Best 2.0 sites for a link wheel?

by Wiggy0618 63 replies
Am doing some article marketing, and want to incorporate some link wheel tactics into it. (Got an idea I want to try out.) I'm looking for suggestions on the best web 2.0 sites to post info to in order to build a link wheel. So far, I was thinking squidoo, scribd, slide (?), blogger, wordpress, hubpages, and weebly. Was thinking of adding EZA, goarticles, articlesbase, and article dashboard (which would be 11 total), but I'd kinda like sites I could post social bookmarks to, and now since I'm reading that the social bookmarking sites won't let you bookmark articles, I'm rethinking that.

I'll be using EZA in the list either way, but suggestions on the last 3-4 would be welcome and appreciated.

And how well (if at all, really) does something like facebook work for something like this? I'd think that FB wouldn't be a super-great choice, simply b/c the people that end up on the articles/properties that have the link to the FB article wouldn't be able to see it unless you're 'friends' and might be reluctant to request such...

Thanks!
#search engine optimization #link #sites #wheel
  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    forget follow vs no follow just get good profiles linking back. Flickr is a good one.
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      Thanks for sharing all the good links Jared. Very kind of you.

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      • Profile picture of the author smak
        I just wanna clear this, But say you are using 8 web 2.0 sites for your linkbuilding wheel, do u submit the same article to those 8 sites OR a fresher new one for each of the 8 sites which obviously require more work and effort.

        Anyone can confirm this?
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        • Profile picture of the author Bajsich
          I believe he rewrites the articles or spins them. It would not be a smart idea to have duplicate content in the wheel.

          My humble opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author RanD
          I definitely wouldn't use a closed link wheel. Google has caught on to that, and it's easy for them to track your circle of links and realize what your are doing. Use an open model.

          Originally Posted by smak View Post

          I just wanna clear this, But say you are using 8 web 2.0 sites for your linkbuilding wheel, do u submit the same article to those 8 sites OR a fresher new one for each of the 8 sites which obviously require more work and effort.

          Anyone can confirm this?
          I would not have two sites containing the same article linking to each other. It would be a huge turn off for a reader who clicked the link hoping to read more, only to see the same article, and it would probably look a little suspicious to Google. They don't all have to be unique content, but you should have at least 2 or 3 different articles and mix their linking up enough that it looks natural.
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    • Profile picture of the author JoomlaTemplates
      Wow! That's fantastic lists!

      3 more websites for Web 2.0 List:

      • hpage.us
      • amplify.com
      • blogoak.com
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  • Profile picture of the author billionareHuman
    Nice list of blog sites. The thing is most of them have you create a new subdomain for you which you get your link on. This is like getting a link from a brand new site, not very effective, getting links from established sites is better that is why profile backlinks work better. If you want to get links from blog sites get it from the ones that create a subfolder for you on their domain rather than a subdomain. eg

    htttp://blogwebsite.com/mywidgetsite instead of htttp://mywidgesite.blogwebsite.com

    I can't say subdomains are treated 100% as new domains without any PR passed on from the main domain because nobody knows what Google does, but from what I have seen with backlinking results it gave me very little ranking power.

    Links from new pages on old domains give better ranking results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
      Originally Posted by billionareHuman View Post

      Nice list of blog sites. The thing is most of them have you create a new subdomain for you which you get your link on. This is like getting a link from a brand new site, not very effective, getting links from established sites is better that is why profile backlinks work better. If you want to get links from blog sites get it from the ones that create a subfolder for you on their domain rather than a subdomain. eg

      htttp://blogwebsite.com/mywidgetsite instead of htttp://mywidgesite.blogwebsite.com

      I can't say subdomains are treated 100% as new domains without any PR passed on from the main domain because nobody knows what Google does, but from what I have seen with backlinking results it gave me very little ranking power.

      Links from new pages on old domains give better ranking results.

      So then, to follow suit with this way of thinking, a list of
      properties that configure account URLs in such an "ideal"
      manner as explained above would be handy.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by billionareHuman View Post

      Nice list of blog sites. The thing is most of them have you create a new subdomain for you which you get your link on. This is like getting a link from a brand new site, not very effective, getting links from established sites is better that is why profile backlinks work better. If you want to get links from blog sites get it from the ones that create a subfolder for you on their domain rather than a subdomain. eg

      htttp://blogwebsite.com/mywidgetsite instead of htttp://mywidgesite.blogwebsite.com

      I can't say subdomains are treated 100% as new domains without any PR passed on from the main domain because nobody knows what Google does, but from what I have seen with backlinking results it gave me very little ranking power.

      Links from new pages on old domains give better ranking results.


      Are you sure about that? Can anyone else comment on this?
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        Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

        Are you sure about that? Can anyone else comment on this?
        I would say that for those that think this way, then don't do it. For those of us that believe that link juice flows from one page to the other, if the home page has a high PR, the sub domain will get some of that juice from the home page through the link structure and pass some of it to your site through the link you put there. In time, the page you create should get some PR of its own, so the juice will grow over time.

        I am not speaking from any authority position. And only one of us can be right. But the logic behind back linking seem to support my position, I believe.
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        • Profile picture of the author searchnology
          Sub-domains, unlike directories off of a TLD, are treated like completely new domains so it is considered a new site and you won't get any link juice from the TLD. The "www" in all TLDs is actually a subdomain as well.

          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          I would say that for those that think this way, then don't do it. For those of us that believe that link juice flows from one page to the other, if the home page has a high PR, the sub domain will get some of that juice from the home page through the link structure and pass some of it to your site through the link you put there. In time, the page you create should get some PR of its own, so the juice will grow over time.

          I am not speaking from any authority position. And only one of us can be right. But the logic behind back linking seem to support my position, I believe.
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      Originally Posted by billionareHuman View Post

      Nice list of blog sites. The thing is most of them have you create a new subdomain for you which you get your link on. This is like getting a link from a brand new site, not very effective, getting links from established sites is better that is why profile backlinks work better. If you want to get links from blog sites get it from the ones that create a subfolder for you on their domain rather than a subdomain. eg

      htttp://blogwebsite.com/mywidgetsite instead of htttp://mywidgesite.blogwebsite.com

      I can't say subdomains are treated 100% as new domains without any PR passed on from the main domain because nobody knows what Google does, but from what I have seen with backlinking results it gave me very little ranking power.

      Links from new pages on old domains give better ranking results.
      Having been around on WarriorForum for a few months now, I feel it is time to give something back. I am still learning and don't have any good SEO tips or IM advice to offer, but I can do a bit of legwork.

      Full credit has to go to Jared for providing the original list of sites. I have today, 29th April 2011, gone through the entire list and arranged them into categories, partly based on the subdomain aspect which has been touched on.

      If you agree that blogsite.com/yoursite is the way to go, there are eleven sites to choose from for your linkwheels.

      Hope this is of use to at least one fellow Warrior

      blogsite.com/yourblog
      Squidoo.com
      Hubpages.com
      Blogskinny.com
      Blogwebsites.net
      Blurty.com
      Opendiary.com
      Thoughts.com
      Upsaid.com
      Blogigo.com
      Blogtext.org
      Wikyblog.com

      yourblog.blogsite.com
      WordPress
      Blogger.com
      Livejournal.com
      Blogsome.com
      Jigsy.com
      Edublogs.org
      Friendster.com
      Knoll.google.com
      Tumblr.com
      Weebly.com
      Webs.com
      Blog.co.uk
      Diaryland.com
      Gather.com
      Tblog.com
      20six.xo.uk
      Bigadda.com
      Blog.ca
      Freeflux.net
      Sosblog.com
      Tabulas.com
      Terapad.com
      Blogeasy.com
      Bloghi.com
      Freeblogit.com
      Insanejournal.com
      Netcipia.com

      Renamed/Moved
      Viviti.com is now jigsy.com
      Msnspaces/windowslivespaces is now WordPress
      Blogono.com - no content, outgoing links point to WordPress
      Shoutpost.com is now tblog.com

      Service No Longer Available (when I tried to access)
      Vox.com
      Blogstream.com
      Clearblogs.com
      Easyjournal.com
      Free-conversant.com
      Bloghorn.com
      Blogr.com
      Blogstudio.com
      Bloxster.net
      Journalhub.com
      Journalfen.net
      Mynewblog.com – looks like a blog directory
      Netcipia.com
      Thediary.org
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  • Profile picture of the author bwh1
    What would be a good quantity of sites in the link Wheel ?

    I heard once 5 to 8, but maybe there is someone which can give a figure based on experience.

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    Jared,

    Thanks for the list of web 2.0 sites and their page rank. That is a really great post!
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    Jared,

    Thanks for your wonderful list of web 2.0 sites together with their ranking. I have copied them down for daily reference. Cool job!

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    As for the web 2.0, is it long term link farm or just a temporarily result?
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  • Profile picture of the author ErickOdicy
    Nice to get a list of web properties over here. I am using about 15 sites from this list, But I ran an open linkwheel(A-B,B-C,C-D). I am getting my SERP increased day by day..... On the otherhand, I failed with other site where I ran closed linkwheel (A-B,B-C,C-D,D-A)
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    I would think he meant, the expected ranking is not achieved.
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    I guys, I am indeed a newbie as i am not familiar with this LinkWheel stuffs. All I know before is the 3 way stuff which is not really a good idea if you wanted to stay clean.

    Os I have a question: How does LinkWheel works? and what is better, an open of close linkwheel? (I just read in this thread about a little bit of linkwheel which is similar to 3 way linking except that it entails a lot of sites.

    any comments and suggestions to my quesry is high appreciated.

    Thanks
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    Thanks Oca1001,

    I think I got it... what it means and how it works... pretty neat but some people are saying it is not as effective as it used to be... but anyways sounds good and I guess i might try it and see how it works.

    Thanks again,
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  • Profile picture of the author Anomaly1974
    I would have to recommend a wider range of sites using the open wheel method as the closed wheel will always result in loops that are easily flagged by the Search Engines. Just like the three-way links before were effective for a while, this too will come to an end. Using the open method prevents any traceable patterns as long as you randomly link between sites ... keeping the niches the same when possible though this may require numerous blogs on all of the different sites.

    Great list Jared ... definitely got that one in my sticky files!
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    Great list thanks Jared
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  • Profile picture of the author DASHBOY
    I think you have got enough web properties 2.0 sites here. Me too normally use about 10-12 sites with unique & fresh content (always go for 250 words or more articles). As well as, I think, it is better not to run a closed linkwheel (e.g: A-B, B-C, C-A), instead you can run an opened linkwheel(A-B,B-C, C-D), then Google will not do anything to your site, otherwise, there will be issues (In case Google identifies that you are running a linkwheel)
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  • Profile picture of the author billionareHuman
    Sub-domains, unlike directories off of a TLD, are treated like completely new domains so it is considered a new site and you won't get any link juice from the TLD. The "www" in all TLDs is actually a subdomain as well.
    exactly! it makes sense that subdomains are treated like new websites as we could all very easy created thousands of subdomain backlinks in 1 day with a script. It's to easy to game thus it won't count.

    If the main domain of the blog websites links to your subdomain then that's great, Google has found a 'new' website that links to you, but if it doesn't link there's no value.

    That's why linking from existing domains (websites), not subdomains boosts your websites more.
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    Thanks for all the possible good websites for wheels at one place.

    Appreciate your help.
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    I found hub pages always seemed to appear highest in google for me.
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    Not sure about everyone else, but I cannot get ever.com or vox.com sites indexed to save my life. And that's with pointing backlinks to them and everything. All unique content too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bajsich
      I have a more fundamental question. In order to get lets say a 10 way (or whatever it is called) linkwheel going you need 10 articles to put on various sites and blogs. Wouldnt it be practicaly the same if you just put them on the big art. directories with all linking strictly to your page and not onwards to another.

      I know that with linkwheeling you "boost" the other page that boosts the other page etc. But if I am not mistaken 1 link leaving a site is more powerfull than 3 links leaving a site( with one of them being the same as the lonely link before ) or is this not true ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
        Originally Posted by Bajsich View Post


        I know that with linkwheeling you "boost" the other page that boosts the other page etc. But if I am not mistaken 1 link leaving a site is more powerfull than 3 links leaving a site( with one of them being the same as the lonely link before ) or is this not true ?

        I think yes, sometimes google can see your article like a spam, so in my opinion is better to leave only 1 link, and anther one to lead to another 2.0
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        • Profile picture of the author JNFerree
          Others have mentioned Flickr is one of the better web 2.0 properties and they are right. As a matter of fact, if you search Flickr for Web 2.0 Link Wheel you will find a couple excellent diagrams on the what a web 2.0 link wheel should contain. Once you've got your profile set up on each property, you can leverage this web 2.0 link wheel to your favor.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jessicalohan21
        Hi Jared Alberghini,
        Thanks for sharing this excellent list.
        I had sorted some effective web 2.0 sites for a link wheel..

        Squidoo.com
        Wetpaint.com
        Wordpress.org
        EzineArticles.com
        Blogsome.com
        Blogger.com
        VOX.com
        Quizilla.com
        Weebly.com
        LiveJournal.com
        HubPages.com
        Onsugar.com
        Prlog.org
        Devhub.com
        Yolasite.com
        Terapad.com
        Beep.com
        Webnode.com
        Viviti.com

        Thanks...
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      @ aa411853. I and you seem to be in the same boat. I have 3 blogs online at least a year now. I have done much research regarding my keyword and the competition. I have a BL strategy which uses an open link wheel more like a radial than a wheel. Along with this I also have a few directory subs and comment links. But for some reason I can't seem to get into Google's top 10. I have more BL that the top ranked site in my niche on all the PR levels yet nothing. Frankly I am getting tired of this internet marketing thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author billspaced
    Originally Posted by Wiggy0618 View Post

    Am doing some article marketing, and want to incorporate some link wheel tactics into it. (Got an idea I want to try out.) I'm looking for suggestions on the best web 2.0 sites to post info to in order to build a link wheel. So far, I was thinking squidoo, scribd, slide (?), blogger, wordpress, hubpages, and weebly. Was thinking of adding EZA, goarticles, articlesbase, and article dashboard (which would be 11 total), but I'd kinda like sites I could post social bookmarks to, and now since I'm reading that the social bookmarking sites won't let you bookmark articles, I'm rethinking that.

    I'll be using EZA in the list either way, but suggestions on the last 3-4 would be welcome and appreciated.

    And how well (if at all, really) does something like facebook work for something like this? I'd think that FB wouldn't be a super-great choice, simply b/c the people that end up on the articles/properties that have the link to the FB article wouldn't be able to see it unless you're 'friends' and might be reluctant to request such...

    Thanks!
    Hey Wiggy, this was a great conversation starter. Have you tried any of the suggestions here?

    I'm working on a semi-automated strategy. Are you game?
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    • Profile picture of the author lucasstarks
      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

      Are you sure about that? Can anyone else comment on this?
      If we are talking about free blogs that require one to register and all, I don't know if myblog(dot)com/blog is better than myblog(dot)wordpress(dot)com. But it does when it comes to paid that have this URL format myblog(dot)com/blog.

      As far as I lknow, if you are using this format myblog(dot)websitesname(dot)com, Google sees it as different website and not as a subfolder. If you are using this format myblog(dot)com/blog, Google sees it as a sub-folder of the site.

      Originally Posted by Emmanuel Betinis View Post

      Interesting. What exactly do you mean by "failed" when you closed the wheel?
      That means he didn't achieved the results he wanted when he experimented on that method.

      Originally Posted by Bajsich View Post

      I have a more fundamental question. In order to get lets say a 10 way (or whatever it is called) linkwheel going you need 10 articles to put on various sites and blogs. Wouldnt it be practicaly the same if you just put them on the big art. directories with all linking strictly to your page and not onwards to another.

      I know that with linkwheeling you "boost" the other page that boosts the other page etc. But if I am not mistaken 1 link leaving a site is more powerfull than 3 links leaving a site( with one of them being the same as the lonely link before ) or is this not true ?
      Well basically yes, it does have the same concept. Boosting one site where you have a link. Although, you don't have control on other sites like directories and besides it takes a long time to make your article or website listed in their listing.

      Originally Posted by Marko Vel View Post

      I think yes, sometimes google can see your article like a spam, so in my opinion is better to leave only 1 link, and anther one to lead to another 2.0
      That'll depend on the websites you are putting your link. If you make all of these accounts in different websites, you should be responsible in updating it every now and then. Don't just leave a link and then go to another without going back.
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  • Profile picture of the author loginname
    Regarding knol.google.com, I have a knol with backlink to one of my sites. I've used SEO SpyGlass and it says that the backlink from knol.google.com is "Restricted from Indexing", despite firefox nodofollow plugin resports it as dofollow. Not sure which is right.

    I was trying the LinkMagnet strategy (WSO)
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  • Profile picture of the author GoldRoyce
    Firstly, I should thanks to Jared for the great list.

    Do we need to register with a different user name for each blog hosters?
    We know if we visit a blog so we can see the name of the poster, and I became afraid that if Google consider this as a deliberate way in making the link wheel and then devalue it because of all the network blogs on the link wheel has a writer (user name or alias name) which in fact identical.

    So I think that is important to make a different user name for each blog hosters.

    Maybe anyone have different views?
    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author GoldRoyce
      Originally Posted by GoldRoyce View Post

      Firstly, I should thanks to Jared for the great list.

      Do we need to register with a different user name for each blog hosters?
      We know if we visit a blog so we can see the name of the poster, and I became afraid that if Google consider this as a deliberate way in making the link wheel and then devalue it because of all the network blogs on the link wheel has a writer (user name or alias name) which in fact identical.

      So I think that is important to make a different user name for each blog hosters.

      Maybe anyone have different views?
      Thanks.
      Not yet have an answer for this question.
      Someone's opinion please...
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  • Profile picture of the author takahashii
    Yes make them different. It's not difficult to do.
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    With Facebook you don't necessarily have to be a friend, having the link to athe article on a fan page is all you need
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  • Profile picture of the author D Baker
    A very important point about Wordpress... If you will add links to your first blog posts your account will be closed.

    You should post 5-10 posts with no links... no links at all. And be sure to never add affiliate links because that is another sure way to get your account suspended.

    Wordpress is a PR9 domain and if you follow their rules you can build a very powerful site with Wordpress.
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      • Profile picture of the author JaySap
        I can confirm your WordPress hosted site (wordpress.com, not wordpress.org) will get removed if you overdo the links. I put lots of content on my WordPress hosted site itsallgo.wordpress.com without any outgoing links.

        I then used the Blogroll section to point links to some of my forum profiles (which had signature links) and my site was suspended very quickly. Thankfully my blog went live again after I apologised and removed the blogroll links.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhonsean
    I think blog hosting for me will do hubpage social publishing these are some sites that are included in link wheel process its a chain when other boost their ranking the other components will rise also.
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  • Profile picture of the author dukehazard
    try mashbite.com, flixya, shetoldme.com and xomba they are dofollow sites and share 100% of the revenue from your articles with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    good job. yes its important to have dofollow links but if you get a plenty of nofollow with high profile it will also increase your impression. there already a great list of high PR site. i think they are enough for your link wheel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Todd B
    i like
    squidoo
    hubpages and quizilla
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    the same ones as BLE uses, work is already done for u
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  • Profile picture of the author manilenio
    I have a question... I read somewhere that when signing up for web 2.0 sites for link wheel purposes, you should not sign up on those sites on the same day, don't use the same account information, and use different computers (or use proxies maybe). Otherwise, Google will see this and penalize you. Is there any truth to this?

    I'm worried since I don't have another computer, and if I used different login information, I might forget which one I used for what.

    Can somebody verify please? Thanks!
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    vox.com is now closed...
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  • Profile picture of the author faysal969
    It is a awesome collection.

    Thank you Jared Alberghini very much for your good work and also for sharing with the warriors.

    It will help so many people who are really interested about IM.
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    Anyone used my opera for blog creation??
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    • Profile picture of the author pons_saravanan
      Yes I have used my opera, It is quite OK. The content gets crawled in Minutes.

      They do review the sites once in a while. So if you keep it clean it should be fine.
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    good list..that's why I love Warriors
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    Tumblr, livejournal, insanejournal, quizilla, friendster and gather.
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    Where are you submiting the press releases?
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      Just like you use web 2.0 sites ,you can also post articles on different press release sites for the link wheel adding to the diverse nature of the links.
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