I have mad respect for Google....But how can they do this?

by feedia
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Google is constantly evolving and changing the way they index websites and content. But recently there has been a lot of business owners that can't get indexed well, even for their own name!
As you know, getting indexed for your exact website/business name should be the easiest thing to accomplish.....but many, including a few of my recent websites are getting passed on by other websites, not even paying for their positions, that have nothing to do with their business, genre, or even have a close name. It can be overcome with some work, but this is getting out of control!

I truly believe it is time........and that someday soon a new Search Engine will step up to compete offering searches what they need - not just catering to advertisers. Can anyone say AMAZON?
#googlebut #mad #respect
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I can't even attempt to believe any of this.

    Show me a legit site that can't get indexed for their own domain name or business name.
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    • Profile picture of the author feedia
      I wish I had an example.
      I had a few people that I know having trouble.......I took them over 4 weeks just to get their name (entered exactly...not with .com) to show on the first page. I would have not believed it had I not actually seen it.

      Look at google for: forsaleinwi
      This is my .com website.
      It is now on page one, but I couldn't get it on page one for almost five weeks! I do realize that is because of the nature of the website.......but, it is the website name! - facebook is above it - and then remax. Both legit huge companies.......it's my facebook page......but remax should not be above me when it isn't called 'forsaleinwi'. - JUST MY OPINION!
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by feedia View Post

        I wish I had an example.
        I had a few people that I know having trouble.......I took them over 4 weeks just to get their name (entered exactly...not with .com) to show on the first page. I would have not believed it had I not actually seen it.

        Look at google for: forsaleinwi
        This is my .com website.
        It is now on page one, but I couldn't get it on page one for almost five weeks! I do realize that is because of the nature of the website.......but, it is the website name! - facebook is above it - and then remax. Both legit huge companies.......it's my facebook page......but remax should not be above me when it isn't called 'forsaleinwi'. - JUST MY OPINION!


        You're confusing indexed with ranked. Those are two totally different things.

        Your keyword (forsaleinwi) is the same as for sale in wisconsin which Remax ranks on the first page, granted it's at the 7th position but it's an authority site that has been around since the beginning of the internet, not 4 weeks. The ranked Remax page URL even includes your keyword without the stop-word (in)...
        • hxxp://www.remax.com/realestatehomesforsale/wi-sitemap.html

        BTW, nobody is searching for forsaleinwi.
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        • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
          Yes; not sure why anybody would search for that, or want to rank for it. Unless they have some pretty specific search terms in mind
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        • Profile picture of the author feedia
          Correct.....not many people type that exact search. And the site is burried when you search 'for sale in wisconsin'.....but that is my fault......too many irons in the fire to give it the attention it needs.
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        Originally Posted by feedia View Post

        .....but remax should not be above me when it isn't called 'forsaleinwi'. - JUST MY OPINION!
        Remax should be above you because they have a real business in real estate, and many years behind them.

        Google is trying to figure out what the searcher is searching for.

        I would imagine that if you did a search for the site, forsaleinwi.com, it would pop right up.

        But as said above in similar fashion, nobody in their right mind would be searching for "forsaleinwi.com" except the misguided person who owns the thing and thinks it's the $#!^$ above remax....

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        • Profile picture of the author feedia
          I agree to a point.....but my site is not necessarily real estate. But if I am a searcher looking for a website called 'forsaleinwi', that exact term should bring it up first! I don't give a crap about authority.....blah....blah....blah. I want what I searched for!
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by feedia View Post

            I agree to a point.....but my site is not necessarily real estate. But if I am a searcher looking for a website called 'forsaleinwi', that exact term should bring it up first! I don't give a crap about authority.....blah....blah....blah. I want what I searched for!


            You're living in noob fantasy world If you think authority (authority link profile) isn't the single strongest ranking factor.

            You can blah blah blah all day long but you won't take down established authority with wishful thinking.

            Odds are you will eventually rank #1 for your keyword (forsaleinwi) because nobody, even Remax cares about an unknown keyword. Remax only ranks, again, because it has what, 22 years of indexed history, including their backlinks being idnexed.
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        • Profile picture of the author feedia
          So.....if you own 'imadouchebag' and that is your business, my website 'peanutcupflavoreddouchebag' (that has been on the net for 5 years vs. 1 year should show before you in the search engine when I typed in the exact phrase 'Iamadouchebag'.
          I get everything you are saying - but when a consumer is looking for an exact name whether it has been online 2 months or 20 years......that exact thing should show in the search....otherwise it's not serving me the searcher correctly!

          Be all critical all you want with your 'insults'.....this wasn't about my website! I could care less.....that site is an after thought.......this was a 'general' question.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by feedia View Post

            So.....if you own 'imadouchebag' and that is your business, my website 'peanutcupflavoreddouchebag' (that has been on the net for 5 years vs. 1 year should show before you in the search engine when I typed in the exact phrase 'Iamadouchebag'.
            I get everything you are saying - but when a consumer is looking for an exact name whether it has been online 2 months or 20 years......that exact thing should show in the search....otherwise it's not serving me the searcher correctly!

            Be all critical all you want with your 'insults'.....this wasn't about my website! I could care less.....that site is an after thought.......this was a 'general' question.

            It is not about age of a domain or business. Age has nothing to do with rankings. Your site is not getting outranked because it is newer. It is getting outranked because the other website is more authoritative and just as, if not more so, relevant.

            Just because it is a "business name" doesn't mean it should appear first.

            I'll give you an example of why it should not work that way.

            Let's say you start a business named Auto Parts and buy the domain autoparts.com. Now when someone searches for 'auto parts' should that business come up first? Should it outrank AutoZone, PepBoys, and a thousand other businesses that deal in auto parts? Of course not.

            Google cannot distinguish if the searcher is looking for car parts or the business Auto Parts specifically. Most searches are going to be for car parts, so that is what they are giving to the searcher.
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    Google seems to be as efficient as ever to me. Namely because, no matter what you are looking to rank for, you have to pay your dues and earn it over months and years. Doesn't matter if it is your name, or anything. This prevents folks from gaming the system, which works better for all of us, and which generally ensures that any ranking sites are in fact authority sites and trusted resources.
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    Originally Posted by feedia View Post

    I agree to a point.....but my site is not necessarily real estate. But if I am a searcher looking for a website called 'forsaleinwi', that exact term should bring it up first! I don't give a crap about authority.....blah....blah....blah. I want what I searched for!
    Google's entire search algorithm is built around authority. That exact term should not bring up your site first. As Yukon pointed out, there is a better site that has that exact term in the URL.


    Originally Posted by feedia View Post

    Correct.....not many people type that exact search. And the site is burried when you search 'for sale in wisconsin'.....but that is my fault......too many irons in the fire to give it the attention it needs.

    Correction. NOBODY types that exact search.
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  • Profile picture of the author feedia
    *READ* my initial post. This IS NOT and HAS NEVER BEEN about my website! I own dozens of websites and the one I used as an example is not what this is about! Someone asked for an example - and that is all I had to use at that moment!

    YES - Google basis their search indexing on Authority! I know that - I understand that!
    BUT - you all agree that if a consumer types an exact business/website name in the search (because they want to go to that exact site) that other more established websites should show first? If you are saying yes, then I disagree completely!
    What is the search for?
    For users to find exactly what they are looking for!
    I guess I am alone in that thought......but as a user - I get annoyed when I can't find a business/website in a search.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      If your name is built with words that make up a common phrase, it makes sense to me that you won't be #1 of that bat.

      Till Google figures out that there's a business with that name, it assumes people mean the name with spaces between the words, as in for sale in wi.

      Originally Posted by feedia View Post

      *READ* my initial post. This IS NOT and HAS NEVER BEEN about my website! I own dozens of websites and the one I used as an example is not what this is about! Someone asked for an example - and that is all I had to use at that moment!

      YES - Google basis their search indexing on Authority! I know that - I understand that!
      BUT - you all agree that if a consumer types an exact business/website name in the search (because they want to go to that exact site) that other more established websites should show first? If you are saying yes, then I disagree completely!
      What is the search for?
      For users to find exactly what they are looking for!
      I guess I am alone in that thought......but as a user - I get annoyed when I can't find a business/website in a search.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        Till Google figures out that there's a business with that name, it assumes people mean the name with spaces between the words, as in for sale in wi.


        That's why Google is saying the OP domain name keyword is a typo.

        Did you mean:
        • forcellini
        • forsaleottawa
        • forsalefinn
        • forsalebyowner

        OP is basically where forsalebyowner.com was years ago, starting from nothing and trying to establish the domain name on the SERPs instead of triggering a typo search query.

        Damn Google, making people work for the money.
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          I've been damning it for years, on behalf of all the future online entrepreneurs who will want to cut one corners too many.

          No effect. So, I guess, yeah, peeps still have to do the work. Sad!

          Originally Posted by yukon View Post


          Damn Google, making people work for the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Your site ranks number one for me today...So it was just a matter of time not anything else.

    probably need a better example
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Your site ranks number one for me today...So it was just a matter of time not anything else.

      probably need a better example



      Remax still #1 here, OP up to #2 for forsaleinwi.

      This forum thread will probably be ranked soon.
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