Back Links and Back Link Services

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Okay, here is the question I need answered.

DO you like back link services or do you like back link lists?
Why do you like a private back link network more then a back link list?

I make the argument of spam links that is indisputable by anyone. Yet, there is a few other reasons I have heard.

What is your opinion? Please let me hear them....
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  • Profile picture of the author sterday
    DO you like back link services or do you like back link lists?
    i like, Backlink list lol as i do services, i don't want some one to do it for me. . lol

    So definitely i would like to go with backlink list. .
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  • Profile picture of the author IMKing
    It depends on the time factor, if you have lot of time then it is better to buy the list and you itself do the work, when time won't permits then it is better to outsource.

    Coming to the private backlink list, it is less know to others and less spam...
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficMystic
    I use both.. I have my own private list which I have tested over several months that ranks well.. but I also purchase link packs and scrape urls as well.. Best to have a varied list to use..

    On the spam issue, if you dont add more than 2 links per site I wouldnt regard this as spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author seoindia
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      • Profile picture of the author redflea13
        I do both. The service I use uses spyntext and only ads a few links a day per site so there is minimal footprint. I submit my own to lists as well when I have time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lorens
    If you have many websites you will need to outsource some work and use different link building services, otherwise, you can use link building lists and build links yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mountainmotorman
    Okay, maybe I was not clear enough in using the word "service"... I should have said a "private Network Service" like Link Racer, or UAW or some other similar type of private guaranteed back linking on a PRIVATE set of sites.

    I hear people all the time buying lists that are junk. When I started buying my sites to build this private network, it was because all the links that I put out there kept getting ripped down and then I was punished by Google for it because, these are SPAM... You can say whatever you want about one link is not or two links is not but, ANY links is spam and that is according to Wiki even!

    I built the baddest network on the net because, I followed the rules so to speak, that Google sends out to webmasters. I wanted to know why people are still spending hours and hours when they can have it all finished in 10 minutes themselves!!! Not worrying IF THEY are getting back links but being assured 100% they WILL GET them.

    That is more the question that I would like answered....
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman View Post


      I built the baddest network on the net because, I followed the rules so to speak, that Google sends out to webmasters. I wanted to know why people are still spending hours and hours when they can have it all finished in 10 minutes themselves!!! Not worrying IF THEY are getting back links but being assured 100% they WILL GET them.

      That is more the question that I would like answered....
      Couldnt resist eh?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman View Post

      I hear people all the time buying lists that are junk.
      LOL! You are building up your entire network on spun content including PLR and you are calling all lists junk? Warriors forum can be so amusing at times

      . You can say whatever you want about one link is not or two links is not but, ANY links is spam and that is according to Wiki even!
      Yep and you never heard of link spamming google right? You entire network exists to spam google so if all lists are spam then so is your entire network

      I built the baddest network on the net because, I followed the rules so to speak, that Google sends out to webmasters
      Cough....Paid links...Cough....and building a link farms are NOT within the rules "that Google sends out"

      That is more the question that I would like answered....
      And the question I would like answered is why everyone should give up getting links on all kind of authority sites with great content for a network that will end up with nonstop garbage content. They can use your service if they wish but giving up on all other kinds of link building to use your service exclusively? Thats really nonsense. As it is I wouldn't touch your network with a ten foot pole with the way you are building out content.

      You really believe that sites with massive spun content and garbage PLR articles are going to be authority sites for long?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mountainmotorman
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        LOL! You are building up your entire network on spun content including PLR and you are calling all lists junk? Warriors forum can be so amusing at times

        Yep and you never heard of link spamming google right? You entire network exists to spam google so if all lists are spam then so is your entire network

        Cough....Paid links...Cough....and building a link farms are NOT within the rules "that Google sends out"

        And the question I would like answered is why everyone should give up getting links on all kind of authority sites with great content for a network that will end up with nonstop garbage content. They can use your service if they wish but giving up on all other kinds of link building to use your service exclusively? Thats really nonsense. As it is I wouldn't touch your network with a ten foot pole with the way you are building out content.

        You really believe that sites with massive spun content and garbage PLR articles are going to be authority sites for long?

        NEVER have you EVER heard me tell anyone that they should give up building links with ANY other way with the single exception of, links that WILL be taken down as spam. If you use a list that is solid and want to spend HOURS posting the links, go for it! I also stated in more then one place, UAW and MY ARTICLE NETWORK are great places. I have ZERO interest in them financially. I have also stated clearly that, there is no amount of links that is "ALL YOU NEED".... In fact, I have stated just the opposite.

        As for calling my private network spun content of PLR--- You need to take a pill pal! You have no idea what is being published that is original and what is PLR and from the sounds of your comments, they are made to infer you have more then a pea for a brain!

        How about you read and watch the LATEST of what Google has to say about duplicate content and content on multiple sites before dinner comes in the form of shoe leather... That is what your eating at the moment...

        If you do not like me for something I have done to you, that is fine. If you do not like me for building something better then you have, that is JEALOUSY and that belongs off this thread--- I never called anything you have done or said a name or implied to the forum it is junk----

        You can think what you want, I can PROVE BEYOND DOUBT my private network works, gives crazy links, and makes a LOT OF WARRIORS happy as a pig in poop!!!!

        For this you slam me??? That is RUDE!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman View Post

          NEVER have you EVER heard me tell anyone that they should give up building links with ANY other way with the single exception of, links that WILL be taken down as spam. If you use a list that is solid and want to spend HOURS posting the links, go for it!
          Post #7 you pretty much trash any other way of posting links as spam. Who wrote that?

          I also stated in more then one place, UAW and MY ARTICLE NETWORK are great places. I have ZERO interest in them financially
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          Of course you didn't because if you did you would have to trash your own network which is what this thread is all about. However don't kid yourself. You aren't on the same level as most article sites. They have editorial oversight and don't accept garbage content.

          As for calling my private network spun content of PLR--- You need to take a pill pal! You have no idea what is being published that is original and what is PLR
          I don't have to. All I need to do is read through your offer and see your responses. You can edit your posts but you can't change other people's posts and anyone looking at their questions and your answers knows you accept MASSIVE loads of spun content and PLR. You say it point blank.

          and from the sounds of your comments, they are made to infer you have more then a pea for a brain!
          And thats another reason I would avoid your service. You are rude even to your own customers in your offer thread the minute any of them raise questions. Thats another problem with private networks. You are subject to who is running it. You are fond of saying none of your links will get removed but how does anyone know that? In fact an erratic network owner can decide after a few months to quit entirely and then ALL the links get removed as the sites lose hosting. Some links will be removed from lists yes but being run by different entities is actually a benefit that insures that one person quitting won't wipe out all backlinks

          Learn something before posting inaccurately. I can take you to ton loads of sites that will never be removed because they are business network sites that have ZERO problems with backlinks and have anchor text lines coded specifically because the links are welcome.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Now lets get down to the meat

            How about you read and watch the LATEST of what Google has to sa about duplicate content and content on multiple sites before dinner comes in the form of shoe leather... That is what your eating at the moment...
            This has nothing to do with Google. this is about the material you accept on your network and the impossibility of continuing to be an authority site (provided you have any in your network) if you do. Its a quality issue. Who continues to link to garbage duplicate and PLR pages?

            Only people using backlink lists. Get the irony?

            You can't maintain getting links from outside your network naturally because webmasters don't link very often to garbage content. On the Google side duplicate content is the least of your worries. Your entire network is soliciting paid links and you have the nerve to claim it is compliant with Google's rules? Further with the way you have set this up with duplicate and PLR content spun across several sites and putting your customers links across it you have left a MASSIVE footprint so that once Google identifies one of your sites as a link farm it can track down ALL of them.

            Don't complain you asked for these answers in your OP as to why people would prefer lists with multiple owners.

            If you do not like me for something I have done to you, that is fine. If you do not like me for building something better then you have, that is JEALOUSY and that belongs off this thread
            There is NO jealousy. I could use your service for some of my SEO customers IF I thought it wa better than what I do (hint - backlink lists are not all I do). Sorry, but you opened this conversation by asking why people would use a list over your service and I am telling you why. Its entirely called for because you ASKED for it.

            Anything that sells for $12 and promises thousands of backlinks with PLR and spun content will sell like gangbusters on Warriors regardless if its any good or not.

            However at the end of the day the reason I would never put any of my SEO customers on your network is the same reason you claim not to like lists - its garbage. My SEO customers don't need links on a paid link farm system where the content guarantees the authority of the site will trend toward low PR. Worse they don't need to be on sites where over time it becomes obvious that they are paid link farm like sites TO GOOGLE and Google discounts then entirely by de indexing the whole site and probably network

            makes a LOT OF WARRIORS happy as a pig in poop!!!!
            well..... Nah ... too easy.

            Let summarize and answer your question. People will use backlink sites because

            A) Many are on high authority sites that will only increase in authority because solid content is posted to them outside of link building activity.
            B) Most are sites where the average non IM Internet user finds the content useful and so continues to give natural links.
            C) backlink lists by definition rely on several companies and owners not one person who at some point may vanish from the scene all backlinks with them
            D) Most backlink list sites will not be identified as paid link farms because they actually aren't.
            E) They prefer sites that are not in danger of being de indexed

            Do backlinklists have a lot of negatives as well? Yes. Some links will disappear but theres a downside to everything as i've demonstrated with your allegedly perfect network.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikea262
    hummm well like anything else communication is key. If you provide a webmaster with some useful content or enter some kind of agreement then usually you dont have to worry about the links getting ripped down. It's weird, i feel that links obtained with good intentions always do better. i might just be in my head but if its not broken...dont fix it!
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  • Profile picture of the author alansalton
    how many backlinks per week do i need to be safe ?
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Originally Posted by alansalton View Post

      how many backlinks per week do i need to be safe ?
      17.87645 give or take 4 decimal points
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  • Profile picture of the author heathsteel2
    I like getting my own backlinks. You have to remember that not all links are good. If someone you hire out gets you a bunch of bad links, it could actually hurt your ranking. Just be cautious with who you use to generate your links and how they do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      I guess the question that REALLY needs answering is how long the blatant self promotion of your wso/service in this forum will last?

      I think you need to create a survey monkey survey and get a few jv partners to run their peeps thru it. There you will get your answers.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikkosant
    I prefer both. I also think getting links from authority domains is very beneficial. However, I have had decent success with UAW and SEnuke.
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  • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
    Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman View Post

    DO you like back link services or do you like back link lists?
    Neither.

    I prefer backlink software.

    I'm not subscribed to any backlink lists or services, but I'm always very keen to try out new software.
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  • Profile picture of the author wrobert
    I also agree with that it depends on the time factor, if you have lot of time then it is better you itself do the work,and not outsource it.


    Regards

    Robert
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman View Post


      I hear people all the time buying lists that are junk. When I started buying my sites to build this private network, it was because all the links that I put out there kept getting ripped down and then I was punished by Google for it because, these are SPAM... You can say whatever you want about one link is not or two links is not but, ANY links is spam and that is according to Wiki even!
      There are ways to do things right, you are not covering your tracks good enough, otherwise Google can't track you down!

      Any massive fabricated links is "SPAM", some call it gray hat, some call it black hat, and some call it link building! Whatever that is, we are trying to manipulate the search engine result, making it to rank for our content - unnaturally!

      Only pure white hat is what Google want, but why did Google still show result for black hat spammer? If Black hat or spamming don't work, why do many marketers still using it?

      Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman View Post

      I built the baddest network on the net because, I followed the rules so to speak, that Google sends out to webmasters. I wanted to know why people are still spending hours and hours when they can have it all finished in 10 minutes themselves!!! Not worrying IF THEY are getting back links but being assured 100% they WILL GET them.

      That is more the question that I would like answered....
      That's the beauty of private network, however, covering your tracks is the most important task, or you might lost everything!


      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Now lets get down to the meat

      You can't maintain getting links from outside your network naturally because webmasters don't link very often to garbage content. On the Google side duplicate content is the least of your worries. Your entire network is soliciting paid links and you have the nerve to claim it is compliant with Google's rules? Further with the way you have set this up with duplicate and PLR content spun across several sites and putting your customers links across it you have left a MASSIVE footprint so that once Google identifies one of your sites as a link farm it can track down ALL of them.
      Yes, no matter if your content is duplicate or not, as long as you provide added value and attract links, your will get tons of links and traffic - naturally.

      Private network leaves a lot of footprint, and not very hard for Google to figure it out, unless you cover your tracks - very good!

      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      A) Many are on high authority sites that will only increase in authority because solid content is posted to them outside of link building activity.
      Also the "trust rank" pass along with High PR authority sites, this is something most private network can't do...

      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      C) backlink lists by definition rely on several companies and owners not one person who at some point may vanish from the scene all backlinks with them
      It depends, link Linkvana, their network keep growing and works well for me!

      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      D) Most backlink list sites will not be identified as paid link farms because they actually aren't.
      True, but easily being abuse, and some people just love to share stuff that aren't theirs, and ruin everything for everyone!


      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Do backlinklists have a lot of negatives as well? Yes. Some links will disappear but theres a downside to everything as i've demonstrated with your allegedly perfect network.
      Unless you collect your own list or have a private list with tight control - like the one offered by Terry Kyle!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Great points as usual KKchoon but I wan't putting linkvana in the same category with the service the OP is advertising in this thread

        My understanding is that they adhere to these rules

        Restrictions You MUST Follow With LinkVana

        1. LinkVana can only be used to get links back to quality (whitehat) websites.
        2. The posts that you provide to obtain your backlinks need to be unique hand-written content.
        3. LinkVana will not be used for link spam.
        point number two makes Linkvana ENTIRELY different from the solution the OP is pushing. I suspect that backs up what I was saying - a solid network with a future has restrictions on rehashed content and PLR
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    If you are just beginning, it is best to use lists by yourself. But then when you have lots of websites, it is better to have backlink services or some virtual assistants posting in my backlinks list. Automation is the key.
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