Adsense...a drug I wish I never took

misterwrecker

15 years ago

Only creating WSOs may not be the best plan but it sure beats just buying them and not taking action.

-John

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Bryan Zimmerman 15 years ago

With adsense, I just couldn't take the chance that one day google could just flush everything I've done down the toilet like that. It's happened to to many people.

The WSO section, while I wouldn't build a business around it, there are def. some people who are making a living at it. Some have put out 15 WSO's a year and more. I've put out two and I can tell you that from the money you can make from them, if they are good, you can def. build a full time income like that.
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- lenlatimer 15 years ago
  
  Hi,
  It's a shame Google treats it's best customers this way. Google figures you, the paying customer, is less important that the free search customer - doesn't make a lot of sense. But there decision appear arbitrary made in their Ivory tower. And they don't give you any info to help.
  
  There's a lot of information on getting around the Google Slaps that may could help you. You might try some of those things - it appears Google has decided it doesn't like simple squeeze pages - and want more content. Good luck.
  
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- steve39 15 years ago
  
  I also found it really hard to pour my heart and soul into something that could be snatched away so easy. Fortunately, Google decided to take my account a few months back, before I managed to build my adsense empire to any significant size. In a way, they did me a huge favor and prevented me from wasting countless hours.
  
  I was depressed at first, but in retrospect, it was the best thing that could have happened. Funny, I used to always roll my eyes at people who came on forums complaining that their adsense account had been deleted - thinking that they were obviously doing something wrong. I thought there was no way I'd ever get touched because I had my account since the program started, my sites were professional and loaded with original content, and I followed the TOS religiously.
  
  Well, the truth is that they can, and will, take your account at their discretion.
  
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steveweber

15 years ago

I know what you mean for sure....I wrote an article 2 or 3 years ago: "Addicted to Adsense".

I try to always remind my students they shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket....Especially Google's. Not only do you severely limit yourself by just focusing on AdSense, your entire business model is hoping Google never gets a hair and suspends your account for some reason.

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x3xsolxdierx3x

14 years ago

Originally Posted by steveweber

I know what you mean for sure....I wrote an article 2 or 3 years ago: "Addicted to Adsense".

I try to always remind my students they shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket....Especially Google's. Not only do you severely limit yourself by just focusing on AdSense, your entire business model is hoping Google never gets a hair and suspends your account for some reason.

For sure, it's all about diversification (as much as I love Adsense)

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George Wright 15 years ago

Originally Posted by misterwrecker

Only creating WSOs may not be the best plan but it sure beats just buying them and not taking action.

-John

I agree. And it sure beats AdSense.

George Wright
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XFactor

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Scott Ames

Adsense is a drug. At least it was for me.

The problem is that I had success with it right away and started making good money. That doesn't sound like a problem, but it is. It is a problem because

1. It wasn't a long term business model
2. It made me lazy..

I didn't have to do anything much, the checks kept coming in. It made me totally lazy. I held off creating products and looking for other ways to bring revenue.

It had the opposite effect on me - Adsense made me work want to
work even harder, longer and smarter.

- John

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Brian Johnson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by XFactor

It had the opposite effect on me - Adsense made me work want to
work even harder, longer and smarter.

- John

John,

Agreed, I find that too many marketers are willing to
write off Adsense simply because they do not see all the
positive factors of the program.

Generally speaking I have found that easy "push button" solutions
are not true business models. The key is to work smart, use
automation in a white hat way.

Use scripts and software that save time, and then actually
use that time to create more.

I had the best adsense day in a while yesterday, nearly
$300 as I have heavily targeted Halloween for years.
I expect to hit $300 in the coming days.

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Dahlgren

14 years ago

Brian,

Are you saying that you attribute your near-$300 adsense day, yesterday, mainly to Halloween?

Originally Posted by Brian Johnson

John,

I had the best adsense day in a while yesterday, nearly
$300 as I have heavily targeted Halloween for years.
I expect to hit $300 in the coming days.

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Dahlgren 14 years ago

John, that would be hard for the OP to do given that G00gle knocked his adsense account into the abyss.

Originally Posted by XFactor

It had the opposite effect on me - Adsense made me work want to
work even harder, longer and smarter.

- John
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tommen

15 years ago

Adsense can be a good income stream, but very unsure, they can shut you down just like that.So, you need to have additional income streams and affiliate marketing keeps one busy.

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David Brown

15 years ago

I have often looked into Adsense but never did start anything with it. I was planning adding it to a new website, but after reading some of the comments here I am having doubts.

I guess I'll "fill up" the spaces with something affiliated :-)

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Dave

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trishworks4u 15 years ago

I've never made more than $25 off of adsense but have never really tried.

Excellent advice though. I get very very uneasy when I start to feel that all (or most) of my online income is coming from one place, one niche, or one strategy.

It's at that point that I start looking around for some diversification options....and with IM there's plenty!
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Cataleya

15 years ago

hmmm....I was thinking about doing some adsense along with article marketing I usually do, but after reading this, I`m not so sure anymore...

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Adam Carn

15 years ago

A long long time ago I used to make an absolute killing with AdSense but then one day, suddenly I got an email from Google informing me that my account has been banned. Their reason? "Invalid Clicks." Suggesting I've been clicking on my own ads. Now I didn't make a killing clicking on my own ads that's for sure.

Adam

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Shellfish

14 years ago

If you are a serious player like XFactor and if big G for some inexplicable reason shut you down there are a number of ways to open another account(s). You would be surprised at the number that have multiple independent current accounts to foresee challenges such as those described above. It's ok to keep all your eggs in one basket. Just be sure you have plenty of foam around each egg.

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Hyaku_Man 14 years ago

Good advice. It's important to diversify and keep developing new income streams. A person with only one income stream is very prone to going broke.

I like Adsense because the checks arrive without hassle and my Japanese bank knows who Google is so they don't freak out and investigate the source of the money, etc. But I've never seen Adsense as my business. It's one monetization strategy within my business.

I do Adsense, CPA offers, and some recurred billing membership sites. I'm looking forward to making my own products in the future (not IM niche).
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cagliostro

14 years ago

Reading the above, made me realize that half of my income is 100% dependent of adsense and while i'm 1000% tos compliant, i'm a bit worried now. Also i have put SO MUCH work for my 4 websites and i will be in a hard situation if google ever slaps me.

But i have no idea what else i could do.

btw: i see a LOT of mfa or junk websites in the niche i work in (travel) and they all run adsense for at least 2 years (that i know they do). Most of them also violate some tos rules. I can't understand how can google ban a legitimate account and leave those crap sites stay.

Sounds strange to me. Could be because those websites make pennies ?

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AvidAZ

14 years ago

What does WSO stand for?

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Hyaku_Man 14 years ago

Originally Posted by AvidAZ

What does WSO stand for?

Warrior Special Offer. Products sold only to Warriors.

To the guys above who had their accounts shut down, was that during the arbitrage crackdown?
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fortony

14 years ago

Isn't there some kind of appeal process?? No recourse at all?

Has anyone tried the other ad services? If so, how do they compare to Adsense?

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Dahlgren 14 years ago

Unfortunately, there is no negotiating with G00gle. They're too big to care, and you're too little to matter. Sad but true.

Originally Posted by fortony

Isn't there some kind of appeal process?? No recourse at all?

Has anyone tried the other ad services? If so, how do they compare to Adsense?
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pierro

14 years ago

I only had my adsense account for 1 week, accumulated $60.00, then came home one day switched on the pc to check account and wamo! cancelled account. Don't know why but after checking on forums and such for possible reasons I realized that I wasn't the only one, a matter of fact the list was huge and growing. I even read of some cases where people had their accounts cancelled at $10,000!
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crystalq

14 years ago

I was addicted until I found the eBays partner network(actually I use the 2 together

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Anyway, ebay works in the same way. They can take your account away whenever they want!

I have plan b'z now, so if one gives me the chop I can replace them fast.

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excloc

14 years ago

Reading all these sure make me worried. I have been running 33 sites on adsense for 1 year plus. All my visitors are jobseekers. What can I sell them?

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John Hixson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by excloc

Reading all these sure make me worried. I have been running 33 sites on adsense for 1 year plus. All my visitors are jobseekers. What can I sell them?

A Cv writing service
A CV writing guide
An interview guide
A job hunters guide
A benefits guide
A guide to making money online

Don't believe there is no money in job seekers. These are desperate people who will buy. Just make sure you are giving a quality, honest product that will help them (ok, not essential, but the only way i would be able to sleep at night when taking money from unemployed people).

A guide to job hunting, CV writing and interviewing could be worth its weight in gold to some people, it is amazing how many people go about job hunting in a 'bad' and ill thought out manner, or don't know how to write a CV, or don't know how to interview well, etc.
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cagliostro

14 years ago

Originally Posted by excloc

Reading all these sure make me worried. I have been running 33 sites on adsense for 1 year plus. All my visitors are jobseekers. What can I sell them?

I have no idea what you could sell to them but i do know that if i had 33 websites, i would definitely SPLIT them to 3-4 other accounts.

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excloc

14 years ago

Thanks for your advice. Do I have to tick the box(for another account) i am opening another adsense account when registering. if I do not, will adsense use it as an excuse to suspend my account?

Originally Posted by cagliostro

I have no idea what you could sell to them but i do know that if i had 33 websites, i would definitely SPLIT them to 3-4 other accounts.

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cagliostro

14 years ago

Originally Posted by excloc

Thanks for your advice. Do I have to tick the box(for another account) i am opening another adsense account when registering. if I do not, will adsense use it as an excuse to suspend my account?

This is something i would also like to know. If we have one account with several websites, how can we safely split them ?

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Hyaku_Man

14 years ago

You're not allowed to have more than one account, guys. If you really really need one, you need to use a different credit card, give them a different address, and use a different computer because they can see not only your ip address but other details that can identify your computer specifically. You really have to hide your identity from them.

But..some people do it. It's just a big pain in the ass. And who knows, maybe if you place Adsense back onto the same sites that got you banned, they'd just ban you again.

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John Hixson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Hyaku_Man

You're not allowed to have more than one account, guys. If you really really need one, you need to use a different credit card, give them a different address, and use a different computer because they can see not only your ip address but other details that can identify your computer specifically. You really have to hide your identity from them.

But..some people do it. It's just a big pain in the ass. And who knows, maybe if you place Adsense back onto the same sites that got you banned, they'd just ban you again.

Now I am just brainstorming here so i could be missing something obvious BUT

Can't you have a few Ltd companies set up, with various bank accounts - running seperate adsense accounts?

Look at it this way (with regards IP addresses, computers etc), it is not unreasonable for a company to hire another company to hire all their online activitiy - including running adverts such as adsense. So one ltd company can be running adsense for various websites for various different ltd companies all from the same IP and computer network.

Is the simple creation of various ltd accounts enough degree of seperation?

Now obviously if an account is banned you would have to be stupid to put someone elses adsense code on the site - especially numerous sites from the same account with new accounts all from the same (but new) adsense account... you would have to mark those sites as written off with regards adsense.

But it would seem to me a sensible way around one per person. I think I am right in saying (though you would need to consult a professional) that in the eyes of the law a ltd company is treated as an individual, rather than the people who owned it, unless fraud has taken place - meaning that you are effectively setting up new accounts with new people.

I could of course be taking out of my backside, as I said I am just brainstorming (and half remembering a few things I read somewhere but don't recall where)

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Originally Posted by cagliostro

I have no idea what you could sell to them but i do know that if i had 33 websites, i would definitely SPLIT them to 3-4 other accounts.

And that, ultimately is why people lose their Adsense accounts: Because they're breaking the rules. You just told a guy who is worried about losing his account to do something that can make him lose his account(s).

If you aren't breaking the rules, the likelihood that you'll lose your account is slim. Could it happen? Sure. Clickbank could kill your account too. So could Paypal. So could your merchant account. So could EzineArticles. There are no guarantees in business, or life. Instead of worrying about Google killing your business, I'd be more concerned about the government doing it.
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- jimkirk1943 14 years ago
  
  [QUOTE=Black Hat Cat;1332274]If you aren't breaking the rules, the likelihood that you'll lose your account is slim.
  
  Now thats more like it !! Christ reading threads like this gives me a real low feeling but i just cannot help myself from reading them ! Im going to finish this thread with this comment "If you aren't breaking the rules, the likelihood that you'll lose your account is slim." And just belive lol
  
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ak2000 14 years ago

Originally Posted by excloc

Reading all these sure make me worried. I have been running 33 sites on adsense for 1 year plus. All my visitors are jobseekers. What can I sell them?

Hi Exloc
I sell a product helping jobseekers succeed at investment banking interviews, would you be interested in a JV?
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TomBond

14 years ago

Traffic is the key ingredient. It doesn't matter if Google suspends your Adsense account because if you've got quality traffic you can monetize it in any number of ways. Adsense is probably just the easiest for newbies to set up, but it doesn't mean it's the most profitable for you and your traffic.

Look outside the box and you'll be amazed at what you may find

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cagliostro

14 years ago

Originally Posted by distinctly_digital

Traffic is the key ingredient. It doesn't matter if Google suspends your Adsense account because if you've got quality traffic you can monetize it in any number of ways. Adsense is probably just the easiest for newbies to set up, but it doesn't mean it's the most profitable for you and your traffic.

Look outside the box and you'll be amazed at what you may find

Well, if you are unfortunate to live in a country other than the big and strong ones, you are in trouble. Most non-adsense systems do NOT support minor countries.

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promo_guy

14 years ago

I can't stress enough to a) not get lazy and b) don't keep all your eggs in one basket unless it's Easter.

I got lucky my first stab at IM, within 4 months I was making $30k/month sometimes more, in pure profit. It allowed me to get a house, live comfortably, etc. for a couple years. But, I didn't diversify. I mean, when you make that much and only work a couple hours per day, who wants to work? lol

But, the past 2 years have meant working long days, making a mere fraction as before, and now I am trying to get back to that point (or better) through diversification, outsourcing, and so on.

I've learned more about IM AFTER my income died than I did when I was "successful". I'll never rely on one income source again, even if I find one that returns a superb ROI. Adsense, CPA, even your own products won't last forever.

So, the journey continues...

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werner77

14 years ago

Scott

My story was exactly like yours and wish that I spent the year I built adsense sites on my current long term model!

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DrGUID

14 years ago

YieldBuild might be a good way to diversify away from AdSense - it can plug other ad networks into your site and thereby reduce risk somewhat. My site isn't big enough yet but it also optimises ads to show the most lucrative ad network for your pages.