Does page rank matter anymore?

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It seems that there are sites that have a low page rank but do very well in profit. It does seem somethimes that it does not matter in terms of traffic or sales. Also high page rank backlinks are not guarantee a that your site does better. Just for my experence.anyone agree?
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Yes that is spot on. Pagerank and financial success can vary independently!

    There may be some correlation between page rank and success ... because if you create a great site with superb content, it will naturally get good backlinks, and eventually end up with a decent pagerank. Also as a result of the superb content you should be able to make good money from it.

    I used to be obsessed with my own PageRank, I was led up the wrong path by misinformed posts and people obsessed with it. I now realise it is not worth thinking about it for a second, you could have spent that second doing something more useful like writing a word for a great article!

    To use a bricks-and-mortar analogy, judging a site by page rank is like a restaurant by the number of reviews it has (good or bad) in various books and magazines. That will give you no idea of how profitable the restaurant is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mega B
    Traffic is king and the life blood of any site,PR as i see it is only any good if you plan to sell a site you can command a higher price for the site and also if you are selling links on your site you can charge more the higher PR you have.
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  • Profile picture of the author piplaw
    PR is almost completly useless in real terms. It is only really good for getting a feel of the sites size in a hurry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    I agree, Page rank isn't the end all factor in ranking. All it dose is rank the page, not rank it in the search engines. Like theemperor, I used too be obsessed with my PR as well. However, I realized that it just isn't important.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonMills
    Originally Posted by Spiritjoy View Post

    It seems that there are sites that have a low page rank but do very well in profit. It does seem somethimes that it does not matter in terms of traffic or sales. Also high page rank backlinks are not guarantee a that your site does better. Just for my experence.anyone agree?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ldimilo
      Originally Posted by JonMills View Post

      Dont follow the green fairy dust. You will go mad

      Create a good site, build relationships in your niche and vary your traffic.
      Wish there were more marketers out there subscribing to your belief Jon....

      PageRank simply quantifies link popularity. In other words, if your page is linked up to 1000's of websites out there, chances are good you will have decent pagerank.

      Pagerank has absolutely nothing to do with keyword rankings. Never has....never will....and the only people who are profiting from pagerank are the website flippers who are selling sites with pagerank to people who actually think it is important.
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      • Profile picture of the author MSM03
        Page rank not so much. Trust rank seems to be coming in to it's own now tho! it's taken long enough!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Ldimilo View Post

        Pagerank has absolutely nothing to do with keyword rankings. Never has....never will....and the only people who are profiting from pagerank are the website flippers who are selling sites with pagerank to people who actually think it is important.
        Not true. PR can be very important in keyword rankings when there is good competition. I've seen it over and over. PR is not a indicator of site size as someone stated but of link strength as someone else stated. True you do not need to worry about the PR of your site. That will come on its own if you are doing good SEO but to say it has no importance is just false.

        I know alot of people are saying it but theres no truth to it. Google has not thrown away the PR element in their algorithm
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  • Profile picture of the author Arun Kumar
    I agree with you that page rank doesn't matter at all and i personally don't care it.
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  • Profile picture of the author joan2009
    it's an indicator that your site has good content and popular
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    PR is meaningless. Many people will advocate posting an article to ezine articles first because you will 'get better rankings' which is completely false.

    I post my articles to my PR 3 site, which outrank EZA even with little in the way of back links. I think it used to matter but Google got smarter and it has little impact, the same as domain age doesn't mean anything.


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    • Profile picture of the author Highkick
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      PR is meaningless. Many people will advocate posting an article to ezine articles first because you will 'get better rankings' which is completely false.

      I post my articles to my PR 3 site, which outrank EZA even with little in the way of back links. I think it used to matter but Google got smarter and it has little impact, the same as domain age doesn't mean anything.


      Chris

      Im a newbie & I find this to be quite interesting. I always thought that you want to use the power of Ezine not only for PR but to also drive traffic to your website.

      I assume you dont agree. Do you mind expanding a lil more and explaining to me why is it that you feel that way?
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      • Profile picture of the author noodle2005
        Originally Posted by Highkick View Post

        I always thought that you want to use the power of Ezine not only for PR but to also drive traffic to your website.
        When you submit an article to EZA your article starts off with a page rank of zero, it does not have EZA's pagerank of 5 or 6 or whatever it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdesk
    Page rank seems to be nothing more than clout, in a way similar to what credit card you use. You can still get the goods without using the "best", because "best" is all too often a subjective judgement call.

    It's easy to have sales from a page rank 0 site and any low ranking site too. There are some high ranking sites I would trust my life to though, but through due diligence, I might just believe what I find on a low ranked site.

    One of the posts here mentioned that is is important when it comes time to sell, and that certainly makes sense, but as an insider now, knowing how backlinks are often falsely earned, performance is key. Page rank and performance can be completely opposite.

    I no longer depend just upon Google since SERP can be manipulated and now, whenever I do research, I'll take it to multiple SEs, past even Yahoo and Bing/MSN.

    Being discovered is necessary to get traffic, the way search results appear in my browser show nothing about page rank, so it's only if you did deeper and follow IM and all of the techniques do you even become aware it exists.

    I think it's somewhat a nonissue, but it is helpful to look at it from the perspective of competition. In the courses I've taken, it is stressed that when you are doing your keyword research for microniches, look at the competitor's Google page ranking. If the top SERPs all have low ranking, then it is an easy market to enter because, if you can get a higher ranking, you will out-position them.

    So, I use it as a tool, a guage, and nothing more. But , would I like my sites to rank higher? Sure...
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    • Profile picture of the author Spiritjoy
      Daniel Molano said he had a pr 0 site 1 week old and had 7 sales on it
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    As always, I believe the content, backlinks, and other factors matter more than pagerank (PR).
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  • Profile picture of the author amaltais
    Is the PR of a site and the PR of a link related?
    As many here mention that a sites PR doesnt (really) matter that much, does the PR of a link make a difference when trying to do SEO?
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    • Profile picture of the author linkswap
      Yes, you are right. One can obviously surpass and rank high from a site having more pr in the serp. But having said would also like to say that it's really necessary to build good link popularity for the site to get it to the top.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roberto L
    Content is of more value than PR, how I wished to exchange all my PR for the authorized content for every page! But it is impossible, so all we have to do is to focus on our own site, is it really interesting and useful enough to get visitor's eyes?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jessicalohan21
      You cant say that PR is doesn't matter at all. PR is shows your site quality. PR is doesn't make helps in get keyword ranking. But it will be helpful a lot when you selling you site and you are selling links on your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author staceymattew
    PR is one of the 200 ranking factors in Google Search Engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author patmiller27
    you can't ignore pagerank it is as necessary as other factors
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  • Profile picture of the author rosesmark
    If you want to sell your website so Many people watch your Website Page Rank and your website inner Page
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Did PageRank ever matter unless you were selling links?
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  • Profile picture of the author Pijor
    It depends on what your goal is.

    If your goal is to sell a certain website then, yes, its PR matters as you will be able to fetch a higher price for it if it has a higher PR.

    But if your goal is good search engine ranking then PR has little if not zero effect. I know this from experience. One of my autoblogs with a PR of zero ranked on the first page of Google for several important keywords and attracted over 1,000 visitors a day.

    Originally Posted by Spiritjoy View Post

    It seems that there are sites that have a low page rank but do very well in profit. It does seem somethimes that it does not matter in terms of traffic or sales. Also high page rank backlinks are not guarantee a that your site does better. Just for my experence.anyone agree?
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    • Profile picture of the author Yurii
      PageRank, it is not important as before but it's still matter nonetheless. Other SEO Specialists are saying the Page Rank's importance has indeed dimisnished over the years, but you can't just ignore it, it's still a vital metric to measure your SEO success.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Personally, I think it matters very little...BUT IT SURE IS FUN TO GET SOME!
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    • Profile picture of the author largeformatprint
      Traffic is the main thing for the website... but you cannot ignore the page rank because if you have good page rank you will get good baclinks...
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  • Profile picture of the author jhonsean
    For me it matters but great content and quality backlinks is more important than PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author joesmith1608
    yes, for high page rank site google give more weightage than low page rank site.
    You also get keyword ranking in comparision of low page rank site.
    Any site with low page rank can have high keyword ranking in google.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaron_nimocks
    Read Googles patent if you want the answer.

    To sum it up. It is a factor in the algorithm but a small factor.

    Personally. It only matters if you are selling links/websites. You get people that still buy based off that and until they wake up and stop buying based off of PR then you will still get people that are selling and think it's important.
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  • Profile picture of the author JermeyBrown
    If your site PR is 6 or 7 and traffic zero than PR 6 is not of any use except you sale your site link. PR is nothing just an link analysis algorithm, i think its better to focus on traffic than PR improvement
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  • Profile picture of the author gittar1122
    Pagerank is not an indicator for success, its a google parameter used for ranking sites. But if you are doing SEO in right direction then Pagerank will be helpful. Pagerank means your site is old so you can go for high level of linkbuilding. If you perform large scale linkbuilding for a new site then it may hurt your site but old sites are mostly safe from this risk.

    So this SEO is directly related to your success, and not pagerank.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by Spiritjoy View Post

      It seems that there are sites that have a low page rank but do very well in profit.
      Originally Posted by amaltais View Post

      Is the PR of a site and the PR of a link related?
      As many here mention that a sites PR doesnt (really) matter that much, does the PR of a link make a difference when trying to do SEO?
      Originally Posted by rosesmark View Post

      If you want to sell your website so Many people watch your Website Page Rank and your website inner Page
      Originally Posted by joesmith1608 View Post

      yes, for high page rank site google give more weightage than low page rank site.
      You also get keyword ranking in comparision of low page rank site.
      Any site with low page rank can have high keyword ranking in google.
      Originally Posted by JermeyBrown View Post

      If your site PR is 6 or 7 and traffic zero than PR 6 is not of any use except you sale your site link. PR is nothing just an link analysis algorithm, i think its better to focus on traffic than PR improvement
      Originally Posted by gittar1122 View Post

      Pagerank is not an indicator for success, its a google parameter used for ranking sites. But if you are doing SEO in right direction then Pagerank will be helpful. Pagerank means your site is old so you can go for high level of linkbuilding. If you perform large scale linkbuilding for a new site then it may hurt your site but old sites are mostly safe from this risk.

      So this SEO is directly related to your success, and not pagerank.
      Hi Fellow Warriors,

      Websites don't have PageRank!

      It may seem like a subtlety, but much confusion is derived from not understanding this fundamental principle:
      PageRank is not assigned to websites it is assigned to individual documents denoted by a specific URL.

      PageRank has it's role in weighting the influence a backlink may have on your page's relevancy score, in that sense it is very important. However, SERP are not based on PR, they are based on relevancy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas De
    Pagerank can be a first indicator about the backlink structure of a website. The ranking depends on relevance onpage and offpage. So a lot of non relevant but high PR backlinks increase the Pagerank but not always the ranking that much.
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  • Profile picture of the author khenmhike
    having a high PR site is good, but traffic determines how beneficial your site is.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I have sites with PR4 which receive NO traffic at all and no revenue.
    I have one site PR3 which is a "slapped together" autoblog which only re-posts and re-links news.
    And i have one site which did NOT have PR for ages (now got PR1 recently) which is VERY HIGH in Google for the main keyword and actually my site with the most traffic.

    So..PR doesnt mean anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I have sites with PR4 which receive NO traffic at all and no revenue.
      I have one site PR3 which is a "slapped together" autoblog which only re-posts and re-links news.
      And i have one site which did NOT have PR for ages (now got PR1 recently) which is VERY HIGH in Google for the main keyword and actually my site with the most traffic.

      So..PR doesnt mean anything.
      Hi GeorgR,

      Sites don't have PR, only individual pages.

      You are right that your page's PR score "doesn't mean anything" when it comes to your SERP ranking. That doesn't mean that it is unimportant in regards to backlink value.

      The reason you often see pages with plenty of PR not rank well is because that PR is likely derived from irrelevant backlinks and therefore have no influence on your pages's SERP rank.

      And yes I know some will say that they have managed to rank well using irrelevant backlinks. I believe in those cases they simply have misunderstood what caused their rankings. It's likely, in my opinion, that they used irrelevant backlinks to accumulate PR to a page and then used relevant keyword anchortext to pass influence on the relevancy score of other pages on their website. It's important to note that they will never receive any ranking benefit until after they pass the accumulated linkjuice through a link with relevant anchor text. When it comes to ranking, relevance is absolutely essential.
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