Does Google punish sites that build 1000s of backlinks automatically?

14 years ago

If Google punished sites for getting too many backlinks then you could easily knock off your competition by getting back links to their sites.

Google is smart enough to know this so they wouldn't punish you, but the more important question is whether or not the backlinks have any "value" and will be helpful to your site.

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Thomas 14 years ago

Originally Posted by cashcow

If Google punished sites for getting too many backlinks then you could easily knock off your competition by getting back links to their sites.

I was going to say the same. If rapid backlinking gets your site in trouble, would many people not be backlinking the bejaysus out of their competitors?
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- Thomas 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Thomas
  
  I was going to say the same. If rapid backlinking gets your site in trouble, would many people not be backlinking the bejaysus out of their competitors?
  
  Mmmm... that's not a bad idea.
  
  I'm going to change my mind: Rapid backlinking hurts your site! So, if any of my competitors want to damage me, backlink away!
  
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  paulgl 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Thomas
  
  Mmmm... that's not a bad idea.
  
  I'm going to change my mind: Rapid backlinking hurts your site! So, if any of my competitors want to damage me, backlink away!
  
  hey Thomas, I only hang out in this part of the forum and rarely see you!
  
  If everyone put a little logic in these questions, they would come to
  the same logical conclusions. But, sadly, logic and common sense
  get buried by feelings.
  
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- skatir 14 years ago
  
  There will be no punish , but there value will be less counted if they all came in the same day it's not naturally if you have small website or just starting.
  
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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Sandboxing may or may not exist, but it's not a punishment for too many backlinks, too quickly. If it were a form of punishment, it would be levied for offenses the page owner could control (keyword stuffing, invisible text, cloaking, etc.).

As Lee said, if that were the case, one could simply Google bomb a competitor's site.

The more likely scenario is that the ranking algorithm accounts for unnatural activity, or activity that fits its footprint of people trying to game the system, and ignores it.

On the other hand, given the sheer mental power Google hires every year, you have to assume that they are aware that automation tools can be used properly.

I don't have the data to back it up, but I do think some links are fine to acquire in bunches and that doing so would be natural given the availability of the tools to do so.

For example, take submitting to directories. If there are huge numbers of directories out there (and there are) and tools to submit to them (check), it would be only natural for a new site to submit to as many as possible.

On the other hand, for thousands of user profiles on widely diverse sites to suddenly appear and link to a particular new site unrelated to the profile site seems kind of fishy...

As far as the question you posed to the seller, did you really expect a different answer?

"Hi, I'm thinking of giving you my money. If I do, will it harm my business?"

"Why, yes it will. But you should buy it anyway because I need the money..."

That exchange is never going to happen.

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All Night Cafe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Sandboxing may or may not exist, but it's not a punishment for too many backlinks, too quickly. If it were a form of punishment, it would be levied for offenses the page owner could control (keyword stuffing, invisible text, cloaking, etc.).

As Lee said, if that were the case, one could simply Google bomb a competitor's site.

The more likely scenario is that the ranking algorithm accounts for unnatural activity, or activity that fits its footprint of people trying to game the system, and ignores it.

On the other hand, given the sheer mental power Google hires every year, you have to assume that they are aware that automation tools can be used properly.

I don't have the data to back it up, but I do think some links are fine to acquire in bunches and that doing so would be natural given the availability of the tools to do so.

For example, take submitting to directories. If there are huge numbers of directories out there (and there are) and tools to submit to them (check), it would be only natural for a new site to submit to as many as possible.

On the other hand, for thousands of user profiles on widely diverse sites to suddenly appear and link to a particular new site unrelated to the profile site seems kind of fishy...

As far as the question you posed to the seller, did you really expect a different answer?

"Hi, I'm thinking of giving you my money. If I do, will it harm my business?"

"Why, yes it will. But you should buy it anyway because I need the money..."

That exchange is never going to happen.

I think John has provided the best answer to this question.

Reread it and you'll see why.

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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

I don't know that they "punish" sites for it, but they certainly won't weigh those backlinks as heavily as those that are placed more organically.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Ouch, not this question again.

If you're site was featured as a press release globally by hundreds or thousands of various news sites, and they all listed your web address - why would G punish you for this?

The answer is NO.

However, from what Ive *heard* automating backlinks (if thats what you intend to do) *can* be a risky business, and one that I wouldnt want to get involved in.

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coolice

14 years ago

You shouldn't build them instantly or you will get in the sandbox - no doubt about it. What you can do is submit 10-20 backlinks and let it built overtime. Don't expect results as you need to wait at least for a month to get better ranking. I could send you a few useful High PR Backlinks if you want which I bet would be far better than those 1000s of yours.

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by coolice

You shouldn't build them instantly or you will get in the sandbox - no doubt about it. What you can do is submit 10-20 backlinks and let it built overtime. Don't expect results as you need to wait at least for a month to get better ranking. I could send you a few useful High PR Backlinks if you want which I bet would be far better than those 1000s of yours.

Most of my new sites I put at least 1-2000 links on them in the first month, and I have never encountered a "sandbox" or anything of the sort.

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blue_Tiger

14 years ago

Originally Posted by coolice

You shouldn't build them instantly or you will get in the sandbox - no doubt about it. What you can do is submit 10-20 backlinks and let it built overtime. Don't expect results as you need to wait at least for a month to get better ranking. I could send you a few useful High PR Backlinks if you want which I bet would be far better than those 1000s of yours.

This is very important point:
Do not built links instantly , quickly .. otherwise you will have a problem

Another very important point: the quality of the links not the quantity of the links..

So if I submit 20 good quality backlinks everyday I will get better ranking by google than if I submit 1000s of any links everyday..

Thanks Coolice please send me some good PR links

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14 years ago

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VegasGreg

14 years ago

No problems at all.

Think of a big, breaking news story. Within minutes (even seconds) the links to the story spread far and wide across the net instantly.

If Google sandboxed the story, the news wouldn't be fresh.

Now, your site after receiving massive backlinks may go through the "Google Dance" while they are re-scoring your site and your ranking position may fluctuate during the process.

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kkchoon

14 years ago

If you are submitting PR 6 links, I don't see any limit here.

If you can get 1,000 PR 6 links in a day, your site / page would jump high and stay, not floating around! PR 6 and above carries a lot of "trustrank", and Google will trust your site, no matter how many links it receive.

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banless

14 years ago

If you point say 20,000 links at your site in a month this might raise a few flags, however, this would not be enough to get your site penalized. Depending on the page rank of the sites where the links are coming from you might get what they call a Minus-30 penalty (see Google’s Minus 30 Penalty - WebProNews Blog to learn more about this penalty).

I would build them at fairly slow pace just so they look more natural.

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jacksonlin

14 years ago

I don't know what other people are saying?

My experience is YES YOU WILL get sandboxed.

I have experienced it for my NEW SITES.

I used UAW with 50 links a day and for the sites that had 50 links a day per page, but then after the UAW sites on the list it was supposed to submit to finished, I got like 2 links a day per page. After that it got sandboxed within a month. My site is STILL in the sandbox, one has come out of it 6 months later.

But YES, you will get sandboxed if:
1. your site is brand new; and
2. you get heaps of links suddenly; and
3. the links suddenly stop coming.

So build slowly and surely and CONSISTENTLY is the key.

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paulgl 14 years ago

You are probably mistaken about any google sandbox.

50 links a day is not nearly enough to even be thought of as
"too many."

Your site being in the so-called sandbox after 6 months is due
to other things that you have either done or not done.

But these threads are so dang common here, I need to just
avoid them like the plague. They suck you into arguing a bunch
of nonsense.

Paul
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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jacksonlin

I don't know what other people are saying?

My experience is YES YOU WILL get sandboxed.

I have experienced it for my NEW SITES.

I used UAW with 50 links a day and for the sites that had 50 links a day per page, but then after the UAW sites on the list it was supposed to submit to finished, I got like 2 links a day per page. After that it got sandboxed within a month. My site is STILL in the sandbox, one has come out of it 6 months later.

But YES, you will get sandboxed if:
1. your site is brand new; and
2. you get heaps of links suddenly; and
3. the links suddenly stop coming.

So build slowly and surely and CONSISTENTLY is the key.

Unfortunately, there is a difference between sites jumping around google (sometimes massively), especially as new sites absorb new backlinks, and the so-called "sandbox".

Most threads on here about this so-called "sandbox" are actually just the former (sites jumping around google as backlinks are absorbed).

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Groovystar

14 years ago

They call that the google dance, right?

My site loves to do that...in a downward position

Currently doing the Twist around result #412. XD

Seriously though. Google devalues backlinks that don't feel natural. Think of what a naturally popular site's backlinks are in nature and pattern and then try to approximate that as closely as possible with your site. Chances are that no automatic system is going to do this very well. Google likes the human touch.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Groovystar

They call that the google dance, right?

My site loves to do that...in a downward position

Currently doing the Twist around result #412. XD

Seriously though. Google devalues backlinks that don't feel natural. Think of what a naturally popular site's backlinks are in nature and pattern and then try to approximate that as closely as possible with your site. Chances are that no automatic system is going to do this very well. Google likes the human touch.

Hi Groovystar,

No that's not the "Google Dance", what you are experiencing is called "circling the drain".

@blue_Tiger,

Google doesn't have a punishment system called "sandboxing". The only punishment they issue is called a de-indexing. The "sandbox effect" is just ranking web pages, that have stood the test of time, higher than new web pages.

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Groovystar

14 years ago

No that's not the "Google Dance", what you are experiencing is called "circling the drain".

I'd believe it. sure feels like it...Going 5 years now. XD But hey, I'm not here to complain, I signed up to learn how to improve the situation and it's still too soon yet to tell if it's working.

I hear about sandboxing again and again, maybe it's because those sudden backlinks don't stick for long and they degrade quickly, causing the site to sink?

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Sam Davis

14 years ago

Thank you for the information. I was looking for the answer of how many links per day to post without devaluing my keyword ranking. I had #1 for a particular keyword for a week or so, I did a small campaign posting links (less than 30 per day for 3 days) on .edu blogs. After a few days of doing i noticed my keyword rank dropped to #6! I assume its the "google dance" or shuffle. My domain previously had 140+ backlinks and has a domain age of 5+ years. My fingers are crossed my #1 will return.

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