Domain Age - The hardest things to beat? & Google backlink crazy changes

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I've learned a couple things in the past few days. One is when searching competitions back links on google by using "Links: URL.com" - no follow links show up commonly.

So they obviously have juice, maybe just as much as dofollow. Probably nothing new to most of you guys but eh..maybe i'll help someone hyperventilating about dofollow links!

The second thing i'm having a hard time coping with is Domain age - because it seems like that is the hardest ranking factor when it comes to the eyes of Google, Bing, and Yahoo (or Bahoo..whatever).

Does anyone have any experience on how to put together a linking strategy to beat powerful domain age? I'm fairy knowledgeable about Internet Marketing so don't be afraid to use big words or smack me for being out of line with this assumption
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
    (1) Using the "links: " search in google is about the worst source for checking backlinks. It routinely shows about 1% of the backlinks reported by other services for me. Some posit that it is Google purposely keeping us in the dark.

    (2) This is a "links" search, not a "link juice" search. Just because a link shows up in google's link search does not mean that it passes link juice. That being said, I have not seen any evidence that the nofollow tags do in fact prevent link juice from passing, I just don't see how this search proves that.

    (3) In my experience, domain age is a nonfactor in terms of beating a site. That is, it is almost entirely irrelevant. Everything else being equal, I have not had any harder time beating 10 year old sites than beating 1 year old sites. Obviously other issues that come with age (sometimes), like backlinks and PR are important factors, but then those are the key factors, not the domain age.



    Originally Posted by rockstar99 View Post

    I've learned a couple things in the past few days. One is when searching competitions back links on google by using "Links: URL.com" - no follow links show up commonly.

    So they obviously have juice, maybe just as much as dofollow. Probably nothing new to most of you guys but eh..maybe i'll help someone hyperventilating about dofollow links!

    The second thing i'm having a hard time coping with is Domain age - because it seems like that is the hardest ranking factor when it comes to the eyes of Google, Bing, and Yahoo (or Bahoo..whatever).

    Does anyone have any experience on how to put together a linking strategy to beat powerful domain age? I'm fairy knowledgeable about Internet Marketing so don't be afraid to use big words or smack me for being out of line with this assumption
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    • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
      Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

      In my experience, domain age is a nonfactor in terms of beating a site. That is, it is almost entirely irrelevant. Everything else being equal, I have not had any harder time beating 10 year old sites than beating 1 year old sites. Obviously other issues that come with age (sometimes), like backlinks and PR are important factors, but then those are the key factors, not the domain age.
      That has NOT been my experience. Domain age seems to play a big factor in ranking for competitive keywords ... IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShanghaiTours
    Google now almost cancel the function of "nofollow", and it is said sandbox will not be an issue either.
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  • Profile picture of the author rockstar99
    Thanks Tom, Marhelper, and ShanghaiTours...

    My strategy for beating domain age is to get anchored backlinks on high PR relevant websites. It is my belief that it i have 5 PR7+ backlinks that are relevant than i can knock them out of the water. That's not that easy to do, as most of you know.

    I'm not talking about creating profiles on PR 7 pages. I'm talking about an actual page that's been around a while.

    The key i think maybe is getting backlinks from sites with high PR, but also have been around awhile(an old domain). That would kind of allow you to "slip in the back door" and take the #1 spot.

    Any more advice is greatly appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I have seen Matt Cutts state that Google does not really take any notice of the nofollow tag any more. He didn't say that they pay it no heed at all, but they don't pay a whole lot of attention to it. I have posted the link to that video previously on this forum, but unfortunately I don't have it so I can post it again for you to see.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluelambda
      I believe that in the larger scheme of things, domain age doesn't play such a huge part.

      But if it's something that you think is necessary in your particular market, have you tried buying expiring domains which are aged?
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    • Profile picture of the author rockstar99
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I have seen Matt Cutts state that Google does not really take any notice of the nofollow tag any more. He didn't say that they pay it no heed at all, but they don't pay a whole lot of attention to it. I have posted the link to that video previously on this forum, but unfortunately I don't have it so I can post it again for you to see.
      I wish you had it, that would be awesome. Anyway, thanks for the input everyone - i really appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Agz21
    I think quality traffic and monetization methods is always the most important things. You can generate a lot of traffic with a new domain too. And surprisingly some new domain can have a good rank for certain keywords
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