clickbump

Hi Debbie, awesome work! Congratulations on your success. Now just keep on keeping on and look for your next niche so you can repeat the results over and over again.

clickbump

I've had a site at #4 for some time now that's earned me quite a handsome chunk of change :-) So depending on your niche selection, you might be pleasantly surprised at #5

Craig McPherson

Scotty,

My first site, which was built 3 weeks ago, has been between #4 and #1 for 4 days now.
Figures for the last 4 days are:

$4.78
$5.15
$4.95
$6.34

Ctr is massive and averaging 48 cents a click

Thanks to you and John for providing not only the how to but the why as well.

Cheers mate

Craig

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medway

Glad I read this thread as I've just checked all my wordpress templates and see they none of them were using h1 tags.

Looks like I'll be putting the time into optimizing my own from now on.

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freezzo

thats awesome. I may have picked a poor one, I haven't been seeing any traffic yet, even though it was getting 2400 local monthly.

My Technology Blog
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badcow

Frustrated newbie with 12 sites in 6 weeks needs a little guidance, encouragement and wisdom. Can you help me out? What does it take for my sites to get to page one? SEO? Backlinks? Luck?

I'm doing this in the evenings and weekends after my 40+ hours/week day job and I want to build at least 2 sites per week. But what is the point if I can't get highly ranked and earn that important traffic? Am I missing out on some all important on-page SEO tactics or on-page LSI words to get Google love?

I do exact KWP domains (.com, .org or .net). I use Clickbump's Wordpress theme and All-In-One-SEO, plus clean-contact and easy privacy policy.

I'm struggling with ranking on page 1 for Google traffic. My question is do I need to spend time building backlinks like Xfactor recommends (which I've done and have seen marginal income - even after 6 weeks)... or do I just ignore them and keep on building more sites? At some point do I need to go back and build up my existing sites for backlinks.. or just keep on moving forward? How in the heck does Clickbump do it without writing articles and building backlinks?

I've built 12 sites starting on 10/26/08 - 6 sites are Clickbump style sites, 3 are Xfactor style sites and 3 are Clickbump style Amazon affiliate sites (no Adsense). I've earned a total of $13.25 in that time from Adsense and $0.52 from Amazon (rolling in the money!).

The first 3 sites were Xfactor style sites with several secondary pages and KWP's. I did extensive article marketing for backlinks on these three sites - many articles for each KWP. I have earned $7.28 from those three sites so far in 6 weeks. This is dismal. My highest ranking page is at #20; lowest is beyond #200.

My Clickbump sites (6) have earned me $5.82. in three weeks time. My highest ranking pages are at #11 (2 pages), another is at #15 (my newest page - it started at #7 and kept dropping!), #23 and #122 (my oldest site).

I want to see better results! What must I do - build backlinks or build more sites? Thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction.

Tom Goodwin

Unfortunately, it really is a case-by-case basis. Only you knows what sort of competition you are up against. Even then, sometimes sites just "stick" high in google with zero or only a couple backlinks. I've had a few sites like that that are on the middle of page 1 of google with 3 or less backlinks showing up in yahoo site explorer. Sometimes it takes me a 100 backlinks to get up there.

As for your newest site starting at 7 and then sliding to 15, then is basically standard for all of the vast majority of sites. Google will often put "fresh" content higher than it should otherwise be awhile.

If it was me, I would focus on getting your page 2 sites to page 1. You won't have any visibility until you get onto page 1.

If you wanted me to, i would be happy to give you a quick competition review for the keywords by private PM.

Note that this is "thmgoodw" from clickbump/scott's review thread, but wanted to change my username to my actual name

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Tom Goodwin

You know, I have several sites at #4 or #5 and they all get significant traffic (more than I would otherwise guess based upon Google adwords info and my site's ranking).

I really think that if you have a site for red tonka toys at www.redtonkatoys.com, and you have compelling titles and meta descriptions (unlike the stuff from amazon, overstock, etc.), you have a significant advantage in getting clicks.

If you were searching for red tonka toys, wouldn't you just want to click on a site called www.redtonkatoys.com?

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Tom Goodwin

Also make sure that your widget titles (e.g., blogroll, recent posts, etc.) don't have <h2> tags, which is standard for the basic wordpress template.

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Tom Goodwin

Re: EZA, just make sure that you don't submit the post/article to EZA with a link to the same word for word post on your page. EZA will almost put your article into is "problem" basket and won't approve, for the stated reason of something like "the site linked to does not contain enough original and informative content".

Also, you don't need to have those waiting periods. I definitely agree to post original content to your own site first, but after than, just send it to the article directories (including EZA). There is no need to wait.

You can have duplicate content on EZA so long as it is your article.

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badcow

Tom - I'm on Xfactor's forum also as "badcow". Thanks for a bit of encouragement... what I'm hearing you tell me is "do the back link building but focus only on the sites with potential to be on page one". I will do this now and see if I can get good results. Do you recommend Angela's or Paul's backlinks or just stick with EzineArticles (either way its about the same amount of work... so I'm thinking perhaps just do EZA).

Tom Goodwin

Each person has to develop their backlinking identity

Personally, I hate to write , so basically never write articles.

For my sites, the vast (vast!) majority of my links come from profile backlinks and do-follow blog comments, and the sites always rank well. II use a semi-automated tool to help me put up profile backlinks (by TrafficMystic, in the WSO section). Using his software, for some of my "groupings", I can put links on 50 sites in less than 75-90 minutes. I typically put up 3 backlinks per site, so that is 150 links in 1 1/2 hours.

Much better than I could ever do with articles.

Alternatively, if you have roboform you can use that to help automate much of the process (not recommending it here at WF, but if you really searched for it in google you could figure out how to get the pro version for free).
As for angela/paul's stuff, they are certainly good but not ideal anymore due to the fact that 1000s of people all get the links at the same time. I still subscribe to the packets but haven't actually opened them up in about 4 months I subscribe to Terry Kyle's philosophy and used his backlinks as a starting point and go ahead and find my own backlinks now.

I keep track of which links don't have crazy moderators and which show up easily in the backlink checkers (because some are hard to crawl). Now, I have a list of 200 sites which are my "go to" sites and always start with that list for any site of mine.

I always do a lot of competition spying to find do-follow blogs. That being said, i'm trying now to finally incorporate a few article links here and there for variety.

I have recently outsourced some writing to a few different people (over a wealthy affiliate university which i'm a member of). I hired 5 different people write articles for me, and have received 3 of the 10-packs back already.

The first one was simply awesome. He charged me $40 for the 10 articles (i just told him to write about anything), and all 10 were approved by EZA on the 1st try with zero changes by me. He writes at something like 120 wpm and cranked out all 10 articles in half of a day. LOL. I haven't had a chance to review the other articles yet as i've been busy with other stuff.

if you want to learn about my theory on backlinks, just click on my profile and scroll through my posts. Of my 400 posts, probably 300 deal with backlinks.

If you have any specific questions just let me know.

P.S. back to your main point, yea, I would definitely focus on the sites performing well. Some sites just don't want to perform well. Unless there is a huge pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, I would just scrub that site off of my list, and focus on the ones that have performed well without much help.

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MarkTX

badcow: I sincerely feel your pain.

Since Sept, I've made a whole slew of sites (19) following the X-Factor formula. There has been some 'successes' but hardly anything anyone but me would get excited over.

I kept asking - and kept hearing - "it takes time". And I do believe that it does. But more importantly, I went back and did some research on my initial 19 and it opened my eyes.

Even though the numbers in MNF looked good (decent search count, Green SOC with lower numbers), my sites were (and are) not ranking all that well.

But when I evaluated them on the actual competition, that's where I found out that MNF led me down the wrong path.

Now I'm paying strict attention to what's on the Page 1 for the keyword. I won't say that I've got it all figured out because some of those shopping sites still throw me for a loop. But now I pass up kws even though MNF says they are good.

And here's the interesting part: I'm finding keywords that are SOC yellow and even RED that when viewed from the competition's perspective, are very attainable!

My newer, more researched keywords are coming out of the gate ranking much higher. And more importantly, earning money much, much sooner.

So if you want some advice or encouragement from someone who knows exactly where you're coming from, I would suggest leaving your sites alone - and build new ones.

Of course you want to incorporate all the things that you are doing but be MILITANT with your keyword selection. Thoroughly evaluate what's already on page 1. Run your keyword phrase through Traffic Travis to see what it says about the competition. Then go ahead with buying a domain and launching a site. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!

Tom Goodwin

Very nicely said

I think that's the downfall of anything that says green light, red light, etc., and you rely on that 100%. As some on here are fond of saying, you really just have to beat out the sites on the 1st page of google, not all of the search results.

If you focus on the actual sites ranking on the 1st page and figure out if you can beat those sites (despite what various search numbers tell you), it goes a long way.

As for shopping sites, sometimes I find them very easy to beat, sometimes it is much harder. That being said, if I can get a site to #3, i'm not going to absolutely kill myself to get the site past a couple of shopping sites to #1 unless I think the payday will be worth it (and usually it isn't).

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badcow

OK thanks for a bit of encouragement Tom and MarkTX. I will get back at it now... I don't like to lurk on Forums too much because i need to be making money more than anything right now... but sometimes you need to "sharpen the saw" and there's nothing like iron to sharpen iron... so i hit the forums and let 'er rip. thanks. back to work for me now.

...also about the MNF tool and Traffic Travic... I've found the same to be true. When I started my first Xfactor sites I relied on MNF and also ran the phrases KWP through TT, but both gave me thumbs up... later when I did the old-fashioned research using Google and SEO4Firefox... I saw that things weren't exactly as they seemed. The sites I've built that made it to page one were built AFTER I learned about that... but they've since dropped to page 2.

I'm going to build some backlinks for those and get back to researching more niches. Thanks guys!

Tom Goodwin

Good luck badcow.

You know, I forget sometimes how useful this forum is and the high-level of general knowledge around here.

I was just doing a google search involving adsense CTR, and came upon this insane digital point thread.

Pretty much every other person is telling the OP that he will get banned if his CTR is >2% I don't see how anyone can be successful with people spouting out stuff like that, passing it off as time-honored truth.

If DP is normally that bad I don't know how people can stand that place.

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mrtrance

CB,

How fast do your sites get indexed in Google? Do they vary from like a few hours to like days? Or do you have system down where every site you throw up gets indexed in the same manner (as in time) every time?

I put up a new site today in the afternoon...exact domain keyword (.net) with just one post plus the privacy, contact, about, sitemap pages. I submitted the RSS feed to Feedagg, submitted to digg, propeller, and reddit. I also ran the site in Bookmarking Demon which bookmarked the site in mixx, folkd, spotback, and few others.

It's been like 9 hours now and still have not been indexed. People seem to claim that if you submit to digg and propeller you should get indexed in a few hours? From your experience is that true?

Do you do anything else to get your sites indexed faster? Typically how fast do your sites get indexed or do did they vary all the time?

Also do you know if it makes a difference in how fast we get indexed or ultimately rank if our domain name is setup like "http://keyword[dot]com" instead of "http://www.keyword[dot]com"?


Thanks.

warrior123

It's only been 9hrs??

Relax mrtrance, you've done everything correctly. I've seen new sites take a few days and some just a few hours

clickbump

Hi mrtrance, I use a technique called the "sneaky punctuation trick" (< click to read about it) It's not foolproof, but if you can find a forum that meets the criteria, its the closest thing to instant indexing I've found...

schnisz

I've got a site that just wont index. I've bookmarked and dropped a couple of forum links and nothing. Its been like a week. Scott I know you cant divulge your secret forum, but could you point me toward where I could find one? I've been looking on big boards for now. thanks

brian

warrior123

You can add the site to your signature in this forum like you did with the candle making tips but instead of the anchor text being "candle making tips" -- just use a period (.)

schnisz

thanks 123. I did that over in DP cause I saw some of their posts getting indexed within a day. I'm a little reluctant to do it here especially in this thread cause I dont want my sites revealed.

SladeK

I am noticing that link units are giving more relevance than ad units. Any idea why this would be so?

Tom Goodwin

Sorry to here that. Care to divulge which bookmarking sites?

My wordpress (which is all I use) sites get indexed quickly by just doing the following:

(1) submit sitemap to google webmaster tools
(2) submit to jumptags;
(3) submit to digg;
(4) submit to clipmarks; and
(5) submit my rss feed to millionrss.com (my feeds tend to get picked up fastest with this aggregator).

Typically the jumptags/digg/clipmark will show up within 30 minutes in Google. Not my site, but my bookmark pointing to my site (which I always view as a good thing).

Has your bookmark been indexed? (typically just searching for www.yourdomain.com will pick up the bookmarks).

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schnisz

HI Tom, thanks. I use onlywire which does jumptags. I do digg manually. I am a little unfamiliar with rss. Where do you get that from wordpress? I did that query and #1 and #2 are my digg and jumptag. weird.

Tom Goodwin

I would also recommend doing clipmark. I never used it before someone recommended it (richjerksnet I think) here and so far so good with it.


All wordpress sites come with RSS installed. Most templates (even free ones you find on the web) other than the very basic built into the standard wordpress load have the feed set up as:

http://www.mydomain.com/feed/


Alternatively, if you have firefox (might work in IE too, but I don't use that ever), if you are on any webpage/site on the internet that has an RSS feed, in the URL field at the top of your browser there will be a standard RSS icon in the right hand side of that field. The standard RSS icon is orange with 3 radio signal type curved lines in it. If you click on the RSS icon, it will send you to the RSS feed.

Here is an example of what an RSS feed looks like (from ezine articles):

Finance Articles from EzineArticles.com

Then there are "RSS Aggregators" which basically store RSS feeds. RSS feeds are automatically updated when you post new content, so for your site you only have to submit it to a certain aggregator once.

The top RSS aggregators, IMHO, are:

millionrss.com
feedage.com
feedagg.com
feedburner.google.com
badrss.com (when its up and running, been done for me this week).

You can submit them to these aggregators by hand, or there is software that can submit to many of them for you.

That's odd that Google has indexed your digg/jumptags but still after a week is a no go on your main site. If it was me, I would go ahead and start building backlinks to your site (if you haven't already) outside of the bookmarks that you have already done. That generally helps as well and you don't have to wait for a site to get indexed before building backlinks.

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mrtrance

Does submitting to Google webmaster tools makes the difference between getting indexed right away or a few hours compared to waiting like a week? I did all those steps you mentioned above (except the webmaster submission) plus I did propeller, reddit, Feedagg, 1 article to Ezinearticles (indexed in G already), Bookmarking Demon plus doing clickbump's punctuation method as well.

It's been like 36 hours now and my site is still not indexed. I'm just curious if that sitemap submission to webmaster makes the difference. Any ideas?

Also when you are doing the above steps how fast does your sites get indexed? Within 12 hours, 1 day, etc.? Is it the same time frame every time with every site you do with the 5 steps? Or do they vary from site to site?

Also when you initially setup WP on your site do you go in the privacy settings and make your site to be visible to search engines (default with the new WP version is "not visible") when you don't have any content at all? With this site I had made it visible to search engines for a few days with no content? Does that have anything to do with the delay in indexing? Should we make our site not visible to search engines until we have content up or it does not make a difference?

oscarkool

Badcow, you can't just say that you're struggling without actually showing us the keywords you're targeting. I'm assuming you're targeting a 2-3 phrase keyword. This method only works with keywords that have less than 15k competing pages. You won't hit the 1st page with 0 backlinks with any keyword thats got at least 50k+ pages. For those that want to call bs on me, please prove me wrong because I've been doing this for awhile and would love an easier way.

Bishop81

Wordpress is awesome for RSS Feeds. All you have to do is add /feed to the end of any url on your site and you turn it into a feed. Create a category feed, a post feed, a comment feed, even a tag feed. You can literally get hundreds of feeds from just one wordpress site.

I'm tired of my signature... Deleted.

Tom Goodwin

mrtrance --

I wouldn't think that the submission of the sitemap would put it over the top, but if you haven't done it I would definitely submit it. It will tell you right in the webmaster tools for each site how many pages from that site are indexed, which is invaluable information to me.

It seems like you have done pretty much all you can do though, with demon, etc.

Unfortunately sometimes Google is odd, sometimes it is just slow it seems.

I can't say the exact time that my site is indexed, but I can tell you that it almost never less than 1 hour () as that's when I check to see if the digg, etc. is showing up and if my site was there it should be on top for that search. But, for my last 10 clickbump sites 8 of them had the main domain indexed within 24 hours. In the other 2 instances, it was odd because google had indexed all of the individual pages on my site, but the root domain wasn't showing up as an individual site (e.g. mysite.com/mypage was showing up in a site:mysite.com search, but mysite.com was not). The root domains popped up maybe 2 days after that.

I usually just check at the 24 hour mark, so I couldn't tell you whether it was the 12 hour mark, 18 hour mark 23.5 hour mark or what.

In terms of no content, if we are just talking about the very base install of wordpress, I think I would just keep it invisible.

But, what I have done before (since I got sidetracked), was install clickbump's template and update the site so that it had the about, privacy page, contact page, etc., and otherwise SEO'd the page. But, I didn't actually put any content into the first post. It still said "hello...this is your first Wordpress post" In my last circumstance this actually got indexed quickly (on its own) and actually ranked on the 1st page of google. Lol. It was pretty funny. I got some clicks through that too.

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schnisz

Tom, thanks a ton for that. I will apply!

sterlingtek

the #5 trick of checking the existing competition by using SEO4Firefox for PR0 sites is awesome. I run an ecommerce site and we have a lot of long tail terms. (think 100k+) that we are targeting. Recently we began looking at link building to push up the top 20% of those terms (in terms of traffic) to top positions in google. Trying to figure out when that is going to be easy is a big load off. Thanks clickbump

John W.G.

Two questions:

1)what do you mean by "three PR-"
2)are you talking about the pr of the homepage or the pr of the page that comes up in the listings?

thanks,
John

Michael Gavre

The PR of the Page in the Listing...

Andrew Jacobsen

I have 2 quick questions if you would be so kind:

1. Domain names - example keyword= home made recipe book

would homemade-recipebook.com work here?

2. When you say high speed CSS will wordpress work?

Andrew

schnisz

What happens if the feed page is a 404 error page? all my domains of rss but this one for some reason. Hostgator says to check with wordpress. is there a plug in i can get?

billurell

Clickbump method is for me...I love research hate writing. By the way looking for good writers?

Check out Warriors for Hire. I completely overlooked this resource in the past and am now testing out writers.

badcow

OK good point oscarkool - my sites all are targeted at keyword phrases with less than 10K exact local searches per month, with many of them under 5K. My minimum is exactly like Clickbump says = 2400 exact local searches per month. I check competition with SEO4Firefox and look for at least three PR- to PR1 sites on page 1 results in Google natural search - each must have 50 or less backlinks to the page (not site).

I don't understand how Clickbump can maintain page 1 ranking without doing backlinking at some point (doesn't have to be article marketing tho!).

I am going to focus on building backlinks on my highest potential sites for a few days now and see if that helps.

roxstar

Hey, I was wondering if it mattered whether or not you put AdSense on the site right away. I usually don't put AdSense on brand-new sites so my site doesn't get slapped. Maybe this has been answered - but I don't feel like digging through 7 pages O.o

Thanks in advance,
Kris Roxas

Kris Roxas - Founder of Incredible Wind Media and Restless Events. Restless Events is the fastest-growing corporate launch events company in Canada. You can find me on Twitter and Facebook.

Tom Goodwin

You'll have to ask Google All we can speak about are personal experiences.

For me personally, I put adsense on the second that my site is "live", and it has slowed down its fast indexing or stopped my sites from ranking well quickly.

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roxstar

Alright, so that's pretty much what I do. I usually monetize once I'm indexed.

Kris Roxas - Founder of Incredible Wind Media and Restless Events. Restless Events is the fastest-growing corporate launch events company in Canada. You can find me on Twitter and Facebook.

Tom Goodwin

Note that by "live" i just mean that I finished editing my initial post and setting the plugins, etc. I definitely don't wait for indexing (and still get quick indexing).

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roxstar

Really? Hmm. I've always done this so that my first impression isn't one of a spammer, or something. I guess I'll try putting it up before I get indexed then.

Thanks!
-Kris

Kris Roxas - Founder of Incredible Wind Media and Restless Events. Restless Events is the fastest-growing corporate launch events company in Canada. You can find me on Twitter and Facebook.

kimhanna

I've a newbie question...

So, I've made a site that seems to be within the SOC critera. I've written 15 or so articles that link to the front page, say: www dot bluealienfeet dot com

However, I'm being indexed within G at spot ~#250 or so to the main 'post' on my Wordpress blog, say www dot bluealientfeet dot com/welcome-to-blue-alien-feet/

I've not built any backlinks to this particular URL, so will that be a problem? Why has Google not indexed my root domain?

Confused!

kimhanna

Sorry for the double post, but I'm just re-iterating the criteria commonly used to determine if a niche has weak SEO competition.

(1) At least 3 PR0 or PR- sites in the top ten.
(2) Shopping sites such as shopping.com, ebay.com et cet era in the top 10 are a good sign.

Any one got anything to add? Tom Goodwin, you seem to be the man to ask about this

Michael Bunata

ClickBump....

Mike Bunata here. Something came up today and I was wondering what you're thoughts were. Really anybody can answer this for me. When I have been doing keyword research I have come across name brand type of keywords.

I was told by colleagues here at my work that is a "trademark and Domain Infringement" if I purchase a domain name with a trademark name in it.

For an example would be "disneytoys.com." As you can see "Disney" is in the domain name. Everyone is telling me that I can get into trouble if I owned that domain name. What do you think. What would you recommend or what would you do? Thanks

Mike Bunata - Saint George, UT. - I'm here for the party...

willz605

Mike....

Hope this answers your question:

From the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals:

The presence of a trademark in a web page's URL post-domain path does not violate federal trademark law.

See this website and read up on domain name infringement.

Domain Name Disputes & Domain Name Law

badcow

One more thing to add... the PR- to PR1 sites need to have less than 50 backlinks to the page (not domain). Use SEO4Firefox or SEOQuake to analyze this.

Gale10

Hi,

I have left a comment for you on your blog, Clickbump, I am not able to message you on this forum just yet (newish) and I would love to buy a wordpress theme, if that is ok.

Many thanks,

Ruth

Want well-written articles from a native English speaking writer? Want them written quickly with the minimum of fuss? Want one revision free?

Michael Bunata

Thanks for the help. That realy helps out a lot.

Mike Bunata - Saint George, UT. - I'm here for the party...