XRumer? Why is there such a bad opinion of it

14 years ago

There is no difference. The only difference is Xrumer can make 100,000 forum profiles and posts in one sitting, so it is simply forum backlink building on a massive scale.

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Gary Becks

14 years ago

Might be the price of it that doesn't sit well with people? It is pretty darned expensive!

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Dan B Rusu

14 years ago

There are people offering the service for $60 or so - not bad at all for 10000 profiles. Can google track this - ie does it leave a large footprint behind?

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Gary Becks

14 years ago

Anything that is totally automated the way that XRumer is will leave a footprint to some extent. I am not to knowledgeable about the tool as I have never used it but I would be really interested in experimenting with it. If you give it a try I would love to here your opinion on it.

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Dan B Rusu

14 years ago

I researched a few sites that had done xrumer and their rankings. Although yahoo shows 20k+ links to the site, many with the keyword they're targeting, they arent ranking in google 200 for that keyword. Looks like xrumer isnt worth it.

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ElMundodelExito

14 years ago

X rumer is a very powerful tool but pleople do not know how to use it. Since they abuse it they get penalized.

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Marko Vel 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ElMundodelExito

X rumer is a very powerful tool but pleople do not know how to use it. Since they abuse it they get penalized.

I just want to say the same thing like you did.
For me xrumer is the absolutely king of such software's, but of course if you use properly like anything else.
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kkchoon

14 years ago

Try to stay away from general XRumer service when your site is new; Always use web 2.0 properties for the job, unless your site has already received enough "trust" rank.

I never had much success with XRumer service, even in black hat forum, there is an expert claim to know the best way for the job, it just don't seems to work well for me. May be we should try to use the software ourselves, at least we have more control over it! Just the cost of dedicated hosting will not be cheap.

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halfpoint 14 years ago

I think the main reason many people are against it is because it can do so much more than profile linking.

It can send some serious spam in the likes of creating threads at forums, creating other accounts to respond to threads that you've created, etc.

You could use it to start threads at different forums and then make other accounts to go in and respond to the threads you started. You could end up having conversations with yourself over 100's of different accounts at 1000's of different forums.

In that regard, it can be used for some pretty heavy spam.

With that said, though, every automation tool can be used to spam if not used appropriately.

If used in the right manner, it would be just another solid automation tool.

I haven't used it before, but if I ever did it would be solely for the profile linking. I would never create accounts and post in forums with it.
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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I never had much success with XRumer service, even in black hat forum, there is an expert claim to know the best way for the job, it just don't seems to work well for me.

Yo KKchoon. Haven't seen you to much around bro. We were going to do an experiment with non anchor text for Dburk last year but I guess we both have been busy.

Okay heres why I think xrumer doesn't do well for people.

First - Embion is bang on the money. If you submit to that many sites in a small time you ALWAYS leave a footprint even when you can't see it yourself. think about it. Write a note to 10,000 people and I am SURE you will repeat yourself in whole or in part. You'll develop a pattern that smart people and smart algorithms can detect if they want to. spinning doesn't cut out that pattern

Second - You aren't really doing anything but starting an "arms race". the key to backlinking is not just getting backlinks that anyone can get. These are just the first steps that you need to get ranked and noticed (and make some money). To stay on top you have to get links that can't be got by bots because if you get top rank on bot submissions you have to hope that your competitor doesn't notice how you cut his income and outdo you again in even more auto spam links of his own. Rinse and repeat to infinity.

Third Google gets around to all things spam that they can trace. The standard argument that mass backlinking can NEVER hurt you is that you could bring your competitors sites down. Theres some truth to that but its missing a key fact. Your competitor already has rank, some authority and backlinks without the spammy links you could add to him. That may well preserve him but it won't a new site and that may well like you noted have a bad effect on new sites.

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E-supreme

14 years ago

Google are bound to change their algo soon enough to make forum links nearly irrelevant. However, the likes of vbulleten etc have beaten them to it. Forum links will soon become a thing of the past..so don't just depend on them.

The key to seo is consistency and variety of links. I am seeing press releases becoming an awesome source of backlinks which Google seems to really hold value to.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

I highly doubt that forums links will become irrelevant. Are you telling me that a link from ...say the Warrior forum is gonna be irrelevant or are you saying "forum links are irrelevant cuz vbulletin latest version will make nofollow profile links

Shh on Vbulletin 4 news or they'll hear you and start another flame war because that secret is now out

But seriously Daniel is right . Forum links will stay around because some sites are fine with them. Its the sites that never wanted them to begin with that will have links starting disappearing and thats still a good chunk of them but not all.

look all forum and straight profile links should be a temporary and then backup strategy. get yourself ranked and noticed and then become a real presence in your niche and get natural backlinks. Not links you have to place forever yourself.

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Vikram73

14 years ago

People don't understand how to use XRumer. You have to build the links naturally - as if though all this traffic was coming to you in a very natural organic way (people love what you have and are linking to it).

You should also use proxies.

XRUmer can do this but it is time consuming and there's a learning curve. You might even want to look into VPS hosting for your XRumer so it can just crank stuff out 24x7.

I've played around with XRumer & SENuke - I see the value but it's not for me. Too much effort. It's cheaper IMO to buy ads on ad networks (Stumble Upon is currently $.05) then it is to pay the subcription costs or upfront costs of services like this.

Think about it - let's say XRumer is $500 - you can get 10,000 targetted visitors right now from Stumble Upon (.05 on a $500 budget).

These are people who knowingly clicked an ad versus some guy who is just randomly surfing around through organic search engine listings.

People know what ads are - and people who like to click on ads are more likely to buy stuff IMO.

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Dan B Rusu

14 years ago

Thanks for the input everyone. My general thought is that it's not the profile links that are "at fault", but the fake that it leaves such a big footprint that screams spam out to google. What if you were able to use proxies and slow the process down, say build 100 profiles with anchor once a week for 10 weeks. That'd give you 1000 backlinks (- the profiles that get deleted) and look much more natural.

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searchnology

14 years ago

Once fallacy of thinking with mass backlink building is that Google will discover your backlinks magically all at once. It will take months for Google to crawl and discover most of your backlinks from Xrumer. (If Google finds them at all)

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

Thanks for the input everyone. My general thought is that it's not the profile links that are "at fault", but the fake that it leaves such a big footprint that screams spam out to google. What if you were able to use proxies and slow the process down, say build 100 profiles with anchor once a week for 10 weeks. That'd give you 1000 backlinks (- the profiles that get deleted) and look much more natural.

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jaysteven84

14 years ago

everyone talk that xrumer leave a footprints but I'm pretty sure you will leave same footprints if you will manually build 1000 profile backlinks. With xrumer i can rotate everything and as much as i want. For example last campaign I built was 10K profiles I used 3 batches of SEO words which was in signature every batch of seo words was ~500 words so as you see 500x500x500 i can make easily 125 million unique signatures. Also variation for all profile fields like variation of hundreds of cities variation of countries variations of interests anchor texts etc etc also every username was unique. You can make literally millions of variations super easy just put words of variations in one text file and soft will choose every time random word. There is literally no footprints for my profiles. But I doubt that it would be possible if I have done that manually.

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MarkAse

14 years ago

Well, I have a blog that gets hit by it, so my opinion is slightly clouded by the fact that I'll sometimes wake up to 100+ complete junk links that have been left.

Personally, given a month or so of work it seems possible to rank for most keywords without going blackhat, so why take the chance that Google will be able to trace your software?

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Andrew S 14 years ago

Anyone who Xrumer's their main money site is not too smart.

This kind of tool is more for people who think outside the box.
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Fraggler

14 years ago

Xrumer is great for forming the 'base of your pyramid'. Use it in conjunction with a tool such as Link Farm Evolution or your article network and you can turn your quality backlinks into something a little more special. It is a lot easier to recover from a banned web 2.0 property than your main domain.

It really isn't that expensive if you are already making money from IM. It probably isn't a wise choice for someone still learning though. Once you know that you need it, then you will get the most out of it.

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silent_thunder 14 years ago

Xrumer is not just about Backlinks..

As any weapon or tool the full potential can only be achieved in the right hands..The people who use the tool are important.

Xrumer is not just for forums..it can be trained to post in anything which had fields for registration..

The story of fox and sour grapes comes to mind...when people complain about this tool
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MagicMike111

14 years ago

Xrumer is VERY effective in my opinion... have been using it for a long time to create forum profiles only... not to spam the actual forums themselves.

Maintaining "natural" link building with Xrumer, Scrapebox, or any other automation tool simply means to "not trigger the Google filters". It doesn't mean "technically natural".

The goal of modern SEO is to "mimic" what a naturally popular site would like like. They would have links from a large variety of sources... so while Xrumer is very powerful, it should be used as part of an overall link building strategy and not the sole link building strategy.

While I think there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that Google WILL NOT penalize you for off-page optimization (since anyone can build links to anyone elses site), it doesn't mean they won't "discount" those links and make your efforts worthless. This is where a good understanding of automated back links and linking principle are important... when you're dealing with large numbers of links, it is best to have them done in correct proportion.

Also, it is not as easy as we think to wake up Google and get their attention with link building. There are tens of thousands of sites TODAY that have gotten many thousands of links built to them... because they are truly popular. It is VERY difficult, even for the magical Mr. Google, to decide which sites are truly popular and which are not. You can build a lot of links, before you're even noticed.

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cbpayne 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MagicMike111

Xrumer is VERY effective in my opinion... have been using it for a long time to create forum profiles only... not to spam the actual forums themselves. .

BUT, what you are doing is spam!! Just ask the forum owners who's properties that you are abusing.
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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

And this 6 month old thread was revived why?

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TheAdsenseGuy

14 years ago

There is really no reason to buy Xrumer when you can use a monthly service for it. Have you heard of Drip Feed Blasts.com?

I guess you get 500 forum profile links per day and it costs $50/Month. Way better than spending $500 for a complicated piece of software like xrumer.

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Tom Goodwin 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheAdsenseGuy

There is really no reason to buy Xrumer when you can use a monthly service for it.

That seems pretty naive. Perhaps they have a use for lots of profiles a month? Perhaps they want to sell xrumer blasts themselves? Perhaps they have their own SEO service? The list goes on and on. It pays for itself pretty quickly.
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Rukshan

14 years ago

Xrumer likes a knife. You could use a knife to kill people or cut fruits. Before buying xrumer, we must plan the budget to buy software($550), bullet proof hosting($300/month) and proxies($30/month). Otherwise you will not get a result.
Personally i'm getting a service from a site who gives xrumer service as monthly basis. So far I got a nice result.

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Cataclysm1987 14 years ago

I use drip feed blasts for XRumer backlink building.

As others have said, do not point it directly at a site until you have an aged domain name and tons of white hat back links, otherwise it can get de indexed.

I always point it at Web 2.0 properties such as blogs, article directories and what not.

I find it to work quite well in conjunction with Unique Article Wizard.

Definitely worth it if you can get it to work on your own server. If not, use drip feed blasts to get the service for ridiculously cheap.
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Tom Goodwin 14 years ago

Originally Posted by blog8491

You could use a knife to kill people or cut fruits.

I think I might have to make a line of t-shirts with that slogan on it
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- blue_sky 14 years ago
  
  I 've heard that if you use xrumer Google might force you to pose naked on street view (which even could lead to more traffic if you are good looking female)
  
  but that could be just one of those internet rumours..
  
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