On page 1 in 6 weeks using Reddit and Twitter

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Hi guys, here's a simple but very interesting case study.

I am building a crypto content website and wanted to test if Twitter and Reddit can be used for traffic and organic rankings.

I purchased the domain on 2018-08-12 and took about a week to put together the website

I hired someone to add some content and share it on Reddit, Twitter and other social networks on a regular basis.

Didn't want to do any other link building methods at all.

The result?

Search for crypto news network on Google and you can see the website BloqWire on the results in the first page (or on second according to your regional google results).

  • Reddit and Twitter is fantastic to build traffic if you share good content
  • Twitter hashtags really send you good traffic if you time the tweet really well and get some retweets
  • Google really counts the links from Reddit and twitter as backlinks
  • If a content site, always use Wordpress.
I didn't do any other promos at all. No other usual bakclinks building techniques. Just twitter and Reddit and it's only 6 weeks since the site is fully built.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Also, share your thoughts and insights on making it go up further. Thank you for your time.

How much traffic?

For those wondering about the amount of traffic from reddit, I'm not talking about a few hundreds, I'm talking about tens of thousands of visitors (there are posts that got more than 5000 visitors - to single post, yes)





How much ROI?

If the site keeps building more and more traffic and better organic rankings, can definitely charge more per sponsored posts. If you're wondering how much other similar content sites are charging people to publish sponsored articles, take a look at this:




Updates, Q&A:

Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

Looks very much like a professional website, I'm more curious of how much is the cost of development?
I spent about $200 on the website setup, and paying someone $300 per month to curate/create content on a regular basis, post on the website and then push on social media. I'm aiming at keywords that will bring better search traffic.

Currently the site gets about 30-40k visitors per month. About 70% referral/social traffic, 20% direct traffic and 10% organic search traffic.

Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

If you think you are that high because of reddit and twitter...you are a clueless loon.

Complete nonsense....the worst?

Only use wordpress...

WP is a huge piece of bloated sewage that doesn't do a thing magically for anyone.

Except someone peddling rides on unicorns.

Paul
In my experience, backlinks isn't the only thing that boosts your SE positions. If your website's keep on getting good amount of traffic, Google definitely adds that as a positive thing to boost your rankings, and this is not the first time I'm building traffic first and then ranking a website.

Wordpress is without any doubt the best CMS and easiest to build search engine friendly website. Wordpress has the most active and engaging community and it has a plugin or theme for almost anything and everything you need to make a QUICK and highly search engine friendly website. You sure can build such a website using any technology, but considering the ease and time needed, wordpress is definitely the one to go.

Google definitely gives good value to visits you acquire from social networks, just like contextual links from other relevant websites in your niche or in general.

You may disagree, but just my experience.

Originally Posted by fastreplies View Post

We're talking serious money here just to maintain your presence.

Are you getting back whatever you're putting in your investment?
Reason I'm asking, we do not use your channels and surely a penny
to promote our site and yet our "return on investment" much greater than,
what I'm just guessing your numbers.

There must be something you're not telling us, or maybe patiently waiting
when somebody will ask you to tell how so you can sell "How-to book".
I'm making more than I'm spending. I intend to build traffic, rank well and make more. If you check the posts on the site you can see that some posts are promotional, sponsored posts - I charge for those. So.

You may check any (popular) crypto content websites - they all get good number of sponsored posts and blockchain projects pay nicely for posting about them on sites with traffic. So that's what I'm aiming at.

Not at all patiently waiting for someone to ask what I have to sell here. Nothing to sell.

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

You posted this on Reddit too. You are ranking for something that nobody searches for. Nobody.
Yes, I know that the site's ranking for keywords without much search volume. And like I mentioned earlier the whole search traffic that's coming to the site is only 10% - but that's for now.

Getting ranked for long tail low competition keywords are the first step. The main goal is to rank for better keywords for example crypto news or other keywords that bring traffic.

The site is now on page 2 for 'live crypto news' and page 4 for 'crypto news'.

It has nothing to do with Reddit or Twitter. You could have done basically nothing and you would be ranking in the same spot.

Don't mislead people with this Reddit and Twitter nonsense.
It has everything to do with the traffic Reddit and Twitter sending. Google always rank sites with good traffic better than sites with no traffic. I'm just using Reddit and Twitter as a mean to build traffic - that's all.
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  • Profile picture of the author msulcs
    Interesting. Thank you for posting this.
    I'm a fan of Twitter & Reddit myself. They both work very well if combined together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Lim
    Looks very much like a professional website, I'm more curious of how much is the cost of development?
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

      Looks very much like a professional website, I'm more curious of how much is the cost of development?

      I spent about $200 on the website setup, and paying someone $300 per month to curate/create content on a regular basis, post on the website and then push on social media. I'm aiming at keywords that will bring better serach traffic.


      Currently the site gets about 30-40k visitors per month. About 70% referral/social traffic, 20% direct traffic and 10% organic search traffic.
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        Originally Posted by MervikHaums View Post

        I spent about $200 on the website setup, and paying someone $300 per month
        We're talking serious money here just to maintain your presence.

        Are you getting back whatever you're putting in your investment?
        Reason I'm asking, we do not use your channels and surely a penny
        to promote our site and yet our "return on investment" much greater than,
        what I'm just guessing your numbers.

        There must be something you're not telling us, or maybe patiently waiting
        when somebody will ask you to tell how so you can sell "How-to book".



        fastreplies
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        • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
          Originally Posted by fastreplies View Post

          We're talking serious money here just to maintain your presence.

          Are you getting back whatever you're putting in your investment?
          Reason I'm asking, we do not use your channels and surely a penny
          to promote our site and yet our "return on investment" much greater than,
          what I'm just guessing your numbers.

          There must be something you're not telling us, or maybe patiently waiting
          when somebody will ask you to tell how so you can sell "How-to book".



          fastreplies
          I'm making more than I'm spending. I intend to build traffic, rank well and make more. If you check the posts on the site you can see that some posts are promotional, sponsored posts - I charge for those. So.

          You may check any (popular) crypto content websites - they all get good number of sponsored posts and blockchain projects pay nicely for posting about them on sites with traffic. So that's what I'm aiming at.

          Not at all patiently waiting for someone to ask what I have to sell here. Nothing to sell.
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    If you think you are that high because of reddit and twitter...you are a clueless loon.

    Complete nonsense....the worst?

    Only use wordpress...

    WP is a huge piece of bloated sewage that doesn't do a thing magically for anyone.

    Except someone peddling rides on unicorns.

    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      If you think you are that high because of reddit and twitter...you are a clueless loon.

      Complete nonsense....the worst?

      Only use wordpress...

      WP is a huge piece of bloated sewage that doesn't do a thing magically for anyone.

      Except someone peddling rides on unicorns.

      Paul
      In my experience, backlinks isn't the only thing that boosts your SE positions. If your website's keep on getting good amount of traffic, Google definitely adds that as a positive thing to boost your rankings, and this is not the first time I'm building traffic first and then ranking a website.

      Wordpress is without any doubt the best CMS and easiest to build search engine friendly website. Wordpress has the most active and engaging community and it has a plugin or theme for almost anything and everything you need to make a QUICK and highly search engine friendly website. You sure can build such a website using any technology, but considering the ease and time needed, wordpress is definitely the one to go.

      Google definitely gives good value to visits you acquire from social networks, just like contextual links from other relevant websites in your niche or in general.

      You may disagree, but just my experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    You posted this on Reddit too. You are ranking for something that nobody searches for. Nobody. It has nothing to do with Reddit or Twitter. You could have done basically nothing and you would be ranking in the same spot.

    Don't mislead people with this Reddit and Twitter nonsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ettienne
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You posted this on Reddit too. You are ranking for something that nobody searches for. Nobody. It has nothing to do with Reddit or Twitter. You could have done basically nothing and you would be ranking in the same spot.

      Don't mislead people with this Reddit and Twitter nonsense.
      Agreed. If it was possible to rank anything decent using only Reddit and Twitter we'd all be billionaires within a year.
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You posted this on Reddit too. You are ranking for something that nobody searches for. Nobody.

      Yes, I know that the site's ranking for keywords without much search volume. And like I mentioned earlier the whole search traffic that's coming to the site is only 10% - but that's for now.


      Getting ranked for long tail low competition keywords are the first step. The main goal is to rank for better keywords for example crypto news or other keywords that bring traffic.


      The site is now on page 2 for live crypto news and page 4 for crypto news[/QUOTE]

      It has nothing to do with Reddit or Twitter. You could have done basically nothing and you would be ranking in the same spot.

      Don't mislead people with this Reddit and Twitter nonsense.
      It has everything to do with the traffic. Google always rank sites with good traffic better than sites with no traffic. I'm just using Reddit and Twitter as a mean to build traffic - that's all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MervikHaums View Post

        It has everything to do with the traffic. Google always rank sites with good traffic better than sites with no traffic.
        Unless you have a tracking script on your site or a chrome user is logged in to Google they have no way of knowing what a site's traffic is. Thats why its not a ranking factor. Your only evidence was a term that almost no one searches for that could rank anyway because no one else is trying for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author expmrb
    Twitter and reddit links don't help to get ranked that's for sure. Either OP has zero competition or not telling the full story.
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  • Profile picture of the author lambertson
    IMHO both OP and guys saying that links from Reddit and Twitter don't do much are right. Since I've started my presence on Reddit and Quora, my website had a significant boost in traffic and rankings as the result. However, I guess the reason is not directly in the links, but in traffic they generate.
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    • Profile picture of the author expmrb
      Originally Posted by lambertson View Post

      IMHO both OP and guys saying that links from Reddit and Twitter don't do much are right. Since I've started my presence on Reddit and Quora, my website had a significant boost in traffic and rankings as the result. However, I guess the reason is not directly in the links, but in traffic they generate.

      How much traffic you generate is irrelevant for your rankings.
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      • Profile picture of the author lambertson
        Do you work for Google? Why are you so sure that an increase in the number of naturally behaving users on your site should not be considered? Honestly speaking, I have no idea is it a ranking factor or not, just shared my thoughts.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by lambertson View Post

          Do you work for Google? Why are you so sure that an increase in the number of naturally behaving users on your site should not be considered? Honestly speaking, I have no idea is it a ranking factor or not, just shared my thoughts.
          Google doesn't use traffic because it is not something they have access to on every site for every visitor. It would make zero sense for them to use traffic.

          As an example, I had a client whose site had about 65% of their traffic using Microsoft Internet Explorer. About 35% of their search engines traffic came from Bing. They were using an analytics program other than Google Analytics. Piwik maybe, I forget now.

          That is a huge chunk of traffic on that site that Google would never be aware of.

          As an aside, those numbers might sound crazy. The client marketed to seniors over 65. Windows computers came with Internet Explorer as the default browser and Bing as the default search engine. We figured a lot of seniors didn't know how to change those (or that they should). To some of them, they probably didn't know Bing was different than Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by MervikHaums View Post

    The site is now on page 2 for live crypto news and page 4 for crypto news
    More keywords that nobody searches for.

    Originally Posted by MervikHaums View Post

    It has everything to do with the traffic. Google always rank sites with good traffic better than sites with no traffic. I'm just using Reddit and Twitter as a mean to build traffic - that's all.
    That is a lie. Traffic is not a ranking factor.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    As others have pointed out, you are ranking well for phrases that get close to one search per day and chances are very slim that the one person is clicking on your result at position #10. Reddit and Twitter had nothing to do with ranking well. You are there because it is a low competition phrase.

    That said, if you are truly getting 30-40,000 unique site visitor per month (you didn't mention if they were unique), that is outstanding and Twitter and Reddit may very well be helping you get tremendous exposure. Who cares whether visitors come from search engines or from social sites if it is targeted traffic?
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    Good job Mervik. Been meaning to spend a bit more time on Reddit.
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  • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
    It's really surprising to see that the number of people who believe that traffic has nothing to do with a website's ranking. Oh and, you don't necessarily have to install their script to let them know the amount of traffic a website gets.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by MervikHaums View Post

      It's really surprising to see that the number of people who believe that traffic has nothing to do with a website's ranking. Oh and, you don't necessarily have to install their script to let them know the amount of traffic a website gets.

      What's more shocking is how many people DO think that traffic impacts rankings.

      And without a script on the website or someone using Chrome, not including traffic from Google itself, how else would Google know how much traffic a website is getting? Google is not omnipotent.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MervikHaums View Post

      It's really surprising to see that the number of people who believe that traffic has nothing to do with a website's ranking. Oh and, you don't necessarily have to install their script to let them know the amount of traffic a website gets.



      Go ahead mervik tell us how google knows the traffic every site gets. the reason why you are surprised that people actually KNOW that Google can't know the traffic of every site is that you suffer from the idea that google owns the internet or can access all servers on the planet.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    There's an interesting article on CognitiveSEO that they claim proves that traffic from Reddit DOES affect rankings but only for as long as that traffic continues. https://cognitiveseo.com/blog/7013/t...resting-facts/

    This is somewhat similar to the study that Rand Fishkin did a couple of years ago that showed that an increase in organic clicks drove a site's rankings up. Although many people misinterpreted that study, denigrating it because the rankings were only temporary, they missed the bigger point, which is that if you sustain a higher level of organic clicks, the rankings may very well never drop to previous positions. (This point drives home the importance of creating attention getting title tags and meta descriptions that compel a click, perhaps.)

    I'm not sure how someone could devise such a test, but it would certainly be interesting to see if someone could create one that not only measured a sustained exposure that generated traffic from Reddit (and/or any other social channel), but measured a sustained spike in clicks organically.

    If nothing else, there appears to be a correlation here for both!
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      Yeah, we definitely need such experiment.
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

      There's an interesting article on CognitiveSEO that they claim proves that traffic from Reddit DOES affect rankings but only for as long as that traffic continues. https://cognitiveseo.com/blog/7013/t...resting-facts/

      This is somewhat similar to the study that Rand Fishkin did a couple of years ago that showed that an increase in organic clicks drove a site's rankings up. Although many people misinterpreted that study, denigrating it because the rankings were only temporary, they missed the bigger point, which is that if you sustain a higher level of organic clicks, the rankings may very well never drop to previous positions. (This point drives home the importance of creating attention getting title tags and meta descriptions that compel a click, perhaps.)

      I'm not sure how someone could devise such a test, but it would certainly be interesting to see if someone could create one that not only measured a sustained exposure that generated traffic from Reddit (and/or any other social channel), but measured a sustained spike in clicks organically.

      If nothing else, there appears to be a correlation here for both!
      Totally agree with it. Let's see how my site does in the coming weeks.
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      • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
        Originally Posted by MervikHaums View Post

        Totally agree with it. Let's see how my site does in the coming weeks.
        Well, if it does what it should do (according to this theory), it will fall from the ranks because the activity will die off.
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        • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
          Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

          Well, if it does what it should do (according to this theory), it will fall from the ranks because the activity will die off.
          In my case, the traffic has only increased, even the organic search traffic. Thinking of getting some relevant and contextual backlinks as well - to gain an overall advantage on SE results.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by MervikHaums View Post

            In my case, the traffic has only increased, even the organic search traffic. Thinking of getting some relevant and contextual backlinks as well - to gain an overall advantage on SE results.
            The more things like that which you do, the less you can say that Reddit and/or Twitter had anything to do with it. You are muddying the waters.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

      If nothing else, there appears to be a correlation here for both!



      Not Quite. the cognitiveseo article ignores a few things.

      QDF - new pages/stories on trusted sites routinely rank higher.

      The nature of reddit. A lot of webmasters get their news on reddit and will cite the source sites on their own websites and other forums that are crawlable.
      edit - majestic reports over a hundred incoming links to the page from 13 different domains.

      Plus they admit the link was a followed link.

      HOWEVER


      This DOES fall under the exceptions we have talked about. Google can know your traffic if you have a script installed and in his case the site reports from their GWT so it did

      I still think this is more likely to be a QDF affect. Google finds your content faster and crawls it sooner when it is picked up through GWT, Maybe even faster when the site is being updated with hits from GWT tracking.

      the cognitive seo article claims to have seen results within a day. Regular organic links do NOT affect rank that fast unless its a new content filter.

      It is HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely that google tracks the traffic numbers of every page on the internet DAILY and crunches the numbers DAILY. Thats an ENORMOUS server load for very little payoff. Its not something a programming team would do. Plus we would see a lot more changes in rankings for serps that don't change much for weeks and months if this kind of daily calculation was done.

      The fall off they saw was within three days and though we don't know the other pages in the serps its not likely they all got reddit like traffic in the same week and yet the cognitive site fell and was outranked again,

      That sounds like QDF to me maybe with some tie in from data google got from GWT.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        It is HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely that google tracks the traffic numbers of every page on the internet DAILY and crunches the numbers DAILY. Thats an ENORMOUS server load for very little payoff. Its not something a programming team would do. Plus we would see a lot more changes in rankings for serps that don't change much for weeks and months if this kind of daily calculation was done
        Actually G's bots are crawling, at least our directory, sucking enormous amount
        of bandwidths, almost 24 hours every day, but... I can bet, there is no way it can
        process all that information on a daily bases because newly added sites would be
        visible next day and they are not. It takes 2+ weeks for sites to appear in SERP.

        The problem is, too many people fail to distinguish between Google's myth and
        mighty God powers to create new style Internet's generated miracles making it
        the ruler with it own set of laws little Joe Public should religiously fallow or else
        and reality where power and money hungry organization methodically braking it
        users will to conduct their affair the way they are believing would benefit them.

        As long as people would willingly jump every time G. told them to jump as high
        as they can without asking why, you and other independent thinkers would hit
        wall of deafness nothing will defeat but some day inevitable wide-awakeness
        and sadden realization that Google is not their friend, never was and never will.



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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by fastreplies View Post

          Actually G's bots are crawling, at least our directory, sucking enormous amount
          of bandwidths, almost 24 hours every day, but.
          Crawling a site is not what he was talking about. He was talking about crunching traffic data each day.
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        • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
          Originally Posted by fastreplies View Post

          Actually G's bots are crawling, at least our directory, sucking enormous amount
          of bandwidths, almost 24 hours every day, but... I can bet, there is no way it can
          process all that information on a daily bases because newly added sites would be
          visible next day and they are not. It takes 2+ weeks for sites to appear in SERP.

          The problem is, too many people fail to distinguish between Google's myth and
          mighty God powers to create new style Internet's generated miracles making it
          the ruler with it own set of laws little Joe Public should religiously fallow or else
          and reality where power and money hungry organization methodically braking it
          users will to conduct their affair the way they are believing would benefit them.

          As long as people would willingly jump every time G. told them to jump as high
          as they can without asking why, you and other independent thinkers would hit
          wall of deafness nothing will defeat but some day inevitable wide-awakeness
          and sadden realization that Google is not their friend, never was and never will.



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    Me too ))
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    Interesting, thank for the spent time.
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by skibidi View Post

      Interesting, thank for the spent time.

      Glad you found it helpful
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    So do You think that nofollow links from good sources are also valuable?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Lovett
    Somehow I did not see the website address that we are discussing? Did I overlook it in this post?
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by Mark Lovett View Post

      Somehow I did not see the website address that we are discussing? Did I overlook it in this post?
      Hi Mark, yeah, I didn't share the link. It's bloqwire.
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    awesome mate. This could be one of the best way to bud traffic. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author zubizubi
    Well, its interesting.
    I have searched a lot on your post but could not find the name of your domain. Can you please let me know?
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  • Profile picture of the author imeyalo09
    I enjoy your write up...how many twitter follower do you have as at time if sharing your content and karma on your reditt account?

    I need to know type of theme you use for your blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by imeyalo09 View Post

      I enjoy your write up...how many twitter follower do you have as at time if sharing your content and karma on your reditt account?

      I need to know type of theme you use for your blog.
      I have about 9k following on twitter and 15k karma on reddit, but I'm not promoting it from my own accounts. I hired someone to do it. I'm using the coollist theme, for the the auto loading feature; but i think wordpress has many more and better themes.
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    That's some really good piece of information that you shared. I agree, if you post relevant and good content, Reddit and Twitter both tend to send you good amounts of traffic. And in your case study this resulted in even helping you rank in Google without building backlinks. That's really great to know. This puts more emphasis on the importance of having great Content on your website.
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by Rank Watch View Post

      That's some really good piece of information that you shared. I agree, if you post relevant and good content, Reddit and Twitter both tend to send you good amounts of traffic. And in your case study this resulted in even helping you rank in Google without building backlinks. That's really great to know. This puts more emphasis on the importance of having great Content on your website.
      Definitely. Good content and other organic traffic building methods do really help gain better attention from Google, resulting in better weight in search results and more search traffic.
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    Good job reddit is great
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    • Profile picture of the author MervikHaums
      Originally Posted by KhaledTop View Post

      Good job reddit is great
      Definitely. Redditors love good content. Once the page has good traffic, google lists them on top while comparing with similar pages.
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