Will Google penalise me for having very similar sites?

14 years ago

If the sites look the same, contain the same content, and sell the same product. One of them will do better than the other. You are better to focus your time on trying to rank one site for both terms :-)

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

If the sites look the same, contain the same content, and sell the same product. One of them will do better than the other. You are better to focus your time on trying to rank one site for both terms :-)

And I think you should have them on two separate servers (or use something like SEOhosting) I don't believe Google will "penalize" you, but if the content is not 100% original on both sites, just one will probably do good and the other one sort of average :-)

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bha 14 years ago

Originally Posted by 7_8_shortcuts

And I think you should have them on two separate servers (or use something like SEOhosting)

I dont know about SEOhosting. I think G probably knows that all of those IPs come from the same hosting company, this is why I always get several hosting plans from totally different companies.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

If the sites look the same, contain the same content, and sell the same product. One of them will do better than the other. You are better to focus your time on trying to rank one site for both terms :-)

Hi Brad,

You are absolutely right instead of focusing on both the sides just focus on key terms that you have targeted and manage the site that is giving you best output that is which is ranking properly.

It is very important, but also if one site is providing you everything then it is better to implement that site and you can do one thing with the second site as, better to work on it by adding something different.

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A Bary

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MrYossu

Hello,

Say I've spotted a red-hot market for people wanting to buy Venezuelan beaver cheese. I do my keyword research, and find that the two phrases "Venezuelan beaver cheese" and "beaver cheese from Venezuela" get loads of searches and have little competition.

Even better, the two domain names venezuelanbeavercheese.com and beavercheesefromvenezuela.com are available!

So, I register both of them, add some content and start building backlinks, using the two phrases as appropriate.

Am I likely to get penalised for having two very similar sites (in keyword terms) if they're on the same server? Presumably if they are on different servers (say with different hosting companies), then Google is less likely to realise they are both mine.

Along the same lines, would putting them both into the same Google Analytics account cause me any problems?

Any comments would be welcome on this. I'm not actually looking at Venezuelan beaver cheese, but I have a similar issue in mind.

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I think you need to read more about seo before spending money and time like this

First, you don't need to register both domains and build 2 sites to rank for the 2 keywords, ONLY ONE OF THEM will rank for both with prober work

Second, IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED THAT Google put red flags for such a strategy by registering very close k.w. as domain names and build poor sites with little content on the same server, the days of building a hundred one page sites on the same server to manipulate the ïnurl"bot is over, and Google may put you in trouble for this..

Long story short, you don't need this, build one good site with good content targeting a number of keywords and you'll acheive much better results

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MrYossu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by goldmind123

I think you need to read more about seo before spending money and time like this

Probably, but I'm not sure your comments justify that...

Originally Posted by goldmind123

First, you don't need to register both domains and build 2 sites to rank for the 2 keywords, ONLY ONE OF THEM will rank for both with prober work

Yes, but if I have two sites that rank well, then I own two slots in the top ten. Surely that's worth having?

Originally Posted by goldmind123

Second, IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED THAT Google put red flags for such a strategy by registering very close k.w. as domain names and build poor sites with little content on the same server, the days of building a hundred one page sites on the same server to manipulate the ïnurl"bot is over, and Google may put you in trouble for this..

Who said this was going to be a poor site with little content? I never said that. My intention was to build good quality sites with a good amount of content. Obviously they would start with a low amount, but it would build up over time.

I assume from your words that having similar sites on the same server is a problem. That was my basic question, so at least that is answered.

Originally Posted by goldmind123

Long story short, you don't need this, build one good site with good content targeting a number of keywords and you'll acheive much better results

Well, despite your incorrect assumptions about my intentions, you answered what I asked, so thanks for that. However, it would have been nice if you had checked your assumptions before being so critical. I have no intention of churning out poor quality one-page sites as you suggest, but can still see the value of producing more than one site on a similar theme.

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A Bary

14 years ago

I'm so sorry for trying to advice according to what I know, plz read your OP again and try to figure what it reflects..

Again, I am so sorry, just keep what you're doing....

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MrYossu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by goldmind123

I'm so sorry for trying to advice according to what I know, plz read your OP again and try to figure what it reflects..

I have read it again, and I'm not sure what you're getting at.

You read it to mean I was suggesting producing multiple one-page spammy sites. I pointed out that this was an incorrect assumption.

What else did you mean?

Originally Posted by goldmind123

Again, I am so sorry, just keep what you're doing....

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A Bary

Well, I asked the question because I want to know. I read your reply carefully, but it seemed to be based mainly on a false assumption.

You also mentioned that you feel that having similar sites on the same server is a bad idea. Other people here have suggested that it's not. I'm still trying to work out which is right. If you, or anyone else has any documented evidence as to which is right, I would love to see it as I'm not clear right now.

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A Bary

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MrYossu

I have read it again, and I'm not sure what you're getting at.

You read it to mean I was suggesting producing multiple one-page spammy sites. I pointed out that this was an incorrect assumption.

What else did you mean?

Well, I asked the question because I want to know. I read your reply carefully, but it seemed to be based mainly on a false assumption.

You also mentioned that you feel that having similar sites on the same server is a bad idea. Other people here have suggested that it's not. I'm still trying to work out which is right. If you, or anyone else has any documented evidence as to which is right, I would love to see it as I'm not clear right now.

Ta ra

Well, I wasn't going to input again in this thread, however, I see you want to find an answer, as I can see JUST PLAIN HARMFUL ADVICE floating here.

I suggest you refer to Matt Cutts blog and you'll find an answer to your question, and you'll get the evidence you're looking for about this subject, and you'll know that having multiple sites for different keywords doesn't do you much good..

One last thing: WHO ON EARTH SAID YOU NEED MULTIPLE SITES TO DOMINATE MORE THAN ONE SPOT AT THE TOP OF THE SE?

And who said it can't be achieved (with much higher chances for success) with a single site?

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MrYossu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by goldmind123

Well, I wasn't going to input again in this thread, however, I see you want to find an answer, as I can see JUST PLAIN HARMFUL ADVICE floating here.

OK, I'm glad you came back, as I didn't want you to go off feeling bad on my account ;-)

Originally Posted by goldmind123

I suggest you refer to Matt Cutts blog and you'll find an answer to your question, and you'll get the evidence you're looking for about this subject, and you'll know that having multiple sites for different keywords doesn't do you much good..

OK, my question was more about whether having the sites on the same server was a bad thing. I checked Matt's blog, and found a fair amount of evidence that Google don't really take any notice of the server unless you have a couple of thousand sites.

For example, he flatly denies discriminating against sites on the same server in this blog post, and in this video (linked from this blog post) he explains it again, and it quite definite about it.

Sure, he says that if you have masses of similar sites on one server, then they might get suspicious, but a couple or three is not going to be a problem.

Originally Posted by goldmind123

One last thing: WHO ON EARTH SAID YOU NEED MULTIPLE SITES TO DOMINATE MORE THAN ONE SPOT AT THE TOP OF THE SE?

I don't think anyone did, but I for one would like to know how! I can see how to do it for multiple sites, but not for one.

Please elucidate.

Originally Posted by goldmind123

And who said it can't be achieved (with much higher chances for success) with a single site?

Why are the chances of success higher for one site? With multiple sites, you spread yourself out, so if anything happens to one, you have the rest. With one site, all your eggs are in one basket.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm playing devil's advocate to clarify the matter.

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FredFarnes 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MrYossu

Yes, but if I have two sites that rank well, then I own two slots in the top ten. Surely that's worth having?

For one well-searched keyword in a competitive niche, I have two websites on the 1st page and one website on the second page. The two on the first page are on different servers, the one on the second page is on the same server as one of the 1st two.

However, my three sites are not similar. I made them unique as though they were built by three different people.

This is a great strategy. Get multiple sites on the 1st page, to capture more clicks.

Ignore everyone else's opinion, go for it and bank the revenue!
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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

No you will not get punished by the all mighty evil google... Many of us already do exactly what you are talking about...

Doing proper keyword research, on page seo, and backlinks.. Both can do just fine - Although I would use different content and not the same content with just the keywords changed.

Personally I would never register domains that long but that's me ... You do not have to have the keyword in the domain name to rank good .. Matter fact someone without that keyword in the domain name can outrank you..

James

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un 14 years ago

where can I buy Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?
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- MrYossu 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by un
  
  where can I buy Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?
  
  I'm sorry sir, today the van broke down.
  
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  Yeah I want some as well, I like cheese
  
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- ElMundodelExito 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by un
  
  where can I buy Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?
  
  Let me tell you the true >>> we don't have beavers in Venezuela!!!
  
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  Originally Posted by ElMundodelExito
  
  Let me tell you the true >>> we don't have beavers in Venezuela!!!
  
  What!!
  
  You mean Cleese was lying!!
  
  I think I better go lie down for a while, this is too much for me!
  
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MrYossu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

No you will not get punished by the all mighty evil google... Many of us already do exactly what you are talking about...

Would you put two such similar sites on the same server, or would you put them on separate ones?

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Doing proper keyword research, on page seo, and backlinks.. Both can do just fine - Although I would use different content and not the same content with just the keywords changed.

Oh I wasn't going to use the same content. I was going to write unique stuff for each one.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Personally I would never register domains that long but that's me ... You do not have to have the keyword in the domain name to rank good .. Matter fact someone without that keyword in the domain name can outrank you..

James

Hee hee, those were joke domains, based on a joke niche that I haven't researched. I thought Venezuelan beaver cheese was famous enough that people would get the joke. If not, see

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

for the source of this rare delicacy.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MrYossu

Would you put two such similar sites on the same server, or would you put them on separate ones?

Oh I wasn't going to use the same content. I was going to write unique stuff for each one.

Hee hee, those were joke domains, based on a joke niche that I haven't researched. I thought Venezuelan beaver cheese was famous enough that people would get the joke. If not, see YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. for the source of this rare delicacy.

Well I live a sheltered life ...

As far as putting onthe same IP ... Yep I sure would and I do .. IP means nothing and no, search engines do not search for your IP. That myth about building sites on a different IP is nothing but a myth.

I have been doing it for years with no problem at all ..

James

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MrYossu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Well I live a sheltered life ...

As far as putting onthe same IP ... Yep I sure would and I do .. IP means nothing and no, search engines do not search for your IP. That myth about building sites on a different IP is nothing but a myth.

I have been doing it for years with no problem at all ..

James

Do you have any evidence, other than your own experience? I'm not saying you're wrong, I really have no idea, but I know loads of people who drive above the speed limit (not me of course, I'm a perfect driver - ahem), and who could argue that since they have never been caught, it must be OK!

Obviously there's a difference, but I'd like to be a little more sure. You hear so much contradictory evidence, that it's hard to draw a sure conclusion from one person's own experience.

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duncanb

14 years ago

You may find it harder to register both domains with adsense.
Then again seeing as you only have 2 websites you might get away with it.
If you had 100 similar websites then i would imagine you would be penalised.

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Goatboy

14 years ago

There are other reasons for buying more than one domain name, perhaps chief among them is to prevent a competitior from buying a competing name. You can always develop one of the sites and park the other name.

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digigo

14 years ago

you are worrying too much... if they are identical.. why not do a 301 redirect? otherwise you can have substantial shared content.. it would still be fine.. keep in mind, google and search engines rank pages.. not websites..

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MrYossu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by digigo

you are worrying too much... if they are identical.. why not do a 301 redirect? otherwise you can have substantial shared content.. it would still be fine.. keep in mind, google and search engines rank pages.. not websites..

As I said earlier, they aren't identical. They are similar in that they are both on the same niche, but the two sites will be different in both design and content.

I know Google rank pages, but they also look at those pages in context. If they see two sites with very similar content (ie the overall subject matter is closely related, even if the actual text is different), and they are on the same server, they might (ie I have no idea but am asking) decide they are both owned by the same person who is trying to get an unfair advantage.

Bear in mind that Google can (and probably does) check all sorts of things about the pages it indexes. They can check server IP, domain registration details, etc. I have no idea how much they do check, or how much weight they put on the info they find, which is why I was asking the question in the first place.

I know Google's algorithms are very sophisticated, and could well take lots of factors into account. I don't want to get caught out by something that may well be an obvious trap. That's why I asked the question.

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searchnology

14 years ago

You're right in being cautious. The server IP footprint is the biggest hurddle to ranking multiple sites. Google (actually anyone) can spot people building their own link farms a mile away.....this is the reason you rarely see ANYONE ranking multiple sites that they own on SERPs because they usually host them with the same company or they use the same Google analytics account for all of their sites as well as a myriad of other items that are easily detected.

Originally Posted by MrYossu

As I said earlier, they aren't identical. They are similar in that they are both on the same niche, but the two sites will be different in both design and content.

I know Google rank pages, but they also look at those pages in context. If they see two sites with very similar content (ie the overall subject matter is closely related, even if the actual text is different), and they are on the same server, they might (ie I have no idea but am asking) decide they are both owned by the same person who is trying to get an unfair advantage.

Bear in mind that Google can (and probably does) check all sorts of things about the pages it indexes. They can check server IP, domain registration details, etc. I have no idea how much they do check, or how much weight they put on the info they find, which is why I was asking the question in the first place.

I know Google's algorithms are very sophisticated, and could well take lots of factors into account. I don't want to get caught out by something that may well be an obvious trap. That's why I asked the question.

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A Bary 14 years ago

Well, let's try to start over again

People who are talking about that it's better to have multiple "SITES" ranking in multiple spots of SE don't get it correct

Again for the millionth time: "GOOGLE DOESN'T RANK SITES"
Google Ranks PAGES

Google algorithm is a really complicated innovation, and it depends on many factors (200+ factors determining the rank of the page)...

Among these factors, there are factors related to the site the page belongs to

That's why pages belong to authority sites (EZA, Squidoo, HubPages..etc )

have great chance to rank well..

And one of the big factors Google determines the authority of the site upon is the "volume of unique content on this site"

i.e., the number of pages Google indexes and considers as unique content..

Let's relate this to what you're trying to do..

let's say you have built 2 sites, put 10 pages of content on each of them...

Now, the number of pages indexed by G. will be 10 for each of them (this is scenario 1)

Now, let's for scenario 2 suppose that you put the 20 pages of content on a single site...

a page from the site in scenario 2 has a much better chance to rank for the given keyword than a page belongs to one of the 2 sites in scenario 1

Because G. put a considerable weight on the size of the site

a site with 1000 unique, good content has much better value over a 100 pages site...

That's why I am telling you that building one good site is much better than splitting your effort on multiple sites for the sake of "keyword in domain" thing...

How to achieve this?

Simple, build a blog instead of a static site!
build a wordpress blog

every single post you add is treated as a page, and has a chance to rank for the keyword you optimize it for...

Now, if your are targeting a certain keyword, what are the chances in your opinion if Google (instead of finding one page on your site optimized for this keyword) finds on your site 5-10 posts optimized for this keyword and interlinked wisely?

Much bigger success for these posts to rank high for this keyword, and with well written optimized content, you can grab more than one spot by posts on the same site..

I can't cover this subject in a small post like this, I am just trying to scratch the surface and give you a brief idea about it...

SEO isn't a game where you try to manipulate or fool Google, SEO is an organized process that has many aspects to cover and a steep learning curve to absorb, even though those who know " the full story" are very, very few people out there, and you don't need to learn the whole story, all what you need is to follow the "right path", and for your information, it's the best, straightforward and fail proof path to succeed with Search Engines...

Good Luck

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- MrYossu 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by goldmind123
  
  Well, let's try to start over again
  
  I think that's part of the problem, you're starting over with a slightly different topic.
  
  I originally asked about the potential problems of having similar sites on the same server, to which you replied...
  
  ...the days of building a hundred one page sites on the same server to manipulate the ïnurl"bot is over, and Google may put you in trouble for this.
  
  Now, based on what Matt Cutts says in his blog, that's not true.
  
  You're now talking about the relative ease/difficulty of ranking one 20-page site against two 10-page sites. What you say has a lot of sense in it, but it's a different issue.
  
  You also haven't explained why you think one site is better when multiple sites can occupy multiple positions in the SERPS. Many keywords are easy to rank for with a small site, so if you build two, you get two places in the SERPS. Your argument about bigger sites ranking better is true in some situations, but not in many others. I have some sites with only a few pages that rank well. It all depends on the competition.
  
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MrYossu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by searchnology

You're right in being cautious. The server IP footprint is the biggest hurddle to ranking multiple sites. Google (actually anyone) can spot people building their own link farms a mile away.....this is the reason you rarely see ANYONE ranking multiple sites that they own on SERPs because they usually host them with the same company or they use the same Google analytics account for all of their sites as well as a myriad of other items that are easily detected.

Actually, if you look at the links I posted to Matt Cutt's blog earlier in this thread, you'll see that Google doesn't appear to take any notice of your IP address unless you're being silly. With only a few sites, having them on the same server shouldn't make any difference.

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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

No you will not get punished by the all mighty evil google... Many of us already do exactly what you are talking about...

Doing proper keyword research, on page seo, and backlinks.. Both can do just fine - Although I would use different content and not the same content with just the keywords changed.

I concur with the rich jerk.

Like he said... many of us already do this. We are greedy and aren't happy with one site in the top 10... we want all 10 spots.

My big thing now is to build big authority type sites that target all of the top keywords and phrases in a niche... then build more of them 'cus I'm super greedy and I don't only want the top 10 spots for a keyword, I want the top 10 spots for all of the good keywords in a niche.

It's a long road and a lot of work but it's really cool seeing all of the pieces fall into place.

I guess that makes me an arrogant jerk aspiring to be a rich jerk.

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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

you'll know that having multiple sites for different keywords doesn't do you much good..

How could having multiple sites for different keywords not help? More sites and more pages means more SE space you are taking up. Many niches have multiple 'money' keywords. Why would you not want a piece of all of those keywords through as many sites possible?

One last thing: WHO ON EARTH SAID YOU NEED MULTIPLE SITES TO DOMINATE MORE THAN ONE SPOT AT THE TOP OF THE SE?

Sure, you can get indented SE listings. That still leaves 9 other sites on the first page. If you can rank one site into the top 10 you can do the same for multiple sites. Having sites sitting at #3, #5 and #7 are going to increase your traffic and should increase revenue generated. The more sites and pages you have ranking are only going to increase the odds that you will get the sale.

And who said it can't be achieved (with much higher chances for success) with a single site?

you can have a single site that ranks well for multiple keywords, but once again, why settle for a single site if you can have multiple sites taking up multiple high SE positions.

Why settle for a single slice when you can have the whole pie?

Am I suggesting making 5 duplicate sites using the exact same content, no, that would be silly but it's not that hard to spin your content and mix up your on-site SEO enough to make each site unique.

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drew3806

14 years ago

This topic is of interest to me as I have uncovered a small list of single term keywords that fall under the same broad category but have generic domain names that match each keyword exactly available for each term. The competition for each term is nonexistent. The fist page of Google consists of amazon & nextag type interior pages. There is not more than 1 backlink anywhere on the first page!

My plan is to create adsense sites on the keyword's domain name & secure the rest of the top ten with Web 2.0 properties structured around each keyword. And I was wondering this morning if Google would penalize me if all these sites are registered under the same email address? I have never come across a situation like this where the first page is barren of any competition.

This is not a huge niche, each keyword gets about 1000-2400 monthly searches, but what would happen if everything on the 1st page was funneled towards my adsense EPN & Amazon accounts?

Incidentally when it comes to cheese I prefer Japanese Sage-Darby

I like to wash it down with a touch of Watney's Red Barrel! LOL

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MrYossu 14 years ago

Originally Posted by drew3806

Incidentally when it comes to cheese I prefer Japanese Sage-Darby I like to wash it down with a touch of Watney's Red Barrel! LOL

What about a bottle of Chateau Nuissont Wogga-Wogga 1942? This is not a wine for drinking, this is a wine for laying down and avoiding!
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cagliostro

14 years ago

I have done something like that. I currently have one website about a CITY of Europe, an other website with only travel photos of that city and a third website with an yearly EVENT of that city.

No same data to all three, unique content.

Still the first and biggest website does all the traffic and adsense money. Maybe because it is older and bigger.

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max922

14 years ago

Not a Big Issue If your website Offering Same products & Services Google never penalize you but if your Content is Same then You may Ban from Google and Your website will not rank in Search Engine

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bha

14 years ago

This is an excellent way to dominate a niche and put money in the bank. Here is what I do and it works for me every time.
I register the domains privately and under different accounts (one in business name, one in my name and one in wifes name if needed). From there I build completely different sites with different content and host with different hosting companies (bluehost.com, hostgator.com, etc) to keep ip diversity when linking the sites with each other. If you choose to monetize with adsense, only use it on one site (this keeps google from finding that the sites are related).

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IntegratedS

14 years ago

Try to put both keyword phrase on 1 site which you have registered you should keep that site which is the older one as most search engines look for the age of the website as a ranking factor. And will bring traffic to your site...
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Neenadevi

14 years ago

If your site contents are same, you will be penalized. You should make sure you have enough unique contents for each site. If both domains have same contents, redirect one domain to other from 301.

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rajivkumar900

14 years ago

there is no problem if you go for two either you can take any number of domain and can promote the same niche google doesnt count this ...google will take your page in search results on the basis of contents and backlinking pr and other things but ovisouly google doesnt takes server info. until you are not using any spamming method.

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nettech

14 years ago

Just ensure main page content for each domain is different, do not respin the content or change it slightly, ideally get 2 different articles done.

Dont worry abotu getting penalised, I doubt you will as long as your content adds value to the user.

Just dont duplicate exactly what you're doing for botgh sites, so bookmark them with differetn sites, use various article directories, different forum profiles etc. Just make it lok natural, oh and if you can, try and get the privacy swiched on for both domains, that shoud help a little.

Like one of the guys above said, a LOT of people are already doing this and they havent had many problems.

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NewYorkCity

14 years ago

Lol I never heard of this..

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Will Google penalise me for having very similar sites?

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