting the cursor on the fullstop at the end does it show his site link ..... so all looks like a normal link and for me it may be a good answer to some of my relationship type keywords .

      Im a little confused as to how the code would look like though to get this kind of double anchor text link. Can anybody help with that?


      Thanks unlimited1
      I can't paste BB code into a post here as WF runs on BB Code and turns it into a link.

      Don't forget, you can always right-click and View Page Source or View Source Code and find and copy the relevant bit of code.

      So, here's a picture of both BB Code and HTML Code:


      ALSO: That QUIT Indexing Tool I mentioned above no longer functions in free or paid form - whoops! Sorry about that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by Big JP View Post

        "Now if you're starting to get the potential here, what if my sig file had a line like:

        my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

        Obviously this example is for a cooking forum BUT did you notice how I had a total of FOUR full stops and ONE comma - each one could be linked to a separate site!"

        Hi Terry,

        I have used this method quite alot, and used smiley faces, emotions etc. along with things like fullstops and explanation marks.

        The only concern with your method above, wouldn't it be more obvious what is going on when you hover over the text?

        For example, if you did use my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

        Then when you hover over the text it wouldn't all highlight, only the parts of it your cursor is on will apear linked, and if someone noticed that, they are likley to see all the different url's at the bottom of the screen also, and then the chance of it getting deleted gets higher, what you think?
        Hi again JP,

        Good to hear you're having success with this tactic.

        Yes, by having more links to punctuation marks in your sig file increases the risk - no question about that. But by looking natural, the likelihood of a suspicious hover or even click is less likely. If it's only one full stop linked, it's a lot harder to click on the link.

        The safest form of linked punctuation mark would be the full stop/period as it's lower down and less likely to get spotted.

        Perhaps a safer tactic would be like this but the extra 'genuine' links would use up the character limit that couldn't be used on our real backlinks:

        my favorite porsche article. my favorite porsche images. my favorite porsche model.

        Either way JP, as you have found, it's WAY less risky than

        How To Deal With Panic Attacks

        in a Porsche forum!
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          What I'm trying to get at it with this full stop backlinking method on very high PR forums is that it should be looked at as a LONG-TERM IM business asset, just like a great outsourcer, niche research tool, article writer etc.

          If your sig file in 50 PR8-10 forums has 4 or 5 full stop sig file backlink 'slots', you can very quickly direct one of those almost invisible 'slots' on each forum to a new site.

          And, because your links are very hard to detect, you can participate in the busiest discussion on these forums.

          To use an example closer at hand, those dashes in my sig file below could be backlinked (if they could fit it in the character limit of 1000).

          I love Steve Morgan''s concept of PageRank being conceived as CrawlRank so you can imagine that the Googlebots would be permanently camped on the busiest threads of PR9 forums.

          That ensures that your new site will be picked up and rewarded quickly.

          And, if your links are on the busiest thread, you aren't too far from the home page in terms of the PR Escalator (which is probably different to a profile page which could be buried deeper in the site).
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        • Profile picture of the author Big JP
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Hi again JP,

          Good to hear you're having success with this tactic.

          Yes, by having more links to punctuation marks in your sig file increases the risk - no question about that. But by looking natural, the likelihood of a suspicious hover or even click is less likely. If it's only one full stop linked, it's a lot harder to click on the link.

          The safest form of linked punctuation mark would be the full stop/period as it's lower down and less likely to get spotted.

          Perhaps a safer tactic would be like this but the extra 'genuine' links would use up the character limit that couldn't be used on our real backlinks:

          my favorite porsche article. my favorite porsche images. my favorite porsche model.

          Either way JP, as you have found, it's WAY less risky than

          How To Deal With Panic Attacks

          in a Porsche forum!
          Hi Terry,

          Yes this method is alot less risky, and I have only used it like you mentioned with 1 full stop at the end etc. and I think that is the best way to use it.

          my favorite porsche article. my favorite porsche images. my favorite porsche model.

          That method would be a good way to include multiple "sneaky links" and would be way safer than using:

          my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

          For reasons I metioned in above post.

          If you get a bit creative with this, it can be used in all kinds of places in many different ways, for example, I have been very cheeky and left smiley faces as anchor text on blog comments, and got away with some nice extra link juice

          By the way, I'm loving your "Forum Clustering" idea, that could prove to be a very powerful tactic, thank you for sharing.

          JP
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Good evening!

            I'll come back to James, JP and Steve 'TrafficMystic' Hawkins shortly but first I need to fuflil an earlier promise to document an elance job from start to finish.

            Normally for a job like this I would use my backlinking rockstar John Dales, but this is the most typical example of an elance job I could think of:

            Backlinking Angela and PJ's monthly (November 2009) packets - 150 in all, 30 from the lovely Angela and 120 from Paul.

            This is the first part of the process where I place the free ad on Elance (including the exact ad copy) and then wait for bids (I'll do screen grabs of those stages as they happen too).

            Usually, bids will start coming in within minutes and I will choose a bidder in the first few hours (24 hours at the latest).

            Don't necessarily go for the lowest bidder - trust your gut instinct and ask questions.

            Normally I would place an additional sentence in my elance ad like: If I am happy with your performance on this project, I will continue to use your backlinking services for a long time in the future.

            I left that out here because it wouldn't be true - I have John Dales mainly doing mine.

            You can go and see this job live at elance now if you want to - I just created it there.

            OK, here we go with all the EXACT steps (assuming you have created a free account at elance.com - there are many other services too but I find elance pretty good):
















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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by TrafficMystic View Post

              Terry, do you think also promoting your links via other easy indexable searches is worth doing.. ?

              for example.. If I do a whois on one of my sites as follows using whoi.is as follows:

              trafficmystic.com Whois - traffic mystic - Who.is

              This search will get very quickly index in google and there are 50-100 others types of site like alexa etc...

              Do you think it's worth getting extra links through this type of site to your main sites, profile links and rss feeds?

              I have knocked up a small app to blast these out and it's something I'm going to test or would you recommend a tactically bad move for a site?

              thanks

              Steve
              Hey Steve,

              Good to hear from ya and sorry I missed this post earlier.

              It doesn't sound bad at all - I personally I haven't used that whois trick but I see it mentioned a bit in SEO circles.

              Let's try it out because indexing seems weirdly erratic at the moment which could be site specific e.g. my new ArticlesBase article was indexed in under 24 hours, a new WP-based site in 2-3 days but Article 2 (a GoArticle) for this experiment took 6+ weeks!

              Also, I checked a few Buzzle articles and there don't seem to be ANY links out of them INCLUDING the Bio Box. Huh? Amazines could be worth a look too.

              Though there might not be a full-on Google Slap on GoArticles going on right now as I have other GoArticles doing pretty well (older ones), the big G is being a bit funny about some new GoArticles.
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              • Profile picture of the author marlon
                Hi,

                You've probably read Brian Clark at copyblogger.com. I have a lot of respect for Brian. Of course, there's room in the world for more than one approach or opinion.

                Brian is a huge advocate of getting links simply by posting stellar "pillar" articles that are basically link bait. Much like the quality of what Terry is posting here.

                If those articles and posts he's posting here were on a web site, I'd think it'd get inbound links.

                It'd be interesting to test a really strong pillar article on an existing blog to see if it generates inbound links like Brian feels it will.

                I have to be honest. I think I post some very high quality articles and content on my blog. And Google doesn't show that many inbound links.

                I find that a little disappointing. I'm thinking of changing the format of my blog and how I post my articles. Except I kinda like it the way it is.

                The question is, can pure content that is high quality attract links and give Google the "natural" juice it claims to crave?

                Marlon
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by Big JP View Post

                Hi Terry,

                Yes this method is alot less risky, and I have only used it like you mentioned with 1 full stop at the end etc. and I think that is the best way to use it.

                my favorite porsche article. my favorite porsche images. my favorite porsche model.

                That method would be a good way to include multiple "sneaky links" and would be way safer than using:

                my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

                For reasons I metioned in above post.

                If you get a bit creative with this, it can be used in all kinds of places in many different ways, for example, I have been very cheeky and left smiley faces as anchor text on blog comments, and got away with some nice extra link juice

                By the way, I'm loving your "Forum Clustering" idea, that could prove to be a very powerful tactic, thank you for sharing.

                JP
                I've had a couple of extra thoughts about this Forum Clustering-Pucntuation Backlink method (gotta find a sexier name for it!):

                1. This is possibly the future of backlinking on forums.

                As webmasters get savvier and forum software companies take more and more steps to combat spam, having fully keyworded anchor text links in signature files will eventually become less and less possible.

                One solution is this method of backlinking punctuation which could just look like a sloppily created backlink to Google (for a while at least - until someone from Matt Cutts' team reads this thread!).

                It's still a link though.

                2. After the punctuation backlink sig files and accounts have been created (could be outsourced), hire a native English-speaking writer (plenty here on WF at good rates) to place two or three posts on the busiest threads of your 10/20/30/50 very high PR forum sites. This could be done every month or so or whenever some new sites have been linked to full stops, commas, smiley faces etc.

                These will definitely get crawled and rewarded (presumably) though I would probably change the account passwords periodically unless you REALLY trust the writer.

                I would instruct the hired writer to do some very brief research on the subjects in the most popular threads - Wikipedia would do - and then simply ask questions that sound intelligent, using their niche terminology.

                Like blog commenting which I regard as too time consuming and too volatile to bother with, the days of the forum signature with anchor text keywords may also be numbered.

                Oh and yes I am working on a killer solution for that in one of the R & D rooms inside my head!
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              • Profile picture of the author vitalgirl
                Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                Also, I checked a few Buzzle articles and there don't seem to be ANY links out of them INCLUDING the Bio Box. Huh? Amazines could be worth a look too.

                Though there might not be a full-on Google Slap on GoArticles going on right now as I have other GoArticles doing pretty well (older ones), the big G is being a bit funny about some new GoArticles.
                Ref Buzzle, I used to use them, and you could put a link in your resource box. That was when they still accepted content that wasn't only published there (ie. it used to behave more like a normal article directory, but now the content has to be created especially for there. That's when I stopped using it :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Hi again JP,

          Either way JP, as you have found, it's WAY less risky than

          How To Deal With Panic Attacks

          in a Porsche forum!
          Maybe, maybe not. I noticed your post in postpunk is gone, while others pointing to unrelated sites using normal links are still active. Of course, could be that some loser here ratted you out.

          Another option instead of using punctuation marks is to link single letters in the phrase to your site.

          The question is, can pure content that is high quality attract links and give Google the "natural" juice it claims to crave?

          Marlon
          Not if people don't know about it. People can only link to content they know about. That's why those who say people will automatically link to your stuff if you just post quality content don't know what they're talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author MA SEO
    Great to see someone taking a scientific testing approach to this. Look forward to seeing results
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    • Profile picture of the author redrossero
      So now the spammers will gonna ruin Articlebase too?
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      • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
        Originally Posted by redrossero View Post

        So now the spammers will gonna ruin Articlebase too?
        What do you mean....In fact that will benefit articlebase coz they are getting backlinks to their site.

        Terry I have been watching this thread with interest, I really dont have problems with indexing coz my site I am working on get indexed pretty much in minutes and they have a lot of backlinks from some authority site. But I have tried the method above by steve before and I guess it help with indexing but i did it on a new site and bummer those links were outranking me for a good few months when i typed website url or name....

        I am not sure if this helps with indexing or if you have tried it ie social bookmarking...I just got socialbot from BigMike and such a handy tool...I am really trying to see if it will bring me any backlink juice....doubt it will be anything significant but every little bit help and I only set it once last night and everything is automated

        I am interested in the 750 links you have and I am trying to find an outsourcer first plus I am waiting for the new packet today. I have managed to outsource the other packets and in addition to sites like elance and rentacoder....Its also worth looking at the digital point forum...I go under services and I then do a forum search and type angela or angela and paul and just show topics.

        Loads will come up and I find they are easier to work with because they know what you want done and you can get a links done for 0.20 to 0.30.. or a little less for bulk work...I know its a little sneaky but normally I look at the person's previous post and also reviews to kind of gauge if i like working with them

        Gosh I hope after all the hard work my site will come back from the google burial ground where it went hiding into after I started backlinks...now it wont even show for its unique name, its like on page 17 for a unique name...rant over
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      • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
        No, the Spammers aren't going to ruin Articlesbase because as far as running adverts in articles, Articlesbase and/or Google must be running some sort of delaying filter as the articles are certainly not being ranked as quickley as they are at other times.

        For example, we managed to get a totally clean article, published and ranked within 29 minutes the other evening. In this case we didn't even use any links in the Author Resource Box (which is where all promotions should be kept in my opinion) because this was a test and we were just interested in testing the speed with which we could accomplish this task. This also works quickley when you keep adverts and promotion within the Authors Resouce Box. It might also have something to do with the fact that the Author profile we used had been in existence with Articlesbase for 4 years and had published hundreds of articles.

        The other thing about Articlesbase is that all external links are now taged with the "nofollow" attribute and this is probably as a result of Google "banging on the door" and giving them a choice "Amend or be slapped" and a "slap" would be the kiss of death to an Article Directory (certainly a public one) so for those who have been using Articlesbase for the past 12 months or so then its business as usual and will be as they have done what they can do to comply with the "Big G's" wishes.
        Originally Posted by redrossero View Post

        So now the spammers will gonna ruin Articlebase too?

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  • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
    Terry when in your new wso coming out? Is it today. Stalking you now coz I found someone to outsource the backlinks too. Ready to rock and roll
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by dollyputzu View Post

      I am trying to find a tool that will check the google rankings for multiple URLs. I am actually trying to check the rank of my EzineArticles for my specified keywords. I have a couple of hundred articles and did not want to do this manually. I would like to check my ranks maybe once a month or so; so I do not want to type everything in every month!
      Hi Dolly,

      The tool I use is Rank Checker for Firefox. You can get it here:

      Rank Checker - Track Google, Yahoo! Search, & Microsoft Rankings Free

      HOWEVER, there are certain problems with this tool (if anybody knows a better one, I'd love to hear about it!).

      Problem 1: Rank Checker can't handle long URLs so let's say you have an Amazon book page (I do). You CAN'T put the URL of your page into Rank Checker, only amazon.com

      That means that Rank Checker will list the highest page on Amazon for the term that you specify - whether it's yours or not!

      The same goes for any ezinearticle, goarticle etc - it will only list the highest ranking page from that domain (which may or may not be yours!).

      Problem 2: Rank Checker's result are usually an approximate guide and may not reflect the very latest SERP results.

      I do still use it for a quick snapshot and have a pretty good idea of where my 40-50 sites are at any one time so it's still useful - just not perfect.

      I also hope that you have your hundreds of articles spread across multiple accounts to reduce their vulnerability to an EZA policy change (ask Dean Shainin about this!).
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

        Terry when in your new wso coming out? Is it today. Stalking you now coz I found someone to outsource the backlinks too. Ready to rock and roll
        Patience please Sherry - I'm on it. There's a LOT of value in there and a couple of new things that could blow your mind (get some medication ready!)...
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          Another option instead of using punctuation marks is to link single letters in the phrase to your site.
          Absolutely! There are quite a few options here and I suspect we've both been thinking about possibilities Black Hat Cat, which is weird because I'm a dog lover!

          The main constraint is the character limit you have to play with.

          Another idea that occurred to me is to look at the signature files of the Top Posters on a high PR forum and mimic theirs (with backlinked punctuation of course!). It will at least give you a few ideas on looking legit.

          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          I noticed your post in postpunk is gone, while others pointing to unrelated sites using normal links are still active. Of course, could be that some loser here ratted you out.
          Always a danger of that in this kind of process...
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      • Profile picture of the author Big JP
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Hi Dolly,

        The tool I use is Rank Checker for Firefox. You can get it here:

        Rank Checker - Track Google, Yahoo! Search, & Microsoft Rankings Free

        HOWEVER, there are certain problems with this tool (if anybody knows a better one, I'd love to hear about it!).

        Problem 1: Rank Checker can't handle long URLs so let's say you have an Amazon book page (I do). You CAN'T put the URL of your page into Rank Checker, only amazon.com

        That means that Rank Checker will list the highest page on Amazon for the term that you specify - whether it's yours or not!

        The same goes for any ezinearticle, goarticle etc - it will only list the highest ranking page from that domain (which may or may not be yours!).

        Problem 2: Rank Checker's result are usually an approximate guide and may not reflect the very latest SERP results.

        I do still use it for a quick snapshot and have a pretty good idea of where my 40-50 sites are at any one time so it's still useful - just not perfect.

        I also hope that you have your hundreds of articles spread across multiple accounts to reduce their vulnerability to an EZA policy change (ask Dean Shainin about this!).
        Just to update this, I use Traffic Travis for keeping an eye on all my rankings, for as many URL's and Keywords I want, it is a really helpful feature Included inside the tool.

        You create a "Project name" which is just for your own reference to manage all the different URL's you are tracking. Then for each "Project" you add your URL, as many Keywords you want to check your position for, select the search engines you want to check (Google, Yahoo, Ask, MSN Live, Altavista) and you can even enter competitor's URL's to keep an eye on their positions for the keywords too!

        Once you have finished your "Project" details, just save, then click start to get all the stats in a nice easy format for your use. You then have 2 options available, 1. You come back to the "Project" and manually "Update" to check how things are going, and what changes have been made. 2. You can use the "Scheduler" feature, where you can enter times (weekly, daily, monthly etc.) for updates to be made automatically, and then everything will continue to be updated and documented totally hands free, all you have to do is check in on your chosen "Project" whenever you want/need to.

        Traffic Travis Is a great tool, and has many more features included, but this is my favourite, and the one I use the most.

        Hope that helps

        JP
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    Such a long thread!
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by goclarkanderson View Post

      Such a long thread!
      :-|
      It's long but if you can't see the value, you're not looking very closely.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    I'm missing something here. I was always told that hiding links using same color fonts as background, using punctuation marks links and other such methods were easy for crawlers to identify and note as spammy. Is this what you are doing or am I way off?
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    • Profile picture of the author mrizos
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      I'm missing something here. I was always told that hiding links using same color fonts as background, using punctuation marks links and other such methods were easy for crawlers to identify and note as spammy. Is this what you are doing or am I way off?
      Agreed. If you can't add at least a word or two then this is a dangerous waste of time (just adding a linked ! or . for example)

      Personally I think a better way would be to find forums that are in your niche and then create 1 non-spammy anchored "niche" phrase. It's been working for me for at least 2 months now.
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    • Profile picture of the author bbncu
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      I'm missing something here. I was always told that hiding links using same color fonts as background, using punctuation marks links and other such methods were easy for crawlers to identify and note as spammy. Is this what you are doing or am I way off?

      If this is correct and google penalizes this technique, then I can easily do this to my competition....I'm testing this at the moment and lets see what happens...
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      • Profile picture of the author adamv
        Originally Posted by bbncu View Post

        If this is correct and google penalizes this technique, then I can easily do this to my competition....I'm testing this at the moment and lets see what happens...
        Are you testing it on your sites or your competition's?
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Just when I thought my WSO Report update was finished (actually the backlinks part is - 811 sites in all), Warrior Sean Donohoe drops a fascinating software bombshell in my lap (that's a good thing, by the way)!

          I'll be checking it out and adding in my observations to the tactical part of the report.

          On the high PR Forum Clustering approach we've been talking about, here's a straight extract from my revised report about it:

          You may have also guessed that another beauty of this technique is that it opens up very high PR forums to you that DON'T have publicly viewable forums but DO have dofollow signature links.

          The only drawback is that anchor text ISN'T there for your keyword but would you rather have an anchor-text irrelevant link from a PR10 site or no link at all?

          Or would it?

          A lot of these high PR forums are about software and computer programming. So what about a signature file like this:

          Good PC World Article: Is Windows 7 still carrying too much weight or not?

          Good PC World Article: Does Windows 7 still need to go on a diet?

          Good PC World Article: Is having acne better than having Windows 7?


          In these examples, there are actually three links in each line. In example 1, everything up to the word 'weight' actually links to a real magazine article on Windows 7. The word 'weight' is linked to your weight loss site. Everything AFTER 'weight' is also linked to the same real magazine article on Windows 7. The same goes for the word 'diet' in example 2 and 'acne' in example 3.

          Neat, huh.

          To make your posts even safer, I wouldn't have ANY signature file for the first couple of weeks.

          That reduces the risk of being spotted even further.

          You can probably apply this word-in-phrase string to almost any subject using this tactic.


          Hopefully it will give you some ideas and I will pick an elance bidder tomorrow (sometime) and document that with screen shots (quotes from $25-$100 so far for 150 backlinks).

          I really gotta sleep...am I even making sense now?
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          • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

            [I]You may have also guessed that another beauty of this technique is that it opens up very high PR forums to you that DON'T have publicly viewable forums but DO have dofollow signature links.
            In certain cases, with certain forums powered by VB there is an admin function at the back end that allows Google and Yahoo to crawl all the urls (even those not publicly available) for information and this would explain how from time to time that we have picked up links from Forums that we couldn't actually gain access to at the front end without being a member. So if you have the time and membership of these forums then sometimes all is not always lost.
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          • Profile picture of the author drivedoctor
            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


            ...am I even making sense now?
            The bottom line is... well.... the bottom line... are clicks converting to sales enough to make all the backlinking efforts worth it?... or would PPC marketing or another strategy get more sales?

            I've really enjoyed keeping up with this thread... Thanks Terry.
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            • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
              Originally Posted by drivedoctor View Post

              The bottom line is... well.... the bottom line... are clicks converting to sales enough to make all the backlinking efforts worth it?... or would PPC marketing or another strategy get more sales?

              I've really enjoyed keeping up with this thread... Thanks Terry.
              Anything that combines to help organic listings has to be good. When your Credit Card runs out and PPC Campaign is dry......well its walk off the edge of the cliff time. Thats when you appreciate all the effort that goes into putting your Organic ratings up there.

              Just my 2p
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              • Profile picture of the author drivedoctor
                Originally Posted by sgsmorgan View Post

                Anything that combines to help organic listings has to be good. When your Credit Card runs out and PPC Campaign is dry......well its walk off the edge of the cliff time. Thats when you appreciate all the effort that goes into putting your Organic ratings up there.

                Just my 2p
                I certainly agree with Organic rankings are the best for long term marketing campaigns.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark-Dickenson
            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

            Just when I thought my WSO Report update was finished (actually the backlinks part is - 811 sites in all), Warrior Sean Donohoe drops a fascinating software bombshell in my lap (that's a good thing, by the way)!
            Hello Terry,

            Good to meet ya

            Are you reffering to the Backlink Booster by any chance?

            If so, he dropped that on me too...and it looks to be very good

            I got my system set up the other day and I must say that is a LOT of link juice.

            Anyhow, this looks to be a very good thread...I am late to the party as usual

            -Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Even better way is to be part of the forum and join tons of discussions. After making tons of post or comments go back to the forum a month later when your topics fell off the map and then add your signature to your profile. Guess what happens? All of your posts and comments will now show your linked signature and then you will get massive link juice. I've done this on 4 car forums that I've been active on for 5 years. So end results is 1000's of links from decent PR forum sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Sorry about absence guys - flat out on last minute tweaks and extra info added to my WSO report update!

      I need more outsourcers!

      Will update EVERYTHING here shortly.
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    • Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      Even better way is to be part of the forum and join tons of discussions. After making tons of post or comments go back to the forum a month later when your topics fell off the map and then add your signature to your profile. Guess what happens? All of your posts and comments will now show your linked signature and then you will get massive link juice. I've done this on 4 car forums that I've been active on for 5 years. So end results is 1000's of links from decent PR forum sites.
      Now that makes sense. Just so I'm clear, all of previous postings will update to include your link in your profile? All at once? Wow. That could be impressive.

      Hey..this might be a noob question but it's one I'm not entirely clear on. Do the individual posts to one forum count equally as a backlink if they are all coming from one place?

      I've heard it both ways; some say a link is a link, but I've heard that at some point, all of those links from one place somehow counts less than the same number of backlinks from individual sites on separate IPs.

      It's obviously working for you in the car forums. Do you see a bump in rank or traffic when you pull the trigger on forum signatures? That's an interesting slant of forum posting...suppose you could even outsource the posting too...hmmmm.

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    In certain cases, with certain forums powered by VB there is an admin function at the back end that allows Google and Yahoo to crawl all the urls (even those not publicly available) for information and this would explain how from time to time that we have picked up links from Forums that we couldn't actually gain access to at the front end without being a member. So if you have the time and membership of these forums then sometimes all is not always lost.
    Something I just noticed last night.

    I think it was vBulletin boards (same kind of forums used here). Click on a members name in the actual forum (the place with my name to the left) and you'll see the standard 'view profile' n' such.. but.. you'll also find a 'visit members webpage' option as well.

    You're not getting your keywords with this method but you are receiving a link to your site every time you make a post and this method is 100% spam free, apparently is picked up by the SE's and bypasses sites with unviewable profiles.

    Opens up a lot of options for sites that I had written off as no good for backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      OK next step in the hiring of an elancer for a backlinking job (if you aren't using John Dales, my normal guy) - skip ahead of this looooooong post if you already know this stuff:


















      Continued in next post...
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Part 2 of Elance job setup in pics continued:










        I will now PM the backlinks sites to my chosen outsourcer and 7 days from now, I will have 150 more backlinks to the three sites to be posted to each one.

        I will then check the Excel spreadsheet to make sure the profiles are set up at the sites expected and then release the funds to the outsourcer (I will document that stage with pictures too).

        Feel free to ask any questions about this process. It really is pretty simple and something you should be doing (outsourcing) to use your time more efficiently.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

          I'm missing something here. I was always told that hiding links using same color fonts as background, using punctuation marks links and other such methods were easy for crawlers to identify and note as spammy. Is this what you are doing or am I way off?
          Some SEOs recommend the punctuation backlinking trick, some don't. The 1990s same color font and background tactic is definitely long gone.

          Probably the better option is that word-in-phrase-string method I mentioned above but perhaps another test is in order (just not by me at the moment!)

          And JP (earlier post in this thread) has had some success with backlinking smiley faces too.

          In fact, did you notice my cunningly disguised link in the above smiley face - no underlining or anything!

          Another trick is to find inactive forums (not sure how to do it quickly - yet) and blitz them.

          In fact, another method just occurred to me!

          Get a ghost writer, or yourself, to set up an account on a PR8/9 forum WITHOUT any signature file and create dozens of high quality posts WITH 0 LINKS.

          Then come back 2 weeks or more later and add a smiley face link to each of your (dozens of) different websites - just one smiley per post but linked to a different one of your sites.

          Just make sure the forum lets you put smiley face emoticons in posts BEFORE you start!
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    • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Something I just noticed last night.

      I think it was vBulletin boards (same kind of forums used here). Click on a members name in the actual forum (the place with my name to the left) and you'll see the standard 'view profile' n' such.. but.. you'll also find a 'visit members webpage' option as well.

      You're not getting your keywords with this method but you are receiving a link to your site every time you make a post and this method is 100% spam free, apparently is picked up by the SE's and bypasses sites with unviewable profiles.

      Opens up a lot of options for sites that I had written off as no good for backlinks.
      Thanks for clearing something up for me. I was just checking some of backlinks in backlinkwatch and the anchor text was "Visit So and So's homepage". I was like huh? Now I realize they were posts in forums with a link back to my homepage.
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    • Profile picture of the author anwar001
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Something I just noticed last night.

      I think it was vBulletin boards (same kind of forums used here). Click on a members name in the actual forum (the place with my name to the left) and you'll see the standard 'view profile' n' such.. but.. you'll also find a 'visit members webpage' option as well.

      You're not getting your keywords with this method but you are receiving a link to your site every time you make a post and this method is 100% spam free, apparently is picked up by the SE's and bypasses sites with unviewable profiles.

      Opens up a lot of options for sites that I had written off as no good for backlinks.
      This has got me pretty excited. Thanks for sharing this valuable observation.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    I just downloaded SENuke to give that a try since you said it helped one of your articles out. It still has some quirks to it but not bad as it sure does speed up the time involved to do the account creation etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by drivedoctor View Post

      The bottom line is... well.... the bottom line... are clicks converting to sales enough to make all the backlinking efforts worth it?... or would PPC marketing or another strategy get more sales?

      I've really enjoyed keeping up with this thread... Thanks Terry.
      Update coming shortly DD. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

        Something I just noticed last night.

        I think it was vBulletin boards (same kind of forums used here). Click on a members name in the actual forum (the place with my name to the left) and you'll see the standard 'view profile' n' such.. but.. you'll also find a 'visit members webpage' option as well.

        You're not getting your keywords with this method but you are receiving a link to your site every time you make a post and this method is 100% spam free, apparently is picked up by the SE's and bypasses sites with unviewable profiles.

        Opens up a lot of options for sites that I had written off as no good for backlinks.
        Hi J. Nice avatar!

        It's a pity this can't be checked with a Google Alert. Maybe this page would eventually show up in Google Webmaster Tools. Thanks for sharing.

        vBulletin Tip:
        Just on vBulletin, if you create an account and get the usual "a moderator will eventually approve your account blah blah", try asking for a new password as though you have suddenly 'forgotten' it. This seems to activate accounts without mod approval and the new accounts do seem to stick.

        I really owe my backlinking masterblaster John Dales for finding this trick - nice work! (unlinked smiley, or is it?)
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    It's a pity this can't be checked with a Google Alert. Maybe this page would eventually show up in Google Webmaster Tools. Thanks for sharing.
    I found this when I was checking up on another sites backlinks. I'm not sure about google webmaster tools but they will show up through yahoo and the other backlink checking tools.

    http://google.com <- this is a test. Just want to see if warrior forum links are underlined or not... and they aren't.

    Your smiley face link test. Yes, this also works. The trick is to find a site that doesn't have underlined links or you'll end up with an underlined smiley face. Warrior forum, the way it is set up is an ideal candidate for these types of shenanigans.

    There are also forums that allow you to inject your own code in signatures which leads to creating invisible links n' such. Just a matter of ones html and css knowledge.

    It just isn't physically possible to genuinely participate in enough forums to get enough link juice to 'naturally' rank well.
    The trick to this is time management and keeping a schedule.

    Once you have your list of forums and blogs that you want to continually add comments and links, just set aside a day of the week to run through your list and add a comment to each one.

    Depending on the length of your list it might take 30 minutes or a few hours but it's time well spent.

    After a couple a weeks mix up and rotate the forums and blogs you are hitting so you're adding links in new places. Rinse and repeat, keeping mixing up your sites and stick to the schedule.

    Over time you'll have a lot of backlinks spread out all over the internet... which looks very organic and SE friendly.
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    Terry, your dating site, top notch. Very good work.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Traffic Travis Is a great tool, and has many more features included, but this is my favourite, and the one I use the most.
    I agree. For a free tool it does so much.

    speaking of... with the latest version, have you noticed anything funny with the backlink reports? They data doesn't always seem right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Big JP
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      I agree. For a free tool it does so much.

      speaking of... with the latest version, have you noticed anything funny with the backlink reports? They data doesn't always seem right.
      Yes You're rite, it doesn't seem to be up to scratch, I have only tried it a few times, but I prefer to just use Yahoo site explorer with SEOquake, that suits me fine.

      Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

      Thanks SmileySamurai - I mean JP!

      Is that tracking available for free in Traffic Travis or is that only with the paid one?

      Thanks for your input into the thread.
      "SmileySamurai" I really like that...Just thinking what I can use it for now, maybe I will name one of my children in the future with that name...

      Big JP Smiley Samurai Junior - Not bad Huh?

      As for the tracking being available in the free version, I am not entirely sure, as I have, wait for it.... Professional Version... Yeah Thats rite lol

      But "JasonMorgan" Seems to think It is available with some limits, so it may be worth checking out.

      All the Best

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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Terry,
    Being that I just installed SENuke I'd like to know your exact steps used with this software. I've already tried a few things and failed miserably. I feel like I'm bumping my head with different approaches only to find out that I'm not really doing much good and could possibly be hurting my sites. I've read on their forums only bits and pieces without a good understanding of why they use their tactics. If this is too much to ask I'll understand. Thanks for updating your experiment anyhow as I really do learn from others detailed experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
    Terry if you dont mind me asking this but how much are you paying your freelancer. Is it 50 profile links?

    I am getting let down by freelancers at the moment. They take a job and say it takes 2 days then after that becomes a week or weeks. Damn it have used 3 so far and have several penning jobs the delays are horrendous and only wish they could update me rather than me chase them after all. I have been getting them mainly from Digital Point so am trying to go to outsourcing sites now but just need to know roughly whats the going rate is?

    Wonder if its because I am to nice???? Maybe I need to scream down at them otherwise being Miss Nice isnt working and all i need is my backlinks

    And another note I hear SENuke is a serious SPAM machine...or its people abusing how its supposed to be used
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

      Terry if you dont mind me asking this but how much are you paying your freelancer. Is it 50 profile links?

      I am getting let down by freelancers at the moment. They take a job and say it takes 2 days then after that becomes a week or weeks. Damn it have used 3 so far and have several penning jobs the delays are horrendous and only wish they could update me rather than me chase them after all. I have been getting them mainly from Digital Point so am trying to go to outsourcing sites now but just need to know roughly whats the going rate is?

      Wonder if its because I am to nice???? Maybe I need to scream down at them otherwise being Miss Nice isnt working and all i need is my backlinks

      And another note I hear SENuke is a serious SPAM machine...or its people abusing how its supposed to be used
      Hi Sherry,

      I chose an elancer I trust at $75 for 150 sites (up to 3 links on each with a brief bio sentence and photo added to each profile).

      If you looked at the pics from my elance job above, I had quotes from $25 into hundreds. I settled on someone I knew.

      Sorry to hear about your freelance trouble - when you find good ones, treat them well and keep them!

      IMO, screaming at anyone for anything isn't on but I know you were kidding about that (I think).

      My main backlinking guy is Warrior John Dales (I've linked his name) - he's rock solid and my backup is QuickExpress (Soniya) on Elance. They are both very professional and have my trust.

      If you use them, please look after them and negotiate realistic timeframes.

      Also Sherry, did you PM me back about the updated 811 sites file yet?

      Anything automated can be regarded as a 'spam machine' but you'll soon see some pretty interesting alternatives when the tactical part of my WSO is finished (including Sean Donohoe's stuff!).
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

        Terry,
        Being that I just installed SENuke I'd like to know your exact steps used with this software. I've already tried a few things and failed miserably. I feel like I'm bumping my head with different approaches only to find out that I'm not really doing much good and could possibly be hurting my sites. I've read on their forums only bits and pieces without a good understanding of why they use their tactics. If this is too much to ask I'll understand. Thanks for updating your experiment anyhow as I really do learn from others detailed experience.
        Hi T.

        There's a lot to come to terms with on SENuke so don't give up. Just methodically work through their training videos on each of the modules.

        SENuke isn't completely automatic and sometimes you need to manually intervene to correct this or that.

        Take it one module at a time and keep practising.

        You DEFINITELY can't hurt your sites with SENuke - you are using normal Web 2.0 sites AND if SENuke could hurt a site, I'd zap that EZA article guy ahead of me in the reverse phone lookup niche! Just kidding - or am I?

        Apart from the SEN training videos, this is one of Areeb/Joe's exact methods (written for the previous version of SEN so hopefully all the steps still work for the current version) - I've posted this here before so this is an encore:

        1. Choose a product

        1. Digital Products Retailer: Affiliate Program & Sell Online - ClickBank ->Marketplace->Category->Pick product with grav at least 60
        2. Make sure alexa rank of product is less than 300,000
        3. Look over sales page and make sure it's good. if something has an alexa ranking of less than 100,000 then its good.
        4. Create hoplink->Clickbank nickname = [your clickbank id]
        5. Copy and save the link at the top... called the "affiliate link"

        2. Keyword Research

        1. Brainstorm a keyword that people would use to search for your product.
        2. Open up SEnuke and type that keyword (max 4 words) into SEnuke: "Keyword to research" box.
        3. Search for->Keywords on Google keywords tool.
        4. Type captcha and click "get keyword ideas".
        5. Wait for page to load... make sure keywords are relevant or try another keyword.
        6. Click on "copy keywords for batch research".
        7. Click on "Find competition".
        8. Now you will pick a keyword to target. Make sure difficulty rating is "extremely easy" or "easy". And search count is at least 100. Higher the search count, the better. ALSO, make sure that the keyword has a "Search count for the past month" associated with it. If a keyword has a search count for the previous month, this improves reliability of the average search count (from my experience). Even better, use this trick to find a great keyword: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1121
        9. Also, make sure keyword is relevant.
        10. Double click keyword that is either extremely easy or easy... with highest search count... to copy it to clipboard.
        11. Save this keyword for future reference.

        3. Writing article

        1. SEnuke->Social Network Nuke->Type in keyword at top
        2. "Download article from Ezinearticles"
        3. Go to preview tab.
        4. Keep clicking button until you find an article between 300-400 words.
        5. Read that article, and make sure that you can talk about the product in the article.
        6. Once you find a good article that you can use to promote the product, you will change the article.
        7. Go to "Create spinner article" tab.
        8. Select a sentence, go into "edit box", press Enter after the initial sentence and type in a replacement for that sentence. Type 2 sentence variations and press "Apply". All sentence variations should say the same thing.
        9. Repeat this for the entire article, re-writing every sentence 3 times.
        10. After this, click the "Check Uniqueness" button. Make sure uniqueness is at least 30%.
        11. Copy the "title" into the beginning of the article and add 2 sentence variations. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 appears exactly as it is written in the title of the article, preferably twice. For example: "Phone reversal, Use phone reversal to find out who that cell phone belongs to."
        12. Cut and paste the title out of the article into the "title field" again.
        13. Write a sentence at the top of the article to motivate people to click and go to product sales page.
        14. Right-click on sentence and click on "add link to selected anchor text".
        15. Paste your affiliate link in here.
        16. Now select everything from <a... to </a> and right click and click on "Bold selected text".
        17. Click on "preview sample article" tab to make sure you get a bolded link.
        18. Now copy that link and paste it to the bottom of the article as well.
        19. Find an image to use for the product (like a box cover or something) and add that near the top of the article by right clicking in the article editor and selecting "Add image.." and pasting the image URL. This image can be usually found on the product sales page.
        20. Underneath the image, write 5 key problems that the product solves. Underneath these 5 points, add your affiliate link again, with a "click here" anchor text.
        21. ALSO, near the bottom of the article, write a statement like "Other sites worth checking out".. press Enter and on the next line add this piece of code:
        Quote:
        #randurls[4|1|new line|]#
        This piece of code adds random links to other submissions that you've done in the past, to build backlinks for them.

        19. Think of 5 words to put in tags that are related to your product/article and make SURE that the keyword you chose in step 2 is the first of these words. (separated by comma).
        20. Take your keyword and change it to one word without spaces (copy it into the article body). Re-write this word 4 different times using hyphens, numbers, and letters. The keyword MUST appear in here exactly as you chose it. Click apply and cut and paste this back into the domain field.

        4. Submit article.

        1. Select "blogspot". Make sure nothing else is selected, and click Start.
        2. Wait for captcha and enter it and press continue. Let the program finish.
        3. Click on "copy URL list" after submission is completed, and save this for reference. This is your blog URL.
        4. Go back to the article, delete the link at the top and the link at the bottom.
        5. Now write a sentence at the bottom which is inviting, something like: To perform a reverse cell phone lookup and find out who that number belongs to, please check out this phone reversal website.
        6. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 is in that sentence exactly as it appears. Now add 2 variations to this sentence as well using the edit box.
        7. Right click on the keyword + a couple other words if required and click on "add link to selected anchor text" and paste your blog URL.
        8. Now you are ready to submit the article.
        9. Click on the "select all" checkbox at the top and select appropriate categories for the article. Update: DON'T select the article directories, only the social networking sites.
        10. Then click on "Start!"
        11. If border turns yellow, it wants you to enter the captcha and press "Continue". Use the "pause" feature at the top if you can't enter the captcha easily.
        12. Once submission report comes up click on "Save report" and save it somewhere.
        13. Now click on "Send to pinger". Then click on "Start pinging!" and wait for the pinging to finish.

        5. Submitting social bookmarks and RSS feeds.

        1. Click on "social bookmark nuke" tab. Click on "use sites from last social network nuke submission".
        2. Change setting: Bookmark 2 random websites.
        3. Copy title and tags from social network nuke to social bookmark nuke.
        4. Type a small one or two sentence description. Something like: Ever wanted to know who that certain cell phone number belongs to? Then check this out.
        5. Select all websites, choose a Digg and Propeller category, and click Start!
        6. Make sure you have about 6 browser windows running at the same time by clicking the "New browser" button repetitively. Then click on "Tile Vertically" So that you can see all the windows.
        7. Every time a window turns yellow, click on "Pause" at the top to stop everything and enter the captcha. Then press continue. After entering all the captchas, press Unpause.
        8. Wait for all windows to turn blue.
        9. Click on "Rss nuke" tab.
        10. Copy tags over, change setting to submit 2 RSS feeds.
        11. Click on "use RSS feeds from last social network nuke submission." Make sure all the websites in the website list have to do with your keyword.
        12. Select all the websites, choose categories, and hit Start!
        13. If border turns yellow, enter captcha, and do everything else like you did before. Wait for all windows to turn blue.

        ALL DONE!
        One final step: Go into social network nuke, save project. Now wait about 1 week to start seeing affiliate sales in your clickbank account. Rinse and repeat


        Hope that helps T.
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      Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

      I have been getting them mainly from Digital Point
      That's your problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Is that tracking available for free in Traffic Travis or is that only with the paid one?
    The keyword tracking is available in the free version of Traffic Travis, the only catch is the free version will only check the top 50 results.

    As far as I can tell, everything that is available with the paid version is also available with the free version, there are just some limitations like mentioned above.

    I think it's a good starter tool. Many other tools offer more advanced features or better indepth features but for free you can't complain too much.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Awesome thanks again. BTW just downloaded your WSO and man so far it's like an "uh ha!" moment if that makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    I am going to try to give some pointers on using Terry kyle's backlinking method for your money site, and in the process making your link building more authoritative, which will help in the long run, as these will build links quickly as well as with more "link reputation" meaning more value for your backlinks. So let's get started.

    one more i am experimenting with senuke is to create a 3000 words spinnable content that will shrink down to 400-500 words with 60 unique % and then blast it on the same account, this way you can be authoritative and increase your chances of ranking even longer and higher in the serps. Same account meaning, your same profile's blog say same squidoo account.

    Another step in making sense and adding an authoritative element to the forum clustering is writing a "bridge content". Say if you promoting on a computer forum, and your niche is get your ex back, you can come with various creative ideas to bridge those 2 points together which at the same time should add value. So how can you bridge it? Something like "My Ex's favorite webcam" or "How my Ex bought a dell notebook for $300" something like that. That would be a bridge content and if you link that on your signature, which would never let the forum admin ban you you can also link to one of your profile sites that has a "bridge content"

    Now, we talked about making web 2.0 content and forum clustering authoritative, now let talk about profile sites. This is similar to the previous one, this also uses bridge content, Choose 100 profile sites that you like and have a home page PR of 7-9. Then every day post 3 bridge content to each of those sites. Say your profile site is Ted.com, then your niche is again "get you ex back" you can write "What qualities my Ex likes about Steve Jobs" and write how you both enjoyed watching one of the TED interviews, say bill gates and steve jobs, yes this requires a little research on the profile sites. But hey, its worth it and it will make content more interesting and also add authoritative element to it.

    I am planning to do a wso on this, which covers in depth details on "how to create a authorized web 2.0, profile and forum links and content which would triple your link reputation value that you get out of your link building campaigns".

    Hope this little teaser helps you a lot.

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
    Well I must say that was an incredible read! I've gotten a lot of ideas on various topics including:
    • SENuke
      • I actually didn't realize all the things you could do with SENuke, I'm still on the 7day trial but it looks like I'll be keeping SENuke to further help my projects. I actually stumbled on this thread searching for posts that talked about SENuke. I gotta say I found what I was looking for!
    • LinkWheels
      • I created a successful linkwheel of 10 sites, nothing in comparable to your 28 sites but I figure I can build linkwheel on top of linkwheel and just expand it out with some random interlinking to my main site and other layers of the linkwheel to make it difficult for Google to track. Right now I only have one outerlayer in my linkwheel
    • Angela and PJ's Backlinks
      • Now I outsource my links to Paul directly, and have them linked to my main sites, but the concept of linking to articles that link to my main site is a relatively new concept to me. Hopefully I will be able to start doing this - perhaps by outsourcing on Elance as well as to Paul directly.
    Thank You so much for sharing all the information you've shared. I bet you get thanked a lot but it certainly was worth the hour I spent slowly reading this thread and taking notes .
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  • Profile picture of the author pons_saravanan
    Hi Terry
    Thank you the great experment.

    I am reading this post daily from past few weeks, i have learnt a lot from you. And implemented few things for me and they are all doing good.

    I would like to learn few more things from you. From your experience are no-follow links considered good for improving for SERPs? or not at all useful interms of SERPs.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Wow, this is an interesting thread if I've ever seen one!

    I've learned a lot, just from reading through these pages. Thanks a lot Terry, for sharing this with us.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluenetworx
    Awesome thread Terry, I just spent 4 hours reading it from the start and there is some great stuff being revealed here. I am keen to follow this one for a while.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author tclendaniel
      I started reading this thread just to follow the experiments and their results. However, I'm finding that the commentary has provided me more education than I had really bargained for. So first of all, thanks to Terry for the thread. Second, thanks to all the other participants for helping tutor me. You guys and gals are the very best!
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  • Profile picture of the author PSM
    Hi Terry/Mark,

    Is this the backlink booster you're talking about:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-rankings.html

    Because I couldn't actually see a WSO by that name.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
    "Not sure what you mean by ruining the process D but I do go into all my backlinking principles in that report."

    What I meant was something that Mystic posted in the Angela thread. See the first 3 or 4 I did I didn't RSS feeding them because I didn't know. Then when someone said RSS feed your links I made the assumption I was supposed to RSS feed MY site. So guess what I did? I RSS feed all my pages on my site (this was another site I had built not the one I'm working on now) I stopped because it didn't feel right and I darn sure don't know a thing about RSS feeds! So I purchased Big Mikes RSS bot, but because I still wasn't clear and didn't understand how to create a feed, I never used it. That was after creating another 8 site profiles for me and a friend.

    So NOW I understand you are supposed to RSS feed the link your profile is on!!! That wasn't clear, to me, in A&P's packages. AT ALL.

    It's hard being new to IM! And I've been on line now for 12 years and this is my 2nd real attempt at IM. And that was 5 years ago without all this social network, RSS feeds and bots, first page of G and SEO. Build content and G will find you as people searched for your uniqueness aka niche. That's was WAY back in the day! Heck before G and Y I was using Metacrawler and Lycos!! HAHAHA

    So thanks so much!
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    Great job! Keep it up
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  • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
    I think I did it right this time.

    I belong to 2 sites that I'm fairly active in. So I created my links, one with 2 links but hidden behind a smiley face the other behind and !, with the other site I just put my anchor text out there and did 2.

    Then I logged out and found my profile and copied the url in my text file and noted what I did and what my anchor text was for that site.

    I then went and made the Data Feed per the feedage and then checked it with Vaidator at W3C. Both checked out fine.

    Then I went to create an account (?), wasn't sure about that so I just went to Pingoat and Pingomatic and feed the newly created Data Feed links in there.

    Hit send and it was sent.

    I think I got it now!!! The only thing was that was for blogs so I was a little hesitant as these were profiles sites but I sent it anyway.

    Also do I have to have a Feed Burner account? Well it seems because I have a blogger account, and adsense account and a gmail account G wants to just box me in to getting a Feed Burner account as well!! I want a little anonymity. I can't even get a separate adsense account. Makes no sense to me!

    Thanks! Learning a lot and hope to implement them and really test my site, my money making ability and all these little tricks out!
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    Have u made any sales yet ? also how much traffic are you getting . Very interesting thread , watching close
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    • Profile picture of the author perryny
      Hi Terry,

      I just spent my last 4 hours with you. Great thread and I'm increadibly anxious to see the final tallys.

      The amount of information in this thread, much of which is somewhat disconnected from the main theme, is absolutely priceless.

      Thanks so much,
      -Robert
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      Hi Terry,

      Wanted to say thanks - this is a great piece of work

      *tips hat*

      Ed
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        OK - back to business here. Thank you for the awesome support above! I'll come back to specific questions in a moment.

        My sample Elance job is now finished. I documented all of the setup stage with pics in an earlier post on this thread.

        QuickExpress (one of my trusted elancers) has now finished the job so I need to check their work and pay them.

        Here's how:




        ** Rarely 100% - always a few accounts disabled.






        Pics continued in next post >>>>>>>>
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          Elance job completion continued:




          ** Elance hold the money until you are satisfied with the completed work.






          I would then send a PM to the elancer to thank them for their work - good freelancers are a long term business asset so treat them accordingly.

          I'm going to grab the rankings for those 3 sites of mine backlinked in this job now, for the terms:

          backlinks
          gas pressure washer
          ways to propose marriage

          I'll use the GoogleGlobal plugin for Firefox so that I can check the USA results right now.

          See you in a minute!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Site 1: HTML site with WP blog in subfolder, one post only, all backlinks directed to that single post inner page for "backlinks":

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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Site 2: HTML site with WP blog in sub-folder with all backlinks pointing to one WP post inner page (what a surprise!) optimised for "gas pressure washer". All syndicated content, ignored in my backlinking for a while - not my finest IM moment I'm afraid:

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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Older GoArticle: semi-neglected but has a bit of SERP momentum now:


                By the way, if you're in the US, I'd love to know if GoogleGlobal is giving me accurate USA results in London!
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                • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                  Top 5 results are identical here for Google/US. I get 2,640,000 pages though :-)

                  Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                  Older GoArticle: semi-neglected but has a bit of SERP momentum now:


                  By the way, if you're in the US, I'd love to know if GoogleGlobal is giving me accurate USA results in London!
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                  • Profile picture of the author warrior123
                    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                    Older GoArticle: semi-neglected but has a bit of SERP momentum now:


                    By the way, if you're in the US, I'd love to know if GoogleGlobal is giving me accurate USA results in London!
                    I'm seeing that GoArticle ranked #9 for that keyword phrase in the US.

                    BTW, I get 2,660,000 page results.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by Jayson L View Post

                  I have started to put my backlinks that I create on a page on some of my free blogs and then use pingler, or pingomatic to get them noticed. My backlinks are getting indexed at a lot higher rate now. Give it a try and see how it works for you.
                  True J - pinging can help and it's part of making the most of our backlinks.

                  I can't wait to virtually automate the process of 'backlinking our backlinks' with Warrior Sean Donohoe's Backlink Booster.

                  Out next week I think. Go Sean!

                  The more time I spend in IM (a fair bit at the moment as you can imagine!), the more I'm hungry for automated solutions and outsourcing.

                  I try out most new programs and consider the money spent an investment in my eventual optimum business model i.e. figuring exactly what I do need and what I don't need to bother with.

                  I have no intention of dying wondering, "What if I'd tried X way back in 2009?". For example, I'm struggling with the value of SENuke at the moment for reasons I'll go into shortly but am really glad I've been trying it.

                  I really believe that major long term IM success is built on relationship development, product creation (especially through 'gap spotting' which is precisely what I did with my WSO) and finding platforms for products (e.g. banner ads on relevant forums) NOT getting bogged down in tasks that must be delegated elsewhere.

                  I also hugely believe in Eben Pagan's principle of giving huge value for a relatively small price and that concept was instrumental in my WSO and my 2 books on Amazon (even Steven '7 Habits' Covey endorsed one of those!).

                  Hopefully you can apply that in what you are doing now - if you aren't already of course!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

                    Terry,
                    It's me again with a question. Aren't you concerned that the out sourced work will soon be taken down as many of my back links from Angela and PJ's have? After getting your WSO I don't even know why you would join "the herd" and even use these links let alone pay someone to create the links. I'm not knocking Angela or PJ at all as I still have their monthly WSO's but have noticed a fair share of them not working past day 1 of each release. So far using your method I'm finding a much higher retention rate. Just wondering.

                    Also, as for SENuke, I'm finding that around 50% of the article site are not working and that the profile nuke is also a tad lame with limited abilities. The bookmarking, RSS feeds and pinger feature are great but certainly not worth the $127 monthly. Your thoughts again?
                    Hi Bruce,

                    All good points so let me tackle them one by one:

                    Aren't you concerned that the out sourced work will soon be taken down as many of my back links from Angela and PJ's have?

                    I wanted to run a sample elance job on the most typical IM job that I could think of, namely, backlinking Angela and PJs monthly sites packets. Many of those sites might come down but if you recall my Panic Attacks article above Bruce, that took over 1000 backlinks to get to number one (which sparked a quick 'arms race' retaliation from a couple of Squidoo sites).

                    Therefore, I knew that those 150 links would not be make-or-break in the eventual ranking of those sites. In short, it was a 'show job' for the benefit of readers of this thread.

                    I hope that Warriors still uncertain about outsourcing or elance were encouraged to outsource and didn't have to risk/waste their $75 on seeing how it all works.

                    So far using your method I'm finding a much higher retention rate.

                    Awesome. Building your OWN backlinks Power List is CRUCIAL.

                    As for SENuke...the bookmarking, RSS feeds and pinger feature are great but certainly not worth the $127 monthly. Your thoughts again?

                    I know many Warriors have had great results with SENuke and I am not at all disputing that - I just haven't been able to replicate their success with it. My main issue with SENuke isn't the price. For a decent IM business, $127 a month is pennies and I spend WAY more than that every month on all the different bits of my business.

                    The nagging problem I have with SENuke is that ultimately it isn't hitting that many different sites. Every day, new services and programs are coming along that can - at least in theory - deliver a much bigger punch for less money. If we are trying to simulate a viral article or blog post, 100ish sites just won't do that. And even if I build 900,000 backlinks using SENuke (I did consider it for a moment!), they would all only be coming from say 100 sites. That doesn't simulate a viral post at all which would have huge IP diversity and geodiversity.

                    So if SENuke isn't hitting that many sites (I haven't counted them by the way but it must be under 100 if all are used?), then the configuration of links created is crucial. And as yet, I haven't found that magic configuration of those relatively small number of sites.

                    However, when this experiment ends (which it might not!), I'll devote more time to it - though to be honest, I'd rather pay an SENuke Jedi to do it for me!

                    Pretty lazy huh Bruce?
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                • Profile picture of the author NaturalStyle
                  Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                  By the way, if you're in the US, I'd love to know if GoogleGlobal is giving me accurate USA results in London!
                  An idea for everybody facing the same problem (I do): I've installed a free proxy script on one of my US-hosted sites so I can check the google rankings in the US while travelling abroad.

                  If you don't want to install your own proxy, there are tons of free proxies sorted by country available at

                  Proxy Servers Sorted By Country - Page 11 of 21
                  (this will bring up the US based proxies)

                  - NS
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                  • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                    Originally Posted by NaturalStyle View Post

                    An idea for everybody facing the same problem (I do): I've installed a free proxy script on one of my US-hosted sites so I can check the google rankings in the US while travelling abroad.

                    If you don't want to install your own proxy, there are tons of free proxies sorted by country available at

                    Proxy Servers Sorted By Country - Page 11 of 21
                    (this will bring up the US based proxies)

                    - NS
                    Rank Tracker by link-assistant gives you your ranking for specified search terms in any Google (or other major search engine you want). Want Google AUS? Sure. Google UK? Sure.
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                    • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
                      thmgoodw

                      I was looking at that earlier but with so much to learn thought I would wait till I got to that point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
    Terry,
    This is just after your post above.

    It is #8 on google.com.au

    Well done mate
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  • Profile picture of the author brp002
    See you can bookmark your articles which gives your article good SEO value and then gives your website good SEO value. Its a win win situation and I love winning when it comes to money
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Terry,
    It's me again with a question. Aren't you concerned that the out sourced work will soon be taken down as many of my back links from Angela and PJ's have? After getting your WSO I don't even know why you would join "the herd" and even use these links let alone pay someone to create the links. I'm not knocking Angela or PJ at all as I still have their monthly WSO's but have noticed a fair share of them not working past day 1 of each release. So far using your method I'm finding a much higher retention rate. Just wondering.

    Also, as for SENuke, I'm finding that around 50% of the article site are not working and that the profile nuke is also a tad lame with limited abilities. The bookmarking, RSS feeds and pinger feature are great but certainly not worth the $127 monthly. Your thoughts again?
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Thanks for taking the time to answer this in detail for me and I'm impressed that you remembered my name amongst the 100's of people asking you for your advise. That's awesome to hear that some people are getting great results but I'm not very impressed with SENuke and will probably discontinue the service until the updated version roles around. I'm also looking forward to trying the EVO II which should be due out in two days.
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  • Profile picture of the author jmorgan17
    Hi Terry, Learned tremendous info checking out your experiment and reading through it. Seems to be very popular and great interaction. Im a noob but been doing my due dilligence on researching links, comment luv follows vs no follows, trying Angelas, etc., Then tonight I read something disturbing and was hoping, you might or someone here might, answer this question regarding RSS and feedburner eating up link juice. Is it true that if you use feedburner direct your title gets linked to the rss link and provides no SEO benefits? So I freaked and went into my feedburner account and unchecked the "item link clicks" Any thoughts? Still mucking my way through this tech stuff and not smelling to good! Someday I'll be the rose, for now still sifting through fertilizer.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    jmorgan,
    I think the fertilizer smells good because it promotes future growth meaning that if you continue your efforts regardless of most of the non-sense that you read you'll prosper and do very well. Worst case scenario is that the links built won't count for much but the others will make your site(s) do very well. This is my view on things and it tends to be true for most cases. I've continued trucking even if I read this or that can hurt only to find out that the more work I've put into my sites pays off in the long run, err sometime short runs as well. Best of luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sjedwardz
    Terry - Do you have more information on the "Simple Leveraging System" that you mentioned in a previous post. All I can find is a blog with a few entries - most of which give error 404! But nothing about any form of system or service.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lawyer007
    unfortunately I just joined today and have a lot of reading to do through all 8 of these pages... This is such an interesting topic, thanks for putting in the effort and documenting for all of us!
    I am new to the SEO world so this might be a dumb question, what are you referring to when you say "IM"? Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author djbory
      Originally Posted by Lawyer007 View Post

      unfortunately I just joined today and have a lot of reading to do through all 8 of these pages... This is such an interesting topic, thanks for putting in the effort and documenting for all of us!
      I am new to the SEO world so this might be a dumb question, what are you referring to when you say "IM"? Thanks
      "IM" Refers to Internet Marketing or Internet Marketer, depending on the context of the sentence...

      Don't worry about asking anything that you don't understand, we all have been there at one point...

      DJBory
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  • Profile picture of the author tdotbaby
    Very insightful thread..
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  • Profile picture of the author NickMik
    I'm fairly new to IM and trying to figure out if anyone know generally how long it takes for links to begin to show up in something like yahoo site explorer or google webmaster tools?? I've been following some of Terry's/Angelas ways of building links and was just curious

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author djbory
      Originally Posted by NickMik View Post

      I'm fairly new to IM and trying to figure out if anyone know generally how long it takes for links to begin to show up in something like yahoo site explorer or google webmaster tools?? I've been following some of Terry's/Angelas ways of building links and was just curious

      Thanks
      Those kind of links which I call "Profiles Backlinks" Takes longer to show up, and some of them never does, however, they work very nice and you will get results with those links but remember to diversify to get better results...

      I bookmark every profile link with a software to help Google to find them faster. Socialbot will do it, or if you are short of money you can use Onlywire, not as good as the others but it does the job... I usually get a bust in less than 24 hours every time I do that
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by djbory View Post

        Those kind of links which I call "Profiles Backlinks" Takes longer to show up, and some of them never does, however, they work very nice and you will get results with those links but remember to diversify to get better results...

        I bookmark every profile link with a software to help Google to find them faster. Socialbot will do it, or if you are short of money you can use Onlywire, not as good as the others but it does the job... I usually get a bust in less than 24 hours every time I do that
        Agree! some profiles might not even show, but when you track the keyword ranking for your page, it rises! This means they are working, rather well!

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      • Profile picture of the author sjedwardz
        djbory - I've also got socialbot - which bookmark sites do you use and which ones to you find work the best?


        Originally Posted by djbory View Post

        Those kind of links which I call "Profiles Backlinks" Takes longer to show up, and some of them never does, however, they work very nice and you will get results with those links but remember to diversify to get better results...

        I bookmark every profile link with a software to help Google to find them faster. Socialbot will do it, or if you are short of money you can use Onlywire, not as good as the others but it does the job... I usually get a bust in less than 24 hours every time I do that
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        • Profile picture of the author djbory
          Originally Posted by sjedwardz View Post

          djbory - I've also got socialbot - which bookmark sites do you use and which ones to you find work the best?
          Try to use as many as you can, and to save time you may use those without CAPCHA code... I find that the following always appear in the first and second page of Google results really quick when you do a Title search:

          folkd
          digg
          propeller
          mixx.com
          jumptags

          Djbory
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          • Profile picture of the author sjedwardz
            Thanks - I've actually stopped using socialbot and am now using BMD as you can easily add a ton of profile urls and let it run.

            Socialbot doesn't seem to have any functionality to easily add a list of urls and let it run. Also BMD will also sprinkle in some random bookmarks to make your list seem more natural.


            Originally Posted by djbory View Post

            Try to use as many as you can, and to save time you may use those without CAPCHA code... I find that the following always appear in the first and second page of Google results really quick when you do a Title search:

            folkd
            digg
            propeller
            mixx.com
            jumptags

            Djbory
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            • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
              Thought I might add this as profile links using Angela's, etc. are a big part of this thread, and this method significantly speeds things up, for free.

              You will need

              Copy of FireFox

              Copy of Shortkeys Lite - Search Google for Shortkeys Lite
              (apparently I am to much of a noob to post links sorry ...)

              Set of Profile Link Sites

              Step #1

              Install Shortkeys Lite

              In Shortkeys Lite
              Go to Options --> Preferences --> General -->

              Click the radio button for use prefix key and set the prefix to zz

              zz followed by another letter will trigger the program to fill in any text that you want. You can set what you want it to write by going to

              Shortkeys --> Add Shortkey

              Currently I am using

              zza - first name
              zzz - last name
              zzs - user name
              zzx - password
              zzf - email
              zzv - url of my site
              zzb - bio with html link to my site
              zzm - bio with BB code link to my site
              zzq - home town
              zzw - home state
              zze - zip
              zzr - KW (sometimes you have to use their icon to set a URL
              you just erase the regular code insert this then use their
              icon to set the URL)

              Step #2


              Take your list of profile sites and break it in to lists of 20 URL's, and put
              the 20 URL's into this format, (if your email account is not with gmail that you will be using substitute the correct URL)

              gmail Url|profile url 1|profile url2|....


              Note the | symbol in between each URL this on most keyboards is the symbol you get by hitting Shift \

              Open Firefox go to Tools --> Options and paste your set of 21 URL's in the
              home page area. The next time that you hit the home key you will be opening all 20 sites + your email account site simultaneously.

              Now hit home

              Step #3


              I was going to stick a picture here but once again the noob rule, lol.

              Now click on register for each of the sites if you are not already on that page by clicking on each tab.

              Use your shortkeys shortcuts to fill in the blanks without having to actually type hardly anything you can blast through 100 in 6-7 hours.

              You can use your open email account to confirm any account that you need to. I usually put the email account it on the right side and work from the right to the left since new pages open on the right when you confirm them.


              Have fun
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                OK routine backup before installing Windows 7 is taking forever - grrrrrrrr.

                All will be revealed tomorrow!
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                • Profile picture of the author spaxton1
                  Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                  OK routine backup before installing Windows 7 is taking forever - grrrrrrrr.

                  All will be revealed tomorrow!
                  Terry... You big tease! I've been following this since day one... I was pretty excited to finally find out about all the results and the "secret" experiments you kept hinting about.
                  When you mentioned earlier that you were going to reveal all today (keep the shirt on, please) I was excited like a kid at Christmas. But then Santa called and bumped back Christmas one day-- Doh! I guess I'll wait one more day to see the big reveal.
                  Can't wait to see what the real results are! Terry, the only hang-up I've had with your experiment is that it is specific to 3rd party domains (article directory) instead of privately owned domains, like my own sites. But hey, I can't complain, still learned a lot and I think the results may be similar.

                  Thanks for your experiment, its been a great idea from day one. I'm sure everyone would agree. Can't wait to see the results...
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                  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                    Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

                    Can't wait to see what the real results are! Terry, the only hang-up I've had with your experiment is that it is specific to 3rd party domains (article directory) instead of privately owned domains, like my own sites. But hey, I can't complain, still learned a lot and I think the results may be similar.

                    Thanks for your experiment, its been a great idea from day one. I'm sure everyone would agree. Can't wait to see the results...
                    Same here... , this experiment has been very exciting!
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                  OK routine backup before installing Windows 7 is taking forever - grrrrrrrr.
                  Ah but well worth the time. I'm loving Windows 7. Much more productive for me. Even speeds the time with backlinking. Everything runs so much smoother.
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        • Profile picture of the author jpaissa27
          Hey Matt, Thanks for your reply.



          I am wondering about spyglass working for ezinearticles for backlinks?

          Is it me or the free version won't work for ezinearticles and goarticles?


          Thank you!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Interesting discussions above! Thank you Warriors.

            OK I'm going off topic of this thread - sort of - but for those of you addicted to experiments like this one, I am about to kick off another one for my list - and, as usual, it's all free stuff.

            Why am I not running it here?

            I feel that one big experiment on WF a year is enough and I don't want to semi-monopolise this sub-forum with yet another experiment here, not so soon anyway!

            So Terry, what on Earth is this new experiment about?

            PageRank.

            Huh?

            Yep, PageRank.

            Now before you call the psychiatrists, let me explain.

            Though not directly relevant to SERP rankings (not in the normal way we think of pages competing anyway), using the power of PageRank can potentially be very positively harnessed.

            At least that's what this experiment will examine.

            How can PageRank help your IM business?

            [1] Siteflips. If you are flipping one of your sites, buyers, rightly or wrongly (OK wrongly) will usually like to see decent PR for that site - therefore knowing how to boost that efficiently (but not faking it! I will be going into that in detail) could be really valuable;

            [2] High PR Homepage backlinks (the 'Holy Grail' of backlinks?).

            If you have a high-ish PR site or three in your portfolio (think of PageRank as TrustRank or as Steve Morgan suggests, CrawlRank), it could be useful in getting a brand new site or article indexed quickly with an undiluted homepage backlink (theoretically the best kind) AND you can make it a contextual link near the top of the page (theoretically the best place) rather than a footer, text only link or inner page where PR is (supposedly) diluted.

            Let's test and see.

            Homepage backlinks - normally hideously expensive to buy/rent - are a major part of the appeal of LinkVana, which I joined a week or so ago to evaluate (I really do need counselling for my SEO curiosity). I'll write about LinkVana in much more detail another time but my first impression is that users have to do an awful LOT of work or article/post buying to get backlink volume there, especially for $147 a month!

            [3] The Sandbox (if it exists). If you have a site or article that is in freefall or has been sandboxed (again, if it exists), nice homepage PR links might help arrest that decline.

            Let's test and see with YOUR sandboxed sites and MY higher PR sites!.

            [4] If you have one or more higher PR sites (discussed more below), you can (theoretically - let's see) use those to boost the PR of your other sites which will boost any backlinks on those pages too. This is why lower PR backlinks sites can be useful; as their PR rises, the link boost is increased (and they are usually less moderated than ultra-high PR backlinks sites too).

            [5] Renting homepage backlinks on a high PR site could be a nice IM sideline business - let's find out.

            Remember - my new experiment does NOT have affiliate links, my broadcast messages NEVER have ANY affiliate links and the information there is all F-R-E-E.

            It all starts tomorrow (Wednesday night, February 3, 2010), has no fixed deadline and will feature YOUR input, comments and questions all along the way.

            If you aren't on my free list yet (why not?), you can sign up here:

            Backlinks Black Belt Free Reports

            and join in the fun! See ya there. BTW, anybody keeping an eye on my Yeast Infection article rankings?
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            • Profile picture of the author junkdna
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

              Interesting discussions above!

              Homepage backlinks - normally hideously expensive to buy/rent - are a major part of the appeal of LinkVana, which I joined a week or so ago to evaluate (I really do need counselling for my SEO curiosity). I'll write about LinkVana in much more detail another time but my first impression is that users have to do an awful LOT of work or article/post buying to get backlink volume there, especially for $147 a month!
              This is something I would like to vehemently confirm. LinkVana is based on such an ridiculous business model. You are supposed to pay them $147 a month, for a privilege of working for them for free. And at that, not just working for free, working a lot for free. If we are parting with our money, we should be saving the time. With LinkVana you waste money and you waste time. Practically it is a double loss.
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  • Profile picture of the author willz605
    Hello everyone...

    could someone please explain to me why Terry says to backlink and inner page as opposed to the home page......I'm just not getting it.

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Fantastic Terry.

    By far, one of the most informative threads ever on WF. Thanks for the time you're putting in to create this (I am sure it will be rewarded financially as well).
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    • Profile picture of the author Forest_Parks
      Been reading this thread for a while and missed it for last few weeks.... Looks like I came back just in time for the grand unveiling!

      Awesome work here Terry, we all appreciate it!
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  • Profile picture of the author nota-bene
    Damn....the time is upon us?!?!

    I was hoping this thread would never end! Looking forward to the great unveiling though
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    • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
      Terry, any update on Seans software release?
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      • Profile picture of the author FranMurray
        I have been sitting back and watching this one. I am happy someone has taken the time to walk through this for people, Thanks Terry.

        There are tricks in here that I am sure people have paid a handsome ransom to learn in the past (although not really new ... An Example: Finding real competition for a keyword).

        Terry is giving this information for free, he is giving away his time (being the most valuable asset that any of us have, right?) for free. It takes massive time to answer all the email and posts on this thread. So again Thanks Terry!

        A couple of questions for you Terry (This may be a little topic)

        1. Are you happy with that latest Hops to sales ratio?

        2. Are you opposed to using Xrummer Service? (I have had some success with it)

        Boiled down the sole reason we are all here on the WF is to learn ways make money. Obviously, better rankings equal better sales) All our goals are the same, and Terry's sacrifice in time and resources demonstrate what the essence of this community really is all about.

        One last thought... I will continue to preach one thing though. I get asked all the time, what link package is the best? ALL OF THEM offered on the forum is a good place to start. The undertone of this thread clearly states that in so many ways. The three keys here are having ...

        1. A clearly defined linking strategy.

        2. Implement It!!

        3. Be Patient, your hard will pay off.

        Just My Two Cents,
        Francis

        P.S. I am in the process of planning a similar strategy for list building using nothing but GoArticles and EZA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Good Lord. This is monster thread. My laser printer just ran out of ink.

    Is there a summary of the main points somewhere without all of the "great thread" replies? I'd happily pay someone to summarize the main points and results.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasMeyers
    SEO- There is On-page and Off-page protocol that must be followed. On-page is titles, meta tags, descriptions, content, internal links and how the site works. Off page is the other 75%. Agree or Disagree
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    Welcome, I hope what I posted up there helped you. Good to chat with warrior legends, rising stars and forum newbies. Tom

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      At last - backups complete and Windows 7 in!

      Firstly some house keeping before the cloth comes off...

      Originally Posted by willz605 View Post

      Hello everyone...

      could someone please explain to me why Terry says to backlink and inner page as opposed to the home page......I'm just not getting it.

      thanks
      This is one of the best things I learned from Stompernet and has given me great results Will.

      Instead of pointing tons of links at a homepage which in theory doesn't look 'natural', create links FROM an inner page TO an inner page - these are the types of links that genuine authority sites or viral articles attract - SPECIFIC ones.

      Imagine this Will: tomorrow a brilliant new video is uploaded to YouTube featuring three squirrels juggling nuts. It's hilarious and becomes a huge hit (think 'Battle at Kruger' big - amazing video by the way).

      The links from people's blogs and sites WON'T connect to youtube dot com, they WILL connect to the specific page WITHIN YouTube.

      That's the principle; I've had great results with it and stick at it. In fact, I never backlink to my homepages if I can help it, it's linked from that inner page anyway and doing this can give give you a shot at a 'double listing' of 2 indented results locking up more screen real estate for you!

      Hope that clarifies.

      Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

      Terry, any update on Seans software release?
      Sean says next week Chris so fingers crossed!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by FranMurray View Post

        I have been sitting back and watching this one. I am happy someone has taken the time to walk through this for people, Thanks Terry.

        There are tricks in here that I am sure people have paid a handsome ransom to learn in the past (although not really new ... An Example: Finding real competition for a keyword).

        Terry is giving this information for free, he is giving away his time (being the most valuable asset that any of us have, right?) for free. It takes massive time to answer all the email and posts on this thread. So again Thanks Terry!

        A couple of questions for you Terry (This may be a little topic)

        1. Are you happy with that latest Hops to sales ratio?

        2. Are you opposed to using Xrummer Service? (I have had some success with it)

        Boiled down the sole reason we are all here on the WF is to learn ways make money. Obviously, better rankings equal better sales) All our goals are the same, and Terry's sacrifice in time and resources demonstrate what the essence of this community really is all about.

        One last thought... I will continue to preach one thing though. I get asked all the time, what link package is the best? ALL OF THEM offered on the forum is a good place to start. The undertone of this thread clearly states that in so many ways. The three keys here are having ...

        1. A clearly defined linking strategy.

        2. Implement It!!

        3. Be Patient, your hard will pay off.

        Just My Two Cents,
        Francis

        P.S. I am in the process of planning a similar strategy for list building using nothing but GoArticles and EZA.
        Hi Fran - glad you've joined the party bud - your reputation precedes you; where ya been?

        Seriously though, to your questions:

        1. Are you happy with that latest Hops to sales ratio?

        I'll go into that in a minute in real detail Fran but in short for now, no.

        2. Are you opposed to using Xrummer Service? (I have had some success with it)

        Not at all. I've never tried it but that has just been a 'I didn't get around to it' issue instead of anything else.

        From my limited understanding of it, my only concern is that forums get absolutely hammered by mass automation like that and quality forums for more stealth backlinking might be diminished.

        Though this might seem hypocritical, I don't like the fact that backlinking essentially creates a massive amount of junk on the web but at this point in time, it's pretty much the only way to get and hold good rankings on Google - who implicitly encourage backlink junk on the web.

        Readers of version 2.0 of my WSO might have figured out what my 2010 SEO focus will be - a system where such endless junk creation is completely unnecessary and much more 'link efficient'.

        1. A clearly defined linking strategy.

        2. Implement It!!

        3. Be Patient, your hard will pay off.

        Spot on Fran and I will be expanding on these a lot more in a moment in the experiment analysis.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        At last - backups complete and Windows 7 in!

        Firstly some house keeping before the cloth comes off...



        This is one of the best things I learned from Stompernet and has given me great results Will.

        Instead of pointing tons of links at a homepage which in theory doesn't look 'natural', create links FROM an inner page TO an inner page - these are the types of links that genuine authority sites or viral articles attract - SPECIFIC ones.

        Imagine this Will: tomorrow a brilliant new video is uploaded to YouTube featuring three squirrels juggling nuts. It's hilarious and becomes a huge hit (think 'Battle at Kruger' big - amazing video by the way).

        The links from people's blogs and sites WON'T connect to youtube dot com, they WILL connect to the specific page WITHIN YouTube.

        That's the principle; I've had great results with it and stick at it. In fact, I never backlink to my homepages if I can help it, it's linked from that inner page anyway and doing this can give give you a shot at a 'double listing' of 2 indented results locking up more screen real estate for you!

        Hope that clarifies.



        Sean says next week Chris so fingers crossed!
        I'm not sure I understand this completely. Focusing on backlinking your inner pages rather then your home page will also help the home page gain rankings for it's specific keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Oh the intrigue.....carry on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Roll those drums Bruce!

      Actually I already linked my smiley faces above to a couple of the articles - no amateur detectives online tonight apparently!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        OK and here comes the (possible) anti-climax.

        I chose Yeast Infections as my experiment niche.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Article 1 is here:

          Yeast Infection Home Remedy?: GoArticles.com

          under the pen-name Nicole Harris for the term, Yeast Infection Home Remedy.

          This is the article powered by IRRELEVANT links and peaked at #3.

          Though it has 400 backlinks, Backlinkwatchdotcom and SEO for Firefox are only showing it as having 31 and 33 backlinks respectively!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Article 2 is here:

            Challenge: GoArticles.com

            under the pen-name Daniela Murray for the term, How To Get Rid Of A Yeast Infection.

            This article also has roughly 400 backlinks and SEO for Firefox reports 55 backlinks and Backlinkwatchdotcom says 48 backlinks.

            Hopefully, it is becoming clear that:

            [a] reported backlinks for any site are a FRACTION of actual backlinks; and,

            [b] ranking is NOT just a mathematical 'arms race' of backlink numbers; sites ranking very high on Page 1 for the keywords of Article 1 and 2 have hardly any REPORTED links.

            Article 2 used relevant links (assuming LSI influence) until I literally exhausted all possible sites in terms of relevancy and in fact in the last week or so, started throwing some irrelevant links from much higher PR sites at it and THEN it started to move.

            Not only did relevant links not appear to help, Google didn't even want to index this article for something ridiculous like 6 weeks!

            I'll be showing CB stats after revealing the other sites...
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Dammit Bruce - my chronic yeast infection issues are public now!

              I know that these sites have 400 links as I set up 8 milestones of 50 backlinks each week for 8 weeks with my elancer, QuickExpress (Soniya). The supplied Excel spreadsheets checked out.

              OK Article 3 is here:

              Challenge: GoArticles.com

              under the pen-name Louise Adams for the term, Recurring Yeast Infections.

              This article - weirdly - is only reporting 9 backlinks in both Backlinkwatch and SEO for Firefox.
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Site 4 was NOT a GoArticle (phew!) but a new site with slightly customised WP blog here at:

                Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection

                but links were pointed to an inner page here:

                Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection? | Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection

                relying on Social Bookmarking 101 and no other backlinking whatsoever.

                SEO for Firefox is reporting 202 backlinks to this page and Backlinkwatch 122 backlinks.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Hi Mike - you're forgiven!

                  The IRRELEVANT sites came straight out of the backlinks packets of Angela, PJ and yours truly.

                  Forums on SQL programming and the social communities of Britney Spears easily qualify as irrelevant to yeast infections - though some may make unkind parallels in Britney's case!

                  Hope that clarifies.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    More, Mike - if another Internet Marketer has had success with relevant links, I do wish them well. I just haven't found any difference across my portfolio.

                    However, people I respect like Michael (Mininet) Campbell and Chad Kimball are big on relevancy so the debate continues...

                    One other issue if you are keen on throwing a LOT of links at a site is finding enough good PR sites that are relevant where backlinks can be put. Finding enough sites can be time consuming or expensive to outsource.

                    Love to hear your experience on this issue.

                    One other practical example is my site on the term backlinks which is about #10 on Page 1 or #11 on Page 2:

                    Backlinks: The Awful Truth | Backlinks: The Backlinks Black Belt Report

                    where all my backlinks to that inner page are IRRELEVANT and I'm up against a lot of backlinking baristas on that term.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                      Here is the hoplink raw traffic for the entire experiment period:


                      and if you search on those different yeast infection terms, none of the test sites is currently on Page 1 for its term.

                      If you remember that my high ranking Panic Attacks article above took over 1000 backlinks and a few months to rank well, 400 backlinks (so far - I'll go into that soon) is not enough to make a lasting dent on Page 1.

                      When we did spike up there, some sales were made.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                        Ignore the Panic and Phone stats here and take away 123 hops from our first Yeast Infection CB vendor where we just weren't getting conversions:



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                        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                          Hi J,

                          Presumably your home page is already optimised for a particular keyword and genuine viral articles/posts/pages (inner pages) are linked to from other inner pages so that is what we are trying to replicate.

                          If you look at my (pretty lame) gas pressure washer site, imaginatively domain-named gaspressurewasherhq.com, all of the links point to ONE deep inner page blog post (syndicated content actually but aided by Jeremy Kelsall's Content Blender plugin) but the listing on Page 1 of Google for the search term is NOT the blog post but the homepage.

                          In the past, this was quite often shown as a double listing for gas pressure washer - 2 results from the same site (mine).

                          Does that clarify J?
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                          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                            Oh and to back up Jazbo's 'copyrightworthy' catchphrase, I'm pretty sure that none of the backlinks to my gas pressure washer site inner blog post have anything to do with...gas pressure washers.

                            And that site was at #1 for a while until I fell asleep at the wheel on it...

                            But I did just link my smiley to it - thanks again JP!
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                            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                              It's getting kinda late now so tomorrow I will come back and do a proper analysis of the CB stats - there's hopefully plenty of food for thought there already.

                              WHAT NOW: THE NEXT MONTH?

                              My plan now is to throw out the 'single approach' of using one method for any site - I believe you have to use multi-pronged hybrid systems to get and keep traction.

                              I'll be throwing all my tricks at those 4 sites in the next month using everything I know so you can track their progress (or lack of it) now that you know the sites and keywords - a new phase of this experiment huh? And there are the three other secret tests in the same niche still to be unmasked!

                              I can see that my PM box is starting to go into meltdown now so I better head over there for a minute.

                              Thanks so much for all the encouragement and support so far on this cool journey we've shared - it's been awesome and the best part is that it's only really getting started now!

                              **Oh and one more polite reminder (if you haven't done this before), if you feel you've gotten anything new or useful or both from this thread and my time/money (outsourcers!) invested, please click on that "Thanks" button below there...**

                              See you soon partners!
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                              • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
                                You know, my site has info on yeast and how it affects diet. You could have asked me, could have save you some research!

                                I enjoyed this thread, I'm still learning so I know I will come back many many time.

                                My site is just about ready have a few more things to do and a few more content pages to add but I hope my Sunday I can start my G1 campaign.

                                Desiree



                                Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                                It's getting kinda late now so tomorrow I will come back and do a proper analysis of the CB stats - there's hopefully plenty of food for thought there already.

                                WHAT NOW: THE NEXT MONTH?

                                My plan now is to throw out the 'single approach' of using one method for any site - I believe you have to use multi-pronged hybrid systems to get and keep traction.

                                I'll be throwing all my tricks at those 4 sites in the next month using everything I know so you can track their progress (or lack of it) now that you know the sites and keywords - a new phase of this experiment huh? And there are the three other secret tests in the same niche still to be unmasked!

                                I can see that my PM box is starting to go into meltdown now so I better head over there for a minute.

                                Thanks so much for all the encouragement and support so far on this cool journey we've shared - it's been awesome and the best part is that it's only really getting started now!

                                **Oh and one more polite reminder (if you haven't done this before), if you feel you've gotten anything new or useful or both from this thread and my time/money (outsourcers!) invested, please click on that "Thanks" button below there...**

                                See you soon partners!
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                                • Profile picture of the author Big JP
                                  Originally Posted by desireeaib View Post

                                  You know, my site has info on yeast and how it affects diet. You could have asked me, could have save you some research!

                                  I enjoyed this thread, I'm still learning so I know I will come back many many time.

                                  My site is just about ready have a few more things to do and a few more content pages to add but I hope my Sunday I can start my G1 campaign.

                                  Desiree
                                  Haha!

                                  I know your secret

                                  JP
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                                    Before answering questions and comments, let me analyse results (so far) on Article 1.

                                    I think the most constructive and useful way to discuss these results is to look at them one by one, every day or two.

                                    So here are the raw stats from GoArticles and CB:




                                    Now here is my take on these figures (bear in mind that this article is presently NOT on the first 3 pages of Google for its keyword BUT has had a previous peak of #3 and has a LOT of backlinking work being done on it right now - more on that later - and that may have it dancing around).

                                    Actually before I do that, I want to discuss this point about any Google Page 1 results page that you see for any niche.

                                    In the typical world of IM information overload, it is very easy to miss or ignore the wealth of information that a normal SERP can give you - even without tools like SEOQuake etc.

                                    For example, one of my favourite strategies (which I have been shamefully ignoring for a while) is to go after a keyword with multiple properties. In fact, if you watch the keyword, 'backlinks' over the next 3 months, then look out for for my Metacafe video, Youtube video (same video edited to different length), ArticlesBase article, Buzzle article, Zimbio post, GoArticle, and press release page. In addition, I will have my own inner blog post page in there competing (around #8 to #10 on Page 1 now).

                                    But how did I choose which Web 2.0 properties to go after?

                                    Easy. Look at any of today's SERPs and these sites keep coming up, keyword after keyword after keyword.

                                    That says that Google CURRENTLY likes those sites so they should THEORETICALLY - be easier to rank. In the past, my record for a SERP was 6/10 spots on Page 1 which obviously gives you more screen real estate but also pushes competitors down.

                                    The next thing you may notice on a normal SERP is how Google likes diversity of sites on Page 1 (every page actually but it's only Page 1 that matters) BUT does show double results from certain sites with an indented 'double listing' like this:


                                    Continued in next post...
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                                      Part 2:

                                      So a normal SERP will show that Google WILL allow 2 sites from the same Web 2.0 site to appear and bracket them together.

                                      That means you may not have a site quite as strong as another from the same site BUT Google will often bracket them together - in the higher position!

                                      At the moment, I see a lot of GoArticles, Ezinearticles and Squidoo sites bracketed on Page 1 e.g.


                                      During your Keyword research, if you see a lonely GoArticle at #1, a weaker one could be bracketed with it on Page 1 at #2, leapfrogging the other players.

                                      Even better, why not simultaneously backlink 2 of your own different GoArticles, Squidoo Lenses and Ezinearticles and aim for 6 slots on Page 1.

                                      Throw in a couple of backlinked videos, your own blog inner page/s and you have an awesome SERP.

                                      This is how to use 'Google Site Bracketing' to your advantage in two ways, just from looking at a normal SERP page and observing what Google already likes!

                                      Think of it as keyword domination, NOT niche domination (which is a WAY bigger job).

                                      That is how to build really consistent traffic and conversions by testing a great call to action on one of your 2/4/6 Page 1 sites and using it on all of the others!

                                      If a site is getting sales without much traffic in a weaker position below #1, that is a very good sign.

                                      Continued in the next post...
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                                        With this 'Site Bracketing' tactic, for example, I could create a GoArticle on backlinks and backlink it just enough to get on to Page 1.

                                        At that point, Google's natural bracketing mechanism should - hopefully - indent me with Angela's GoArticle - which is usually between #1 and #3 and even though I will have a much smaller number of backlinks than her, I will be right behind her.

                                        That's a good WSO I just gave away there!

                                        Actually I won't tailgate Angela out of respect for her awesome work and because she's cool BUT you can hopefully see the potential of this tactic...
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                                          And remember that with my own sites, backlink reporting tools are only showing maybe 20% of the actual backlink volume.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Oland
                                          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                                          With this 'Site Bracketing' tactic, for example, I could create a GoArticle on backlinks and backlink it just enough to get on to Page 1.

                                          At that point, Google's natural bracketing mechanism should - hopefully - indent me with Angela's GoArticle - which is usually between #1 and #3 and even though I will have a much smaller number of backlinks than her, I will be right behind her.

                                          That's a good WSO I just gave away there!

                                          Actually I won't tailgate Angela out of respect for her awesome work and because she's cool BUT you can hopefully see the potential of this tactic...
                                          Excellent!

                                          As you pointed out this information is highly valuable all by itself. This can be used for all kinds of things.

                                          Thanks Terry!
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                                      • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                                        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                                        During your Keyword research, if you see a lonely GoArticle at #1, a weaker one could be bracketed with it on Page 1 at #2, leapfrogging the other players.

                                        Even better, why not simultaneously backlink 2 of your own different GoArticles, Squidoo Lenses and Ezinearticles and aim for 6 slots on Page 1.
                                        Holy crap. I always see these double postings but never analyzed them before. This is pure gold. Thanks Terry.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Joe2
                                        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                                        Part 2:

                                        So a normal SERP will show that Google WILL allow 2 sites from the same Web 2.0 site to appear and bracket them together.

                                        That means you may not have a site quite as strong as another from the same site BUT Google will often bracket them together - in the higher position!

                                        At the moment, I see a lot of GoArticles, Ezinearticles and Squidoo sites bracketed on Page 1 e.g.


                                        During your Keyword research, if you see a lonely GoArticle at #1, a weaker one could be bracketed with it on Page 1 at #2, leapfrogging the other players.

                                        Even better, why not simultaneously backlink 2 of your own different GoArticles, Squidoo Lenses and Ezinearticles and aim for 6 slots on Page 1.

                                        Throw in a couple of backlinked videos, your own blog inner page/s and you have an awesome SERP.

                                        This is how to use 'Google Site Bracketing' to your advantage in two ways, just from looking at a normal SERP page and observing what Google already likes!

                                        Think of it as keyword domination, NOT niche domination (which is a WAY bigger job).

                                        That is how to build really consistent traffic and conversions by testing a great call to action on one of your 2/4/6 Page 1 sites and using it on all of the others!

                                        If a site is getting sales without much traffic in a weaker position below #1, that is a very good sign.

                                        Continued in the next post...
                                        I notice that the second article on panic attacks which is bracketed with yours is filed under a different category on GoArticles ie; yours is in the Diseases and conditions category and the second article is in the Mental Health category.

                                        Is this important or just a coincidence?

                                        Joe
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                      More, Mike - if another Internet Marketer has had success with relevant links, I do wish them well. I just haven't found any difference across my portfolio.

                      However, people I respect like Michael (Mininet) Campbell and Chad Kimball are big on relevancy so the debate continues...
                      Like them I once leaned in that direction but I've seen enough now to doubt relevancy. I guess I leaned toward it because it semed like something that should matter and it seemed more elegant but I just don't know anymore whether semantic technology is quite there yet. Could a Auto Mechanic's forum recommend a cure for yeast infections? Why not?



                      Love to hear your experience on this issue.
                      I haven't noticed any clearly identifiable advantage of relevant links. I couldn't begin to do a public experiment like you or rank for backlinks because my USP is that I keep my links under lock and key to help guard against spammers and overuse and as you know the quickest way to give away your backlinks is using them to rank for the word backlink. Greatest catch 22 in backlinking.

                      What KKchoon and I were looking at doing is toward another contested point that even without anchor text relevancy matters (big long shot and I think it will line up perfectly with what you have found). The offshot of that is we might be able to answer the question of whether sites that don't allow you to leave anchor text are totally worthless and if not find out how much worth they have (since those are sites I usually leave off my lists I can get away with a public experiment on that).
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                    Hi Mike - you're forgiven!


                    Forums on SQL programming and the social communities of Britney Spears easily qualify as irrelevant to yeast infections - though some may make unkind parallels in Britney's case!

                    Hope that clarifies.
                    LOL! yes I think that qualifies as irrelevant as long as we don't look at the parallel there. Just asking because ther was a heated debate in another thread about this whole issue of irrelevancy (if there is such a word).
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


              [b]Article 2 used relevant links (assuming LSI influence) until I literally exhausted all possible sites in terms of relevancy and in fact in the last week or so, started throwing some irrelevant links from much higher PR sites at it and THEN it started to move.
              Interesting KKchoon and I were preparing to do a study on this after someone claimed for a fact to know that relevance matters. Forgive me Terry if this was covered before I may have missed it but anticipating the objections - how did you determine the links were not relevant?
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Come on now, don't act like you didn't know anything about the subject lol. Anyhow how do you track the amount of links pointing to your site? I only recently started taking down notes as to my links, profile pages etc. to see which are working and for my bookmarking, pinging and RSS campaigns. Do you have a program that does this automatically? SENuke just isn't cutting the mustard for me although I do like some of the features.

    Oh by the way, are you also known as Jenny Milliken?
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Great stuff Terry, and more evidence to back up what I am now beginning to trot out as my catchphrase online.....

    "Relevancy is Irrelevant".
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  • Awesome Terry (or should I call you Candy? ). Thanks again for conducting this experiment.
    For a topic like Yeast Infections, I found your articles pretty entertaining

    I wonder if having 100's of votes on one of the GoArticles would have made any difference at all? Even now, with everyone following this thread, it might be something that could be analyzed.

    I also wonder about the net effect of backlinking at an accelerated rate; what if you had an experiment with 1000's or 10's of thousands of irrelevant backlinks in the same 60 day period.... I think you said you were considering doing this somewhere in this thread....?

    Looking forward to hearing the CB analysis tomorrow!

    Great work Terry, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexchan338
    Hope you wont mind, I want to use this as reference for my learning process. This is a really nice experiament you did here. I mean in terms of your willingness of sharing and taking the time to post it.
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  • Profile picture of the author cringwall
    Brilliant, Terry. Love all of this, and your audio interview from your opt-in list is pure gold. Everyone opt-in to Terry's list if you have not already.

    My question to the group: Terry says we need to keep a portfolio of these high-pr sites in a spreadsheet. What type of program could we use to alert us if one the profile pages is removed? Some kind of old reciprocal-link verifcation script, perhaps? I can see a cronned script that checks 10 or so pages a day for our link and reports any failures. Does anyone have any ideas here?
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    • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
      You will need,

      A copy of FireFox

      Step #1


      First you need to do is break your list of profile links into sets of 20 then,
      put them into this format

      Profile URL1|Profile URL 2|Profile Url 3|....

      (to get pipe symbol | it is usually shift \)

      set #2

      Profile URL21|Profile URL22|..... etc..

      Then all you need to do is with Firefox open, got to

      Tools --> Options -->

      and put your first set of 20 URL's in the home page area.

      Step #2

      Hit the Home Button on FireFox.

      This will open all 20 profile links at the same time.

      You can then scan through your results by clicking on each tab.

      You should be able to check a hundred or more this way in less than 10 minutes if your internet speed is fast.
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      • Profile picture of the author perryny
        Hi Terry. Thanks again so much for conducting thiis experiment.

        I'm about to embark on my own promotional campaign and have been following closely in the hopes to discover how effective my efforts in learning SEO might turn out if I follow your methods.

        From the results you've collected (and sorry if the answer is evident in your above posts, but I don't understand fully), were you able to determine approximately how much daily traffic was generated for each of the articles, or for the site in Case #4?

        I'm much more interested in the amount of traffic generated than actual resulting sales from the clickbank products.

        Thanks again for all your hard work!
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  • Profile picture of the author jaceks
    Hi Terry

    In my opinion this is the most valuable thread on this forum right now.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Terry,
    Stop showing all of your secrets and giving away tips for free. You already gave a major one away that is on your WSO silly man. Just kidding. I still love the WSO as I've started my own list recently and now ranking on page 1 #1-10 for a bunch more keywords. I'm slowing but surely getting to the top spots for roughly 50 keywords now. Keep up the good work.

    On a side note, you touched upon a strategy that works well for me and that's simply to diversify into many back linking strategies. Sticking to only one does well but not nearly as well as throwing in the whole kitchen sink. I noticed from only using profile links I was ranking somewhat well but hit a wall. After incorporating articles, blogs, RSS feeds, bookmarking and pinging my rankings not only broke through the wall but is now beating out a bunch of competition that has 1000's of links. Much more than the few hundred that I have showing on any back link checker program.
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    • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
      Terry, this has been a great thread, loaded with more information and real-world proof than most SEO books and strategies. Thanks for sharing your day to day results and thoughts. And I got a great chuckle from your articles.

      Incidentally, I'm not surprised that you're not getting great sales for this niche. Most women with a yeast infection are just going to go down to the drug store and buy some Monistat over the counter. Trust me, if you have a yeast infection, you aren't going to spend a lot of time researching it. You want that itch to stop NOW!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author marlon
    Hey,

    So the number one site is:

    Recurring Yeast Infections | Symptoms, Causes, and Treatment

    Backlink Watch shows 0 backlinks. It appears to have a domain name using the keywords and content.

    At first I thought it was an MFA site.

    It's weird that you couldn't beat out that site with a decent amount of backlinks.

    Marlon
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  • Profile picture of the author Big JP
    Hey Terry,

    Great to see your niche work finally revealed! Glad to see you haven't chosen a niche that is too competitive

    Just wondering though, what is the actual keyword/phrase you're targeting?
    Is it "Yeast Infection" ?

    Also, is there a reason you didn't cloak those ugly hop links ?

    Thanks Terry, it's been a pleasant journey, keep it going.

    JP
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    But how did I choose which Web 2.0 properties to go after?

    Easy. Look at any of today's SERPs and these sites keep coming up, keyword after keyword after keyword.

    That says that Google CURRENTLY likes those sites so they should THEORETICALLY - be easier to rank. In the past, my record for a SERP was 6/10 spots on Page 1 which obviously gives you more screen real estate but also pushes competitors down.
    this was the only part that I question.

    Are these sites showing up higher because there is something about them that google likes or is it because they are the most heavily used web 2.0 properties?
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Hi J,

      Thanks for dropping in.

      I don't know that sites like Buzzle, ArticlesBase or Zimbio are the most used when compared with the other big guns.

      Obviously there are vulnerabilities to building a business on 'parasite-hosting' but I am seeing these sites a lot in high SERP positions right now.

      Interesting that Squidoo seems to be back - I've never had much luck with it but plenty of Warriors swear by Squidoo.

      Maybe all the editorial changes made over there have been rewarded in Google's algorithmic changes?
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

        Terry,
        Stop showing all of your secrets and giving away tips for free. You already gave a major one away that is on your WSO silly man. Just kidding. I still love the WSO as I've started my own list recently and now ranking on page 1 #1-10 for a bunch more keywords. I'm slowing but surely getting to the top spots for roughly 50 keywords now. Keep up the good work.

        On a side note, you touched upon a strategy that works well for me and that's simply to diversify into many back linking strategies. Sticking to only one does well but not nearly as well as throwing in the whole kitchen sink. I noticed from only using profile links I was ranking somewhat well but hit a wall. After incorporating articles, blogs, RSS feeds, bookmarking and pinging my rankings not only broke through the wall but is now beating out a bunch of competition that has 1000's of links. Much more than the few hundred that I have showing on any back link checker program.
        Sticking to only one does well but not nearly as well as throwing in the whole kitchen sink. I noticed from only using profile links I was ranking somewhat well but hit a wall.

        Spot on Bruce and I believe that IM will only get more competitive in the future and that's why a multi-pronged strategy is becoming increasingly essential.

        Right now I'm trying a bunch of things I've never done before on my Yeast Infection sites and seeing what has extra impact.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by LIndaB View Post

          Terry, this has been a great thread, loaded with more information and real-world proof than most SEO books and strategies. Thanks for sharing your day to day results and thoughts. And I got a great chuckle from your articles.

          Incidentally, I'm not surprised that you're not getting great sales for this niche. Most women with a yeast infection are just going to go down to the drug store and buy some Monistat over the counter. Trust me, if you have a yeast infection, you aren't going to spend a lot of time researching it. You want that itch to stop NOW!!!!
          Now you tell me about Monistat Linda!

          Thanks for the feedback all the same.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by marlon View Post

            Hey,

            So the number one site is:

            Recurring Yeast Infections | Symptoms, Causes, and Treatment

            Backlink Watch shows 0 backlinks. It appears to have a domain name using the keywords and content.

            At first I thought it was an MFA site.

            It's weird that you couldn't beat out that site with a decent amount of backlinks.

            Marlon
            Hi Marlon,

            Those reporting tools can't be relied on. Remember my Panic Attacks article above has at least 1,000 backlinks but is only showing 200+ in the reporting!

            I haven't beaten that #1 site there - yet!

            Don't think of backlinking as a numerical 'arms race' on purely mathematical numbers of backlinks.

            Only the Google 'KGB' know exactly how it is all calculated but in time, the weight of backlinks and their quality will get me there.

            Hopefully!

            I also want to see how some of these sites respond to a relatively small batch of .edu and .gov links - a separate experiment in itself...

            Plus, if I found that I couldn't 'out-SEO' that site and was convinced that it was a paying Keyword, I could always try the famous Frank Kern 'SEO Solution' - buy that guy's website!
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            • Profile picture of the author adamv
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

              Hi Marlon,

              Those reporting tools can't be relied on. Remember my Panic Attacks article above has at least 1,000 backlinks but is only showing 200+ in the reporting!

              I haven't beaten that #1 site there - yet!
              Your panic attack article comes up #1 when I search for how to deal with panic attacks. Another goarticle is indented under yours.
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Hi Adam - nice avatar!

                Marlon's referring to one of the Yeast Infection articles in this experiment for the term, Recurring Yeast Infections.

                My wording made that unclear.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by Big JP View Post

                  Hey Terry,

                  Great to see your niche work finally revealed! Glad to see you haven't chosen a niche that is too competitive

                  Just wondering though, what is the actual keyword/phrase you're targeting?
                  Is it "Yeast Infection" ?

                  Also, is there a reason you didn't cloak those ugly hop links ?

                  Thanks Terry, it's been a pleasant journey, keep it going.

                  JP
                  Hi JP,

                  I had a few PM warnings about cloaked links (I'm going to avoid saying any more because I don't want to get sued) and opted to uncloak them - doesn't seem to have affected my rankings on other sites and articles.

                  For the prospects in most niches, I doubt if they notice or care about the type of link that brought them to the vendor page.

                  Thanks for coming on the ride too!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Ah but well worth the time. I'm loving Windows 7. Much more productive for me. Even speeds the time with backlinking. Everything runs so much smoother.
                    Yep - light years ahead of Vista speed-wise and not-crashing-a-lot-wise.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

                      Oh by the way, are you also known as Jenny Milliken?
                      Just one of the pen-names invented for this experiment Bruce.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                        Originally Posted by cringwall View Post

                        Brilliant, Terry. Love all of this, and your audio interview from your opt-in list is pure gold. Everyone opt-in to Terry's list if you have not already.

                        My question to the group: Terry says we need to keep a portfolio of these high-pr sites in a spreadsheet. What type of program could we use to alert us if one the profile pages is removed? Some kind of old reciprocal-link verifcation script, perhaps? I can see a cronned script that checks 10 or so pages a day for our link and reports any failures. Does anyone have any ideas here?
                        Anyone?

                        Thanks for the feedback and hope you got a bunch of neat stuff out of the interview C.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                          Originally Posted by perryny View Post

                          Hi Terry. Thanks again so much for conducting thiis experiment.

                          I'm about to embark on my own promotional campaign and have been following closely in the hopes to discover how effective my efforts in learning SEO might turn out if I follow your methods.

                          From the results you've collected (and sorry if the answer is evident in your above posts, but I don't understand fully), were you able to determine approximately how much daily traffic was generated for each of the articles, or for the site in Case #4?

                          I'm much more interested in the amount of traffic generated than actual resulting sales from the clickbank products.

                          Thanks again for all your hard work!
                          -Robert
                          Thank you Robert.

                          I will get to the analysis of Site 4 - I want to go into each of them in detail.

                          Actually, I've gone WAY off topic with that whole new 'Site Bracketing' tactic and better get back to Article 1!
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                          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                            Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

                            this was the only part that I question.
                            Question everything Jason - good work!

                            Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

                            did I miss the 'kitchen sink'? or is that still to be revealed. this thread has become so long it hard to keep track of all of its goodness.

                            I'm guessing that the 'kitchen sink' has to do with using as many sources as you can find for building backlinks.
                            The kitchen sink revelations and much more goodness to come Jason!
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                            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                              Thanks Tom - would be great to see some screen grabs of Spyglass - how much is it? Sounds like you have a nicely disciplined, consistent routine there - kudos to you!

                              Anyways, back to Article 1:




                              Here, the first shocking revelation comes NOT from my article but virtually all the other articles on GoArticles.

                              Have you seen how shockingly low the view counts are on these for page after page after of search results?

                              I thought my view count was low until I saw how almost everyone else there was doing!

                              There are loads of articles with 0, 3, 5, 9 etc views.

                              Internet marketers or writers took the time to actually write these things that nobody ever saw.

                              Why?

                              Here's my reading of it:

                              In short, instead of backlinking the hell out of one good article (I'm not saying that mine are amazing at all but we'll get to that soon), these poor souls seem to write article after article, somehow hoping and wishing that it will go viral and that webmasters across the net will magically link to their article and it will be a huge success.

                              In fact, backlinking is creating the illusion of an article going viral!

                              I see exactly the same thing on EZA: loads of articles that were written months or years ago and their view counts remain in single figures. Forever.

                              Besides, how many times can you write a different article about exactly the same topic? 5? 10? 20?

                              Now I do know that some writers like Steve Wagenheim have had success with continual writing but there must be other parts of Steve's business model that make it work e.g. partnerships with other webmasters where his content is published.

                              But generally, to me anyway, this seems like such a flawed approach. Am I missing something?

                              More next post...
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                              • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                                Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                                Thanks Tom - would be great to see some screen grabs of Spyglass - how much is it? Sounds like you have a nicely disciplined, consistent routine there - kudos to you!

                                Anyways, back to Article 1:




                                Here, the first shocking revelation comes NOT from my article but virtually all the other articles on GoArticles.

                                Have you seen how shockingly low the view counts are on these for page after page after of search results?

                                I thought my view count was low until I saw how almost everyone else there was doing!

                                There are loads of articles with 0, 3, 5, 9 etc views.

                                Internet marketers or writers took the time to actually write these things that nobody ever saw.

                                Why?

                                Here's my reading of it:

                                In short, instead of backlinking the hell out of one good article (I'm not saying that mine are amazing at all but we'll get to that soon), these poor souls seem to write article after article, somehow hoping and wishing that it will go viral and that webmasters across the net will magically link to their article and it will be a huge success.

                                In fact, backlinking is creating the illusion of an article going viral!

                                I see exactly the same thing on EZA: loads of articles that were written months or years ago and their view counts remain in single figures. Forever.

                                Besides, how many times can you write a different article about exactly the same topic? 5? 10? 20?

                                Now I do know that some writers like Steve Wagenheim have had success with continual writing but there must be other parts of Steve's business model that make it work e.g. partnerships with other webmasters where his content is published.

                                But generally, to me anyway, this seems like such a flawed approach. Am I missing something?

                                More next post...
                                I don't think you are missing anything. I'm a member over at Wealthy Affiliate university, where the main goal of 80% of the people is mass production of articles. I find all of these articles on ezinearticles written by them, and 90% of them have ZERO backlinks. 5% of them might have a link or two from squidoo coming in. It seems like the quality (in terms of ranking and $$$, not pulitzer prize winning) is losing over the quantity. People brag about how many articles they can spin out a day.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                                Oh and a huge thanks to Tom (thmgoodw) for this very powerful free Rank Checker tool:

                                Rank Tracker - Track Your Search Engine Rankings Easily!

                                I've been trying this out while posting tonight and it appears to work well - much more precise than SEO Tools' Rank Checker (which can't do long URLs)!

                                On the Sales page, it looks like the Rank Checker isn't available in the free version (it's greyed down in the pics for some reason) but it is definitely in the free one.

                                OK, now back to the CB stats.

                                If you recall, Article 1 (all IRRELEVANT links) like the others has three different hoplinks: the one between the headline and the article, one within the article body and the usual Bio Box link.

                                This is one of the main reasons I like GoArticles, they let you stick your links anywhere, unlike EZA.

                                This article has peaked at #3 but is off the radar at the moment as Google is digesting a fresh boatload of backlinks to it. A certain level of volatility is normal with a new site and/or one with a lot of backlinking coming in at once.

                                From the 2 or so months of the experiment (and we changed from an unconverting vendor mid-way but those numbers are included),

                                HOPLINK A (top): 51 hops, 6 order form impressions, 2 order form submissions, 1 order placed.

                                HOPLINK B (within article): 125 hops, 1 order form impression, 0 orders.

                                HOPLINK C (Bio Box): 26 hops, 0 order form impressions, 0 orders.

                                From our 753 views, we achieved 202 hops for a total of 1 sale.

                                Sounds depressing huh?

                                Actually this article looks promising given the hops from Hoplink A. I will experiment with completely leaving out Hoplinks B and C as well as experimenting with different call-to-action links to observe what happens.

                                I need to check my records on when the CB vendor changed but a lot of those hops went to a vendor that wasn't doing any converting (or getting much order form action either from memory).

                                This site needs traffic (of course) and some experimenting to fine tune and to really determine IF this is a buying phrase or not. If it turns out to be so, I'll be backlinking it and trying to dominate Page 1 of that keyword for years to come.

                                And the numbers will be starting to get skewed by Warriors (naturally) clicking on links to see what's what (assuming they don't have yeast infections!).

                                BTW, a great way to tweak a call to action link is to look at what the superstars with huge view counts on EZA/GA are using and 'emulate' their approach.

                                Presumably, they've tried a bunch of different ones and settled on what they're using now. Learn from that.

                                By knowing this article and keyword, you can follow its progress and I'll show the CB Analytics stats as we continue to Christmas (if I don't call time on this experiment by Christmas, my girlfriend may kill me. And after she's killed me, her mother will kill me again).

                                If you didn't THOROUGHLY get that new 'Site Bracketing' SEO tactic I covered on this page of this thread, go back and read it.

                                Thanks again for participating!
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                                • Profile picture of the author J smith
                                  That's pretty good ctr actually (from my perspective) around 27% or so. It's interesting to note that link in content got more clicks but less order impressions than the link at the top. Though I guess it makes sense, people searching to buy will click on the top link, people that continue to read are likely looking for information and even though they click on the link, they aren't buying so fewer order impressions.

                                  The bio box ispretty bad, but GA's bio box sucks anyway. Since unlike EA where your bio box is a part of the article in GA it's clearly a bio box that is after the article.

                                  Terry I was going to send you a pm on this, but I guess ths might be useful to other people as well. When you outsource backlinks through elance and other sites, do you give the winning bidder a list of sites where you want them to put profile links? Do they use their own lists (and if yes, how do you know that they use a good list of high pr sites?) If you give them the list of sites, how do people who sell those link pockets (Angela, pj even you) feel about that since in essence you are giving away their product to someone for free.

                                  Just curious since I haven't done any outsourcing but most likely will in the future.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author searchnology
                                    Has anyone been successful at unseating Wikipedia from a #1 position on Google for a keyword using anyone's backlink packages? I am #3 behind Wikipedia but I wonder if it has ever been done. I could be spending a lot of time and money for naught.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Doug D
                                      Duh! Just do what franky K. says...and buy the domain that is in your spot.

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                                      Originally Posted by searchnology View Post

                                      Has anyone been successful at unseating Wikipedia from a #1 position on Google for a keyword using anyone's backlink packages? I am #3 behind Wikipedia but I wonder if it has ever been done. I could be spending a lot of time and money for naught.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Root
                                      Originally Posted by searchnology View Post

                                      Has anyone been successful at unseating Wikipedia from a #1 position on Google for a keyword using anyone's backlink packages? I am #3 behind Wikipedia but I wonder if it has ever been done. I could be spending a lot of time and money for naught.
                                      That's really hard to pull off with backlinks. You'll have to gather a lot of age for your domain, get Google Analytics to spy for Google and tell them that visitors are enjoying your website and finally get some social buzz.

                                      At least that's what it took six months ago for us to push one page above Wikipedia with quite popular keyword. Keywords are not equal so your milage may vary
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                                    • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
                                      Originally Posted by searchnology View Post

                                      Has anyone been successful at unseating Wikipedia from a #1 position on Google for a keyword using anyone's backlink packages? I am #3 behind Wikipedia but I wonder if it has ever been done. I could be spending a lot of time and money for naught.
                                      You are right also in your other post that the PR of the domain counts, in fact with most Wikipedia articles it is internal linking that helps them to score so high on Google. One approach is to use Yahoo Site Search for the the Wikipedia article in question, and note all of the internal links. Then sign up to become a Wikipedia editor. Go into each page that has has an internal link to the article that you are trying to knock out and change them to no-follow.

                                      have fun,
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                                      • Profile picture of the author searchnology
                                        Thanks for the tip Sterlingtek!

                                        This is just an FYI to the community on the forum. I did find over 300 internal Wikipedia pages linking to the page ranking #1 on Google. (Not a single external link incoming) There's no way to make those internal links "nofollow" however but I was able to remove the link in question since all of the pages were using a single template footer for "related terms". Wikipedia should make their internal links nofollow just like their external links so that their pages stand on their own merit and not get artificial rankings. Seems hypocrital not to do so.

                                        Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

                                        You are right also in your other post that the PR of the domain counts, in fact with most Wikipedia articles it is internal linking that helps them to score so high on Google. One approach is to use Yahoo Site Search for the the Wikipedia article in question, and note all of the internal links. Then sign up to become a Wikipedia editor. Go into each page that has has an internal link to the article that you are trying to knock out and change them to no-follow.

                                        have fun,
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                                      • Profile picture of the author dseisner
                                        Terry,

                                        Do you conclusions from your experiment support the information you give in your ebook? Is there information you learned that you did not include in your ebook?
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                                • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
                                  Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                                  Oh and a huge thanks to Tom (thmgoodw) for this very powerful free Rank Checker tool:

                                  Rank Tracker - Track Your Search Engine Rankings Easily!

                                  I've been trying this out while posting tonight and it appears to work well - much more precise than SEO Tools' Rank Checker (which can't do long URLs)!

                                  On the Sales page, it looks like the Rank Checker isn't available in the free version (it's greyed down in the pics for some reason) but it is definitely in the free one.

                                  OK, now back to the CB stats.

                                  If you recall, Article 1 (all IRRELEVANT links) like the others has three different hoplinks: the one between the headline and the article, one within the article body and the usual Bio Box link.

                                  This is one of the main reasons I like GoArticles, they let you stick your links anywhere, unlike EZA.

                                  This article has peaked at #3 but is off the radar at the moment as Google is digesting a fresh boatload of backlinks to it. A certain level of volatility is normal with a new site and/or one with a lot of backlinking coming in at once.

                                  From the 2 or so months of the experiment (and we changed from an unconverting vendor mid-way but those numbers are included),

                                  HOPLINK A (top): 51 hops, 6 order form impressions, 2 order form submissions, 1 order placed.

                                  HOPLINK B (within article): 125 hops, 1 order form impression, 0 orders.

                                  HOPLINK C (Bio Box): 26 hops, 0 order form impressions, 0 orders.

                                  From our 753 views, we achieved 202 hops for a total of 1 sale.

                                  Sounds depressing huh?

                                  Actually this article looks promising given the hops from Hoplink A. I will experiment with completely leaving out Hoplinks B and C as well as experimenting with different call-to-action links to observe what happens.

                                  I need to check my records on when the CB vendor changed but a lot of those hops went to a vendor that wasn't doing any converting (or getting much order form action either from memory).

                                  This site needs traffic (of course) and some experimenting to fine tune and to really determine IF this is a buying phrase or not. If it turns out to be so, I'll be backlinking it and trying to dominate Page 1 of that keyword for years to come.

                                  And the numbers will be starting to get skewed by Warriors (naturally) clicking on links to see what's what (assuming they don't have yeast infections!).

                                  BTW, a great way to tweak a call to action link is to look at what the superstars with huge view counts on EZA/GA are using and 'emulate' their approach.

                                  Presumably, they've tried a bunch of different ones and settled on what they're using now. Learn from that.

                                  By knowing this article and keyword, you can follow its progress and I'll show the CB Analytics stats as we continue to Christmas (if I don't call time on this experiment by Christmas, my girlfriend may kill me. And after she's killed me, her mother will kill me again).

                                  If you didn't THOROUGHLY get that new 'Site Bracketing' SEO tactic I covered on this page of this thread, go back and read it.

                                  Thanks again for participating!
                                  I went to the page and gave my email address for the free version and opt'd in and then got an email with a bunch of links to other services but NOTHING for the free version of this software. Was this your experience too?
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                              • Profile picture of the author Big JP
                                Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


                                But generally, to me anyway, this seems like such a flawed approach. Am I missing something?
                                Well, articles can also be used for backlinks, so rewrites may published all over the place to all kinds of directories, and the sole purpose of the articles is just to gain the backlinks from the articles body/resource etc. without much care as to whether they get many views or ranked high.

                                For example, you could write an article on "meet hot women" submit it to a top directory such as Ezine articles, then have the same article spun and distributed to as many places possible with links pointing back to the Ezine article. The Ezine article is the one you want to rank, but the other spun versions are just pure backlinks and nothing more.

                                Make sense?

                                JP
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                        • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                          Anyone?

                          Thanks for the feedback and hope you got a bunch of neat stuff out of the interview C.

                          With respect to the checking old links. Not scientific or in anyway 100% accurate, but..

                          I have 1 main site that I pretty much hammer with every tool that I have. I use the SEO Spyglass software to spy on both my competitors (or, others...cough...sites) and my own sites. Anyways, the software not only compiles a listing of all the backlinks, but can come back and tell you if they are missing, no follow, restricted (i.e. robots.txt file restricted), or do-follow.

                          I run an analysis each week of my main site to the last weeks report (I order it by domain PR), and I make any changes to my "power lists" based upon these changes.
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                        • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
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                          Originally Posted by cringwall
                          Brilliant, Terry. Love all of this, and your audio interview from your opt-in list is pure gold. Everyone opt-in to Terry's list if you have not already.

                          My question to the group: Terry says we need to keep a portfolio of these high-pr sites in a spreadsheet. What type of program could we use to alert us if one the profile pages is removed? Some kind of old reciprocal-link verifcation script, perhaps? I can see a cronned script that checks 10 or so pages a day for our link and reports any failures. Does anyone have any ideas here?


                          Anyone?

                          I posted a quick trick with Firefox to look at a lot of links quickly on page #9 of this
                          thread #449 next to last on the page.

                          Chris
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                          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                            Before getting back to previous posts/comments/questions, here's an interesting question or issue.

                            Two actually.

                            1. Getting a new article or site crawled is pretty easy. Getting it indexed - as Article 2 in this experiment illustrated - can be trickier and very inconsistent.

                            Here's a comment from Matt Cutts about it:

                            http://www.youtube.com/v/k8PQ3nNCYuU&hl

                            I've forgotten how to embed a YouTube video in a post - can we still do that on WF?

                            The issue is - and this is all mere speculation of course but hopefully entertaining speculation! - what criteria does Google use to determine if a site is 'indexworthy' or not? Crawling is nothing if you can't get out of the blocks and get indexed.

                            Here's issue 2 that I've been thinking about on a rainy day in London today, over in R & D sector 32 inside my brain:

                            Given that one of Google's primary goals is to prevent a completely factual understanding of their algorithm (which is constantly changing of course) in order to protect its integrity, wouldn't one of the best ways to do that be to consciously build in variation into its process - within certain parameters of course.

                            What do I mean?

                            If we look at all the contradictory SEO theories out there - many by pretty smart people based on their experience - how else could we explain their different results and experiences EXCEPT through inbuilt variation in Google's algorithmic process; a process that prevents mathematical absolutes!

                            For example, in this 'Variation Theory', sometimes LSI will be more influential than others, sometimes identical anchor text will be fine, at others variation is rewarded, sometimes GoArticles rank well immediately, sometimes they're welded to Page 47 etc etc.

                            Google has no obligation to any individual Webmaster (like us) but is HUGELY invested in keeping its SERP mechanics (the fine details I mean) secret.

                            Is this all crazy talk? Maybe. What do you think?
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                            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                              Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

                              Sorry Terry, didn't mean to go off in another direction, but it seemed germane to the thread?
                              Doug
                              It all adds value Doug so fire away!
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                              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                                Originally Posted by reapr View Post

                                Terry what are your thoughts?

                                I have picked up in the last several posts that if you have an article ranking on one of the better directories that you should use senuke or some other method to create articles and point it back to that article? In otherwords point back to the article?
                                Hiya R,

                                Sounds roughly right. The original article is the 'Money Site' (even if it's an affiliate conduit to a CB vendor etc) and SE Nuke creates loads of other articles/posts on Web 2.0 properties that point to that Money Site.

                                In theory, you can then create an 'Outer Ring' of even more articles/posts linking to the Inner Ring (which is NOT laterally connected, 'cluster' might be a better word) which theoretically pass link power through to the Money Site.

                                If that makes any sense?
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                                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                                  Originally Posted by Big JP View Post

                                  Well, articles can also be used for backlinks, so rewrites may published all over the place to all kinds of directories, and the sole purpose of the articles is just to gain the backlinks from the articles body/resource etc. without much care as to whether they get many views or ranked high.

                                  For example, you could write an article on "meet hot women" submit it to a top directory such as Ezine articles, then have the same article spun and distributed to as many places possible with links pointing back to the Ezine article. The Ezine article is the one you want to rank, but the other spun versions are just pure backlinks and nothing more.

                                  Make sense?

                                  JP
                                  Hi JP,

                                  Welcome back bud.

                                  Among my past failed IM fads (as Sinatra sang, 'I've had my share' or something like that), I used to absolutely hammer article directories with Article Post Robot (hope I don't get sued in a minute).

                                  Article Post Robot is - in its defence - actually a very efficient program and does precisely what is was designed to do - post articles...er, robotically.

                                  The problem I found JP was that those hundreds and hundreds of links (OK let's call them tens of thousands) gave very little impact - at least for me. Maybe others have done well with mass article directory submission, I never have.

                                  The best results that I've gotten (even if these sites had the same PR as article directories I was using) have been from forum profiles and social community-type sites that you see in Angela and PJs packets, sites for example like Ted dot com or ladygaga dot com.

                                  Now I'm sure that the hardcore article marketing guerillas have well-developed strategies for maximising opportunities on search traffic WITHIN an article directory (not Google) but relying on link power from (hundreds of) article directories (with dofollow) has always been a dud for me.

                                  I'll PM you shortly about that cloaking issue JP (assuming you aren't a lawyer for some cloaking sites!)...
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Big JP
                                    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                                    Hi JP,

                                    Welcome back bud.

                                    Among my past failed IM fads (as Sinatra sang, 'I've had my share' or something like that), I used to absolutely hammer article directories with Article Post Robot (hope I don't get sued in a minute).

                                    Article Post Robot is - in its defence - actually a very efficient program and does precisely what is was designed to do - post articles...er, robotically.

                                    The problem I found JP was that those hundreds and hundreds of links (OK let's call them tens of thousands) gave very little impact - at least for me. Maybe others have done well with mass article directory submission, I never have.

                                    The best results that I've gotten (even if these sites had the same PR as article directories I was using) have been from forum profiles and social community-type sites that you see in Angela and PJs packets, sites for example like Ted dot com or ladygaga dot com.

                                    Now I'm sure that the hardcore article marketing guerillas have well-developed strategies for maximising opportunities on search traffic WITHIN an article directory (not Google) but relying on link power from (hundreds of) article directories (with dofollow) has always been a dud for me.

                                    I'll PM you shortly about that cloaking issue JP (assuming you aren't a lawyer for some cloaking sites!)...
                                    Yes, I totally agree with the points you mention regarding the results from the different backlink techniques, and have the same feeling towards them, I was just pointing out an answer to your question on why you see so many articles with little view counts, I would put my money on those articles being spun content that have been distributed all over the place for the purpose of getting backlinks, and maybe some exposure.

                                    "I'll PM you shortly about that cloaking issue JP (assuming you aren't a lawyer for some cloaking sites!)"

                                    No, I am not a lawyer....Yet

                                    Look forward to hearing from you

                                    JP
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                            • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
                              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


                              Here's issue 2 that I've been thinking about on a rainy day in London today, over in R & D sector 32 inside my brain:

                              Given that one of Google's primary goals is to prevent a completely factual understanding of their algorithm (which is constantly changing of course) in order to protect its integrity, wouldn't one of the best ways to do that be to consciously build in variation into its process - within certain parameters of course.

                              What do I mean?

                              If we look at all the contradictory SEO theories out there - many by pretty smart people based on their experience - how else could we explain their different results and experiences EXCEPT through inbuilt variation in Google's algorithmic process; a process that prevents mathematical absolutes!

                              For example, in this 'Variation Theory', sometimes LSI will be more influential than others, sometimes identical anchor text will be fine, at others variation is rewarded, sometimes GoArticles rank well immediately, sometimes they're welded to Page 47 etc etc.

                              Google has no obligation to any individual Webmaster (like us) but is HUGELY invested in keeping its SERP mechanics (the fine details I mean) secret.

                              Is this all crazy talk? Maybe. What do you think?
                              This brings to mind a recent algorithmic milestone, the netflix prize

                              netflixprize dot com

                              "The Netflix Prize sought to substantially improve the accuracy of predictions about how much someone is going to enjoy a movie based on their movie preferences."

                              The goal was to improve the base algorithm by 10% for a given data set.

                              A team called Belkor won the prize and the way they did it probably says a lot about how the Google algorithm works.

                              First they sieved through the data for any relevant variables. This was the best way that they found to improve the algorithm at the begining.

                              For Google think

                              --> Links
                              --> Where are links coming from
                              --> KW's
                              --> What group do the KW's belong to
                              --> What group do the linking Sites fall into
                              --> User Behavior / Bounce rate
                              --> Page Load time
                              --> Server Geographic Location
                              --> etc

                              (the new KW tool on Google Adwords makes it apparent that Google is aware what category that KWs are found in.)


                              The Netflix winners algorithm works by blending the predictions of several models together, think "wisdom of crowds". the mix could be very different for different categories of KWs. For instance if high quality "red rubber ball" sites tend to have lots of links from other "red rubber ball sites" google could easily incorperate this into the algorithm for that KW category, ie LSI (Latent semantic Indexing) begins to be important. For other KW groups it could have no or little effect depending on how the blending of the models is being performed.

                              So the answer is, this. I doubt that google is using a random model for different webpages, but I suspect that for different KW's it is separating them into groups and judging them on multiple factors with different blendings of their models.

                              The reason that I suspect that things work this way is that it would let them deliver the highest quality results and that seems to be what they are primarily about.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
                                Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post


                                So the answer is, this. I doubt that google is using a random model for different webpages, but I suspect that for different KW's it is seperating them into groups and judging them on multiple factors.

                                The reason that I suspect that things work this way is that it would let them deliver the highest quality results and that seems to be what they are primarily about.
                                I agre with this. I did an experiment where I picked 7 different keywords and backlinked them all the same way. They all had the same sort of competition. Out of the 7 keywords only 2 ranked in Google (and gained an almighty PR of 4 each). The other 5 didn't budge or gain PR.
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                                • Profile picture of the author cmo140
                                  I have been trying to read this and understand whats going on from the start. Basically The question I have is: What is the easiest and fastest method to get your site on page one. In this experiment their are several ways to do it and I just want to find out what is the best way so I can try it myself. Also the Senuke program is brought up several times, is it worth the money to get the job done or is there another program out there that is better.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
                                    Originally Posted by cmo140 View Post

                                    I have been trying to read this and understand whats going on from the start. Basically The question I have is: What is the easiest and fastest method to get your site on page one. In this experiment their are several ways to do it and I just want to find out what is the best way so I can try it myself. Also the Senuke program is brought up several times, is it worth the money to get the job done or is there another program out there that is better.
                                    Depends on your business model.

                                    If you want to be on page 1 for a *lucrative* keyword(s) and STAY there, then... there is no easy quick method.

                                    You can achieve good results if you are targeting low competition keywords (that are buyer-keywords) but then the search volume might be low so there is no much advantage of being on page one for a term that is searched 2 times a day.

                                    What you could do is optimize your mini-sites for a lot of buyer-keywords at the same time and just get some of that traffic over to your website, even if you are NOT on page 1.

                                    Then you just build more mini-sites like that and get as much traffic as possible (combined) instead of aiming for one article/website on page 1 in Google. That's a lot of work to keep up!
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                                    • Profile picture of the author cmo140
                                      Thanks for the input but I am still looking for a method out there. I have a ebook that I am trying to get out there and I have two keywords that I am trying to get ranked. Its a very long thread and trying to read it all and firgure out what is the best method is a job itself. Out of the 4 methods here, which is the best to do for what I am trying to do. Basically look of what I need to buy, what kind of software, ect.
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                                    Originally Posted by cmo140 View Post

                                    I have been trying to read this and understand whats going on from the start. Basically The question I have is: What is the easiest and fastest method to get your site on page one. In this experiment their are several ways to do it and I just want to find out what is the best way so I can try it myself. Also the Senuke program is brought up several times, is it worth the money to get the job done or is there another program out there that is better.

                                    SE NUKE rocks! My crew uses it ALL the time.
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                                      Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman View Post

                                      SE NUKE rocks! My crew uses it ALL the time.
                                      I discontinued my service with SENuke last week. There are way too many problems with the software and I'm waiting for the new update coming in a few months. At this moment I don't feel it all that great and I'm still waiting to see results from my efforts. Nothing yet so I don't feel the program is worth the money.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Big JP
                    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                    Hi JP,

                    I had a few PM warnings about cloaked links (I'm going to avoid saying any more because I don't want to get sued) and opted to uncloak them - doesn't seem to have affected my rankings on other sites and articles.
                    If you get a chance Terry, please send me a PM regarding this, I'd appreciate that.

                    JP
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                • Profile picture of the author adamv
                  Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                  Hi Adam - nice avatar!

                  Marlon's referring to one of the Yeast Infection articles in this experiment for the term, Recurring Yeast Infections.

                  My wording made that unclear.
                  Oops, I thought it was the panic attack article. Oh well, congrats on the #1 ranking just the same.

                  I'm glad you like my avatar too, that's one of my drawings. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Sticking to only one does well but not nearly as well as throwing in the whole kitchen sink
    did I miss the 'kitchen sink'? or is that still to be revealed. this thread has become so long it hard to keep track of all of its goodness.

    I'm guessing that the 'kitchen sink' has to do with using as many sources as you can find for building backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
    Hey Terry,
    I don't have much experience at all with SEO, so this may be the dumbest idea/thought around. You were discussing posting a link in forums with a smiley face or the period and such. Is there a way to make the smiley face have some sort of relevance? What I mean is, what if I were trying to rank for your name "Terry" and then named the smiley face Terry. Is there a chance this would give more relevance and sort of replace the anchor text that is missing by posting this way. Just an idea/thought, but like I said, I don't have much experience.

    By the way, thanks for all the helpful information!
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    One word for this thread. Gold dust. Thanks for sharing your work Terry, it just keeps getting more interesting with each page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug D
    First of all: Thanks Terry...for a documented case study...for all to follow and interact with.
    I just wanted to throw in...I've been using a custom java "bookmarklet" for pingomatic, for about 2 months now. It works exactly the same as Sean's vid on backlink booster.

    No disrespect toward Sean, as he seems like a nice dude. But, I have specifically done blocks of profile links....one as a control, and one using pingomatic. There was no difference in the % of profile urls cached between the pingomatic'd and the control. They both sucked, of course.

    I have done the same testing with RSS submissions (using rssbot). The only alerts I ever got were from feedagg, and it didn't appear that G. followed the links, as my results were the same as with pingomatic.

    I would love for these one-click solutions to be effective, but my experience tells me that their not. At least not when applied to 3rd party sites. There are still many great apps for RSS.

    These are easy things to test. If anyone else has actually tested and verified the results, I would love to hear about it.

    Sorry Terry, didn't mean to go off in another direction, but it seemed germane to the thread?

    Doug
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    • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
      Note that I'm almost certain (as certain as a human could be without asking Sean) that Sean's ping bookmarklet is not the "1 clicK' backlink booster they everyone has been touting. My thought that was that Sean was just adding his version of the bookmarklet to add "stickyness" to that page touting his new product.



      Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

      First of all: Thanks Terry...for a documented case study...for all to follow and interact with.
      I just wanted to throw in...I've been using a custom java "bookmarklet" for pingomatic, for about 2 months now. It works exactly the same as Sean's vid on backlink booster.

      No disrespect toward Sean, as he seems like a nice dude. But, I have specifically done blocks of profile links....one as a control, and one using pingomatic. There was no difference in the % of profile urls cached between the pingomatic'd and the control. They both sucked, of course.

      I have done the same testing with RSS submissions (using rssbot). The only alerts I ever got were from feedagg, and it didn't appear that G. followed the links, as my results were the same as with pingomatic.

      I would love for these one-click solutions to be effective, but my experience tells me that their not. At least not when applied to 3rd party sites. There are still many great apps for RSS.

      These are easy things to test. If anyone else has actually tested and verified the results, I would love to hear about it.

      Sorry Terry, didn't mean to go off in another direction, but it seemed germane to the thread?

      Doug
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      • Profile picture of the author Doug D
        Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

        Note that I'm almost certain (as certain as a human could be without asking Sean) that Sean's ping bookmarklet is not the "1 clicK' backlink booster they everyone has been touting. My thought that was that Sean was just adding his version of the bookmarklet to add "stickyness" to that page touting his new product.
        Ya, I understand that the Pingomatic bookmarklet is not the "backlink booster", but he eluded to B.B. working like the bookmarklet....except that it would go out to many more sites. And perhaps he's going to mix in some rss or something. I just don't buy into getting 100's of backlinks and certain indexing, with some one click method. I only say this because I have done extensive testing with those methods and they had no influence whatsoever on my % of cache, as compared to control samples that received no such treatment.

        Maybe I'm wrong. If I am...I will happily pay 3 x the asking price...if his product could consistently get me even a 80% cache rate - Which should be a piece of cake if each backlink "boosted" url is getting 100's of backlinks as stated in the video.

        Sorry Terry...didn't mean to hijack ya.
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        • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
          Thanks for providing this valuable thread and great experiment. Hope this could inspire others to do the same, myself included.

          Kevin.
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      • Profile picture of the author cmo140
        For the ones that don't have time to learn all of this, how much would it cost to hire you to do this for someone?
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  • Profile picture of the author krnekdo
    Hi Terry, first off thank you for a great thread!

    You have inspired me to try it out for myself and i must say it is going rather well for me. I submitted an article to GoArticles and started irrelevant backlink building and am already on page 2 in google for my main keyword.

    I got indexed by google sooner then in 24 hours and now 5 days after the start i am on the 18 spot in google.

    I think that goarticles are not ranking as well because google has started to put a bigger emphasis on the domain name. Let me explain what i mean. If you have the keyword in the url, then you rank better and since goarticles have numbers instead of titles i think that is why they are harder to rank well in google..
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    • Profile picture of the author Przemek Bloniarz
      Originally Posted by krnekdo View Post

      Hi Terry, first off thank you for a great thread!

      You have inspired me to try it out for myself and i must say it is going rather well for me. I submitted an article to GoArticles and started irrelevant backlink building and am already on page 2 in google for my main keyword.

      I got indexed by google sooner then in 24 hours and now 5 days after the start i am on the 18 spot in google.

      I think that goarticles are not ranking as well because google has started to put a bigger emphasis on the domain name. Let me explain what i mean. If you have the keyword in the url, then you rank better and since goarticles have numbers instead of titles i think that is why they are harder to rank well in google..
      If you think that google put a bigger emphasis on the domain name then maybe it would be better to buy cheap keyword.info domain that make an article?
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug D
      dubdubdub.keyword.com . = significant impact on rankings.

      dubdubdub.goarticles.com/keyword = considered "best practice", but will have little to no effect on your rankings.




      Originally Posted by krnekdo View Post

      Hi Terry, first off thank you for a great thread!

      You have inspired me to try it out for myself and i must say it is going rather well for me. I submitted an article to GoArticles and started irrelevant backlink building and am already on page 2 in google for my main keyword.

      I got indexed by google sooner then in 24 hours and now 5 days after the start i am on the 18 spot in google.

      I think that goarticles are not ranking as well because google has started to put a bigger emphasis on the domain name. Let me explain what i mean. If you have the keyword in the url, then you rank better and since goarticles have numbers instead of titles i think that is why they are harder to rank well in google..
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    What is the easiest and fastest method to get your site on page one
    the problem is... it doesn't exist.

    While basic SEO and the methods needed to rank a site well are very simple concepts, achieving that goal isn't easy or quick.

    If it were that easy... this thread wouldn't be 11 pages long and growing, you wouldn't have people starting new threads asking the same questions over and over again and we would all be living it up on the beach in Tahiti.

    If you don't want to read the whole thread... here it is in a nutshell... get lots of backlinks. Get about 2 million backlinks and you can be on page one for just about anything you can think of.

    *an edit 'cus my comments were a little dick nixon

    Almost all of the methods you'll find posted around WF for ranking a site involve one common factor... backlinks.

    There are not a whole lot of differences between the different methods used. Profiles, blog and forum commenting, backlinks from relevant or authority sites, submitting articles... it's all about getting backlinks. A link wheel is just a fancy term for backlinks that link to each other. What do some of the fancy automated tools do... spam backlinks for you.

    At the end of the day, it's always backlinks. How you get them or where you're sticking them is the devil in the details.
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    • Profile picture of the author cmo140
      Of Course its not easy, But what is the best method on this. What software should I use. Reading through this, many times people talk about software, rank checkers, Senuke. I guess what I am looking for what Software did Terry use. Maybe there should be a list of everything he used with prices.
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      • Profile picture of the author tferraro11
        Originally Posted by cmo140 View Post

        Of Course its not easy, But what is the best method on this. What software should I use. Reading through this, many times people talk about software, rank checkers, Senuke. I guess what I am looking for what Software did Terry use. Maybe there should be a list of everything he used with prices.
        Like jasonmorgan said there is no quick and easy way to drive your website niche to the first page if you want it to stick. It takes aggressive proper link building, social networking, social bookmarking, article writing for traffic, and a website that is properly SEOed. It doesn't really matter what software you buy or use, if you don't know how to SEO properly you will receive very poor results. In addition, if you're going after keywords that are very competitive with competition like Amazon and Wiki on the first page, it will take a lot of time and money to rank above them. Remember you get what you pay for, SEO is a long term investment not a one or two month investment which is very unrealistic. If you find the right SEO consultant to do the job, you will turn your investment into profits.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Super quick post now before coming back later tonight to respond and update.

          I touched on this in my Google Sniper analysis (Part 1) for my email subscribers but this tool I've been messing around with lately is valuable for all IM in finding good keyword phrases that haven't been saturated (remember you need to check the search volumes suggested by this tool in your usual weapons: Keyword Elite 2, Google Keyword Tool, free Wordtracker etc).

          However, it does give lots of ideas and a quick glimpse of the strength of organic competition (SEO for Firefox plugin required) - I'll let the pics tell the story:














          If anything isn't clear, post your questions and I'll answer them later.
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    • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      If you don't want to read the whole thread... here it is in a nutshell... get lots of backlinks. Get about 2 million backlinks and you can be on page one for just about anything you can think of.
      Not if I get 2,000,001!
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      For those following my Panic Attacks article for the term, how to deal with panic attacks (which has been bouncing between #1 and #3 up against a tag-team of Squidoo troublemakers):

      How To Deal With Panic Attacks?: GoArticles.com

      I have just completely rewritten the article and shortened the headline to the keyword phrase.

      It's still in my vast backlinking factory though but watch how it falls and (hopefully) bounces back over the coming days/week or two.

      The point?

      If an article isn't working with a #1 ranking, don't be afraid to change it!

      I am going against some of the findings of this experiment with a totally different strategy now. Let's see if this does a better job of preselling as the previous one wasn't performing.

      Just a quick note on my forthcoming Google Sniper review for my SEO Notes subscribers. If you are using this system now, strongly consider adding heavy (outsourced) backlinking (to go after more competitive terms), a WP plugin like WPUnique or Content Blender, PLR articles for your non-main posts, Google Analyticator and less reliance on On-Page SEO.

      No disrespect to George Brown at all with those observations, just my options for strengthening his well-articulated program.

      With a similar-ish system, IPK, my success in the past was pretty limited because I didn't do those things (wish I understood them back then - duh! ).

      More on that stuff in my full review. Articlesbase article on yeast infections holding at #8/#9 on Page 1 still.
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      • Profile picture of the author pons_saravanan
        Hi terry

        How about adding a H2 tag and few H3 tags?

        I have checked your article's HTML source. I noticed only H1 is there. And there is no H2 and H3.

        I am not sure GoArticles allows that or not.But you can wrap a title inside your article with <h2>Tilte Keyword</h2>.

        I had some good movement in the SERPS with H2 and H3 Tags.
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        • Profile picture of the author samcarson
          Terry are you using Backlink Booster in this experiment? I know this is a new product, I meant did you start using it.

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  • Profile picture of the author caliray
    The title of this thread caught my eye because I'm in the middle of generating a list of high PR dofollow backlinks. It's clear to me that Google, for now anyway, places a lot of value on quality backlinks in their page ranking. Let's hope their "authority site" algorithm never goes out of use.

    From my own experience, it is not very easy to find decent PR pages that allow comments. Sure, I can find tons of high PR sites that have comment pages, but on inspection, find the comment pages are nearly always un-ranked or have zero PR.

    I would have posted a thank you, but I've looked and don't see a thank you button anywhere. Maybe it's a color I can't see.
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    • Profile picture of the author searchnology
      Note the domain PR is taken into account as well...I'd say it is even more heavily weighted than the page PR.


      Originally Posted by caliray View Post

      The title of this thread caught my eye because I'm in the middle of generating a list of high PR dofollow backlinks. It's clear to me that Google, for now anyway, places a lot of value on quality backlinks in their page ranking. Let's hope their "authority site" algorithm never goes out of use.

      From my own experience, it is not very easy to find decent PR pages that allow comments. Sure, I can find tons of high PR sites that have comment pages, but on inspection, find the comment pages are nearly always un-ranked or have zero PR.

      I would have posted a thank you, but I've looked and don't see a thank you button anywhere. Maybe it's a color I can't see.
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    Use Comment Kahuna to find high PR pages for commenting. Its a real timesaver and if you do your comments right the stick rate is pretty good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      If you are on my list, I just sent out my analysis and recommendations on Google Sniper - WITHOUT affiliate links (so there FTC!)...more soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        If you are on my list, I just sent out my analysis and recommendations on Google Sniper - WITHOUT affiliate links (so there FTC!)...more soon.
        Terry I've just subscribed to your list but maybe I missed the mail out, does it still come to late subscribers? And if not is there a way to access it?

        EDIT: nevermind I found it with a google search...
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        • Profile picture of the author yasky
          Originally Posted by medway View Post

          Terry I've just subscribed to your list but maybe I missed the mail out, does it still come to late subscribers? And if not is there a way to access it?

          EDIT: nevermind I found it with a google search...

          I just signed up as well.... Where did you find it?
          Or if Terry could send it I would greatly appreciate it.
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        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        If you are on my list, I just sent out my analysis and recommendations on Google Sniper - WITHOUT affiliate links (so there FTC!)...more soon.
        Terry,

        Just joined your list. Would be interested in seeing your analysis and recommendations on Google Sniper. i have had a bit of success with it but like you said, most keywords will need a bit of back linking even with minimal competition.

        By the way, excellent thread. Can't wait to sit down and read it ALL when I have more time.

        Joshua
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        Terry, I can't PM yet. can i get the report on google sniper?
        have been reading the thread and bookmarketing every tool mentioned. i am 15 hours in right now on page 10 or is it 11? i will post my marketing blueprint for back linking after i have reviewed all the tools mentioned
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  • Profile picture of the author yasky
    Terry, I really would like to thank you for this thread and everyone that has participated. It has been very informative and I have learned some great stuff from it. I am currently just getting underway with an adsense campaign and will be implementing some of your strategy and tactics.

    I would like to know if you also use ezine or just stay with GoArticles. And if you use both do you put the same article on both?

    Thanks Again
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    A hear felt thank you from me too. There is so much information in this thread I could be processing it for the next year. Just when I thought I knew which end was up...this thread comes along.
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  • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
    Hey Terry,

    I never did receive your update on Google sniper...i received your email on Sunday regarding Choons service and then you mentioned an update on sniper but didnt receive it and saw another person saying the same thing on here.

    thanks,

    chris

    ps - i did a search in both inbox and junk folders but nada.
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  • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
    Okay this seems to be the only place I get answers so I'm gonna ask a question. I was looking at this site heaven4affiliates, it has 7 backlinks 2 pages but has an indexed of 233 pages??? I clicked on the 2 links at the bottom Specials and Partners and it has all these other pages, links mini descriptions for about 7 and 14 pages each. A PR of 3, copywrited 200, Alexa of like 379,000.

    Okay so my question is, I DO NOT have to write pages to get pages indexed? How many pages I'm linked too are indexed also?

    How could a new site get a PR of 3?

    I found this site because the owner answered a question on a yahoo answers site and claimes he makes $8000 a month from his site. Can a person make that much with 1 rather 2 books? Maybe I'm missing it because I'm an affiliate of a tone of stuff trying to make a buck in my niche! (I have made 1.04 via Amazon & about $30 in google adsense for November!!) So okay I'm tyring to make a few thousand in my niche.

    So I can just have links to other sites for indexing? Does google like sites (blogs) with a lot of indexed pages? Is that good or bad?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
    Hey Terry or anyone else,

    i have a few older domains just sitting there, a few are actually pretty good niches, i have used some autocontent generation on them and 2 years ago did some very small article marketing on the sites. they used to get a "little" traffic but now they get very little. i do have several pages in googe index so its not be delisted but definitely not getting any other love...so my question is...

    Do i even bother to perform some TLC on the site, find a good cpa/affilate offer and pick a 1-2 pages and start promoting it or just start fresh with a new site?

    thanks,

    chris
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    • Profile picture of the author tclendaniel
      Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

      Hey Terry or anyone else,

      i have a few older domains just sitting there, a few are actually pretty good niches, i have used some autocontent generation on them and 2 years ago did some very small article marketing on the sites. they used to get a "little" traffic but now they get very little. i do have several pages in googe index so its not be delisted but definitely not getting any other love...so my question is...

      Do i even bother to perform some TLC on the site, find a good cpa/affilate offer and pick a 1-2 pages and start promoting it or just start fresh with a new site?

      thanks,

      chris
      My two cents would be to keep with the existing site if it is at all related. That's because you already have an internal linking strategy in place, external links, some level of domain age and domain authority. It would seem to be a waste to chuck all that in hopes that a new site would do better. OR, you could set up a new site AND a new page to the existing site, and test 50 links or so to both and see what works better. Then continue building links to the winner. Hope that helps!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Tricky to find time on a travelling holiday with the girlfriend to contribute much here - maybe later tonight hopefully!

        This was interesting though.

        The GoArticle (#2) that refused to index for over a month and wouldn't budge with IRRELEVANT links is now here with 2 conflicting US readings (from Northern Ireland) on its current rank:




        With its higher ranking, it has chipped in with a CB sale (about time!) so I've thrown a quick-and-dirty PPC campaign at it to confirm/deny its viability in its current form.
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        • Profile picture of the author medway
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Tricky to find time on a travelling holiday with the girlfriend to contribute much here - maybe later tonight hopefully!

          This was interesting though.

          The GoArticle (#2) that refused to index for over a month and wouldn't budge with IRRELEVANT links is now here with 2 conflicting US readings (from Northern Ireland) on its current rank:

          With its higher ranking, it has chipped in with a CB sale (about time!) so I've thrown a quick-and-dirty PPC campaign at it to confirm/deny its viability in its current form.
          You might want to look into: Hide IP - Hide IP address and protect privacy - Hide-IP-Soft.com

          Only $10 for 3 months and gives you about 8 US ips and 4 UK ones so makes checking google usa results more accurate.
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  • Profile picture of the author ElMundodelExito
    Thanks Terry this is the best t. ever. By the way did you already post the results of the SEnuke wordpress site??, maybe I got lost... thanks anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rich Muir
      Hi Terry would love to know your overall feedback on Senuke?

      By that way thanks for the posts.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman View Post

        SE NUKE rocks! My crew uses it ALL the time.
        Glad you've had success with it MMM.

        Can you briefly share your exact methodology as there are quite a few different possibilities with SEN?

        Thank you in advance.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

          I discontinued my service with SENuke last week. There are way too many problems with the software and I'm waiting for the new update coming in a few months. At this moment I don't feel it all that great and I'm still waiting to see results from my efforts. Nothing yet so I don't feel the program is worth the money.
          If I haven't quite joined your club on this issue Bruce, let's just say I'm looking closely through your club's membership application form!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by searchnology View Post

            Thanks for the tip Sterlingtek!

            This is just an FYI to the community on the forum. I did find over 300 internal Wikipedia pages linking to the page ranking #1 on Google. (Not a single external link incoming) There's no way to make those internal links "nofollow" however but I was able to remove the link in question since all of the pages were using a single template footer for "related terms". Wikipedia should make their internal links nofollow just like their external links so that their pages stand on their own merit and not get artificial rankings. Seems hypocrital not to do so.
            The key there S might be REPORTED external links. Is it in a very competitive term?

            Incidentally, thanks to another Warrior's recommendation (Go Matt!), I've been checking out an astonishing SEO software program. The free version has most of the functionality you need and delivers a staggering amount of information.

            I'll do an in-depth analysis of it next week for my free SEO newsletter subscribers. If you liked my stuff on Google Sniper, this will rock your world AND end a lot of SEO debates (it's already proven me wrong on a couple of key points!).

            Amazing program, can't believe it isn't the talk of the Warrior Forum. Yet.
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

              Hey Terry,

              I never did receive your update on Google sniper...i received your email on Sunday regarding Choons service and then you mentioned an update on sniper but didnt receive it and saw another person saying the same thing on here.

              thanks,

              chris

              ps - i did a search in both inbox and junk folders but nada.
              PM sent Chris.
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by desireeaib View Post

                Okay this seems to be the only place I get answers so I'm gonna ask a question. I was looking at this site heaven4affiliates, it has 7 backlinks 2 pages but has an indexed of 233 pages??? I clicked on the 2 links at the bottom Specials and Partners and it has all these other pages, links mini descriptions for about 7 and 14 pages each. A PR of 3, copywrited 200, Alexa of like 379,000.

                Okay so my question is, I DO NOT have to write pages to get pages indexed? How many pages I'm linked too are indexed also?

                How could a new site get a PR of 3?

                I found this site because the owner answered a question on a yahoo answers site and claimes he makes $8000 a month from his site. Can a person make that much with 1 rather 2 books? Maybe I'm missing it because I'm an affiliate of a tone of stuff trying to make a buck in my niche! (I have made 1.04 via Amazon & about $30 in google adsense for November!!) So okay I'm tyring to make a few thousand in my niche.

                So I can just have links to other sites for indexing? Does google like sites (blogs) with a lot of indexed pages? Is that good or bad?

                Thanks
                Gosh D - so many questions at once. Let's get started:

                Okay so my question is, I DO NOT have to write pages to get pages indexed? How many pages I'm linked too are indexed also?

                Watch Matt Cutts' video on this topic here (obviously he can't reveal everything but this sounds solid):

                http://www.youtube.com/v/Mha9q2aAfdM

                In my view D, forget about page volume on your site. You just need one page or post to rank well and, if properly tested and tweaked and converting, you will make a good living. Among my IM income, I earn four figure sums every month from 3 Amazon pages for my own products (books) published via Lightning Source.

                With this site of mine: Backlinks: Backlinks Black Belt Report Version 2.0 800 Bonus Backlinks, it basically has one HTML homepage, a WP blog (with 1 post until a couple of days ago), NO Privacy Policy page and NO Contact Me Page. Yet in roughly 4 months of aggressive backlinking, it had penetrated Page 1 (might be top of Page 2 at the moment with tons of linkbuilding going on) for the term 'backlinks' with supposedly 2.7 million competitors "in quotes" (I don't use that measure).

                Forget all about page volume. It's ranking quality not quantity and building endless pages is like writing endless articles - a complete waste of time and distraction from your most important goals:

                - creating/supervising the creation of converting sales pages;
                - managing backlinks to those pages (or fine tuning PPC campaigns to them);
                - product creation (especially through gap-spotting);
                - partnership building;
                - establishing long-term trust, credibility and respect with your primary target audience/s

                Interestingly, the niches/sites where I give the most of myself in terms of time and effort are my most commercially successful. Coincidence?

                I found this site because the owner answered a question on a yahoo answers site and claimes he makes $8000 a month from his site. Can a person make that much with 1 rather 2 books?

                Difficult to say if the guy is genuinely earning that or not. If you're Eben Pagan, you probably make much more in an hour. Adsense is, in my view, outrageously tightfisted with Publishers but it sounds like XFactor has had some success with it (though I haven't seen or tried that system).

                Did I cover everything D?

                Actually I didn't - "how can a new site get a PR3?".

                1. How new is it? Don't forget that PR can be manipulated through BH techniques, and,

                2. PR doesn't matter - rankings with converting pages do. PR0 sites beat much higher PR sites every day of the week.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

                  Hey Terry or anyone else,

                  i have a few older domains just sitting there, a few are actually pretty good niches, i have used some autocontent generation on them and 2 years ago did some very small article marketing on the sites. they used to get a "little" traffic but now they get very little. i do have several pages in googe index so its not be delisted but definitely not getting any other love...so my question is...

                  Do i even bother to perform some TLC on the site, find a good cpa/affilate offer and pick a 1-2 pages and start promoting it or just start fresh with a new site?

                  thanks,

                  chris
                  Hi again Chris,

                  We need to have a direct phone line between our homes set up!

                  You already have the sites so you may as well use them. Will the slight age help? Maybe.

                  But - and I hate to sound like the proverbial broken record here - you have to push links at them.
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                  • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
                    I had a good chuckle today. 6 months ago, I did a bunch of keyword research and bought some exact match domains for some keywords with good searches but low competition. At the time, I just installed Wordpress on all of them, but didn't build all of them out into sites. Today, I finally added some posts to 3 of them, then went and added them to Webmaster Tools. I was surprised to find that all 3 were already indexed, and 2 of them already had decent rankings for the main keyword. One was #9 on page 1 and the other was at #12 on page 2. I never threw any links at them, since I hadn't started building the sites until today, so I have no idea how Google even found them. I guess this shows the power of exact matched domains if a "Hello World" post can get listed on the first 2 pages.
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                    • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
                      I do know if you have domains purchased you can still get them bring in traffic. GoDaddy let's you share in parked domains, but you can go to G's adsense and set it up yourself.

                      I read somewhere that just having the domain name helps with aging. I don't know if that was or is for Adsense with their 6 months rules or what or with indexing. But I was following someone for a short time and she would buy 30-40 domains at a time she was interested in and maybe not build them out for up to 3 months due to projects she was working on and stuff.

                      I stopped following her because I hate when you get a web of customer service people trying to answer your questions vs. the person. AND I found warrior forum so here I am!


                      Originally Posted by LIndaB View Post

                      I had a good chuckle today. 6 months ago, I did a bunch of keyword research and bought some exact match domains for some keywords with good searches but low competition. At the time, I just installed Wordpress on all of them, but didn't build all of them out into sites. Today, I finally added some posts to 3 of them, then went and added them to Webmaster Tools. I was surprised to find that all 3 were already indexed, and 2 of them already had decent rankings for the main keyword. One was #9 on page 1 and the other was at #12 on page 2. I never threw any links at them, since I hadn't started building the sites until today, so I have no idea how Google even found them. I guess this shows the power of exact matched domains if a "Hello World" post can get listed on the first 2 pages.
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            • Profile picture of the author medway
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

              Incidentally, thanks to another Warrior's recommendation (Go Matt!), I've been checking out an astonishing SEO software program. The free version has most of the functionality you need and delivers a staggering amount of information.

              I'll do an in-depth analysis of it next week for my free SEO newsletter subscribers. If you liked my stuff on Google Sniper, this will rock your world AND end a lot of SEO debates (it's already proven me wrong on a couple of key points!).

              Amazing program, can't believe it isn't the talk of the Warrior Forum. Yet.
              Would this happen to be Link Assistants software? That's very good for checking backlinks, shows loads of info.
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  • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
    I did buy your e-book 800 backlinks. And I'm reading it now. Thanks for your response. I'm really learning more from you in a short time then most. I love your GS review. Also the fact that you are showing how to improve it without selling it. That is wonderful in my book, goes a long way on integrity!
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Thank you D.

      As is probably obvious, I really enjoy thinking and writing about all this stuff and get a kick out of contributing (in some small way) to the success of others.

      I don't promote any affiliate offers to my subscribers, just what I think is valuable SEO/IM information - though I do reserve the right to occasionally mention anything new that I've released!

      Plus, my newsletter subscribers, like Matt Carter and Carl Ringwall, often share truly awesome stuff with me like that (free) SEO software that I'll be doing my GS-style analysis next week.

      First, I am working on my detailed analysis of making the most of Backlink Booster. And my Salsa moves of course!

      My eventual goal is to be a part of an IM sub-community where we are ALL succeeding through shared knowledge and tools, kind of a more focused micro-version of the Warrior Forum.
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    Terry.....if I haven't said it before, thank you for providing all of this free information for everyone. I can also say that the information in your ebook is truly invaluable for any IMer!
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  • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
    Medway,

    great minds think alike, that was my guess...i had a friend really rave about that software and ive had it sitting on my desktop for a month and still havent got around to it. oh where does the time go.

    Terry, looking forward to your next bombshell, btw...you mentioned somewhere in this thread about studying some big companies and how they get millions of links and i "thought" that is going to be a 2010 announcement...am i "remembering" that correctly?

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author YanKirby
    Wow! Just read this thread from start to finish. When I checked the time I spent on it, took me a good 4 hours.

    Probably one of the best 4 hours ive ever invested on any forum. Thanks terry!

    I've done something like this for a client a few months ago. He was promoting a CB product (with my suggestions from niche finding to blog set-up and linking). We used EZA to post 20 articles, got 100 or so backlinks to the main blog and come up with a PPC plan.

    With all things kept simple-- no link wheels, SENukes and special softwares, the client was able to generate 6-8 sales before I turned over everything to him. Im not sure what his sales figure are right now but this led me to a question:

    Is it all favorable to build links for a directory site rather than building it back to the main site?

    I just coudlnt imagine if we used angela's, P's and your WSO with that project along with the help of virtual assistants and SEONuke.

    Really appreciate what you did here terry. One of the best threads ive read in a VERY long time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Thanks YK.

      Yes Chris and Medway, it is SEO Spyglass and it was actually Tom (thmgoodw) who kindly brought this amazing program up in this thread first and took the trouble to put the video in there too (Matt Carter also mentioned it to me from memory, thanks to both guys).

      Great work Tom!

      Now, SEO Spyglass delivers so much information that it's easy to get overwhelmed by it all.

      Also, it's not the information that's presented to you that matters but how to interpret it and then how to use it.

      That's why my detailed analysis will be going in to.

      SEO Spyglass is not perfect and I have encountered some problems using it.

      But one indisputable fact that has come up (which contradicts my recommendations) is using exact anchor text. I am checking high-ranking site after site after site and most of those have relatively few exact keyword anchor text backlinks (some have almost 50% of their backlinks as unanchored links i.e. images)!

      That's SEO Spyglass 1, Terry Kyle 0 - drats!

      BUT

      the page title and H1 tag are almost always their exact keyword (no newsflash there of course).

      Do backlinks need to have your exact keyword anchor text?

      Apparently not.

      Do relevant backlinks matter?

      Don't seem to (not news on this thread either).

      Can you find the forums and blogs where your rivals are getting most of their link power?

      Yep - even with the free version of SEO Spyglass where you can't save results and can only analyse 1000 results, you can see where the boffins at Link Assistant (makers of SEO Spyglass) theorise that the most power is coming from (it's their guess but could be useful).

      I am testing the paid one and running checks on sites where I am analysing 7000-8000 backlinks going to one page (takes a loooooooong time, by the way and sometimes crashes mid-job).

      But there is no Yahoo Site Explorer or link:url 'gentleman's agreement' here about only showing a sub-set of links or maximum of 1000.

      Cool huh?

      Just one of the ways that SEO Spyglass will change IM is in figuring out competition strength. Forget all that "in quotes" stuff.

      Now - even with the free version - you can check things like how many homepage backlinks are coming to a competitors high-ranking page (and/or whole site) where the PR (if that matters) is undiluted. These are often paid links but some of these high-ranking sites have hundreds of paid homepage links!

      Obviously, I'll go into this much more in my multi-part analysis but I recommend going and having a play with SEO Spyglass.

      This program could be the final word on a LOT of time-consuming SEO debates.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

        Medway,

        great minds think alike, that was my guess...i had a friend really rave about that software and ive had it sitting on my desktop for a month and still havent got around to it. oh where does the time go.

        Terry, looking forward to your next bombshell, btw...you mentioned somewhere in this thread about studying some big companies and how they get millions of links and i "thought" that is going to be a 2010 announcement...am i "remembering" that correctly?

        Chris
        Hi Chris,

        That's in the 'Black Label Sealed Section' of my WSO 2.0 Chris (which you have).
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        But one indisputable fact that has come up (which contradicts my recommendations) is using exact anchor text. I am checking high-ranking site after site after site and most of those have relatively few exact keyword anchor text backlinks (some have almost 50% of their backlinks as unanchored links i.e. images)!

        That's SEO Spyglass 1, Terry Kyle 0 - drats!
        Interesting find, this is a concept I'm testing at the moment, putting in more variations and even junk anchors to help mix things up. I have a feeling you can get away with less exact anchors if you go this route.

        Also with an authority/aged/higher pr site (3+) you can probably get away with less anchors, the on page stuff really kicks in there.
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      • Profile picture of the author veotis
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Thanks YK.

        Yes Chris and Medway, it is SEO Spyglass and it was actually Tom (thmgoodw) who kindly brought this amazing program up in this thread first and took the trouble to put the video in there too (Matt Carter also mentioned it to me from memory, thanks to both guys).

        Great work Tom!
        I have SEO Elite, and it does a lot of what I saw in the SEO Spyglass video. Not tit for tat, but, I believe it will do the job. With that said, I looked at the whole SEO Suite package, and liked what I saw with that. Thanks for the heads up, Terry.
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        • Profile picture of the author Doug D
          V.,

          I have used the Link- Assistant products for months. Here is what I would recommend:

          Spyglass is great for drilling down and getting lots of backlink info.

          Rank checker is the best rank checker I have ever used. It will burn through my 300 keyword list in about 60 seconds, and it is virtually 100% accurate.

          Website Auditor- This to me is an inherently flawed premise. Basically (If I remember correctly) it uses the various meta info/keyword info etc, from the top ten sites - In order to give you the "optimum" % usage for keyword in title tag and crap like that. This is totally flawed because 95% of the sites out there have little to know clue how to really properly optimize a website. Why would I want to emulate the top ten, when I know what "best practices" I should be implementing? Just because a site ranks on the 1st page for a keyword...doesn't mean they are competent at seo.

          Link Assistant - This to me...is seriously outdated, and it is really based on the premise of doing large qty link exchanges. Unless you are looking to do a bunch of reciprocal linking (which I certainly would not advise), this piece of software does pretty much the same thing as Spyglass.

          Conclusion: I have been using for the last 6 months - Link-Assistant's Spyglass, and Rank Tracker only. The perfect compliment to these is Market Samurai...which I have also been using pretty much since it came out.

          * I don't know if they have changed their sales copy, but Link-Assistant did a really poor job of letting people know that they were going to incur an ongoing fee after the 6 month subscription. So, just know that there is ongoing fees, but at like 7 bones a month each (if you pay monthly), its a no-brainer for me.

          * Market Samurai is one time fee, and frankly I'd pay 10x what they sell it for. It's awesome, as well. It's the best tool out there for quickly assessing the difficulty for a k.w. After looking at 1000's of keywords in M.S., a knowledgeable seo can make a reasonable assessment of a k.w.'s competition in a matter of seconds. :rolleyes:


          Originally Posted by veotis View Post

          I have SEO Elite, and it does a lot of what I saw in the SEO Spyglass video. Not tit for tat, but, I believe it will do the job. With that said, I looked at the whole SEO Suite package, and liked what I saw with that. Thanks for the heads up, Terry.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by kevin campbelle View Post

            Terry,

            Some are saying that your backlink packages along with the other popular packages are dead for new sites. Interesting discussion going on here.

            http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...dead-gone.html


            Kevin.
            Thank you Kevin. By the time I added my thoughts over in the bearpit, that spicy thread had been deleted!

            OK before answering comments and thoughts here, how about this for a BIG ClickBank issue (maybe Affiliate180 guy Joe Lavery is on to something when he recommends creating your OWN order page):




            These are from 2 different CB accounts of mine where quite a few order form impressions do not result in sales. One of these pics is from the experiment.

            Coincidence?

            I'm not saying it happens on every vendor I'm affiliated with on CB but it's a little troubling.

            Have you seen this on your ClickBank accounts?

            Next post for other stuff.
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by medway View Post

              Interesting find, this is a concept I'm testing at the moment, putting in more variations and even junk anchors to help mix things up. I have a feeling you can get away with less exact anchors if you go this route.

              Also with an authority/aged/higher pr site (3+) you can probably get away with less anchors, the on page stuff really kicks in there.
              Hi again M.

              With SEO Spyglass, I'm seeing #1 sites using less than 5% of their anchor texts (some under 2%!) with the exact keyword phrase and sometimes as much as 40% of their reported backlinks are unanchored (presumably images without alt text).

              However they do have the exact keyword phrase in the title and usually an H1 tag. Then they just seem to fire a lot of unanchored or completely irrelevantly anchored link juice at it and Google figures it out from the on-page stuff.

              The awesome thing about this factor (thanks Spyglass) is that it means we can jump into ultra-high PR forums and comment and post away with an irrelevant word or symbol linked to our money site/pumper site within the post or signature and it still seems to have plenty of value.

              Spyglass certainly isn't without its issues though as I'll briefly discuss when I respond to Doug's posts in a moment.

              Medway, I really encourage you to try the free Spyglass (if you haven't already) and see what I mean. The anchor-text-relevance issue looks like a 'case closed' SEO file now.

              Or is it?
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

                "But one indisputable fact that has come up (which contradicts my recommendations) is using exact anchor text. I am checking high-ranking site after site after site and most of those have relatively few exact keyword anchor text backlinks (some have almost 50% of their backlinks as unanchored links i.e. images)!"

                Terry,
                Ya, I think the bottom line is that a high authority, high trust site...simply doesn't require as many links, and/or as many anchor text links to get to the top, for a given keyword.
                For one...often times...they wield enough power to simply use anchor text in their internal pages to get to page 1. Depending on whether using spyglass(and how you have the settings), Yahoo or some other software, one may not be seeing all of their internal links, which could be plentiful, both in qty. and anchor text.

                My experience has been that I may have to get 10x the links that big-ins have. And ya...I look at Amazon's or Target's anchor text, and they usually don't have much of the good stuff.

                For me...being a moderately "trusted", "authority" site...I go straight after my anchor text keywords for my backlinks. I'm at a point where I get natural links anyway...that are not my anchor text, so I end up with a natural looking blend in the end.

                I do believe it is crucial for us non-big-ins to go after the anchor text. I've gone from page 10 to #3 on page 1 over the last 3-ish weeks...for a keyword that has 1.5mill exact, and is at around $1.00 in adwords. I absolutely attribute it to hammering 100's of anchor text backlinks at that page.

                Also, I think you mentioned spyglass being great for assessing competition? I've been using it for about 6 months, and it is great for drilling down, but there is something much more efficient for assessing competition, and I imagine that you are already using it, or are at least familiar with it - M.S.

                Just my two cents

                Doug
                Hey Doug,

                Thanks for all your detailed input here.

                My experience has been that I may have to get 10x the links that big-ins have. And ya...I look at Amazon's or Target's anchor text, and they usually don't have much of the good stuff.

                In public reporting tools, I only see about 20-30% of my actual backlinks reported. If that's a general rule of thumb, it's a good thing to take into account when assessing the vulnerability of a keyword. However, the newest update of Spyglass seems to show loads more (though it takes a very long time to get all the analytical info and often crashes while doing so - at least for me) though I've got to check this in more detail.

                Changes the picture somewhat but don't forget to use the Google Wonder Wheel with SEO for Firefox running inside it for loads of keyword ideas (but always check approximate search volumes elsewhere!).

                I do believe it is crucial for us non-big-ins to go after the anchor text. I've gone from page 10 to #3 on page 1 over the last 3-ish weeks...for a keyword that has 1.5mill exact, and is at around $1.00 in adwords. I absolutely attribute it to hammering 100's of anchor text backlinks at that page.

                Nice.

                Also, I think you mentioned spyglass being great for assessing competition? I've been using it for about 6 months, and it is great for drilling down, but there is something much more efficient for assessing competition, and I imagine that you are already using it, or are at least familiar with it - M.S.

                Tried the Demo of MS a while back but don't recall it giving anywhere near the info of Spyglass. Maybe it is now?
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

                  Hey Terry,
                  I'm glad you found Spyglass. I've been using it for a few months with great success. What I'm really happy about is that the ranking tool provides accurate results compared to many other programs. Anyhow on a side note, how many links are you adding when you create profiles? I've seen some companies in India post 100's of links but I highly doubt that all of them carry any weight if any to all the different websites. I can only find one anchor text link showing up for any post that I might have left 2-3 anchor text links. From this I'm guessing that in order for me to have more sites getting link juice from any profile site, I would have to create multiple profiles for each anchor text link. Your observations?
                  Bruce
                  Hey Bruce,

                  Welcome back - how's the hotel site coming along?

                  To answer your question, most forums (which seem the best kind of links for me at the moment) only allow maybe 3 backlinks (per account) with their character limits. Yes - multiple profiles for more links or...

                  ...as was discussed earlier in the 'Forum Clustering' technique mentioned in this thread, you could make several different posts on threads within very high PR forums quoting relevant article content for that specific thread and leave a couple of embedded smiley faces in each of your posts (no links yet!).

                  Then come back a week later and link each one to a different site of yours. In theory, you could create dozens of long term 'slots' for your current/future sites with smileys IF the particular forum supports non-underlined 'hyperlinkable' smileys. Just record the URLs of each specific thread, usernames and passwords in an Excel spreadsheet or Word file so it's easy to go back.

                  Plus, SEO Spyglass analyses seem to suggest that relevant anchor text isn't a big deal so you're good to go.

                  Also Doug, I forgot to mention that in my WSO, I do go into more high end backlinking systems to take on the SEO big boys. PM me on that if you're interested.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by veotis View Post

                    I have SEO Elite, and it does a lot of what I saw in the SEO Spyglass video. Not tit for tat, but, I believe it will do the job. With that said, I looked at the whole SEO Suite package, and liked what I saw with that. Thanks for the heads up, Terry.
                    Hi V,

                    I haven't dabbled with the other Link Assistant tools yet (BTW, you can't save results in the free Rank Checker program) in the Suite, just Spyglass - that's plenty for the moment.

                    SEO Elite's training videos are completely inadequate in my opinion and I feel that Brad needs to address that area of the product (though SEO Spyglass has no videos at all, training-wise).

                    If SE is working for you though V - nice! If we thought there was information overload in IM before, man, it's crazy now!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                      Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

                      Hi Doug--

                      I think we were talking about using seo spyglass for competition spying (and monitoring our own sites) and getting loads of good backlink sources. It really isn't supposed to take the place of something like Market Samurai for the purpose of assessing competition (which I also have and use daily).
                      Hey Tom,

                      Thanks again for the Spyglass heads-up!

                      Do you find MS gives you info that Spyglass doesn't?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                        Originally Posted by dseisner View Post

                        Terry,

                        Do you conclusions from your experiment support the information you give in your ebook? Is there information you learned that you did not include in your ebook?
                        Hi David,

                        That's a great question.

                        Anything new that I learn, I share pretty quickly but I was fairly shocked at the failure of relevant backlinks and disappointed in SENuke's performance during this experiment.

                        Incidentally, I hadn't been recommending those methods before the experiment so that was lucky - phew!

                        If anything D, the experiment has reinforced the importance of patience in linkbuilding -absolutely vital and at the heart of conflict in that heated thread in the SEO sub-forum that got deleted earlier today.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                          Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

                          Hey Terry,

                          I read a post by Marlon Sanders where he said that any anchor text on ezine articles would only count once.......you said earlier..... "loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick."

                          so do you also feel that aside from traffic you are not getting any extra punch by writing a ton of articles for ezine articles using the same anchor text?
                          Hi LBD - welcome back!

                          Yes that's my view on loads of links from the same site - not much help (unless you are using a different strategy to grab traffic WITHIN Ezinearticles, as many experienced article writers do).

                          Try the Warrior Forum signature test LBD.

                          Pick one of your sites that has no other backlinking to it going on. Now change your WF signature file to include a link to that site. In theory, that should be 617 (your post count) new links from a PR4 site (Warrior Forum homepage PR). Now watch what happens over the next 7-14 days. I'm willing to bet that you won't see any bounce from your 617 new PR4 (sort of but not really) backlinks.

                          This is why you should also go easy on platforms like Ning and Movable Type - same IP address for all websites using each system.
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                              No worries mate

                              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                              Doug - I will come back to you properly when I'm not falling asleep at the wheel!
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                            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                            Hi LBD - welcome back!

                            Yes that's my view on loads of links from the same site - not much help (unless you are using a different strategy to grab traffic WITHIN Ezinearticles, as many experienced article writers do).

                            Try the Warrior Forum signature test LBD.

                            Pick one of your sites that has no other backlinking to it going on. Now change your WF signature file to include a link to that site. In theory, that should be 617 (your post count) new links from a PR4 site (Warrior Forum homepage PR). Now watch what happens over the next 7-14 days. I'm willing to bet that you won't see any bounce from your 617 new PR4 (sort of but not really) backlinks.

                            This is why you should also go easy on platforms like Ning and Movable Type - same IP address for all websites using each system.

                            Terry:

                            You are correct that connecting from a site to the same page on another site has little effect, but I believe from some data that I have, that connecting to different pages can be effective. From a practical standpoint look at it from Google's perspective, most "real" sites in a given field will be receiving links from the same forums, blogs, etc. multiple times. These votes for different pages on another website are normal, and from what I have seen are counted. I have not done an extensive study though so I would like to run data on this again. I'll take a look at the Spyglass package.
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                              Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

                              Terry:

                              You are correct that connecting from a site to the same page on another site has little effect, but I believe from some data that I have, that connecting to different pages can be effective. From a practical standpoint look at it from Google's perspective, most "real" sites in a given field will be receiving links from the same forums, blogs, etc. multiple times. These votes for different pages on another website are normal, and from what I have seen are counted. I have not done an extensive study though so I would like to run data on this again. I'll take a look at the Spyglass package.
                              Yes I think Terry is saying this. If I have a site called AcneNoMore and link to the home page with anchor text from a directory like Ezine Articles I get credit for ONE link.
                              If I link to another page on the same site AcneNoMoreCreamForYou with a different anchor text then I would get credit for that page also and get another link.

                              The question would be what if I vary up my anchor text. So if I link to main page of "AcneNoMore" from the same source such as Ezine Articles with one article with a keyphrase of AcneProduct. Then I write another article at Ezines and link to the main page of "AcneNoMore" with a different keyphrase such as AcneSkin.

                              Would I get credit from Google for a link for BOTH AcneSkin and AcneProduct if these are both going from the same source ie Ezine to the same page on the website?

                              Sigh..this is so complicated!
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                            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


                            Yes that's my view on loads of links from the same site - not much help (unless you are using a different strategy to grab traffic WITHIN Ezinearticles, as many experienced article writers do).

                            Try the Warrior Forum signature test LBD.

                            Pick one of your sites that has no other backlinking to it going on. Now change your WF signature file to include a link to that site. In theory, that should be 617 (your post count) new links from a PR4 site (Warrior Forum homepage PR). Now watch what happens over the next 7-14 days. I'm willing to bet that you won't see any bounce from your 617 new PR4 (sort of but not really) backlinks.

                            This is why you should also go easy on platforms like Ning and Movable Type - same IP address for all websites using each system.
                            Terry I just want to clarify a doubt regarding how this applies to a service like The Link Juicer. It has a fixed number of sites, around 10 the last time I checked. Supposedly we get backlinks from hundreds of blogs registered to several accounts for each site. So does your finding imply we get only one backlink per keyword or anchor text?

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                              Originally Posted by samcarson View Post

                              Terry I just want to clarify a doubt regarding how this applies to a service like The Link Juicer. It has a fixed number of sites, around 10 the last time I checked. Supposedly we get backlinks from hundreds of blogs registered to several accounts for each site. So does your finding imply we get only one backlink per keyword or anchor text?

                              Sam
                              So if there are 10 different accounts at the same site ie 10 accounts on a site such as MisterWong. And if the exact same anchor text is used on each of these accounts and points to the same page on a website - Do you get a link each time you use the keyphrase and same site OR just one link?

                              Very interesting question Sam - Terry what do you think? I would really like to know this also.
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                                Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

                                So if there are 10 different accounts at the same site ie 10 accounts on a site such as MisterWong. And if the exact same anchor text is used on each of these accounts and points to the same page on a website - Do you get a link each time you use the keyphrase and same site OR just one link?

                                Very interesting question Sam - Terry what do you think? I would really like to know this also.
                                I am not Terry but, you may want to take a look at what Matt Cutts from Google has to say about No-Follow links,

                                PageRank sculpting

                                There was apparently a bug in the original Google software that allowed anchor text to be considered even if the link was No-Follow and not counted. That implies that the anchor text and the link juice are being considered seperatly. I think about it this way,

                                -Google uses the anchor text to make sure the page is really about what the text on the page says its about.

                                -Google uses the link juice to determine how much weight to give the given webpage.

                                There are simulators for the original page rank algorithm if you want to take a look

                                The PageRank Calculator

                                keep in mind that as Cutts says they kept refining their results, eg. hilltop etc.. So it is pretty simple for them to not consider the second incoming link to the same page from the same site, but they very well might consider the anchor text and what it says about your page.
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                                Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

                                So if there are 10 different accounts at the same site ie 10 accounts on a site such as MisterWong. And if the exact same anchor text is used on each of these accounts and points to the same page on a website - Do you get a link each time you use the keyphrase and same site OR just one link?

                                Very interesting question Sam - Terry what do you think? I would really like to know this also.
                                I believe this only counts within the same page as far as not even being counted at all. If you have multiple links from different pages/accounts they seem to show up but the fact they are all on the same IP dilutes them.

                                So don't go crazy getting a lot of links from one site to any one site of yours. I'm going to cut back on my ezine submissions now as I realize a lot of these might be a waste since its all the same IP.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                                  Sincere apologies for my absences - you'll understand in a few weeks when I launch something...

                                  Hey, here's an idea! This is the video question submission page for Matt Cutts monthly Webmaster videos:

                                  Google Moderator

                                  If we agree on a specific question or 5 each month, we can gang up and vote those to the top and see what Matt says (reading between the lines of his reply of course!).

                                  Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

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                                  SEO Spyglass is awesome for backlink scoping competition.

                                  But for full-blooded competition details, the SEO competition module of Market Samurai is awesome. I can usually tell within a couple of seconds if its a keyword that I want to go after.

                                  Here is competition research on "Terry Kyle" The column headings should be self-explanatory for most items I think. "DA" is domain age and "CA" is the cache age of that page in google (i.e., number of days since last cache) I believe it pulls the backlink data from yahoo site explorer. If you click the don arrow after each URL, it will pull the anchor texts and pagerank (for that page) of each of the backlinks.

                                  You need some more backlinks bud
                                  Absolutely right Tom - "terry kyle" is an awesome buying keyword! I gotta go and call my backlinkers!

                                  SEO Spyglass can be used in at least 4 ways for Internet Marketing as I will go into pretty soon in the first part of my analysis.

                                  Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

                                  For some reason I thought forums would be treated differently than a site like ezine articles.
                                  But basically you are saying...unless I am writing an article to get traffic on its own, one article is all I need there to get a link for a keyphrase? And any future articles I write using that keyphrase will not give me any more brownie points with Google though they may rise in search engine on their own merits?

                                  "Yes that's my view on loads of links from the same site - not much help (unless you are using a different strategy to grab traffic WITHIN Ezinearticles, as many experienced article writers do)."

                                  Hmmm like what?

                                  Thanks sooooooo much!
                                  Hi LBD,

                                  Did you try that WF signature experiment yet?

                                  With tactics INSIDE EZA, Warriors like Jeremy Kelsall have detailed WSOs on that. I've never done much with EZA so unfortunately I'm the wrong person to ask on that.

                                  Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

                                  I suppose I'm an anomaly here in the W.F., with one ecommerce site, and not a bunch of affiliate or adsense sites. So, perhaps my methods are not ideal for others, but for my purposes they have served me very well over the 8 or so months that I've been doing I.M.
                                  Doug, that's brilliant progress in 8 months. Your patience and analytical skills will ensure your success. Well done!

                                  Originally Posted by freddy smith View Post

                                  Hi Terry,
                                  may i get your opinion, Which one is best to get ranking and rank fast

                                  mykeyword.blogspot.com PR8

                                  squidoo.com/mykeyword PR7

                                  Or youtube video with mykeyword in title and mykeyword in discription and tag PR9

                                  Freddy, with SEO Spyglass (are you playing around with it yet? Why not?), I am analysing sites competing with mine on Page 1 of Google for the term 'backlinks' where they have 7,000 backlinks - to one page!

                                  In my WSO (which I think you have), I discuss sites that build several million backlinks - a year!

                                  Therefore, IMHO, agonising over the value of one link versus another is a distraction from your core goals:

                                  [1] Creating/buying a converting sales page;
                                  [2] Building a list with that page;
                                  [3] Throwing tons of backlinks at it to get it to #1 and keeping it there (assuming you've picked a winnable SEO fight);
                                  [4] Tweaking, measuring, testing and improving your conversions;
                                  [5] Finding new traffic sources for your converting sales page (e.g. banner ads on relevant forums, Adbrite, Video marketing etc); and
                                  [6] Repeating that process over and over.

                                  Hope that helps!

                                  Originally Posted by samcarson View Post

                                  Terry I just want to clarify a doubt regarding how this applies to a service like The Link Juicer. It has a fixed number of sites, around 10 the last time I checked. Supposedly we get backlinks from hundreds of blogs registered to several accounts for each site. So does your finding imply we get only one backlink per keyword or anchor text?

                                  Sam
                                  Hi Sam,

                                  I'll be writing about this a lot more soon with the experiment wrap-up but - at least for me (unlike others) - I haven't had success with LJ or SB101 (running both for about 3 months). I'm not saying that those programs don't work, just that I didn't get the impact I was hoping for. Glad I tried them though!

                                  Originally Posted by medway View Post

                                  Yes in my research I've seen big authority sites rank with only a handful of exact anchors.

                                  But although it's preached to mix up anchors I'm seeing lots of sites ranking using just one phrase repeated over and over.

                                  Another interesting thing is when I check some of the pages these links come from quite a few of them aren't even indexed in google. So I wonder if it's actually only a small portion of the total links shown that are actually doing the work.
                                  But although it's preached to mix up anchors I'm seeing lots of sites ranking using just one phrase repeated over and over.

                                  And often it's NOT the keyword that they are ranking highly for!

                                  So I wonder if it's actually only a small portion of the total links shown that are actually doing the work

                                  That's it MW! And whether Link-Assistant's 'Link Value' measure really works because it would be incredible if that theoretical tool was accurate!

                                  OK, back to the secret lab....
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                                  • Profile picture of the author medway
                                    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


                                    But although it's preached to mix up anchors I'm seeing lots of sites ranking using just one phrase repeated over and over.

                                    And often it's NOT the keyword that they are ranking highly for!

                                    So I wonder if it's actually only a small portion of the total links shown that are actually doing the work

                                    That's it MW! And whether Link-Assistant's 'Link Value' measure really works because it would be incredible if that theoretical tool was accurate!

                                    OK, back to the secret lab....
                                    Terry, in my observations it was the keyword they were ranking for, usually it seems they are just targeting one main kw and focusing all their link building on that.

                                    Another thing I've been checking is whether the links are indexed. I took a look at a site the other day that had about 100 total links, 30 of them were dofollow, all with same anchor (what the site was ranking for) but out of those Google was only showing about 7-8 actually being indexed.

                                    So that could potentially cut down the amount of links needed to compete by quite a bit.
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                        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                        Hey Tom,

                        Thanks again for the Spyglass heads-up!

                        Do you find MS gives you info that Spyglass doesn't?
                        SEO Spyglass is awesome for backlink scoping competition.

                        But for full-blooded competition details, the SEO competition module of Market Samurai is awesome. I can usually tell within a couple of seconds if its a keyword that I want to go after.

                        Here is competition research on "Terry Kyle" The column headings should be self-explanatory for most items I think. "DA" is domain age and "CA" is the cache age of that page in google (i.e., number of days since last cache) I believe it pulls the backlink data from yahoo site explorer. If you click the don arrow after each URL, it will pull the anchor texts and pagerank (for that page) of each of the backlinks.

                        You need some more backlinks bud
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                    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                    most forums (which seem the best kind of links for me at the moment) only allow maybe 3 backlinks (per account) with their character limits.
                    In article about URL shortening services I read some time ago they mentioned that bit.ly uses 301 redirect.

                    Checked bit.ly FAQ page, and it says: "A 301 redirect is the most efficient and search engine friendly method for webpage redirection, and is what bit.ly uses. Because bit.ly doesn't re-use our links, we consider our redirects to be permanent."

                    So...would it be a good idea to use shortened URLs for building backlinks to use space more efficiently?

                    For example, one of my links plus HTML code is 191 chars long (with spaces included), and it can be shortened to 72 chars, or even less if I do not use relevant anchor text...
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                Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                Hi again M.


                Medway, I really encourage you to try the free Spyglass (if you haven't already) and see what I mean. The anchor-text-relevance issue looks like a 'case closed' SEO file now.

                Or is it?
                I'd actually used this ages ago but then forgot about it until now so I'm glad it's being brought up again as I've just started to see how useful it is again.

                I think the jury is still out though on the anchor thing as I see both cases happening. One of the things I do want to try is getting just a few of the higher link value type links, I notice many sites seospyglass lists the backlinks all as 0.000 with just a few above that.

                So I want to see if I can get just a handful of the 0.100 or 1.000 type links and perhaps that will be enough to rank.

                One thing I do notice though is that seospyglass still seems to give a value to nofollow links.
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              • Profile picture of the author medway
                Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                Hi again M.

                With SEO Spyglass, I'm seeing #1 sites using less than 5% of their anchor texts (some under 2%!) with the exact keyword phrase and sometimes as much as 40% of their reported backlinks are unanchored (presumably images without alt text).
                Yes in my research I've seen big authority sites rank with only a handful of exact anchors.

                But although it's preached to mix up anchors I'm seeing lots of sites ranking using just one phrase repeated over and over.

                Another interesting thing is when I check some of the pages these links come from quite a few of them aren't even indexed in google. So I wonder if it's actually only a small portion of the total links shown that are actually doing the work.
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          • Profile picture of the author veotis
            Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

            V.,

            I have used the Link- Assistant products for months. Here is what I would recommend:

            Spyglass is great for drilling down and getting lots of backlink info.

            Rank checker is the best rank checker I have ever used. It will burn through my 300 keyword list in about 60 seconds, and it is virtually 100% accurate.

            Website Auditor- This to me is an inherently flawed premise. Basically (If I remember correctly) it uses the various meta info/keyword info etc, from the top ten sites - In order to give you the "optimum" % usage for keyword in title tag and crap like that. This is totally flawed because 95% of the sites out there have little to know clue how to really properly optimize a website. Why would I want to emulate the top ten, when I know what "best practices" I should be implementing? Just because a site ranks on the 1st page for a keyword...doesn't mean they are competent at seo.

            Link Assistant - This to me...is seriously outdated, and it is really based on the premise of doing large qty link exchanges. Unless you are looking to do a bunch of reciprocal linking (which I certainly would not advise), this piece of software does pretty much the same thing as Spyglass.

            Conclusion: I have been using for the last 6 months - Link-Assistant's Spyglass, and Rank Tracker only. The perfect compliment to these is Market Samurai...which I have also been using pretty much since it came out.

            * I don't know if they have changed their sales copy, but Link-Assistant did a really poor job of letting people know that they were going to incur an ongoing fee after the 6 month subscription. So, just know that there is ongoing fees, but at like 7 bones a month each (if you pay monthly), its a no-brainer for me.

            * Market Samurai is one time fee, and frankly I'd pay 10x what they sell it for. It's awesome, as well. It's the best tool out there for quickly assessing the difficulty for a k.w. After looking at 1000's of keywords in M.S., a knowledgeable seo can make a reasonable assessment of a k.w.'s competition in a matter of seconds. :rolleyes:
            Thanks Doug, for that detailed description. I have the free version of SEO Suite, and the only thing I've used is the Rank Checker, which I like. I have Market Samurai, I just haven't fully explored it yet because I tend use Micro Niche Finder. I know MS is powerful, and I'm going to start using it more now. Thanks again..
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      • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


        Obviously, I'll go into this much more in my multi-part analysis but I recommend going and having a play with SEO Spyglass.

        This program could be the final word on a LOT of time-consuming SEO debates.
        Cough...royalties....cough

        Or at least buy me a beer if I visit
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  • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
    You know Terry, the backlink relevance if you really think about it shouldn't matter. People who like a site and promote it on their own naturally, wouldn't just promote it or link it only in similar sites, they would do it all the time. I use to do that way back in the day before I knew a few things and took stabs at making money on line.

    That would mean that G would have more control over sites and determine sites importance and authority and rank in a very big brother kind of way. They would have power over peoples on line income (they kinda do now).

    Seems people use to fear MicroSoft as being the the 'axis of evil' G seems to have similar control as we all cow to what they want. But they are not viewed as the devil incarnate.

    That's my 2 cents for today.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Hey Terry,

    I read a post by Marlon Sanders where he said that any anchor text on ezine articles would only count once.......you said earlier..... "loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick."

    so do you also feel that aside from traffic you are not getting any extra punch by writing a ton of articles for ezine articles using the same anchor text?
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug D
      LBD,

      I didn't read the Sanders piece. Also, I'm not a big article marketer, and I probably only have a dozen or so articles over at ezine (for my one ecommerce site) But, I'll chime in anyway.

      Perhaps he was referring to having two anchor text links in the same resource box, and going to the same outbound url. If that is the case...then it is correct to say that you will only get 1st link credit from G. That is...you will only get credit/juice for the 1st link that G. sees. Now, if those two links point to different outbound urls, then that statement does not hold true.

      Also, I would concur with Terry...in that 30 backlinks from the same domain would not carry the same weight as 30 backlinks from 30 different domains. That said, I'd rather have 30 backlinks from a PR6 domain than 30 backlinks from 30 PR1 domains - Just my opinion.

      Lastly, depending on your site, goals, and quality of your articles...there can be much more to gain from Ezine, then just backlinks. If you have high quality articles...you can hope to get some of them picked up by half-ass decent publishing based sites. If you do have high quality content...take a look to see if some sites may have picked it up - If they have (and there decent sites), initiate correspondence with them...and see if they want more content. They may own more sites, as well.





      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      Hey Terry,

      I read a post by Marlon Sanders where he said that any anchor text on ezine articles would only count once.......you said earlier..... "loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick."

      so do you also feel that aside from traffic you are not getting any extra punch by writing a ton of articles for ezine articles using the same anchor text?
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    • Profile picture of the author medway
      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      Hey Terry,

      I read a post by Marlon Sanders where he said that any anchor text on ezine articles would only count once.......you said earlier..... "loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick."

      so do you also feel that aside from traffic you are not getting any extra punch by writing a ton of articles for ezine articles using the same anchor text?
      I noticed this on a new domain the other day. The second anchor didn't show up in SEO Spyglass or Yahoo. In that case both were going to the same url.

      One anomoly I noticed in yahoo/seotoolbar was that on the main domain url it shows 3 backlinks for the domain and 3 for that page. So 3 total for the site.

      Yet when I go to one of the inner pages that was linked to one of the ezine articles it now shows 3 links to domain and 1 to that page.

      If I then go to another inner page it shows again 3 total for domain and 1 for that inner page.

      So although its reporting 3 total links to the domain, if you add them up on a page per page basis its actually 5.

      4 of these links are coming from 2 ezine articles so perhaps yahoo consolidates them as being 'similar' which then throws off the reporting.
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      • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
        Terry,

        Some are saying that your backlink packages along with the other popular packages are dead for new sites. Interesting discussion going on here.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...dead-gone.html


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        • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
          Originally Posted by kevin campbelle View Post

          Terry,

          Some are saying that your backlink packages along with the other popular packages are dead for new sites. Interesting discussion going on here.

          http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...dead-gone.html


          Kevin.
          Don't worry. There have been naysayers ever since Angela first released her packets.

          They work, and they work well. This thread is one of many that proves it.

          As someone else has said, I'll stop believing the effectiveness of these profile links when all the viagra type sites are suddenly not ranking well anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author janicejan
    As far as I can see, this thread is very lively, maybe I need to purchase this ebook too or else I maybe left out with the newest information. Thanks for helping us Terry~
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug D
    "But one indisputable fact that has come up (which contradicts my recommendations) is using exact anchor text. I am checking high-ranking site after site after site and most of those have relatively few exact keyword anchor text backlinks (some have almost 50% of their backlinks as unanchored links i.e. images)!"

    Terry,
    Ya, I think the bottom line is that a high authority, high trust site...simply doesn't require as many links, and/or as many anchor text links to get to the top, for a given keyword.
    For one...often times...they wield enough power to simply use anchor text in their internal pages to get to page 1. Depending on whether using spyglass(and how you have the settings), Yahoo or some other software, one may not be seeing all of their internal links, which could be plentiful, both in qty. and anchor text.

    My experience has been that I may have to get 10x the links that big-ins have. And ya...I look at Amazon's or Target's anchor text, and they usually don't have much of the good stuff.

    For me...being a moderately "trusted", "authority" site...I go straight after my anchor text keywords for my backlinks. I'm at a point where I get natural links anyway...that are not my anchor text, so I end up with a natural looking blend in the end.

    I do believe it is crucial for us non-big-ins to go after the anchor text. I've gone from page 10 to #3 on page 1 over the last 3-ish weeks...for a keyword that has 1.5mill exact, and is at around $1.00 in adwords. I absolutely attribute it to hammering 100's of anchor text backlinks at that page.

    Also, I think you mentioned spyglass being great for assessing competition? I've been using it for about 6 months, and it is great for drilling down, but there is something much more efficient for assessing competition, and I imagine that you are already using it, or are at least familiar with it - M.S.

    Just my two cents

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    • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
      Originally Posted by Doug D View Post


      Also, I think you mentioned spyglass being great for assessing competition? I've been using it for about 6 months, and it is great for drilling down, but there is something much more efficient for assessing competition, and I imagine that you are already using it, or are at least familiar with it - M.S.

      Just my two cents

      Doug

      Hi Doug--

      I think we were talking about using seo spyglass for competition spying (and monitoring our own sites) and getting loads of good backlink sources. It really isn't supposed to take the place of something like Market Samurai for the purpose of assessing competition (which I also have and use daily).
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Hey Terry,
    I'm glad you found Spyglass. I've been using it for a few months with great success. What I'm really happy about is that the ranking tool provides accurate results compared to many other programs. Anyhow on a side note, how many links are you adding when you create profiles? I've seen some companies in India post 100's of links but I highly doubt that all of them carry any weight if any to all the different websites. I can only find one anchor text link showing up for any post that I might have left 2-3 anchor text links. From this I'm guessing that in order for me to have more sites getting link juice from any profile site, I would have to create multiple profiles for each anchor text link. Your observations?
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug D
    "Tried the Demo of MS a while back but don't recall it giving anywhere near the info of Spyglass. Maybe it is now? "

    Nah, it's pretty much the same as when you tried it (most likely). I think if you revisit it..you might see what I'm referring to....

    In the "seo competition" module you can get a quick snapshot of various data points for the top ten, such as backlinks to page, page PR, domain PR, age, meta info etc.
    For me...the data that I'm interested in is right there in one little window. If I want to drill down and look at backlink PR, or backlink anchor text, you can do that with a couple clicks.
    After looking at well into the 4 digit qty. of k.w.'s in that module, I developed at rating system (which is in my head). I assign a number between 1 and 5, in 1/2 increments. A 1 is a walk n the park. A 5 is...forget about it..."I'm not going to spend $5000 to get 1000's of links to get to #1 for that keyword"

    I can now scour the numbers for a given k.w., and decide on the appropriate number (competition level) to assign that k.w., all in a matter of 10 or 15 seconds.

    Then I create my k.w. spreadsheet with exact s.v., competition level, and current rank. So, now when I'm brainstorming which k.w.'s I want to target next, I have the essential info. (at least for me)

    I have hundreds of k.w.'s for my one ecommerce site, but I only work on 2 to 6 at a time.

    I suppose I'm an anomaly here in the W.F., with one ecommerce site, and not a bunch of affiliate or adsense sites. So, perhaps my methods are not ideal for others, but for my purposes they have served me very well over the 8 or so months that I've been doing I.M.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    For some reason I thought forums would be treated differently than a site like ezine articles.
    But basically you are saying...unless I am writing an article to get traffic on its own, one article is all I need there to get a link for a keyphrase? And any future articles I write using that keyphrase will not give me any more brownie points with Google though they may rise in search engine on their own merits?

    "Yes that's my view on loads of links from the same site - not much help (unless you are using a different strategy to grab traffic WITHIN Ezinearticles, as many experienced article writers do)."

    Hmmm like what?

    Thanks sooooooo much!
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
    I stopped following this thread and just came back today. great stuff here
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  • Profile picture of the author freddy smith
    Hi Terry,
    may i get your opinion, Which one is best to get ranking and rank fast

    mykeyword.blogspot.com PR8

    squidoo.com/mykeyword PR7

    Or youtube video with mykeyword in title and mykeyword in discription and tag PR9

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    • Profile picture of the author jsanderz
      Hi,
      Out of curiosity which program gives you more (better, accurate) information, Market Samurai or Spyglass?
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Originally Posted by jsanderz View Post

        Hi,
        Out of curiosity which program gives you more (better, accurate) information, Market Samurai or Spyglass?
        Regards
        I've found Spyglass to pick up links that MS and Link Diagnosis miss.

        For backlink analysis I feel Spyglass has them all beat. It's the most comprehensive and from what I can tell accurate than the rest.

        MS just shows anchor and the url along with page rank, Spyglass shows so much more especially the important IP bit. Plus you can filter out information really easily.

        What's convenient about MS is that you can check the top 10 right in the same window when doing competition analysis on a particular keyword.

        For a general assessment that's a good start. For more in depth looks I'd enter those urls into Spyglass.
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        • Profile picture of the author BrentHodgson
          Originally Posted by medway View Post

          I've found Spyglass to pick up links that MS and Link Diagnosis miss.
          This surprises me. Last I checked, Spyglass and MS both used Yahoo for backlink counts.

          I'd be interested to see an example if you know of one.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
            Originally Posted by BrentHodgson View Post

            This surprises me. Last I checked, Spyglass and MS both used Yahoo for backlink counts.

            I'd be interested to see an example if you know of one.
            You must be talking about the free version of Spyglass which just pulls from Yahoo. I use MS also and I do believe they pull from Yahoo.

            The Pro Version pulls from Google, Google Blog, Yahoo, Alexa, All the Web, AltaVista, DogPile, Exalead and Excite, in the U.S. I haven't bothered to do much searching in the other country databases.

            Over all of my sites, Yahoo typically shows about 50% of the backlinks that showup in the entire database search (i.e., if yahoo shows 500 links, 1000 links showup in the full search).
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            • Profile picture of the author medway
              Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

              You must be talking about the free version of Spyglass which just pulls from Yahoo. I use MS also and I do believe they pull from Yahoo.

              The Pro Version pulls from Google, Google Blog, Yahoo, Alexa, All the Web, AltaVista, DogPile, Exalead and Excite, in the U.S. I haven't bothered to do much searching in the other country databases.

              Over all of my sites, Yahoo typically shows about 50% of the backlinks that showup in the entire database search (i.e., if yahoo shows 500 links, 1000 links showup in the full search).
              I'm using the free version of SPG as well so I'm not sure how it's pulling in extra links.

              Brent is involved with MS so I'm sure he'd know a bit more about that.
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              • Profile picture of the author DenRomano
                Thanks for the great work Terry!!

                Can someone tell me the purpose of both using "ping" sites and "RSS" sites like RSSbot?

                Is it just for getting indexed as I do not see how it can create backlinks
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                • Profile picture of the author Matt Gannon
                  How is the Experiment going, any updates coming?
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                • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                  Originally Posted by DenRomano View Post

                  Thanks for the great work Terry!!

                  Can someone tell me the purpose of both using "ping" sites and "RSS" sites like RSSbot?

                  Is it just for getting indexed as I do not see how it can create backlinks

                  Pinging basically alerts different sites around the world that a certain web page is new or has updated content. I.E., it is supposed to increase the likelihood and speed that that page will get crawled by the search engines.

                  RSS feeds is a way to syndicate the content of a webpage. Certain types of sites (blogs, for instance) typically have RSS feeds automatically created when you set up the site. Other sites/pages you can create rss feeds from "static" webpages using the html2rss tool at a place like feedage.com. A RSS feed will contain a link back to the site that the RSS feed is from. If the RSS feed is natural and not artificially created from a static blog, then the RSS feed is automatically updated when new a new page is added to your site.

                  So, if you have a Wordpress blog and you submitted an RSS feed to someplace, you don't need to resend your RSS feed as it automatically updates when you put up new content.

                  Now, when you have an RSS feed you can submit it to Rss aggregators. You can either do it manually yourself or automated through a program like RSS bot (which I have and highly recommend -- the price is right).

                  There are many rss aggregators, my favorites are:

                  millionrss.com
                  feedage.com
                  feedagg.com
                  feedburner.gogle.com
                  badrss.com


                  Now, if you have your own "Site X", you can submit the RSS feed from that site to these rss aggregators and get backlinks from this as you will have links back to your site in the RSS feeds.

                  What is really talked about in this thread though, is using RSS feeds to help google crawl/find your backlinks.

                  You do this by doing the following:
                  (1) package up your profile backlinks and create an RSS feed from them. You can do this through the bulk html2rss converter at feedage.com. Or, if you use Traffic Mystic's SEO Link Dominator for doing backlinks, his software semi-automates the RSS feed creation for you.

                  (2) you submit this new RSS feed to the various RSS aggregators.

                  By doing this you are adding backlinks to your profile backlinks and will increase the chance greatly that Google finds your backlinks and credits them to your main site.

                  Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug D
    Hey Terry,

    Regarding L.A.'s link value column - Nah, its not worth a ****...at least in my opinion.

    I had some correspondence with them months ago on it. They won't tell exactly how their coming up with their numbers. I'm sure with a little time...one could determine how they are arriving at the numbers.

    I can tell you this though...I tried to convince them to introduce the domain PR as a factor in the formula...to no avail. Their seo views are a bit archaic, in my opinion.

    For me - Their link value is worthless...as I believe they are ONLY using page PR, outbound links from page, and presumably some sort of dampening factor.

    All that said, the software is awesome, and allows for expedient removal of data(and/or bad links) that we don't necessarily care about, and allows us to consolidate the good stuff

    So, on that note...they get a grade A.
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    • Profile picture of the author medway
      Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

      Hey Terry,

      Regarding L.A.'s link value column - Nah, its not worth a ****...at least in my opinion.

      I had some correspondence with them months ago on it. They won't tell exactly how their coming up with their numbers. I'm sure with a little time...one could determine how they are arriving at the numbers.

      I can tell you this though...I tried to convince them to introduce the domain PR as a factor in the formula...to no avail. Their seo views are a bit archaic, in my opinion.

      For me - Their link value is worthless...as I believe they are ONLY using page PR, outbound links from page, and presumably some sort of dampening factor.

      All that said, the software is awesome, and allows for expedient removal of data(and/or bad links) that we don't necessarily care about, and allows us to consolidate the good stuff

      So, on that note...they get a grade A.
      It would be interesting to know if they count sidebar type links as powerful as in content links as those are supposed to be worth more.

      I'm not sure it's completely worthless though. Even if they are just using the page pr and outbound links that at least tells you something.
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Terry,

        Hi just read your SPG review. I think you are in error here though:

        [2] The "one-off" purchase price is actually a 6-month licence.

        The actual product comes with lifetime bug fixes and support. What is limited to 6 months is their optional 'Live Plan'

        Stay Updated: SEO SpyGlass Professional Live! Plan Extension Options


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        • Profile picture of the author jsanderz
          Hi,
          If we already have Market Samurai is it worth buying SEO Spyglass or just use the free version. Is SEO Spyglass worth the money?
          Regards.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
            OK, so I thought long and hard before passing this along, but figured what the hell. I could make one absolutely unbelievable WSO with the links I pull from this method.

            Note that there are costs involved, but to me it is absolutely worth it.

            Anyways, I use two pieces of software:

            (1) Scrapebox (too lazy to pull the link, it is a WSO in the WSO forum (simple search of "scrapebox" will find it. It isn't exactly cheap, but unbelievable powerful and quick.

            (2) SEO Spyglass. You may be able to use this functionality with the free version, but I have the paid version and can't tell.


            Scrapebox is this software that can do the following:
            (1) harvest URLs from Google, yahoo, bing and AOL searches. You are still limited to the search limits of the engines, but you can type in a large number of keywords to search for (outside of the keywords that you might use to find that particular platform). So, but searching all 4 databases and different keywords, you can get an awesome number of hits. It already tells you how to find wordpress, moveable type and blogengine.net blogs, but you can simply type in the relevant search string to find other platforms as well.

            (2) You can play around the harvested URLs. You can check the pagerank (has a proxy feature with a built-in list of proxies), you can trip the harvested URls to the root domain if y ou just want that, you can import a URL list and export the URL list (to .txt, .csv and .html formats).

            (3) It will automatically post comments for you on blogengine.net, wordpress and moveable type blogs that you had harvested.

            (4) It can submit RSS feeds to a large number of rss aggregators

            (5) It can mimic a blog asking for a trackback so you can get additional trackback backlinks.

            (6) It can mimic different browsers (using yoru proxy list) to get pings/reads of your pages, to artificially inflate page views. Not that I would ever inflate my numbers to my EZA articles, but, if you wanted to do that...

            Anyways, for profile-type backlinks.

            (a) I first harvest from all 4 search engines using as many keywords as I want, searching for particular platforms.

            (b) Then, I click a button that removes duplicate domains (which you will have a lot of, which is fine).

            (c) I then export the list of URLs to a txt file.


            Now, I load up SEO Spyglass. Under the File tab, at least in the paid option, there is a "new project -- expert options" item. I choose "Enter backlinks manually".

            I am going to use SEO Spyglass to get me all the data that I need on the sites. I could do this with SEO Quake addon in firefox, but this way is much much faster and more thorough.

            I type in any old URL as the main site, as that is irirelevant. Then, I cut and paste the URLs I harvested (from the exported .txt file) into SEO Spyglass.

            I then have it pull the (1) domain PR, (2) domain IP, and (3) Alexa rank for each site.

            I can then order it down by domain PR and check to confirm there is sufficient IP diversity as well. This is great for certain platforms that don't have a ton of IP diversity, but not all of the sites are on the same exact IP. I still might be able to get a good 20 different IP sites from a platform that is pretty non-IP diverse. I can simply pick the highest PR site from each domain IP.

            Anyways, In the course of 30 minutes today I used this method on a platform that I already use. I have about 70 sites that are my "go to" sites.

            Well, I was able to harvest 1300+ different sites.

            Of those:

            2 were PR 8 (including a new site)
            21 were PR 7
            83 were PR 6
            191 were PR 5

            If you want to go all the way down, there were 879 sites of PR3+. This is not even the obvious top couple of platforms with mega tons of sites). I am pretty sure I could find an endless stream of sites using this software.
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            • Profile picture of the author cmo140
              Since I am some what of a noob, I have a couple questions.

              With all the site you got today, what are you going to do with them?

              For your 70 sites that are your go to sites, What does that mean "your go to sites".

              Also what other software do you use?

              Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

              OK, so I thought long and hard before passing this along, but figured what the hell. I could make one absolutely unbelievable WSO with the links I pull from this method.

              Note that there are costs involved, but to me it is absolutely worth it.

              Anyways, I use two pieces of software:

              (1) Scrapebox (too lazy to pull the link, it is a WSO in the WSO forum (simple search of "scrapebox" will find it. It isn't exactly cheap, but unbelievable powerful and quick.

              (2) SEO Spyglass. You may be able to use this functionality with the free version, but I have the paid version and can't tell.


              Scrapebox is this software that can do the following:
              (1) harvest URLs from Google, yahoo, bing and AOL searches. You are still limited to the search limits of the engines, but you can type in a large number of keywords to search for (outside of the keywords that you might use to find that particular platform). So, but searching all 4 databases and different keywords, you can get an awesome number of hits. It already tells you how to find wordpress, moveable type and blogengine.net blogs, but you can simply type in the relevant search string to find other platforms as well.

              (2) You can play around the harvested URLs. You can check the pagerank (has a proxy feature with a built-in list of proxies), you can trip the harvested URls to the root domain if y ou just want that, you can import a URL list and export the URL list (to .txt, .csv and .html formats).

              (3) It will automatically post comments for you on blogengine.net, wordpress and moveable type blogs that you had harvested.

              (4) It can submit RSS feeds to a large number of rss aggregators

              (5) It can mimic a blog asking for a trackback so you can get additional trackback backlinks.

              (6) It can mimic different browsers (using yoru proxy list) to get pings/reads of your pages, to artificially inflate page views. Not that I would ever inflate my numbers to my EZA articles, but, if you wanted to do that...

              Anyways, for profile-type backlinks.

              (a) I first harvest from all 4 search engines using as many keywords as I want, searching for particular platforms.

              (b) Then, I click a button that removes duplicate domains (which you will have a lot of, which is fine).

              (c) I then export the list of URLs to a txt file.


              Now, I load up SEO Spyglass. Under the File tab, at least in the paid option, there is a "new project -- expert options" item. I choose "Enter backlinks manually".

              I am going to use SEO Spyglass to get me all the data that I need on the sites. I could do this with SEO Quake addon in firefox, but this way is much much faster and more thorough.

              I type in any old URL as the main site, as that is irirelevant. Then, I cut and paste the URLs I harvested (from the exported .txt file) into SEO Spyglass.

              I then have it pull the (1) domain PR, (2) domain IP, and (3) Alexa rank for each site.

              I can then order it down by domain PR and check to confirm there is sufficient IP diversity as well. This is great for certain platforms that don't have a ton of IP diversity, but not all of the sites are on the same exact IP. I still might be able to get a good 20 different IP sites from a platform that is pretty non-IP diverse. I can simply pick the highest PR site from each domain IP.

              Anyways, In the course of 30 minutes today I used this method on a platform that I already use. I have about 70 sites that are my "go to" sites.

              Well, I was able to harvest 1300+ different sites.

              Of those:

              2 were PR 8 (including a new site)
              21 were PR 7
              83 were PR 6
              191 were PR 5

              If you want to go all the way down, there were 879 sites of PR3+. This is not even the obvious top couple of platforms with mega tons of sites). I am pretty sure I could find an endless stream of sites using this software.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                (1) Since this thread is about profile backlinks, I will be going to these forums and putting my anchored links in my publicly-viewable profiles on these sites.

                (2) By "go to sites", I mean that if I have a new site and I want to get some backlinks fast,these are the 70 sites I go to first to put my backlinks in my profile.

                (3) For finding the links as I mentioned above, I used SEO Spyglass and Scrapebox, in conjunction with Terry Kyle's fabulous WSO. In terms of putting my link on the site, I use TrafficMystic's SEO Link Dominator.


                Originally Posted by cmo140 View Post

                Since I am some what of a noob, I have a couple questions.

                With all the site you got today, what are you going to do with them?

                For your 70 sites that are your go to sites, What does that mean "your go to sites".

                Also what other software do you use?
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

                  Hey Terry,

                  Regarding L.A.'s link value column - Nah, its not worth a ****...at least in my opinion.

                  I had some correspondence with them months ago on it. They won't tell exactly how their coming up with their numbers. I'm sure with a little time...one could determine how they are arriving at the numbers.

                  I can tell you this though...I tried to convince them to introduce the domain PR as a factor in the formula...to no avail. Their seo views are a bit archaic, in my opinion.

                  For me - Their link value is worthless...as I believe they are ONLY using page PR, outbound links from page, and presumably some sort of dampening factor.

                  All that said, the software is awesome, and allows for expedient removal of data(and/or bad links) that we don't necessarily care about, and allows us to consolidate the good stuff

                  So, on that note...they get a grade A.
                  Hi Doug,

                  Thanks for those thoughts on Spyglass's Link Value measure. It is all hypothetical of course and my own approach to IM is to use the 'best bits' of several different tools. Spyglass does have many very useful bits as you say.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by vitalgirl View Post

                    Ref Buzzle, I used to use them, and you could put a link in your resource box. That was when they still accepted content that wasn't only published there (ie. it used to behave more like a normal article directory, but now the content has to be created especially for there. That's when I stopped using it :-)
                    Hi Vitalgirl,

                    I have actually been to Townsville a few times - small world, huh?

                    Buzzle also seem to have a 4-week delay in approving new authors. It looks like Articlesbase and thefreelibrary.com are a lot more valuable right now from an IM perspective.

                    Thanks for the input VG.
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  • Profile picture of the author rgenterprise
    Very interesting experiment. Read the thread a couple weeks ago and glad I found it again. Even though the whole point was to get backlinks to rank in the search engines, should you not have made more from social bookmarking and other places you built these backlinks? I actually find it quite depressing after all the work you did to get so little in return monetarily speaking. I saw the CB stats but just for the record can you say how much you made in total for this experiment?
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Gannon
    cmo140, I think he means his go to sites for dropping backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author khim316
    Thanks for sharing.
    Will be following this thread to see the result.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by medway View Post

      Terry,

      Hi just read your SPG review. I think you are in error here though:

      [2] The "one-off" purchase price is actually a 6-month licence.

      The actual product comes with lifetime bug fixes and support. What is limited to 6 months is their optional 'Live Plan'

      Stay Updated: SEO SpyGlass Professional Live! Plan Extension Options


      Jesse
      Thanks for the clarification J. That makes it much better value.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by jsanderz View Post

        Hi,
        If we already have Market Samurai is it worth buying SEO Spyglass or just use the free version. Is SEO Spyglass worth the money?
        Regards.
        Hi JSanderz,

        Hopefully you read the first part of my analysis of Spyglass - it's not perfect but what tool is? You can get a lot of the functionality of Spyglass on the free version so make sure that you have a good play with it before committing the $$$.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

          OK, so I thought long and hard before passing this along, but figured what the hell. I could make one absolutely unbelievable WSO with the links I pull from this method.

          Note that there are costs involved, but to me it is absolutely worth it.

          Anyways, I use two pieces of software:

          (1) Scrapebox (too lazy to pull the link, it is a WSO in the WSO forum (simple search of "scrapebox" will find it. It isn't exactly cheap, but unbelievable powerful and quick.

          (2) SEO Spyglass. You may be able to use this functionality with the free version, but I have the paid version and can't tell.


          Scrapebox is this software that can do the following:
          (1) harvest URLs from Google, yahoo, bing and AOL searches. You are still limited to the search limits of the engines, but you can type in a large number of keywords to search for (outside of the keywords that you might use to find that particular platform). So, but searching all 4 databases and different keywords, you can get an awesome number of hits. It already tells you how to find wordpress, moveable type and blogengine.net blogs, but you can simply type in the relevant search string to find other platforms as well.

          (2) You can play around the harvested URLs. You can check the pagerank (has a proxy feature with a built-in list of proxies), you can trip the harvested URls to the root domain if y ou just want that, you can import a URL list and export the URL list (to .txt, .csv and .html formats).

          (3) It will automatically post comments for you on blogengine.net, wordpress and moveable type blogs that you had harvested.

          (4) It can submit RSS feeds to a large number of rss aggregators

          (5) It can mimic a blog asking for a trackback so you can get additional trackback backlinks.

          (6) It can mimic different browsers (using yoru proxy list) to get pings/reads of your pages, to artificially inflate page views. Not that I would ever inflate my numbers to my EZA articles, but, if you wanted to do that...

          Anyways, for profile-type backlinks.

          (a) I first harvest from all 4 search engines using as many keywords as I want, searching for particular platforms.

          (b) Then, I click a button that removes duplicate domains (which you will have a lot of, which is fine).

          (c) I then export the list of URLs to a txt file.


          Now, I load up SEO Spyglass. Under the File tab, at least in the paid option, there is a "new project -- expert options" item. I choose "Enter backlinks manually".

          I am going to use SEO Spyglass to get me all the data that I need on the sites. I could do this with SEO Quake addon in firefox, but this way is much much faster and more thorough.

          I type in any old URL as the main site, as that is irirelevant. Then, I cut and paste the URLs I harvested (from the exported .txt file) into SEO Spyglass.

          I then have it pull the (1) domain PR, (2) domain IP, and (3) Alexa rank for each site.

          I can then order it down by domain PR and check to confirm there is sufficient IP diversity as well. This is great for certain platforms that don't have a ton of IP diversity, but not all of the sites are on the same exact IP. I still might be able to get a good 20 different IP sites from a platform that is pretty non-IP diverse. I can simply pick the highest PR site from each domain IP.

          Anyways, In the course of 30 minutes today I used this method on a platform that I already use. I have about 70 sites that are my "go to" sites.

          Well, I was able to harvest 1300+ different sites.

          Of those:

          2 were PR 8 (including a new site)
          21 were PR 7
          83 were PR 6
          191 were PR 5

          If you want to go all the way down, there were 879 sites of PR3+. This is not even the obvious top couple of platforms with mega tons of sites). I am pretty sure I could find an endless stream of sites using this software.
          Brilliant share Tom - top of the class!

          What I particularly like here is the zeroing in on the most valuable handful of links.

          Can you imagine building a Power List of your own ultra-high value backlinks sites (over time) of 1000+ that you give to your outsourcer whenever you have a new site that you want to rank - now that's a prime IM business asset!
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Interesting read on the backlink builder program you sent via email. I also found that WSO in the War Room and was thinking about giving that a whirl. I purchased the bookmarking demon today and am playing with that before trying out a new program. I'd like to know more about your results first.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      Interesting read on the backlink builder program you sent via email. I also found that WSO in the War Room and was thinking about giving that a whirl. I purchased the bookmarking demon today and am playing with that before trying out a new program. I'd like to know more about your results first.
      Hey Bruce,

      I'm sure that you will be hearing more about that program in the coming weeks and months. The method I outlined takes a while to set up (doesn't anything good?) but theoretically should help a lot. I'll report back on it when my BB network is up and running.

      Originally Posted by Matt Gannon View Post

      How is the Experiment going, any updates coming?
      You bet Matt. My next post in fact.

      Originally Posted by rgenterprise View Post

      Very interesting experiment. Read the thread a couple weeks ago and glad I found it again. Even though the whole point was to get backlinks to rank in the search engines, should you not have made more from social bookmarking and other places you built these backlinks? I actually find it quite depressing after all the work you did to get so little in return monetarily speaking. I saw the CB stats but just for the record can you say how much you made in total for this experiment?
      All coming here RG!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Experiment update - finally! Kinda obvious that I have typical Internet Marketers ADD/ADHD...Oh well.

        OK, let's recap:

        On September 17 this year (2009), I began an experiment with initially three brand new GoArticles and one new WP blog (that I hosted on Hostgator).

        My intention was to test 4 different methods for achieving Google organic rankings.

        Here are the URLs and Keywords for each term:

        [1] GoArticle 1: Yeast Infection Home Remedy
        Yeast Infection Home Remedy?: GoArticles.com

        I used ordinary backlinks from Angela. PJ and my own WSO here and between September 17 and November 17, built around 50 links each week through an outsourcer on Elance.com.

        [2] GoArticle 2: How To Get Rid Of A Yeast Infection
        Challenge: GoArticles.com

        For Article 2, I used only relevant links - as per LSI advocates.

        [3] GoArticle 3: Recurring Yeast Infections
        Challenge: GoArticles.com

        With Article 3, this was powered by link wheels (more like clusters as they weren't laterally linked to each other) created using SENuke Pro.

        [4] WP Site: Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection
        Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection

        This site had one inner blog post linked through Ken Fry's Social Bookmarking 101 system where one member social bookmarks other members' sites and they do the same in return.

        I also ran another test on a new Articlesbase article in the same niche using Warrior Steve Morgan's SLS "Simple leveraging system":

        Causes of Yeast Infections
        Causes of Yeast Infections?

        By around November 17 (2 months into the test, or 60 days), Article 1 had peaked at #3 on Page 1 for its term (made a sale) then fell back to the top of Page 3 where it stayed until about November 17.

        Article 2, with its highly relevant backlinks, couldn't get indexed for the first month and didn't penetrate the top 10 pages of Google for its keyword during the 60 days of the 'official' part of the experiment.

        Article 2 had the same number of backlinks built in the same niche as Article 1 and roughly comparable competition but went exactly nowhere (then, anyway - stay tuned).

        Article 3 peaked at #4 on Page 1, also made a sale while up there and then sank back to Pages 3 and 4. It is currently outside Page 10 of Google.

        Test 4 has never penetrated the top 10 pages of Google for its term. Other Warriors have had success with SB101 and SENuke but I haven't been able to replicate that success here.

        Steve Morgan's SLS-powered Articlesbase article was into the top 10 on Page 1 within a couple of weeks and has stayed there around #8 - #10. No sales reported from that article but it's too far down the page to get sufficient traffic yet.

        Also, when I devised the experiment, I went into a niche that I knew nothing about, had never worked in before (and I work in quite a few!) and would be starting from scratch on.

        However, the experiment seemed to coincide with a light Google semi-slap on new GoArticles though I have ones created earlier in 2009 that are ranking very well.

        When the experiment 'officially' ended around November 17, I began to employ my usual backlinking methods.

        I'll deal with all the CB stats in another post in the next couple of days but let's take a look at the current positions on those articles:

        Article 1:


        Article 2:


        Article 3/Test 4 WP site:
        Nowhere!

        Articlesbase article test:



        For me, it confirms the importance of sticking with what works but the experiment - however unscientific - did settle some important questions for me.

        I'll keep adding in updated results on these sites and will analyse the CB stats in detail soon and offer more thoughts on these varied results too.

        Hopefully all the topics, software programs and screen pics have been useful to you too on our journey together!
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    Looks like Article 2 and ArticleBase wins (though no sale yet) hope you'll update us on which site sticks over the longer term also
    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

    however unscientific - did settle some important questions for me.
    - may I ask if you could perhaps expound ...

    Great journey, a shot of brandy to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    I am not sure if this has come up before but your experiment must be taken in context as there are too many variables (which you seem aware of). It would have been a lot more valuable if you tried to rank for the same keyword phrase. How do your articles compare for the term "Yeast Infection"? This is the only common phrase between the sites for you to compare and may give a better idea by comparing them against the same competition.
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    • Profile picture of the author cdhartpence
      One of the best threads I've come across....this is awesome stuff!

      -=Vel=-
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      • Profile picture of the author cdhartpence
        By the way, I wanted to add the following:

        I am a long time member of a (PR5) discussion forum, where I have 8664 posts. I've not posted there in ~6 months, so my posts aren't "in the public eye" any more.

        A few months ago, I had a brand new site. The ONLY link work I did was to put the URL in my sig, and when Google last did their PR-recalculation, my new site surged to PR3 (from n/a). I think this is the "main" benefit of having multiple backlinks from a single IP. Their impact might get diluted from a SERP perspective, but in aggregate, they seem to have an impact on PR, which helps in other (direct and indirect) ways.

        Anyway, again...GREAT thread!

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        • Profile picture of the author badcow
          Originally Posted by cdhartpence View Post

          By the way, I wanted to add the following:

          I am a long time member of a (PR5) discussion forum, where I have 8664 posts. I've not posted there in ~6 months, so my posts aren't "in the public eye" any more.

          A few months ago, I had a brand new site. The ONLY link work I did was to put the URL in my sig, and when Google last did their PR-recalculation, my new site surged to PR3 (from n/a). I think this is the "main" benefit of having multiple backlinks from a single IP. Their impact might get diluted from a SERP perspective, but in aggregate, they seem to have an impact on PR, which helps in other (direct and indirect) ways.

          Anyway, again...GREAT thread!

          -=Vel=-
          Now that is very interesting... I understand Terry's point about IP diversity (and I can't argue it because I'm a total newbie)... but your mini-experiment would seem to indicate that there must be a magic number of backlinks from a single IP that equate to some Google love. I wonder what that magic number is. 8K+ posts is a lot of backlinks!!

          Thanks for sharing!
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          Originally Posted by cdhartpence View Post

          By the way, I wanted to add the following:

          I am a long time member of a (PR5) discussion forum, where I have 8664 posts. I've not posted there in ~6 months, so my posts aren't "in the public eye" any more.

          A few months ago, I had a brand new site. The ONLY link work I did was to put the URL in my sig, and when Google last did their PR-recalculation, my new site surged to PR3 (from n/a). I think this is the "main" benefit of having multiple backlinks from a single IP. Their impact might get diluted from a SERP perspective, but in aggregate, they seem to have an impact on PR, which helps in other (direct and indirect) ways.

          Anyway, again...GREAT thread!

          -=Vel=-
          I am going to test this! Thanks for the idea!!!:p
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          • Profile picture of the author medway
            Thanks for the update on the test Terry.

            One thing I did notice is that for 'how to get rid of a yeast infection" there are two articles ranking on page 1 with no backlinks at all.

            They are both a bit older than your page but makes me wonder if all those links are really worth the time, it seems you've got about 680 showing in yahoo explorer.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            About a week and a half ago, I bought a sig link in about 18,000 posts across 4 different forums, some OK PR, others low.

            The effect was to move my Backlinks site from about #10 on Page 1/#11 on Page 2 up to about #5 or #6 e.g.



            However, I did NOT link directly to the site. The links all pointed to an ArticlesBase article that had links in it to that Money Site. That way, I avoided any penalty (if there is such a thing) by using a 'buffer' or 'Pumper' site.

            As discussed above - thanks cdhartpence (Vel)! - there are certain benefits to using forum sig links in different ways and by constantly experimenting, cool loopholes or tactics emerge.

            Hope that share helps you!
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Hi Jesse,

              I'll run those through SEO Spyglass as it picks up a lot more backlinks than other tools.

              In terms of organic results, is there anything else except backlinking to rank?
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              • Profile picture of the author medway
                Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                Hi Jesse,

                I'll run those through SEO Spyglass as it picks up a lot more backlinks than other tools.

                In terms of organic results, is there anything else except backlinking to rank?
                I noticed on one of the ezine ones even though seobook toolbar is showing 0 yahoo links when I click that option to go to the actual yahoo explorer about 15 show up.

                The articlesbase one still shows 0 though.

                Well I'm sure you agree there are other factors ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author badcow
    Terry - I value your ADD or ADHD because I've learned a lot from you in a very short time! Thanks! Your posts here on WarriorForum were inspirational enough for me to buy your backlink product/methodology, and I'm now implementing it a little more each day. It can be quite time consuming and I can see why I'd want to outsource it someday... especially the more niches I go into.... But I just wanted to say thanks to you (I can't PM or email you, so I have to say thanks here). THANKS!
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    It's amazing to see that Angela's article is ranking higher than your money site. I'm not bashing you in any way so I hope you didn't take it like that. Have you investigated her article site to see what she is doing yet? From what I'm seeing she has well over 250,000 links pointing to that article. Way more than her main domain site. Her main domain site has only around 4 thousand. I'm guessing she knew this secret all the time and never shared that bit of information. False advertising her links to be the primary reason for her securing the #1 position for her name on Google. With over a quarter million links from an article site with only one link on the article to pump up her site, no wonder she is #1. I just wish she would invest some money or time to create nicer looking sites. Anyhow without this observation from you Terry I would have never thought of this approach. Bravo.

    Any how by looking at her back links on that article it's like downloading a few years worth of WSO packets. Oops did I spill some beans? Go ahead and hit thanks if you though that was helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      You must be looking at something like backlinks into goarticles.

      Even in SEO Spyglass I see only 3,843 backlinks going to Angela's article.

      On the other hand, there are 903 backlinks for Terry's entire domain.

      I'm not sure why you would think Terry's domain would outrank Angela's article based upon those numbers.



      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      It's amazing to see that Angela's article is ranking higher than your money site. I'm not bashing you in any way so I hope you didn't take it like that. Have you investigated her article site to see what she is doing yet? From what I'm seeing she has well over 250,000 links pointing to that article. Way more than her main domain site. Her main domain site has only around 4 thousand. I'm guessing she knew this secret all the time and never shared that bit of information. False advertising her links to be the primary reason for her securing the #1 position for her name on Google. With over a quarter million links from an article site with only one link on the article to pump up her site, no wonder she is #1. I just wish she would invest some money or time to create nicer looking sites. Anyhow without this observation from you Terry I would have never thought of this approach. Bravo.

      Any how by looking at her back links on that article it's like downloading a few years worth of WSO packets. Oops did I spill some beans? Go ahead and hit thanks if you though that was helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug D
      Your looking at the wrong number, chief. She only has a couple thousand backlinks to her article. Your looking at the backlink # for Goarticles.com



      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      It's amazing to see that Angela's article is ranking higher than your money site. I'm not bashing you in any way so I hope you didn't take it like that. Have you investigated her article site to see what she is doing yet? From what I'm seeing she has well over 250,000 links pointing to that article. Way more than her main domain site. Her main domain site has only around 4 thousand. I'm guessing she knew this secret all the time and never shared that bit of information. False advertising her links to be the primary reason for her securing the #1 position for her name on Google. With over a quarter million links from an article site with only one link on the article to pump up her site, no wonder she is #1. I just wish she would invest some money or time to create nicer looking sites. Anyhow without this observation from you Terry I would have never thought of this approach. Bravo.

      Any how by looking at her back links on that article it's like downloading a few years worth of WSO packets. Oops did I spill some beans? Go ahead and hit thanks if you though that was helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    It's amazing to see that Angela's article is ranking higher than your money site.
    I have Terry at #6 which ain't too shabby. I don't know the history of his site, it's age or how long he has been trying to rank the site but he is in the think of things. Last I checked he was hovering around #8 - 15 so he is moving up.

    Angela's article was posted on Sep 30, 2008 so she did have a little bit of a head start.

    I suspect he'll jump up a few more spots as more backlinks are discovered... I'm sure he has more than the 500ish backllinks backlinkwatch is showing at the moment.

    From what I'm seeing she has well over 250,000 links pointing to that article.
    I think the tool you are using may be seeing total links to goarticles, not her article alone.

    250,000 backlinks... that would be a waste of backlinks for something like selling backlink packs when that many backlinks would have you ranking very well for many big money keywords.

    False advertising her links to be the primary reason for her securing the #1 position for her name on Google.
    It's a dirty little secret but anybody who looks at her backlinks can clearly see that they are not all from her packs. There is a good deal of blog commenting and other 2.0 sites in the mix.

    Oh well, enough bashing for today. I'm busy tearing apart Terry's work to make heads or tails of his methods, results and trying to figure out though my thick head what worked best. You can't judge based on rank alone since the keywords are not identical for each article/site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post


      It's a dirty little secret but anybody who looks at her backlinks can clearly see that they are not all from her packs. There is a good deal of blog commenting and other 2.0 sites in the mix.
      If you only needed to add 20 backlinks to get something to rank, then that's one thing. But anything that needs 1000+ backlinks to rank well, one would have to be pretty dense to only get backlinks from one type of source
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      • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        If you only needed to add 20 backlinks to get something to rank, then that's one thing. But anything that needs 1000+ backlinks to rank well, one would have to be pretty dense to only get backlinks from one type of source

        She has provided an excellent source to help our sites rank well. She hasn't every tied anyones hands behind there back and forced anyone to buy from her. I agree with you. She isn't stupid by any means. She uses her packs as well as other systems to rank well. We should all use multiple methods. As Terry has proven, you have to hit tuff keywords with everything you have in your arsenal.
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    • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      It's a dirty little secret but anybody who looks at her backlinks can clearly see that they are not all from her packs. There is a good deal of blog commenting and other 2.0 sites in the mix.
      Actually, alot of her early packets had lots of great sites to blog comment and web 2.0 properties to post content on but as more spammers got a hold of these, they ruined those types of sites so she quit getting those to put in the packet.

      That sucked bc she really was able to find some great authority do follow blogs. at one point there were over a 100 different sites just for blog commenting and i bet only a handful are even still worth it.
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      • Profile picture of the author kweblife1
        I just got my first package from Angela's Backlinks and didn't receive any sites for blog commenting. Most are forums. I'm giving it a try though to see how it plays out.
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    If you only needed to add 20 backlinks to get something to rank, then that's one thing. But anything that needs 1000+ backlinks to rank well, one would have to be pretty dense to only get backlinks from one type of source
    You are correct but you missed the point.

    Part of the sales pitch and hype for her backlink packs is that she reached that rank using those links alone which anyone who looks at her backlinks can see it is not true.

    The FTC would not approve

    It's a misleading claim when probably a third of her backlinks come from blog comment spamming. Perhaps those blogs are in some of her packs, I dunno.

    As Terry has proven, you have to hit tuff keywords with everything you have in your arsenal.
    I wouldn't consider 'backlinks' to be a tough keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Terry, would you be able to do a results comparison for the term "Yeast Infection" please? I really think that will give you a better idea of how the links went.
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  • Profile picture of the author dreamer111
    really good tips, it can be helpful for those who are struggling to make more out of their sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      It's amazing to see that Angela's article is ranking higher than your money site. I'm not bashing you in any way so I hope you didn't take it like that. Have you investigated her article site to see what she is doing yet? From what I'm seeing she has well over 250,000 links pointing to that article. Way more than her main domain site. Her main domain site has only around 4 thousand. I'm guessing she knew this secret all the time and never shared that bit of information. False advertising her links to be the primary reason for her securing the #1 position for her name on Google. With over a quarter million links from an article site with only one link on the article to pump up her site, no wonder she is #1. I just wish she would invest some money or time to create nicer looking sites. Anyhow without this observation from you Terry I would have never thought of this approach. Bravo.

      Any how by looking at her back links on that article it's like downloading a few years worth of WSO packets. Oops did I spill some beans? Go ahead and hit thanks if you though that was helpful.
      Hi Bruce - yes those 250,000 links are to GoArticles.

      Interestingly, I'm showing just over 6000 backlinks to her article in Spyglass which differs from some other results reported here.

      Also, if you recall, I completely changed my GoArticle on "how to deal with panic attacks". I expected a temporary drop in the SERPs but it remained at between #1 and #3, even when the new material appeared in the SERP snippet.

      Moral of the story? Don't be afraid to completely redraft a page that is ranking well - it's the backlinks keeping it there, not the configuration of on-page content.

      This fits with Andy Fletcher's friend Oz, whose recent SEO experiment supports the LACK of impact of on-page SEO compared to backlinks.

      On one other issue, in a couple of competitive niches I'm in - where I presume my competitors are continually backlinking - whenever I start varying my anchor text to look more 'natural', I start to sink down. When I blast exact-keyword-only backlinks with NO variation, I rise again.

      Interesting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

        Terry, would you be able to do a results comparison for the term "Yeast Infection" please? I really think that will give you a better idea of how the links went.
        Not sure exactly what you mean Fraggler - can you elaborate?

        Each article targets a specific keyword phrase in that niche. "Yeast Infections" is much more competitive.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

          Actually, alot of her early packets had lots of great sites to blog comment and web 2.0 properties to post content on but as more spammers got a hold of these, they ruined those types of sites so she quit getting those to put in the packet.

          That sucked bc she really was able to find some great authority do follow blogs. at one point there were over a 100 different sites just for blog commenting and i bet only a handful are even still worth it.
          Spot on - the early Angela reports had a lot of those in. I will be getting to your email shortly too Chris!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by medway View Post

            I noticed on one of the ezine ones even though seobook toolbar is showing 0 yahoo links when I click that option to go to the actual yahoo explorer about 15 show up.

            The articlesbase one still shows 0 though.

            Well I'm sure you agree there are other factors ;-)
            Hi Jesse,

            Check this out:

            In SEO for Firefox (from Yahoo Site Explorer, I believe), these are the Page 1 results from my (older) EZA competitors (obviously the GoArticle is mine):


            But let's take a look at the results from SEO Spyglass which draws links from a pretty wide variety of sources:

            Ezine Article 1 (the higher ranking one):


            Ezine Article 2:


            and mine was showing 668 backlinks in YSE BUT:



            Interesting, huh? When you see this, keywords that look vulnerable with YSE may not be as easy as first appears.

            Here, the quantity of my backlinks will hopefully soon overcome the older age of the sites above me.

            I'm still backlinking away!
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            • Profile picture of the author medway
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

              Hi Jesse,

              Check this out:

              In SEO for Firefox (from Yahoo Site Explorer, I believe), these are the Page 1 results from my (older) EZA competitors (obviously the GoArticle is mine):

              Interesting, huh? When you see this, keywords that look vulnerable with YSE may not be as easy as first appears.

              Here, the quantity of my backlinks will hopefully soon overcome the older age of the sites above me.

              I'm still backlinking away!
              Terry, Hi interesting, when I run these same urls into SPG it tells me the first two have no links. When I do a yahoo explorer using seobook toolbar on the ezine one I get about 18 links, goarticle still shows none.
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        • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Not sure exactly what you mean Fraggler - can you elaborate?

          Each article targets a specific keyword phrase in that niche. "Yeast Infections" is much more competitive.
          I know it is a lot more competitive but I am not trying to see if you got on page 1 or anything, it would be good to see you comparing the linking methods for the same term. The only term that is common between the articles is "Yeast Infection". The competition level would set a ceiling on the rank you can achieve but the better ranking method would still be returned higher in the results.

          Like you said, each article targets a different keyword phrase so each article has a different level of competition. It is hard to conclude that 1 method is better than the other when they are being compared against totally different things.

          A more (lot more) accurate experiment would have been if you compared ranking methods on different articles (hosted on the same article directory) with the same keyword phrase.
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    Not sure exactly what you mean Fraggler - can you elaborate?

    Each article targets a specific keyword phrase in that niche. "Yeast Infections" is much more competitive.
    I think what Fraggler was suggesting is that since each article targets a different keyword phrase it's hard to make a head to head comparison of the articles and results.

    If each article were targeting the exact same keyword phrase then we would have concrete results of what methods worked the best.

    By each article targeting different keyword variations in the yeast infections niche we can't make a definitive conclusion due to the differences in competition for each of the keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author medway
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      I think what Fraggler was suggesting is that since each article targets a different keyword phrase it's hard to make a head to head comparison of the articles and results.

      If each article were targeting the exact same keyword phrase then we would have concrete results of what methods worked the best.

      By each article targeting different keyword variations in the yeast infections niche we can't make a definitive conclusion due to the differences in competition for each of the keywords.
      I agree,I just noticed this and think it must sway the results.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Here was a great PM that I wanted to share (identity withheld):

        Dear Terry

        I am loving your seo experiment

        I have a couple of questions for you

        1)You recently said that having lots of links of one domain why make much of a difference like the warriorforum signature link test.

        Then how come you recently brought a sig link in about 18,000 posts across 4 different forums, wouldn't it have been enough to just to have brought a few posts across 4 different forums.

        2)How did you get article 1 and 2 to get high rankings after november 17th , was it using ur wso methods or other methods that maybe in a upcoming wso.

        Many Thanks
        "S"


        To which I replied:

        Hi S,

        Great questions.

        [1] I run experiments all the time to verify what I am doing and that experiment only cost me $19 so it was no biggie. You're spot on - this does go against my normal recommendations but testing is something I like to do an ongoing basis.

        [2] I used only my 'old' WSO methods. I do have an upcoming WSO (in partnership with another Warrior) but it isn't tactical.

        Hope that clarifies S.

        Best regards
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia View Post

          Do you think that pinging helps? Or social bookmarking? I'm sending you a pm now.
          Hope I answered that one PRM - let me know if I missed it. I do try to answer every message I get but occasionally miss one.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by marlon View Post

            Hi,

            I read an opinion from a person who has good seo results that it's quality over quantity of links by a mile.

            Which would mean that you need to spend time getting relatively few very high quality links vs. a large quantity.

            Of course, we'd all like to have very high quality backlinks at our beck and call. I'm just wondering what your take is on this since you seem to come down more on the quantity side of the issue.

            Best wishes,

            Marlon
            Hi Marlon,

            Chris gave plenty of good advice.

            The issue about what constitutes the highest quality type of link is open to debate though.

            Is a it a backlink on a homepage with a PR7? You can rent one of those for a hefty fee. But what if that homepage has literally hundreds of links? And why do so many #1 sites have a LOT of PR0 and PR- backlinks? And does relevancy matter? The rabbit hole can go pretty deep...

            SEO Spyglass tries to do its own "Link Value" assessment but this is pure speculation - as Doug has pointed out on this thread.

            When analysing what SEO is going on in the most competitive (and lucrative) niche keywords in the world, those sites with far more resources than you or I still generally go for backlink volume - usually with a capital V.

            Why?

            Because it's working for them and they haven't figured out the best few links on the Web to go for either (if you could even get a link in those places!). That's why they have hundreds of thousands/millions of backlinks instead of 17 (slight exaggeration but you get the point).
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by Randy Meirndorf View Post

              Hey Terry, just wanted to introduce myself. I've been following this tread for months, and really appreciate it. And I signed up for your backlinking newsletter, and cant believe you dont at least have some adsense on there. Your a hella stand up guy!

              For people not in the know, watch this guy. Because this is where IM is going. Relationship building. Not trying to squeeze a buck whenever you can(there is one born every minute). But genuinely trying to help others because you know the struggle and have been there, done that. Hats off to you Terry!!!!!!!!!!!!

              Thank-You,
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              Thank you Randy - welcome. Tomorrow I'll be doing a picture guide on using Backlink Booster to 'autoblogpost backlink your backlinks - Part 2' (what a mouthful) so hopefully that will be useful too for my subscribers like you.
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

                I know it is a lot more competitive but I am not trying to see if you got on page 1 or anything, it would be good to see you comparing the linking methods for the same term. The only term that is common between the articles is "Yeast Infection". The competition level would set a ceiling on the rank you can achieve but the better ranking method would still be returned higher in the results.

                Like you said, each article targets a different keyword phrase so each article has a different level of competition. It is hard to conclude that 1 method is better than the other when they are being compared against totally different things.

                A more (lot more) accurate experiment would have been if you compared ranking methods on different articles (hosted on the same article directory) with the same keyword phrase.
                Originally Posted by medway View Post

                I agree,I just noticed this and think it must sway the results.
                Hi Jesse and Fraggler,

                When deciding on the parameters of the experiment a few months ago, one of the things I wanted to take into consideration was where each article and site would eventually end up.

                For this particular experiment, I didn't want them all crowding one SERP for one keyword, especially if that didn't turn out to be a very worthwhile buying phrase. Normally I do recommend clobbering a keyword Page 1 with a bunch of different Web 2.0 properties but only if that exact phrase is proving commercially worthwhile. For example, apart from my money site, I could use a prlog.org press release page, articlesbase article, YT video, squidoo lens, metacafe video (re-edited to different length than YT vid) etc.

                In this case, the competition strength and search volume was pretty comparable (covered in the first page or two of this thread) and my ambition is to drive each of them to the top. It was just a judgment call at the time. In fact, as I was setting it up, many different configurations and variations did become obvious and would also be pretty interesting.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by Jayson L View Post

                  Do you think the purchase of the 4 profiles with 18,000 links was a success then? If so, how do you even go about purchasing something like that?

                  Also, you had an experiement on page 8 or something like that where you purchased something like 12,000 links with a total of 10 tags for $100. Was that worth while? Hopefully, I just hired that guy to work on backlinking 7 keywords for me? He seems like a standup guy and I think it is going to help bigtime, just curious what your input is.

                  By the way, this thread has really helped so many people! You are an awesome guy and are helping more people then you could ever imagine!

                  Thanks,

                  Jayson L
                  Hi J,

                  Do you think the purchase of the 4 profiles with 18,000 links was a success then? If so, how do you even go about purchasing something like that?

                  It didn't seem to hurt that's for sure. However, when I've done it with one site e.g. Warrior Forum signature with hundreds of post, I got ZERO bounce. I'd love to share exactly how Jayson but if I did, that option would probably be closed off to me overnight through overuse. I hardly ever keep trade secrets - goes against my nature - but I'll have to take the fifth on that one bud! Sorry.

                  Also, you had an experiement on page 8 or something like that where you purchased something like 12,000 links with a total of 10 tags for $100. Was that worth while? Hopefully, I just hired that guy to work on backlinking 7 keywords for me? He seems like a standup guy and I think it is going to help bigtime, just curious what your input is.

                  Yep Steve Morgan and SLS. It got my Articlesbase article on to Page 1 faster than any other method tried in the first stage of the experiment. Steve's a good guy - he'll look after you.

                  By the way, this thread has really helped so many people! You are an awesome guy and are helping more people then you could ever imagine!

                  I have a pretty big imagination J! Seriously though, thank you.
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                  • Profile picture of the author netbizer
                    Been following this thread and have learned a lot. Thanks Terry and to all the guys with your wonderful input!!
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                        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

                        I feel like everybody is lost in the forest and can't see the trees. What was the primary purpose of this experiment - to see which back linking strategy works best. Works best at what? - at making money right? Is that not the ultimate end of all this colossal time spent writing articles and making backlinks?

                        After 60 days was any of the 3 articles or the 1 wordpress site making at least $100 a day?

                        Or was the ultimate purpose to garner more reader trust for future WSO's?
                        No, backlinks don't make money they just help pages rank. Making money is a whole separate issue.
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                            Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

                            If this whole experiment was about page ranking and not making money, then why did the 3 articles and 1 wordpress site even bother to link to CB products??
                            Well it's called the 'backlink experiment', sure he put some CB links on there while he was at it and did change around link position a bit to try and enhance sales.

                            But I'd say about 95% of this discussion has been about different ways to build links and their effectiveness with ranking.

                            Once you have stable rankings then you can start to worry about the sales process from there.

                            He did perhaps show an important point in choosing a good niche, I gather this one doesn't seem to lend itself well to making sales (unless maybe you had a lot more traffic than what these articles would produce).
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                      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
                        Wow Michael ...

                        15 pages of pretty darn good content ... and we're cynically thinking this is all just a intro to a wso? Have we all really gotten to that point of warrior distrust? Terry's spilled his guts pretty freely and openly and Im sure he's helped quite a few warriors to see the Forest ... and the trees.

                        Not only that he keeps coming back with more and more and more.

                        My vote is to give him the benefit of the doubt :-) ... ohhh about 12 pages ago LOL.

                        And who says $100 a day is the measure of ANYTHING? There's hundreds of warriors who'd be pleased with $10 a day and hundreds more who wouldn't give a 2nd glance at $100 a day ... as a measure... just to put a few things in context

                        Im rather sure the point of the experiment was to RANK. To test ways that will get "stuff" ranked. Thats what backlinks and articles do for your money sites. Ive never seen a backlink CONVERT. You? Article conversions are specious at best as well. I dont recall seeing much mention of adsense in any of terry's posts either - so ... Imma go with the title of the thread literally - Backlink Experiment. It didnt say $100 a day money making experiment.

                        Ultimately its about making money ... but making money online has several elements all in play at once, and you need them working in conjunction to "make $100 a day" or $25k a month or $3.67 a day.

                        Traffic & Conversion. In this experiment - Organic Traffic Generation is the focus.

                        You could have the best converting copy on earth but if nobody sees it whats the point? You could drive 1,000's of daily visitors to a POS landing page that 404's 50% of the time - whats the point in that?

                        In regards to colossal time spent - Terry has been shouting from the mountain tops in this thread about another key thing - in 1 word ...

                        "Outsource" [ if / when you can afford ]

                        I for one have found this thread valuable - ive picked up a few cool tips along the way, and applaud Terry for his dedication to seeing the experiment thru.

                        Thanks Terry - Merry Christmas to you and all warriors.

                        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

                        I feel like everybody is lost in the forest and can't see the trees. What was the primary purpose of this experiment - to see which back linking strategy works best. Works best at what? - at making money right? Is that not the ultimate end of all this colossal time spent writing articles and making backlinks?

                        After 60 days was any of the 3 articles or the 1 wordpress site making at least $100 a day?

                        Or was the ultimate purpose to garner more reader trust for future WSO's?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Doug D
                          I would have to agree with my friend, Steve, here.

                          I think it rather apparent that Terry spends an inordinate amount of time trying to help others...both in the forum, and through PM and email correspondence etc.

                          I don't think he has a self-serving bone in his body.

                          So, I 2nd Steve's thoughts on Terry and his motives.

                          So, thanks from me too, Terry, and a happy Kwanzaa to all



                          Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

                          Wow Michael ...

                          15 pages of pretty darn good content ... and we're cynically thinking this is all just a intro to a wso? Have we all really gotten to that point of warrior distrust? Terry's spilled his guts pretty freely and openly and Im sure he's helped quite a few warriors to see the Forest ... and the trees.

                          Not only that he keeps coming back with more and more and more.

                          My vote is to give him the benefit of the doubt :-) ... ohhh about 12 pages ago LOL.

                          And who says $100 a day is the measure of ANYTHING? There's hundreds of warriors who'd be pleased with $10 a day and hundreds more who wouldn't give a 2nd glance at $100 a day ... as a measure... just to put a few things in context

                          Im rather sure the point of the experiment was to RANK. To test ways that will get "stuff" ranked. Thats what backlinks and articles do for your money sites. Ive never seen a backlink CONVERT. You? Article conversions are specious at best as well. I dont recall seeing much mention of adsense in any of terry's posts either - so ... Imma go with the title of the thread literally - Backlink Experiment. It didnt say $100 a day money making experiment.

                          Ultimately its about making money ... but making money online has several elements all in play at once, and you need them working in conjunction to "make $100 a day" or $25k a month or $3.67 a day.

                          Traffic & Conversion. In this experiment - Organic Traffic Generation is the focus.

                          You could have the best converting copy on earth but if nobody sees it whats the point? You could drive 1,000's of daily visitors to a POS landing page that 404's 50% of the time - whats the point in that?

                          In regards to colossal time spent - Terry has been shouting from the mountain tops in this thread about another key thing - in 1 word ...

                          "Outsource" [ if / when you can afford ]

                          I for one have found this thread valuable - ive picked up a few cool tips along the way, and applaud Terry for his dedication to seeing the experiment thru.

                          Thanks Terry - Merry Christmas to you and all warriors.
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                            Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

                            Oh good God, why are we all dancing around the real issue. If there had been a lot of Clickbank sales as a result of this experiment do you think for one moment those sales would not have been used as a measure of success? Of course they would have. But since the CB sales from the 3 articles and the 1 wordpress site were dismal I guess we will just minimize that as irrelevant. How convenient.
                            Are you serious? Go back and read the original post in this thread.

                            What was the experiment about? The effectiveness of different backlinks in regards to search engine ranking positions. Where does that stipulate anything about money?

                            If this was an experiment about money, why would Terry have chosen a random niche that he has never been in before, nor had any interest in?

                            He wouldn't have! He would have chosen a niche that he has already made money in, and one that had been proven to be successful time and time again.

                            There was nothing in the original post that said something like, "Follow me along for 60 days while I make $10,000,000 on auto pilot!!"

                            Taken from the op;

                            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

                            this experiment is about building a stable, high, long-term rank for each article.
                            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

                            By the way, I have absolutely no interest in promoting one method over another and am only interested in what WORKS in this 'race' between the 3 articles and the new website.
                            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

                            I make no income predictions whatsoever but let's see how the race goes.
                            It's very clearly an SEO experiment and NOT a money making experiment.

                            Again, re-read the thread, because you're making yourself sound silly.

                            Honestly, if you can't see the value in this thread then you're delusional. Just, wow.
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  • I Terry. I know this is an age old question, but i want to ask it again as i can't find a working answer. How on earth do you get your profile pages indexed? I used philippine John's service about a month ago, and he rss feeds all the pages, and i've pinged them all, but out of 120 only 8 have been indexed. I had 140 done by somebody else 6 months ago and only 11 of those ever got indexed. There must be a more efficient way?
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      Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia View Post

      I Terry. I know this is an age old question, but i want to ask it again as i can't find a working answer. How on earth do you get your profile pages indexed? I used philippine John's service about a month ago, and he rss feeds all the pages, and i've pinged them all, but out of 120 only 8 have been indexed. I had 140 done by somebody else 6 months ago and only 11 of those ever got indexed. There must be a more efficient way?
      Hi PRM,

      Have you been trying Backlink Booster with my email autoblogpost twist as detailed for my list subscribers?

      As I go into in that BB analysis, I'm not a big fan of RSS, not even a small one in fact and I feel that Google likes blog posts much more than RSS feeds so where possible, use a service like feedmyinbox dot com to turn your feeds into actual blog posts on a bunch of Web 2.0 blogging platforms. The setup is tedious but is a one-off.

      I also do stuff like pasting my profile URLs (yep dozens and dozens of them at a time) into pastehtml.com and running that one page of profile links through SocialBot/Onlywire.

      I have also used my dot telegraph dot co dot uk and ladygaga dot com in the same way.

      Hope that helps!
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        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Hi PRM,

        Have you been trying Backlink Booster with my email autoblogpost twist as detailed for my list subscribers?

        As I go into in that BB analysis, I'm not a big fan of RSS, not even a small one in fact and I feel that Google likes blog posts much more than RSS feeds so where possible, use a service like feedmyinbox dot com to turn your feeds into actual blog posts on a bunch of Web 2.0 blogging platforms. The setup is tedious but is a one-off.

        I also do stuff like pasting my profile URLs (yep dozens and dozens of them at a time) into pastehtml.com and running that one page of profile links through SocialBot/Onlywire.

        I have also used my dot telegraph dot co dot uk and ladygaga dot com in the same way.

        Hope that helps!
        Hi Terry - I've got an indexing problem at the moment, and I'm going to try what you have suggested above to see if it helps.

        I had hundreds of profiles created and pinged via outsourcing, but I'd say less than 10% of those have actually been indexed by google (based on the google alerts that I setup for the domains).

        Going to give pastehtml.com a good workout...thanks for the advice!
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by Faded_again View Post

          Hi Terry - I've got an indexing problem at the moment, and I'm going to try what you have suggested above to see if it helps.

          I had hundreds of profiles created and pinged via outsourcing, but I'd say less than 10% of those have actually been indexed by google (based on the google alerts that I setup for the domains).

          Going to give pastehtml.com a good workout...thanks for the advice!
          Note that for whatever reason I don't get good results from google alerts. Scrapebox actually has a pretty sweet indexing function which seems pretty useful.

          As for indexing, if you are looking for a free option, I would try using ping.fm, and distribute your pings to at least the following list:

          twitter
          youare
          streetmavens
          posterous
          identi.ca
          livejournal
          xanga
          vox
          wordpress
          blogspot

          I have found Google picks up these sites and your posts on them very well. Backlinkbooster (which I use and love) helps automate the use of ping.fm (and adds in pinging and onlywire if you want it). but, i really think that the use of these ping.fm linked sites is what helps me the most.

          Tom
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  • I've no idea what any of those programmes are so i'll check them all out now. If anybody with all of those programmes wants to pm me, i'll happily pay you to get my pages indexed. How many or what percent do you usually get indexed after doing all of that Terry?
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia View Post

      I've no idea what any of those programmes are so i'll check them all out now. If anybody with all of those programmes wants to pm me, i'll happily pay you to get my pages indexed. How many or what percent do you usually get indexed after doing all of that Terry?
      Hi again PRM,

      Apart from Backlink Booster here, those are free websites. I can't put a figure on it but the results seem to benefit from those steps.

      To be honest PRM, I build so many backlinks to so many sites (through outsourcing of course), I would probably want to kill myself if I felt I had to check their indexing status. Slight exaggeration but you get the idea!

      The point you raise is a really interesting one though: is a crawled but unindexed profile page of backlinking value? We should never confuse crawling with indexing - two completely separate things.

      On the basis of a minor research project of mine, I'm going to say yes, unindexed but crawled links do definitely help.

      Let me explain.

      There are mechanisms on the web for building literally hundreds of thousands or even millions of backlinks a year. I go into this in my WSO. However, the REPORTED backlinks are not permanent and only occasionally appear on pages during certain refreshes/reloads.

      Yet YSE and Google SEEM to reward these temporary backlinks in their overall link volume.

      Also, more importantly, when I checked a bunch of a random site's profile page backlinks in SEO Spyglass just now, those pages are NOT indexed but are being REPORTED. That site IS doing well in the SERPs.

      Bottom line? Do what you can to help your backlinks get indexed but don't agonize over it and keep building quality links in volume to your sites.

      Your sites will eventually see the SERP benefit.
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  • Do you think that pinging helps? Or social bookmarking? I'm sending you a pm now.
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  • I can't send pm's. I don't have enough posts, even though i've sent them in the past? Anyway. Here's a technique i've picked up for by passing googles filter to see the real amount of indexed pages with my link on them. Type this into a google search. . therakebackmafia. - www .therakebackmafia .com . . Obviously with your own sites and without the gaps in the url. What do you think? It seems to work.
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  • So google yeast infection and see where the articles are. He's put screen shots of them up earlier so they'll be easy for you to identify.
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  • Profile picture of the author marlon
    Hi,

    I read an opinion from a person who has good seo results that it's quality over quantity of links by a mile.

    Which would mean that you need to spend time getting relatively few very high quality links vs. a large quantity.

    Of course, we'd all like to have very high quality backlinks at our beck and call. I'm just wondering what your take is on this since you seem to come down more on the quantity side of the issue.

    Best wishes,

    Marlon
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    • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
      Hey Marlon,

      That is spot on, guys like jerry west, dan theiss, leslie rhode and others guys i respect will say the same thing that its quality over quantity.

      And i know from my own results that i am outranking alot of people that have waaaayy more links than i do.

      now this doesnt mean i still dont get lower quality links bc they are easy to get and i also use these lower quality of links to build my link reputation and when i get a very high quality links, say on a PR8 forum, i wont use keyword anchor text, ill just link my name. i want the link to sick!! and then use lower quality sites to build up the link reputation.

      Chris

      Originally Posted by marlon View Post

      Hi,

      I read an opinion from a person who has good seo results that it's quality over quantity of links by a mile.

      Which would mean that you need to spend time getting relatively few very high quality links vs. a large quantity.

      Of course, we'd all like to have very high quality backlinks at our beck and call. I'm just wondering what your take is on this since you seem to come down more on the quantity side of the issue.

      Best wishes,

      Marlon
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

        Hey Marlon,

        That is spot on, guys like jerry west, dan theiss, leslie rhode and others guys i respect will say the same thing that its quality over quantity.

        And i know from my own results that i am outranking alot of people that have waaaayy more links than i do.

        now this doesnt mean i still dont get lower quality links bc they are easy to get and i also use these lower quality of links to build my link reputation and when i get a very high quality links, say on a PR8 forum, i wont use keyword anchor text, ill just link my name. i want the link to sick!! and then use lower quality sites to build up the link reputation.

        Chris

        After analyzing these pages though SPG I would tend to agree. Once you filter out the nofollow and non indexed pages that the links are coming from I usually end up with only a small number of links that look like they are making a difference. In some cases it's only about 5% of the total number shown that seem to actually be doing anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Meirndorf
    Hey Terry, just wanted to introduce myself. I've been following this tread for months, and really appreciate it. And I signed up for your backlinking newsletter, and cant believe you dont at least have some adsense on there. Your a hella stand up guy!

    For people not in the know, watch this guy. Because this is where IM is going. Relationship building. Not trying to squeeze a buck whenever you can(there is one born every minute). But genuinely trying to help others because you know the struggle and have been there, done that. Hats off to you Terry!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank-You,
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  • Profile picture of the author badcow
    Terry - first, thanks for the Backlinks Blackbelt product. I'm a newbie and reading/learning so I can take action, and your information is exploding my brain! Next, as I'm beginning to build backlinks with forum profiles I have a question... how many backlinks should I put on each forum profile? In other words do I reduce the power of the high PR if I have 15 different keywords and sites that I'm backlinking? If so, I will assume the tactic is to create a few profiles on the same forum each with a handful of keywords and backlinks. Is this correct thinking on my part?
    - Again thanks for all your brain power on this subject!

    EDIT: just re-read your Backlinks Blackbelt report again and caught where you said "limit your anchored links to 2-3 max" for a while before testing out more links. See I told you my brain was exploding! It's just sooooo much information to digest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
    Do you think the purchase of the 4 profiles with 18,000 links was a success then? If so, how do you even go about purchasing something like that?

    Also, you had an experiement on page 8 or something like that where you purchased something like 12,000 links with a total of 10 tags for $100. Was that worth while? Hopefully, I just hired that guy to work on backlinking 7 keywords for me? He seems like a standup guy and I think it is going to help bigtime, just curious what your input is.

    By the way, this thread has really helped so many people! You are an awesome guy and are helping more people then you could ever imagine!

    Thanks,

    Jayson L
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  • Profile picture of the author jtormey
    Articles are for backlinks only unless you can get ranked high enough with a keyword that drives buying traffic to your website. Then you need to write a good enough article to get them to read the thing and click to your site, or in the case of GoArticles.com, the affiliate site.

    I'm Platinum and ezinearticles.com and it's a pain in the rear to get very much traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author daria19
    Tomorrow I'll be doing a picture guide on using Backlink Booster to 'autoblogpost backlink your backlinks - Part 2' (what a mouthful) so hopefully that will be useful too for my subscribers like you.
    I'm looking forward to your next installment of Backlink Booster tips. Thanks for all your hard work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      OK, some really important posts to respond to here but first Sam Carson kindly allowed me to make this email from him and my response public. Remember, these are just my thoughts and opinions based on my own journey and we all have to make our own way:

      Hi Terry

      ...Below are details of my 2 sites

      1). Best Registry Cleaner - Scan your Computer Free PR 3 Alexa - 309,400

      I created this wordpress blog a couple of years back. All the content on the site is unique. Since the last 2 weeks I stopped adding content, instead I am getting it free from UAW Plug-in. I am not sure what the impact of having outbound links on this content affects my site. Please let me know and I will stop this service if it does more harm than good.

      I just checked my awstats, Total Unique Visitors in Nov is 3010 and Dec so far is 1481. I got only 89 sales in all of 2009, an average of $200 income per month. I am attaching a spreadsheet from Revenuewire that shows the details of which page bagged a sale.

      2). Self Improvement PR 1

      This XSitePro review site has around 40 Clickbank products, I did not promote it much, got around 5 sales.

      I know some people build very tightly focused niche sites based on one product. I believe in authority sites with a lot of content so google does not deem it a thin affiliate site. Maybe I am wrong. Please let me know if I should go ahead with this site or just dump it and go for single product sites or a theme site based on one category.

      3). Make Money At Home by Learning Internet Marketing With Videos

      I figured it is better to sell an IM product since there are so many people wanting to work from home or generate a second income, I purchased some IM PLR Videos and hired a designer to do the graphics. This is a brand new site and I did not promote it so far.

      My goal is to generate around $3,000 a month so it can supplement my wife's income.

      I am confused. Should I go ahead promoting above three sites?

      Thanks a lot

      Sam


      Hiya Sam,

      The stated and implied issues here are relevant to every single Internet Marketer at some point in their journey.

      Before I get down to your sites specifically, I want to outline my prescription for IM (and possibly general business) success:

      If you've heard my interview with Andy Fletcher, one of the things we discussed in that (fun) 2-hour marathon was the turning point from not doing well to making real progress. From memory, Andy's turnaround moment was really grasping the power of outsourcing - James Schramko goes into this in his helpful interview with Alex Gilberg here.

      For me, it was different. For me, it was really asking myself if I was being ambitious enough. The answer was an unavoidable NO.

      Many successful people argue that if you have the right mindset, the tactics (the 'how') will occur naturally. I've always been a bit of a new tactic 'junkie' thinking that this was how success could be achieved (regardless of how success is measured - it's a little different for everyone).

      Then I was watching that 3-way interview here between Frank Kern, John Reese and Tony Robbins and Tony said something like, it takes guts to really go for a great vision of your life and most people hide behind cynicism, scepticism and negativity as a mask for their cowardice. This was powerful - to me anyway - and even though I've done some outrageously ambitious things in life, I was being too safe and too timid in my IM projects.

      Let me come back to more on that in a moment...

      Now I also believe that you have to find the right (IM) business that fits with your own natural personality. That's why certain types of IM are just not for me - CPA, article marketing (where you write hundreds of articles), offline 'gold' (though I do have some offline clients by accident - drats!) etc. Yet for other IMers, they love those types of business models and I genuinely wish them well.

      But apart from finding the right IM business model, I believe it is also important to flow with where success is leading you - provided that it isn't incompatible with your natural personality. When I was doing ebooks on writing competitions for fellow writers in 1998, I had no idea that I would eventually be immersed in the world of backlinks and backlinking in 2009 - no idea whatsoever. Now I do have many many other non-SEO/backlinks sites and income sources but backlinking seems like where I'm sort of meant to be.

      And from January onwards, in partnership with another Warrior, I'll be in it WAY WAY more than I am now - you'll see what I mean.

      Part of what has created some success for me is (hopefully) following these principles:

      - Being willing to go out, try bold things, approach others theoretically higher up the food chain, be vulnerable, engage in debates (politely) and help as many people as possible. Use platforms like blogtalkradio, podcasting, forums (naturally) etc. Become 'THE guy' (or one of them) in your sub-niche. Don't just do what everybody else is doing - shake it up and try unusual things - Shoemoney does very well from this approach.

      Think of it like this: the internet is like a (free) broadcasting medium like radio or TV except that in fact you are 'narrowcasting' or engaged in a dialogue with people more or less like you. The freedom that gives us is extraordinary and unprecedented - IF fear, laziness and/or self-doubt don't sabotage us!

      - I try (but sometimes fail) to answer every single PM and email I get personally (I know what it's like to get ignored too!);

      - I refund instantly when requested to and without any argument - my reputation is worth FAR more than the puny dollar amount involved;

      - I hardly ever promote affiliate offers (and don't ever do that with my list subscribers - feel free to sign up here ) because I know what it's like to get flooded with emails about the same product near launch day from a bunch of different marketers;

      - I genuinely get a kick out of helping people and hopefully that comes through in what I do and if I don't know something, I'll happily admit it every time;

      - Building relationships with other Internet Marketers for the long-term almost as business partners rather than clients/customers;

      - Understanding that we were once all raw noobies who didn't know anything about anything and not letting some experience or commercial success foster any arrogance or condescension - ever;

      - Avoiding personal slanging matches and sticking only with the issues in any debate;

      - Maintaining a consistent tone across all communications (for example, some individuals have an aggressive posture in their normal posting but are super-nice when trying to sell something);

      - Do NOT view any 'rival' as a rival. What? Other operators in your niche are potential partners, not competitors. Most niche devotees buy from everybody so work together - guys like Pagan, Kern and Reese worked this out a long time ago;

      - Recognising that while we all work very hard and (hopefully) diligently on our IM projects, we are not ER doctors saving lives so a sense of perspective, humour and priority is essential;

      - Being committed to the long-term journey of developing knowledge and skills within a particular area, possibly a niche within a niche e.g. backlinking WITHIN SEO WITHIN IM; being an expert/content aggregator in advising mothers concerned about their obese children (weight loss sub-niche); helping Eastern Europeans set up businesses in Britain (immigration+small business); helping disabled women facing menopause etc etc (these were all off the top of my head so send me a check for 25% of all the money you make from those!).

      For me, like Salsa, Thai cooking and rollerblading, Internet Marketing is something I plan to be doing for the rest of my life so my discipline in learning about, for example, the ins and outs of backlinking, is pretty strong. Hopefully, the Internet Marketers that use my products or services now will still be doing so in 10 years (just as I will be using the products and services of people I like doing business with and get great value from now in 10 years also). In that context, refunds or the rare unpleasant individual are insignificant in comparison with the proverbial 'big picture'.

      - Developing a mindset of 'gap-spotting' in your chosen niches. It has literally never been easier in human history to create and publish your own commercial products than it is right now - you almost don't even need a computer such is cheap/free technology now. Make valuable e-products filling gaps in your niche and you will be amazed at the results and each one will give you so much more confidence to do the next one and the next.

      Among all the products that I promote, my own products (e.g. my books on Amazon, report on Clickbank) make 10x+ the money I make promoting other people's stuff. In my view, if you aren't making your own products, you will struggle to do well in the short to medium term (in the long term, you may have the knowledge, skills and mindset to be a 'super affiliate').

      These are all principles that can be transplanted into any (IM) business and help it build momentum and grow - for the long term.

      I've yammered on about MINDSET a LOT there Sam because I feel that our websites (like the tidiness of our bedrooms/homes) are outer reflections of our INNER mindset and emotional state.

      With your sites, it is important to know exactly which keyword you have mainly gone after with each one - was it the domain name keywords.

      In a way, cutting through all of the info overload and technobabble clutter, all we need in IM is simple: a single sales page that turns enough visitors into buyers to make the exercise worthwhile (or visitors into list subscribers for later selling).

      Once you have that precious asset, you can then drive traffic to it from so many sources - sources OUTSIDE AdWords (Adbrite etc), banners or threads on relevant forums, blogroll links on popular relevant blogs etc. Obviously the metrics and profitablity need to be constantly monitored but that's normal.

      This site - Best Registry Cleaner - Scan your Computer Free - looks like a normal kind of conduit site Chris Rempel style and may only need traffic either through backlinking for organic traffic or paid traffic. Here, researching your competitors is vital in terms of your backlinking campaigns or the more expensive option is PPC (but look beyond Google). I make money in this niche but I don't know if it will necessarily meet your income goals. I do OK on the keyword Windows XP Registry Repair so you may want to use that one. Just send me the usual 25% check of all your earnings .

      Now this site - Self Improvement - is the weakest of the three. It has no hook, no focus 'above the fold' and has a fairly bland, corporate generic look. If you are serious about building a great self improvement authority site, there is a lot of great content out there that you could freely aggregate. If you check around on the heavyweight self improvement websites (Dr Phil, Tony Robbins, Deepak Chopra etc) and look for ideas, you should get plenty. If you were into self-help, would that site excite you? Again Sam, what keywords are you after? And how competitive are those terms? If you get stuck for for keyword ideas, use the Google Wonder Wheel - see my blog for full details.

      Site 3: Make Money At Home by Learning Internet Marketing With Videos

      This is nothing personal at all Sam because there is a lot of this in IM but when newish Internet Marketers try to sell products about making money online and they aren't making money online, I feel they are going down the wrong path (just my opinion). It isn't authentic to you, looks like a lot of other make money online type sites and feels pretty generic. Now I know that a lot of the heavyweights in the MMO niche have similar-looking sites but they have a lot of other factors that have established their name as a brand.

      In fact, that's precisely what you should look to do: build your name, Sam Carson, as a brand in a particular niche. And if one niche sounds too limited, don't forget that most niches have a load of different keywords that you can attack. Again, let me reach into the cabinet once again for the broken record, keyword research and competitor analysis is EVERYTHING before leaping in. Once you do, promote it to death - backlink it, forum signature it on 19 different relevant forums, do some YouTube videos etc.

      Of course, my comments could/do look hypocritical because I am active in a bunch of niches - I bought a model boat kit Amazon Associates site the other day here on WF - but that is kind of separate to my main brand-building action (sort of a hobby site - yes I need to get a life!).

      James Schramko put it well in the video (linked above): just be a solution provider to a problem (and do it in a way that builds your name as a long-term brand synonymous with exceptional value for money and great service; pretty old-fashioned huh?).

      Hopefully Sam, I haven't been too rough on you here BUT nothing would please me more than to see you succeed SPECTACULARLY and you can post extra thoughts here or email me and we'll continue this dialogue until you get there.

      For now, if you can update us here on the keyword research or thinking behind these sites and we can all chip in with our thoughts.

      That must be be enough rambling from me for one night and hope that helps Sam!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by jtormey View Post

        Articles are for backlinks only unless you can get ranked high enough with a keyword that drives buying traffic to your website. Then you need to write a good enough article to get them to read the thing and click to your site, or in the case of GoArticles.com, the affiliate site.

        I'm Platinum and ezinearticles.com and it's a pain in the rear to get very much traffic.
        I sent a PM to you J which could help a lot on EZA.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        OK, some really important posts to respond to here but first Sam Carson kindly allowed me to make this email from him and my response public. Remember, these are just my thoughts and opinions based on my own journey and we all have to make our own way:

        Hi Terry

        ...Below are details of my 2 sites

        1). Best Registry Cleaner - Scan your Computer Free PR 3 Alexa - 309,400

        I created this wordpress blog a couple of years back. All the content on the site is unique. Since the last 2 weeks I stopped adding content, instead I am getting it free from UAW Plug-in. I am not sure what the impact of having outbound links on this content affects my site. Please let me know and I will stop this service if it does more harm than good.

        I just checked my awstats, Total Unique Visitors in Nov is 3010 and Dec so far is 1481. I got only 89 sales in all of 2009, an average of $200 income per month. I am attaching a spreadsheet from Revenuewire that shows the details of which page bagged a sale.

        2). Self Improvement PR 1

        This XSitePro review site has around 40 Clickbank products, I did not promote it much, got around 5 sales.

        I know some people build very tightly focused niche sites based on one product. I believe in authority sites with a lot of content so google does not deem it a thin affiliate site. Maybe I am wrong. Please let me know if I should go ahead with this site or just dump it and go for single product sites or a theme site based on one category.

        3). Make Money At Home by Learning Internet Marketing With Videos

        I figured it is better to sell an IM product since there are so many people wanting to work from home or generate a second income, I purchased some IM PLR Videos and hired a designer to do the graphics. This is a brand new site and I did not promote it so far.

        My goal is to generate around $3,000 a month so it can supplement my wife's income.

        I am confused. Should I go ahead promoting above three sites?

        Thanks a lot

        Sam


        Hiya Sam,

        The stated and implied issues here are relevant to every single Internet Marketer at some point in their journey.

        Before I get down to your sites specifically, I want to outline my prescription for IM (and possibly general business) success:

        If you've heard my interview with Andy Fletcher, one of the things we discussed in that (fun) 2-hour marathon was the turning point from not doing well to making real progress. From memory, Andy's turnaround moment was really grasping the power of outsourcing - James Schramko goes into this in his helpful interview with Alex Gilberg here.

        For me, it was different. For me, it was really asking myself if I was being ambitious enough. The answer was an unavoidable NO.

        Many successful people argue that if you have the right mindset, the tactics (the 'how') will occur naturally. I've always been a bit of a new tactic 'junkie' thinking that this was how success could be achieved (regardless of how success is measured - it's a little different for everyone).

        Then I was watching that 3-way interview here between Frank Kern, John Reese and Tony Robbins and Tony said something like, it takes guts to really go for a great vision of your life and most people hide behind cynicism, scepticism and negativity as a mask for their cowardice. This was powerful - to me anyway - and even though I've done some outrageously ambitious things in life, I was being too safe and too timid in my IM projects.

        Let me come back to more on that in a moment...

        Now I also believe that you have to find the right (IM) business that fits with your own natural personality. That's why certain types of IM are just not for me - CPA, article marketing (where you write hundreds of articles), offline 'gold' (though I do have some offline clients by accident - drats!) etc. Yet for other IMers, they love those types of business models and I genuinely wish them well.

        But apart from finding the right IM business model, I believe it is also important to flow with where success is leading you - provided that it isn't incompatible with your natural personality. When I was doing ebooks on writing competitions for fellow writers in 1998, I had no idea that I would eventually be immersed in the world of backlinks and backlinking in 2009 - no idea whatsoever. Now I do have many many other non-SEO/backlinks sites and income sources but backlinking seems like where I'm sort of meant to be.

        And from January onwards, in partnership with another Warrior, I'll be in it WAY WAY more than I am now - you'll see what I mean.

        Part of what has created some success for me is (hopefully) following these principles:

        - Being willing to go out, try bold things, approach others theoretically higher up the food chain, be vulnerable, engage in debates (politely) and help as many people as possible. Use platforms like blogtalkradio, podcasting, forums (naturally) etc. Become 'THE guy' (or one of them) in your sub-niche. Don't just do what everybody else is doing - shake it up and try unusual things - Shoemoney does very well from this approach.

        Think of it like this: the internet is like a (free) broadcasting medium like radio or TV except that in fact you are 'narrowcasting' or engaged in a dialogue with people more or less like you. The freedom that gives us is extraordinary and unprecedented - IF fear, laziness and/or self-doubt don't sabotage us!

        - I try (but sometimes fail) to answer every single PM and email I get personally (I know what it's like to get ignored too!);

        - I refund instantly when requested to and without any argument - my reputation is worth FAR more than the puny dollar amount involved;

        - I hardly ever promote affiliate offers (and don't ever do that with my list subscribers - feel free to sign up here ) because I know what it's like to get flooded with emails about the same product near launch day from a bunch of different marketers;

        - I genuinely get a kick out of helping people and hopefully that comes through in what I do and if I don't know something, I'll happily admit it every time;

        - Building relationships with other Internet Marketers for the long-term almost as business partners rather than clients/customers;

        - Understanding that we were once all raw noobies who didn't know anything about anything and not letting some experience or commercial success foster any arrogance or condescension - ever;

        - Avoiding personal slanging matches and sticking only with the issues in any debate;

        - Maintaining a consistent tone across all communications (for example, some individuals have an aggressive posture in their normal posting but are super-nice when trying to sell something);

        - Do NOT view any 'rival' as a rival. What? Other operators in your niche are potential partners, not competitors. Most niche devotees buy from everybody so work together - guys like Pagan, Kern and Reese worked this out a long time ago;

        - Recognising that while we all work very hard and (hopefully) diligently on our IM projects, we are not ER doctors saving lives so a sense of perspective, humour and priority is essential;

        - Being committed to the long-term journey of developing knowledge and skills within a particular area, possibly a niche within a niche e.g. backlinking WITHIN SEO WITHIN IM; being an expert/content aggregator in advising mothers concerned about their obese children (weight loss sub-niche); helping Eastern Europeans set up businesses in Britain (immigration+small business); helping disabled women facing menopause etc etc (these were all off the top of my head so send me a check for 25% of all the money you make from those!).

        For me, like Salsa, Thai cooking and rollerblading, Internet Marketing is something I plan to be doing for the rest of my life so my discipline in learning about, for example, the ins and outs of backlinking, is pretty strong. Hopefully, the Internet Marketers that use my products or services now will still be doing so in 10 years (just as I will be using the products and services of people I like doing business with and get great value from now in 10 years also). In that context, refunds or the rare unpleasant individual are insignificant in comparison with the proverbial 'big picture'.

        - Developing a mindset of 'gap-spotting' in your chosen niches. It has literally never been easier in human history to create and publish your own commercial products than it is right now - you almost don't even need a computer such is cheap/free technology now. Make valuable e-products filling gaps in your niche and you will be amazed at the results and each one will give you so much more confidence to do the next one and the next.

        Among all the products that I promote, my own products (e.g. my books on Amazon, report on Clickbank) make 10x+ the money I make promoting other people's stuff. In my view, if you aren't making your own products, you will struggle to do well in the short to medium term (in the long term, you may have the knowledge, skills and mindset to be a 'super affiliate').

        These are all principles that can be transplanted into any (IM) business and help it build momentum and grow - for the long term.

        I've yammered on about MINDSET a LOT there Sam because I feel that our websites (like the tidiness of our bedrooms/homes) are outer reflections of our INNER mindset and emotional state.

        With your sites, it is important to know exactly which keyword you have mainly gone after with each one - was it the domain name keywords.

        In a way, cutting through all of the info overload and technobabble clutter, all we need in IM is simple: a single sales page that turns enough visitors into buyers to make the exercise worthwhile (or visitors into list subscribers for later selling).

        Once you have that precious asset, you can then drive traffic to it from so many sources - sources OUTSIDE AdWords (Adbrite etc), banners or threads on relevant forums, blogroll links on popular relevant blogs etc. Obviously the metrics and profitablity need to be constantly monitored but that's normal.

        This site - Best Registry Cleaner - Scan your Computer Free - looks like a normal kind of conduit site Chris Rempel style and may only need traffic either through backlinking for organic traffic or paid traffic. Here, researching your competitors is vital in terms of your backlinking campaigns or the more expensive option is PPC (but look beyond Google). I make money in this niche but I don't know if it will necessarily meet your income goals. I do OK on the keyword Windows XP Registry Repair so you may want to use that one. Just send me the usual 25% check of all your earnings .

        Now this site - Self Improvement - is the weakest of the three. It has no hook, no focus 'above the fold' and has a fairly bland, corporate generic look. If you are serious about building a great self improvement authority site, there is a lot of great content out there that you could freely aggregate. If you check around on the heavyweight self improvement websites (Dr Phil, Tony Robbins, Deepak Chopra etc) and look for ideas, you should get plenty. If you were into self-help, would that site excite you? Again Sam, what keywords are you after? And how competitive are those terms? If you get stuck for for keyword ideas, use the Google Wonder Wheel - see my blog for full details.

        Site 3: Make Money At Home by Learning Internet Marketing With Videos

        This is nothing personal at all Sam because there is a lot of this in IM but when newish Internet Marketers try to sell products about making money online and they aren't making money online, I feel they are going down the wrong path (just my opinion). It isn't authentic to you, looks like a lot of other make money online type sites and feels pretty generic. Now I know that a lot of the heavyweights in the MMO niche have similar-looking sites but they have a lot of other factors that have established their name as a brand.

        In fact, that's precisely what you should look to do: build your name, Sam Carson, as a brand in a particular niche. And if one niche sounds too limited, don't forget that most niches have a load of different keywords that you can attack. Again, let me reach into the cabinet once again for the broken record, keyword research and competitor analysis is EVERYTHING before leaping in. Once you do, promote it to death - backlink it, forum signature it on 19 different relevant forums, do some YouTube videos etc.

        Of course, my comments could/do look hypocritical because I am active in a bunch of niches - I bought a model boat kit Amazon Associates site the other day here on WF - but that is kind of separate to my main brand-building action (sort of a hobby site - yes I need to get a life!).

        James Schramko put it well in the video (linked above): just be a solution provider to a problem (and do it in a way that builds your name as a long-term brand synonymous with exceptional value for money and great service; pretty old-fashioned huh?).

        Hopefully Sam, I haven't been too rough on you here BUT nothing would please me more than to see you succeed SPECTACULARLY and you can post extra thoughts here or email me and we'll continue this dialogue until you get there.

        For now, if you can update us here on the keyword research or thinking behind these sites and we can all chip in with our thoughts.

        That must be be enough rambling from me for one night and hope that helps Sam!
        Terry, this is one of the most well thought out and genuine I posts that I have read on the WF. I like your style a lot and appreciate all you have offered. Best of luck ahead ... you deserve it!
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Good stuff Terry, I agree with making your own product. I've been putting off making one now that's part of my 'other' business that's my main source of income now as I've been spending time pursuing affiliate stuff.

        But I've realized I could cash in much quicker making my own product as so much of the groundwork has already been layed out and I've established myself as an authority in that niche for some time now. Problem was the IM stuff was 'new' so has kept my interest more at the moment, like you mentioned it's easy to become a technique/method junkie and get sidetracked.
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      • Profile picture of the author spirituscorpus
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Among all the products that I promote, my own products (e.g. my books on Amazon, report on Clickbank) make 10x+ the money I make promoting other people's stuff. In my view, if you aren't making your own products, you will struggle to do well in the short to medium term (in the long term, you may have the knowledge, skills and mindset to be a 'super affiliate').
        How do I join the Terry Kyle fan club ? Do you have badges with your photo on that I can wear :p

        I applaud you for your advice-this is truly a great thread but can I ask you a serious question ?

        In all honesty, do you think there's more money to be made from telling people how to make money than actually following your own principles for success ?

        It's a question that haunts me in every thing I do on IM as I recall somebody once asking on a TV documentary "which people made the quickest fortunes in the San Francisco Gold Rush from the last century ? " And the answer of course was the men who sold the shovels to all the prospectors.
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        • Profile picture of the author JBanis
          Its been a while since I was back on this thread, but i have to agree: Terry delivers a heck of a lot of great value and info. Its like he's just so "in to it" that he can't help himself :-) Kudos to you Terry.

          and yeah, that question about this selling of money making knowledge bothers me too. But the thing is...if it was anything else...overcoming panic, dealing with a breakup, or how to get the perfect golf swing...then it doesnt seem to matter so much. But somehow when it comes to the making money niche,it can trigger that guilt gland :-)

          I think its a mindset/belief issue...so basically I wouldn't worry too much about it as long as what you feel you have to say really helps people!

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    • Profile picture of the author dulcificum
      Hi Terry,

      Hope you don't mind answering a question from a new user. How profitable was this experiment? I've read through the whole thread and it seems you spent lots on tools and links. Your results summary post seems to say that you only actually made a couple of sales though for about $20.

      So over the 60 day experiment you spent $100s and only made $40? Or am I missing something?

      Thanks,
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    Wow..... Terry is really a good person that want to help out with more people...

    I can't imagine how much time and effort he spend writing that long reply
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      Best post ever! Keep it up Terry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Gannon
    Hey everyone SEO SpyGlass has a coupon code right now to save $20.10 I wrote about it Here on my Blog , there is a link in my blog post to the special coupon page and the code is also on the post! Merry X-mas everyone!!!

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    • Profile picture of the author TrafficMystic
      Originally Posted by Matt Gannon View Post

      Hey everyone SEO SpyGlass has a coupon code right now to save $20.10 I wrote about it Here on my Blog , there is a link in my blog post to the special coupon page and the code is also on the post! Merry X-mas everyone!!!

      Matthew Gannon
      Hi Matthew,

      A quick question.. I've been catching up on terry's thread and seo spyglass has been mentioned several times and something that interests me..

      I currently have 'seo elite', what does seo spy glass do that seo elite doesnt?

      Regards

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Gannon
        Originally Posted by TrafficMystic View Post

        Hi Matthew,

        A quick question.. I've been catching up on terry's thread and seo spyglass has been mentioned several times and something that interests me..

        I currently have 'seo elite', what does seo spy glass do that seo elite doesnt?

        Regards

        Steve
        While I never have used seo elite, I have heard that seo spyglass assign's each link a value, other than that I think that they are pretty similar, I have heard of some people getting more links with spyglass, but I don't own seo elite soo I can not confirm that!

        Just wanted to let everyone know about the special x-mas deal!

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      • Profile picture of the author veotis
        Originally Posted by TrafficMystic View Post

        Hi Matthew,

        A quick question.. I've been catching up on terry's thread and seo spyglass has been mentioned several times and something that interests me..

        I currently have 'seo elite', what does seo spy glass do that seo elite doesnt?

        Regards

        Steve
        I'm like you, Steve, I own SEO Elite and from what I've seen, there is no need for me to purchase SEO Spyglass at this time. If I didn't own either, I might would lean towards SEO Spyglass based solely on the price.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by veotis View Post

          I'm like you, Steve, I own SEO Elite and from what I've seen, there is no need for me to purchase SEO Spyglass at this time. If I didn't own either, I might would lean towards SEO Spyglass based solely on the price.

          Can you tell us what backlink search databases SEO Elite pulls from (or can pull from)? I have never used SEO Elite, so like a lot of the folks here, I can't compare SEO Spyglass unless I know more, which to me starts at the database level.

          Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author veotis
            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

            Can you tell us what backlink search databases SEO Elite pulls from (or can pull from)? I have never used SEO Elite, so like a lot of the folks here, I can't compare SEO Spyglass unless I know more, which to me starts at the database level.

            Tom
            I've attached a screen shot of SEO Elite, so you can see where you start at when checking back links:
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
              Originally Posted by veotis View Post

              I've attached a screen shot of SEO Elite, so you can see where you start at when checking back links:
              Thanks. From just looking at that list, it looks like like SEO Elite just looks at a few backlink search databases, and then gives you a few pieces of information on each backlink, but it doesn't look like it comes anywhere near the comprehensiveness of SEO Spyglass. Of interesting note, what is "Google PR"? Is that the page PR or the domain PR? It would be hard to only have access to one of these.

              You could literally search over 300 backlink databases if you want to, and then get pretty much any info on each link that you wanted to (directory listings, page title, anchor text, anchor link, page pr, domain pr, domain age, alexa rank, # of external links on the page, # of total links on the page). Since you can try SEO Spyglass for free, I would suggest giving it a spin.
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  • Profile picture of the author samcarson
    Wow thanks a lot Terry for the brilliant analysis. I have a lot of clarity now and understand the importance of keyword research and milking one site fully with all possible converting keywords and promotional methods. For my registry site I have a couple of converting keywords, however since this is a highly competitive niche it is a constant struggle to keep up with more and more backlinks.

    You wanted to know the thinking behind the sites. The registry niche was selected because of the high demand and the evergreen nature of the niche.

    Self Help - I totally screwed up here, just wrote unique reviews on CB products. My thinking was since google ranks pages and not sites, I wanted to create one site with 50 product reviews and saw the benefit of the whole site benefiting from promoting just a few pages

    Incomegator IM Videos - This is really not a make money niche. It teaches the basics of IM, I feel I am qualified to sell this since I am very comfortable with creating sites and blogs and basic promotion techniques. This product is geared for newbies entering IM.

    I really appreciate the time you put into this and more importantly for the time you saved me by teaching me on what areas to focus.

    I wish you and all the warriors a merry holiday season.

    Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author mountainrunner
      Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread- I've learned alot!

      Can someone please educate me as to whether straight html web address backlinks (xxxdotcom) to my site are of any use..?


      thank you for the help!
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      • Profile picture of the author turbohips
        Originally Posted by mountainrunner View Post

        Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread- I've learned alot!

        Can someone please educate me as to whether straight html web address backlinks (xxxdotcom) to my site are of any use..?


        thank you for the help!

        Yes they are still valuable to a certain extent. If you really want people to find you by your web address then certainly this is the best method. Now keep in mind that most people search the web for key words. It's really up to you on how you want to be found online.

        For my business it's very important to have both as I'm building up my brand name in my industry. The good thing about my main company is there aren't many other companies with similar names so ranking for it is fairly easy. My tough part is ranking for keywords that are really tough competition and require keywords back linked as anchor text everywhere. I hope the helps to explain a tad.
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  • Profile picture of the author ratracegrad
    Terry, thanks for all the good information. Great resource to share with everyone.

    My question is it appears you have spent way more money during these past couple of months on elance, backlinks, and virtual assistants than you made in sales with just 2 sales. For someone starting out with IM it appears this would be waste of time as you are spending more money than you are making. How do people go to making more money than they are spending.

    Thanks again for the great information.
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    I stopped following this thread and just came back today. This is great stuff here !!!
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  • Profile picture of the author badcow
    OK Terry, a newbie (me) has a newbie-like question... what is a simple backlinking strategy utilizing your approach? I've purchased your product and read it (my brain is still swimming trying to understand it all). Here's what I am doing right now as a result of learning from you:

    I have been building profiles on high PR forums targeting one keyword for my website(s). On the few forums that allow me to show more than one website, I go ahead and target a few keywords and sites. I then use Backlink Booster and boost those forum profiles. I also create a Pastehtml page with all my profiles (html formatted and linking to my keywords), and then use Ping.fm to post that information. I just started using rssforward.com and posting to my blogger site (which also has a news feed on it for some "fresh" but duplicate content).

    My question is this: ... What is the backlinking strategy a person needs to follow if they own several domains and are targeting multiple keywords for each domain? Do I go to my list of high PR forums and re-subscribe to each one - each time I need to backlink a new keyword (even it is for the same domain)? For example...

    Let's say I have built a list of 15 high PR forums where I have targeted the keyword "buy blue widgets" for my domain "the-best-blue-widgets.com". Now I want to target the keyword "stainless steel blue widget accessories" for my domain. Do I create a new account on all of my 15 forums, and target the new keyword? What do I do next time when I want to target the keyword "discount blue widgets" for an inner page on my domain? Will I end up with one account for EACH and EVERY keyword on EACH domain? If so... that seems overwhelming.

    Can you help set me on the straight and narrow? Thank you! ... also, just a big THANKS to you for all your input on this thread and on the Warrior Forum. You are a distinguished professor to me! Merry Christmas to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
    Terry:
    I notice that you have mentioned a couple of plugins for WP for making content "unique", content blender and wpunique. I was wondering if you have any suggestions as to when one is better than another etc..?

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Hi Terry,

    This has been a great thread and I have learned a lot!

    Could you share with us, how much we should pay to outsource for the links in your WSO?

    How much should 800 of these links cost?
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Hi, I'm on the road on holidays but will get back to Michael's points etc soon (when the plane lands in Belfast!)...

      Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

      Hi Terry,

      This has been a great thread and I have learned a lot!

      Could you share with us, how much we should pay to outsource for the links in your WSO?

      How much should 800 of these links cost?
      Shouldn't be more than $200 Jack - much less if you go with someone relatively new on elance.com (see my earlier post and pics in this thread on setting up and completing a job there).

      Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

      Terry:
      I notice that you have mentioned a couple of plugins for WP for making content "unique", content blender and wpunique. I was wondering if you have any suggestions as to when one is better than another etc..?

      Chris
      Hi Chris,

      WPUnique - I think - is much more up to date as Steven Fullman released a fresh update a week or two ago. I'd go with that one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by badcow View Post

        OK Terry, a newbie (me) has a newbie-like question... what is a simple backlinking strategy utilizing your approach? I've purchased your product and read it (my brain is still swimming trying to understand it all). Here's what I am doing right now as a result of learning from you:

        I have been building profiles on high PR forums targeting one keyword for my website(s). On the few forums that allow me to show more than one website, I go ahead and target a few keywords and sites. I then use Backlink Booster and boost those forum profiles. I also create a Pastehtml page with all my profiles (html formatted and linking to my keywords), and then use Ping.fm to post that information. I just started using rssforward.com and posting to my blogger site (which also has a news feed on it for some "fresh" but duplicate content).

        My question is this: ... What is the backlinking strategy a person needs to follow if they own several domains and are targeting multiple keywords for each domain? Do I go to my list of high PR forums and re-subscribe to each one - each time I need to backlink a new keyword (even it is for the same domain)? For example...

        Let's say I have built a list of 15 high PR forums where I have targeted the keyword "buy blue widgets" for my domain "the-best-blue-widgets.com". Now I want to target the keyword "stainless steel blue widget accessories" for my domain. Do I create a new account on all of my 15 forums, and target the new keyword? What do I do next time when I want to target the keyword "discount blue widgets" for an inner page on my domain? Will I end up with one account for EACH and EVERY keyword on EACH domain? If so... that seems overwhelming.

        Can you help set me on the straight and narrow? Thank you! ... also, just a big THANKS to you for all your input on this thread and on the Warrior Forum. You are a distinguished professor to me! Merry Christmas to you!
        Hi badcow,

        Merry Christmas to you too and thanks.

        The thing about forums, unlike social community sites like Billboard.com and ladygaga.com, is that the physical space for backlinks is limited - in a signature file (depending on the platform), you may only be able to get a maximum of 3 backlinks in there.

        So, in theory, if you have 15 high PR forums, that's a MAXIMUM of 45 'slots' for your backlinks. If you want more, that's where multiple accounts come in which can be sped up through a program like Steve Hawkins' Link Dominator or via outsourcing.

        If you rewind this thread to the Forum Clustering method discussed, you can get more links to your sites but probably not with your exact anchor text.

        The issue you raise is one that affects almost every Internet Marketer as our portfolios get too big and backlinking all of the sites gets harder. This is where outsourcing is essential - especially through investing some of the money you are getting from IM back into the business.

        That might all sound pretty bleak badcow BUT in my experience, high PR forums are pretty much the most effective kind of link going SERP-wise and (for me) article directory backlinks (I used to be a diagnosed Article Post Robot addict) were the LEAST effective.

        If you are targeting just 15 forums (probably not enough though that PR10 one in the older version of my WSO won't hurt! ), have an outsourcer go and create 10 accounts at each one (let them create the different GMail accounts, do the verification etc etc) so that you will have up to 450 'slots' for later use. I'd be amazed if that cost more than $100 on elance.

        Hope that helps BC!
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        • Profile picture of the author dbperry
          Terry,
          Just finished reading the entire 60 day backlink thread. Awesome. I have learned a ton.

          I joined your news letter and would like to know if there is any way to get back issues of this letter. You refer to it's contents numerous times in the thread and would like to get caught up.

          Again thanks for the info.

          -Dave Perry
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by dbperry View Post

            Terry,
            Just finished reading the entire 60 day backlink thread. Awesome. I have learned a ton.

            I joined your news letter and would like to know if there is any way to get back issues of this letter. You refer to it's contents numerous times in the thread and would like to get caught up.

            Again thanks for the info.

            -Dave Perry
            I'm in transit at the moment Dave but will get that to you in the next couple of days!
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            • Profile picture of the author dbperry
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

              I'm in transit at the moment Dave but will get that to you in the next couple of days!
              THanks for the quick response, but I found your site and now have the back copies of the newsletter.
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                I will get back you to soon Michael - I promise.

                At the moment I am travelling on the road through chilly Northern Ireland on holidays (in theory!) and my web time is severely limited plus I have tons of PMs and emails AND a big new backlinks service in the pipeline.

                There is more news to share on the ClickBank front but I want to do all that properly with pics and analysis...stay tuned.
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                • Profile picture of the author pons_saravanan
                  Hi Terry
                  I wish you have a happy holidays and a happy new year. I have a small question. After reading your success on back linking using forum profiles, I started doing registering in forums and leaving a signature.
                  I am exactly doing the following.
                  1) Search the Google using some filters like vBulletin +signature +viewprofile

                  2) Analyze the results for high PR links using SEO 4 firefox
                  3) Register on this forum
                  4) Enter the signature for my links
                  5) view my own profile and ensure the signature is rendered as expected
                  6) Grab the forum profile page URL
                  7) Ping them, do all stuff to get indexed.
                  8) Few hours or few days latter check the URL in Google to make sure the index is successful
                  Please advice, whether my current procedure is OK or needs improvement. Also advise on the steps where I can improve the process
                  Now the question is
                  How many days after indexed, we can expect the postive movement in SERPs?
                  Do you have any timeline? or Is it subjective for every pages/niches?
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        • Profile picture of the author badcow
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Hi badcow,

          Merry Christmas to you too and thanks.

          The thing about forums, unlike social community sites like Billboard.com and ladygaga.com, is that the physical space for backlinks is limited - in a signature file (depending on the platform), you may only be able to get a maximum of 3 backlinks in there.

          So, in theory, if you have 15 high PR forums, that's a MAXIMUM of 45 'slots' for your backlinks. If you want more, that's where multiple accounts come in which can be sped up through a program like Steve Hawkins' Link Dominator or via outsourcing.

          If you rewind this thread to the Forum Clustering method discussed, you can get more links to your sites but probably not with your exact anchor text.

          The issue you raise is one that affects almost every Internet Marketer as our portfolios get too big and backlinking all of the sites gets harder. This is where outsourcing is essential - especially through investing some of the money you are getting from IM back into the business.

          That might all sound pretty bleak badcow BUT in my experience, high PR forums are pretty much the most effective kind of link going SERP-wise and (for me) article directory backlinks (I used to be a diagnosed Article Post Robot addict) were the LEAST effective.

          If you are targeting just 15 forums (probably not enough though that PR10 one in the older version of my WSO won't hurt! ), have an outsourcer go and create 10 accounts at each one (let them create the different GMail accounts, do the verification etc etc) so that you will have up to 450 'slots' for later use. I'd be amazed if that cost more than $100 on elance.

          Hope that helps BC!
          Terry - most helpful indeed! Thank you so much - and Happy New Year wishes to you. I hope 2010 will be a ground breaking year for me in IM... following your backlinking strategies will certainly help... now I'm off to build backlinks.
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        • Profile picture of the author medway
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Hi badcow,



          That might all sound pretty bleak badcow BUT in my experience, high PR forums are pretty much the most effective kind of link going SERP-wise and (for me) article directory backlinks (I used to be a diagnosed Article Post Robot addict) were the LEAST effective.


          Hope that helps BC!
          Just to clarify you're saying sig links are effective but what about forum profile links. I know most of those seem to be without anchor text but Ive also seen you using symbols and punctuation on forum sigs.

          I assume though its anchored text in sigs thats the most useful?
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Pons,
    To answer your question, yes you are doing great to start. This thread went in many different directions and it was great because people are always looking for new or different approaches. The way you listed will work fine. Terry was exploring methods that were a tad more advanced to see if the results would improve over what you listed. Stick with what works and that would be exactly the way you have listed. There will always be new stuff such as link wheels, link pyramids, etc that are supposed to be better but if you spent the time building links the same old way instead of learning new ways you'll come out way ahead. I can honestly say that I've been studying link wheels for a while and right when I was getting ready to start some everyone started saying they are dead. What a waste of time. Instead I should have been building boring links to get proven results.
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    • Profile picture of the author pons_saravanan
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      Pons,
      To answer your question, yes you are doing great to start. This thread went in many different directions and it was great because people are always looking for new or different approaches. The way you listed will work fine. Terry was exploring methods that were a tad more advanced to see if the results would improve over what you listed. Stick with what works and that would be exactly the way you have listed. There will always be new stuff such as link wheels, link pyramids, etc that are supposed to be better but if you spent the time building links the same old way instead of learning new ways you'll come out way ahead. I can honestly say that I've been studying link wheels for a while and right when I was getting ready to start some everyone started saying they are dead. What a waste of time. Instead I should have been building boring links to get proven results.
      Hi

      Thank you for your kind response.

      As you have suggested, i wish to do the advanced backlinking when there is a stiffer competition.

      Just a small question.After indexing has been in place and i have verified by searching the backlink url in google. Right after this, when can i expect google's reaction on a possitive movement in SERPs?

      Thanks again
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      • Profile picture of the author netbizer
        This thread is truly very informative as it is valuable. Thanks Terry and happy new year Warriors!!!!
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    On the forum that I host, I delete profiles when I find time that show very little action such as last time they logged on, spam comments, spam profiles, moderator warnings, etc. I don't always have time to go through every profile but these things are very easy to spot. I'm sure out of the 1000's of profile links that I've made, 100's probably have been deleted. I'm not at all surprised to hear that has happened as I'm sure many here can say the same.
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        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        Well, he just created that sig link on 11-3-09 so I don't think it was for no action in a long time. Looks like it was singled out for some reason.
        sorry but, why delete a profile? wouldnt you just move on?
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    Most forum owners have pride in their stuff so they want to only have quality people contributing to the forum. The standard settings show when people haven't been active for the last two weeks. So if he wasn't active his account might have been deleted along with the rest of the people spamming links. I wash out accounts all the time like this so regulars don't have to deal with rift raft that comes through with bull questions or comments.
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      Big surprise - but not every forum wants to be linking out to nasty porn, phishing sites, etc. You may think your spam is benign - and it may be, but the spam link from the idiot after you is not. So the forum owner periodically removes everything questionable from inactive accounts.
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      • Profile picture of the author turbohips
        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        My sig links in postpunkkitchen are a lot older with no activity for a while and they are still there. How common would you say this is for profile and sig links? Do they have a short life then?

        Turbohips, you said you have 1000's of profile links. Do you revisit all those links periodically to keep your activity current on all those forums?

        I am still debating the value of profile and sig links. To date I only have about 30 or so. I am not sure if it is worth the time and effort yet, and I know backlinking packages are hot right now.

        Don't you think Google knows about "self-made" backlinks. By self-made backlinks I mean all types of links that can be dropped into a website by any person who happens on a Web 2.0 site. Natural links appear in the main body of a website's content, in an area accessible only to the site's owner and not every reader looking for a link back. Aren't these the links Google values?
        Well let's start with my own experience as everyone here is different. I do periodically have my staff check on the links that I build. I have an effective method that keeps the majority of my profiles active. I do not like web 2.0 site very much and never seemed to get much value from linking from those types of sites unless they are very popular sites. Again nobody can be certain as there is no true way to find all of your links. I've built a rediculas amount of web 2.0 profile accounts with many links and many of them do not appear anywhere in back link checking programs. I do however find most of my links coming from profiles made on forums and blogs. I don't see anything from RSS feeds or bookmarking site either. As for now I'm only sticking to forums and blogs as I see the most results from them so why not right? My methods are stupid simple and effective and that's what I'm sticking with for now. I do experiment with other approaches but haven't seen the amount of return as my standard ways. I hope that helps to explain what I do.

        Now back to Terry....
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        • Profile picture of the author jhess56
          Mind sharing your methods your talking about?

          Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

          Well let's start with my own experience as everyone here is different. I do periodically have my staff check on the links that I build. I have an effective method that keeps the majority of my profiles active. I do not like web 2.0 site very much and never seemed to get much value from linking from those types of sites unless they are very popular sites. Again nobody can be certain as there is no true way to find all of your links. I've built a rediculas amount of web 2.0 profile accounts with many links and many of them do not appear anywhere in back link checking programs. I do however find most of my links coming from profiles made on forums and blogs. I don't see anything from RSS feeds or bookmarking site either. As for now I'm only sticking to forums and blogs as I see the most results from them so why not right? My methods are stupid simple and effective and that's what I'm sticking with for now. I do experiment with other approaches but haven't seen the amount of return as my standard ways. I hope that helps to explain what I do.

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    The standard settings show when people haven't been active for the last two weeks.
    Hmmm... thanks for the insight.

    I've always thought it might be a good idea to install some of the free forum scrips for myself to get a better idea of how they work and see things from a mods point of view.

    After doing some recent forum experimentation that was caught in less than an hour I'm really curious about how the mods found me out so fast. Of course, I was testing this out on a very popular and moderated forum which might have something to do with it but there must be something I am not aware of that tipped them off.
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    FYI - We're in the midst of a PR update.
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      Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

      FYI - We're in the midst of a PR update.
      Yup, you are right. Google is doing a new years dance!

      Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Is pagerank something of real value or should it be completely ignored in favor SERP's page placement. Are they two completely different animals or are they connected?
    The are different. PR is essentially an accumulation of backlinks with PR. There are threads on it is you search around but it doesn't have a whole lot to do with your SE rankings.

    SE placement should always be your first priority.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caneman
    Hi Terry,

    Let's say I build up a power list of high pr forum profile pages.

    Do I continually rinse and repeat with this list for new sites that I am launching, or for older sites I want to give a boost?

    What is the best way to use the power list?

    Thanks, I have really enjoyed the BBBR!
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    • Profile picture of the author jsanderz
      Hi Terry,
      Happy New Year to you and all IM warriors.
      Just a quick question, I am wondering if you have used Magic Article Submitter and Magic Article Rewriter? I have read a couple of good and bad reviews. At the moment this software is on offer for $80, is it worth it?
      I do rewrite my own articles for various blogs etc from time to time, but I would like a quicker way of rewriting some of them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        I feel like everybody is lost in the forest and can't see the trees. What was the primary purpose of this experiment - to see which back linking strategy works best. Works best at what? - at making money right? Is that not the ultimate end of all this colossal time spent writing articles and making backlinks?

        After 60 days was any of the 3 articles or the 1 wordpress site making at least $100 a day?

        Or was the ultimate purpose to garner more reader trust for future WSO's?
        Hi Michael,

        I know other Warriors have responded to your post above but wanted to add my own thoughts.

        When originally designing the experiment, I had to consider exactly which Warrior sub-forum to stage the process in.

        For example, if I were looking closely at the mechanics of conversion, I would probably have opted for the Copywriting sub-forum. If I had devised the experiment as a kind of 'shoot-out' between different software programs and tools, that probably would have gone in the Product Reviews and Ratings section etc etc.

        However, my interest is in the backlinking side of SEO and examining different processes for achieving high rankings.

        Your post does nonetheless implicitly illustrate the fact that IM success involves SEVERAL components (something I believe I've stressed a number of terms): finding a buying keyword, creating a self-hosted/parasite property to generate an income from that, getting that site to rank highly (or ploughing PPC funds into it) and monitoring conversions. All of these involve an element of trial and error.

        At no point did I make any promises or guarantees about income generated though I did discuss later possible sales of sites/articles IF they were earning at a certain level.

        I know on my own IM journey that one of the most frustrating things was getting a site to rank well. Having a pretty good handle on that now, I did think that a detailed experiment of this type that also covered such things as live outsourcing would be of value to other Warriors.

        With the articles in this experiment, when they have briefly touched into the top 5 of Page 1, a sale usually resulted but getting the rank to stick has required more backlinking.

        If my primary purpose was simply to build trust for future WSOs, could I not have found a way that was far far less time intensive (I answer dozens of emails and PMs every day)? During the experiment, I have had one WSO running and if that were my only consideration, I would have probably had a bunch of others up too. This year I will launch a second WSO and with everything else I'm involved in, that will be more than enough for my workload. I've also invested a fair bit of my own money into outsourcing on this experiment that negates plenty of WSO sales!

        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        If this whole experiment was about page ranking and not making money, then why did the 3 articles and 1 wordpress site even bother to link to CB products??
        Hopefully, I've covered this above. Money is the ultimate goal of course Michael and IF your sales copy is well sorted and the CB vendor's page works as expected THEN your ranking is crucial (unless your model is PPC or something unrelated to Google Organic results).

        In one experiment of this type, covering Keyword Research AND Converting Sales Copy AND CB Vendor Selection AND 4+ methods of backlinking was not physically possible - not for me anyway...

        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        Oh good God, why are we all dancing around the real issue. If there had been a lot of Clickbank sales as a result of this experiment do you think for one moment those sales would not have been used as a measure of success? Of course they would have. But since the CB sales from the 3 articles and the 1 wordpress site were dismal I guess we will just minimize that as irrelevant. How convenient.
        Covered above I believe.

        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        What interested me about this experiment was how thoughtfully it was designed. Terry was actually using the scientific method - if you have a hypothesis to test you design a series of experiments where you make only one single change per experiment with all else being equal. If you make more than one change at a time you will not be able to pinpoint a single cause to a single effect. I will acknowledge that experiment #4 had two variables changed and not one, but that is OK, I understood what he was doing. Since most newbies start out IM with either a free article or a wordpress site.

        Take for example the first 3 experiments. There was exactly one variable changed for each of the first 3 experiments - the backlinking strategy. All else was equal (or at least as equal as could be made). Same product and essentially the same article (spun version of similar content). I will exaggerate for the purpose of example and clarity. Say for example at the end of the experiment we had the following results.


        Ex. #1: number of clickbank sales = 38
        Ex. #2: number of clickbank sales = 102
        Ex. #3: number of clickbank sales = 17

        In this example we could conclusively say that the "relevant" backlinking strategy of experiment #2 was the cause of the superior results.

        Terry, I assume, knows what he is doing with regards to marketing CB products. He did say he researched it and the keywords first so I think it is safe to assume he was counting on some sales to support the experiment. If not then why bother to link to a CB product at all and why bother to switch to another similar CB product when the first one was not making any sales?

        Actual sales are tangible results, an actual physical result that cannot be refuted, (you could go to the bank and put the cash from the sales in your hands). The results of a properly designed and executed experiment speak for themselves, that is why the scientific method is so powerful.

        The fact is, this experiment did not produce a large enough population of actual results to support a solid conclusion. Counting backlinks in site explorer or counting clickbank hops or view counts or randomly checking the search engines for your articles is not as solid as actual "sales". What solid, tangible results are there that support any conclusion at all?

        I am not here to throw stones or trash talk anyone. I too am a newbie and I am here to learn. All I am doing is making a challenge in an attempt to make an objective decision about the claims being made.
        Actual sales are tangible results, an actual physical result that cannot be refuted, (you could go to the bank and put the cash from the sales in your hands). The results of a properly designed and executed experiment speak for themselves, that is why the scientific method is so powerful.

        The fact is, this experiment did not produce a large enough population of actual results to support a solid conclusion. Counting backlinks in site explorer or counting clickbank hops or view counts or randomly checking the search engines for your articles is not as solid as actual "sales". What solid, tangible results are there that support any conclusion at all?


        Originally Michael, my intention was to disclose everything (the niche, the actual articles, sites etc). However, I was convinced that doing so would skew results and therefore held back certain details until later in the experiment. Openness throughout would have been more satisfying but that's all history now.

        Remember that this experiment is in the SEO section, not the CB Conversion area (which doesn't exist of course) and if different Warriors have learned different things in this process, one standout for you might be that getting good-ish rankings for a site or article does not automatically equal money in the bank. Why not? Because ALL of the other elements of the successful IM equation need to ALSO be in place.

        If, as other Warriors have stated here, the articles were amazing converters BUT lacked any traffic to convert through lousy rankings then that would be equally frustrating.

        Another influence I detect here also in your thinking Michael - correct me if I'm wrong - is the widely promoted myth of how easy it is to make money online. In my experience, IM is different from real-world businesses but not necessarily easier success-wise. That's why I'm always yammering on about a realistic 'timetable of expectations' in backlinking. Everywhere you look in "make money online", it's 'make $17,000,000 just 6 hours from now with my $97 report'. All nonsense of course.

        Testing, tweaking, experimenting and acting are essential for eventual success. In this experiment here, it's about the rankings, not the sales (though it would be nice to recoup some of the investment I've made in outsourcing during this process!!). Thinking medium to long term in IM is CRUCIAL IMO.

        I too am a newbie and I am here to learn. All I am doing is making a challenge in an attempt to make an objective decision about the claims being made.

        Exactly why I've done all this Michael!

        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        I don't know if you are new to this thread but the 60 day backlink experiment is over and has been over for over a month now. Excited about the results??? What results? Supposedly results and conclusions have already been made.

        That has been my point of contention - were there enough tangible results for a solid, objective, scientific conclusion?
        Around November 18 2009, I detailed all rankings at that time and then proceeded to use my own 'normal' backlinking approach thereafter and have given periodic SERP results. Also, as all of the keywords and article/site URLs have been published, progress can be checked by any Warrior at any time.

        Somewhere in January, I'll do a final final wrap-up.

        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        OK, I am re-reading this entire thread. On page 6 Terry gives an example of a signature link and a post link on the site "postpunkkitchen".

        His post and his profile are gone, in fact his member name is no longer on the list???

        What is the deal? Was his account deleted and for what? Misuse, over-linking, spamming, linking full stops?? Anybody got a clue?
        Almost as soon as the post over there was made public here, it was yanked from that site. With a public experiment of this type, that's always a risk i.e. it was reported.

        The screen grabs do at least reveal the approach used there so it was hopefully still of value.

        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        Well, he just created that sig link on 11-3-09 so I don't think it was for no action in a long time. Looks like it was singled out for some reason.
        Covered above.

        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        My sig links in postpunkkitchen are a lot older with no activity for a while and they are still there. How common would you say this is for profile and sig links? Do they have a short life then?

        Turbohips, you said you have 1000's of profile links. Do you revisit all those links periodically to keep your activity current on all those forums?

        I am still debating the value of profile and sig links. To date I only have about 30 or so. I am not sure if it is worth the time and effort yet, and I know backlinking packages are hot right now.

        Don't you think Google knows about "self-made" backlinks. By self-made backlinks I mean all types of links that can be dropped into a website by any person who happens on a Web 2.0 site. Natural links appear in the main body of a website's content, in an area accessible only to the site's owner and not every reader looking for a link back. Aren't these the links Google values?
        Keeping up activity on thousands of profiles is physically impossible. Just go for volume and most will stick - attrition is inevitable.

        Out of all the forms of backlinks I have tried, forum links have the most punch SERP-wise.

        Don't you think Google knows about "self-made" backlinks. By self-made backlinks I mean all types of links that can be dropped into a website by any person who happens on a Web 2.0 site.

        Google is probably aware of these but they still work and sifting real backlinks from self-made ones might be tricky and a lot of 'good' backlinks devalued in the process.

        I've wondered why they don't take down Linkvana and Linkvana-type farms which are arguably a bigger problem for them but they haven't - yet.

        Natural links appear in the main body of a website's content, in an area accessible only to the site's owner and not every reader looking for a link back. Aren't these the links Google values?

        The problem here Michael is that Google knows that Webmasters everywhere sell these links too so no measure of a 'real' backlink is completely perfect. By the way, those links ain't cheap for IMers like us!

        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        As I have hinted at before, I am still skeptical about all these backlink packages being promoted. Still haven't decided if I should buy into one yet. I might. I am a hard sell.

        Here's a puzzle I am hoping someone here can shed some light on. I have a website less than one year old with only about 80 backlinks so far. 80 according to yahoo. As some have said on this forum only about 20% of actual links show up, so that would mean I really have about 400 backlinks, correct?

        The homepage to my site in question has a pagerank of 3 as well as some of the inner pages. In fact one of the inner pages already has a PR of 4. How is this possible with a site so new and so few back links. I see some sites with 1000's of links showing with a PR of 0.

        According to Statcounter I am getting very little traffic to speak of. So why does my site already deserve a PR of 4?

        Is pagerank something of real value or should it be completely ignored in favor SERP's page placement. Are they two completely different animals or are they connected?

        Pagerank must have some value, all the backlink packages advise it is best to get blog and profile backlinks from high PR sites. Does this imply that pagerank is only good for backlinking and not SERP placement?
        I am still skeptical about all these backlink packages being promoted.

        Backlinking isn't ONE way to get high rankings for keywords worth chasing, it's the ONLY way - at least on Google (Bing and Yahoo are quite different and use much more on-page SEO).

        While we have to be cautious about things stated over here, Matt Cutts says as much here:

        http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleWe...20/Mha9q2aAfdM

        Now I am NOT saying that backlinking is the ONLY way to make money online - there are dozens of methods for doing so without creating a single backlink. BUT, if your success is tied to Google Organic search results, backlinking is ESSENTIAL.

        And it will take 3 months+ (usually) to get a high Page 1 position IF you haven't picked an unwinnable SEO fight.

        Here's a puzzle I am hoping someone here can shed some light on. I have a website less than one year old with only about 80 backlinks so far. 80 according to yahoo. As some have said on this forum only about 20% of actual links show up, so that would mean I really have about 400 backlinks, correct?

        The homepage to my site in question has a pagerank of 3 as well as some of the inner pages. In fact one of the inner pages already has a PR of 4. How is this possible with a site so new and so few back links. I see some sites with 1000's of links showing with a PR of 0.

        According to Statcounter I am getting very little traffic to speak of. So why does my site already deserve a PR of 4?

        Is pagerank something of real value or should it be completely ignored in favor SERP's page placement. Are they two completely different animals or are they connected?

        Pagerank must have some value, all the backlink packages advise it is best to get blog and profile backlinks from high PR sites. Does this imply that pagerank is only good for backlinking and not SERP placement?


        While having PR for a site is nice from a possible site flipping perspective, PR0 sites outrank PR4 sites every day of the week.

        Bottom line, use PR as a backlinks general guide of authority and (possibly) frequency of getting crawled by Google but from a ranking perspective, not a biggie at all.

        I've rushed this reply Michael as I'm (theoretically) on holidays and probably missed a few issues so post them below and I'll get back to them (or PM me if you like).

        I hope that clarifies a few things here.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Out of all the forms of backlinks I have tried, forum links have the most punch SERP-wise.
    By this did you mean links located in the actual body of a forum post?

    I've been playing around with a couple of different forum posting methods over the past week to see what sticks and see what works best.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Take it with a grain of salt but I've noticed no real difference if the anchor text link was in posts as opposed to in the profiles that I've created. I've also experimented with having links coming from forums that I've been apart of for years with 100's if not 1000's of comments/posts. End result differed slightly from a simple profile link. This leads me to believe that diversity from various SITES were much more important than having 1000's of links from the same exact forum site.

    I hope not to step on toes when making my claims from what I've experienced personally. I'm simply trying to show what has happened from my various experiments in the past. By the way, profile links work big time and this is the only method that I plan to use until proven otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    This leads me to believe that diversity from various SITES were much more important than having 1000's of links from the same exact forum site.
    I believe this is a conclusion that Terry had come to as well and it's something I also think is accurate. You can only squeeze so much link love from a site.

    I think there are several benefits of getting a link into a thread instead of a profile. Certain forums have threads that gain PR themselves which would be a benefit over a n/a profile backlink. It also allows me to add links to more sites and more keyword variations without having to sign-up for additional accounts. There is also page content relevance which may be an added benefit as well. I guess the final benefit would be since I am leaving links in the forums themsevles my profile page is clean which keeps me flying under mod radar. and one more, it also eliminates the issue of sites closing off viewing profiles to members only, the anti-angela packs effect doesn't kill a site for me.

    A lot of that is a rehash of some forum experiments that Terry was running earlier in this thread but abandoned them due to some legal concerns. He was also using the smiley link trick which works but obviously doesn't allow for anchor texts. You also have the issue of sites with underlined links with makes your smiley link stand out.

    The biggest hurdle is getting past the mods. From what I understand with Vbulletin is there is an addon or hack that tips mods off when new users add a link into forum posts... which means investing some time into the forum and making around 10 posts before leaving any links. I learned this lesson when rottontomatos caught me real quick but since then and taking into account their anti-spam measure I've been able to avoid this issue.

    Now it's a matter of figuring out how to best take advantage of forums and get the most out of them when it comes to backlinking. I have always avoided forum links in the past since they are obvious in-your-face spamming.

    I'll also add that my current trick is 100% undetectable to viewers... meaning nobody can see that I've added a link which allows me to leave natural comments without appearing spammy or ruining the forum. I guess that makes me a nice spammer
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      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

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      I'll also add that my current trick is 100% undetectable to viewers... meaning nobody can see that I've added a link which allows me to leave natural comments without appearing spammy or ruining the forum. I guess that makes me a nice spammer
      oh now that's not fair!
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        • Profile picture of the author ARVolund
          I have never ran into this that I have noticed but there is a good chance that the ip address for the two sites are the same. If this is the case you are not really going to get much extra boost from the additional profile. If they are different then you will get some additional benefit.

          Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

          Just a random question. I have been trying a few of those profile links and I noticed that sometimes after registering and putting links in the bio or signature the system simultaneously and automatically puts my profile on another similar site.

          Has anyone else experienced this? Is this good - a two for one bargain, or is it duplication because I notice the member number, name, password and profile are the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author Travis W
    Terry, I've been following this for a while, but have never made any posts...therefore WF won't let me PM you....

    I sent you an email about your 800 links for buying your WSO...

    Looking forward to hearing back.

    Great work on the tests!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
    Hi Terry,
    Happy new year. I see a lot of negative posts lately and wanted to add my two cents for any future readers. If you are that negative and think that Terry took all this time to make a couple dollars on a WSO, then you must be nuts. He could have went and worked at a fast food joint and made more money per hour. For the rest of us that see the true value and have learned, thanks If you don't like the thread then hit your back button and move on. I'm a golf fan. If I built a new golf course, I'm sure I would have people that didn't like the layout or something. I wouldn't want to hear people coming in and b!2*$ing about it after playing a free round on me. I would probably tell you to take a hike. Terry is more of a stand up guy then me must be, because he will actually give a polite response to negative posts. Good for you Terry. Speaking for the ones that do find value in this experiment, stop wasting Terry's time on negative posts that don't help us. This is an experiment that does have a lot of valuable information. I have used some of the techniques to help me with my business and am generating quite a bit of organic traffic since learning this priceless advice.

    Have a great day!

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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Well just to add a little more value to this thread I'm experimenting with a blogging software that automates leaving comments. I'll post my results over the next few weeks.

    Terry,
    Do you have any experience with this type of software?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      Well just to add a little more value to this thread I'm experimenting with a blogging software that automates leaving comments. I'll post my results over the next few weeks.

      Terry,
      Do you have any experience with this type of software?

      I have been using scrapebox for a couple of months now and love it. Note that I still haven't really used it to directly backlink any of my sites as I am scared about the sheer volume of backlinks I could get. So, I have been using it indirectly to backlink such things as all of my web 2.0 profiles that I created in conjunction with Sean's backlink booster. For 10 of these sites, I now have >5,000 backlinks to them (according to Y! Site Explorer). Who knows for sure, but I think that's a big reason why my backlinks lately have been getting indexed at a clip >60% when using backlink booster. Google has just been crawling my web 2.0 profiles like mad, and picking up my backlinks.

      Like Terry, I also use Scrapebox heavily in the research department, as the search functionality of it is awesome.

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        Happy new year to all the followers of this remarkable thread! hope to be of service soon in the link building department! cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Tom thanks for your reply. This helps ease the tension when I buy new products. When you create a run, do you use real email address or fake ones? The reason why I ask is because it creates so much junk and spam emails in my inbox and is a pain to sort through.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      Tom thanks for your reply. This helps ease the tension when I buy new products. When you create a run, do you use real email address or fake ones? The reason why I ask is because it creates so much junk and spam emails in my inbox and is a pain to sort through.
      Funny you should ask. At first I created real ones, but i don't do that anymore.

      What I do is I list fake address at domains that I own. So, if I owned "bigbutts.com", I might list addresses like:

      joe@bigbutts.com
      samantha@bigbutts.com

      etc.,

      Then I know for sure the addresses don't actually exist, but I never actually receive the emails and they don't clog things up.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    Hey Terry,

    This has been a really insightful thread for me. Your thoughts on taking a single article and turning into a sale machine that you don't have to host can really turn ANYONE into a marketer.

    Spend a half hour writing a good article and then build backlinks too it.

    Simple and actionable.
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  • Profile picture of the author badcow
    I think I'm experiencing the Google dance or perhaps the infamous "slap" with a new site I built back on 11/27/09. It is an exact keyword domain and after it was indexed, it took a few days to go straight to page 1 on the SERPS (ranking between #11 and #7) and has remained there well over a month (5 and 1/2 weeks actually). This morning it dropped to rank #68 and this evening it is #187! Yikes!

    I've been backlinking it like crazy the last few days using SEO Link Domination and then Backlink Booster. Terry - in your WSO you tell us not to worry about this... but MAN it is hard not to!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by badcow View Post

      I think I'm experiencing the Google dance or perhaps the infamous "slap" with a new site I built back on 11/27/09. It is an exact keyword domain and after it was indexed, it took a few days to go straight to page 1 on the SERPS (ranking between #11 and #7) and has remained there well over a month (5 and 1/2 weeks actually). This morning it dropped to rank #68 and this evening it is #187! Yikes!

      I've been backlinking it like crazy the last few days using SEO Link Domination and then Backlink Booster. Terry - in your WSO you tell us not to worry about this... but MAN it is hard not to!!
      Hi Richard,

      Google is just 'digesting' those links - it's no biggie. If it all it took to zap the sites above me in Yeast Infections was a fast link spike, I'd have (politely) lasered them before now! If Sean had created a site killing app inadvertently with BB, he could charge about 100x the price for it...

      Funnily enough, the most volatility on Page 1 seems to be when you aren't at #1. If/when you get up there, it somehow stabilises though of course some level of linkbuilding has to be maintained.

      Indented double listings also seem more stable and of course there is that Site Bracketing tactic we discussed earlier if you have an article flying around crazily.

      If your wild site spiral lasts more than a week Richard, PM me and I'll recommend a shock therapy tactic which could help.
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      • Profile picture of the author badcow
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Hi Richard,

        Google is just 'digesting' those links - it's no biggie. If it all it took to zap the sites above me in Yeast Infections was a fast link spike, I'd have (politely) lasered them before now! If Sean had created a site killing app inadvertently with BB, he could charge about 100x the price for it...

        Funnily enough, the most volatility on Page 1 seems to be when you aren't at #1. If/when you get up there, it somehow stabilises though of course some level of linkbuilding has to be maintained.

        Indented double listings also seem more stable and of course there is that Site Bracketing tactic we discussed earlier if you have an article flying around crazily.

        If your wild site spiral lasts more than a week Richard, PM me and I'll recommend a shock therapy tactic which could help.
        Thanks Terry - you're just pretty awesome like that aren't you? I appreciate that about you and several other Warriors I've had the pleasure to interact with.

        I will watch my stats for a week and work on other sites for now. Thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author jhess56
          I do not have enough posts yet to pm you terry,but i wuold like to know this shock therapy as well.Ive had a money site 'digesting links' for over a month,the whole time it dropped a decent ranking to do so,hence dropping income.

          Also, you mentioned pasthtml to drop all urls with links on them,then bookmark that one page.Its a cool site,but I cant figure it out.Are you saying you create an <a href= etc etc code link for each individual profile url or am i missing something huge here?

          Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Not sure if this has been repeated before but what works for me in that situation is making sure that the links I'm building are coming from different sources such as blogs and forums. I know that I've said in the past that I don't care much for bookmarking and web 2.0 sites but mixing up the types of backlinks help to make your site look like it's organically building links.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    Hi Franco,

    You missed a big debate on this already. (Find posts by MIchaelx)... The jist of it is that this was a LINKING experiment, not a monetization experiment.

    I believe Terry said the results were not large enough conclusive of anything as far as being profitable, but he (and we)did learn great strategies to build links.

    So plug in what you learned about linking with your own ideas for making money and have a go at it.

    I'd say that's the atmosphere of the thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    yup there is a real good reason why this thread is so long and that has to do with the various strategies floating around. Terry was kind enough to share his experiment of these various techniques to see which works. From all the input from others we are starting to figure out what is really helping with the keyword placement in the SERP's. Read the whole thing and I'm sure you'll learn a thing or two.
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  • Terry,

    This entire thread has been an interesting read ... this is definitely a very hot topic in IM.

    Thanks for taking the time and effort to initiate it.

    Andy
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    • Profile picture of the author CcKilian
      Wow.... finally made it to the end!

      Thanks so much to everyone for their input... I'm new at this game, and I feel like I've had a bit of a crash course on a few different techniques for building backlinks.

      Terry Specifically.... thank you, thank you, thank you! You're certainly an outstanding guy, and I appreciate all the effort and time you've put in to help everyone out!

      Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author jhess56
        Definitely a big thank you terry. And to eveyrone else who contributed as well.
        One other thing I was confused about was the mentioning of the potential discrepancies of the clickbank order form/impressions?
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    • Profile picture of the author jpaissa27
      Hey Terry, What can I use for affiliate links for EZA?

      I know they are strict with where you link to, especially if it is a sales affiliate link.

      What software or what slick techniques can I use to have an affiliate link without any problem in EZA?

      Thank you!
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by jpaissa27 View Post

        Hey Terry, What can I use for affiliate links for EZA?

        I know they are strict with where you link to, especially if it is a sales affiliate link.

        What software or what slick techniques can I use to have an affiliate link without any problem in EZA?

        Thank you!
        Unless EZA has changed their policy in the last month or so (last time I checked), you can do a domain level (not subpage level) redirect to an affiliate link.

        So, you in your EZA article you could link to:

        http://www.mysite.com

        Then do domain redirect (php or just set it up with your host), to your affiliate link from that domain.

        You couldn't do this though:

        http://www.mysite.com/mylink

        And then redirect that.

        I think that you can get info domains for something like $1.99, so it is a pretty cheap option.

        Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author badcow
    Terry (and others)... quick update to my Google slap/dance/digestion issue. Yesterday I posted that my 5 week old exact keyword domain site dropped from a consistent #7 ranking down to #68 in the AM and finally #186 in the PM. This afternoon it now ranks at #5... basically in a 24 time period it went from #7 all the way down to #186 and then up to #5. Now that's a roller coaster ride!
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    • Profile picture of the author jhess56
      Originally Posted by Franco Mocke View Post

      It happens, I had far worse things happening to me in the past.

      One site that I really took time promoting with links suddenly disappeared entirely, not even ranking within the top 1000. It took FOUR WEEKS to come back to nr8.
      What number were you before the dance?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by badcow View Post

      Terry (and others)... quick update to my Google slap/dance/digestion issue. Yesterday I posted that my 5 week old exact keyword domain site dropped from a consistent #7 ranking down to #68 in the AM and finally #186 in the PM. This afternoon it now ranks at #5... basically in a 24 time period it went from #7 all the way down to #186 and then up to #5. Now that's a roller coaster ride!
      Great stuff. I know first-hand this can be scary as hell when it happens though. The key for me is to have many different sites going at once, or else I might freak out over any particular site.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by Franco Mocke View Post

        Ok thanks James, I missed that "debate" !

        Glad to hear that it has been sorted out
        Thanks for all the support above and Tom Goodwin - my next WSO partner! - for chiming in there.

        Hi Franco,

        I wrote a very long post on another (very heated) thread in this sub-forum and published it about 8 seconds before the whole thing was deleted by a mod!

        The thrust of that thread was dissatisfaction with the speed of backlinking results and the OP was frustrated that in using Angela, PJs and possibly my backlinks sites (I can't remember if I was named there now), that he was no longer getting to Page 1 in 2 weeks or less.

        As I recall Franco, you were similarly disenchanted with your lack of results. I wanted to find you and offer you a full refund in the first place on my WSO but then the thread was deleted.

        When I first started using backlinks packets, I was - exactly like you - peeved that my site/s didn't move. At all.

        Here's part of the problem.

        The sales pages of backlinks packets imply or openly state that the results will be fast.

        As you have found, they are not.

        Not usually anyway. And I am always trying to water down expectations of overnight success.

        'Overnight' success takes time in the real world AND online and as far as Google is concerned (Yahoo and Bing are different), backlinks are everything.

        Nobody disputes that - least of all Matt Cutts here.

        However, one of the godfather heavyweights of SEO, Aaron Wall, sets 3 months as a realistic timeframe for Page 1 SERP results and so do SENuke's current black belts.

        Let me use this metaphor Franco.

        If I was on the obese side and really wanted to lose weight, which approach is likely to be more successful? [a] the latest 7-day fad diet, or [b] a methodical, consistent approach following healthy lifestyle principles of a good diet and regular exercise.

        Backlinking is like that.

        You have keep building those links until you reach a tipping point (it varies from site to site) and then, progress will be rapid - usually. But you have to keep at it and not stop for a few months and expect it to keep rising.

        Backlinking mimics genuine authority sites and viral articles that continually attract links from all over the Web. That's the effect you are going for.

        If your business model is based on Google Organic results (and there are loads of other different IM models), then backlinking is all you've got when it comes to ranking for any term that's worth ranking for.

        To emphasise what I mean Franco, grab a free copy of SEO Spyglass here and analyse a #1 site in one of your niches. I'll bet that if Yahoo Site Explorer is only showing a few dozen or hundreds or even 0 backlinks, Spyglass will find a LOT more (the free one is limited to a thousand results) - see an earlier post of mine in this thread. That demonstrates how critical backlinking is to ranking in Google.

        However, if you can change your timetable of expectations and start a consistent backlinking regime (and there have never been more tools or services to help you), you will get decent rankings - in time. Just make sure that your SEO boxing matches are winnable BEFORE you start.

        You also have to make sure that when the traffic arrives that you can convert it - an area I've struggled with.

        In short, in my opinion, IM boils down to:

        MINDSET + TRAFFIC (possibly via Google Organic) + CONVERTING COPY

        Obviously that's a crude simplification and I could spend ages elaborating on each area but the MIDDLE one, traffic is where I'm at (hopefully my mindset is healthy! ).

        PM me Franco on the refund too!

        Sorry about absences here but will update and wrap up soon...
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    • Profile picture of the author medway
      Originally Posted by badcow View Post

      Terry (and others)... quick update to my Google slap/dance/digestion issue. Yesterday I posted that my 5 week old exact keyword domain site dropped from a consistent #7 ranking down to #68 in the AM and finally #186 in the PM. This afternoon it now ranks at #5... basically in a 24 time period it went from #7 all the way down to #186 and then up to #5. Now that's a roller coaster ride!
      Glad to hear. I've been testing out Scrapebox on a few sites and a couple of them have dropped from their page one positions so patiently awaiting their return ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Morpheo
    Firstly Terry, thanks! Great stuff here.

    Getting back to the substance of the experiment and your usage of SEO Spyglass, I think it's anecdotal that "smiley face links" -- as I'm now calling them -- are giving sites good SERPs. Without meaningful, targeted anchors, I guarantee you, you won't be ranking for what you want at all. Just cause organic sites have many incoming links with irrelevant anchors, or no anchors at all, doesn't mean those links are helping them rank much, and there are probably many anchored links that SEO Spyglass isn't showing you. I don't like using these types of tools because they can't reveal a site's ENTIRE backlink roster and that leads to misleading results. Analyzing 1000 random links (and that's all you get) from a high-ranking site that has 15,000 links in Yahoo Site Explorer isn't going to show the full picture.

    When I target a niche, I canvas the ENTIRE niche, unlike most Warriors. This means targetting 30-40 high volume keywords in the niche and shooting for #1. And this requires a lot of very targetted anchors. I've been able to completely dominate a niche within 12 months, and I can tell you for a fact that relevancy of the link is irrelevant. I still believe the quality of the link is relevant.
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    • Profile picture of the author jhess56
      Are anchor text specific backlinks preferable?Sure
      But there is no doubt that a backlink from a high pr site that doesnt have the desired anchor text will indeed pass pr and increase the overall authority/power of your site.

      Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

      Firstly Terry, thanks! Great stuff here.

      Getting back to the substance of the experiment and your usage of SEO Spyglass, I think it's anecdotal that "smiley face links" -- as I'm now calling them -- are giving sites good SERPs. Without meaningful, targeted anchors, I guarantee you, you won't be ranking for what you want at all. Just cause organic sites have many incoming links with irrelevant anchors, or no anchors at all, doesn't mean those links are helping them rank much, and there are probably many anchored links that SEO Spyglass isn't showing you. I don't like using these types of tools because they can't reveal a site's ENTIRE backlink roster and that leads to misleading results. Analyzing 1000 random links (and that's all you get) from a high-ranking site that has 15,000 links in Yahoo Site Explorer isn't going to show the full picture.

      When I target a niche, I canvas the ENTIRE niche, unlike most Warriors. This means targetting 30-40 high volume keywords in the niche and shooting for #1. And this requires a lot of very targetted anchors. I've been able to completely dominate a niche within 12 months, and I can tell you for a fact that relevancy of the link is irrelevant. I still believe the quality of the link is relevant.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    I sure wish I had the time to make 40-50 keywords #1 for my site. I'm 6 months into my project and only have 3 on the #1 top spot for google but the rest are #2-60. Again my competition is fierce though.

    On a side note, I used one of the free programs that were given out on this forum and the Scrapebox tool. I've been using it for the last 3 days and so far the results are fairly good. Now hear me out on this. My sites actually dropped big time off the radar from Google and I'm sure Yahoo and Bing will soon follow. I say this is good due to the fact that every time that I link heavily on any site, it drops off the radar and then comes back swinging with higher rankings in the SERP's. I'm sure as this happened many times in the past to have my sites sitting higher in the rankings. I'll keep posting updates regarding my experiments to let you guys know what's happening. From the last 3 days I've added nearly 1000 backlinks with none of them being anchor text. Yes, there is a reason for this and I'll explain later in my experiment if it works in my best interest.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post


      On a side note, I used one of the free programs that were given out on this forum and the Scrapebox tool.
      I have been using the same exact combo:rolleyes:

      What I actually did was use one of my sites that I set up for for an adult dating theme, with zero backlinks to it. I'm not even trying to rank for anything. I am just testing to see what sites come through as backlinks and then I plan on using that list for my other sites, so I won't have to worry about the other ones.
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    • Profile picture of the author jhess56
      Im looking at the scrapebox tool as well,but what is this other tool you used to get so many links and get such a big google dance(and therefore eventual results)?

      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      I sure wish I had the time to make 40-50 keywords #1 for my site. I'm 6 months into my project and only have 3 on the #1 top spot for google but the rest are #2-60. Again my competition is fierce though.

      On a side note, I used one of the free programs that were given out on this forum and the Scrapebox tool. I've been using it for the last 3 days and so far the results are fairly good. Now hear me out on this. My sites actually dropped big time off the radar from Google and I'm sure Yahoo and Bing will soon follow. I say this is good due to the fact that every time that I link heavily on any site, it drops off the radar and then comes back swinging with higher rankings in the SERP's. I'm sure as this happened many times in the past to have my sites sitting higher in the rankings. I'll keep posting updates regarding my experiments to let you guys know what's happening. From the last 3 days I've added nearly 1000 backlinks with none of them being anchor text. Yes, there is a reason for this and I'll explain later in my experiment if it works in my best interest.
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      • Profile picture of the author turbohips
        Originally Posted by jhess56 View Post

        Im looking at the scrapebox tool as well,but what is this other tool you used to get so many links and get such a big google dance(and therefore eventual results)?
        It's found here: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-profiles.html
        So far no real results yet but I'm sure in a few days something will happen.
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        • Profile picture of the author pons_saravanan
          Hi

          Thanks for the good tool, I tried yesterday. It actualy builds profile very fast. I found few links are indexed also. I will monitor few more days to see any movements. Do you find any?

          thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author netbizer
          Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

          It's found here: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-profiles.html
          So far no real results yet but I'm sure in a few days something will happen.
          Hi Turbo thanks for posting this. does this free tool work on a Mac? cheers!
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          • Profile picture of the author John Tighe
            Hi Terry

            First of all I'd like to say a huge thank you for the work you've put into this amazing thread!

            I discovered it just before Christmas and read the whole thread over the holidays. Reading it took long enough, so for you to actually put it together is above and beyond the call of duty!

            I've also just read your Backlinks Black Belt Report, which was another great read with a lot of great action items, so thanks for that also.

            Anyway, you've inspired me to do some testing of my own. With that in mind would you be able to PM me? I'd like to ask you a couple of questions :confused: about the experiment I'm going to do, but my post count's not up high enough for PMs yet.

            Look forward to hearing from you.

            Kind regards, John
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          • Profile picture of the author medway
            Terry I had an interesting effect on using my sig here on wf.. I was trying to get my mister wong profile to get indexed in an experiment to see how google crawled and indexed socailbookmark pages.

            I kept checking for weeks and nothing so just forgot about it. The other day I was at my account and noticed its been updated as a pr3.

            The only links I sent were my sig here which I've now edited to remove. Seospyglass is still reporting those links live even though google as already recached those pages with my current sig.

            I did submit my mister wong rss feed to some aggregators but those don't show up in a backlink search.

            So as far as ranking with anchors I'm not sure the effectiveness of sigs but in this case it sure seemed to not only get a stubborn profile indexed but with also a nice amount of pr which means it will be crawled more often so my bookmarks will get picked up quicker, which was the aim the whole time.
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  • Profile picture of the author tijay
    Hey Terry,

    Just checked the kw "backlinks" in google and you are #2. Even beating out Angela. Congrats! Can you give us some insights on how you moved up to the #2 spot.

    Hopefully that #2 spot will stick.

    TiJay

    EDIT: Looks like your just google dancing at the moment. Back to #6. Maybe that's some sort of preview into what is going to happen in the near future. Anyway, still would like an update on how you are backlinking your black belt site if you have the time. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Just got back from snowboarding today and checked my two sites that I was experimenting with. They are both done with the short dance and showing 100's of more links. The only problem is there was no movement in the SERP's for their keywords from where they were last time. Just thought I'd share.
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    • Profile picture of the author eidorian
      Thanks Terry for creating this experiment. I just came across this thread and I happen to be trying to rank one of my GA page and hopefully make some affiliate sales. This thread is so useful.

      I am very curious about the results and I went to did some investigation on those keywords. I found something that is really puzzling for keyword 1 (aka experiment 1)

      Yeast Infection Home Remedy
      Terry's GA page is on #20.
      But on page 1 #9, there is another GA page.

      Since they are both from GA, this makes a good comparison.
      The second GA page is really strange.
      1) It does not have "Home Remedy" in the title and description
      2) It has PR 7 ??
      3) It has only 3 backlinks
      (refer to screenshot 1)

      It can manage to rank better than Terry page :confused:

      How is it possible it got PR 7? GA home page is only 6 and even it pass all the page rank over, it should only get 6.

      And there is only 3 backlinks. And those 3 backlinks have PR 0 with non related anchor text. (Refer to screenshot 2 from market samurai)

      Anyone have any comments? As a newbie in SEO, this really makes me confused. It really go against all the stuffs I have learnt about SEO. Thanks in advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Sorry about being away - I need a 2nd body I think to get everything done! Will get back to above questions soon!

        Originally Posted by medway View Post

        Terry I had an interesting effect on using my sig here on wf.. I was trying to get my mister wong profile to get indexed in an experiment to see how google crawled and indexed socailbookmark pages.

        I kept checking for weeks and nothing so just forgot about it. The other day I was at my account and noticed its been updated as a pr3.

        The only links I sent were my sig here which I've now edited to remove. Seospyglass is still reporting those links live even though google as already recached those pages with my current sig.

        I did submit my mister wong rss feed to some aggregators but those don't show up in a backlink search.

        So as far as ranking with anchors I'm not sure the effectiveness of sigs but in this case it sure seemed to not only get a stubborn profile indexed but with also a nice amount of pr which means it will be crawled more often so my bookmarks will get picked up quicker, which was the aim the whole time.
        Very Interesting approach here Jesse!

        If you are using Backlink Booster, you could pick out your 5 or 6 best Web 2.0 profiles (and/or RSS>Autoblogpost sites) and use them as a second line in your WF signature under your main offer in larger print (see my sample signature below).

        Brilliant insight there J - you get today's chocolate treat! This adds another level of boosting to your original backlink boosting.

        By the way, to answer those PMs and emails, Tom Goodwin and I should (hopefully) have our BIG backlinks WSO up and running by this weekend. Fingers crossed. You can join the notification list here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          By the way, my main backlinking focuses (foci?) this year will be:

          [1] Getting consistent 'double listings' on Page 1 with my own sites with an exact methodology (working on it now!) - Site Bracketing is the way to do it with some Web 2.0 sites of course;

          [2] Specific tactics for digging sites out of the Sandbox (if it exists - hasn't happened to me so far - touch wood);

          [3] Maximising .edu links which may be a secret sauce element for getting from Page 1 to #1 faster and more consistently; and,

          [4] Automating as much as humanly possible.

          Backlinking-wise, this should be a very interesting year...
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          • Profile picture of the author medway
            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

            By the way, my main backlinking focuses (foci?) this year will be:

            [1] Getting consistent 'double listings' on Page 1 with my own sites with an exact methodology (working on it now!) - Site Bracketing is the way to do it with some Web 2.0 sites of course;

            [3] Maximising .edu links which may be a secret sauce element for getting from Page 1 to #1 faster and more consistently; and,


            Backlinking-wise, this should be a very interesting year...
            1 is something I need to work on as well, two competitors in my bread and butter keyword are both doing this so need to follow suit.

            Are you sure? I just read something recently with Matt Cutts saying they give no special treatment to edu links. He said they seem more powerful due to usually having more page rank.

            Havent really investigated them too much though.
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        • Profile picture of the author medway
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          If you are using Backlink Booster, you could pick out your 5 or 6 best Web 2.0 profiles (and/or RSS>Autoblogpost sites) and use them as a second line in your WF signature under your main offer in larger print (see my sample signature below).
          Havent checked backlink booster yet although I need to read your article on how best to use it again.

          Dont think I mentioned but unfortunately for mr wong it's no follow but Ill certainly try this on some other profiles that are do follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chad Eljisr
    Really impressive thread! Thanks Terry for initiating it and sharing all this stuff. What are the final conclusions of this experiment? I know it seems utopic to have a step by step magic backlinking formula, but does something close to that exist?...
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  • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
    Terry

    I have been quiet and continue to follow this thread with interest

    I must say in addition to some really good tips, its given me some determination that one day my site may dominate the serps. One clear thing is it takes time. If I remember its over 3 months since you started this experiment and results were hardly quick.

    I have been building backlinks since mid october to my site which was doing fairly OK in the serps and it got booted out end of october. I have kept at it and I am still sandboxed ( or whatever) BUT I kept getting the courage to keep up every time I came to this post.

    I know people want A+B=C type answers BUT i think if people bother enough to read this thread from thee beginning they will find some useful tips. I have been all over the place for "seo tips" and this is one great thread I have found VERY useful

    After all if it was damn easy to get number 1 then surely it would be damn useless chasing seo stuff coz you'll be taken off the top spot quickly

    SEO is not quick get rich scheme and I have drifted my mind to thinking I am building a business and take it that way
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by medway View Post

      Havent checked backlink booster yet although I need to read your article on how best to use it again.

      Dont think I mentioned but unfortunately for mr wong it's no follow but Ill certainly try this on some other profiles that are do follow.
      This is a crude depiction of it Jesse and you could throw in my RSS>autoblogposting method as well:


      Obviously signature links can be bought/rented elsewhere too if you wanted hundreds of additional backlinks to BB-driven Web 2.0 profile sites where your new packets backlinks are linked to each month.

      Once set up, it's basically 2 clicks with Backlink Booster for the whole chain to be linked with each newly created backlink.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by medway View Post

        1 is something I need to work on as well, two competitors in my bread and butter keyword are both doing this so need to follow suit.

        Are you sure? I just read something recently with Matt Cutts saying they give no special treatment to edu links. He said they seem more powerful due to usually having more page rank.

        Havent really investigated them too much though.
        Could be that Google is trying to discourage .edu linkspamming.

        I see the heavyweights on Page 1 for "insurance" going after thousands of .edu backlinks and I try to look at the most competitive keywords pretty often for patterns there.

        More testing needed huh J?
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by Franco Mocke View Post

          Hey Terry,

          Hope you reach your goals this year! I think you should add one more point to that list of yours:

          "Finding out what links hold the most power"

          In my country a guy is ranking 3rd for "car insurance quotes", which is a major keyword. with less than 100 links, and a VERY crappy website.

          Terry, I bought your product a while ago but I see it has been updated wildly the past weeks, where can I get the new updated book?
          Hi Franco,

          I PMed your free download link.

          I'd like to run that 100-reported-backlink site through the Enterprise version of SEO Spyglass - I suspect it will show up a LOT more backlinks than 100 (what's the URL?).

          Link value wise, I find that article directories have the least value (for me anyway) and forums are the strongest, even if they have similar PR.

          Weird huh?

          Interesting to note that the high ranking site is "crappy" - there goes the quality content myth hey Franco!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by Chad Eljisr View Post

            Really impressive thread! Thanks Terry for initiating it and sharing all this stuff. What are the final conclusions of this experiment? I know it seems utopic to have a step by step magic backlinking formula, but does something close to that exist?...
            Hi Chad,

            I am getting towards a final wrap-up but these backlinking fundamentals - crudely simplified - have served me well (all just my opinion):

            [1] One keyword only per page (not site)

            [2] Same anchor text for all backlinks to a specific INNER page only (when that is on Page 1, THEN start backlinking your homepage to hopefully get that juicy double listing)

            [3] Make sure that your backlinks sites are not all hosted (basically) on the same computer (e.g. Ning, Kickapps, Movable Type)

            [4] Patiently sustain your backlinking and don't drop off for 3 months and expect rankings to keep going up

            [5] Make sure that your SEO fights are winnable with research BEFORE committing to a new site (markey Samurai is free to trial, SEO Spyglass free version does a lot too)

            [6] Keep your 'timetable of expectations' realistic - 3 months is about right (this is also what SEO Godfather Aaron Wall states about backlinking timeframes)

            [7] Ignore relevancy in choosing sites for your backlinks

            [8] Remember that article directory backlinks have the LEAST value and forums have the MOST (at least in my experience)

            [9] Boost the backlinks that you do create with Backlink Booster AND, if possible my rss>autoblogposting method (clever Warrior Carl Ringwall will be releasing an awesome video WSO on this in great detail shortly along with other backlink boosting methods)

            [10] Have enough sites in your portfolio so that you aren't too emotionally invested in one straggler that's slow to rank (I have too many though!)

            [11] If possible, get backlinks from the same sites that your higher ranked competitors are getting them (especially #1) - again SEO Spyglass is excellent for this

            [12] Automate or outsource as much as humanly possible

            Hope that helps Chad!
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

              Terry,

              So are you saying that you don't point Scrapebox links at your money pages?

              Additionally, can you elaborate and your exact method when it comes to Scrapebox? How many blog comments/trackbacks etc do you create on a daily or weekly basis?

              I just bought the software a couple of days ago and it's extremely powerful, so I'd love to hear how someone who has been using it for a while is going about it.
              Hi Pat,

              You can point Scrapebox at your money pages (and I do) but it also seems like a brilliant way to supercharge the Web 2.0 profiles connected to your Backlink Booster setup.

              I'll let my Backlinking Partner Tom Goodwin answer your other Scrapebox questions - he's a certified Scrapebox addict! Tom, where are you?
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

                Terry

                I have been quiet and continue to follow this thread with interest

                I must say in addition to some really good tips, its given me some determination that one day my site may dominate the serps. One clear thing is it takes time. If I remember its over 3 months since you started this experiment and results were hardly quick.

                I have been building backlinks since mid october to my site which was doing fairly OK in the serps and it got booted out end of october. I have kept at it and I am still sandboxed ( or whatever) BUT I kept getting the courage to keep up every time I came to this post.

                I know people want A+B=C type answers BUT i think if people bother enough to read this thread from thee beginning they will find some useful tips. I have been all over the place for "seo tips" and this is one great thread I have found VERY useful

                After all if it was damn easy to get number 1 then surely it would be damn useless chasing seo stuff coz you'll be taken off the top spot quickly

                SEO is not quick get rich scheme and I have drifted my mind to thinking I am building a business and take it that way
                Hi Sherry,

                Thanks for your input and insight - good stuff!

                If you PM me Sherry, I'll recommend some of my prototype anti-sandbox measures and hopefully your site can be resurrected.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Originally Posted by eidorian View Post

                  Thanks Terry for creating this experiment. I just came across this thread and I happen to be trying to rank one of my GA page and hopefully make some affiliate sales. This thread is so useful.

                  I am very curious about the results and I went to did some investigation on those keywords. I found something that is really puzzling for keyword 1 (aka experiment 1)

                  Yeast Infection Home Remedy
                  Terry's GA page is on #20.
                  But on page 1 #9, there is another GA page.

                  Since they are both from GA, this makes a good comparison.
                  The second GA page is really strange.
                  1) It does not have "Home Remedy" in the title and description
                  2) It has PR 7 ??
                  3) It has only 3 backlinks
                  (refer to screenshot 1)

                  It can manage to rank better than Terry page :confused:

                  How is it possible it got PR 7? GA home page is only 6 and even it pass all the page rank over, it should only get 6.

                  And there is only 3 backlinks. And those 3 backlinks have PR 0 with non related anchor text. (Refer to screenshot 2 from market samurai)

                  Anyone have any comments? As a newbie in SEO, this really makes me confused. It really go against all the stuffs I have learnt about SEO. Thanks in advance.
                  Hi E,

                  Welcome to the world of reporting tools discrepancies e.g.



                  Also both GoArticles and EZA have homepage domain PR6 so that PR7 was weird.

                  That GoArticle I'm up against has well over 2900 backlinks, not 3 as the pic above SEO Spyglass (Enterprise Edition - the daddy) reveals.

                  This is still not all of the backlinks and ALSO proves that when tools like Keyword Elite and Micro Niche Finder suggest that a Keyword is "Easy" (Green Light), don't believe them at face value!

                  This also proves E how important thorough keyword research is with a variety of tools BEFORE committing to a keyword...
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                Hi Pat,

                You can point Scrapebox at your money pages (and I do) but it also seems like a brilliant way to supercharge the Web 2.0 profiles connected to your Backlink Booster setup.

                I'll let my Backlinking Partner Tom Goodwin answer your other Scrapebox questions - he's a certified Scrapebox addict! Tom, where are you?
                In addition, I love to throw links at pages of my at things like Twitter (connected to my backlink booster). According to yahoo site explorer, Twitter has over 1 billion incoming links, so i doubt google will mind my few coming in.
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          • Profile picture of the author medway
            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

            Hi Franco,


            Interesting to note that the high ranking site is "crappy" - there goes the quality content myth hey Franco!
            Very true, in one of my niches a page is ranking on page 1 and all its got on the page that ranks is a bunch of links to other pages on that site.

            It much be ranking purely from the 1-2k of links it's got.

            Conversely though I'm also testing whether longer copy with more keyword variations rank better. Right now my site in that niche has about 3-400 words per page. I've tried optimizing different pages for all the plural variations of my niche, thinking I'd be able to grab the top spots that way.

            Turns out one of the highest ranking pages in that niche has at least 4-5 variations of the same keyword all at #1 or #2, and its a blogspot page to boot with around 290 links, outranking my exact match .org which is at #5 with about 60 links,

            He has a massive amount of content on that page compared to mine, about 6500 words compared to my 600.

            I'm going to try making longer pages with more variations now instead of going the lazer focus route.

            It dawned on me the google would probably rather rank the same page for all the variations of a keyword (im taking plural and in this case its a two word phrase so there are at least 5-6 ways to say the same thing just by added es or 's or s at the end of the words) if it deems that one the authority.

            I know some people say singular and plural can have two different search intentions but I'm not sure it does in all cases.

            I realize in many cases link volume can supersede content in ranking power but I do want to see what effect content can have on its own.
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        • Profile picture of the author medway
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Could be that Google is trying to discourage .edu linkspamming.

          I see the heavyweights on Page 1 for "insurance" going after thousands of .edu backlinks and I try to look at the most competitive keywords pretty often for patterns there.

          More testing needed huh J?
          Yes I always take what Matt says with a grain of salt as I know a lot of it is just attempts as damage control. He also states no TLD's are given favour although most people seem to think the major 3 are what to shoot for.

          I've actually not bothered with .edus yet but I will give them a shot. You see plenty of spammers hijacking edu domains in the pharma serps and I'd assume that the same authority that lends them to that purpose would also extend to being helpful for getting stronger backlinks.\

          But yes some testing in that area will be on my checklist. I've just pointed some scrapebox links to a site and will see what affect those have, then Ill try some profile links and then finally edu.

          I might even do separate pages with similar competition with each one using a different link type, similar to what you've done.. I know things should be mixed up (well thats the theory at least) but I'm curious to see if even using a single type shows a preference with google from the start.

          Then start mixing them to see if thats even more effective as although people say to mix up links I'm not sure if there's been a test to actually prove that or if it's more due to what seems intuitive.
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      • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
        Terry,

        So are you saying that you don't point Scrapebox links at your money pages?

        Additionally, can you elaborate and your exact method when it comes to Scrapebox? How many blog comments/trackbacks etc do you create on a daily or weekly basis?

        I just bought the software a couple of days ago and it's extremely powerful, so I'd love to hear how someone who has been using it for a while is going about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        This is a crude depiction of it Jesse and you could throw in my RSS>autoblogposting method as well:


        Obviously signature links can be bought/rented elsewhere too if you wanted hundreds of additional backlinks to BB-driven Web 2.0 profile sites where your new packets backlinks are linked to each month.

        Once set up, it's basically 2 clicks with Backlink Booster for the whole chain to be linked with each newly created backlink.
        Thanks for the clarification. Where it says backlink booster specific web2.0 sites I assume these are the sites that you have run backlink booster on, not the actual backlink booster backlinks themselves?
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  • Profile picture of the author samcarson
    Hi Terry

    I have a couple of questions.

    What is the effect of outbound links on a page? I am using UAW's plugin for auto content on a wordpress blog. It is around 70% unique, each post has 2 links and I get around 3-4 posts a day.

    Can I use Scrapebox to index my profiles in batches, say 25 profiles a day and around 200 harvested blogs or sites?

    Thanks

    Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by samcarson View Post


      Can I use Scrapebox to index my profiles in batches, say 25 profiles a day and around 200 harvested blogs or sites?

      Thanks

      Sam

      I have considered that as well. I think you would need many more harvested blogs though. I would aim for something like 50-100 per profile page. It really is really easy to harvest. That being said, I have had such a high success rate with backlink booster that I haven't really needed to. One possibility though is:

      (1) boost a site with backlink booster;
      (2) come back 2 weeks later and use scrapebox to see if the pages are indexed or not;
      (3) then send comments to only the non-indexed pages.

      Just my $.02.

      What i do when i'm harvesting blogs, is plug in 20 or so random words that I create from here:

      Random Word Generator (Plus)

      It is amazing how hard it is for me to come up with random words myself.
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      • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        What i do when i'm harvesting blogs, is plug in 20 or so random words that I create from here:

        Random Word Generator (Plus)

        It is amazing how hard it is for me to come up with random words myself.
        So you don't try to comment on niche related blogs?

        For the most part I've just been trying to think of 15-20 random keywords related to my niche and using that to harvest blogs.

        I suppose given I'm using very generic comments generating random words might be a better option.

        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        In addition, I love to throw links at pages of my at things like Twitter (connected to my backlink booster). According to yahoo site explorer, Twitter has over 1 billion incoming links, so i doubt google will mind my few coming in.
        Yep, this is what I was going to say.

        I don't point ScrapeBox links at my profile links. Instead, I've added all of my Backlink Booster profiles to my "ScrapeBox Master List" and point links at them instead.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

          So you don't try to comment on niche related blogs?
          I don't put much stock in relevancy. I'm really just trying to get the links
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          • Profile picture of the author medway
            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

            I don't put much stock in relevancy. I'm really just trying to get the links
            Relevancy as far as link power doesn't seem to make a difference, the only advantage of going on relevant blogs is that you can try to make less generic comments for more stickyness.

            One thing I like about scrapebox is if you manually submit comments to the high pr pages it autofills in your comments for most of the blogs. That way you can try to make more valuable comments on the high pr pages fairly quickly.
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            • Profile picture of the author turbohips
              Originally Posted by medway View Post

              Relevancy as far as link power doesn't seem to make a difference, the only advantage of going on relevant blogs is that you can try to make less generic comments for more stickyness.

              One thing I like about scrapebox is if you manually submit comments to the high pr pages it autofills in your comments for most of the blogs. That way you can try to make more valuable comments on the high pr pages fairly quickly.

              You could do a search for celebrities and post how much you love them etc so it will look relevant.
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              • Profile picture of the author James Foster
                Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

                You could do a search for celebrities and post how much you love them etc so it will look relevant.
                Works like a charm too
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              • Profile picture of the author medway
                Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

                You could do a search for celebrities and post how much you love them etc so it will look relevant.
                Ya good tip, there's actually quite a lot of ways to post relevant links like this once you brainstorm up some ideas based off of all the niches that are out there.
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                  Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

                  You could do a search for celebrities and post how much you love them etc so it will look relevant.
                  I think searching for celebrities is a good way. I also like to search for movies, tv shows, and current events. You can make general statements that are relevant to hundreds of blogs very easily.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
                    Hi Terry, I have read a lot in this thread about backlinking backlinks such as goarticles, web 2.0 stuff etc.

                    Over the last year I did a lot of bulk article and pr submissions. For example I would submit the same article to 300+ directories or to 100+pr sites.

                    When I check these now I see that my articles on sites such as ezinearticles are no longer cached in google. This is surprising as I presumed it was the best article directory so now im thinking my article was cached on another article site quicker so that became the original article source and google disregarded the rest as duplicates.

                    so if I do a quotes search for one of my articles in google using the article title should I build links for whatever site is number one and presume that google sees that as the original article?

                    so my (long winded) question is how to I choose which article site to build backlinks to when I have done these bulk submissions?

                    also have you found any press release sites easier to rank than others? prlog etc

                    Thanks
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                    • Profile picture of the author Doug D
                      I'll let Terry answer your question.

                      I just wanted to mention a couple things to ya.

                      #1 - G. does not automatically assume that the first article it finds...is the original source(Assuming its all over the place). They would look at the link structure as a more likely determining factor for original source.

                      #2 - G. is looking at urls/pages, and if you had the exact same article out there on 100 different domains - Do not assume that G. determines that 99 of those are duplicates. There are many other pieces of content on most pages, and G. is not able to conclude 'duplicate' on all duplicates.

                      A top "seo" that I know and respect...tells me that his extensive testing revealed that G. passed 'approximately' 25 - 30% of duplicate articles....as unique. Of course, that assumes that they are out there in random places, and there is other miscellaneous ads, and content on the pages where the articles reside. Just say'n.



                      Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

                      Hi Terry, I have read a lot in this thread about backlinking backlinks such as goarticles, web 2.0 stuff etc.

                      Over the last year I did a lot of bulk article and pr submissions. For example I would submit the same article to 300+ directories or to 100+pr sites.

                      When I check these now I see that my articles on sites such as ezinearticles are no longer cached in google. This is surprising as I presumed it was the best article directory so now im thinking my article was cached on another article site quicker so that became the original article source and google disregarded the rest as duplicates.

                      so if I do a quotes search for one of my articles in google using the article title should I build links for whatever site is number one and presume that google sees that as the original article?

                      so my (long winded) question is how to I choose which article site to build backlinks to when I have done these bulk submissions?

                      Thanks
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
                        Thanks Doug, interesting stuff, im not sure what you mean by this - "They would look at the link structure as a more likely determining factor for original source"
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        I have considered that as well. I think you would need many more harvested blogs though. I would aim for something like 50-100 per profile page. It really is really easy to harvest. That being said, I have had such a high success rate with backlink booster that I haven't really needed to. One possibility though is:
        Interesting, so BB is pretty useful then? I'm on the fence as I'm waiting to see what Stephen Hawkins comes out with for run alongside his seo link dominator to get profiles indexed.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by medway View Post

          Interesting, so BB is pretty useful then? I'm on the fence as I'm waiting to see what Stephen Hawkins comes out with for run alongside his seo link dominator to get profiles indexed.
          I wouldn't put up a profile link now without running it through BB. It is just a waste of time otheways.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Hey Terry,

    Just to confirm is the diagram you depicted the funnel/system you use for your backlink strategy.

    Also is this all explained in your backlinks black belt WSO?

    All the best,
    Gee
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  • Profile picture of the author eidorian
    Terry, i do not have seo spyglass. May I ask what data source did seo spyglass used? the different for the backlinks is far too great.

    so far that screenshot is based on yahoo site explorer data. even google only shows a few backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Terry, i do not have seo spyglass. May I ask what data source did seo spyglass used? the different for the backlinks is far too great.
    seo spyglass pulls links from many sources from yahoo and google to lesser known search engines. just about anyplace that can be searched for backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    I have a huge tip for everyone using scrapebox. When creating your names file, make all the names your keywords and guess what, all of your links will now be anchor text. Just make sure that your names are only two words. Hit the thanks button lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      The problem with that is a lot of them don't get accepted.

      I use 2-3 real names, 2 keywords and 1 variation of both. For example, "The Acne Guy" or something to that effect.

      I ran through Scrapebox yesterday for one keyword with a very generic comment and I've had about 5-6 emails from people saying thanks for the comments so they are getting accepted.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

        The problem with that is a lot of them don't get accepted.

        I use 2-3 real names, 2 keywords and 1 variation of both. For example, "The Acne Guy" or something to that effect.

        I ran through Scrapebox yesterday for one keyword with a very generic comment and I've had about 5-6 emails from people saying thanks for the comments so they are getting accepted.
        I've had that too. That's not as funny as this (off topic, sorry guys, but funny as hell).

        I have many xfactor type adsense sites. Anyways, 2 of them target snowblower stuff, and each are on the first page of google. in the past month, i've had about 10 emails from folks (who used the "contact me" plugin through wordpress) looking for particular snowblower parts. I guess they think my site is an authority.:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author medway
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      I have a huge tip for everyone using scrapebox. When creating your names file, make all the names your keywords and guess what, all of your links will now be anchor text. Just make sure that your names are only two words. Hit the thanks button lol.
      Thats pretty much the way you're supposed to use it in the first place. I would hope anyone using a mass comment tool would know that already.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by medway View Post

        Thats pretty much the way you're supposed to use it in the first place. I would hope anyone using a mass comment tool would know that already.
        Actually I would hope that anyone who has done any blog commenting (whether mass commenting or not) understands that your name is your anchored link
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        • Profile picture of the author medway
          Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

          Actually I would hope that anyone who has done any blog commenting (whether mass commenting or not) understands that your name is your anchored link
          exactly my point. its always a good idea to fully test out how a platform works first before moving to any type of mass automation of posting to that platform so mistakes in the learning process don't get multiplied.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Realistically so many of these sites are getting bombed by spammers and I've found a lot go un-managed. Some are on auto accept so I'm getting as many freebies as possible. It only takes minutes to get them posted so why not try.
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      It's obviously something that you'd have to test and test to see if it makes a difference.

      I've got a good system in place for using ScrapeBox now.

      I create a huge list of all of the URL's I want backlinks to. For example, all my money pages, web 2.0 pages, videos, articles, etc. and I also add new url's to the list whenever I create them.

      I then print the list off and submit Wordpress and Movable Blog comments and Wordpress Trackbacks to each of the url's one by one.

      After I've been through the whole list I print off another copy (With whatever new pages I want backlinks to added) and start again.

      I think this works well because I'm never submitting all of my links to the one site in any given day.
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      • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
        Pat, do you just put the whole list of URL's into ScrapeBox and let it alternate to all of them. Or do you do one submission per URL. If the latter, doesn't it take an awful long time to do your whole list?
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        • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
          I do one url at a time.

          You're right, it would take a lot of time to do every url every day, so I don't do that. I do anywhere from 5-10 url's a day usually and then cross them off my list.

          Each day I continue to do that until there are no more url's left to be crossed off, then I start again.

          I don't want to do any individual url any more than that as one run through Wordpress/Movable and Trackbacks usually creates several thousand backlinks so I don't want to do it too frequently.

          On average it probably works out that I'm doing each url 3-4 times a month which is a good number, I think.

          Also, I never ping the url's I've left comments on or use the RSS feature. I think doing each url a few times a month and letting Google find all of those links themselves gradually is the best way to go about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by LIndaB View Post

          Pat, do you just put the whole list of URL's into ScrapeBox and let it alternate to all of them. Or do you do one submission per URL. If the latter, doesn't it take an awful long time to do your whole list?
          For me it really depends on what i'm trying to accomplish.

          (1) for a few sites like twitter that i really tried to jack up, I did them individually to get as many links as I could.

          (2) for most of my pages, I put in say 5 links, which is a number that works good for me.

          (3) for my existing sites that i'm not really trying to jack up that much, I might have up to 50 websites listed, as i'm just trying to give them some consistent google "love" that would be hard for me to do individually.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    Terry,

    I see a lot of EzineArticles articles get top spots at Google for high competition keywords. I tried to check backlinks by using both Site Explorer - Yahoo! Site Explorer and Backlinks Checker Tool - Backlink Watch tools.

    Site Explorer - Yahoo! Site Explorer never shows backlinks for the EZA. And Backlinks Checker Tool - Backlink Watch only displays 100 first backlinks.

    For GoArticles.com and other article directories, I can see the backlinks up to 1,000 spots at both Site Explorer - Yahoo! Site Explorer and Backlinks Checker Tool - Backlink Watch.

    This is strange. Can you explain about this?

    Which is tool able to check the backlinks for EZA?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    If you use the SEOQuake Firefox plugin you can access the EZA backlinks (including Yahoo Site Explorer) from there. Click the appropriate question mark and it will show the number, click and again and it loads the YSE.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    Does the amount of words really make a difference? I haven't checked lately, but I've used 3 and 4 word phrases in the name box and still got the links posted...
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    thanks so much
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    I don't worry much about relevant sites when I'm using scrapebox, personally. I think of it like I think of profile links... You don't worry about those being niche specific do you?

    PS - I've gotten really high acceptance rates from cooking blogs... just saying
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      Yeah, that's a good point.

      I think I'm going to compile a list of about 100 niches and then just pick one each time I use ScrapeBox and randomly choose 15-20 keywords.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Lots of great discussion on Scrapebox here - thank you Warriors. I really have to spend more time with that amazing tool.

        Just to elaborate on a Backlink Booster spinoff method I was discussing with Jesse previously (don't think I explained it very well).

        One of the key elements to making Backlink Booster super powerful is by ensuring that the Web 2.0 properties in Ping.fm and/or OnlyWire (if you're using that) where our original backlinks have been backlinked (already confusing isn't it?) are getting crawled by Google constantly.

        There are (at least) 2 extra possible ways to do this (this is theoretical, I haven't done the research yet, by the way):

        [1] Take a look at the Ping.fm/OnlyWire 'menu' of Web 2.0 properties e.g.


        and see if any have something like a "Most Viewed" or "Top 10" etc list.

        We then apply Warrior Mario Brown's awesome EZA WSO and get our accounts there on to those lists (the costs are laughably low to using his methods).

        As we now have a high profile link to our account with all our Angela/PJ/My links there, we are much more likely to get constantly crawled and possibly indexed. This is using one part of a different system to add power to something else e.g.


        [2] Another option is to pick out say 5 of our Web 2.0 profiles from the Ping.fm/Onlywire list and place a link to them in the 2nd line of our Warrior Forum signature (leaving the top line for our main offer) e.g.


        I know from Google Alerts that Warrior Forum posts get picked up pretty fast so that should also get those spiders crawling your 5 selected Ping.fm/OnlyWire sites where all your Backlink Boosted profile links have been added.

        You could so the same with your RSS>Autoblogpost sites.

        At least that's the theory!

        I will also be writing about a (seemingly) ridiculously easy way to give your site a big PageRank boost (which you could want for sale/indexing/de-sandboxing reasons) using a couple of variations on something I've just discovered in the last 24 hours (in my free time from getting ready for the next WSO launch with Tom Goodwin!). If you are on my list here, you can read all about it and it won't cost a penny!
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        • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
          Tom,

          Could you further explain some of the methods you are using with backlink boost or will that be part of your WSO?

          and speaking of blboost... what do you do when you have a large # of backlinks to boost, say 1000+.

          Thanks,

          Chris
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          • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
            I'm not Tom, but I can answer this part.

            Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

            and speaking of blboost... what do you do when you have a large # of backlinks to boost, say 1000+.

            Thanks,

            Chris
            I only bought Backlink Booster a few days ago and that was one of my first questions to Sean. I have several thousand profile url's that I need to "Boost" so I wasn't sure how often to do so.

            Sean said that they are currently creating something that will allow you to enter all of your url's and the script will "boost" them at a rate of a few a day.

            He said it will be ready within a week so I'm waiting until it is before I start using it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
            Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

            Tom,

            Could you further explain some of the methods you are using with backlink boost or will that be part of your WSO?

            and speaking of blboost... what do you do when you have a large # of backlinks to boost, say 1000+.

            Thanks,

            Chris

            I'm putting together a video for the WSO.., and actually plan to put together a "test" run to see how many profile backlinks I can get indexed in 24 hours, 48 hours, and 7 days.

            but for backlink boosting generally..

            Really, what i've been doing is focusing my effort on the ping.fm sites that list out at least your last 10 tweets, notices, updates, etc. Some don't really post much, or might post 1 at a time or something. There are maybe 12-15 of these solid sites that have good listings of all of your previous

            These are my "go to" sites. I have been throwing tons of links at them with scrapebox. They each have at least a couple thousand links, with twitter >10k now. I have found that google is crawling these sites like mad now, and picking up my links quickly. I then submit to to the social bookmarking sites. Onlywire can work well, although I have Bookmarking Demon so I figure that I might as well use that as it is so powerful. A few times a week I just load up all of my links and post them to the bookmark sites that don't require captcha (so I can do it while i sleep).

            One addition thought, which I haven't had a chance to do as I'm crazy busy:rolleyes:

            Is..since we use ping.fm now (unlike the old twitterfeed setup), why not go ahead and use twitter feed *also*, and then create new accounts at those 12-15 "go to" sites, and ram your RSS feed through that again. So, you have 2 twitter accounts, 2 identi.ca accounts, etc. Maybe you could do this in an endless circle, i'm not sure.

            As far as boosting large numbers...

            I have found I can do 100 in a sitting pretty quickly and easily while watching TV or something. So, when I first started with booster (and I had to do "catch up" with my old links), I put all of my links to boost in one txt file, and boosted them in manageable groups, and deleted them from the txt file once boosted. Now that I am caught up, I just boost daily.

            One other option I am toying with is outsourcing. I have been using a group of outsourcers to help me with backlink research and i'm thinking of designating one of them as a 100% booster, and just installing the "boost it" into his firefox, and send all of the links created to him and he can just boost them all.
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        • Profile picture of the author medway
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Lots of great discussion on Scrapebox here - thank you Warriors. I really have to spend more time with that amazing tool.

          Just to elaborate on a Backlink Booster spinoff method I was discussing with Jesse previously (don't think I explained it very well).

          One of the key elements to making Backlink Booster super powerful is by ensuring that the Web 2.0 properties in Ping.fm and/or OnlyWire (if you're using that) where our original backlinks have been backlinked (already confusing isn't it?) are getting crawled by Google constantly.



          I will also be writing about a (seemingly) ridiculously easy way to give your site a big PageRank boost (which you could want for sale/indexing/de-sandboxing reasons) using a couple of variations on something I've just discovered in the last 24 hours (in my free time from getting ready for the next WSO launch with Tom Goodwin!). If you are on my list here, you can read all about it and it won't cost a penny!
          That makes sense Terry,thanks for posting. Look forward to the report as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author adryn
    great experiment..im following all the posts....nice initiative
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Remember playing those old school video games where you have to use combos to score big? Well I'm getting the feeling that's exactly what we are all talking about now a days. To really do well we should use the back link builder with scrapebox and phpBB software. This triple combo would help squeeze the maximum amount of link juice and do so very quickly. I'm still working on a few experiments that are panning out quite well and I'll share with you guys once I give it enough time to judge my outcome.
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    enjoying these golden nuggets, awesome thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author markiliz
    So what are the results of the experiments? It's been 60 days....
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    Go back a few pages and READ... Terry already gave his results.
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    • Profile picture of the author markiliz
      Originally Posted by James Foster View Post

      Go back a few pages and READ... Terry already gave his results.
      I just want the data, not the backstory. Is there a link or anything?
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    lazy people never get rewarded lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    I need something like this as I do not have a clue what I am doing, cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author SmartEntrepreneur
    That is a pretty awesome experiment. And, very duplicatable.

    I am interested in the same type of experiment using video links... like through videomogul or something to see exactly how much weight the video links have on seo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Thanks Doug - I'll have to put you on the payroll if you keep that up!

      Just a quick update on the Yeast Infection articles/site progress to demonstrate a few things:

      [1] Be patient and persistent with a small number of individual articles (don't write hundreds of them!) and use approaches like Mario Brown's EZA WSO, very cool.

      [2] Work across a few niches or niches-within-niches as some are duds money-wise (like yeast infections?!)

      [3] When SEO Tools suggest that a keyword is "Easy" (Green Light), that still means that it could be 3-4 months before you get a stable position on Page 1. I guess by that measure, "Hard" must be several years!

      GoArticle 1 (Yeast Infection Home Remedy):


      GoArticle 2 (How To Get Rid Of A Yeast Infection)


      GoArticle 3 (Recurring Yeast Infections)


      Test 4 (New WP Site - was never in top 200 until a few days ago, that's progress!) (Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection)



      ArticlesBase Test (Using Steve Morgan's SLS System at start) (Causes Of Yeast Infections)


      It is also nice to see that my Inner Page WP post is up to here for the term: backlinks:


      Tom Goodwin and I are still fine tuning the proverbial nuts and bolts of our monthly backlinks WSO so apologies for not responding here or to PMs as much as usual - normal service resumed shortly!
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    @Dennis - I think what Doug was talking about is that G would look at what links go to that article and work it's way backwards to find which one came first.

    Kinda like start at the end of a maze and going back out to the beginning.
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  • Profile picture of the author tijay
    Thanks for all the great info Terry. I have followed your strategy for GoArticle 1 and I have an article slowly moving up the SERPS for a moderately competitive term. Right now on page 2 and moving.

    Your point number [3] is right on the money. Take the "green light" with a grain of salt. Always do more research than what one tool tells you.

    Awesome stuff! I will continue to follow this thread everyday.

    Still waiting patiently for your much anticipated WSO

    TiJay
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug D
    Thanks for the thanks, guys

    Ya, I was just say'n that G. is quite proficient at determining original source, 'usually'. It is pretty easily done by taking a pool of the ones that are deemed duplicate, and seeing which url has the most backlinks going to it from those other dup url locales - As oppose to first discovered = original source.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
      sorry guys, i'm not getting this.

      why would any of my articles have links from each other?

      Do you mean checking which article sites are linking to my main site which was in the author box using site explorer or something?

      Apologies for my slowness here:confused:


      Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

      Thanks for the thanks, guys

      Ya, I was just say'n that G. is quite proficient at determining original source, 'usually'. It is pretty easily done by taking a pool of the ones that are deemed duplicate, and seeing which url has the most backlinks going to it from those other dup url locales - As oppose to first discovered = original source.
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      • Profile picture of the author Doug D
        I was just talking about having 100 of the same article out on the web. Simply saying that G. does not automatically assume the first one discovered...is the original. And, that G. does not see all duplicates as duplicates, thats it.



        Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

        sorry guys, i'm not getting this.

        why would any of my articles have links from each other?

        Do you mean checking which article sites are linking to my main site which was in the author box using site explorer or something?

        Apologies for my slowness here:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Caneman
    This thread has inspired me to experiment and make by own backlink booster, this is what I am playing with:

    1) Tweet all of the successful url profiles; I wrote a vba program that auto emails the list of urls and tweets them one by one, takes about 10 seconds

    2) Make rss feeds of each url using feedage's bulk submitter (a one time cut and paste), then mash then into groups of 20 using htlm2rss, and blast the mingled rss feeds using rssbot

    3) I read somewhere that if you post about an hour per day on your blogger blog, and do this for about one week, G will start crawling every post on it in about 5 minutes. So that is what i did after writing another vba auto email poster to the blog for the weeks worth of postings. Then after writing one more vba program that emails a post with all the urls in them to the blog, I ping it, then I check it in about 5 minutes on G using "site:myblog.blogspot.com" and sure enough G has already indexed the post within 5 minutes!

    4) Take the url from the blogger post and blast using SocialBot.

    I have been doing this for about a week, so I don't really have any data yet to see how well it works, but I know this, that I did this with 30 backlinks today, and 20 of them showed up as a backlink using SEO spyglass about 20 minutes later after using my home made booster... this has yet to translate into SERP juice, but TK says give it two months so that is what I am going to do!
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug D
      That's pretty incredible that you achieved a 66% cache in 20 minutes

      Did you by chance run them prior to sending em through your 'index drivers'? (to check for cache). I do a little better than 75%, but it usually happens between 12-ish and 48-ish hrs.

      I get 100's every week, and by the time I check them...usually at least a few days after my outsourcers have set them up, I end up with 10 to 15-ish% cached, approx.

      1st - I filter out the urls that don't link to my site (no matter how good the outsourcer, your always going to have some kind of attrition rate after 3 to 7 days) It only takes about 30-ish seconds per hundred, so I recommend that step.

      2nd - I run the good urls (usually 90 to 95-ish%) to see which ones are cached.
      Now I have a list of good urls that are not cached.
      3rd - I take that batch and convert them into hyperlinks (via software), and then.....
      4th - They get pasted into my automagical supercombulator index driver system. From there on...it's full auto pilot.

      I have a number of them, and several of them pretty consistently get cached within seconds of each post.
      Even though I have several sites (urls) that are getting cached with every new post that appears (and those posts include a few converted profile urls, each), I typically observe those profile urls not getting cached until between 12 and 48 hrs.

      Just my observations.

      P.S. - If your anal enough(like me) to check the time stamp on the cache (only for testing purposes), then know that G.'s time stamp is in Greenwich time, which is 6hrs. ahead of me, in Chicago, for example.




      Originally Posted by Caneman View Post

      This thread has inspired me to experiment and make by own backlink booster, this is what I am playing with:

      1) Tweet all of the successful url profiles; I wrote a vba program that auto emails the list of urls and tweets them one by one, takes about 10 seconds

      2) Make rss feeds of each url using feedage's bulk submitter (a one time cut and paste), then mash then into groups of 20 using htlm2rss, and blast the mingled rss feeds using rssbot

      3) I read somewhere that if you post about an hour per day on your blogger blog, and do this for about one week, G will start crawling every post on it in about 5 minutes. So that is what i did after writing another vba auto email poster to the blog for the weeks worth of postings. Then after writing one more vba program that emails a post with all the urls in them to the blog, I ping it, then I check it in about 5 minutes on G using "site:myblog.blogspot.com" and sure enough G has already indexed the post within 5 minutes!

      4) Take the url from the blogger post and blast using SocialBot.

      I have been doing this for about a week, so I don't really have any data yet to see how well it works, but I know this, that I did this with 30 backlinks today, and 20 of them showed up as a backlink using SEO spyglass about 20 minutes later after using my home made booster... this has yet to translate into SERP juice, but TK says give it two months so that is what I am going to do!
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  • Profile picture of the author jkovats
    Terry, I never had time to read everything in this entire thread, just the set up, a couple in between, and glancing at the results. What I would like to see is 3 or 4 different sites, different content, same subject/theme, competing for the same keywords using the different methods and see who comes iup first or which wins the race. I see in the results, the discrpancies in # of results between niches. ie, easier to get ranked in 2.5 million vs 40 million. If you or anyone had found the time to tackle this, the good news is you would end up dominating your nich with probably 4 of the top 15 - 20 spots! Thoughts anyone??
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    • Profile picture of the author 4514
      Terry

      Good stuff mate - just tested the latest recommendation as per your mail on a brand spanking new site and it has zoomed up to page 3 on G from nowhere. Keep it going buddy and looking forward to the new venture coming soon.

      On a side note in case anyone is interested: I am selling a blog link network of 70 blogs.

      The paid link is here:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/complete...pfxvIxdTSkZofs

      This is for Warriors only please - not outsiders.

      Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    Ranking a brand new site you say??? Do tell
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  • Profile picture of the author lowjo
    I wish I had something really good to add to this discussion but then again could you really ask for much more?

    Very, very nice work Terry. If you happen to land in New Zealand sometime I'd love to buy you a beer (or 24).

    I'll be testing out some of the tips everyone shared in this thread, the hard work and great advice you all have given here is the beginning - now time to take action.
    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven_7c
    A question about profile links. I notice that some profiles are not publicly visible, you have to log in before you can read profiles.

    Can the google bots still read the links in these types of profiles or is it a waste of time to put links in these types of forums?
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      It's a waste of time. Only go after sites that leave your profiles publicly visible.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

        It's a waste of time. Only go after sites that leave your profiles publicly visible.
        Exactamundo. That's why with new sites its important to copy your profile URL, log out, paste the URL back into your browser and confirm that you can indeed see the profile while not logged in.

        Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author seye
    hello here,
    please i need list of unmoderated article directories such as go article. thanks looking around
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  • Profile picture of the author JDCopper
    Every time I try backlink booster is says "Launching Soon". Am I missing something?
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      Yes. BacklinkBooster.com is not the product they're talking about.

      This is.
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  • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
    Terry,

    To echo all the sentiments of everyone else. Thanks for the this thread. It has been so helpful and a goldmine of great information. I have a new website launching in the next week or so this info and your product will be invaluable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    2 months of hard work.......$75 of profit. Shows how important it is to pick a good product.

    But thanks for doing it. I think I learned something...much went over my head. But on those figures, maybe I will just get a job. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author badcow
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      2 months of hard work.......$75 of profit. Shows how important it is to pick a good product.

      But thanks for doing it. I think I learned something...much went over my head. But on those figures, maybe I will just get a job. lol
      I can certainly empathize!! Been there - done that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Walter Avis
    Thank you Terry, I came across this post a few days ago and saved it on my hard drive. Its been a really eye opener.
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  • Profile picture of the author mozesteven
    I always back to this thread to see again the tips from Terry. Thank you Terry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
    anyone have trouble getting phpbb forum links indexed? several of mine seem to be cached but not indexed. Have not had this problem with other forums. Using bbl booster and a few other things.

    Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

      anyone have trouble getting phpbb forum links indexed? several of mine seem to be cached but not indexed. Have not had this problem with other forums. Using bbl booster and a few other things.

      Cheers.

      Hi Dennis-

      I have a question on the terminology you are using. How can a site be cached, but not indexed? (and if it could, how would you know, because it wouldn't be in the index).

      In my estimation the order for Google goes:

      Crawl --> Index --> Cache

      Once I figure out what's really going on i can add some insight.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
        Thanks for the reply Tom. That's what I always figured myself so i'm confused by this.

        say for example i was checking to see if your profile here was indexed and i copied it into google - http ://www.warriorforum.com/members/tom-goodwin.html and got no results

        however i then visited your profile url and checked googles cache using the toolbar and it was there. I'm seeing this at the moment with several phpbb sites.


        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        Hi Dennis-

        I have a question on the terminology you are using. How can a site be cached, but not indexed? (and if it could, how would you know, because it wouldn't be in the index).

        In my estimation the order for Google goes:

        Crawl --> Index --> Cache

        Once I figure out what's really going on i can add some insight.

        Tom
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

          Thanks for the reply Tom. That's what I always figured myself so i'm confused by this.

          say for example i was checking to see if your profile here was indexed and i copied it into google - http ://www.warriorforum.com/members/tom-goodwin.html and got no results

          however i then visited your profile url and checked googles cache using the toolbar and it was there. I'm seeing this at the moment with several phpbb sites.
          I never knew you could do that I do think that throwing more links at the sites with something like ping.fm though can only help.

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        • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
          Try it without the http:// then it will show up in G, not sure why it does this but have noticed this on URL checking in the past.


          Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

          Thanks for the reply Tom. That's what I always figured myself so i'm confused by this.

          say for example i was checking to see if your profile here was indexed and i copied it into google - http ://www.warriorforum.com/members/tom-goodwin.html and got no results

          however i then visited your profile url and checked googles cache using the toolbar and it was there. I'm seeing this at the moment with several phpbb sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
            Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

            Try it without the http:// then it will show up in G, not sure why it does this but have noticed this on URL checking in the past.
            not showing for me i'm afraid. It suggests to me that google is finding these links but consigning them to some junk index of no worth. Really do not wanna waste time on these links if they are worthless.


            btw...not meaning to hijack yer thread with this stuff guys just thought if anyone has experience of forum indexing then it would be here. Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author netbizer
              Hi guys! how would we know exactly whether a forum or community site has Do follow links? thanks!
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by netbizer View Post

                Hi guys! how would we know exactly whether a forum or community site has Do follow links? thanks!
                Hi Netbizer,

                One way is to install the free SEO for Firefox plugin from here:

                SEO for Firefox Extension: Free SEO Toolbar Firefox Browser Plugin

                switch it on and visit the sites in question. If the links are nofollow, you will see these red boxes:

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                • Profile picture of the author netbizer
                  Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                  Hi Netbizer,

                  One way is to install the free SEO for Firefox plugin from here:

                  SEO for Firefox Extension: Free SEO Toolbar Firefox Browser Plugin

                  switch it on and visit the sites in question. If the links are nofollow, you will see these red boxes:


                  thanks for the reply Terry. this thread is great but could be really overwhelming for newbies like me.he he. Nevertheless with enough effort,persistence and dedication (and with the help of the pros in this forum) anyone can do good in IM. cheers!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
                    Guys, here is one I have been thinking about which ye may have already covered.

                    Forum Links vs Blog/social type site links e.g - http://my.telegraph.co.uk/

                    There is a mix in most link packages of the various forum links (vb etc) and then these other type of sites such as the telegraph one.

                    Have you noticed a difference in how powerful forum links are compared to http://my.telegraph.co.uk/ type links?
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                Originally Posted by netbizer View Post

                Hi guys! how would we know exactly whether a forum or community site has Do follow links? thanks!
                Step 1: Go to someone's profile that has links in it

                Step 2: Use one of the many firefox SEO addons. I prefer SEO Quake. When this plugin is on, there is an option to have all nofollow links on the page appear with a strikethrough through them.


                Alternatively if you are looking at backlinks to a particular page, I believe backlinkwatch.com (free) will tell you if the link is nofollow or not. Or, you can use SEO Spyglass (the best paid tool for analyzing a sites backlinks) will tell you if the link is nofollow.

                Tomo
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                • Profile picture of the author ztws
                  Great information in this thread. I'm trying to catch up with everything. I will say that SEO for Firefox is a plugin that no IMer should be without.
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            • Profile picture of the author medway
              Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

              not showing for me i'm afraid. It suggests to me that google is finding these links but consigning them to some junk index of no worth. Really do not wanna waste time on these links if they are worthless.


              btw...not meaning to hijack yer thread with this stuff guys just thought if anyone has experience of forum indexing then it would be here. Thanks

              Showing up fine here:

              http://www.warriorforum.com/members/tom-goodwin.html - Google Search
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
                that was just an example

                Originally Posted by medway View Post

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                • Profile picture of the author medway
                  Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

                  that was just an example
                  Example of what though? Its a cached page that also shows in the index as expected.

                  Have you got an example that shows otherwise?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
                    I was just using toms profile as an example as he thought I may have my terminology mixed up. Here is an example of a profile that is cached but not indexed.

                    Originally Posted by medway View Post

                    Example of what though? Its a cached page that also shows in the index as expected.

                    Have you got an example that shows otherwise?
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                    • Profile picture of the author medway
                      Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

                      I was just using toms profile as an example as he thought I may have my terminology mixed up. Here is an example of a profile that is cached but not indexed.
                      It is indexed:

                      site:http://www.laoistalk.com + http://carhirefrance.ie/car-hire-carcassonne-airport/ - Google Search
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
                        Thanks. I'm confused, how come it is not indexed for this search? - Google


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                        • Profile picture of the author medway
                          Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

                          Thanks. I'm confused, how come it is not indexed for this search? - Google
                          Good question, for some reason I didn't even try the link on it's own and just went for that search operator string in the first place.

                          Could be something to do with the php nature of the link.

                          If I search for:

                          http://www.google.com/search?q=http:...hl=en&filter=0

                          Then click 'show omitted results' it comes up with about 370 results with what looks like all the profiles (with the mode=viewprofile&u=xxx ).

                          So just something to do with how google is handling dynamic links perhaps in the index.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
                            Thanks for that. It's a good thing to know for people using scrapebox to see if links are indexed as I ran through several phpbb links through it and it said none of them were indexed but I can find them all using your original search operator.


                            Originally Posted by medway View Post

                            Good question, for some reason I didn't even try the link on it's own and just went for that search operator string in the first place.

                            Could be something to do with the php nature of the link.

                            If I search for:

                            http://www.laoistalk.com/forum/profile.php - Google Search

                            Then click 'show omitted results' it comes up with about 370 results with what looks like all the profiles (with the mode=viewprofile&u=xxx ).

                            So just something to do with how google is handling dynamic links perhaps in the index.
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                            • Profile picture of the author medway
                              Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

                              Thanks for that. It's a good thing to know for people using scrapebox to see if links are indexed as I ran through several phpbb links through it and it said none of them were indexed but I can find them all using your original search operator.
                              I agree and glad you pointed this out as I also use Scrapebox so will have to keep this in mind when checking as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

          Thanks for the reply Tom. That's what I always figured myself so i'm confused by this.

          say for example i was checking to see if your profile here was indexed and i copied it into google - http ://www.warriorforum.com/members/tom-goodwin.html and got no results

          however i then visited your profile url and checked googles cache using the toolbar and it was there. I'm seeing this at the moment with several phpbb sites.
          By the way Dennis, I just checked. My profile here is not only indexed, my warriorforum profile ranks #22 for the google search Tom Goodwin.

          Not bad considering their was a baseball player of some merit with that name

          Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
            Sorry Tom, I was only using your profile as an example to explain what I was doing. I seem to be hopeless at explaining myself :rolleyes:

            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

            By the way Dennis, I just checked. My profile here is not only indexed, my warriorforum profile ranks #22 for the google search Tom Goodwin.

            Not bad considering their was a baseball player of some merit with that name

            Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug D
    Tom has the right idea. I would only add that...backlinking your 3rd party blogs will increase G.'s frequency, and likelihood of following and caching your links.

    Furthermore...I would recommend using Blogger, WP and Typepad, as once you get up to large volume....you will end up hitting the spam threshold on Tumblr, L.J. etc.

    Lastly, if you put some thought into it...you should be able to get the whole shebang 98% automated, with content AND your profile urls being published on autopilot. I even have my profile urls being published in nice pretty hyperlinks. No raw urls showing.

    Oh, also - I think it would be - discovery > procure cache copy > evaluation process > main index, sup index or whatever the hell index. More or less. A url could get cached, and not show in the main index. Just my perspective
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

      Lastly, if you put some thought into it...you should be able to get the whole shebang 98% automated, with content AND your profile urls being published on autopilot. I even have my profile urls being published in nice pretty hyperlinks. No raw urls showing.
      Yeah, this is exactly what Backlink Booster does.

      My process now is profile links pointing at my money pages, rss feeds and Backlink Booster ping.fm sites pointing at my profiles and ScrapeBox blog comments pointing at my ping.fm sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Doug D
        Ya, I do the same thing....using S.B. for my index drivers, that is.

        I don't use B.B., though.

        I wanted to control the content that posted to my index drivers, and I wanted a paste-in-autopilot solution to integrate my profile urls (in hyperlink mode) to get added to that content. I'll pm ya one of my blogs so you can see what I'm doing. It's been quite effective, and even looks half-ass respectable. I think :confused:


        Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

        Yeah, this is exactly what Backlink Booster does.

        My process now is profile links pointing at my money pages, rss feeds and Backlink Booster ping.fm sites pointing at my profiles and ScrapeBox blog comments pointing at my ping.fm sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven_7c
        Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

        Yeah, this is exactly what Backlink Booster does.

        My process now is profile links pointing at my money pages, rss feeds and Backlink Booster ping.fm sites pointing at my profiles and ScrapeBox blog comments pointing at my ping.fm sites.

        If all you had was profile links to your money sites then wouldn't that look a little unnatural?

        I thought the current wisdom was to have a variety in the types of links you have.

        A question about that phpbb2 program, that one that autoposts in forums but without text links, is there a way to use that program with a proxy? By default does it use Internet Explorer Browser and would I set up a proxy there? And can you configure your Browser (Win Explorer of Firefox) with multiple proxies like scrapebox does?
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        • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
          Originally Posted by Steven_7c View Post

          If all you had was profile links to your money sites then wouldn't that look a little unnatural?

          I thought the current wisdom was to have a variety in the types of links you have.
          I do have a variety of links. I have articles distributed to over 1000 directories, I have everything socially bookmarked at over 100 sites, I submit my sites to over 100 directories and I have the same articles distributed through the Free Traffic System network.

          I do all of that stuff initially, though, then my focus is on profile links and blog comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
    Has anyone done a study that shows the difference between indexed profile links and unindexed profile links?
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    • Profile picture of the author medway
      Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

      Has anyone done a study that shows the difference between indexed profile links and unindexed profile links?
      Probably dont need a study, non-indexed ones don't do anything.

      Only exception I have seen is I had a squidoo page that showed no cache for a month and then finally the cache came up. When it did the cache date was from a month prior. So its almost like it had been cached the whole time but wasnt showing up when I checked using the seotool bar.

      I didnt actually check to see if it was indexed at the time which is a shame I forgot to as would be interesting to know if it was in the index or not. I just assumed it wasnt if there was no cache showing.
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      • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
        What effect do non-inexed links have? Has anyone done a study?

        Originally Posted by medway View Post

        Probably dont need a study, non-indexed ones don't do anything.

        Only exception I have seen is I had a squidoo page that showed no cache for a month and then finally the cache came up. When it did the cache date was from a month prior. So its almost like it had been cached the whole time but wasnt showing up when I checked using the seotool bar.

        I didnt actually check to see if it was indexed at the time which is a shame I forgot to as would be interesting to know if it was in the index or not. I just assumed it wasnt if there was no cache showing.
        I am not doubting that you are right, just interested in experimental data. What leads you to this conclusion? Not being indexed does not mean that Google does not know that the link exists, just that the page it is on is not in the index. Given the way they calculate PR I suspect very much they are worth nothing, but... I like data...
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        • Profile picture of the author medway
          Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

          What effect do non-inexed links have? Has anyone done a study?



          I am not doubting that you are right, just interested in experimental data. What leads you to this conclusion? Not being indexed does not mean that Google does not know that the link exists, just that the page it is on is not in the index. Given the way they calculate PR I suspect very much they are worth nothing, but... I like data...
          I'm not saying it can't happen but without any data to suggest it does then I'd assume they don't.

          The other poster on here thought that somehow cached links weren't being indexed which might lead to this conclusion but as I've shown they are in fact indexed.

          It is possible google can index a page, find a link, and then de-index it later. You could then assume that it 'knows' about the link from prior indexing but I would wager that if it de-indexes the page it also drops any value of the link.

          It's tough enough as it is for indexed links to help with rankings, not sure I'd even both worrying about the non-indexed ones.
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    Great experiment. The browser "Searchstatus" can identify which links are no follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
    With all due respect to all parties involved. I did read this whole thread and while I do admire and appreciate all the great information that was posted here for FREE I remain extremely skeptical as this whole thread seems to have been created with the sole purpose of selling Backlink packages and software that the OP and his partner have a direct interest in promoting. Stating that the backlinks that "THE WSO" package offers is better than the other type of backlinks because of one biased test that was performed.

    Again I say thanks for the tips and information provided and do appreciate the time it takes to post here. I just dont see this as "unbiased" and a true "double blind study".

    Please correct me where I am mistaken.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug D
      Think what you will, chief.
      I've never purchased anything from Terry, including his current wso.

      That said, I think Terry has as much character or more, than any other persons in this forum...that have had or do have wso's available.
      He is genuinely interested in educating and helping out noobs, so your conspiracy theories are a bit misguided.

      Try this site: AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics" where You'll likely be better received.





      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      With all due respect to all parties involved. I did read this whole thread and while I do admire and appreciate all the great information that was posted here for FREE I remain extremely skeptical as this whole thread seems to have been created with the sole purpose of selling Backlink packages and software that the OP and his partner have a direct interest in promoting. Stating that the backlinks that "THE WSO" package offers is better than the other type of backlinks because of one biased test that was performed.

      Again I say thanks for the tips and information provided and do appreciate the time it takes to post here. I just dont see this as "unbiased" and a true "double blind study".

      Please correct me where I am mistaken.
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      • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
        Additionally, Terry has a **** load of people on his list as a result of this thread and other threads he has helped out in, yet, whenever he reviews a product and mails it out to his list he doesn't even use affiliate links!

        He is one of the good guys. He has a genuine interest to help people succeed and is not just in it for the money.

        How many people can you honestly say that about these days? Not that many.
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    • Profile picture of the author medway
      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      With all due respect to all parties involved. I did read this whole thread and while I do admire and appreciate all the great information that was posted here for FREE I remain extremely skeptical as this whole thread seems to have been created with the sole purpose of selling Backlink packages and software that the OP and his partner have a direct interest in promoting. Stating that the backlinks that "THE WSO" package offers is better than the other type of backlinks because of one biased test that was performed.

      Again I say thanks for the tips and information provided and do appreciate the time it takes to post here. I just dont see this as "unbiased" and a true "double blind study".

      Please correct me where I am mistaken.
      His WSO contains one of the rankings in this test and a few others that weren't involved although possibly using the same links. Dont see the harm in showing proof and its not just limited to this test as you are making it out to be in your 'biased test' statement.

      His test was more about using relevant vs non relevant links. Pretty much all link packets are non relevant therefore hes proving that any of the backlink packs work, not just his.

      Id say youve got Terry pegged wrong here, he obviously just finds testing and figuring out this backlink thing seriously as well as happening to sell them. Would you rather he not test backlinks and just sell them?

      You're only gaining a bit of knowledge here, even if it is just limited to a single test.

      Its not like he is hiding figures or trying to bend the results in his favour, all the data is here for anyone to see pass or fail.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      With all due respect to all parties involved. I did read this whole thread and while I do admire and appreciate all the great information that was posted here for FREE I remain extremely skeptical as this whole thread seems to have been created with the sole purpose of selling Backlink packages and software that the OP and his partner have a direct interest in promoting. Stating that the backlinks that "THE WSO" package offers is better than the other type of backlinks because of one biased test that was performed.

      Again I say thanks for the tips and information provided and do appreciate the time it takes to post here. I just dont see this as "unbiased" and a true "double blind study".

      Please correct me where I am mistaken.
      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      I am a long time reader but this thread made me register and finally post. Again, I am not "slamming" anyone other than stating my opinion that the main purpose of this thread was to create a sales copy for a squeeze page. However there are very good points made which I do appreciate and have stated I am thankful for.

      I just dont believe this entire "test" was unbiased. It used 3 different keywords which when testing will always yield different results -- the source, amount, relativity or PR of links wont matter. Its an unclean test right from the beginning imo.

      Not "slamming" any one, but arguing with the methods used to perform what is purported to be a scientific test. I see no benefit nor unbiased outcome from this whole "test"

      And I do agree that the parties involved know more about SEO than I could ever learn.
      Hi MrD,

      Welcome to the thread and thanks for joining in the discussion.

      Let's take a look at each of your points in turn:

      I remain extremely skeptical as this whole thread seems to have been created with the sole purpose of selling Backlink packages

      If that were true MrD, I should have found a far more cost-effective way of doing that. This experiment has consumed a considerable chunk of my time over the last 3-4 months and the money invested in things like SENuke Pro for 4 months, paying outsourcers on elance to constantly build backlinks, running a Simple Leveraging System blitz (which was pretty effective too) and various other elements have probably made it line ball, particularly with my time factored in - especially when you look at the poor conversion rates on Yeast Infection CB products too of course.

      However, I did want to raise my profile in IM (though I'm active in a bunch of niches, too many in fact), enjoy running big ambitious projects and genuinely love the teaching/learning process. Plus, with all the endlessly circular SEO discussions about relevancy vs irrelevancy, effectivenes of SE NUke etc in the WF SEO sub-forum etc etc, I was amazed that there weren't 10 of these public experiments going on at the same time back in September 2009!

      This whole thread seems to have been created with the sole purpose of selling...software that the OP and his partner have a direct interest in promoting

      Those Warriors who are on my list constantly PM and email to thank me that my emails AND articles for them (like my Google Sniper analysis and Backlink Booster analysis) have NO affiliate links and I must be one of very few in IM that has a no-aff link rule in my list emails and articles written for my list. I did that to make my material different AND because I'm pretty sick of getting 18 emails from 18 'Guru' lists for the same product when a new launch is approaching.

      Tom Goodwin, my 'partner', and I actually 'met' on this thread. I haven't met Tom in person (he lives in Philadelphia and I'm in London) but I really liked his style in his posts, way of thinking, methods, ingenuity etc and working with him has been brilliant. I approached Tom to partner up in late December (somewhere around there I think) on our current backlinks product as it was obvious that our thinking was going in the same direction and we were both pretty sick of using existing backlinks packets that had new registrations constantly disabled as a giant list was hammering a small number of sites on the same day each month.

      We do have affiliate links to certain products in our backlinks training area but (as is the case in my WSO reports) all of my aff links are flagged - I put (aff link) after every one. And, we only feature programs that we use, trust and get a lot of value out of. Everything is disclosed.

      Income-wise, affiliate income from promoting or featuring these products is actually pretty low and is no business in itself. Tom and I would be living in cardboard boxes by the freeway if that were our only income, and they wouldn't be nice cardboard boxes either!

      Stating that the backlinks that "THE WSO" package offers is better than the other type of backlinks because of one biased test that was performed

      Please post where I said that below and I'll look at it and respond to it.

      What I probably said was that forum profile backlinks have been the most powerful for me in ranking and that is what my WSO uses. Having thrashed my Article Post Robot to near death creating pretty worthless article directory backlinks and created more Web 2.0 backlinks than I can stand to think about, all without success, I wanted to avoid other readers/Warriors wasting their time making those mistakes too (an important principle in all my IM activity).

      Again I say thanks for the tips and information provided and do appreciate the time it takes to post here. I just dont see this as "unbiased" and a true "double blind study".

      No problem. Everyone has their own opinion.

      Again, I am not "slamming" anyone other than stating my opinion that the main purpose of this thread was to create a sales copy for a squeeze page.

      If you check the thread, I started that list-building VERY late in the journey. If I had been looking to just buid a list, I would have collected email addresses from Day 1. The truth is that I don't email my list enough (and yes that's what they tell me). Why? Because I don't constantly email them with any new bit of IM junk coming down the pipe and ONLY email my list when I have found something new, cool and useful that might be of value to them - all without affiliate links. If my goal was to create a list and exploit it through this thread, I've made a terrible mess of that.

      However there are very good points made which I do appreciate and have stated I am thankful for.

      Glad to have helped you.

      I just dont believe this entire "test" was unbiased. It used 3 different keywords which when testing will always yield different results -- the source, amount, relativity or PR of links wont matter. Its an unclean test right from the beginning imo.

      Not "slamming" any one, but arguing with the methods used to perform what is purported to be a scientific test. I see no benefit nor unbiased outcome from this whole "test"


      Nobody is unbiased of course.

      I think I stated several times during this thread that I believed this test WASN'T scientific. I agonised for weeks over the exact configuration of the test and, after weighing up possibilities, tried to find a good balance. The keywords were roughly comparable competition-wise, search volume-wise and we could see different styles of articles in action and conventional backlinking against using tools like SE Nuke (which I've bailed out on now).

      I wanted to avoid them all competing against each other but that could have been a good way to go too.

      Of course MrD, you can run another experiment, as can any Warrior, configuring the test in the way that they see fit and I honestly, genuinely, sincerely encourage you to stage an experiment yourself using parameters that you feel are more revealing - it will be a great experience for you AND your fellow Warriors.

      Please correct me where I am mistaken.

      Job done - hopefully. Or at least we can agree to disagree!

      And I do agree that the parties involved know more about SEO than I could ever learn.

      We are all learning, sharing and developing - in a way, perhaps what you learned from this thread may be of more long-term value to your IM development than how you learned it (an unscientific experiment!).

      Thanks for contributing MrD. (Linked smiley - I honestly couldn't resist!)
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      • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Hi MrD,

        Welcome to the thread and thanks for joining in the discussion.


        Please correct me where I am mistaken.

        Job done - hopefully. Or at least we can agree to disagree!

        Points well taken and I thank you for your explanation.
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          Wao Terry hands down for that post.
          Thanks for the whole Thread.
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    With all due respect to all parties involved. I did read this whole thread and while I do admire and appreciate all the great information that was posted here for FREE I remain extremely skeptical as this whole thread seems to have been created with the sole purpose of selling Backlink packages and software that the OP and his partner have a direct interest in promoting. Stating that the backlinks that "THE WSO" package offers is better than the other type of backlinks because of one biased test that was performed.

    Again I say thanks for the tips and information provided and do appreciate the time it takes to post here. I just dont see this as "unbiased" and a true "double blind study".

    Please correct me where I am mistaken.
    I find it kinda odd that your first post is to slam Terry and this thread as a thinly disguised sales pitch.

    While I may agree with some of what you said. I think the knowledge that can be gained from this thread far outweighs any possible WSO plugs made.

    Terry knows what he is doing and he along with Tom Goodwin who I believe he is working with have presented a lot of information and test results along with several little tips and tricks... this thread is worth more than most WSO's.

    At least a potential WSO buyer has a chance to see if Terry is for real or not.

    And this isn't kissing butt since I have called out many of the people in this thread when I think something is crap. I call 'em how I see 'em.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      I find it kinda odd that your first post is to slam Terry and this thread as a thinly disguised sales pitch.

      While I may agree with some of what you said. I think the knowledge that can be gained from this thread far outweighs any possible WSO plugs made.

      Terry knows what he is doing and he along with Tom Goodwin who I believe he is working with have presented a lot of information and test results along with several little tips and tricks... this thread is worth more than most WSO's.

      At least a potential WSO buyer has a chance to see if Terry is for real or not.

      And this isn't kissing butt since I have called out many of the people in this thread when I think something is crap. I call 'em how I see 'em.
      I am a long time reader but this thread made me register and finally post. Again, I am not "slamming" anyone other than stating my opinion that the main purpose of this thread was to create a sales copy for a squeeze page. However there are very good points made which I do appreciate and have stated I am thankful for.

      I just dont believe this entire "test" was unbiased. It used 3 different keywords which when testing will always yield different results -- the source, amount, relativity or PR of links wont matter. Its an unclean test right from the beginning imo.

      Not "slamming" any one, but arguing with the methods used to perform what is purported to be a scientific test. I see no benefit nor unbiased outcome from this whole "test"

      And I do agree that the parties involved know more about SEO than I could ever learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChildWarrior
    Doug D: I sure would like to see one of your index driver blogs, too, if you wouldn't mind sending the link to sheetcan AT gmail DOT com

    Been interested ever since you answered my post in the scrapebox thread about it ...
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      Done.
      Let me know if you received it ok.


      Originally Posted by ChildWarrior View Post

      Doug D: I sure would like to see one of your index driver blogs, too, if you wouldn't mind sending the link to sheetcan AT gmail DOT com

      Been interested ever since you answered my post in the scrapebox thread about it ...
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  • Profile picture of the author WinsonYeung
    Wow terry!

    Thanks for the 60 days experiment! Love it and learn lots from it!
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  • Profile picture of the author lolawanda
    Hi thanks for sharing your awesome strategy...but you said you're getting minimum of PR5 isn't pr5 is so hard to get? or do you mean you will generate backlinks from PR5 sites not the page where you leave your links? thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    Best way to do it, test it yourself....
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    it's a great read :0)
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  • Profile picture of the author t3ch
    Terry,

    Can you suggest the best way to backlinking, index and rank for a brand new blog?
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  • Profile picture of the author Doc_Doxey
    Hi Steve, Do you have the link pointing to Steve Morgan's SLS? I can't seem to find it here on WF or in a Google search for that matter.

    Best regards,
    Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author Doc_Doxey
    Tsssshh....Steve. Man, I need to slow down a little. I meant Terry. Sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author gfonline
    I have read the entire thread on this experiment over the last few days and THANKS first off!

    I am now going to launch my massive semi-automated backlinking effort but need clarification points I must have missed along the way. I have purchased scrapebox and seo spyglass to help me.

    I have a domain with a primary purpose of selling my ebook (I wrote it, not affiliate product) in a fairly competitive niche. I also have a blog which is keyword anchor linked back to the main sales page domain. These would be my money sites.

    1.If I plan on building a lot (5000+) of backlinks quickly (over 45 days) should I be directing those backlinks at a pumper site or article posted on a parasite page with anchored keyword text back to my money site?
    2.Should I use a linkwheel sites to backlink and those sites linked to my money site?
    3.I assume I should not point a high volume of backlinks directly to my money site or WP blog in case I get sandboxed? Or should I point it to the money site but just an innerpage I create for that purpose?

    Sorry if missed this, but after reading the entire thread over 3 days, I came out the other end a littel scrambled on this critical starting point. :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by Doc_Doxey View Post

      Tsssshh....Steve. Man, I need to slow down a little. I meant Terry. Sorry.
      Hi Martin,

      You can PM Steve here about his SLS system. Have you checked out how well my EZA article from the Backlinks Training Area experiment is going? Not bad!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by t3ch View Post

        Terry,

        Can you suggest the best way to backlinking, index and rank for a brand new blog?
        Hopefully that's well covered in this experiment thread T!
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by gfonline View Post

          I have read the entire thread on this experiment over the last few days and THANKS first off!

          I am now going to launch my massive semi-automated backlinking effort but need clarification points I must have missed along the way. I have purchased scrapebox and seo spyglass to help me.

          I have a domain with a primary purpose of selling my ebook (I wrote it, not affiliate product) in a fairly competitive niche. I also have a blog which is keyword anchor linked back to the main sales page domain. These would be my money sites.

          1.If I plan on building a lot (5000+) of backlinks quickly (over 45 days) should I be directing those backlinks at a pumper site or article posted on a parasite page with anchored keyword text back to my money site?
          2.Should I use a linkwheel sites to backlink and those sites linked to my money site?
          3.I assume I should not point a high volume of backlinks directly to my money site or WP blog in case I get sandboxed? Or should I point it to the money site but just an innerpage I create for that purpose?

          Sorry if missed this, but after reading the entire thread over 3 days, I came out the other end a littel scrambled on this critical starting point. :confused:
          Hi GFO,

          Let's take a look at your questions:

          1.If I plan on building a lot (5000+) of backlinks quickly (over 45 days) should I be directing those backlinks at a pumper site or article posted on a parasite page with anchored keyword text back to my money site?

          I have had success with both approaches but if you use the pumper site 'buffer', you have a shot at getting 2 spots on Page 1 rather than just the Money Site. Just make sure that the pumper site is a high quality job that can sell in its own right and that the buffer site is dofollow. After that 5000, keep going with consistent linkbuilding - imitating a truly viral article continuously attracting links that have IP diversity and geodiversity.

          2.Should I use a linkwheel sites to backlink and those sites linked to my money site?

          That's a funny one. The Linkwheel gurus are saying not to create wheels anymore, just random kind of chaotic backlinks where they do NOT connect with each other. I am far from an authority on linkwheels and have barely used them but they may well have had their day judging by the buzz on the SEO 'street'.

          3.I assume I should not point a high volume of backlinks directly to my money site or WP blog in case I get sandboxed? Or should I point it to the money site but just an innerpage I create for that purpose?

          I throw big link numbers at Money Sites pretty regularly and have never managed to trigger a sandbox penalty. Touch wood. In fact, does the Sandbox exist? If it did, couldn't I take out my main competitors with a massive xRumer blast at their high ranking pages?

          What Google does like to see is CONSISTENT blog posting on a daily basis. After a week of daily posting, my new posts on a new blog get crawled (but not indexed) in under 10 minutes (tracked with "exact terms" from new posts in Google Alerts). I have had the most success targeting INNER WP blog pages.

          Hope that helps!
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          • Profile picture of the author gfonline
            Thanks Terry. Here is what I think I will do (wish I had a good little bubble diagram app in this forum so i could just paint a picture)

            1. Us my WP blog as my pumper site to sales page site (similar to the affiliate site if I were using one). The blog will be littered with links to buy my book and all posts will lead to the fact they need my book. I think this is called a funnel site?
            2. I will use 10 of the blog posts/articles that have their own URL as my main URLs to backlink to, each having their own long tail keyword niche. The other daily blog posts will be just for good updated content on the site so it's more authoritative.
            3. Use SEO spyglass and scrapebox to get high PR blog and forum profile links.
            4. Use backlink booster to link those links.

            thats my plan for the next 30 days, then tweak, and repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author sammyjo99
    Hi Terry,
    I just managed to complete this really huge threat. Thanks for this really interesting experiment"
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
    I would love to know where you are finding these Elance link building packages for .20 a link? I am registered there and never got a proposal for less than .75 a link.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Foster
      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      I would love to know where you are finding these Elance link building packages for .20 a link? I am registered there and never got a proposal for less than .75 a link.
      ...Who are you talking too?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Tery,

    this thread is huge...is there a summary of your findings?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandy Cormack
    I do have a conceptual question, now that I have digested the whole thread:

    It seems to me that relying on a GoArticles page, or an Ezines page, or whatever, to be a funnel for traffic is a double edged sword. Good, because it can get to page 1 easier and the directory has a community of its own. Bad, because the articles are constrained by the host - limiting links, confining links to a poorly-located resource box, etc - which minimizes clickthroughs.

    So even though it might be easier to do so, are you hurting yourself in the long run by making the article the focus of your linkbuilding instead of an optin or sales page on your website? Or do you do both, accomplishing the funnel first because it is easier?

    PS - just joined your list, Terry!
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    • Profile picture of the author gfonline
      When i asked the same question in several forums and from Terry directly I got a pretty solid answer that if you have the choice you should create innerpages/subfolders of your blog or your own website, each with its own keyword niche just as if it was an article. Every page should have its own keyword target. I did this myself and realized when i was creating my first innerpage of my blog in Word press that it made much more sense because you can do on page SEO much better and much more flexibility with putting in links to your buy page, sales page, or affiliate page.
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  • Profile picture of the author cballi
    Yeah, I finally made it all the way through this thread. It took a few days and many hours but was well worth it.

    Terry, I signed up for your list, but I think I signed up after your latest experiment (PR). Is there a way to get the old newsletters?
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  • Profile picture of the author stevewar77
    I wanted to throw a quick comment in on Terry's Backlink Booster / autoblog technique.

    After reading his article: backlinksblackbelt.com/backlinkbooster-part1.html 3 different times, I couldn't figure out how in the heck backlink booster was going to feed your emails from feedmyinbox.com to the various web2.0 blogs mentioned in the article.

    I did some digging around in G-mail, and I think I figured out how to make it work with posterous. Terry please correct me if I'm wrong here. I took a look at posterous.com, which will immediatley post your email to their blog, without any kind of signup. If one were simply to add a foward filter, forwarding the emails from feedmyinbox to posterous, then the BB 2nd click would post automatically to posterous.

    so my question is, how do you get your email from Gmail to a site like myBlogLog.

    Thanks for your help
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by Sandy Cormack View Post

      Terry,

      I'm not sure if your conclusion from this data search is valid, for a couple of reasons.

      1. Does the URL for those keywords even exist? Without finding the website in question and analyzing it, it would be very hard to determine if we're comparing apples and oranges.

      2. I've done the same kind of research for several of the niches that I have targeted. What I find quite frequently is the domain name is parked for resale, often in the $3000 range. So there is no website with the keywords in it, and the cost of establishing such a website is high.

      As I posted before, others have determined that there is some relevance. For instance, Google "blogging tips" and your first result is bloggingtips dot com. So it seems to me it is part of the equation.

      I would say that, all other things being equal, having the keywords as the domain name gives you a boost. In other words, if you can get the domain name, fine, but that doesn't relieve you of the need to do all the backlinking etc. You might get there faster, or with relatively less links, or whatever.
      Hi Sandy,

      Welcome to the party, latecomer!

      Bottom line on the keyword-in-domain-name debate is that it is easy to find loads of #1 and high ranking sites that do NOT have the keyword search term in their TLD and loads of similarly high ranking sites that do. Conclusion? Inconclusive.

      Ultimately, you have to call a site something but relying on the keyword in the domain as a main SEO strategy for any term worth ranking for is going to lead to profound disappointment. Yes it may be sufficient for very weak terms traffic-wise but are those worth bothering with?

      Domains may be parked with 4 and 5 figure price tags but is anybody buying them?

      "So there is no website with the keywords in it, and the cost of establishing such a website is high."

      By adding 'now', 'hq', 'today', '2' or the like at the end of the domain name, the keyword benefit should theoretically still be there, IF it exists, and these would cost less than $10 to grab for a .com e.g. purplewidgetshq.com

      As SEO Spyglass pretty much proves Sandy, you need a LOAD of quality backlinks to rank for a decent term - especially if the Google Keyword Tool OVERestimates traffic for specific terms as much as it seems to in my experience.

      Hope that clarifies my current thinking and feel free to raise additional points.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by Sandy Cormack View Post

        I do have a conceptual question, now that I have digested the whole thread:

        It seems to me that relying on a GoArticles page, or an Ezines page, or whatever, to be a funnel for traffic is a double edged sword. Good, because it can get to page 1 easier and the directory has a community of its own. Bad, because the articles are constrained by the host - limiting links, confining links to a poorly-located resource box, etc - which minimizes clickthroughs.

        So even though it might be easier to do so, are you hurting yourself in the long run by making the article the focus of your linkbuilding instead of an optin or sales page on your website? Or do you do both, accomplishing the funnel first because it is easier?

        PS - just joined your list, Terry!
        Yep, spot on Sandy and I believe these caveats about articles have been raised quite a few times in this thread.

        Rather than an 'either/or' (either article or my site), ideally I like to use a bunch of different 'parasite hosted' properties to dominate Page 1 and block out competitors from positions there.

        If you keep an eye on the SERP for the term, 'backlinks', watch out on Page 1 as Tom Goodwin and I drive several of our pages on these properties towards the top, all of which have links back to our 'Money Site'.

        Once established, it is easy to send clicks from articles to CPA offers, CB products, a squeeze page etc.

        Welcome to my list too Sandy - still frustratingly waiting for my first domain to transfer so that I can get on with my homepage backlink experiment there .
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Originally Posted by stevewar77 View Post

          I wanted to throw a quick comment in on Terry's Backlink Booster / autoblog technique.

          After reading his article: backlinksblackbelt.com/backlinkbooster-part1.html 3 different times, I couldn't figure out how in the heck backlink booster was going to feed your emails from feedmyinbox.com to the various web2.0 blogs mentioned in the article.

          I did some digging around in G-mail, and I think I figured out how to make it work with posterous. Terry please correct me if I'm wrong here. I took a look at posterous.com, which will immediatley post your email to their blog, without any kind of signup. If one were simply to add a foward filter, forwarding the emails from feedmyinbox to posterous, then the BB 2nd click would post automatically to posterous.

          so my question is, how do you get your email from Gmail to a site like myBlogLog.

          Thanks for your help
          Hi Steve,

          Warrior Carl Ringwall has just released an excellent WSO on this process and other methods for superfast indexing of profile backlinks:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-fast.html

          To forward from GMail to myBlogLog (which I've never used), you will need an email address on your myBlogLog account. Then create a specific GMail account just for this task. Then in your GMail account, go to Settings-Forwarding and POP/IMAP-Forward a copy of incoming mail to...

          Here's what I mean:


          Hope that helps!
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          • Profile picture of the author Sandy Cormack
            Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

            Hi Steve,

            Warrior Carl Ringwall has just released an excellent WSO on this process and other methods for superfast indexing of profile backlinks:

            http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-fast.html

            To forward from GMail to myBlogLog (which I've never used), you will need an email address on your myBlogLog account. Then create a specific GMail account just for this task. Then in your GMail account, go to Settings-Forwarding and POP/IMAP-Forward a copy of incoming mail to...

            Here's what I mean:


            Hope that helps!
            I think I'm also missing something...why not just create, say, a Google Group with all the email addresses you've set up to allow posting by email, and send your Backlink Booster feed to that Group? Wouldn't that automatically update your entire Autoblogposter network at once?
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              Originally Posted by Solag View Post

              Hey Kyle!

              I have been reading your 60 day backlink experiment from start to finish and I just want to thank you for all the information that you have put out for us.

              Newbies like me will have a better picture of IM after reading your post so THANK YOU!!

              If you don't mind and are not too busy, I have a question that I want to ask if I may..
              (This may be a little off topic, but I tried to PM you but I was unable to because my post counter did not yet reach 50)
              My question is this...

              So I have a Squidoo page and it brings it a little over 200+ unique visits a day with a little over 50% CTR. I have been getting over 200 hops to this product but I rarely have sales...

              This product has over 600+ grav on CB so I figured that it would be selling like crazy, however I have only managed to sell 3-4 times a week.

              Is the merchant landing page bad or am I sending untargeted traffic towards the landing page? I am really confused and would love to hear your thoughts.
              Hi S,

              Thank you for your feedback.

              200 UVs a day is a very good achievement - congratulations.

              Now for the conversions (we all want to improve in this area).

              Without knowing your precise keyword and how much of a buying keyword or problem/solution magnet (as rightly pointed out above) keyword it is, you now need to try:

              - other CB vendors with similar products (even if their gravity is lower)

              - CPA 'free trial' offers (Health and Beauty Affiliate Programs by MarketHealth.com has automatic approval, good if your keyword is body/health related)

              - capturing email addresses for a list and using the CB vendor's autoresponder series as your own (you may be rushing them and need to do a little credibility-building).

              Don't do these all at once, try each one for a few days and rotate if no improvement.

              Best of luck.
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                Originally Posted by Sandy Cormack View Post

                I think I'm also missing something...why not just create, say, a Google Group with all the email addresses you've set up to allow posting by email, and send your Backlink Booster feed to that Group? Wouldn't that automatically update your entire Autoblogposter network at once?
                Hi again Sandy,

                I don't think you're missing anything - if a Google Group (presumably like Yahoo Groups) can be set up with an RSS>broadcast email function to a bunch of autoblogs, that is definitely another way of getting the RSS>autoblogpost going.

                Thanks for the suggestion. As Carl Ringwall, Tom Goodwin and Sean Donohoe prove, there are various methods to empowering backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
    Terry,

    Can you point me in the right direction on ELANCE of someone you currently use or have used for backlinks?

    Thanks,

    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by mrdeflation View Post

      Terry,

      Can you point me in the right direction on ELANCE of someone you currently use or have used for backlinks?

      Thanks,

      Matt
      Hi Matt,

      My main backlinking guy is Warrior John Dales (not through Elance).

      On Elance, I trust "QuickExpress" (Soniya) with important jobs and have used them many times without any problems. Not the cheapest but very reliable and thorough.
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      • Profile picture of the author cringwall
        Thanks for the shout out, Terry!

        Unselfish Warriors like Terry allow all of us to learn and be successful.

        Buy his stuff - it's unmatched! And everyone interested in backlinking be sure and join his new Backlinks Forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author bryrho
          Hi Terry is it possible to get a copy of the Google sniper report? I'm trying to find a 'reliable' review but all I can find are affiliates trying to hock it off.. :rolleyes:

          Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author mrdeflation
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Hi Matt,

        My main backlinking guy is Warrior John Dales (not through Elance).

        On Elance, I trust "QuickExpress" (Soniya) with important jobs and have used them many times without any problems. Not the cheapest but very reliable and thorough.

        thank you once again for awesome info.

        This should be a sticky thread!

        you rock
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  • Profile picture of the author Solag
    Hey Kyle!

    I have been reading your 60 day backlink experiment from start to finish and I just want to thank you for all the information that you have put out for us.

    Newbies like me will have a better picture of IM after reading your post so THANK YOU!!

    If you don't mind and are not too busy, I have a question that I want to ask if I may..
    (This may be a little off topic, but I tried to PM you but I was unable to because my post counter did not yet reach 50)
    My question is this...

    So I have a Squidoo page and it brings it a little over 200+ unique visits a day with a little over 50% CTR. I have been getting over 200 hops to this product but I rarely have sales...

    This product has over 600+ grav on CB so I figured that it would be selling like crazy, however I have only managed to sell 3-4 times a week.

    Is the merchant landing page bad or am I sending untargeted traffic towards the landing page? I am really confused and would love to hear your thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author bryrho
      Hi Solag, i think i can chime in here,
      If the product has a gravity of 600+, the product landing page is probably pretty good. My guess would be that your definatley sending untargeted traffic to the product page.

      Is the keyword your tageting a "buy" keyword (ie - does the keyowrd have an underlying problem that needs solving) or just a generic info keyword. As the latter would indicate if your targeting an info keyword, you wont make many sales.

      Another thing to consider is what "lure" are you using to get your visitors to click through to the product page? Are you emphasising a solution to their problem, thus qualifying the traffic, or does it just say something like, "check this site out, it's great"?

      Hope that helps...
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    • Profile picture of the author JBanis
      Originally Posted by Solag View Post

      Hey Kyle!

      I have been reading your 60 day backlink experiment from start to finish and I just want to thank you for all the information that you have put out for us.

      Newbies like me will have a better picture of IM after reading your post so THANK YOU!!

      If you don't mind and are not too busy, I have a question that I want to ask if I may..
      (This may be a little off topic, but I tried to PM you but I was unable to because my post counter did not yet reach 50)
      My question is this...

      So I have a Squidoo page and it brings it a little over 200+ unique visits a day with a little over 50% CTR. I have been getting over 200 hops to this product but I rarely have sales...

      This product has over 600+ grav on CB so I figured that it would be selling like crazy, however I have only managed to sell 3-4 times a week.

      Is the merchant landing page bad or am I sending untargeted traffic towards the landing page? I am really confused and would love to hear your thoughts.
      Hi Solag

      Just checking.. are you getting 200 hops and get 3-4 sales out of that? Because if so..that is actually not too bad at all: 4 sales out of 200 hops is 2%. I'd be happy with 1% conversion if I knew it was reliable. You have something you can build on

      Also, the gravity is a measure of how many affiliates are making money with it, by any means though I think (correct me if Im wrong). So..they could all be using listbuilding techniques instead of direct linking, and you wouldnt know about it. Definitely test out other products too and/or build a list.

      Jan
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  • Profile picture of the author jpaissa27
    Hey Terry

    What is the best recommended paid or non paid keywords tool that you can recommend for us, affiliate marketers?
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    • Profile picture of the author JBanis
      Originally Posted by jpaissa27 View Post

      Hey Terry

      What is the best recommended paid or non paid keywords tool that you can recommend for us, affiliate marketers?
      Market Samurai is a great tool. I have this myself, and also use others. I would use SEOspyglass to get a more accurate picture of the backlinks of your competitors though.

      Jan
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  • Profile picture of the author gfonline
    I recommend market samurai, but have only used that and Traffic Travis. I did do a lot of research recently for keyword software before i bought market samurai and most people agreed it was a good keyword tool and overall SEO suite.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeoJ
    Thanks and luck
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    I guess it wouldn't be so long of a read if it weren't considered so successful!
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    Thanks for sharing the information
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  • Profile picture of the author TubongLugaw
    Hi! Terry!

    im looking for the 5000 backlinks WSO from you, is ther such a WSO from you,,? Please PM me i want to buy,,, many thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author cabelguy
    thanks for sharing your knowledge
    i have to bookmark this thread
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by TubongLugaw View Post

      Hi! Terry!

      im looking for the 5000 backlinks WSO from you, is ther such a WSO from you,,? Please PM me i want to buy,,, many thanks!
      I sent you a PM T!
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      • Profile picture of the author Unitedmarketing
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        I sent you a PM T!
        Hey Terry,

        I've been following you for some time on warrior forum. I've grow to really respect what you have to say on SEO.

        Do you sell any courses that explain in greater detail on setting up a 1-2-3 basic backlinking campaign and some automated tools you use?

        Currently I do pretty well with SEO using my authority blog empire. This is where I have several PR2+ sites I bought and use them as my backlinking juice to my money sites.

        But it's extremely time consuming to maintain content. I hear all this automated backlinking stuff and I don't trust that, being old school here (maybe "to good to be true" is more like it). Anyways, if you do offer such guides please PM me where I can buy one!! Thanks so much for what you do Terry.
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        • Profile picture of the author astevn816
          I always follow Terry's thread and I have joined the backlinking forum. I just want to express my thanks for all the valuable information.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Originally Posted by Unitedmarketing View Post

            I found Power Article Rewriter very helpful! Especially with the nested variables. Thanks for mentioning it. Do you have a list of the the article submission sites you use?

            I admire your free giving of this information to inform those who eagerly seek this info. Great leadership! Thanks so much for what you do here and your backlinking forum.
            Thank you UM - I do appreciate that.

            Though Power Article Rewriter is a very good program, I have found article directory backlinks fairly ineffective in boosting search engine rankings. I used to thrash Article Post Robot and built many thousands of backlinks but found them pretty weak.

            In contrast, as we discuss on the backlinks forum, high PR, dofollow, publicly viewable forum profiles work very well in my experience. Of course, you can use PAR for spinning articles for your own sites for SEO purposes.

            Originally Posted by Unitedmarketing View Post

            Hey Terry,

            I've been following you for some time on warrior forum. I've grow to really respect what you have to say on SEO.

            Do you sell any courses that explain in greater detail on setting up a 1-2-3 basic backlinking campaign and some automated tools you use?

            Currently I do pretty well with SEO using my authority blog empire. This is where I have several PR2+ sites I bought and use them as my backlinking juice to my money sites.

            But it's extremely time consuming to maintain content. I hear all this automated backlinking stuff and I don't trust that, being old school here (maybe "to good to be true" is more like it). Anyways, if you do offer such guides please PM me where I can buy one!! Thanks so much for what you do Terry.
            Glad to help UM.

            My WSO Backlinking Report is currently on annual vacation and is undergoing a lot of updating and new material additions. Hopefully, it should be back at work by the end of March.

            In the mean time, as you say, there is a lot of good backlinking tactical info over on the backlinks forum.

            If you are on my list UM, you will be (hopefully) following my homepage backlink experiment where I have already bought 2 domains (a PR4 and a PR5) and am playing around with backlinks from there - this sounds similar to what you're doing with your blogs.

            As yet I haven't found an automated system that can work as a core linkbuilding strategy. Some approaches work well as short burst tactical add-ons but for now, I use outsourced forum profile linkbuilding as my main, core strategy.

            Originally Posted by astevn816 View Post

            I always follow Terry's thread and I have joined the backlinking forum. I just want to express my thanks for all the valuable information.
            My pleasure A.
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            • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

              Thank you UM - I do appreciate that.

              Though Power Article Rewriter is a very good program, I have found article directory backlinks fairly ineffective in boosting search engine rankings. I used to thrash Article Post Robot and built many thousands of backlinks but found them pretty weak.

              In contrast, as we discuss on the backlinks forum, high PR, dofollow, publicly viewable forum profiles work very well in my experience. Of course, you can use PAR for spinning articles for your own sites for SEO purposes.
              Wow, the thread has grown gigantic! With tons of useful tips and experiment, you have saved us a lot of time! Great Job Terry!

              I used to rely much on article backlinks, but I've switch my strategy to profile backlinks since last year march.

              It seems like Google weight more towards profile, especially PR 4 and above profiles. Many people argue that domain PR doesn't have much to do with a quality link, but my own experience tells me otherwise.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Brown
    This is an ambitious project. I wish you success and I would love to see the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Unitedmarketing
    Terry This information you are providing for use is incredible! Thank you so much for sharing
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  • Profile picture of the author tijay
    I hear Social Bookmarking 101 is an excellent program! Bummer my site wasn't accepted in the program

    TiJay
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  • Profile picture of the author taufandilog
    wow...this thread really help me. I will read it one by one and do some practice
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    • Profile picture of the author leecourt
      Terry, Just wanted to say a big thank you for a fascinating post that gives the real deal of what to expect if you are using any of the tested techniques for internet marketing. Pure gold!
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      • Profile picture of the author NoMercyBlackhat
        I have to thank Terry for helping me on my money site rankings. A month ago, my sites where no where google's top 3 pages. But now, 75% of my blogs are within the TOP5 to TOP50.

        Thanks a lot. Kudos to you for your honest service of helping others to attain Internet Marketing success.
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  • Profile picture of the author anoop
    Nice Experiments .Thanks for sharing it..
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    Hi, Thanks for your comment and explanations .

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  • Profile picture of the author MAtkins
    How terribly disappointing:
    This entire test was a dismal failure:

    Article 1: "Yeast Infection Home Remedy"
    Yeast Infection Home Remedy?: GoArticles.com
    Currently not in the top 4 Google SERPs

    Article 2: "How To Get Rid of a Yeast Infection"
    Challenge: GoArticles.com
    Currently on Page 2, Position 4

    Article 3: "Recurring Yeast Infections"
    Challenge: GoArticles.com
    Currently on Page 3, Position 7 of Google SERPs

    WP Site 4: "Symptoms of a Yeast Infection"
    Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection
    Currently not in the top 4 of Google SERPs

    So, Terry didn't make any reasonable money from any of these articles/site that I can see.
    Irrelevant backlinks appear to be as good (or near) as relavent backlinks.
    None of the backlink sources or tools that Terry tested seem to have done the trick by themselves.


    Looks like Angela's little spit fire's (Belgirl) test didn't work either.
    She indicated that though she did finally place 2nd, apparently no conversions.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...la-thread.html

    Where do we go from here?
    What actually does work?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Very useful 9th post. As has probably been mentioned 50 times in the thread, the purpose of all of this wasn't to make money, but I guess that was easy to miss after all of the posts. If I just wanted to make money I would sell crack on the corner.

      Thanks.

      P.S. "Terri" is generally a female name and "Terry" is generally a male name. I know it is easy to make that mistake after seeing the correct spelling probably 1000 times in this thread.

      Tom

      Originally Posted by MAtkins View Post

      How terribly disappointing:
      This entire test was a dismal failure:
      Article 1: "Yeast Infection Home Remedy"
      Yeast Infection Home Remedy?: GoArticles.com
      Currently not in the top 4 Google SERPs

      Article 2: "How To Get Rid of a Yeast Infection"
      Challenge: GoArticles.com
      Currently on Page 2, Position 4

      Article 3: "Recurring Yeast Infections"
      Challenge: GoArticles.com
      Currently on Page 3, Position 7 of Google SERPs

      WP Site 4: "Symptoms of a Yeast Infection"
      Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection
      Currently not in the top 4 of Google SERPs

      So, Terri Kyle didn't make any reasonable money from these articles that I can see and infact, if I get this right, the project cost him hundreds.

      Terri, what do you do for a living?
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug D
      Firstly, I've got the memory of a geriatric crack-head, so I may not have everything exactly straight. That said...I think the original point of the exercise was to kinda feel out some different backlink/I.M. type systems, and try to ascertain what worked and what didn't...with regard to rankings.

      The way in which the test was structured, did not exactly lend itself to scientifically conclusive data. And, I believe Terry at some point...also acknowledged that.

      I don't know that the test itself really helps anyone, but there were plenty of nuggets throughout the thread...that should be helpful for noobs.

      Anyway....


      Originally Posted by MAtkins View Post

      How terribly disappointing:
      This entire test was a dismal failure:
      Article 1: "Yeast Infection Home Remedy"
      Yeast Infection Home Remedy?: GoArticles.com
      Currently not in the top 4 Google SERPs

      Article 2: "How To Get Rid of a Yeast Infection"
      Challenge: GoArticles.com
      Currently on Page 2, Position 4

      Article 3: "Recurring Yeast Infections"
      Challenge: GoArticles.com
      Currently on Page 3, Position 7 of Google SERPs

      WP Site 4: "Symptoms of a Yeast Infection"
      Symptoms Of A Yeast Infection
      Currently not in the top 4 of Google SERPs

      So, Terri Kyle didn't make any reasonable money from these articles that I can see and infact, if I get this right, the project cost him hundreds.

      Terri, what do you do for a living?
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Hrmmm interesting .... wonder if GoArticles is causing this to drop in rank. When I went there it took forever to LOAD .. and I opened 3 GoArticles and 1 EZA articles off the first 2 pages of the serps looking for terry's article.

      I dont use GoArticle [ or EZA all that much ] but it took forever to get the goods - and there seemed to be some sort of google / proxying going on - it was really weird!!!

      Challenge: GoArticles.com

      Is this what user see when they try to get at your GoArticles!!! A freakin captcha!!! for trying to open 3 articles in tabs? Wonder what google bot sees? LOL

      What a joke - Screw goarticles

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      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
        Here's my take-away after reviewing some of the first 2 pages of serps.

        GoArticles has the trust rank and juice of a Has Been. I may be mistaken - but the PR of GoArticles.com used to be higher than a PR4 when Terry first started - no? Falling from google grace?

        Terry's article has 830+ BL's in YSE - where competition pages have less - like an EZA article with .... you guessed it Z-E-R-O ... and the page has PR2 - LOL - and is on page one in my browser.

        I dont think the test was a failure. I for one benefited ... so btw ....

        Hey Thanks Terry for putting up your cash and letting us see what was going on! Appreciated.

        I now know that GoArticles may be a waste of effort.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post


          GoArticles has the trust rank and juice of a Has Been. I may be mistaken - but the PR of GoArticles.com used to be higher than a PR4 when Terry first started - no? Falling from google grace?

          Terry's article has 830+ BL's in YSE - where competition pages have less - like an EZA article with .... you guessed it Z-E-R-O ... and the page has PR2 - LOL - and is on page one in my browser.
          Yikes. I don't try to rank any articles on others' sites as I prefer my own domains so I don't follow the article directories that much, but I know that GOA used to be at least a PR5 (if not PR6?) a few months ago.

          To be blunt, a PR4 is rather pedestrian. Its not that hard for joe schmoe to get his blog up to a PR4 with some decent work.


          Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

            Yikes. I don't try to rank any articles on others' sites as I prefer my own domains so I don't follow the article directories that much, but I know that GOA used to be at least a PR5 (if not PR6?) a few months ago.

            To be blunt, a PR4 is rather pedestrian. Its not that hard for joe schmoe to get his blog up to a PR4 with some decent work.


            Tom
            LOL - I think Angelas article and backlinks towards the domain may be the only thing left keeping it from being de-indexed.

            OK - people - that was a joke - dont get all riled up and bent! Just a lil seo humor.
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            • Profile picture of the author redrossero
              Actually, most of EZA articles that rank on page one are old articles, now the new ones land on page three or below usually. This is my observation in some health niches. There are goarticles that rank for some good keywords, but they don't have only profile links but a mixture of all types of links.
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              • Profile picture of the author Harvey
                Hi Terry, I have just found this thread and spent about the last 2 hours reading it
                One thing I'm not quite getting, am I being a tad dense here. You mention about leapfrogging on the back of an article that is number 1 in the SERP. How do you go about doing this? I fear I am being a bit slow here, but am not quite sure what you mean?
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug D
    Tom and I both referenced 'crack' - What are the odds? Things that make you go hhmmm.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by Doug D View Post

      Tom and I both referenced 'crack' - What are the odds? Things that make you go hhmmm.

      Well, another definition is "the plumber bent over and I saw his xxxxx". I'll wait for someone else to use that definition though :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author ericshef
    Just wanted to say thanks this post has a ton of great info keep up the hard work
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  • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
    Terry,
    Curious, Did you end up selling the articles/site you used in your experiment?
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  • Profile picture of the author examineseo
    Hi Everyong, I realized this was started as a much older thread in 2009. Do you guys this stuff would still work today or is some of it outdated?
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    • Profile picture of the author progame
      Very grateful to you Terry for taking this public project on and sharing your findings with us for free. It is of immense value and have already taken up on your advice in my IM methods.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Wow, I thought this thread had retired...

        Originally Posted by examineseo View Post

        Hi Everyong, I realized this was started as a much older thread in 2009. Do you guys this stuff would still work today or is some of it outdated?
        A lot of it (pretty much all of it I think E) still applies. The tactical discussions continue over on our backlinks forum in my signature file.

        Originally Posted by progame View Post

        Very grateful to you Terry for taking this public project on and sharing your findings with us for free. It is of immense value and have already taken up on your advice in my IM methods.
        Good to hear P. Thank you.

        IMO, the major new(ish) directions in backlinking in 2010 are aged high PR domains (that you buy and own), (much more) automation and multi-pronged interlocking approaches - not just conventional profile backlinks.

        I'll come back and address the questions I've missed soon...
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        • Profile picture of the author Liquidgraph
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          IMO, the major new(ish) directions in backlinking in 2010 are aged high PR domains (that you buy and own), (much more) automation and multi-pronged interlocking approaches - not just conventional profile backlinks.
          Terry, I'm curious to how you would go about doing this? I mean first of all an aged high PR domain would definitely not be cheap and where would you buy them? And on top of that If you buy multiple sites you would have to host them somewhere else to get a unique IP for each one right?? I am definitely interested in learning about how you are doing this?!
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          • Profile picture of the author thebarksmeow
            Originally Posted by Liquidgraph View Post

            Terry, I'm curious to how you would go about doing this? I mean first of all an aged high PR domain would definitely not be cheap and where would you buy them? And on top of that If you buy multiple sites you would have to host them somewhere else to get a unique IP for each one right?? I am definitely interested in learning about how you are doing this?!
            You search for aged high PR domains through godaddy auctions (closeouts). There's other sites too like freshdrop. You have to do the work for checking PR ranking, registrar info, etc. For the hosting, you buy hosting that gives you multiple c class ip's. It's all on Terry's forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
    This was a pretty amazing experiment, thank you for sharing, I was wondering if you felt that SeoNuke was of any value to your experiment ?
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  • Profile picture of the author arifagic
    Great experiment!

    Thanks for sharing it..
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  • Profile picture of the author zk5182
    amazing amount of detailing in this experiment
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  • Profile picture of the author growclicks
    I love when people document their progress and methods!

    I definitely plan on utilizing your backlinking service. Roughly how many people sign up per month? Is it always 400? You can pm me that info if you don't want to make it public.

    For anyone interested in trying terry's methods with SEN, I just found this account creation service:

    Account Creation Order Form - Clysolutions.com

    This comes in handy if you don't have outsourcing staff on hand. When you add it up its actually cheaper to create 40 accounts with these guys then to hire and train full-time outsourcers to do the account creation.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    Terry,

    I am looking for a good software to speed the process with the profile link method and I can save my time. The software must be compatible with major forum platforms such as VBulletin, EE, SMF, Phpbb, IP Board, etc. And I can add or delete urls of the forums to list of the software as many as I want. I don't want the subscription monthly. Pay once time and use the software as many as I want. Do you know about this?
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    • Profile picture of the author TrafficMystic
      Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post

      Terry,

      I am looking for a good software to speed the process with the profile link method and I can save my time. The software must be compatible with major forum platforms such as VBulletin, EE, SMF, Phpbb, IP Board, etc. And I can add or delete urls of the forums to list of the software as many as I want. I don't want the subscription monthly. Pay once time and use the software as many as I want. Do you know about this?
      check my sig... if you more info then please pm me..
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      • Profile picture of the author JosephA
        Your challenge WF thread is far from dead Terry! Many thanks for sharing by the way - an incredible effort you've made here and fantastic detail of every move you made along the way!


        I did my own Challenge on the WF a while back and I heard your name crop up a few times from those who were following along with my thread. Now I have the time to come on over and read up about your 60 day-er. Just got past first page so a long way to go, but sure will be worth the effort!


        Thanks once again for the share and best wishes!

        Joseph
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  • Profile picture of the author jordanlover
    this thread is valuable!!!Looking for the results!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author samison
    Totally amazing thread. I have sat here reading it all day. Got to about page 9 then skipped to the end as I actually do have to get my backside in gear and do other things today.

    Just wanted to say thanks to Terry and everyone else involved for their generosity in sharing their knowledge and time.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaybo
    Hey Terry, i tried subscribing here: backlinksblackbelt

    but it gave me an error after trying to confirm!
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  • Profile picture of the author jaybo
    The trick with the linked smiley I learned in this thread is just hilarious and makes me smile
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt Henninger
      That is just one of the many tactical lessons you can learn from this thread. Truly one of the better ones i've seen here on this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author zealous
    Awesome Terry. Thank you for this post in its entirety. Backlinks Hydra freakin' ownsby the way.

    Rock on brother!

    Garrett
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
      Hi Terry,

      Great thread, I only just learned about you yesterday.
      Quick question, I started a new site in June, did article marketing,
      link exchanges, linkvana, bookmarking.

      In July was ranked 6th for homepage keyword, so I added 50 more articles, total 150, then started to do angela's backlinks, now my #6 ranking has disappeared, so far it has been 3 or 4 days, 109 pages are indexed.

      Anything I should do or not do.

      thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Hi there,

        Note that Terry doesn't really hang out around here very often (if at all anymore). The noise to good advice ratio just got too bad so must of us moved either partially or completely away from here. If you want to gain more of Terry's insights or chat with other backlinks, you should head over to the forum in my sig that Terry and I jointly formed about 6 months ago.

        He is also getting married this weekend!

        Tom


        Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

        Hi Terry,

        Great thread, I only just learned about you yesterday.
        Quick question, I started a new site in June, did article marketing,
        link exchanges, linkvana, bookmarking.

        In July was ranked 6th for homepage keyword, so I added 50 more articles, total 150, then started to do angela's backlinks, now my #6 ranking has disappeared, so far it has been 3 or 4 days, 109 pages are indexed.

        Anything I should do or not do.

        thanks.
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    Please update if it's working or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by johnl123d View Post

      Please update if it's working or not.
      Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

      Hi there,

      Note that Terry doesn't really hang out around here very often (if at all anymore). The noise to good advice ratio just got too bad so must of us moved either partially or completely away from here. If you want to gain more of Terry's insights or chat with other backlinks, you should head over to the forum in my sig that Terry and I jointly formed about 6 months ago.

      Tom

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  • Profile picture of the author mazin_o
    hello there ,

    i was able to read the initial posting about your seo experiment and couldn't track it all the way to the end due to the many pages i have to go through and now i have two questions to ask if you dont mind me asking

    1. what was your result for this exper

    2- whats the most valued backlinks you have had success with

    3 whats the backlinks package that you could sell . am willing to buy from you.

    thanks a lot and god bless
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    There's more great geeky linking stuff at the backlinkforums.com

    There are a tonne of link building geeks/gurus there!
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    cool thing here
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    • Profile picture of the author webazony
      hi terry,
      thanks for sharing this experiment with us. i learned a lot of stuff just by reading most of the pages of this thread. great info - you should have made an ebook!
      the little trick with the smiley is just so.... incredible!

      best regards,
      a.t.
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      • Profile picture of the author TrafficMystic
        Originally Posted by webazony View Post

        hi terry,
        thanks for sharing this experiment with us. i learned a lot of stuff just by reading most of the pages of this thread. great info - you should have made an ebook!
        the little trick with the smiley is just so.... incredible!

        best regards,
        a.t.
        You want to check out terrys 'backlink hydra' course.. It's very good and includes a lot of his research and tactics..
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenjotello
    regrettably, these types of threads can be removed. Too bad, I guess. There is always someone a little 'refers to a case study, and * poof thread removed.
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    I think "Backlinks Hydra" was one of the best ebooks i've read in my short 2 years of IM career.

    His tactics saved me hundreds of dollars
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  • Profile picture of the author fannyballard
    I'll make sure to follow this thread! I would really like to know the result and I do not doubt that you will remain consistent with the latest. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author co-creator
    woah! you got a lot of thanks for this post. I dont think I've ever seen anything like it. Great job... I personally love GoArticles too. I syndicate my articles using mostly ezinearticles and goarticles pretty much only for the backlinks... I won't lie though, I have gotten sales from syndicating too. It's a great way to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Great thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author exaltedadam22
    I will try to follow this thread! I'd love to know the outcome and I have no doubt that will remain constant until the end.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rhythms
      Originally Posted by albertleader22 View Post

      This looks to be a real riveting research. I'll be checking indorse ofttimes to see how it goes. Notwithstanding, I would intimate that you fastness the arena, the enclosure, and the article titles low your hat until after the 60 days are over. If you don't, your results are achievement to be inclined. Nonnegative, I've seen too galore present in various insular forums that when someone is doing a case musing, that all kinds of people adopt that it is exploit to be caretaker lucrative, so they descent in as compartment. If you impoverishment a impartial endeavour, you don't necessity those headaches to chronicle for.


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  • Profile picture of the author Soulofinfamy
    So how is the experiment going? Did everything turn out as how you expected?
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  • Profile picture of the author bob33229
    Thanks for sharing these detailed tips. I learnt a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author immick
    I think Terry has finished the case study here. You will want to check out his Backlinks Hydra report for some more good info.
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  • Profile picture of the author dulcificum
    Terry - have you stopped following this thread?
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  • Profile picture of the author freetz
    I'll try your advice.... thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author seriousbsnz
    What do you mean by go articles are particularly responsive to back links? One reason i have heard go article directory is useful is because a lot of auto blogs scrape articles from their directory. Is there other reasons to be using them?
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  • Profile picture of the author subzero525
    great post will check it regularly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teez
    Hi Ive been out of the game for a while since January 2011 actually to be exact was about to get back in and I heard about Panda

    I remember the last piece of my jigsaw was to get backlinks hydra back in December 2010/ Jan 2011 but I got sidetracked with finals.

    Anyways Im done now and wanna get back in is backlinks hydra still useful after Panda

    Because from my understanding some of the backlinking methods like article marketting have now become obsolete.
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      Somebody anybody??
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    • Profile picture of the author immick
      I would not say that article marketing is obsolete, but rather most of the article directories are less relevant. Article spamming does not work. G wants relevant content.

      Articles still work, maybe even better than before, as long as the content contains useful information and the article is posted on relevant sites. It appears that G frowns on article directories that cover the article with ads, etc.

      Blogs that contain useful information and are updated regularly work great. Some people still defend profile links and blog commeting, but I find them less effective. I concentrate on making good blog posts with a single link to my money site. Then I build a couple of tiers to that blog post. Tier one may be web 2.0 posts. Tier 2 may be profiles and blog comments to tier 1, but I am careful on which profile and blog commenting sources I use. I try to find those that have not been spammed to death and have less than 30 outbound links (OBL).

      This is just my opinion and method I use. Others will no doubtly disagree. As to whether backlinks hydra is still effective, I cannot give a direct answer since I did not buy it. However, anything that teaches the basics of link building is worthwhile as long as you understand that you will have to adapt some methods overtime. Terry Kyle has an excellent reputation for the quality of information he sells, so I think it might still be beneficial.



      Originally Posted by Teez View Post

      Hi Ive been out of the game for a while since January 2011 actually to be exact was about to get back in and I heard about Panda

      I remember the last piece of my jigsaw was to get backlinks hydra back in December 2010/ Jan 2011 but I got sidetracked with finals.

      Anyways Im done now and wanna get back in is backlinks hydra still useful after Panda

      Because from my understanding some of the backlinking methods like article marketting have now become obsolete.
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      • Profile picture of the author Teez
        Originally Posted by immick View Post

        I would not say that article marketing is obsolete, but rather most of the article directories are less relevant. Article spamming does not work. G wants relevant content.

        Articles still work, maybe even better than before, as long as the content contains useful information and the article is posted on relevant sites. It appears that G frowns on article directories that cover the article with ads, etc.

        Blogs that contain useful information and are updated regularly work great. Some people still defend profile links and blog commeting, but I find them less effective. I concentrate on making good blog posts with a single link to my money site. Then I build a couple of tiers to that blog post. Tier one may be web 2.0 posts. Tier 2 may be profiles and blog comments to tier 1, but I am careful on which profile and blog commenting sources I use. I try to find those that have not been spammed to death and have less than 30 outbound links (OBL).

        This is just my opinion and method I use. Others will no doubtly disagree. As to whether backlinks hydra is still effective, I cannot give a direct answer since I did not buy it. However, anything that teaches the basics of link building is worthwhile as long as you understand that you will have to adapt some methods overtime. Terry Kyle has an excellent reputation for the quality of information he sells, so I think it might still be beneficial.

        Thanks Immick yep with me (I studied law) so content being good has been drilled into us right from school.

        MY main issue is that I dont have a great site which looses out cos its not promoted as best as it should I've always heard praise about Terry's works so it was a no brainer for me las year but as I said Ive been out of the game for a while so wanted to be sure before purchasing because obviously I want to make the right investment.

        Ill exercise a little more patience for someone else who has bought the product to hopefully give me some advice too and then I can make the best informed decision.

        Once again thank you ever so much for your reply.
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    • Profile picture of the author leonc888
      Nice read here and i look forward to using this site
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  • Profile picture of the author niteshahir
    this is really a great post & work out .....

    I think i will go through with this...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrsparrow
    If you enjoyed this thread and you'd like to see more experiments from Terry Kyle check out his new forum at trafficplanet dot com. A few experiments are already on the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author WakondaMarketing
    Hi Terry,

    Thanks for this. Actually, I was doing the very same thing for months already. I'm very happy to know that finally, someone shared it to the world. I'm not good in words. My word to all Warriors is that Terry Kyle's formula is very effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaizenm
    Great Work!
    Thank you very much

    Abraham
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  • Profile picture of the author happygravity
    I definitely try this method on my project.

    Thanks, Terry.
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  • Profile picture of the author dumaharyanto
    just wanna try in my projects
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  • Profile picture of the author CaptainNewgate
    k ...

    Hope you made some sense out of the experiment ..

    trying to figure out the result from all these wonderful comments..
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
    Many thanks for the great feedback.

    Though this experiment is comparatively ancient now, I'll monitor this thread daily as much as possible if you have follow up/related questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anita Clark
    Finally made it through the entire thread! Kudos to you Terry for being transparent through the process. What a wealth of information both in the trial as well as all the excellent comments. Still digesting what I believe will work in today's Google world.
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  • Profile picture of the author PowderPuff
    I will subscribe to this thread and learn from your results. good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Hansons
      Originally Posted by PowderPuff View Post

      I will subscribe to this thread and learn from your results. good luck
      This would be good idea, I think!

      As there are different strategies from different persons and this would explore the topic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
    If you enjoyed this 60 Day Experiment in 2009, I have a new big experiment on non-Google traffic generation running here now:

    My Big 2013 Live Google-Less Traffic Generation Experiment - Traffic Generation WITHOUT Google - Traffic Planet

    I look forward to your suggestions, questions, comments and thoughts on this new experiment!
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    • Profile picture of the author bryguy
      Seriously? Ummmm, this experiment is over 3.5 years old. Way to read the thread. Thanks for spamming us with your signature and useless content.

      Originally Posted by d10ko View Post

      I will try this later... lets see what i can.
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      • Profile picture of the author pjman
        @bryguy

        Ditto to you...
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    Now Penguin 2.0, you must adjust this update to win the SEO battle in Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotgirish
      Originally Posted by bryguy View Post

      Seriously? Ummmm, this experiment is over 3.5 years old. Way to read the thread. Thanks for spamming us with your signature and useless content.
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      this thread is older than the pyramids fella.
      Seems like you guys are in a hurry to leave your comments . Terry had given a link about his new experiment . Got to see it ?
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  • Profile picture of the author PrimaDNA1989
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    I learned quite a bit reading this 'ancient' thread and even paying a visit to traffic planet. Helpful indeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author sms2everyone
    hi terry,
    thanks for sharing this experiment with us. i learned a lot of stuff just by reading most of the pages of this thread. great info - you should have made an ebook!
    the little trick with the smiley is just so.... incredible!
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