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Google Sniper - Keyword Elite vs MS vs MNF vs Google KT

by Antony103
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Hey guys, i have bought

Keyword Elite, Market Samurai, MNF.

SO i was researching a niche...

for a long tail keyword searched (""how to XXX XXX")

i ran it through all the software i own just to check....

the results show

In google KT. it gets 4400 Exact matches
In KE it gets: 320
In MS it gets: 325
In MNF it gets : 4400 exact matches


as i am doing this for google sniper.

The manual says to find a kw with about 3,000 searches

now im really confused who i should look at?

any one any ideas

thanks in advance
#elite #google #keyword #mnf #sniper
  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    I believe MS and KE go by daily searches... although that makes it twice as high as the others.

    Do you have them set to phrase match, exact, or broad?
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  • Profile picture of the author vicone
    Make sure you are comparing Apples with Apples.

    The programs can return different results depending on whether you are using a broad search, a phrase search, or an exact search, so make sure they all have the same setting when you are comparing results.

    As well, MNF retrieves its data from Google so it won't be a surprise if the figures closely correspond. However using the Google Keyword Tool, whilst useful, can be labor intensive and MNF is designed to reduce a lot of the steps, and work, involved in using Google's data.

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  • Profile picture of the author Antony103
    On, MNF it is set to Exact as default.

    For MS it says daily searches.

    however for KE it says monthly searches.. I use the google search dominator with the kw in "quotes"

    Edit: can anyone show me how to make sure its exact searches for KE and MS?

    thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author George Montagu Brown
      Originally Posted by timbuck2 View Post

      On, MNF it is set to Exact as default.

      For MS it says daily searches.

      however for KE it says monthly searches.. I use the google search dominator with the kw in "quotes"

      Edit: can anyone show me how to make sure its exact searches for KE and MS?

      thanks
      hey man, for ke quotes is exact match I believe :-)

      On the subject of ke tools for google sniping, I have tried all three (used MNF) for a long time... But since Brad released KE2.0 I only use that. The accuracy of the competition strength tab is worth it alone.

      George
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      • Profile picture of the author Antony103
        Thanks George; the results differ alot then

        because:

        KE with the phrase in quotes shows 320 monthly searches
        where as MNF shows 4400 for exact mnthly searches.

        this could conflict alot of research ive done...

        So your suggesting to scrap the keyword if its only 320?


        PS George have you considered starting a forum for Google Sniper Members, it would help greatly?
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        • Profile picture of the author jayveen
          Somebody on WF said that the Google keyword tool is for adwords, and that only about 10% of its results are from direct searches. I'm not sure what that means, but I think it means searches that google counts searches in the content network as well. Anyway, that WF member said to take about 10% of the Google keyword results to be the actual number of searches.
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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      first thing mate, dont use quotes for the search engine dominator.

      Or you wont get the proper results back, it'll come back as insufficient data.

      Same goes for the market research slueth, you dont need to add quotes in there, if you are, then you're doing it wrong.

      That's why KE 2.0 has 3 tabs under the results, broad, phrase and exact.

      If you apply the google sniper method as George nicely lays out in his course, click on the phrase match to get what George asks you to follow.. then if you want to see the targeted sentiment, click the exact match.

      Originally Posted by timbuck2 View Post

      On, MNF it is set to Exact as default.

      For MS it says daily searches.

      however for KE it says monthly searches.. I use the google search dominator with the kw in "quotes"

      Edit: can anyone show me how to make sure its exact searches for KE and MS?

      thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author gmr324
        If you apply the google sniper method as George nicely lays out in his course, click on the phrase match to get what George asks you to follow.. then if you want to see the targeted sentiment, click the exact match.
        So, there's many articles touting the fact that the Google keyword tool numbers are inflated since they include all the data centers and are meant for Adwords analysis.

        The page 1 / position 1 spot will usually see only 10% of what the shown figures are
        since the figures are inflated by a factor of 5 and the top position only sees half of that.

        So, with Keyword Elite, does that factor of 10 adjustment still have to be applied to the
        phrase match numbers?

        Thanks

        George
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  • Profile picture of the author Doiron
    Motivated by timbuck2's post, I thought I'd try a little experiment.

    I ran two different keyword phrases through KT, MNF, KE, NicheHorde and Traffic Travis. I used the Google results solely for Traffic Travis.

    The results for KT and MNF were identical (no surprise) but the others varied by quite a bit.

    (All with exact phrase match)
    KP #1: KT & MNF = 9,900; KE = 900; TT = 9,570; NH = 1,800
    KP #2: KT & MNF = 1,900; KE = 510; TT = 2,340; NH = 540

    I tried one other KP that didn't show up in Niche Horde, but the other results were:
    KP #3: KT & MNF - 3,600; KE = 2,340; TT = 5,220

    As you can see, there doesn't seem to be an easily identifiable formula to reconcile these numbers.

    I'm not sure which to trust.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      With regards to Niche Horde, it uses the Google search keyword tool as the basis of it's data rather than the adwords keyword tool. This gives a better impression of actual searches conducted on Google. I have created a video explaining a few things on my blog here...

      Originally Posted by Doiron View Post

      Motivated by timbuck2's post, I thought I'd try a little experiment.

      I ran two different keyword phrases through KT, MNF, KE, NicheHorde and Traffic Travis. I used the Google results solely for Traffic Travis.

      The results for KT and MNF were identical (no surprise) but the others varied by quite a bit.

      (All with exact phrase match)
      KP #1: KT & MNF = 9,900; KE = 900; TT = 9,570; NH = 1,800
      KP #2: KT & MNF = 1,900; KE = 510; TT = 2,340; NH = 540

      I tried one other KP that didn't show up in Niche Horde, but the other results were:
      KP #3: KT & MNF - 3,600; KE = 2,340; TT = 5,220

      As you can see, there doesn't seem to be an easily identifiable formula to reconcile these numbers.

      I'm not sure which to trust.
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  • Profile picture of the author Antony103
    thanks for the post and effort doiron, yeh im having trouble which to trust as well.. this can be a determining factor whether to dive into a niche thats worthwhile...
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    Not sure where you got that number from. You can not go by what others say with this 10% figure. There's a lot of variables involved, such as account history. Longer you've been with them, with good QS, the more impressions you'll get. However, the total clicks you get is not just reliant on how long you have been with them, or if you have an immaculate account history, it's also based on how well targeted your keywords are, and most importantly, other than your landing page, is your advert. Adverts at the end of the day, as Im sure you're aware, is how many people actually click on them.

    Now, to have an ad at the top, does not mean you will get the most clicks, I have found that the most clicks I get are generated via ad position 6.

    more over, we have to take into consideration their search partners, a search partner is also comprised of those who have adsense on their pages, ie, the google search bar, and your ads may not appear here if you opted out of the content network.

    AND on top of that, we have to take into account the seasonal trend as well...

    many factors to think about, so this factor of 10, is a load of, well... that stuff that smells nasty.
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  • Profile picture of the author fitzwar
    With these Sniper sites is there information about the new FTC guidelines that are coming out on Dec 1st 2009, as i've heard alot of people talk about how this will change the way affiliate marketers can advertise affiliate products and write testimonials on their blogs. It seems we have to be extra careful how we market certain products
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    • Profile picture of the author sarasayshi
      Originally Posted by fitzwar View Post

      With these Sniper sites is there information about the new FTC guidelines that are coming out on Dec 1st 2009, as i've heard alot of people talk about how this will change the way affiliate marketers can advertise affiliate products and write testimonials on their blogs. It seems we have to be extra careful how we market certain products
      I thought this only applied to reviews of products that were given as an incentive ( i.e. given the product by the owner with the expectation of a good review) or payment for the review, but that it didn't apply to non-paid or non-incentive reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dani723
    The free Mozbar, that provides most of the main SEOmoz metrics for free, is more useful than all these tools put together.
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