adamsad

Hi
About the forum posting. Did you post on forum that have related to you niche?
Or you just posting on any forum as long as the forum allow signature?

thanks

StevenK

Forget about the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals. Their legal opinion doesn't matter.

The law firms representing the large corporations will come after you very aggressivly. If you can afford large expensive legal fees, go for it.

I speak from personal experience. Stay away from anything that is a trademark.

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willz605

Steve...

While I understand your position regarding trademark infringement is sensitive because of past experience....the fact is the first thing the larger corporations will do is ask you to take down your website.

badcow

Willz - are you saying it's not such a big deal... and when they bark at you to take down your site, THEN you should take it down to avoid the legal battle? That would be my first inclination - try to earn some money from it while you can, then take it offline when told to...

BUT I certainly don't want any legal battles on my hands - not at this stage in the game (newbie). Perhaps if I was a multi-millionaire I'd fight the battle, if the site was worth it.

But since we're talking micro niche sites... the fight probably isn't worth it.

willz605

folks....why such the negativity.....

I simply answered the question about trademark infringement.....

And no...I'm not looking to swap spit with some high on the hog lawyer from a large corporation....

Give me a break.....

But if you don't believe me that there are tons of trademarks in domain names...type these terms in google and you'll see for yourself.

1. UGG boots
2. Nike
3. Air Jordan

Why some of you here get argumentative is beyond me...

Have a wonderful day!

Tom Goodwin

Sorry, I seemed to have missed this post. For me, it is generally a holistic approach to looking at the top ten sites in Market Samurai.

That being said, I did check through and all of them have at least 3 sites that match the following criteria:

They either have to be:

(a) a page (not domain, but the page that is ranking) of Pr- or 0;

OR

(b) a page (not domain, but actual page) of PR1 and less than 10 backlinks going to that particular page.

Note that the reason for (b) is that sometimes there will be shopping sites like nextag, etc., that the linked to page actually does have a a PR of 1, but is not optimized or backlinked or anything, but just has a little residual PR power from the main domain.

And yes, I love to see nextag, amazon, ebay, etc. I absolutely do not want to see a list of 10 root domains ranking.

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clickbump

Hi Asamsad, I think of all the questions I get about this method, the forum signature deal gets the most attention :-)

The forum does not have to be in any way related to your niche. Since we are merely trying to get the Google bot to crawl (then index) our newly launched sites, the most important criteria is that (1) The forum get's crawled frequently by the G-bot (prefer hourly) and (2) It meets the other criteria laid out in the "sneaky punctuation trick" post.

emigre

This is really inspiring...thanks for sharing.

I'm curious if anyone's tried this with blogger and had success?

tantowdy

my .info about LCD TV hit the 5th place in google. Without backlink, without article marketing.

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HCLee

I agree. I stay away from brand names and trademarks too. You can still do that but you should be prepared to face whatever consequences that may come including the easiest punishment- have you site removed, de-registered.

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Heimir Finnson

Hi clickbump

Awesome thread once again!

I read somewhere earlier in the post that some guy's site where dropping down the SERP's after about 60 days.
Back then, you where not familiar with that problem.

How is it today? Have any of your sites completely dropped after the 60-90 day mark?

Keep up the great work mate! And that goes to all contributors in this thread

-Heimir

EDIT: Are you guys using any automated software/service to help with ranking. Like Linkvana, SENuke or LinkJuicer ?

euhlir

I can help with this one. I had one site that followed xfactor's guide. It had an added word in the domain and fell in ranks even after being brought to the first page by me adding links.

I have another site with tons of competition that does have the exact domain name like clickbump's method, and it just happened to follow most of clickbump's prerequisites anyway. With some links (maybe 50) it has continued to grow in rank and now sits at #2 with over 45k monthly searches.

Needless to say I make money with this site daily.

What to take from this: Even though your site may start falling in rank, if you simply add some high PR backlinks to it, you can bring it back to the top. Of course it will be on a site by site basis, but that's my experience.

If it's good enough to stay on the first page for over 2 months, then adding a few backlinks will make it good enough to be there again.

clickbump

@Heimir > thanks for the kind words. I've had a few sites drop and a few sites take their place. I'd say its a wash.

WareTime

Exactly. Sure you may win a long protracted court battle and suffer thousands in legal fees, but if that niche is that hot, go for it .

ladyfoster

Hello Debbie, just read your post on clickbumps method. I just had a question about your content. How many words are you using and with your main keyword how many other additional keywords are you using for your additional keywords in the post.

Im started out using xfactor's method. But because of my 9-12 hour job per day plus being a mom of 5, Im finding it hard to do all the article marketing required for the xfactor until I can afford to outsource writing.

So I was encouraged by your post and hope that you are continuing to have success. I believe with this method of having to put up only one page of quality content will work best for my time constraints

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Heimir Finnson

Thanks, and you don't add content to them, only keep them at 1 page?

clickbump

Yes, I keep them to 1 page of tightly focused, highly relevant content to my user's target search terms.

maverick4u

Couple of questions for you: I was going to ask if anyone has used this methodology using any other monetization strategy besides adsense. Since product sites do so well what about Amazon? Ebay? CB or a CPA offer? The question is very important to me as my adsense account was just banned by the 800 lb. gorilla.

Also-I just today received an email offer about your Clickbump WP template. Have you tested it on any other monetization mode? Thanks!

schnisz

why did you get banned?

schnisz

why did you get banned?

maverick4u

About a year ago I was trying out a new software that makes video sites. I made a test site on a subdomain and added some adsense blocks to it to try it out. Well I didn't really like the results and moved on to other projects and pretty much forgot about the video site. (It basically scraped videos from Youtube from a keyword you inputted)

Along comes Google and they reviewed the site (human reviewer?) and decided it was against their TOS and banned my account. I guess it didn't provice a "good user experience" etc. I tried appealing but they never replied-seems Google is too busy banning peoples accounts to explain anything.

So has anyone been using this model for CPA or CB etc. with any success?

schnisz

EMD= exact match domain

meaning if your keyword is shinytoyguns you want to get shinytoyguns.com,.org or .net only. These have a huge effect on your ranking high.

John W.G.

Been following along here and built a few sites.

Why the parameters of the 3 PR- or PR0 domains?

Seems like I'm passing up a lot of good keywords that xfactor would say to go for.

Just wondering?

Is it because you do no link building?

I've seen a few xfactor sites appear for keywords that according to your parameters should be passed up.

Thanks,
John

StevenK

I have seen many sites rank very high in Google that did not contain the keyword in the domain name.

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saulyd

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HTH!

Cheers!

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Tom Goodwin

Hi Steve,

The point in this thread is not about whether or not you can rank high in google without having your keyword in your domain name. Obviously you can.

But, the general point is to get the most reward from the least effort. It is *very* rare for one of my new sites to not start on at least page 2 of google (if not page 1) with zero backlinks when I was able to get an exact domain match. In my experience with other sites, I just cannot fathom how that could be done without having your keyword in the domain. Sure you could get a domain without the keyword, but why add extra work when you don't have to. That just doesn't make sense to me.

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Tom Goodwin

We had a big long debate on this in a non xfactor thread.

My point in that thread, and i'll make it again here, is this.

Do whatever you feel you can handle risk-wise.

For me personally, as a lawyer, I have never seen nor heard of a case (other than some sort of defamation example) where the company would just sue you out of the blue. That makes no sense whatesoever. They will send you a letter asking you to either take down your site or transfer it to them. You aren't just going to end up in the Southern District of New York one day without getting notice of their request for you to take down the site. Perhaps the one exception is Disney, because they are just nuts, but they are a different animal.

So, what do you do? You take down the site. It won't cost you thousands of legal dollars. Actually, it won't cost you anything besides the domain name/hosting. For me, since I can put up a site in under 2 hours, I'm not concerned in the least.

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schnisz

Tom- Would you mind discussing how you launch your sites to land on page 2 so quick? I use EMD and the clickbump theme and I usually do end up on page 2, but it takes me several weeks to get there. Indexing is slow too as I am still looking for that "lucky forum" thanks

brian

Tom Goodwin

I don't do the forum indexing method so i'm not looking for a lucky forum ;-)

I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I almost always get indexed within 24 hours of a site being up if I do the following:

(1) add adsense to it (doesn't help with the indexing, but doesn't prevent it)
(2) add sitemap to google webmaster tools;
(3) digg it;
(4) clipmark it; and
(5) submit the site's rss feed to millionrss.com, feedage.com, feedagg.com and feedburner.google.com.

As for how I end up on page 2 quickly, it isn't all that difficult:

(1) Spot-on on-page SEO (2%+ body keyword density, EMD, keyword in title, exact keyword as <h1> tag, keyword included in at least one other <h2> or <h3> tag, 100% of my anchored links include my keyword -- instead of just "contact" or "about", my anchor is "contact -- keyword" and "about - keyword").

(2) easy competition.

No other magic sauce required.

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Black Hat Cat

Which means you are backlinking the site after all. You'd have to be....no backlinks, no getting/staying indexed.

Tom Goodwin

Fair enough. When I say backlinking, I mean BACKLINKING. Digging/Clipmarking/millionrssing the site isn't backlinking by anyone's other than a catholic nun's standards.

I do digging/clipmarking/millionrssing for indexing. Then when I have type I throw 25 profile backlinks at it and about 10 blog comments.

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clickbump

The parameters are not meant to be rigid rules but more like guidelines to help direct your efforts to replicate the success of those who follow it.

The fact that we do very little backlinking is due in part to the low competition, which minimizes (and in some cases, eliminates) the necessity for it.

schnisz

"exact keyword as <h1> tag, keyword included in at least one other <h2> or <h3> tag,"

Scott, your template does this automatically correct?

susb8383

So Tom, you don't worry at all about LSI in your content or outgoing links in your content?

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kimhanna

I'm finally starting to see some success...

I have three sites now situated between #5-8 for their respective keywords and I'm now earning ~$2 a day. I've got another site just waiting to be indexed, so I'm pretty happy about that, and I'm sure if I can push my sites up to spot #3-5, as well as making more sites, I'll bring in some nice pocket money.

badcow

Good on ya mate! I'm about the same as you... I've had more success with Adsense since deploying Clickbump's tactics (and his WP theme!). My top 3 earners are Clickbump style, next 3 are Xfactor style. Now to rinse and repeat!

bobnolan

Whether you guys agree or not, I think you guys should at least do a little backlinking just to be safe. One of my competition's site is currently dropped 2 pages in ranking 3 days ago(who was beating me before), and his site has been up a few more months than mines. He had an org KWD while I had the net KWD.

Of course, maybe I'm wrong and just being paranode.

When in doubt, blame yourself. Otherwise, you'll be wasting everybody elses time.

Michael Bunata

I have been working on the Internet now for the past 6 months as an affiliate. One of the challenges I am running into is finding "SOC", Strength of Competition. I use Market Samurai and I absolutely love it, but I wish it had that one element. Can you share with me how I can use Google to find the SOC or if you have a recommendation of the best software to use for keyword research? There are a lot of pros and cons out there in regards to a good software program.

I really appreciate your help.

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Michael Bunata

Good job with the success. My sites seem to sit between 5-10 and I can't figure out how to get up to #3 position. Any thoughts on how to do something like that?

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badcow

I think you're right bobnolan... backlinking is important. Clickbump does do backlinking, he just doesn't do it with article marketing like Xfactor promotes in his course (which is a very good course and if you haven't purchased it you really should - its great). I do backlinking and did a bunch of article marketing at first but I am using other methods in addition to that now.

My Clickbump style sites that made it to page 1 in Google did it with very minimal backlinking however. Now I backlink to help those sites stay on page one.

Heimir Finnson

Market Samurai has a fine tool called "SEO Competition" to determine the SoC.
However, you can do it manually by looking at the top 10 ranking pages.

Check the on-page optimization on those pages.
Are they using the H1, H2 or H3 tags. How about the title tag? Alt img?
Is it a top level domain or a sub domain?

What's the PR, age, how many backlinks.

Those are all factors that count towards top rankings.

Gale10

Hi Clickbump,

Just wanted to say I followed your advice to the letter and my site went in at number one for my keyword on Google.com.

I am totally in awe!

Thank you so much for writing this thread. Hopefully many people will benefit from it!

Thanks again,

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mdotwhite

This is a great method and I definitely see the potential. I just have one question and a great answer will be apprecieated.

When it comes to keywords is it a smart choice to use the exact product's name as the keyword or should I use the broad name instead.

Example: Should I use "snow blower" or should I use "John Deere Snow Blower"?

What I've found through research is that if I use "John Deere Snow Blower" as my keyword it would be pretty hard to get the #1 spot because I would be competing with the John Deere main website. I think it would be pretty hard to compete.

Is this something I should be concerned with or do I just want to get on the first page of Google?

Any advice would be helpful.

schnisz

Depends on what the rest of the top ten looks like for that keyword,assuming you checked search figures first. If the top ten is weak, get to page 1 and and as close to the top as you can. You dont have to be number one to make money.

badcow

This has been discussed and debated (can't remember if on this thread or another)... bottom line is this: trademark names are not the best choice for legal reasons, so proceed at your own risk - you have been cautioned.

That being said, I have a few Xfactor/Clickbump sites with brand names in them and they make a little Adsense money for me. But I'm prepared to take them down if I get a C&D letter from an attorney.

Bottom line for you is: do the KW research... if the search volume is there for the non-brand name, then choose it... if the search volume is there for the brand name, then proceed with caution (if at all)... BUT YOU MUST CHECK YOUR COMPETITION! Page one is all that really matters, so check their numbers. Use SEO4Firefox or SEOquake to help with this process.

carlos123

Tom...I've heard such all over the place but I am not quite so sure that the allinurl and allintitle are...well...very good to use at all.

Why?

We want to gauge our competition right? How tough it will be to beat...right?

If I do a search on Google using allinurl and allintitle...9 times out of 10 such a search will only return a fraction of the site pages that show up on Google when a regular searchers searches for a phrase without quotes of the fancy modifiers at all.

So while an allinurl search might indeed find me one's that use...well...all the keywords in the url it will NOT show me the 5-6 in the top ten that don't!

In high competition phrase most all sites will use all keywords in the url but in low competition relatively few will.

So my fancy, schmansie technique of using modifiers like allinurl will do me little good.

The real competition is the top ten that show up in regular search at Google. If only 3-4 of those competitors show up through a search using the modifiers...what good is that?

It's certainly not a good way to gauge the strength of the competition that actually shows up in the top ten spots.

Is this another one of those supposed wondrous and instructive SEO tid bits that holds little water in real world SEO?

Carlos

carlos123

Just wanted to pipe in with more encouragement for you.

While I have not yet made any money at Adsense LOL I have succeeded in getting a number of one page sites I have built ranking reasonably well all by themselves. I also have not put up a single Ezine article to achieve that nice ranking from Google.

I know it may not seem like much but one single pager I built got to pos 5. Another one to position 26 and yet one more to position 53. Bear in mind that this is ahead of thousands of competing pages that mention the exact phrases I have been targetting and out of of millions of site pages that have the phrase words in them somewhere.

It still boggles my mind I can beat out all those other sites. There are so very many that have a multitude of backlinks more than me, better copy, page titles, you name it.

But my 3 "tricks" have worked out very well for me so far. Once a one pagers gets ranked initially at 100 or better in the SERP's it is only then that I focus more energy on it by putting up additional thematically related site pages, writing articles, or whatever.

Carlos

kimhanna

It's been a good week!

I've hit $5.45 so far today, and I still have a few hours left before it clicks over

warrice7

Nice post. Thanks.

badcow

Good on ya mate!