Local SEO Company Nor Ranking Well

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We have a local SEO company In Dublin that owns few carpet cleaning websites, some power washing, window cleaning, painting companies, etc. But even if they have a very impressive list of customers, they rank very poor.

I do SEO for my own website and i am much better than they are. We are not talking of a dude in his attic, this is a professional website builder & SEO company with 15 staff. I had a look at 10-15 businesses managed by them. Very average positions. The level of SEO they provide for a package of 500 euro per month is truly impressive. But it does not provide results.

I reach my 1st position with regular blog postings & quality content. But content posting is only 1% of what they do.

So my question is, do they lie to people or SEO is now nonsense?

500 euro - Deal
-full website error repairs
-20 article postings per month
-50 links per month
-20 blog postings
-20 press releases
-1000 likes on facebook
-1 video per month - youtube

12 months later, page 1 but bottom of the page for their own website

?
#company #local #ranking #seo
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  • Profile picture of the author SerpTrust
    I'd say that's one pile of spam and I wouldn't recommend it at all.

    I bet they also have a large list of technical SEO that they perform and most of it is kind of redundant, so at first sight it all looks impressive but personally I would stay away from such company.

    The main ranking factors are still content and backlinks but not just any links, and repeating a press release each and every month and 20 article postings (probably low-quality article directories or maybe even a private blog network is a definite no-go).

    SEO is no nonsense but what they are doing is a very outdated approach.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by SerpTrust View Post


      SEO is no nonsense but what they are doing is a very outdated approach.
      When I saw "press releases" I thought I had gone back in time (and even then those rarely worked)
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    Not to mention getting "1,000 Facebook likes", as if that has anything to do with SEO or that those Facebook likes are even from real people.
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    • Profile picture of the author codyhay
      About 1000 Facebook likes, I am pretty much sure after the completion of the campaign, they tend to declines. Since most of them are from fake a/c's.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    In order to lie, they'd have to know much of what they offer is not great or crap.


    A lot of people offer tiered links that involve thousands of crappy backlinks... But, if they create images/videos that float to the top of page one for local keywords, they get their clients visitors, buyers.


    They call it SEO but it's more like buying advertising. Essentially, none of their work does much for ranking a page on the main site high but some of the stuff they do ends up seen by the right people anyway.


    Think of it this way:


    You have a client in Milwaukee and you are shooting for, say, Shoe Store Milwaukee. You, the SEO company, create 10 videos for

    • Whitefish Bay
    • Fox Point
    • Merton
    • Elm Grove
    • Bayside
    Which you link to the owner's main site and 1000 links to each video and 2 or 3 of those videos will end up on page 1 for their keyword (Shoe Store Fox Point, for instance) and they happen to be close enough so they get a sale or 5 from the video.



    From the point of view of the business, all that matters is that they got sales, they don't care if it was because of SEO or because for a few days a video that was sold to them as part of SEO acted like an ad.


    That is, if the cost to make the sales was below their limit.


    What you are against is this: you could do better SEO but it does not matter. Best thing you could do is learn from this: it's not the tool that matters but the results. And the results for most businesses are sales with an acquisition price of $x or less.


    Getting someone to the top of Shoe Store Milwaukee takes more effort /resources than getting them a sale from a video that targets a neighborhood or suburb of Milwaukee.


    If I were you and in competition with those people, I'd rank my clients above them on the neighborhood / suburb level first (and, maybe, only).
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  • Profile picture of the author msulcs
    You saw the rankings yourself. Their services are shit.
    For people who don't know what SEO is they might think it's a good deal. But if there's no improvement in SERP's then I would stop using their services in 6 months. Maybe less. It depends on their reports what have they done. Since I know SEO, it wouldn't take me months to evaluate the quality of their work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Stuart
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    It really depends on the quality of the work.
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  • Profile picture of the author codyhay
    You will eventually lose the like states since most of the likes are paid one and after stopping the ads they tend to fall. Only the genuine one stays.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheaphosting
    Out of interest have you checked their backlink profile? - strong possibility they are not really doing that volume of work if they are not achieving good results
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  • Profile picture of the author KylieSweet
    Originally Posted by carpetcleaningdublin View Post

    500 euro - Deal
    -full website error repairs
    -20 article postings per month
    -50 links per month
    -20 blog postings
    -20 press releases
    -1000 likes on facebook
    -1 video per month - youtube
    12 months later, page 1 but bottom of the page for their own website?

    There's a big doubt on these activities because there is a possibility of improper implementation or negligence that's why it is not ranking well. Don't focus on quantities it will always leave a blind spot.
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    and thats cool
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  • Profile picture of the author Skywriting
    Originally Posted by carpetcleaningdublin View Post

    Hi We have a local SEO company In Dublin that owns few carpet cleaning websites, some power washing, window cleaning, painting companies, etc. But even if they have a very impressive list of customers, they rank very poor. ?
    Google can see most "pushed" SEO. They rank natural SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      No. They see badly pushed.

      Really.

      Originally Posted by Skywriting View Post

      Google can see most "pushed" SEO. They rank natural SEO.
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      • Profile picture of the author Skywriting
        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        No. They see badly pushed.

        Really.
        Yes, but over time they screen out any links that do not have natural traffic
        that is effective. Links to one site will not offer much "love" or "juice" to a page
        unless buying customers pass through the link. So links from paying customers
        get top priority.

        Links from non-paying customers are counter productive anyway.

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        When I saw "press releases" I thought I had gone back in time (and even then those rarely worked)
        They do rarely work......but they can work if done right.
        Like any news story...they need to be written with "magic" and
        not by normal humans.

        Originally Posted by carpetcleaningdublin View Post

        So my question is, do they lie to people or SEO is now nonsense?

        12 months later, page 1 but bottom of the page for their own website
        ?
        There own website has massive competition.
        I once filled the top 15 serp results for a client, but you can't hold those results without continued effort. And money.
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          How does Google know a paying-customer from a non-paying one?


          Let me give you a scenario:


          I own a wedding-dress store and put up an amazing guide on how to choose a wedding dress. It is so amazing, all the wedding-ring sellers and all the wedding photographers and all the wedding planners who have a site link to my guide. Not one of them buys.



          I am, let's say, in Boise. So, none of the Chicago or New York or Canada visitors to my guide plan on buying from me, none of them will buy from me.


          Why would Google penalize my uber-natural backlinks?


          Originally Posted by Skywriting View Post

          Yes, but over time they screen out any links that do not have natural traffic
          that is effective. Links to one site will not offer much "love" or "juice" to a page
          unless buying customers pass through the link. So links from paying customers
          get top priority.

          Links from non-paying customers are counter productive anyway.
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          • Profile picture of the author Skywriting
            Originally Posted by DABK View Post

            How does Google know a paying-customer from a non-paying one?
            Paying customers leave a trail of search up to a buying page. Google can see the pattern of such buyers no matter where they end up.
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            • Profile picture of the author DABK
              So, let's say I have an accounting firm; someone ends on my site, calls me but they do not hire me.

              How does Google know they did not?

              Originally Posted by Skywriting View Post

              Paying customers leave a trail of search up to a buying page. Google can see the pattern of such buyers no matter where they end up.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Skywriting View Post

      Google can see most "pushed" SEO. They rank natural SEO.
      I think this statement needs to be refined a bit... all SEO if done intentionally is "Pushed". what separates SEO from Good SEO is understanding "Exceptions". Its Exceptions that can easily be seen with mathematical equations IE Algorithms. On average your competitors have 2000 words per article and you have 10,000... THAT is an exception. Your competitors have 20 backlinks and you have 3000... THAT is an exception. Your competitors average 3 photos in their content and you have 10... THAT is an exception. Look at software like "SERPed" and they have the feature to identify this stuff.

      When an unnamed SEO expert finds their competitors pages on average had 3000 word counts on a page and he had 22,000 ( including comments ) - and listing in 7th.. and the day after he removed all the comments and brought the word count to a recommended level it went to #1.. Its time to pay attention. Exceptions are an SEO's worst nightmare - in a day and age of more is better... when that ( more ) simply is not the case.

      The truth is there are extremes here, there is "Pushed" ( more more more ) and then there is "Thin" as in not enough.... so understanding where that nuetral ground is, is key. And now unfortunately for me ( LOL ) there is a tool to find the sweet spot.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOmonsterj
    SEO has a more holistic approach and it is not what l say l would do, but it has to do more with the results.

    Everyone does SEO, but who can deliver results?

    So it is better to find a company that will really deliver than to place hefty links here and there.
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  • Profile picture of the author praetserge
    Originally Posted by carpetcleaningdublin View Post

    Hi

    We have a local SEO company In Dublin that owns few carpet cleaning websites, some power washing, window cleaning, painting companies, etc. But even if they have a very impressive list of customers, they rank very poor.

    I do SEO for my own website and i am much better than they are. We are not talking of a dude in his attic, this is a professional website builder & SEO company with 15 staff. I had a look at 10-15 businesses managed by them. Very average positions. The level of SEO they provide for a package of 500 euro per month is truly impressive. But it does not provide results.

    I reach my 1st position with regular blog postings & quality content. But content posting is only 1% of what they do.

    So my question is, do they lie to people or SEO is now nonsense?

    500 euro - Deal
    -full website error repairs
    -20 article postings per month
    -50 links per month
    -20 blog postings
    -20 press releases
    -1000 likes on facebook
    -1 video per month - youtube

    12 months later, page 1 but bottom of the page for their own website

    ?

    This is not the first time I see a post like this.
    Spun post and I mean I saw it on other forums... he just spins the post and spams forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author innateseo
    You can sell anything if you market it well.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Awesome contribution to the discussion.

      Originally Posted by innateseo View Post

      You can sell anything if you market it well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan S
    Spot on! First thing to check is if they do it to themselves what they tell to others. In this case, if they are true to their words, their website should have good search engine ranking to start with.
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