Blog Comments Suck!

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nirvanos

Anyone else find this? Blog commenting takes time in that you need to find blogs that are related. And when I do, most of them are my direct competitors, they won't approve my comment with a link in the username, no matter how good the comment is...

Ar... not really about the related blog part. It is preferably finding related blogs will give you maximum effect on SEO and conversion, but not necessary so!

Why do you go to your competitor's blogs? Try to think out of the box, find "related", not exactly the same!

Originally Posted by Nirvanos

So its always a numbers-game, right? Some will approve, some won't. So then, the thinking goes... well if its a numbers-game, I might as well post quick blurbs, instead of investing time to add value... But then even less approve of the comment.

Yes, that's why outsource is very important, it save you time and most comments builder already had a good list of blogs to work with!

Originally Posted by Nirvanos

Anyone find this? Isn't your time then better invested in writing short-articles that get accepted 100% of the time on article directories and web 2.0. properties?

It doesn't really work that way - you see, if you want to build good ranking to your site, you need to mix all types of links.

Article directories and web 2.0 properties is limited, but there are millions of blogs out there, a far more superior number of links to obtain!

Originally Posted by Nirvanos

Your thoughts on this? Aren't there literally hundreds of article directories and blog-hosting-platforms?

Do people use blog-commenting where their niche happens to not have blog-competitors (i.e. the blog owners are not direct competitors) or am I missing something?

If you are doing cure acne kind of niche, why do you want to comment on those fake review blogs? You can find health related blogs, beauty related blogs or even make up related blogs!

Think out of the box...

Kok Choon

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Nirvanos 14 years ago

Awesome reply man. Appreciate it! I'll try to test it out with a little-broader terms. I'm in the dating market.

I'll try general-dating blogs instead of my specific sub-niche... But I'm still thinking it might be bad ROI in terms of approval.

Any ideas of what's a normal approval? I.e. how many of your comments get approved on a general, not-direct competitor blog?
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hunter29 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Why do you go to your competitor's blogs? Try to think out of the box, find "related", not exactly the same!
Kok Choon

Yes. It will work and your comment will be also approved. However, I personally prefer to get backlinks from forums and similar discussion communities.
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Lauryn

14 years ago

Yes, I think it could be annoying, but if I'm going to be honest, I don't even participate in all of that most of the time. I'm a heavy article marketer.

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nikolaaa

14 years ago

I have good experience with blog commenting, both automatic and manual.

1. You have to find top blogs in your niche that have big community around it (visitors who are active in blog commenting and social sites)

2. Then try to become part of them by commenting and adding them to social sites

You will see it's working very well.

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mainstreetcm

14 years ago

I don't know if they HAVE to be related. I comment on dofollow seo blogs, but my keyword is fashion related. I don't spam these blogs either, as I am currently partaking in a "blog argument" right now over an SEO technique...

What I don't like is when people say stuff like "great post!" It's not that hard to read and article and partake in discussion...

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kkchoon

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nirvanos

Awesome reply man. Appreciate it! I'll try to test it out with a little-broader terms. I'm in the dating market.

I'll try general-dating blogs instead of my specific sub-niche... But I'm still thinking it might be bad ROI in terms of approval.

Any ideas of what's a normal approval? I.e. how many of your comments get approved on a general, not-direct competitor blog?

The key to blog commenting just like other method, you need to track your work. I would recommend you do it at a mass scale, record and see which authority blog always approve your comment, store it as your "property".

You don't necessary have to be in the same niche / market, the link may not be very relevant, but still pass a lot of link juice if your blog PR is high enough.

If you want to save time, try outsource it to professional blog comment builder!

Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions

Scrapebox all the way.

Yes, that'll do, but the quality will not be as good as manual work. Still worth a try.

Originally Posted by Lauryn

Yes, I think it could be annoying, but if I'm going to be honest, I don't even participate in all of that most of the time. I'm a heavy article marketer.

Yes, but article backlinks alone will not give you enough rank power for higher competition keyword.

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Lauryn 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Yes, but article backlinks alone will not give you enough rank power for higher competition keyword.

Oh I definitely agree, but I'm still in the process of just building up the content on my sites... I guess I should spend more time networking as well... but I don't LOL.
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Nirvanos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

The key to blog commenting just like other method, you need to track your work. I would recommend you do it at a mass scale, record and see which authority blog always approve your comment, store it as your "property".

You don't necessary have to be in the same niche / market, the link may not be very relevant, but still pass a lot of link juice if your blog PR is high enough.

If you want to save time, try outsource it to professional blog comment builder!

Yes, that'll do, but the quality will not be as good as manual work. Still worth a try.

Yes, but article backlinks alone will not give you enough rank power for higher competition keyword.

In essence, you need to track, strategize think about and invest time, energy and effort into comment backlinking.

This is where my issues lies. Blog-commenting has become such a complex tactic, that it no longer fullfills its purpose. I could invest that time/energy/thought processes into something else with a higher ROI.

I'm of course discussing if you do most of your own work... If you can outsource it, still seems viable.

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birdfood

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mainstreetcm

I don't know if they HAVE to be related. I comment on dofollow seo blogs, but my keyword is fashion related. I don't spam these blogs either, as I am currently partaking in a "blog argument" right now over an SEO technique...

What I don't like is when people say stuff like "great post!" It's not that hard to read and article and partake in discussion...

Great post Mainstreetcm

Sorry, could not resist it. I know what you mean. If you leave a post, at least make it constructive.

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dburk

14 years ago

Hi Nirvanos,

Don't write off commenting on your competitors' blogs so quickly. What you need is a bit of tact. Write a comment that is both useful and highly complimentary toward the blog owner. Flattery will get you everywhere!

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Nirvanos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Nirvanos,

Don't write off commenting on your competitors' blogs so quickly. What you need is a bit of tact. Write a comment that is both useful and highly complimentary toward the blog owner. Flattery will get you everywhere!

I write extremely valuable comments. In fact, sometimes I give more value in the comment, then the post I'm responding to. Its just the nature of my niche, its very cut-throat.

Responding to direct-competitors has a very small approval rate. When I say direct competitors, all our domain-names are similar, lol.

I think using comments just sucks, and spells desperation to me. I prefer article marketing, guest posts etc... Lot less thinking involved, and lot less strategizing involved.

When I do article marketing, the only thing I need focus on is to give value in my article, that's it. Comment -back linking involves strategizing, thinking, where to try, where not to try... keeping track what kinds of blogs are better than others... And its also hard to keep track of.

Forum-backlinking I like a lot more. I feel good about it. I'm providing value and adding to those forums... And there's no "will this person approve or not" involved.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nirvanos

I write extremely valuable comments. In fact, sometimes I give more value in the comment, then the post I'm responding to. Its just the nature of my niche, its very cut-throat.

Responding to direct-competitors has a very small approval rate. When I say direct competitors, all our domain-names are similar, lol.

I think using comments just sucks, and spells desperation to me. I prefer article marketing, guest posts etc... Lot less thinking involved, and lot less strategizing involved.

When I do article marketing, the only thing I need focus on is to give value in my article, that's it. Comment -back linking involves strategizing, thinking, where to try, where not to try... keeping track what kinds of blogs are better than others... And its also hard to keep track of.

Forum-backlinking I like a lot more. I feel good about it. I'm providing value and adding to those forums... And there's no "will this person approve or not" involved.

Hi Nirvanos,

I'm sorry that I didn't make myself more clear. Useful comments are a prerequisite but not sufficient by themselves. If you post a comment that really flatters the blog owner, his company and his product or service, it makes it much harder to not approve it. If your competitor was saying really great things about your company wouldn't you want those comments widely publicized?

You can't just promote your own company on your competitor's blog, you must help your competitor promote his company if you want to get your comment approved. I know that may sound counterintuitive and it actually is, but hey, whatever works.

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Nirvanos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Nirvanos,

I'm sorry that I didn't make myself more clear. Useful comments are a prerequisite but not sufficient by themselves. If you post a comment that really flatters the blog owner, his company and his product or service, it makes it much harder to not approve it. If your competitor was saying really great things about your company wouldn't you want those comments widely publicized?

Actually no. I wouldn't publicize those comments... when...the...poster...is...my...direct...competito r. We're fighting for that very exact small keyword phrase.

You can't just promote your own company on your competitor's blog, you must help your competitor promote his company if you want to get your comment approved. I know that may sound counterintuitive and it actually is, but hey, whatever works.

I've never done anything but to provide 1000000% value with absolutely no self-promotion, and using my real name. Flattery, value giving and truly adding to the content he has posted.

The point is, if you have to think so much on how to get your comments approved in your own niche? Why bother? What's the point? In that same time I can make 5 comments on more general blogs (non-direct competitors) and have all 5 be approved.

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Lett

14 years ago

Do as many different backlink building strategies as you can, So it looks more natural. Google will love it

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johnsander1

14 years ago

Blog commenting is a big activity.You do not need to place a comment at that blogs which are your 100% competitors.You search the informative blogs and articles and place your comments.

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Mrs S

14 years ago

If you're using blog commenting as a strategy then at least take the time to leave a relevant comment. I've had so many spam comments on one of my blogs recently I've had to switch to all moderation. One day someone wrote out a whole comment about how she loved the clocks I displayed on my website and could I tell her where to buy them from. The site is about book reviews and there isn't a clock in sight!!

I'm not a big fan of commenters who leave a keyword in stead of their name - you'll still get benefits from links with your name as the keyword and it looks more natural that way anyway.

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Nirvanos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mrs S

If you're using blog commenting as a strategy then at least take the time to leave a relevant comment. I've had so many spam comments on one of my blogs recently I've had to switch to all moderation. One day someone wrote out a whole comment about how she loved the clocks I displayed on my website and could I tell her where to buy them from. The site is about book reviews and there isn't a clock in sight!!

I'm not a big fan of commenters who leave a keyword in stead of their name - you'll still get benefits from links with your name as the keyword and it looks more natural that way anyway.

Its ironic you did the same thing you're talking about

I started the thread by stating we're only discussing non-spam commenting, i.e. value-giving commenting where you actually contribute to the blog some value and use your real name.

So when we're talking about "blog comments" here we assume value-giving, related comments.

The issue I've found is that for people in my direct-niche, no matter how much value I give or how good the comment is, they won't approve it as we're all direct competitors. As for indirect competitors (overall dating market, not my straight niche), I have to give so much value to be approved, that I could have invested that time into some other activity instead (written 2-3 quality articles)

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greenbuck

14 years ago

its just a matter of time before all blog comments will be no follow

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JosephCosgrave

14 years ago

Hey Nirvanos,
Posting comments on related blogs can be good, but try stick to only high PR blogs.

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HammerShan

14 years ago

Well, I do agree with you, Blog commenting really kills the time and effort. Me too fedup with it. However, I know, we can get more dofollow links via that. So, I should stick with it.

On the other hand, Article direcotires are working well, No doubt on it.
But, web properties 2.0 sites - I heard that Google ingores links from such sites, but I am not sure on it. So, I just stopped using web properties 2.0 sites nowadays.

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jazbo

14 years ago

To give you an idea. I did a run using some software I use to scrape serps, and a php script I had developed to mass-check for nofollow (free in my WSO).

Out of around 100K scraped wordpress blog posts, more than 80% of them are nofollowed within the comment fields. So that leaves 20K. Of those the software returned only 345 as auto approved when I posted comments.

So auto approve is virtually zero out there nowadays.

Checking the others from the 20K a week later (and I was using very natural comments, non-keyword names and did not mention a URL in the post itself), less than 250 were found.

So your return on blog commenting, in terms of getting backlinks, even with automation these days is LOW.

I personally do not bother with links, and avoid akismet banning by using Google as the URl with my comments. I look on blog commenting as marketing now - mention your products and hope people do the search.

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BlogDiva

14 years ago

@Kok..that was some really good advice. You are right..sometimes you do have look around your niche and see what other blogs may be indirectly related to your topic.

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kkchoon

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BlogDiva

@Kok..that was some really good advice. You are right..sometimes you do have look around your niche and see what other blogs may be indirectly related to your topic.

Yes, you can't really get the exact same niche all the time, should try "less relevant" blogs... !

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Simple and effective: comment your own blogs.

100% approval rate.

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waynemartin2 14 years ago

I'm quite new to blog posting but my short term experience shows that my comments have been accepted 50% of the time, but I'm going to persevere as I know too many people who get good results using this method.
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- Frances Norah S 14 years ago
  
  Do not rely on one method of backlinking only. For example, do not just rely on blog commenting to boost up your SERP. Use various methods to get maximum effect. Submit articles, profile backlinking, web 2.0, social bookmarking and so on. Ensure that you mix it up to see its benefit. As for blogs that are dofollow and approves comments easily, you just have to look closely to find them.
  
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tjdaz

14 years ago

Well, its not really the best backlinking method, but an essential piece of the puzzle for sure.

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kkchoon

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Frances Norah S

Do not rely on one method of backlinking only. For example, do not just rely on blog commenting to boost up your SERP. Use various methods to get maximum effect. Submit articles, profile backlinking, web 2.0, social bookmarking and so on. Ensure that you mix it up to see its benefit. As for blogs that are dofollow and approves comments easily, you just have to look closely to find them.

I agree with Frances, try to get links from variety of places, and build your own list of resources, blogs, forums and any resources that you can easily get links, these will be your property!

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webcreationuk

14 years ago

I wonder, what is better: a comment on a niche related blog with PR4 or a comment on an unrelated website with PR8? Both with no nofollow...

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Rysk 14 years ago

From my experience its hard to find do follow blogs where they'll accept your KW's in the name.

A lot of the lists of 'do follow' blogs which are part of the do follow movement are wrong or may have just moved to no follow.
If i go to a blog on one of these lists and see very small amounts of comments (under 5) then I move straight on, you can normally see a do follow blog where they'll accept KWs in the name as there's 100+ comments on a post but these are few and far between, maybe 1 out of every 15 blogs i visit.

Evaluating time ROI for blog commenting is a tough one as on the one hand it takes so long to find a do follow blog where you can use KWs, but on the other blog comment links do seem to get indexed that much quicker than forum profile signatures.
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Interent-marketing

14 years ago

Rubbish i agree!

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Nirvanos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by andrewstrauss

I also do blog commenting for my blog...

A good comment will always get approved by moderator. Don't spam in your competitor's blog... moral : do right comment and get assure approve.

Not in direct competitors, lol.

Besides, I'm not writing off blog-commenting entirely... I just don't plan to do it personally. I'll eventually outsource it to someone.

Edit: I just outsourced... Good riddance

I just trained a kid to do it for me. I don't have to see this thing ever again, lol.

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jackbency

14 years ago

Really, Comments have been a frustrating part in Blog and Spam is the least of my frustrations.

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lexilexi

14 years ago

It also depends on what you are linking to. If you have a resource which is of high value, people are less offended by a link to it.

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Paragon

14 years ago

Have you tried Comment Hut? It makes it really easy to find blogs in your niche, saving you a lot of time.

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limochicago

14 years ago

In doing blog commenting, it is not necessary that you have to find related blogs to your niche even not related are also very helpful to your ranking. Posting on a related blog will only increase your chances of getting targeted traffic.

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bucketheads

14 years ago

blog commenting does suck. This is why I feel forum signatures and classified ad type sites are significantly more productive for the time investment.

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