Help-I have an SEO Problem and Don't Know What to Do!

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I have a problem with an SEO service I ordered and I'm not sure what to do.

Last month, I hired a guy from Getafreelancer for SEO on a site I have. He guaranteed he could bring my site to Google 1st page in 60 days, even for a fairly competitive keyword.

I know, it seemed too good to be true, but the guy had 36 reviews at GAF and most were 10 out of 10. He seemed like a top notch pro.

So I hired him, but I made the mistake of paying him through his website and not through GAF-per his direction. I trusted him, cause nothing indicated that he was scamming me.

This month, I asked him for an update, and his response was that this was not a standard link building campaign, and that his group knows how to manipulate Google's algorithms and that they are updated every 60 days, so I would just need to wait till March 10 or thereabouts and my site would be 1st page.

This really made me nervous, cause I thought this was a conventional SEO campaign. Now, I don't know what to do. This guy claims that his group has the ability to put sites in Google top 10 and/or get them banned. He's very confident and seems to know what he's talking about.

Now, I have only a few days before my ability to file a Paypal dispute expires, and I paid him $750, so it's not chump change. However, I don't want this guy messing up my site either. He doesn't have any of my login info so he can't do anything on page.

What I can't figure out is, if this guy is scamming people (which seems like this kind of thing would be a scam), why can't I find any information from anyone else who claims to have been scammed by him, and why only positive ratings in GAF?

This is where I hope someone here can help. The name of this guy's web site is me-market.net. His user name (and I believe 1st and last name) are Nader Wanis. He is based in Egypt and is also associated with something called El hekma labs.

I can't find anyone anywhere that says they signed up for SEO from this guy and did not get the Google first page that they were promised, but I at the same time I can't believe that this could be legitimate.

I guess what it comes down to is:

1. Can this guy really put my site on Google 1st page for my keyword?

2. Can this guy get my site banned from Google if I file a Paypal dispute?

Can anyone here tell me the likelihood of these two things and why this guy has been around since 2005 and has nothing written anywhere that I can find from others who have been scammed by him?

Thanks in advance for any help you all are able to provide.
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  • Profile picture of the author nouseforaname
    - Have you checked on this guy portfolios?
    - How many sites he succeeded brought up to Google's attention (Get ranked)?
    - How hard the keywords he had dealt with (Which he managed to rank those sites)?
    - How long the sites he ranked in Google remains on the track?
    - Ask him to prove at least one of the site he had worked for (High ranked ones), maybe by altering some html on that site.
    E.g: "Add footer note on that site, such as (This is my work)"

    $750 is still a huge of amount, I don't pay people if he/she doesn't showing me proofs.
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  • Profile picture of the author islander1
    No I didn't ask for any proofs- I just trusted his positive feedback from GAF. I will ask him for that, but I'm just very skeptical of the whole idea that someone could manipulate the Google algorithms and rank you in Google 1st page for any keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author nouseforaname
      Originally Posted by islander1 View Post

      No I didn't ask for any proofs- I just trusted his positive feedback from GAF. I will ask him for that, but I'm just very skeptical of the whole idea that someone could manipulate the Google algorithms and rank you in Google 1st page for any keyword.
      You should now,.... what if he can't manage to bring your site to Top ranking? Any guarantee? Ask him for proofs now (my opinion). Actually when outsourced SEO work, these questions are common;

      What SEO Tools he use on weekly basis?
      What is the biggest failure on your SEO project?
      What is your weakest/strongest in SEO?
      + Questions I mentioned on #2 post.

      But since he said he can manipulate the Google algo, I will ask for proofs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Reeves
    Have you seen any positive movement at all of your site since hiring him?

    There's no way that come March 10th you're just going to shoot to page 1 (I'm assuming you're not anywhere near page 1 now?)...Google doesn't update website rankings only once every 60 days, it's constantly updated.

    SEO isn't a mystery and there's no way to get a site to page 1 (assuming it's not a very low comp keyword that lets you start there) without doing proper on-page and off-page (backlinks) optimization.

    1. Extremely doubtful if you aren't already close. There are no magical, secret loophole ways to get to page 1 for competitive terms - Only proven strategies.

    2. I'm pretty sure he can't do anything off-site, without any access to your site to get it banned.

    Regards,
    Chris

    Edit: If I had the secret to gaining certain page 1 results for competitive terms without any of the typical SEO strategies...the last thing I'd be doing is offering that for people at $750 a pop on GAF. I'm guessing the reviews he had posted were flubbed.
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    • Profile picture of the author islander1
      Originally Posted by Chris Reeves View Post

      Have you seen any positive movement at all of your site since hiring him?

      There's no way that come March 10th you're just going to shoot to page 1 (I'm assuming you're not anywhere near page 1 now?)...Google doesn't update website rankings only once every 60 days, it's constantly updated.

      SEO isn't a mystery and there's no way to get a site to page 1 (assuming it's not a very low comp keyword that lets you start there) without doing proper on-page and off-page (backlinks) optimization.

      1. Extremely doubtful if you aren't already close. There are no magical, secret loophole ways to get to page 1 for competitive terms - Only proven strategies.

      2. I'm pretty sure he can't do anything off-site, without any access to your site to get it banned.

      Regards,
      Chris
      No, my site has no significant ranking yet, and it is a very competitive keyword.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Reeves
        Originally Posted by islander1 View Post

        No, my site has no significant ranking yet, and it is a very competitive keyword.
        I'd have to say I'd definitely file a dispute, no question about it.

        Nothing to lose...and $750 to gain back for proper SEO services

        Hope everything works out OK for you!

        Thanks,
        Chris
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        • Profile picture of the author islander1
          Originally Posted by Chris Reeves View Post

          I'd have to say I'd definitely file a dispute, no question about it.

          Nothing to lose...and $750 to gain back for proper SEO services

          Hope everything works out OK for you!

          Thanks,
          Chris
          I think you're right- I just wanted to make sure there is nothing this guy can do to my site without knowing the login info, and it looks like that is the case.
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          • Profile picture of the author flipkid
            Hi Paul,

            I got your PM but I can't yet PM back on this so I'll post here and keep your site confidential.

            Here's what I found. He completed all of the on-page SEO. It is totally optimized for your search terms. The domain is great for the offer. Also the site design and linking is good. It has a 100% on-page SEO score - I'm not sure if that's thanks to him or you but either way it's very good.

            The bad news is it doesn't have a single backlink. He hasn't done anything. Even if he was adding 5 per day at least 1 would show up in 59 days. I would safely say that it's fraud.

            Your domain is very young and your site has very little content compared to other sites ranking. You are going to have trouble ranking for a while. Also your keywords (I know you are aware of this) are very ambitious, but nothing is impossible.

            Google your top keyword and look at the companies it returns to you. Think about how huge their budgets are. The top site is PR7. Now expand those keywords into longer ones and you"ll have something.

            You are in the Philippines? I'd recommend checking Craigslist in Manila you can probably get this job done by a local Filipino for less than half and you can see the person do the work locally.

            Get your money back immediately with Paypal. I hope helped you out here buddy. I wouldn't worry too much about him messing with your site, I don't think he knows how.
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            • Profile picture of the author debra
              According to the TOS of GAF, it is against their rules to make arrangements outside of thier escrow service once a job is awarded.

              By reporting this, you could get this guy banned from using thier service again.

              By requesting you to make payment in another way also allowed him more room(time) you get you past the chargeback period.

              I would do a chargeback and inform him that according to the TOS you perfer to pay for his services through the GAF escrow services and then be legible to leave feedback. You can't leave feedback on the site unless you use their escrow service.

              Hummm....I Wonder how many ppl he's screwed and got by with it because of it.

              a. turn the situation in to GAF
              b. do chargeback
              c. re-setup through GAF escrow

              If he's legit...he shouldn't have a problem with that and it would also allow him to prove/redeem himself.
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              • Profile picture of the author islander1
                Originally Posted by debra View Post

                According to the TOS of GAF, it is against their rules to make arrangements outside of thier escrow service once a job is awarded.

                By reporting this, you could get this guy banned from using thier service again.

                By requesting you to make payment in another way also allowed him more room(time) you get you past the chargeback period.

                I would do a chargeback and inform him that according to the TOS you perfer to pay for his services through the GAF escrow services and then be legible to leave feedback. You can't leave feedback on the site unless you use their escrow service.

                Hummm....I Wonder how many ppl he's screwed and got by with it because of it.

                a. turn the situation in to GAF
                b. do chargeback
                c. re-setup through GAF escrow

                If he's legit...he shouldn't have a problem with that and it would also allow him to prove/redeem himself.
                Debra,

                Very good point, he did indeed violate the GAF TOS. This was another reason why I was puzzled as to why he wouldn't have been banned yet. I can't be the only person he's advised to go outside their network. If that's true, you'd think that if he scammed others, they would have complained and gotten him banned from GAF already.

                On the other hand, maybe he's been building his rep for a while on GAF and I'm his first victim. In either case, I am now convinced that there is very little chance this guy can harm my site, so I am going to file the chargeback today.
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                • Profile picture of the author blue_sky
                  I just stumbled over your post and wonder if you had success with paypal....
                  regarding GAF - I had a similar problem though not seo related - a lot of freelancer at GAF fake their feedbacks have multiple accounts etc etc
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                  • Profile picture of the author brp002
                    $750 for SEO wow that is a lot of money. You can get good quality job for about $400 if you outsource the right way.

                    I would dispute the charges and look elsewhere because if he is not doing standard SEO practices then I would leave as soon as possible.

                    If google catches you then you are thrown to the curb.

                    If you ever need any help just send me a message I can give you some free pointers.

                    Thanks,
                    Brian P
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            • Profile picture of the author islander1
              Originally Posted by flipkid View Post

              Hi Paul,

              I got your PM but I can't yet PM back on this so I'll post here and keep your site confidential.

              Here's what I found. He completed all of the on-page SEO. It is totally optimized for your search terms. The domain is great for the offer. Also the site design and linking is good. It has a 100% on-page SEO score - I'm not sure if that's thanks to him or you but either way it's very good.

              The bad news is it doesn't have a single backlink. He hasn't done anything. Even if he was adding 5 per day at least 1 would show up in 59 days. I would safely say that it's fraud.

              Your domain is very young and your site has very little content compared to other sites ranking. You are going to have trouble ranking for a while. Also your keywords (I know you are aware of this) are very ambitious, but nothing is impossible.

              Google your top keyword and look at the companies it returns to you. Think about how huge their budgets are. The top site is PR7. Now expand those keywords into longer ones and you"ll have something.

              You are in the Philippines? I'd recommend checking Craigslist in Manila you can probably get this job done by a local Filipino for less than half and you can see the person do the work locally.

              Get your money back immediately with Paypal. I hope helped you out here buddy. I wouldn't worry too much about him messing with your site, I don't think he knows how.
              Hey Flipkid,

              Thanks for all the advice and no, this guy didn't design my site, that was done by a completely different freelancer who turned out to be phenomenal at what he does (at least I got one good one out of 2).

              I know what you're saying about competition in this industry and how long it may take to rank for those keywords. I will look into hiring someone here locally-that may be my best route at this point.
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  • Profile picture of the author flipkid
    Hi Islander,

    Firstly I'm very sorry to hear of your troubles. Your right, $750 isn't chump change.

    I know I'm a bit new to this forum but I've been an SEO for just a shade under 10 years so maybe I can help you out a bit.

    Last month, I hired a guy from Getafreelancer for SEO on a site I have. He guaranteed he could bring my site to Google 1st page in 60 days, even for a fairly competitive keyword.
    Any SEO that guarantees anything is WRONG to do so. The problem is that SEO isn't an exact science. There are best practices, but Google's algorithm will forever remain a mystery to everyone but a few people at Google.

    The problem is that almost no one will ever tell you this. His intentions may have been good, but guarantees don't exist in this line of work unless its a money back guarantee if he doesn't get the proper results. That's the only guarantee I have for my clients.

    What I can't figure out is, if this guy is scamming people (which seems like this kind of thing would be a scam), why can't I find any information from anyone else who claims to have been scammed by him, and why only positive ratings in GAF?
    Sometimes scammers use something called a 'long con'. They build trust for a short period of time and do legit work or buy a legit account. Then they take a long-term service like SEO where you are not expecting results for 60 days and take your money. (I don't know him, and I am not saying he is a scammer).

    Most start with the best intentions after reading an eBook or two and having some longtail success, then they think they can get ranked for 'weight loss' in 60 days. I do believe that most get in with the best intentions and just can't deliver.

    I've done some investigation for you and this may help you out:

    1. The guy claims to be an SEO. If you visit his site you can see he only has 6 backlinks in Yahoo and none in Google. Not a great sign. But in his defense, some overseas contractors I've used are too busy building backlinks for other sites they forget about their own.

    2. He's a member of WarriorForum. His Warrior name is naderwanis and doesn't appear to be very active on the forum, he has only 1 post and joined in Sept of 2009.

    3. He owns about 11 Domains. His e-mail is naderwanis (at) gmail com but his name appears to be Abdel, Nader or that is a partner. He is based in Egypt.

    4. This is his contact info:
    me-market
    339 cleopatra Ave #12
    Alexandria, Alexandria 12345
    Egypt
    +20.0123654789

    5. On GAF he doesn't have a project bid over $90 USD which makes your project about 8 times his average. Most have no final bid prices at all. This I would say is not a great sign. It could've all been faked.

    Soooo...sorry this was so long but I like research. To answer your last questions:

    Can this guy really put my site on Google 1st page for my keyword?
    He may be able to, but it doesn't look promising at this point. If you PM me with your keyword or site I will give you my opinion.

    Can this guy get my site banned from Google if I file a Paypal dispute?
    Yes. But it's going to take him a long time and a lot of man hours. That's why you have to be careful with SEOs. If you build too many links too quickly you can get banned or sandboxed. Even worse Paypal doesn't cover transactions that don't involve the transfer of a physical product with tracking. I'd still file if I were you and send him a quick e-mail explaining the situation.

    Can anyone here tell me the likelihood of these two things and why this guy has been around since 2005 and has nothing written anywhere that I can find from others who have been scammed by him?
    He's only had the domain since 2005. I also saw 2 not so favorable reviews for him on GAF. It doesn't look good especially if he's threatening your site. Certainly not professional.

    I really hope this works out for you. Guys like this make us all look bad.
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    • Profile picture of the author islander1
      Originally Posted by flipkid View Post

      Hi Islander,

      Firstly I'm very sorry to hear of your troubles. Your right, $750 isn't chump change.

      I know I'm a bit new to this forum but I've been an SEO for just a shade under 10 years so maybe I can help you out a bit.

      Any SEO that guarantees anything is WRONG to do so. The problem is that SEO isn't an exact science. There are best practices, but Google's algorithm will forever remain a mystery to everyone but a few people at Google.

      The problem is that almost no one will ever tell you this. His intentions may have been good, but guarantees don't exist in this line of work unless its a money back guarantee if he doesn't get the proper results. That's the only guarantee I have for my clients.

      Sometimes scammers use something called a 'long con'. They build trust for a short period of time and do legit work or buy a legit account. Then they take a long-term service like SEO where you are not expecting results for 60 days and take your money. (I don't know him, and I am not saying he is a scammer).

      Most start with the best intentions after reading an eBook or two and having some longtail success, then they think they can get ranked for 'weight loss' in 60 days. I do believe that most get in with the best intentions and just can't deliver.

      I've done some investigation for you and this may help you out:

      1. The guy claims to be an SEO. If you visit his site you can see he only has 6 backlinks in Yahoo and none in Google. Not a great sign. But in his defense, some overseas contractors I've used are too busy building backlinks for other sites they forget about their own.

      2. He's a member of WarriorForum. His Warrior name is naderwanis and doesn't appear to be very active on the forum, he has only 1 post and joined in Sept of 2009.

      3. He owns about 11 Domains. His e-mail is naderwanis (at) gmail com but his name appears to be Abdel, Nader or that is a partner. He is based in Egypt.

      4. This is his contact info:
      me-market
      339 cleopatra Ave #12
      Alexandria, Alexandria 12345
      Egypt
      +20.0123654789

      5. On GAF he doesn't have a project bid over $90 USD which makes your project about 8 times his average. Most have no final bid prices at all. This I would say is not a great sign. It could've all been faked.

      Soooo...sorry this was so long but I like research. To answer your last questions:

      He may be able to, but it doesn't look promising at this point. If you PM me with your keyword or site I will give you my opinion.

      Yes. But it's going to take him a long time and a lot of man hours. That's why you have to be careful with SEOs. If you build too many links too quickly you can get banned or sandboxed. Even worse Paypal doesn't cover transactions that don't involve the transfer of a physical product with tracking. I'd still file if I were you and send him a quick e-mail explaining the situation.

      He's only had the domain since 2005. I also saw 2 not so favorable reviews for him on GAF. It doesn't look good especially if he's threatening your site. Certainly not professional.

      I really hope this works out for you. Guys like this make us all look bad.
      Thanks for the research. Sent you a pm with my site info
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  • Profile picture of the author harry12
    you need to very passions if you are doing the internet marketing of your website or if any other person is doing the internet marketing of your site and no body can give you the surety or like guarantee that your site will be on top 10 in 2 or 3 months.it can be on top 10 within month or may be not on top 10 after 4 months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Rankin
    No one has the power to guarantee placements on Google. That would be insanity. They wouldn't be wasting time helping you for $750 on GAF, they would be raking in millions or even billions by ranking their own websites and getting billions of hits.

    I say file a dispute and get your money back if they haven't delivered what they promised. Before I became an SEO myself, I got burned many times in this kind of deal for guaranteed rankings for $XXX. It never worked out. I had to learn it and do it for myself, and I tell all my clients the same thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author islander1
      Originally Posted by Scott Rankin View Post

      No one has the power to guarantee placements on Google. That would be insanity. They wouldn't be wasting time helping you for $750 on GAF, they would be raking in millions or even billions by ranking their own websites and getting billions of hits.
      You're so right Scott. I lost my common sense for a while and trusted the guy's outstanding GAF ratings. Luckily, I woke up before it was too late to dispute and realized that there's no way he would do what he was promising-he would instead make billions himself.
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  • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
    Hi there

    Sounds like a similar guy I hired he was called nader or something, i sent him money which was a mistake, and then he tryed to change the terms of hte agreement, so I said Ill have my money back then, thats when he started threatening to get my sites banned etc.

    I claimed my money back via the payment gateway we used, and am weary who i hire on GFL now

    Woc
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    • Profile picture of the author islander1
      Originally Posted by usearchme2 View Post

      Hi there

      Sounds like a similar guy I hired he was called nader or something, i sent him money which was a mistake, and then he tryed to change the terms of hte agreement, so I said Ill have my money back then, thats when he started threatening to get my sites banned etc.

      I claimed my money back via the payment gateway we used, and am weary who i hire on GFL now

      Woc
      I'm glad you got your money back. Yeah, it sounds like the same guy. He claims to be able to get your site banned, and he's been making all kinds of other belligerent statements since I filed my dispute.

      I'm not worried about him anymore, I'm just getting my money back and moving on.
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  • Profile picture of the author firstdandy
    Yeah, You should be careful when dealing with people on GAF. I have used GAF many times and I always use milestone escrow payment. I think using escrow is the way to get rid of this kind of problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author islander1
      Originally Posted by firstdandy View Post

      Yeah, You should be careful when dealing with people on GAF. I have used GAF many times and I always use milestone escrow payment. I think using escrow is the way to get rid of this kind of problem.
      I have definitely learned my lesson and will never use GAF without using their escrow again.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaktimaan
    I am also working at GAF as an seo expert. I am wondering why did you pay him $ 750 in advance. How many days have past since you assigned him the project? yes, Seo takes time.

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  • Profile picture of the author cmaq
    Sounds too good to be true.
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    • Profile picture of the author arttse
      File a credit card chargeback with your bank (not with paypal) indicating you have been scammed.

      99% of the time YOU WILL GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
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      • Profile picture of the author islander1
        Originally Posted by arttse View Post

        File a credit card chargeback with your bank (not with paypal) indicating you have been scammed.

        99% of the time YOU WILL GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
        If Paypal fails, then I will file a credit card chargeback, but I think I will get my money back from Paypal anyway, cause I have already alleged fraud against this scammer and I believe Paypal will side with me.
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        • Profile picture of the author arttse
          Doesnt Paypal have a capping on how much they can retrieve for you?

          Your bank usually credits your card as soon as you file a complaint and then they investigate. As I said, you will get your money back if you go down this path.

          Originally Posted by islander1 View Post

          If Paypal fails, then I will file a credit card chargeback, but I think I will get my money back from Paypal anyway, cause I have already alleged fraud against this scammer and I believe Paypal will side with me.
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          • Profile picture of the author islander1
            Originally Posted by arttse View Post

            Doesnt Paypal have a capping on how much they can retrieve for you?
            I'm not sure about that, but the $750 was in 2 separate transactions, cause I ordered 2 different keywords, and Paypal's system allowed me to file the disputes, so I don't think there's a problem there.

            Also, the Paypal dispute technically is not against the scammer, but against Plimus, his payment processor for his website, so I also have a dispute filed with Plimus against the scammer. I am hoping that it will be resolved on one of these 2 levels, but if I have to, I will bring in the credit card chargeback.
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            • Profile picture of the author marvelinfoway
              I am the latest victim for this guy. He said that he will make site top in google and i gave tough competitive keyword, He said that network will be doing offsite seo. I paid 200 usd first and decide to give another 200 usd when they complete. But right now it crossed 70 days. I requested refund. Please friends help me..
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  • Profile picture of the author brp002
    Good hope everything works out for you. In my opinion he has to be a scammer.
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