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I've been out of the site building SEO game for several years now but decided to give it another shot a couple of months ago. I basically built a small wordpress site on my own domain and hosting with articles for several non competitive keywords.

Back in the day, I could do this, a few social bookmarks and within 2 weeks I would see some small amount of traffic from Google as pages would get ranked for some super long tail keywords.

Fast forward to today and although the pages on my new site got indexed really quick they are just not ranking anywhere for anything and its been 2 months. Have things really changed that much that you cant even get a bit of low quality long tail traffic after 2 months? I know I need to throw some decent backlinks at the pages but I do have a few links but still no search traffic.

I am not asking to rank for the keywords I was going after, but just how long does it take if at all to get onto page 10 of Google SERPS?
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  • Profile picture of the author Svenska
    Have you bought a domain previously marked as a spam or malware domain?
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    • Profile picture of the author HaroldD
      Originally Posted by Svenska View Post

      Have you bought a domain previously marked as a spam or malware domain?
      Not that I know of Svenska. Will try and find out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bjoern1
    I guess nobody can give an exact answer how long it will take for your site to rank for long tail keywords, to get a decent amount of traffic. It simply depends on factors like competition, and the quality of your content and your backlinks.

    Do you know the tool Ubersuggest by Neil Patel? Just google it. It's free to start with and when you type in your domain, it shows you the keywords you are ranking for and your site's exact position in the SERPs for those keywords.

    This gives you a way to track your rankings and can motivate you, when you see your site climbing up.

    I started building my first site about 10 years ago and back then build a few backlinks and achieved a number 1 ranking in Google, which brought me 500 daily visitors. But I made a stupid mistake and my site got penalized and I lost all my rankings and traffic.

    If you are looking to make money from your project, like I guess we all do in a way, I suggest focusing on list building and email marketing, than on SEO. Or combine those strategies. Because an email list is the only secure asset you can build in your business, that no Google update or whatever else can take you away. At least, that's what I am doing now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Miracle Edet
      Thanks for sharing, can you please share the mistake you made, so we newbie can thread carefully
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  • Profile picture of the author Digital Solver
    How long has it been since you were in the SEO / Blogging game?

    Yes, it's harder than before, just because there is more 'stuff' on the internet, but the difference isn't huge - it really shouldn't be that difficult to get to pg 10 of google for related keywords.

    What niche are you in? And how much competition is there for your keywords?

    If it is your domain that is causing the problem, it could be one of the following:

    1. your domain is super keyword dense (i.e. wealthy-and-rich-passive-income-money-online . com) - Google perceives this as spammy and it will be more difficult to rank your page.
    2. Your domain has many hyphens, abbreviations or numbers, this is bad practice for ranking for the same reason as above.
    3. your top-level domain is a .xyz / .biz / .info or something like that - basically not one of the well known ones - this makes it harder to rank - .com is always going to be the best for ranking though.
    4. Svenska may have a point - what was on that domain before you got it? Did the previous owner violate any of google's terms and conditions?

    If you are doing everything correctly regarding SEO and you're still not ranking then in general it will have something to do with the above reasons.
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    • Profile picture of the author HaroldD
      Originally Posted by Digital Solver View Post

      How long has it been since you were in the SEO / Blogging game?

      Yes, it's harder than before, just because there is more 'stuff' on the internet, but the difference isn't huge - it really shouldn't be that difficult to get to pg 10 of google for related keywords.

      What niche are you in? And how much competition is there for your keywords?

      If it is your domain that is causing the problem, it could be one of the following:

      1. your domain is super keyword dense (i.e. wealthy-and-rich-passive-income-money-online . com) - Google perceives this as spammy and it will be more difficult to rank your page.
      2. Your domain has many hyphens, abbreviations or numbers, this is bad practice for ranking for the same reason as above.
      3. your top-level domain is a .xyz / .biz / .info or something like that - basically not one of the well known ones - this makes it harder to rank - .com is always going to be the best for ranking though.
      4. Svenska may have a point - what was on that domain before you got it? Did the previous owner violate any of google's terms and conditions?

      If you are doing everything correctly regarding SEO and you're still not ranking then in general it will have something to do with the above reasons.

      Thanks for your lengthy reply.

      1. No it isn't a spammy type domain name
      2. No hyphens either
      3. Its a .com
      4. As far as I can see on archive.org, it hasnt had anything on it before.

      As far as I know my SEO is okay. Usual stuff like H1 with keyword and some related keywords sprinkled in.

      Maybe I should look at the history of the domain a bit more,
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Very little has changed. Google ranks pages primarily based on the links pointing to the page and the content of the page.

    A site with nothing more than a few social bookmarks doesn't deserve to rank. Simple as that.
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    • Profile picture of the author HaroldD
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Very little has changed. Google ranks pages primarily based on the links pointing to the page and the content of the page.

      A site with nothing more than a few social bookmarks doesn't deserve to rank. Simple as that.
      I agree, I was just saying that is what used to happen to get some traffic from a few crappy keywords after a couple of weeks. What i'm saying is that it doesnt seem to happen like that any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author VirtualVeena
    HaroldD
    I totally agree with you.
    Ranking a new site on Google, is like playing cricket without a bat.
    It is very hard to rank new sites and getting visitors to a new site is so horrible.
    One literally goes batty trying to do this.
    Regards.
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    • Profile picture of the author HaroldD
      Originally Posted by VirtualVeena View Post

      HaroldD
      I totally agree with you.
      Ranking a new site on Google, is like playing cricket without a bat.
      It is very hard to rank new sites and getting visitors to a new site is so horrible.
      One literally goes batty trying to do this.
      Regards.
      This made me laugh out loud! Cricket without a bat is about right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thinkfast
    Originally Posted by HaroldD View Post

    I've been out of the site building SEO game for several years now but decided to give it another shot a couple of months ago. I basically built a small wordpress site on my own domain and hosting with articles for several non competitive keywords.

    Back in the day, I could do this, a few social bookmarks and within 2 weeks I would see some small amount of traffic from Google as pages would get ranked for some super long tail keywords.

    Fast forward to today and although the pages on my new site got indexed really quick they are just not ranking anywhere for anything and its been 2 months. Have things really changed that much that you cant even get a bit of low quality long tail traffic after 2 months? I know I need to throw some decent backlinks at the pages but I do have a few links but still no search traffic.

    I am not asking to rank for the keywords I was going after, but just how long does it take if at all to get onto page 10 of Google SERPS?

    SEO is name of patience and so you need to build quality backlinks for your site (home page and inner pages according keywords).


    If you are able to get quality backlinks then site can rank within few weeks otherwise it takes years also for good ranking. Generally three to six months is enough to promote websites.


    If you are managing site in wordpress then can install also SEO plugins who can support you in on page optimization also ....... because now a days on page optimization value is also very high ..... if good on page then off page works will help you otherwise backlinks are a bit useless.


    In short do on page first and then go for link building to take effects as soon as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tung Dao
    Yes, SEO is harder now. And I think it's going to be harder and harder in the future.
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  • bookmarks and domains with low value or 'trust' simply won't do anymore. Google changed its algorithm to being more user friendly and your website won't help the user in any kind of catalogue.
    You need content on your site that's able to rank and it needs to be shared on social media as well. It needs to be distributed in order for people to see it. Real traffic is the way to go. I miss the good old times as well but it simply won't do anymore...
    So there's no specific time frame either. You'll just have to continue and see what works.
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Yeah, tell me about. None of my sites have ever ranked, despite massive content produced for over 20 years.

    My marketing is in some of the most hotly competitive niches (ie try ranking for mesothelioma even using long tail keywords).

    What I do is find sites that already are at or near the top spots for my targeted key words, then query the site owners for submitting relevant articles and/or short posts.

    Usually site owners are open to quality content for their audiences and allow backlinks. Become a regular contributor, and it's nearly as good as being at the top.
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  • Profile picture of the author wascator
    I miss the good old days too where you could rank number 1 with a brand new domain in just 2 weeks. Today you need a lot of DA 30+ backlinks plus spotless onsite SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author toydistrict
    SEO is hard if you make it hard. Thousands of new keywords, easy to rank, are discovered every day. Opportunities are there - you just have to find them. Many just chase the same fish, while fresh fish are available further out the 'box'.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Marshall
      Originally Posted by toydistrict View Post

      SEO is hard if you make it hard. Thousands of new keywords, easy to rank, are discovered every day. Opportunities are there - you just have to find them. Many just chase the same fish, while fresh fish are available further out the 'box'.
      Toydesk,

      How do you find these new keywords, please?
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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
        Originally Posted by John Marshall View Post

        Toydesk,

        How do you find these new keywords, please?
        By the sound of "further outside the box" I would assume not by using any conventional keyword tool.

        The truth is, there are a million ways to search for a mesothelioma lawyer on Google as an example. The most popular ones with big volumes will always appear in search tools and be the most competitive and difficult to rank for.

        Thinking outside of the box involves finding phrases that may only get searched for a few times a month. To be worthwhile to create content about they have to be commercial as well. Incredibly hard to achieve but this is where the best marketers will shine.

        How do you find them? It is all down to brainstorming how you or other people would search for something and then optimising content for those phrases. Always a punt but when you hit a good one, its gravy time!
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  • Profile picture of the author hyperjerkseo
    Pay attention your on-page
    Create great content
    Build branded foundation links- build them out with content
    Get a guest post
    Get a press release

    these method still work for me
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    • Profile picture of the author ricky03wang
      what exactly is a press release?
      and by guest post, would that mean getting other people's content on your blog or your content on someone else"s?
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      • Profile picture of the author hyperjerkseo
        @ricky03wang

        A simple answer, A press release is a announcement issued to the news media and targeted publications to let them and public about your business. It's great way to get some publicity along with getting some great backlinks.

        Guest post getting your content on someones else website or blog
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  • SEO is still worth but it take long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author George441
    Of course, this will be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thinkfast
    Originally Posted by Tung Dao View Post

    Yes, SEO is harder now. And I think it's going to be harder and harder in the future.
    If you are not updating yourself then life is also very hard to live ..... For example kids eat by help of someone but after few years he try and start to eat by his own hand ...... If he will say that eating is going harder day by day then .. We can pray only ..... because only God can save him.


    Same with SEO if you are not learning new lesson according to time then you can not say yourself Seach Engine Optimizer.


    Originally Posted by wascator View Post

    I miss the good old days too where you could rank number 1 with a brand new domain in just 2 weeks. Today you need a lot of DA 30+ backlinks plus spotless onsite SEO.
    I dont miss like you because i was on good position at old day and currently also doing well. You should learn something according to search engines update and algorithms .... I am sure you will have no time to miss old day because you can earn good now a days also by promoting your or any client website.


    Originally Posted by ricky03wang View Post

    what exactly is a press release?
    and by guest post, would that mean getting other people's content on your blog or your content on someone else"s?
    I dont know why are you asking these question but if you dont know about these basic things then my suggestion is dont try to manage any website in future .... because you will be in loss for sure.



    Originally Posted by Gatwickexpresscars View Post

    SEO is still worth but it take long time.
    I dont think ..... I have many websites example who rank within 3 months hardly. Long time only if you are not serious for your website and doing only timepass online.


    Originally Posted by George441 View Post

    Of course, this will be.
    Great .. Appreciate your suggestion .


    Originally Posted by Miracle Edet View Post

    Thanks for sharing, can you please share the mistake you made, so we newbie can thread carefully
    If you will read carefully then he is asking for why taking long time ...... he is not mentioning that he did huge mistake and so taking long time.


    Actually sometime these types of answer irritate me because there are many SEO companies or freelancer who are doing well and getting feedback from his client as excellent works ....... But i dont know how few people think that SEO is very tough ...... I checked few sites and title start from "SEO Optimization Services, SEO Link Building Services, SMO Services" ... even they dont know meaning of keywords stuffing.


    Sorry if my answer hurt any one but these all are in my mind after read and i said all things in details.


    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author K Edward
    Five years ago, the internet had about 863,105,652 websites, at the moment (2020), we're talking about 1.74B websites

    I couldn't agree more, it harder now than 5 years ago, and it will be much harder in the future.
    Quite frankly, SEO as a stand-alone tool will take ages to offer meaningful results.

    Time to supplement.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thinkfast
      Originally Posted by K Edward View Post

      Five years ago, the internet had about 863,105,652 websites, at the moment (2020), we're talking about 1.74B websites

      I couldn't agree more, it harder now than 5 years ago, and it will be much harder in the future.
      Quite frankly, SEO as a stand-alone tool will take ages to offer meaningful results.

      Time to supplement.
      5 Year ago ...... many websites come on top by adding his keywords in title .... in body contents some thing different ..... But not now. I seen also that in past only directory submission was enough for link building ..... if any one is asking for or suggesting for Article or Press Release then it was a high level SEO .... but today SEO start from contextual backlinks because all one try to manage quality.



      As you letting us know about number of websites and showing a negative point then want to let you know that its a positive point also that now you have many websites and due to competition you can get link popularity and high quality links very easier than past.


      In past while very limited sites but many useless company and sites ...... As i remember in 2012, 2013 after Google update lots of websites and company going shut down due to spam work ...... But now billions of website but all are trying to manage his quality and promoting his website according to his way ..... And they are doing well also.


      All all things are tricks and ideas ..... nothing is going harder ...... If you are managing quality then nothing harder .... otherwise its harder than harder.
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  • Profile picture of the author EvaT
    Google is in favor of Big fat sites like Cnet, Thewirecutter, and others, instead of a small guy- nicely built website, I can see some of this fat sites with millions off affiliate links, and 400 words content, plaster all over the internet, it is really bad. They rank NR 1 on google, and mostly they take the first few pages
    people say google hates sites with affiliate links, but if you are one of these fatsos google is closing its eye on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Originally Posted by EvaT View Post

      Google is in favor of Big fat sites like Cnet, Thewirecutter, and others, instead of a small guy- nicely built website, I can see some of this fat sites with millions off affiliate links, and 400 words content, plaster all over the internet, it is really bad. They rank NR 1 on google, and mostly they take the first few pages
      people say google hates sites with affiliate links, but if you are one of these fatsos google is closing its eye on it.
      The only reason that the "fat cat" sites you mention rank well for various keywords is because, they have the benefits that age, backlinks, trust and authority will give a site.

      Why would Google give top rankings to a brand new site? Its just an algorithm and even though the AI is getting better, it still can only make decisions on ranking based on that algorithm. How would it know that a new site's page is better and more relevant than a "fat cat's" page?

      It takes time to get to that level but it is possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author SalimSheikh
    Yes SEO is little bit harder than before. You can go with Email Marketing.
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  • Try updating the meta titles and meta descriptions of the pages, along with this, work on quality content and backlinks from niche relevant sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxdosh
    I think it depends on the quality of your content and the SEO strategy you implement. I actually created a new blog and did some SEO that actually worked and made over $500 in Commissions in less than 14 days.
    I was actually ranking for products soon to be launched and that were posted on Muncheye. Maybe that is kinda different in your own case
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  • Profile picture of the author Ocean Epic
    Yes, SEO has gotten harder in the last 4 or 5 years. There have been many core algorithm updates by Google that made it harder. The days of keyword stuffing content, h tags, title tags, meta descriptions are long over. I think patience and keeping up with the core algorithm updates will prosper your SEO attempts. Google wants more age and authority now of days and that prevents sites ranking in 1 or 2 months for any real value of keywords. Just take it slow and practice good on-page tactics and be sure to be relevant.

    Relevance, quality backlinks and good solid on-page will go along way in your SEO efforts. Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author prvegas
    Content is king, add a page or post. If looking for a trick at all, re examine your meta tags and just change the title and description a bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Content is king is a trite and misunderstood question.


      If I have 1 page of content that gets seen by 1,000,000 of which 3% buy, I have 30,000 sales.


      If I have 200 3,000-word articles that are seen by 10 people each and 100% buy, I have 2,000 sales.


      Originally Posted by prvegas View Post

      Content is king, add a page or post. If looking for a trick at all, re examine your meta tags and just change the title and description a bit.
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