Intrepreneur

Oh yes I did.

All 5 were EMD.

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Marhelper

Hey, I sent you a PM. Perhaps you are in the middle of the Google dance. I am curious what your overall competition was for the 5 sites. This method does work BUT I think a long term hold in the SERPS depends on adding content consistently and ongoing backlinking to high PR sites.

rkup58

I pretty much have followed everything from xfactor and now will start implementing clickbumps methods as well. All I can say to you is that something was possibly overlooked in your research possibly or something somewhere along the line.

I have 10 sites over the last month, and one is responsible for my small yet exciting income of about $2/day since it began earning. Just keep refining your research skills because there are always areas you may be overlooking that could be the "killer".

For example, for over 1.5 years I struggled ranking sites but as soon as I read one blog post on the Market Samurai blog (MS is my keyword tool of choice) my ranking ability has improved dramatically because I can pick out much better keywords. All it took was reading just a few paragraphs and that put me into another playing field.

Now as I see my older sites climbing rankings, getting traffic little by little. I know that this works and you're not unlucky. There is just something, something probably small that is keeping you from earning - you just have to find it and correct it.

"Success" could be right around the corner for you.

Marhelper

Well said but why do so many use these great methods for the pittance that Adsense so often pays out when you could slap up a good CPA offer with a nice EPC?

Radix

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to the dude or dudette copying all the x-factor and clickbump sites that you can find, you are about to be outed.

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hamburglar

Hey,

I read your post and it reminded me of my beginnings. I am at $10/day and have tweaked the program to my own liking and design. In my first month I launched 10 sites of which only 5 were top 10 and only earned around $1/day. Now imagine that. Think about it.... The articles, the content, the writing etc.. blah blah.

Now here is some perspective. You want the answers now. i.e. Will this site earn $$ or not. No matter how many ways you dissect it or analyze, you will ONLY LEARN BY DOING IT. Xfactor has great ideas, Click has even more AMAZING ideas but they are worth nothing if you just keep analyzing.

My own mix is combination of xfactor (now i do not use MNF), clickbump and my own hamburg style ranking. Here are my results.

25 sites of which ONLY 3 MAKE ME MONEY. It took me 25 sites to learn, optimize and understand what works. 25 SITES. 25 sites X 10 articles for each. 25 sites X 5 sub pages. = only $10/day. Imagine that!

Keep jumping off the deep end and never stop moving forward.

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Rhythms

You know something? There's a good chance that it isn't happening like you think. I wasted a domain, after I researched and researched, because when I was about to go online, I found an Xfactor site, exactly the same as I was about to do...... so I scrapped it.

Several sites later, I grabbed a .net domain 'cause the .com one was taken. When I was looking at the site after it was online, I saw the .com one (a green and black Xfactor one) that was about 50 places behind me..... that person had the .com before I started.

I think, we are all using the same programs to find keywords - it's inevitable that some of us are going to grab the same ones. That's why I am trying to make my sites look different. I really like niche horde but I think it has been the culprit - giving us the same keyword - in the past.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, don't feel like you are being copied every time you see a site similar to yours......

BTW, I've got around 22 XF sites online with about another 20 something in various stages to come..... nearly all my sites go to first page within a week then they start drifting backwards.... they're all less than a month old, so there's plenty of time to see what happens yet.

Something I do know though. In two years before Xfactor, I made about $70 from adsense. Up to $180 now and speeding up.

Rob Molloy

Radix

The domain was registered the same day I posted the link in my sig file here. The .org was available when I bought the .com. They have rewritten some of my copy, but it is copied. Shame on me for posting the link here. It's such a ridiculous niche in the first place neither of us will ever turn much from it. It's really the principle of the matter because they've put both of our sites in jeopardy as they are virtually identical. I don't invade other folk's niches if I see an x-factor template because I don't want either of us in jeopardy of losing an adsense account needlessly.

Just a common courtesy.

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terryd

How would this risk losing your adsense account?

In doing keyword research I'm forever coming across those green and black sites that all of xfactors fans use. I don't use that template and all my sites look different because I use wordpress.

If I want to I'll still go for that niche (although at this stage I haven't) but I think there are plenty other niches to go for so usually I will just move on.

clickbump

Hi jbgal. You got me, that post was 64 days ago today (sept 21). So yea, I've had a few sites fall from page 1 to out of index early on. I believe I had just picked up John's ebook not to much earlier. The funny thing is, all three of those sites are now top earners for me, so they bounced right back.

One of them in fact, fell off due to a really stupid mistake I made that perhaps you guys can avoid. Never set up an htaccess redirect from your index page to another page just to get relevant adsense ads. This got this site completely delisted until I removed the redirect. Came back pretty strong though and is my #2 earning site now.

Marhelper

Why do you think so many are reporting their sites falling off after 1 week, 1 month, etc. ? Is the remedy to add backlinks or more content in your opinion?

clickbump

Hi NuWav, I find that product related niches do best for me.

I believe that people who are searching for products tend to be in more in a buying mode, credit-card-in-hand type mentality, whereas people searching for solutions, info or answers to problems tend to be more in "browse" mode. That's just my experience though (and over a very brief time period, so ymmv)

I'm putting the finishing touches on converting the templating system from Xfactor/Adsense orientation over to Gsniper/Affiliate orientation so that will be rolling very soon and I can compare & contrast the two monetization techniques more fully (particularly with respect to clickbank type info products) with real world data behind the analysis.

clickbump

Hi MH, I really can't say I've seen that much of this over at the Xfactor forums where everyone is pretty much fully engaged in this. There have been some, but by and large, its balanced by those who are using the techniques and pretty satisfied with the results they are seeing vs what they were doing before, which in almost all cases, was not working.

If someone's site is ranked very highly, and then drops, you are quite likely to hear about that than not. Naturally, they won't some help to understand why, vs the guy/gal who has a site ranked highly and it stays highly ranked. That person is probably spending time making more sites, rather than posting about his problems here. So I believe you have to consider that when you are drawing conclusions based on posts.

I think that the rankings rollercoaster is actually the natural effects we are used to seeing with Google, but perhaps some of us have hit on a means to minimize that as much as it can be done with good on-page seo, proper niche selection and following the fundamentals....

I do believe that niche selection plays a big part in how steadily a given site will settle once set in the index. For example, there are some niches where you are just going to be sandboxed if you are new. I don't believe many of those exist in our 3 site PR- PR-0 world however, so that helps insulate us as much as possible from those niches...

stoaf88

While I agree with this statement, I have found that my sites drop to page 2 or 3 after a few weeks even with using the 3 pro/- method. We will see if they come back as I am using blog commenting as backlinking for those sites. I usually build 50 links per site per day.

I get decent traffic just from the backlinking anyway which lets me earn some money from it and hopefully will help my rankings in the long run. I can build 50 links in around 10 minutes so its no big deal.

Other than that I am still researching for the next great niche and building sites every week. I am also using EPN and soon I am going to test CPA offers with this method. I have done well with CPA in the past so we will see if I can successfully implement it with this method.

I really want to thank you Clickbump for telling me your method for niche selection for TOTALLY FEEE! If you need anything from me just ask.

P.S. Any luck getting in EPN Clickbump?

Intrepreneur

Nothing is guaranteed. See this post and the posts above it. It's a game of luck like gambling. That's why I said does anyone notice a pattern in the post I made on here yesterday.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post1429600

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Intrepreneur

That's how I meant to come across. I meant this type of follow along and profit with me is pure gamble like without proper research and understanding. Meaning it's all about being unique and understanding when not to follow the crowd. Thus only follow the crowd when you know you can keep up and/or afford to lose out if it doesn't work.

However I still stand by this whole method being gamble like! Because of how Google really works those results in comparison to how most believe they work / as protrayed in the manual.

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bbncu

How are you able to do 50 backlinks in 10 mins.? Can you share with the group or just PM me. Backlinking takes a lot of time for me and I dont have money to outsource it. Thanks.

stoaf88

Scrapebox

its an automatic blog commenter, kind of like xrumor for blog commenting only a lot cheaper

You kind of need to know what you are doing to use the app.

Richard-Malcolm

Here's my thing,

I can barely get passed the research phase.

It was hard enough to find a keyword that when looking on the front page of Google, had the 3 pagerank- or 0's. But, then I saw that those had to have less than 100 Y! links too!!!??? I'm finding this to be impossible. Like the one I just found had the 3 pagerank 0's, but for Y! links they had hundreds of thousands!

I considered myself pretty good at this research thing when I got MNF. But then as I keep adding the necessary credentials to the process, I can't find anything! And I search my butt off. Digging deep into product niches, etc... Theres either too much pagerank, or when I've hit that criteria, the Y! links are too much.

I've been doing research all day with GKET and MNF and I almost get there, then I'm stopped by something (in this case the Y! link thing).

I know, I know. The relentless persistence thing. But my God, I've been searchng for hours and keep getting stuck when it hits the Y! links credential.

What do you guys think? Am I missing something here?

Richard

Marhelper

I am pretty sure your problem is that you are looking for the Y! Links for the site RATHER than the Y! links for the page, try it again and you will probably have better luck.

Richard-Malcolm

Thanks bud!

I was hoping it was something I was doing wrong

I will try that and see how I do.

Thanks again,

Richard

Richard-Malcolm

I'm using the SEO4Firefox and see the Y! links under them. Thats for the site, not the page Google is displaying?

Richard

Richard-Malcolm

How do I check Y! links for the page?

Richard-Malcolm

Nevermind, I see the pagelinks.

Thanks,

Richard

MarkTX

There should be two Y! links with SEO for Firefox.

Y! Links: links to the site

Y! Page Links: links to that actual page. THIS is the one you're researching.

You can customize the data SEO for Firefox displays. You can turn off most of the other categories for faster loading -- and less confusion.

Select Tools > Seo for Firefox > options...

Then select from the drop down menus what you want displayed.

I believe Clickbank only uses: PR, Age and Y! Links.

Richard-Malcolm

Thanks man.

I'll adjust things.

Richard

MarkTX

Actually, it's much less confusing if you "hide" things. I just went through my settings and reduced the choices down to just 4 or 5.

You can keep all, some, or a few. It's your choice. You can also set it to how fast you want the data to display.

For PR and Y! Page Links, I set them to automatic and 0 second delay. That's the primary criteria you're judging.

Good luck!

geosandler

I envy, I was very happy because last week I achieved making U$50 daily with all my sites in top 10. And this week most of my sites moved to 2 and 3 page for their principal keywords, and my income went from U$50 to U$1 daily. Have you experienced this kind of moves with your sites?

stoaf88

Dude just get a lot of backlinks, like forum posting or blog commenting, directory submission.

I get lots of traffic from blog commenting and these backlinks should help me in the serps as well.

You can outscource this work for very cheap.

clickbump

Hi All, thanks for keeping it lively :-)

Just for clarification on how to use the SEO4FF plug-in when assessing competition. We are not concerned with Y! Links, only with Y! Page Links and this is the least stringent of all the qualifiers.

If you can meet all other criteria and the only thing stopping you is Y! page links, depending on the number and quality of the backlinks, I'd probably say go for it if you feel you can unseat the incumbants (particularly if they themselves are not EMDs).

willz605

Scott...

If I purchase your wordpress template do I also get the google sniper/affiliate template or are they separate?

Richard-Malcolm

I would like to tell everyone this,

I have bought the template from Clickbump. He has been OUTSTANDING with his customer service. He has also helped me with other questions and such. I have emailed him several times with questions and/or issues and his reply(s) came almost instantly.

He was/is an absolute pleasure to do business with.

I'm not affiliated with him in anyway, just a happy customer.

Take it for what it's worth.

Richard

clickbump

@willz605 and @dknyrob (pm sent)

To anyone else who might have questions about the tools I use to implement this technique...

I appreciate your kind words and comments, I really do! ...but to keep the thread on track just hit me an email (via the links in my sig below) and I'll be glad to take those questions offline.

stoaf88

Hey click quick question

Do you really count the news results and shopping results as pr0/- domains?

Have you ever unseated one of these results?

I have been not counting them as my 3 pr0/-

Should I?

Tom Goodwin

Question: If you don't like to see general shopping sites on page 1, then what do you like to see? If there aren't shopping sites showing up, then the sites that do show up will be a lot more keyword focused.

I salivate whenever I see multiple sites like shopping.com, overstock, ebay and yahoo on the first page of google. If I can get an EMD and the CPC is right, i will pick up this domain 100% of the time.

If I am going for Red Tonka Toys:

--Having mostly sites devoted to Red Tonka Toys --> Worst Case Scenario
--Having mostly sites devoted to Tonka Toys --> Not Good
-- Having mostly sites devoted to selling everything, with PR0/- pages ranking for these keywords --> GREAT Scenario


In most cases I have found that it is not that hard to beat the shopping sites that are in the middle to bottom of page 1 in google. As for the #1 spot, I have found that sometimes a site like shopping.com can just stick in that spot and it might take a heck of a load to get it off. In any event, i'll take the #2 spot with an EMD behind that every time.

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stoaf88

I'm not talking about shopping sites like yahoo or bizrate.

I'm talking about when it says google shopping results

Or google news for this item, or google images for this item

These are always pr- but they are google's own sites/results

Will they let me jump their own results?

mojo13

That is a good question..

I have wondered the same as there seems to be more and more of these results as the 1st listing.

clickbump

We don't count these results as one of the incumbant targets, since we cannot unseat these listings. They are reserved for the shopping sites.

IIUYC, these are the sites that appear down around position #5 under the title: "Shopping results for...(insert kwp here)"

stoaf88

So just so I'm clear

These DO NOT count toward our 3 pr0/- results right?

susb8383

Anyone have any tips on other ways to get more relevant adsense ads?

TIA, Susie

Marhelper

Make sure the keywords are where they are supposed to be, IE: In text, title, tags, etc...

willz605

ok....

Does anyone experience a rather significant difference in local/global count using nichebot, mnf or the like when compared to using free google keyword tool.

clickbump

Correct. These spots are reserved for shopping sites, so you can't replace them. We are only looking for sites we can replace.

bgdoglvr

Hi Clickbump--

When you said, at the beginning, "I also check the number and specificity of the right sidebar ads for the search in the engine," what are you checking for in the # and specificity?

And, "Finally, I will triple check this in Spyfu in order to get a good sample of the data and make sure there are no anomolies."
What, exactly, am I looking for in Spyfu?

Sorry--I'm new at this.

And thanks.

Slartibartfast

Hi Scott!

Thanks for this very informative post!

Just a question: How come nobody ever mentions subdomains?

Can't we just use the KWPs in subdomains belonging to one domain?
Or wouldn't that work at all here?
It would save us a lot of time, $ and domainsearch hassles

Cheers

Bishop81

What do you think of this?
http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...MexQ4exBztSSMZ

I'm tired of my signature... Deleted.

bgdoglvr

Oh--and why local searches instead of global? If the sites are meant to hopefully last, wouldn't you want the average searches over time rather than the searches for that particular month, or do I understand local searches wrong?

gordi555

Because you more likely to get the local ranking. I've seen this doing the system.

skipper-chip

Hi there,

I've been trying to mix things up a little with this and XFactors excellent post, I used to use MNF but find it absolutely crap lately so I've given up on it all together. I just wanted to check I've got this right....

Ive been finding good keyword phrases with nice amounts of searches for exact match in GKWT....But am I correct in saying you do look for the sites with low pr by typing the KWP into Google without the Quotes....why is this? As opposed to the same thing with quotes?

Also the searches I have been performing have been showing many sites with PR1 but hardly any links in yahoo at all or KWP in Domain name. Would you persue these?

I have to say, it's quite suprising how popular these methods are becoming. I search for many niches which are quite obscure and I've been seeing sites like Johns popping up all over the place. I just skip them and move onto the next keyword as there are plenty niches for everyone to dominate...and I'm greedy, I don't want to share!

So if someone can clarify for me, I'm following the main 4-5 things youve outlined here, is this all you do?

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susb8383

Hi,

I just thought I'd post what I do to put up these sites quickly so that I hit the ground running.

I'm using 1 & 1 for my domain registrar because it is the cheapest and they have free privacy. But the downside is that they are very, very, VERY slow.

It sometimes takes a full 24 hours after I buy the domain before I can actually set the DNS. And then it sometimes takes another 24 hours until it resolves to my host. (I actually had one of my sites revert BACK to the parked page yesterday for no reason.)

So I want to have my WP sites complete when they start showing on my host. I don't want to have to wait until the DNS change resolves so I can log into my WP admin.

So here's what I do:

I set up a template site on my PC (I update some of the files if the clickbump template or a plugin version changes)

1. I start with a site that is all set up with everything using the same version of WP, but adsense is turned off.
2. Using FTP, I copy the following to my PC:
.htaccess
wp-content/themes/clickbump_wp
wp-content/plugins
wp-content/smart-update-pinger.log (I'm using this plugin)
cgi-bin/FormMail.cgi (I'm using this for my comments)
3. Using Cpanel/PhpAdmin I export my wordpress database. I use the settings SQL and Drop Tables. I save this file to my PC and name it with the wordpress version so I don't forget.

Then for each new Wordpress site:
1. Install WP and make sure it is the same version as your template site was.
2. Edit the FormMail.cgi on your PC to have your new domain info.
3. Using FTP, copy all the files mentioned above. Make sure you set your FormMail.cgi properties to 755.
4. Using Cpanel/PHPAdmin for your new WP database, import from the saved file.
5. Using PHPAdmin, edit wp_options. For anything you see that has your old domain, change it to your new domain (is usually on the first 2 pages of fields). Also change your blog title and description.
6. Using PHPAdmin, edit wp_posts. Change all records that have a post_status of publish. These are both your posts and pages. Change text and any field that has the url of your old site to be your new site. (The things with a status of inherit I think are revision items, so I ignore these. I haven't had any problems leaving these as my old site).
7. Download new images and put them in the upload folder

Keep in mind that the admin username and password will be the ones from your old site.

Using this method, I can put up a site quicker than the time it takes me to write the home page content. And then the site is completely ready when the DNS change resolves. Note though that I'm not sure where the all-in-one-seo data is kept, so I do need to change these manually once the DNS resolves.

Once I can look at the site and double-check that everything has been changed, including the meta stuff, I add the adsense ads.

Hope this was helpful.

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