HUGE hit to my Adsense business

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Hello World. Well today I just got some extremely bad news that may have shut down my XFactor Adsense empire, at least for the time being. I just learned today that, while my Adsense account is still alive and well, every single one of my sites have been removed from the search engines. Reason being is because, according to what Google's telling me in the webmaster tools, the sites may be in violation of their quality guidelines.

This just happened too suddenly, giving me the lesson that you should NEVER put your eggs in Google's basket. I was looking for another model to supplement or replace this anyway (and I may have found it), so this isn't a big deal. Not to mention I DO have a financial safety net. Maybe some competitor stumbled upon my sites and just reported me? Who knows.

Not sad or angry or disappointed or anything, just gotta move on.
#adsense #business #hit #huge
  • Profile picture of the author Kelby
    Boy, I'm so sorry to hear this. Would you be so helpful as to elaborate a bit as to how you violated their quality guidelines? Were your websites totally whitehat? I'd be interested to know what exactly caused Google to shut your account down so I don't make the same mistake.

    I feel for you.. I wish you the best in your other endeavors. Thanks for sharing.
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    • Profile picture of the author jsherloc
      This is HORRIBLE NEWS! Losing a residual income empire must be devastating. Glad to hear you had multiple safety nets.

      As far as the style of your sites, could you elaborate a little more on what your normal site consisted of? I just can't figure out a legitimate reason? Have you tried contacting them at all?
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      • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
        Originally Posted by jsherloc View Post

        This is HORRIBLE NEWS! Losing a residual income empire must be devastating. Glad to hear you had multiple safety nets.

        As far as the style of your sites, could you elaborate a little more on what your normal site consisted of? I just can't figure out a legitimate reason? Have you tried contacting them at all?
        Yeah, it is disappointing, but I was looking to branch out into other sources of income long before this happened, and I believe I found something.

        If you know the XFactor method, that is what I was doing. Basically, a template with related pictures, a tad bit of text under the pictures, then the Adsense ads, and a little bit of unique content on the bottom of all of that (all within Adsense TOS). But it is the sites that were taken out of the Google SERPs, not my Adsense account, and in Webmaster Tools they say that it may have violated their quality guidelines, which they don't (haven't even touched them much after building and submitting them anyhow).
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

          Yeah, it is disappointing, but I was looking to branch out into other sources of income long before this happened, and I believe I found something.

          If you know the XFactor method, that is what I was doing. Basically, a template with related pictures, a tad bit of text under the pictures, then the Adsense ads, and a little bit of unique content on the bottom of all of that (all within Adsense TOS). But it is the sites that were taken out of the Google SERPs, not my Adsense account, and in Webmaster Tools they say that it may have violated their quality guidelines, which they don't (haven't even touched them much after building and submitting them anyhow).
          You guys doing this system need to mix things up some. Put in an Affiliate Banner for a Survey Site or weight loss or something. Also you could have a simple Autoresponder box too. The point is that if you have a few of these extra variables (along with good content) it wont be considered an MFA and Google will be less likely to Ban you or deindex you. Just use some common sense thinking here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
      Originally Posted by Kelby View Post

      Boy, I'm so sorry to hear this. Would you be so helpful as to elaborate a bit as to how you violated their quality guidelines? Were your websites totally whitehat? I'd be interested to know what exactly caused Google to shut your account down so I don't make the same mistake.

      I feel for you.. I wish you the best in your other endeavors. Thanks for sharing.
      Yeah, my sites were 100% whitehat (just used the XFactor method). I would never use bl@ckhat because it is trash (wouldn't know how to anyways). Of course I didn't show anyone my sites so they had to be discovered by someone and just reported me I guess.

      I STILL have my Adsense account, however, so should I ever give this another shot I will have my account to go back to.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kelby
        Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

        I STILL have my Adsense account, however, so should I ever give this another shot I will have my account to go back to.
        Hey... Oh, I read you wrong and assumed your Adsense account was shut down. Were you contact by Google at all?

        If you had to guess what the reason could be, what would you guess? We're interested to know.

        So sorry again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelby
    Biggy... I'm not familiar with the XFactor Method, but are Adsense ads still showing up on those sites?
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    • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
      Originally Posted by Kelby View Post

      Biggy... I'm not familiar with the XFactor Method, but are Adsense ads still showing up on those sites?
      Yep, definitely.
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  • Profile picture of the author alextsui
    Hi,

    Are you John from AdsenseMastersCourse.com? On that sales page there, it mentions "x-factor".

    I'm asking because I've bought this course and is using this Adsense strategy on some of my sites.

    If Google is penalizing sites done this way, I might have to redo all my Adsense sites.

    Please reply. Thanks.

    Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author euhlir
    Sorry to hear that.

    Could you elaborate on what guidelines you were breaking?

    Here's the link for the guidelines if anyone else wanted to check.

    Google Quality Guidelines

    I'd say a lot of the Xfactor sites I've seen usually don't offer value to a visitor, or have a lot of duplicate/very similar content from page to page.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM
    Just out of interest, were you using exactly the same template across all sites?

    Also how many sites were you running? Were they all running under the same IP?

    I'm wondering if Google started to spot a footprint is all...
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  • Profile picture of the author euhlir
    I'm wondering if Google started to spot a footprint is all...
    I see people asking about this all the time. Your site's layout doesn't impact Google's view of your site. Otherwise all wordpress blogs with Google would be in trouble. It's just not the issue.

    The footprint would be that all his xfactor sites had adsense on them so all they had to do was go through the websites his code appears on and take out any they didn't like. That's just my guess, but he also said that he uses webmaster tools so there's another route they could have taken.
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    • Profile picture of the author superassassin
      I'm sorry to hear this Biggy. I don't know if you can salvage your sites still, but it might worth a shot to disable all your adsense adblocks for the time being. Shoot an email to google, in the meantime wait and see if your sites become reindexed? At least this way you can still monetize your existing sites with other methods...

      If competition reported you to google I don't see how that would cause havoc if your sites were fine right? I don't like how Google uses such a blanket statement instead of helping you pinpoint a more specific issue.

      Trying to take a few stabs and see what the issue was:

      -Did you get any warning emails from google?

      -Approximately how many sites did you have running? Did they all get warning emails or just one?

      -How many pages of content did your sites have (excluding About, Contact, & Privacy)? Was it all original content, how many words on average?

      -Were your backlinks only from articles, or did you use other methods as well?

      -Looking back, in your mind what would be the top 2 or 3 things you would have changed to all your sites to possibly prevent this?

      Another thought, a publisher can fly under the radar until they collect their first (or big) check...

      Here's somebody who was in similar shoes:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ed-google.html

      You have the right attitude, some words of wisdom from XFactor:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...who-cares.html

      Hope things work out for you!
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      • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
        Originally Posted by superassassin View Post



        -How many pages of content did your sites have (excluding About, Contact, & Privacy)? Was it all original content, how many words on average?

        -Were your backlinks only from articles, or did you use other methods as well?


        Good questions. I'm curious to these as well. Are you a member of John's forum?


        Kevin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    To answer some questions:

    Yeah, exact same template on every site. About fifteen sites I think (lost count). I guess under the same IP, but no one else but me knows about them.

    Read the guidelines, I am not sure what I'm breaking there. But like I said, I still have my Adsense account, and I'll be looking for other ways to generate Adsense income.

    The XFactor method does work however, so just give it your own little twists and use some strategic ad placement. I still get my Adsense check at the end of this month, so I'm happy about that.
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  • Profile picture of the author euhlir
    Another thing you can do is "fix" up your sites by adding more valuable content and making sure they follow all of G's guidelines. Then ask for them to be reconsidered for indexing. Obviously they are all breaking some rule, and it's tough to say without actually seeing one of your sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author ashsmh
    Hey, sorry to hear about lose of Adsense income. You can still recover by tweaking and putting some really good content. If it's a WP self hosted websites, why don't you try autoblogging?

    Learn Exactly How To Double, Triple, or Even Quadruple Your Traffic to Your Website
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  • Profile picture of the author abbadox
    Can you convert the sites to affiliate offers?.

    You may actually get better results in the long run with affiliate programs, it takes more work but the $ is usually better.
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  • Profile picture of the author SakeSushi
    I had my 1 of my "xfactor" sites removed into the google's blackhole too. Instead of ranking at top 3, it is now ranking at position 400+ when i checked today.

    No chance of it ever coming back again i supposed.

    There could be several reasons, but one main reason i suspected was the extremely high CTR. It has been raking in CTR of above 50% almost daily and even once a 100%.

    and a day after that 100%, it disappeared!

    hence i am much more sensitive to my daily CTR nowaday

    Content-wise, it is not those crappy copy and paste product specifications with 2-3 lines of bull**** written. Instead, it is a 1 pager content with more than 500 words, original content.

    I not saying people who use xfactor site or xfactor's teaching method is crappy, but i have seen sites that are merely keywords stuffing.



    Originally Posted by abbadox View Post

    Can you convert the sites to affiliate offers?.

    You may actually get better results in the long run with affiliate programs, it takes more work but the $ is usually better.
    I don't think he is able to convert,since natural seo traffic has been cut.

    Like my site, i have already given up hope on it to reach even the top 100 again.
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    • Profile picture of the author bbncu
      That is weird that if you are supposedly in violation with their TOS, they should have banned your adsense account and not deindex your sites. I prefer it that way coz you can easily switch to other affiliate programs and probably earn more. I have x-factor sites also and I don't think there is anything that we are doing that violates their TOS. I usually put not just original content but more of an information type that if somebody reads it, they will learn something...that's what google wants right?

      Anyways, to that effect, I got an email also last night by somebody who used my contact form o one of my sites stating that my site is in violation of google's TOS...so, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of haters around reporting sites to google.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradCarroll
    Wow, my sympathies on the @$#$@ from Google. About how much written content were you putting on each page?
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM
    Despite both being owned by Google, the search division and Adsense divisions have completely seperate T&C's. From what I can gather the sites are fine according to Adsense T&C's (which basically say no gambling, hate speech etc), but not search guidelines, which focus on quality of content rather than censorship. The sites haven't been deindexed for contravening Adsense T&C's, but search quality guidelines. Google is more than happy for you to send them traffic, just so long as it doesn't come from spamming their index with what is pretty much dupe content.

    It's been obvious for a while now that Google search frowns on thin affiliate and MFA sites, and while I feel for the OP I can't say that I'm really suprised. I'm guessing that a lot of Xfactor sites would get pulled if they were subjected to human scrutiny, but most fly under the radar. I'm just curious how *all* of the sites have been deindexed - most likely a report from a competitor.

    If you still want to earn income from these type of sites the only answer is to improve the quality (or possibly quantity!) of content. Unforunately that sort of goes against the whole Xfactor methodology because it will mean that there is more stuff on-page to distract from the Adsense block.

    Just my POV, but it isn't going to stop me from having a go myself! Good luck Biggy - hope you get back in the index
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    • "From what I can gather the sites are fine according to Adsense T&C's (which basically say no gambling, hate speech etc)"

      I´m not so sure about that. I thought you need to have at least one link out. One link other than Adsense ads. Most X-Factor sites do not have that link.

      Besides that, in theory you may be right. There is no duplicate content on the pages etc. In court a smart lawyer may win with those arguments. But Google can make his own laws and if they think these are MFA sites, despite the fact that these sites do not violate their TOS, they may shut down the Adsense account anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author pcb1
        Biggy,

        Are you sure your sites are out of the index? or are they just ranking lower?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        I expected and expect this to happen

        IF Google is banning adword advertisers who are paying them money because their landing pages do not show sufficient quality then why wouldn't they do the same to sites that they are paying?

        From everything I see going on since December 1 when the new FTC guidelines came into effect the days of a single page website, sales letter, squeeze page may be coming to a close. Google wants to see fuller websites with multiple pages and reasonable content.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I expected and expect this to happen

          IF Google is banning adword advertisers who are paying them money because their landing pages do not show sufficient quality then why wouldn't they do the same to sites that they are paying?

          From everything I see going on since December 1 when the new FTC guidelines came into effect the days of a single page website, sales letter, squeeze page may be coming to a close. Google wants to see fuller websites with multiple pages and reasonable content.
          I agree as it only makes sense to build quality sites with many pages of fresh content added on a regular basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author chini
    If you were using the same template which John gave you then, thats the problem
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    • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
      To avoid being seen as a thin affiliate or a MFA site i always put a page of links, not affiliate links, to the main authority sites in the niche.

      When ever i build affiliate sites i include the following

      1. about us
      2. contact us
      3. Privacy Policy
      4. Useful sites, links to the top authority sites.
      5. lots of unique content


      if you are using wordpress a news rss feed can help.
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      • Profile picture of the author webeverondelhi
        Google has never shows partiality ..google has different algorithms to identify the bad site according to their guidelines ..so follow guidelines
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    My own experience is that once you gets lots of sites de-indexed by Google, it is quickly followed up by warning letters from the Adsense team itself concerning the breaking of Adsense TOS by using websites that do not adhere to Google's webmaster guidelines. This is what had happened to me and a few others on this forum. Eventually, my adsense account was disabled altogether.

    I would advise you to change course immediately. I do not know anything about X-factor's method, but I would advise you not to use any common templates that could be detected by Google. Finally, don't use Google webmasgter tools, it is simply too dangerous as it will tell Google exactly what sites you own.

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    • Profile picture of the author NicheCowboy
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      My own experience is that once you gets lots of sites de-indexed by Google, it is quickly followed up by warning letters from the Adsense team itself concerning the breaking of Adsense TOS by using websites that do not adhere to Google's webmaster guidelines. This is what had happened to me and a few others on this forum. Eventually, my adsense account was disabled altogether.

      I would advise you to change course immediately. I do not know anything about X-factor's method, but I would advise you not to use any common templates that could be detected by Google. Finally, don't use Google webmasgter tools, it is simply too dangerous as it will tell Google exactly what sites you own.

      Derek
      Absolutely right!

      I can't imagine people still using google webmaster tools or google analytics!

      If you're going to steal a car, take out the black box and web cam first!
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  • Profile picture of the author fthomas137
    Hey all,

    I don't want to be the guy who says this but I must: "Little Chicken the Sky Is Not Failing"!!!

    Biggy, I'm not trying to slam you but you must have done something contrary to what google likes. I don't believe that it's an xfactor problem.

    To start, did you follow John's outline TO THE LETTER. This includes the number of articles, on the site and off the site!

    Did you try and cheat in any area - I know it's easy to do!

    You cannot. You must do the hard work. I agree that the sites are a tad thin as we don't want to spend our lives working on 100 sites with 100 pages each.

    But you must give us all the details. I personally am running over 20 sites and am doing 8 more right now and my rankings flucuate, but it's normally when i cheat is when I see a site dissappear.

    Oh, stop using google tools too. You don't need to tell google with their website tools everything! I'm starting to not use google analytics too. No need to tell google more information then they need. I've begun to treat them like the government, lol!

    Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author sitefurnace
      Originally Posted by fthomas137 View Post

      Hey all,

      I don't want to be the guy who says this but I must: "Little Chicken the Sky Is Not Failing"!!!

      Biggy, I'm not trying to slam you but you must have done something contrary to what google likes. I don't believe that it's an xfactor problem.

      To start, did you follow John's outline TO THE LETTER. This includes the number of articles, on the site and off the site!

      Did you try and cheat in any area - I know it's easy to do!

      You cannot. You must do the hard work. I agree that the sites are a tad thin as we don't want to spend our lives working on 100 sites with 100 pages each.


      But you must give us all the details. I personally am running over 20 sites and am doing 8 more right now and my rankings flucuate, but it's normally when i cheat is when I see a site dissappear.

      Oh, stop using google tools too. You don't need to tell google with their website tools everything! I'm starting to not use google analytics too. No need to tell google more information then they need. I've begun to treat them like the government, lol!

      Frank
      You have told google all they need to know just by putting adsense on your site, they have got your whole network right there in front of them. Webmaster and analytics aren't going to matter.
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      • Profile picture of the author superassassin
        Originally Posted by lesaurus View Post

        You have told google all they need to know just by putting adsense on your site, they have got your whole network right there in front of them. Webmaster and analytics aren't going to matter.
        true enough. personally I don't like google analytics or gwt... besides, who says you have to make their job any easier
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  • Profile picture of the author ebook
    yeah, site structure is key to the xfactor method
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Okay, let's see....

    Yes, I followed John's method to the T. Article backlinking and all. I would never do anything unethical, as I hate unethical stuff anyhow and I wouldn't even know how to do it.

    My content was the one page about the niche I was working on. I had the four pictures up top, and to make sure I didn't violate the Adsense TOS I put a little text under the pictures then the Adsense ads then the content. The content was 100% unique and written by me (no rewrites or anything). It was basically comparing different products in the niche. The About, Contact, and Privacy Policy pages were also present.

    My Adsense account is still alive however, and if I want to try a new route to make money with it I will. But for now I'm working on a new model. But I will never say that the XFactor method doesn't work because it obviously does (as evidenced by my Adsense check and another one on the way).

    BTW, how do I get my site indexed and ranked without the use of Google Tools? Please shed some light on this.
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    • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
      XFactors sites should have 5 pages , 500 words, of unique content.
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    • Profile picture of the author bbncu
      I had several of BANS type sites before that Google deindexed. I changed them to wordpress blogs with content and after 2-3 weeks they were reindexed again. You might want to try that.

      Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

      Okay, let's see....

      Yes, I followed John's method to the T. Article backlinking and all. I would never do anything unethical, as I hate unethical stuff anyhow and I wouldn't even know how to do it.

      My content was the one page about the niche I was working on. I had the four pictures up top, and to make sure I didn't violate the Adsense TOS I put a little text under the pictures then the Adsense ads then the content. The content was 100% unique and written by me (no rewrites or anything). It was basically comparing different products in the niche. The About, Contact, and Privacy Policy pages were also present.

      My Adsense account is still alive however, and if I want to try a new route to make money with it I will. But for now I'm working on a new model. But I will never say that the XFactor method doesn't work because it obviously does (as evidenced by my Adsense check and another one on the way).

      BTW, how do I get my site indexed and ranked without the use of Google Tools? Please shed some light on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author kucaimas
    ow. i'm sorry to hear that?
    how do you know you had rejected by google?
    have you find your site on google?
    if you can break the TOS of adsense, you can't fixed your mistake?
    because you had banned from their search engine.
    But the positif point is you still get revenue from other domain and other company. So don't be affraid.
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  • Profile picture of the author euhlir
    Biggy, I'm not trying to slam you but you must have done something contrary to what google likes. I don't believe that it's an xfactor problem.
    I agree. I've not seen one case on any forum where the person who got their sites de-indexed weren't blatantly breaking a Google rule.

    It may have been just terrible content, excessive keyword stuffing, etc. But I definitely think you were doing something else that you haven't mentioned that in turn got you de-indexed. As I said before though you can fix the problem if it's fixable, and then ask for your sites to be reinstated.

    Just take a look at John Chow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    I swear on my life that I haven't done anything that would blatantly break Google's rules. I've always been a guy to follow rules, no matter how strict they may seem, without trying to bed them.

    But it isn't the end of the world for me, just a setback. A major setback too, but I will overcome this.
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  • Profile picture of the author msoon2k
    Yo Biggy Fat,

    Sorry to hear about what happened. Can you please tell us a few things to help us understand what happened a little better?

    1. How many articles did you actually put on each site? Are you doing only 1 page sites?

    2. How many words did you have on average in your articles? Were they above 500 words at least?

    3. Did you put any google ads on the sidebar right below your menu?

    Your feedback on this would be extremely appreciated.

    Thanks,

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    • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
      Originally Posted by msoon2k View Post

      Yo Biggy Fat,



      2. How many words did you have on average in your articles? Were they above 500 words at least?


      Curious again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
      Originally Posted by msoon2k View Post

      Yo Biggy Fat,

      Sorry to hear about what happened. Can you please tell us a few things to help us understand what happened a little better?

      1. How many articles did you actually put on each site? Are you doing only 1 page sites?

      2. How many words did you have on average in your articles? Were they above 500 words at least?

      3. Did you put any google ads on the sidebar right below your menu?

      Your feedback on this would be extremely appreciated.

      Thanks,

      Mark
      Answers:

      1. If you don't count the about, contact, and privacy policy pages (A privacy policy is required for Adsense anyhow), then yes they're one page sites.

      2. I think they were around 600-800 words. They were a pain in the ass to write because of the research involved.

      3. I put link units on the sidebar above the menu on the sidebar (about, contact, and privacy policy). The other ad is a 336x280 ad in between the text below the pictures and the content.
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      • Profile picture of the author JamesM
        Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

        Answers:

        1. If you don't count the about, contact, and privacy policy pages (A privacy policy is required for Adsense anyhow), then yes they're one page sites.
        I'm willing to bet that's the issue.
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        • Profile picture of the author Matt Helphrey
          Originally Posted by JamesM View Post

          I'm willing to bet that's the issue.
          Id bet on that too.

          You should add a few more pages to a couple of sites and continue to promote it with the articles as normal to see if they come back. Itd be interesting to see if they do, and would be probably be worth the time and effort
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        • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
          Originally Posted by JamesM View Post

          I'm willing to bet that's the issue.
          Yes, I agree too. It seems, it is the issue.
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          • Profile picture of the author WareTime
            Did anyone REALLY think one page sites were a viable option for anything but the extreme short term?

            If you built an empire of one pagers time to get writing.
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        • Profile picture of the author fhharris
          Originally Posted by JamesM View Post

          I'm willing to bet that's the issue.
          There are a couple of things that dont seem to follow normal Google protocol.

          Go to the webmaster guidelines for more answers and even a video that helps one get reconsidered. Also remember that this could very well be a "sandbox" issue.

          To request reconsideration of your site:

          1. Sign in to Webmaster Tools with your Google Account.
          2. Make sure you have added and verified the site you want reconsidered.
          3. Request reconsideration of your site.

          XFactor sites do not violate quality guidelines as long as one keeps the keyword ratio within tolerance as well as follows the other quality guidelines.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Clough
    The problem with Google is that they will never tell you "exactly" what you did
    in plain english. It will be an email pointing out that you violated their TOS and shame
    on you. I have a fried who works there and they are turned into "Jack Bauer" of 24, and
    are not allowed to say anything about anything!! Kinda' like the CIA....lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author XFactor
    Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

    Hello World. Well today I just got some extremely bad news that may have shut down my XFactor Adsense empire, at least for the time being. I just learned today that, while my Adsense account is still alive and well, every single one of my sites have been removed from the search engines. Reason being is because, according to what Google's telling me in the webmaster tools, the sites may be in violation of their quality guidelines.

    This just happened too suddenly, giving me the lesson that you should NEVER put your eggs in Google's basket. I was looking for another model to supplement or replace this anyway (and I may have found it), so this isn't a big deal. Not to mention I DO have a financial safety net. Maybe some competitor stumbled upon my sites and just reported me? Who knows.

    Not sad or angry or disappointed or anything, just gotta move on.
    Hi Biggy,

    Sorry to hear about your setback.

    My best advice would be to stop building one-page websites.

    I too would be scared if my entire portfolio were nothing but 1 page of
    actual content on all sites.

    It's nothing new that Google targets these types of sites as MFA.

    Lastly, I'm not sure why you would call these Xfactor sites, as I always
    advise adding fresh content to every site as often as you can.

    A portfolio of beefed up 20-100 page websites will be more solid than
    1-pagers.

    - John
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  • Profile picture of the author NickMik
    Is your URL a copyrighted name by anychance? That could be another issue if it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
      Hearing nothing but good things about Xfactor's adsense guide definitely will be getting my copy . Sorry to hear about your sites being deindexed Biggy that sucks but like you've been saying, I'm sure you'll bounce back from this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Glassjaw009
        Biggy Fat,

        I'm indefinitely sorry to hear about you getting banned from Adsense. I don't really have any advice to offer other than the fact that I know what It feels like and I share your frustration with you. Keep chuggin away!

        Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    One-page sites are what Clickbump promotes in his self-named "Clickbump method."

    Biggy likely branched off and followed one of John's disciples.
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    • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
      Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

      followed one of John's disciples.
      I thought John was a disciple.

      Maybe I have to read the good book again

      Cheers Kelly,

      Craig
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    • Profile picture of the author nofearman
      This was kinda predictable. The XFactor sites look too much like "Adsense Only" sites, no real content, just Adsense Ads. And with everyone using almost identical templates, it raises a big red flag with Google. Will be intersting to see if other's see similar results (Google slaps).
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    • Profile picture of the author HCLee
      I think it could have been those images you put on your site even if you put a line of text in between them and the ads codes. It is best not to show any images on your site to be completely safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author itcoll
    This seems to be happening to a lot of people.The best that people can do is place a navigation,blog and also lots of content [atleast 20 pages].i think that will be a lot better instead of keeping a single page web site.did you have only single page web sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    This is what John (xFactor) wrote on his original post detailing his methods.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...d7J8TOmqM6UyiD

    "6) Some of my sites only have 1 page of content, yet remain earning
    $2 to $3 daily without any upkeep."

    I saw that and I knew there could be real trouble down the line. Perhaps John should consider amending that point, otherwise a lot of others can get into trouble reading this.

    Derek
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    • Profile picture of the author superassassin
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      This is what John (xFactor) wrote on his original post detailing his methods.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/95891-6-months-later-300-daily-w-adsense-lessons-learned.html#thd7J8TOmqM6UyiD

      "6) Some of my sites only have 1 page of content, yet remain earning
      $2 to $3 daily without any upkeep."

      I saw that and I knew there could be real trouble down the line. Perhaps John should consider amending that point, otherwise a lot of others can get into trouble reading this.

      Derek
      yeah, that thread has long been locked... sure he probably has a bunch of sites that are one pagers, maybe just initially when he first launched them, maybe he just didn't care and moved on. but also take a step back and look at the whole picture, as this is not what his primarily focus is.

      He also dominates the other end of spectrum with domains that have hundreds+ of pages. So if google looked at him, maybe they'd de-index one or two sites, mostly likely they wouldn't even care. Yeah, if your whole website portfolio is full of just one page sites that is a different story right?

      Regardless, this is a reality check & wake up call for anybody who is following this strategy, before it's too late. and it sounds like there's still a chance for Biggy, time will tell...
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by superassassin View Post

        yeah, that thread has long been locked... sure he probably has a bunch of sites that are one pagers, maybe just initially when he first launched them, maybe he just didn't care and moved on. but also take a step back and look at the whole picture, as this is not what his primarily focus is.

        He also dominates the other end of spectrum with domains that have hundreds+ of pages. So if google looked at him, maybe they'd de-index one or two sites, mostly likely they wouldn't even care. Yeah, if your whole website portfolio is full of just one page sites that is a different story right?

        Regardless, this is a reality check & wake up call for anybody who is following this strategy, before it's too late. and it sounds like there's still a chance for Biggy, time will tell...

        You know, the real problem is not de-indexing. You could get your whole adsense account banned if you use too many MFA sites. This is what happened to me and a few others several months ago.

        If you use Google webmaster tools, you are giving the Google Adsense and easy way to know exactly which sites you run.
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        • Profile picture of the author superassassin
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          You could get your whole adsense account banned if you use too many MFA sites. This is what happened to me and a few others several months ago.
          What % of your sites running adsense would you say were MFA?
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          • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
            Originally Posted by superassassin View Post

            What % of your sites running adsense would you say were MFA?
            Over 95%, although they were really not "made for adsense" on purpose but were a front for my domaining business. Here is a list of warning letters I have received from Google over the past few years

            2*obscene/adult language
            1*inappropriate position of ads
            5*use of widely available turnkey MFA sites
            1*use of restricted PLR site
            1* low quality affiliate product page with adsense
            1*low quality site made from wikipedia content.

            I would really have preferred to keep my adsense account but it doesn't really matter that much any more. I have more than made up my lost earnings by redoubling my efforts in affiliate marketing.

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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          If you use Google webmaster tools, you are giving the Google Adsense and easy way to know exactly which sites you run.
          ...and Google wouldn't otherwise know what your other sites due to your adsense ID? If I can find folks other sites with their adsense ID, i'm pretty sure Google can.:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Please be careful with templates as they can trigger a ban.

    Right now I am getting codero ads on all my pages; it is incredible since I do not sell web hosting. Back in the bad old days the algo tried to at least give me ads that were relevant to my site.

    For example if my copy was - DRIVE more TRAFFIC to your web site using search ENGINES.

    You got ads for cars.
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  • Profile picture of the author apollocreed
    From my experience:

    1) Any SEO, including article marketing, is theoretically breaking Google's rules.

    2) Privacy pages, About Us, TOS pages and yada yada will NOT stop your site from getting banned.

    3) Adding or having 100 articles written even by Washington Post writers will not stop your site getting banned or get it re-indexed once de-indexed.

    4) I have had hundreds of sites de-indexed over the years. If the content is of good quality, the main reason of having groups of sites de-indexed is always usually link schemes.

    All of these link schemes you hear about are the culprits. I can already hear people asking "then wouldn'y everybody using the link schemes have their sites de-indexed?"

    I do not have a precise answer to that question, but I know that dealing drugs is illegal and if I get caught with a Kilo of Cocaine while at my local McDonald's, I will probably be locked up. The fact that their are plenty of drug dealers in our streets does not mean though that dealing drugs will not get you penalized.

    All of my testing tells me that it is always the sites that I used blog or link networks that get de-indexed. Always.

    I know people will always say that "then your competitors can wipe you out". I think that was maybe valid a few years ago. These days I do think Google will de-index based on incoming links because maybe they have figured out that statistically, very few competitors will spend their resources on doing so, especialliy when there is no proof that such guerilla tactics would work.

    5) If your site gets de-indexed in Google, do not waste your energy trying to rescucitate it. Buy a new domain and move your content to that new domain.

    6) Blatant MFA site will get you banned.

    Apollo
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    Biggy,

    Do what xfactor says and add pages for related products so that your site has at least 5 pages with unique products on each page... in other words, if you site was about grills, make a page about weber grills, a page about green eggs, etc... also, to get your sites re-indexed, you might try hanging a blog on them(site.com/blog) and posting daily for a few weeks about the products and linking back to the product pages on the sites... make sure to do all the appropriate pinging etc on the blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author apollocreed
      Originally Posted by Kevin_Hutto View Post

      Biggy,

      Do what xfactor says and add pages for related products so that your site has at least 5 pages with unique products on each page... in other words, if you site was about grills, make a page about weber grills, a page about green eggs, etc... also, to get your sites re-indexed, you might try hanging a blog on them(site.com/blog) and posting daily for a few weeks about the products and linking back to the product pages on the sites... make sure to do all the appropriate pinging etc on the blog.
      I wouldn't waste my time trying to get a Google de-indexed site re-indexed.

      Buy a new domain, and start afresh with your new found experience. What is the point of wasting extra resources "hoping" that your site will be re-indexed when you can start over. You can easily re-use the content and re-direct your article resource box links to your new site.

      I have tried all that blogging stuff in the past in trying to get a group of very profitable site re-indexed...It did not work for me.

      If you choose your niches correctly, Xfactor's blueprint will work if you build enough sites.

      Some people may be having problems because Xfactor says and encourages his followers to be creative and add their own twists to their Adsense website approach. He says that they should not necessarily do everything exactly as he does.

      This is what may be causing confusion to some as it is these new twists that they add on their own that is most likely getting their site's de-indexed. Not x-factor's approach per se.

      Apollo
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  • Profile picture of the author fortony
    If you are using Adsense, isn't it pretty easy for Google to know your sites regardless of if you are using webmaster tools etc.?? I cannot see how it matters...
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Cox
    If one wanted to move from Google adsense to another, similar, contextual advertising monetisation method, what would be the obvious move?
    Forgive my ignorance but I thought Google was the only "adsense" player in town. Is that not so?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rhythms
      Originally Posted by LifestyleMaverick View Post

      If one wanted to move from Google adsense to another, similar, contextual advertising monetisation method, what would be the obvious move?
      Forgive my ignorance but I thought Google was the only "adsense" player in town. Is that not so?
      I found these - there may be something here that suits. There is more information at the source.

      Clicksor
      TargetPoint
      Adbrite
      BidClix
      Chitika
      AllFeeds
      Adhearus
      AffiliateSensor
      Bidvertiser
      Veoda
      RevenuePilot
      Kanoodle
      Enhance Interactive
      Quigo
      Intellitxt
      Nixxie
      InfoGrabber
      SearchFeed
      Fastclick text ads
      AdEngage
      BannerBoxes
      ContextWeb
      CBProSense
      ClicksAdsDirect
      Adgenta
      ExpoActive


      Source: Good List of Adsense Alternatives | Threadwatch.org
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      • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
        Originally Posted by Rhythms View Post

        I found these - there may be something here that suits. There is more information at the source.

        Clicksor
        TargetPoint
        Adbrite
        BidClix
        Chitika
        AllFeeds
        Adhearus
        AffiliateSensor
        Bidvertiser
        Veoda
        RevenuePilot
        Kanoodle
        Enhance Interactive
        Quigo
        Intellitxt
        Nixxie
        InfoGrabber
        SearchFeed
        Fastclick text ads
        AdEngage
        BannerBoxes
        ContextWeb
        CBProSense
        ClicksAdsDirect
        Adgenta
        ExpoActive


        Source: Good List of Adsense Alternatives | Threadwatch.org

        That is really good. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author jimfurr
    We can speculate all day long as to Goo's reasons.

    A friend just had his adsense account closed.

    He had at least 5 pages of content on each
    site plus sub pages on each of those.

    He was in the $20K a month range
    with adsense.

    They absolutely would Not tell
    him why they closed his
    adsense account.

    His traffic was from
    EzineArticles .com
    articles.

    So ... ???
    .
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    • Profile picture of the author schnisz
      Originally Posted by jimfurr View Post

      We can speculate all day long as to Goo's reasons.

      A friend just had his adsense account closed.

      He had at least 5 pages of content on each
      site plus sub pages on each of those.

      He was in the $20K a month range
      with adsense.

      They absolutely would Not tell
      him why they closed his
      adsense account.

      His traffic was from
      EzineArticles .com
      articles.

      So ... ???
      .
      Thats utterly ridiculous. For that kind of financial hit, I think I would fly to Mountainview and demand an explanation in person.
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      • Profile picture of the author dknyrob
        Originally Posted by schnisz View Post

        Thats utterly ridiculous. For that kind of financial hit, I think I would fly to Mountainview and demand an explanation in person.
        Yup.... I'll be on the first flight if I was in the high 5 figures. I'll get my lawyers and head right to Mountainview demanding my acct back open!
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        • Profile picture of the author nofearman
          Originally Posted by dknyrob View Post

          Yup.... I'll be on the first flight if I was in the high 5 figures. I'll get my lawyers and head right to Mountainview demanding my acct back open!
          Save your money you would LOSE.
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          • Profile picture of the author sarasayshi
            I'm sorry if it was asked already, but did you own brand name domains?
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            • Profile picture of the author jeswarrior
              All these Xfactor sites are MFA whether you like it or not. I have no doubt they will be wiped out one day as far as adsense is concerned. A simple clue is tons of sites with the same Adsense account. You are really asking for trouble and wasting money on domains. There is nothing wrong with a big flag site. More trust, authority, more content, less management headaches, and Google love.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by jimfurr View Post

      We can speculate all day long as to Goo's reasons.

      A friend just had his adsense account closed.

      He had at least 5 pages of content on each
      site plus sub pages on each of those.

      He was in the $20K a month range
      with adsense.

      They absolutely would Not tell
      him why they closed his
      adsense account.

      His traffic was from
      EzineArticles .com
      articles.

      So ... ???
      .
      The only reaon I know of Google suddenly closing an account without warning is suspected click fraud. They normally give a warning for other offenses like using MFA sites, incorrect Ad placements, use of obscene language etc. They would certainly think very carefully before closing $20000 account. You can sue Google for unpaid earnings but you cannot force them to re-open an account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Erik Ortega
    If you're site is completely white hat and you feel that you haven't done anything to violate Google TOS...apply for a resubmission request. This happened to me once where I had cloaked affiliate links and got de-indexed. I took off the cloaked links and resubmitted with my admission to Google that I felt they de-indexed me because of my cloaked links and I have since removed them.

    In 2 days I was back up and rolling...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kelby
      Originally Posted by Erik Ortega View Post

      If you're site is completely white hat and you feel that you haven't done anything to violate Google TOS...apply for a resubmission request. This happened to me once where I had cloaked affiliate links and got de-indexed. I took off the cloaked links and resubmitted with my admission to Google that I felt they de-indexed me because of my cloaked links and I have since removed them.

      In 2 days I was back up and rolling...
      Hi Erik,

      How were you cloaking your links? Do you mean via javascript? Or were you just using a simple jumpscript for pretty URLs? I'd like to know to make sure I don't make the same mistake. Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author SladeK
        In reading through all of this, I have come to understand "MFA" sites are bad.
        Sorry for the noob question, but what does MFA stand for?
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        • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
          Originally Posted by SladeK View Post

          In reading through all of this, I have come to understand "MFA" sites are bad.
          Sorry for the noob question, but what does MFA stand for?
          Made For Adsense.

          Kevin.
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  • Profile picture of the author preatorian
    i'm so sorry to hear that your adsense account was banned by google maybe due to illegal clicks.
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    • Profile picture of the author clickbump
      Biggy, very sorry to hear about your site's de-indexing. Good thing is that you've still got your Adsense account and now that you know what you need to do (add more quality content) you can do that if you choose. I'm here if you need help as always...

      There has been a lot of talk lately about one page sites and the likelyhood of Google's de-indexing of them.

      Here's my take, since I've become linked with one-page sites (for the record, several of my sites perform best as one pagers, but I've got several that are multi-pagers as well).

      My system (which is just a subset of John's method, with some tweaks of my own) is primarily based on thorough SEO, an insanely fast and optimized template, quality niche selection and relentless research. However, some people just identify me as the "one page site" guy despite the fact that there's much more that goes into my (and many others) success.

      If you are building one-page sites, my suggestion is that you make those page's very informative and a thorough match to the user's search, not a thin MFA clone. Even still, you might need to do more (as evidenced by Biggy's experience).

      If you want to reduce your risk of having your site's de-indexed, then you probably want to add more pages than one. I think this should perhaps be obvious, but I'm saying it none-the-less.
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  • Profile picture of the author President
    What a terrible thing, but don't worry, don't put your eggs in Google's basket just as you said.
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  • Profile picture of the author WarriorMaster
    Its kind a funny how many people don't want to admit that their sites are MFA, I'm not saying that this is something bad but all xfactor sites are MFA. Didn't you create the site solely to put adsense on it?

    Great read people and good to hear that you had an alternative source of income Biggy.

    Take Care
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  • Profile picture of the author munstersg01
    Biggy wish you the very best.

    My personal opinion would be for now to remove your Ads from your sites first, build them with more content. And send a request via webmaster for them to review your website.

    Once you are clear then start having your adsense appearing again.

    Best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author firstdandy
    I think There's no problem with adsense business as long as We're using the right method. I think adsense is for the people that like to write and promote their website. Just with that method people will always come back to your website. Sorry to hear the news. Just want to repeat the essence of adsense publisher
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander CPA
    It happens, just another reason why you shouldn't just work on Google, you should optimize for Bing/Yahoo as well, so if Google does sandbox you, at least you're still getting some traffic from Bing/Yahoo.
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  • Profile picture of the author sohoney
    I am like u,a winner.I certainly will like to know a little about that site anyway.Don wanna fall prey.
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  • Profile picture of the author W2L
    the xfactor method is a good "guide" however I'd rather make my sites a bit 'beefier' to avoid getting slammed by Google should they decide to exterminate all of those MFA sites...
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    • Profile picture of the author nethover
      My adsense account is banned today by using the xfactor method,just send an apeal email to them,wait to see.Should be careful with this method now.



      A few days later,the email from goolge shows that the apeal is invalid,the account is banned.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    You guys are making John look bad when you all are saying you got banned because you are using xfactor method. Google is banning people who write junk content with no external links other than Adsense ads to click on.

    Most of these MFA sites that I see goes like this, "Are you looking for (product name)? (product name) is very popular nowadays, and lots of websites are selling (product name). If you want to look for (product name), just type that into the search engine, and you will find lots of sites that sell it. I highly recommend (product name) because it works well." ... and then filled with another few paragraphs of garbage.

    Google is not banning people for having same templates. If that is true, then all the plain blogspot and wordpress blogs will be banned for having the standard template. If people would just spend an extra 10 minutes, they can come up with better content to write about.
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    • Profile picture of the author WareTime
      Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

      You guys are making John look bad when you all are saying you got banned because you are using xfactor method. Google is banning people who write junk content with no external links other than Adsense ads to click on.

      Most of these MFA sites that I see goes like this, "Are you looking for (product name)? (product name) is very popular nowadays, and lots of websites are selling (product name). If you want to look for (product name), just type that into the search engine, and you will find lots of sites that sell it. I highly recommend (product name) because it works well." ... and then filled with another few paragraphs of garbage.

      Google is not banning people for having same templates. If that is true, then all the plain blogspot and wordpress blogs will be banned for having the standard template. If people would just spend an extra 10 minutes, they can come up with better content to write about.
      Correct and thanks for pointing this out. It's not the method that sucks it's many people's implementation of it.

      The silver lining? Even these low quality sites that are deindexed or who's owners have had adsense accounts closed will not be around in a year.

      Any successful technique that comes along always has people pushing the limit of the absolute minimum they can do and still have the method work. The only good that comes out of that is others learn what does not work and by extension of that, what works.

      So, the take away is build 5 + pages of content that looks like you might intend for another human to actually read it. That means NOT this [ "Are you looking for (product name)? (product name) is very popular nowadays, and lots of websites are selling (product name). ] as misterkailo correctly pointed out.

      Plus if it's not too much trouble, vary some of your pages so when I run across one of these I can't simply google "phrase from your template" and find all of your sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author graham23s
    Did everyone whos accounts got banned have their site in the google webmaster tools?

    cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Interesting .. I just stumbled upon this oldie but goodie.

      So if I read it correctly ... 15 sites using the XFactor method can make a primary income with AdSense? wow?

      So the OP had all the same templates, all on the same IP [ not sure that matters ] - all the same registrar for the domains and registered owner too I suspect?

      I dont know much about adsense - but doesnt that scream to google - MFA Network?
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    That sig just made me spit coffee! Thanks for that start to me day
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  • Profile picture of the author Wonderbaum
    Taking a hit on your sites and/or Adsense account is every Adsense publishers worst nightmare. Cross my fingers and hope I'll never have to experience that.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

    If you know the XFactor method, that is what I was doing. Basically, a template with related pictures, a tad bit of text under the pictures, then the Adsense ads, and a little bit of unique content on the bottom of all of that (all within Adsense TOS).
    Spam central. Not surprised they dumped you.

    Think about it from the searchers perspective...would you want this kind of rubbish in your search results? Well done Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
      Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

      Spam central. Not surprised they dumped you.

      Think about it from the searchers perspective...would you want this kind of rubbish in your search results? Well done Google.
      In no way, shape, or form was it spam. I typed up all the content myself. The users weren't bombarded with ads all over the place.

      Anyway, this discussion is several months old. It's yesterday's news to me, and I got a new Adsense plan (I still have my Adsense account, BTW). Mods and admins, please close and/or delete this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Norwine
    As I am just getting started in the mini-site adsense game, I have no real basis to offer advice but from what I've found in my limited experience about how to expand upon the xfactor / clickbump methods is to actually EXPAND the sites that are performing well.

    I think Clickbump already mentioned this in a previous thread but his "one-page" sites targeting low hanging fruit keywords are ways to get ranked and making money quickly. BUT, once you have a ranked-site bringing in quality traffic, adding more pages of content and siloing your content (as well as developing quality backlinks) is not only a way to stabilize your positioning, but also a way to move up in the rankings and get even more traffic from LTK over time.

    Adding additional outbound links to authority sites at the bottom of your content as well as in your blogroll can also help ensure you aren't just creating spam sites that will google will devalue over time. Yes, these links may divert traffic but probably not as much as you would think.

    We all know that the Big-G continuously updates / tweaks its algorithms so why would it be a surprise that one-page sites with 350-600 words of content isn't a sustainable business model?

    Find which sites are doing well out of the gate and EXPAND. Just my two cents...
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    You said you followed the method to the T, but I highly doubt that...

    You also said you only write high quality articles, but that is your opinion. What you think is high quality might be complete junk to others.

    If you are buying brand name domains, then you might have been reported to Google (ex. iphonecase.com or something like that).

    If you are reviewing products, which you should, then you should link out to those sites. Google hates sites that do not link out, and if the only thing that people can do on your site is either hit the back button or click on Adsense, then yea your sites deserve to be removed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
      Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

      You said you followed the method to the T, but I highly doubt that...

      You also said you only write high quality articles, but that is your opinion. What you think is high quality might be complete junk to others.

      If you are buying brand name domains, then you might have been reported to Google (ex. iphonecase.com or something like that).

      If you are reviewing products, which you should, then you should link out to those sites. Google hates sites that do not link out, and if the only thing that people can do on your site is either hit the back button or click on Adsense, then yea your sites deserve to be removed.
      I'll make this final post then I'll leave this thread alone. This is all yesterday's news. I have moved on since then, so there is no need to discuss this further. I'd like this thread to be closed and/or deleted.

      I'm not gonna start a flame war with anyone here, but I'll set you straight:

      1. My articles were unique and high quality.
      2. In no way did I buy brand name domains. Hell, XFactor admits he does yet he still has his sites haha.
      3. I did review products, and if Google DID hate sites that had the two options of leaving or clicking ads, there would be a LOAD of sites deindexed. I know of some that still exist today in the SERPS and they were created several years ago. I can't say whether they did or didn't deserve to be removed, but I have another plan with Adsense (whitehat, mind you).

      So I'll end my side of the story and leave this one alone, but I'll say this: I know I'm right. Prove me wrong.
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