Forum Link Building: Relevant Or Waste Of Time?

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Back once again, this time we're on the topic of Forum Link Building! As I have stated in another thread, I'm doing a research paper on SEO & LinkBuilding. We aren't talking forums like the warrior forums, but more niche forums where you are specifically there for backlinks and possible networking. I'm looking to pick the brain of the experts here on the forum.I know there are a hell of a lot of talented people on this forum, and the end results is going to:
A) Help me with my paper
B) Help noobs who are looking for this information
C) Showcase your skills/knowledge
That said, I would like to gather information on forum link building, and warrior experience with forum link building, both past and present...

Some Questions to start up the discussion...
1. What is your exact method with forum link building?

2. What makes a good profile, what makes it not look spammy?

3. What are your rules for a signature? How many links? Additional text? To your money site, or elsewhere?

4. How many posts should you be posting a day? How much is too much/too little?

5. When do you typically start seeing results?
Once again, thanks in advance... Let's rock this thread!

Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    I have done some forum signature backlink campaigns in the past, but not a whole not because the harvest is usually not as good as with profile links. Many forum admins erase the signature links, even when theyre done discretely.

    So usually when I arrive at a forum these days I first check if the subjects are somehow related or accommodating to "my" product and if so I go ahead with one signature link, but none in the profile. That way the juice goes all to that one link and besides, posts in the forum are guaranteed to get indexed by google whereas forum profiles are not.

    I dont just place a link in my signature though, I also always insert a nice quote or proverb that works for the forum (that way you add more value than just your product link). I actually have a whole list of quotes to pick from just for this purpose. If the forum subjects dont relate I only insert the link in my profile and leave a breadcrumb post in the forum.

    I always try to contribute something thats more than just a couple of sentences, sometimes it even pays off to do a quick google search to help someone troubleshoot and then you provide this or that link in the post.

    How many posts per day depends on how much of a workaholic you are and how quickly this type of work tires or bores you.
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  • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
    Originally Posted by ThePassiveIncomeBlog View Post

    Some Questions to start up the discussion...
    1. What is your exact method with forum link building?


    I don't have an exact method. I create a bunch of profiles, get them indexed, see how well they work and act accordingly.

    There are various tools to help you get them indexed, namely Backlink Booster and Backlink Indexer Express. You can also ping them and social bookmark them if you wish.

    Originally Posted by ThePassiveIncomeBlog View Post

    2. What makes a good profile, what makes it not look spammy?
    Nothing. The only things that go in my profiles are my links.

    Originally Posted by ThePassiveIncomeBlog View Post

    3. What are your rules for a signature? How many links? Additional text? To your money site, or elsewhere?
    No more than 3 links, usually only 2. Always to my money pages. No additional text.

    Originally Posted by ThePassiveIncomeBlog View Post

    4. How many posts should you be posting a day? How much is too much/too little?
    I'm not sure what you mean by this. You shouldn't post on the forums you leave your links if you don't want your profiles getting deleted.

    If you're referring to how many profiles should you be creating, the answer is many as you can.

    Originally Posted by ThePassiveIncomeBlog View Post

    5. When do you typically start seeing results?
    It's impossible to say as every keyword is different. You could see results in a few days with keywords that have very little competition or it might take a few months with harder keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author webeserve
    It is all depend on the forums and the activity, in some forums you start seeing results from the first post you add.
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  • thanks guys! awesome posts so far, please keep advice, and experience coming!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rysk
    I'm a newbie so this thread is of interest to me:

    - So when it comes to forums there are the profiles themselves which you make when you register, and then the signatures when you make a post?
    - So the forum profiles themselves are indexed by Google? Are they public and therefore counted as a backlink?
    - PatJackson says
    ''I'm not sure what you mean by this. You shouldn't post on the forums you leave your links if you don't want your profiles getting deleted.''
    I don't get this, you mean after creating a profile you shouldn't then make a post? Why is this?
    -FlashTDrive says
    ''I have done some forum signature backlink campaigns in the past, but not a whole not because the harvest is usually not as good as with profile links. Many forum admins erase the signature links, even when theyre done discretely.''
    So, you're better off just registering on a forum, creating a profile and moving on, as most forum administrators delete signature links from posts, suspecting them of being spam UNLESS you make a huge amount of effort with your post?

    Thanks...
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      Originally Posted by Rysk View Post

      - PatJackson says
      ''I'm not sure what you mean by this. You shouldn't post on the forums you leave your links if you don't want your profiles getting deleted.''
      I don't get this, you mean after creating a profile you shouldn't then make a post? Why is this?
      When I create a profile I don't want to draw any attention to it. I don't want anyone to see it other than search engine bots.

      By posting on these forums you're drawing attention to your signature and you're almost always going to get it deleted.

      Additionally, at the moment I'm creating about 300 profiles a day - I definitely don't have time to create a post that would add value to each forum.

      There is nothing to gain from making posts on these forums. We are there to gain backlinks, not to gain traffic.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rysk
        Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

        When I create a profile I don't want to draw any attention to it. I don't want anyone to see it other than search engine bots.

        By posting on these forums you're drawing attention to your signature and you're almost always going to get it deleted.

        Additionally, at the moment I'm creating about 300 profiles a day - I definitely don't have time to create a post that would add value to each forum.

        There is nothing to gain from making posts on these forums. We are there to gain backlinks, not to gain traffic.
        So that answers my other question, that the profiles themselves give link juice. I'm a newbie, i didn't know this.

        But with profiles don't you just get your site as an inbound link, whereas with signatures in the actual comment you also get the anchortext with the KW you are targeting?

        If i understand right, you are going for quantity over quality, as many profiles as possible, whereas if you actually go and spend time commenting you may end up having your entire account deleted, but some comments may stick, and then you've got the inbound link + KW targeting from the anchor text.

        Are these two separate approaches to forum link building?
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        • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
          Originally Posted by Rysk View Post

          So that answers my other question, that the profiles themselves give link juice. I'm a newbie, i didn't know this.

          But with profiles don't you just get your site as an inbound link, whereas with signatures in the actual comment you also get the anchortext with the KW you are targeting?

          If i understand right, you are going for quantity over quality, as many profiles as possible, whereas if you actually go and spend time commenting you may end up having your entire account deleted, but some comments may stick, and then you've got the inbound link + KW targeting from the anchor text.

          Are these two separate approaches to forum link building?
          On some forum platforms your signature is publicly viewable in your profile without you making any posts so you do still get anchor text links.

          In others they have a "bio" section where you can create an anchor text link and have it publicly viewable without having to make any posts.

          If I can't get an anchor text link that is publicly viewable without making any posts then I'm not creating a profile there.

          When it comes to profile backlink building, yes, we are going after quantity.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rysk
            Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

            On some forum platforms your signature is publicly viewable in your profile without you making any posts so you do still get anchor text links.

            In others they have a "bio" section where you can create an anchor text link and have it publicly viewable without having to make any posts.

            If I can't get an anchor text link that is publicly viewable without making any posts then I'm not creating a profile there.

            When it comes to profile backlink building, yes, we are going after quantity.
            Great stuff, how can you tell though if the forum allows i) publicly viewable signature in profile? ii) publicly viewable 'bio' section?

            So, you never actually post on the forums themselves?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post


            When it comes to profile backlink building, yes, we are going after quantity.

            Thats one approach but thats not everyones. Many of us do recognize quality. In fact among SEOs there are few that would make that argument (although it is more popular among strictly IMers). NEVER participating on a forum and always just wanting the backlink and nothing else isn't universal either . I don't believe 300 profile backlinks is sustainable with out bots and its unnecessary unless you are going after an ultra competitive term but thats not what a newbie (or anyone I know) should be doing. The foundation of great SEO marketing for most starts with good keyword research.

            300 a day for weeks or months without ever participating on any site is spam - pure and simple. In my extensive research on backlink profile sites I have come across forum admins that identify such serial posters/spammers record the domain, report the site to the host and register spam complaints.

            Why risk this when there are THOUSANDS of great lower competitive terms? the equivalent of 2000 backlinks (over reasonable amount of time) gets you ranked nicely for all kinds of keywords properly researched without automated spam bots. Frankly that kind of approach is what I fear will eventually lead to Google and other engines deciding to discount say vbulletin forum profiles entirely or the next versions of these forum applications making nofollow as standard in the profile sections.

            This approach has led to so much that was available now being nofollowed so it doesn't take much to see where forum links could end up being zapped as well. Lets not hold that up as a model for newbies.
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            • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
              Originally Posted by Rysk View Post

              Great stuff, how can you tell though if the forum allows i) publicly viewable signature in profile? ii) publicly viewable 'bio' section?

              So, you never actually post on the forums themselves?
              Simple. Go to the site and look at other peoples profiles when you're not logged in and see if there signature/profile is viewable.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Thats one approach but thats not everyones. Many of us do recognize quality. In fact among SEOs there are few that would make that argument (although it is more popular among strictly IMers). NEVER participating on a forum and always just wanting the backlink and nothing else isn't universal either . I don't believe 300 profile backlinks is sustainable with out bots and its unnecessary unless you are going after an ultra competitive term but thats not what a newbie (or anyone I know) should be doing. The foundation of great SEO marketing for most starts with good keyword research.

              300 a day for weeks or months without ever participating on any site is spam - pure and simple. In my extensive research on backlink profile sites I have come across forum admins that identify such serial posters/spammers record the domain, report the site to the host and register spam complaints.
              Firstly, if 300 a day is spam then so is one a day. It makes absolutely no difference. I'm not creating 300 profiles every day at the same sites. I have a list of 10,000+ forums where I can get my links from. Even if I was to sustain this pace for a whole year (Which I won't) I would be creating 10-12 max profiles at each site over a year.

              You're making statements without knowing any facts. Where did I stipulate that I was creating 300 profiles a day pointing at the one site and for one keyword?

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Why risk this when there are THOUSANDS of great lower competitive terms? the equivalent of 2000 backlinks (over reasonable amount of time) gets you ranked nicely for all kinds of keywords properly researched without automated spam bots. Frankly that kind of approach is what I fear will eventually lead to Google and other engines deciding to discount say vbulletin forum profiles entirely or the next versions of these forum applications making nofollow as standard in the profile sections.

              This approach has led to so much that was available now being nofollowed so it doesn't take much to see where forum links could end up being zapped as well. Lets not hold that up as a model for newbies.
              Again, I'm not creating 300 profiles for one keyword. I have 20 sites targeting about 250 keywords so it works fine.

              Also, lol at the "automated spam bots" remark. So if you create profiles at websites manually and fill out your profiles for backlinks, that's not spam, but if I do it with automated tools that makes it spam? That's hilarious.

              For the record, anyway, I don't create them all automatically. I create about 100/day with a bot and 150-200 a day manually.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

                Firstly, if 300 a day is spam then so is one a day. It makes absolutely no difference.
                Sure it does. The bulk aspect of email for example was always what email spam was about. Doing 300 a day can only be sustained with full automated tools so there is no chance for participation. The idea behind profile links is that its for human beings not for bots. Once you take the hands off the wheel completely and claim that you should never participate then even by my low standards you are in spamming territory

                Even if I was to sustain this pace for a whole year (Which I won't) I would be creating 10-12 max profiles at each site over a year.
                Pat the forum admins I have seen complain have compared notes with other forum admins. I wasn't talking about multiple posts on the same forum. Funny though that you don't think that making 10-12 different profiles on the same site as passing some threshold especially since having more than one profile is frowned upon by most forum owners. Bottom line is that a newbie doesn't have to push the envelope until there are notices about his domain and business at forums. Its not necessary for them even if it may be for you.

                . Where did I stipulate that I was creating 300 profiles a day pointing at the one site and for one keyword?
                In fairness. True but considering that the OP has asked how many backlinks and you are stating "as many as you can" and all that is needed is "quantity" Come on. Do we really believe a newbie has 20 sites? The take away for a noob in this context is 300 for my site is fine. simple

                Also, lol at the "automated spam bots" remark. So if you create profiles at websites manually and fill out your profiles for backlinks, that's not spam, but if I do it with automated tools that makes it spam? That's hilarious.
                Only because you choose to ignore what the profile links are meant for. I find it drop down hilarious that you think that a bot is a real user. look I understand what you do and I don't really care. The only reason why I knock down some of that is because as someone who defends profile linking as not being spam (but a privilege a web master allows for real human users) your approach of NEVER participating, using bots and mass linking fits perfectly into the stereotype of those who call profile linking spam. The more people who do that with automated tools on forums , blogs and social networks as you are instructing the more upset people will become and then some idiots in Washington can expand spam laws to that kind of posting on websites and its game over.

                I'm hearing some of the same annoyance complaints from people running blogs (and everyone seems to have one) about moderating comments as I did about email back in the day and that led to email spam becoming illegal and punishable in a court of law.

                Secondly using your approach you don't even get time to see sites and forums where some networking would do you well. To you its leave a backlink, put up as many as you can and run - NEVER participate You said it not me so its not about me not knowing the facts.
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                • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
                  Mike, honestly, I'm sick of arguing with you.

                  In just about every thread you post in you make blanket statements and I find most of which you post just plain ridiculous.

                  I'm done with this. I'm not going to waste anymore time on you.

                  Welcome to my ignore list.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

                    I'm done with this. I'm not going to waste anymore time on you.
                    I'm fine with that Pat. Its a totally expected response and hadn't mean to take it any further anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander CPA
    1. What is your exact method with forum link building?

    Find a forum to register on, register a profile, set up the profile, make a few posts, leave the account.

    2. What makes a good profile, what makes it not look spammy?
    Having as much profile data as possible, having a number of posts.

    3. What are your rules for a signature? How many links? Additional text? To your money site, or elsewhere?
    Go with the forum rules, some forums don't care, others do.

    4. How many posts should you be posting a day? How much is too much/too little?
    Per forum? I'd suggest 10-15 posts, then just ditch the account.

    5. When do you typically start seeing results?
    Depending on the scale of accounts created, a few days.
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  • 1. What is your exact method with forum link building?

    Ans - Post only quality posts and do not always try to enter threads which are already answered correctly as you are not read much by the thread owner. Just post as much good and relevant and researched as you can.

    2. What makes a good profile, what makes it not look spammy? - Only fill fields with what is correct. Fill as much fields you can.

    3. What are your rules for a signature? How many links? Additional text? To your money site, or elsewhere?
    Ans- As much links a forum can allow, you should take advantage of all that. I don't put additional text as i don't require it. If you want you can insert text in the signature.


    4. How many posts should you be posting a day? How much is too much/too little?
    Ans - I only post in quality forums with 20posts/ per day in each of them. I think this is quite good.


    5. When do you typically start seeing results?
    Ans - I see the results daily. Not only i post in forums to get backlink and traffic but also to gain huge knowledge. So i gain daily


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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    My answers to your questions

    1. What is your exact method with forum link building?

    Number one thing is that you not do forum backlinking in isolation. You should have other links mixed in as well. . A link portfolio with one kind of backlink is dangerous because it is easily identifiable and in the case of forum footprints it has the potential to be easily discounted in future versions of the software (that happened with an application called kickapps I believe) or in future changes to Google's algorithm. Plus a mix always looks more natural should your site ever come under review.

    Besides that its pretty straightforward. Some people create the account and let it sit for awhile before they put the link. I don't see anything wrong with finding sites you can participate on and actually participating. Now if you are going to participate then create the link first and put some posts under your belt and then add the link later. If you do it one shot then yes you are notifying the whole board you are there and just want to drop a link (unless the link relates to the forum)


    The idea that you should never comment or become involved on a site because you just want the backlink and nothing else is a spam attitude. I wouldn't rule out participating on a site I use for backlinking




    2. What makes a good profile, what makes it not look spammy?

    Showing no interest in the site. really Thats the usual criteria a forum owner who doesn't want links left will take. The other thing is the keywords itself - eg Viagra is going to be seen as spam on site


    3. What are your rules for a signature? How many links? Additional text? To your money site, or elsewhere?

    I recommend no more than two or three. In my experience five and six SCREAMS spam. Like I said above showing interest in the site in the additional text is good provided its honest.

    4. How many posts should you be posting a day? How much is too much/too little?

    If you are talking about writing posts in a single forum you really don't have to post much (don't put your link in the post itself) but If as I think you might be asking you are referring on how many links to be used per day there are no hard and fast rule. However I think people need to realize SEO is a long term strategy. Theres beens ome talk and anecdotl evidence that overdoing it can get you "sandboxed" in Google but I haven't seen anything that confirms it. I just don't see why I have to even test it. I don't need to blast a thousand links in a week fr a site I am building for income for years to come. Why risk it?.

    5. When do you typically start seeing results?
    Baring in mind that I mix my links - forums, profiles sometimes article social networking etc. I usually see the results in about a week. Quality matters. My most recent experiment took a new domain to the first page in just 30 links (but again not all forum) ona fairly compettive term.

    Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author DASHBOY
    Hey,

    I am sure that forums posting is one of the best way to get more traffic to your site (direct hits or hits via search engines). It is the best to choose your niche related forums and be active member on that forum, which will give you bunch of quality backlinks via signature as well as direct hits too. When you select forums make sure that, it is an active forum.

    Regarding, Signature links - It is better to have links with some attractive text. Also, always do not publish more links on your profile, make is shorter. Also, do not include more links in your signature too.

    I follow all the ways which I had stated above and getting decent traffic too. :p
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