SEO Link Dominator or Sick Marketing Profile Builder?

14 years ago

I use SEOLD myself. I would not want to pay a monthly fee for a software to do links when I could just as easily outsource it for near the same price.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Although I use a Roboform integration in my backlinking I would have to say SEO Link Dominator . I really don't see the thrill in paying that amount of money each month for 30 backlinks each month.
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Scripteen

14 years ago

Sick profile maker is good. It is pretty damn fast and the developers are actively working on it. Their coming version is promised to have ability for everyone to make his custom set of websites that you can use to place your backlinks on. The monthly fee is a peanut compared to the value you can get from it.

A sick profile maker happy user.

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J. David Rogers

14 years ago

I've also been using Sick Profile Maker for the past few weeks and have to say I'm impressed. Their new version due out towards the end of the week is supposed to have some incredibly useful features.

The one thing I like most about it is that once it's setup, it's really a "set it and forget it" application. You can literally walk away from the computer and it will chug through a list of sites, registering, confirming emails, placing links, pinging profile pages. It's pretty incredible stuff.

As Scripteen also said, the new version comes with a toolkit editor to add new custom sites. I'd expect there to be a lot of people developing and selling/swapping site lists, which adds further to the usefulness of the program.

The ability to drop in multiple lists of sites developed by all sorts of different people from all over the place is a really compelling feature. Add that to its ability to run through those lists almost completely unattended and it's a really strong product.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by J. David Rogers

As Scripteen also said, the new version comes with a toolkit editor to add new custom sites. I'd expect there to be a lot of people developing and selling/swapping site lists, which adds further to the usefulness of the program.

You really think thats good don't you? adds to the usefulness? not even close and not for long. Sorry this is precisely why I am moving away from providing these kinds of programs.

First if I read right lots of people are having issue with the Captcha feature "its not set and forget" for them and if you understand captcha breaking it will never be. Second and most importantly what do people complain about the most with profile linking of Angela's?

That it gotten over run with too many users and spammers resulting in the links getting deleted. These deleted links become the opposite of further usefulness

- they become utterly useless

Now what happens when you have list providers plugging their text, csv or pdf files into a totally automated bot in this one big proposed Sick profile list market place? LOL.

What do you think will happen? Right now people doing Angela's links manually have gotten links shut down. What happens when thousands of people ( or even hundreds greedily running the same sites over for scores of sites or clients) get up each morning - "set and forget" their backlinking with these various lists running for hours or even all day?

Basic common sense. they will get shut down by even more webmasters. Frankly if these kinds of programs became mainstream you could see webmasters shutting down MOST of these sites or similar to email spam making the practice illegal. Plus business wise it doesn't make sense.

When are people going to get it? Sure you can make life easier but the moment you make it too easy business becomes useless because too many people (especially people who have no scruples or commitment ) doing the same thing ends up wrecking anything.

So could I join this approach? But of course. Could probably make some money joining up with Sick. But its flawed and won't do my customers any good long term.

We got to learn to think ahead. We end up destroying good things when we allow people to appeal to our relative laziness. Would I like if I could rank for a site by pushing a button? Sure. I'm as lazy and want it easy as the enxt guy. I'd love it right up to the point when I see my competitor reaching for the same button and the 9 year old across the street unwrapping his with another button being used by my dog aand then I'd hate it and want it to die when most of the pople on my block begin to use the same button.

Good business should always take some work or everyone lying on a couch would be in it or doing it while they are at work on autopilot. You can get a job at Mac Ds or BK fairly easily. Thats also why it doesn't pay good money. If these systems get popular enough you will need tens of thousands of links to rank for anything and Google will get sick of it and take action.

So if anything people who are using these programs should be quiet about it not evangelizing their use.

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Scripteen

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

First if I read right lots of people are having issue with the Captcha feature "its not set and forget" for them and if you understand captcha breaking it will never be. Second and most importantly what do people complain about the most with profile linking of Angela's?

Sick profile maker doesn't break captcha and never claimed to. it pops it up for the user input. If a human can't read captcha properly then it's his problem not the application problem.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Scripteen

Sick profile maker doesn't break captcha and never claimed to. it pops it up for the user input. If a human can't read captcha properly then it's his problem not the application problem.

Sick profile advertises it to be used with a captcha service . Fact. You can check their home page. In the thread I saw a few people said they didn't get it to work. If they even work that out or have already it still doesn't speak to my main point.

The mass use of such fully automated tools inevitably and logically lead to links being deleted on many profile sites if its s "set and forget" tool.

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Scripteen

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sick profile advertises it to be used with a captcha service . Fact. You can check their home page. In the thread I saw a few people said they didn't get it to work. If they even work that out or have already it still doesn't speak to my main point.

The mass use of such fully automated tools inevitably and logically lead to links being deleted on many profile sites if its s "set and forget" tool.

You are taking the conversation to a curve. Sick has nothing to do if decaptcher workers are not entering captchas properly (as I tried with different softwares before) so I prefer manual entering myself and it's not that bad specially that not all websites require captcha entry.

For spammers abusing the software, this can happen with any automation software. It even happen with any other product. like cell phone. If some people are abusing something then this doesn't mean that this thing is no good.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Scripteen

For spammers abusing the software, this can happen with any automation software. It even happen with any other product. like cell phone. If some people are abusing something then this doesn't mean that this thing is no good.

A bot that makes sales phone calls would be a bad thing (and there are now laws about that as well). Total cheap automation is flawed for backlinking. I'm not taking the conversation anywhere it hasn't been. Read the thread. I was not the one that stated it was "set and forget".

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VladWorks

14 years ago

Hmm.....Is it really set it and forget it? with Sick media....I would easily pay the monthly fee if it would chug along as I am out of the home office....Heck I would put in a new computer justto run it all the time.

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J. David Rogers

14 years ago

Interesting points raised on both sides that of course can be applied to any tool for automation.

Mike, your comment about the likely dilution of the standard lists is valid. It's why I don't bother with Angela's or Paul's lists anymore. It takes either time or money to get your profile links entered, and a significant number of them don't survive.

It's also true that any captcha breaking service is not going to work 100%. Having used Decaptcher for a while, I just chalk that up to part of the process, and resubmit failures. For me it's worth paying the small amount per captcha to be able to focus on other parts of my business while the tool is working.

To your point, though, for anyone with initiative and a little creativity, Profile Maker strikes me as a tool with enormous potential. For example, there's no stopping forward thinking list builders from limiting the distribution of their lists, much like some of the premium services do now, and charging more for them as a result.

There's also no stopping someone like me from developing his own lists only for his own private use, either by doing it myself or outsourcing the work. After all, finding these type sites is not exactly rocket science. For me, it's the toolkit support in Profile Maker--and the fact that Sick Marketing has staff to maintain the application--that makes the whole thing scalable.

In the past weeks and month, I've used a combination of iMacros and Roboform to accomplish a lot of what Profile Maker performs. As a result, I speak with a bit of experience as to what's involved in automating the process successfully. It's the also the reason why when I first tried the application, I was genuinely impressed.

As I said initially, though, your concerns about the dilution of the lists is absolutely spot on. But as in every efficient market, I would be surprised if a number of enterprising individuals didn't find a way to meet the demand for higher value/lower distribution lists at a price that makes it profitable for them to do so.

Just my thoughts...

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by J. David Rogers

To your point, though, for anyone with initiative and a little creativity, Profile Maker strikes me as a tool with enormous potential. For example, there's no stopping forward thinking list builders from limiting the distribution of their lists, much like some of the premium services do now, and charging more for them as a result.

Well I will have to see the implementation of that but I can tell you I was for awhile listed as a provider on SEOLD. Basically I had to provide a CSV file for it to work with my list. Thats pretty much how Sick is going to have to provide for several lists. they will have to set their software to read standard files and once they do game over. Once you do that you can no longer control how many times the files are copied. I did at first provide a list to SEOLD but then I realized that it compromised the entire system. Anyone selling a limited list cannot provide it like that or it will be distributed all over the place. However I do see people who claim their service is limited doing just that. People sometimes just don't know any better or don't care.

In the past weeks and month, I've used a combination of iMacros and Roboform to accomplish a lot of what Profile Maker performs. As a result, I speak with a bit of experience as to what's involved in automating the process successfully.

Same here but I really like Winautomation. Its pricey for the average user but really easy to use. However I found that Roboform for free does a GREAT job filling out forms and placing backlinks ( probably the best at actual filling but no captcha work around or it would be totally automated with its downside). The only thing it doesn't do is launch the sites so I provide that function (pretty easy to do).

For doing your own backlinks its the preferred way because when I find a site I don't have to stop, copy and paste it then load it to another program (very laborious). I just click the browser bar for Roboform and I'm good to go. No need to buy anything and its even faster for links you find on your own.

Now is it set and forget? No it will take about a minute or two for each link but I really don't see how you will ever stop people from abusing the junk out of cheap fully automated setups with third party lists. Welcome to Angela backlinks world is what I see if this gets popular.

Thanks for not taking it personal. Sometimes I realize I can be too blunt with what I see as the wrong way of doing things. Stand up of you not to take it personally.

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idevelop

14 years ago

I am a new user of sick submitter and for the money its the best thing I have ever used.
It is SET AND FORGET - all you do is add your decaptcher info and go to bed.. easy! brilliant tool!