From 0 to $50 per day in 60 days!

by bay37
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Hi all,

After reading so many "diaries" on here and seeing most everyone fail to reach their goals, I have decided to give it a try myself.

I've done some mini site building before. I also have web design and development experience. I'm currently making around $1500/month from my *small* portfolio of review sites.

My goal for this "experiment" is to create 30 brand new, medium sized, product oriented niche websites. I'm planning to have at least 20 pages of content on each site.

I will be monetizing using Amazon Ads, Adsense and a couple of other affiliate programs for some of the more niche-oriented sites.

Once the sites are online, I normally run my own (custom coded) social bookmarking script to get them listed on 50-100 do-follow social bookmarking sites. This is to give the sites a nice initial boost in rankings.

I go after low to medium traffic keywords (3000-9000 exact match searches per month) and always make sure to register an exact match domain.

I do not analyse my competition. If I can get an exact match domain, I go for it. End of story.

I've broken down my income goal into two phases:

phase 1: $30/day by 5th of May
phase 2: $50/day by 30th of May (as I have a nice holiday planned for June).

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I will post here once a day with any updates and my daily income stats.
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Please ask if you have any questions or w/e. I promise to answer each and every question within 24 hours.

Let's hope I can make it to $50/day!
#$50 #60 days #day #days #diary
  • Profile picture of the author inter123
    If you have experience doing this already then it would be easier then for someone starting out fresh faced.
    Good luck with the challenge, hope you make the $50 per day.
    It'd be a really good way following on to promote a course of some kind, adding another income stream. People love to learn from people with the know how.
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  • Profile picture of the author kimmer551
    I would like to know what kind of software you use to design your minisites, if you use any at all? I just need a good template to use to incorporate with AdSense, got any ideas? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    So, no promotion other than the social bookmarking?

    Will be interested to see the results! I love case studies like this!

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  • Profile picture of the author Murderface
    Thank you for starting this thread. It will be interesting to follow and very beneficial for a lot of people.

    Are you only looking for .com domains? I find great difficulty with finding exact-match domains (especially with regard to .com). Usually, I have to add something at the end (e.g. www*productnamereview*com or www*productnameusa*com etc.)

    Another thing, 20 pages of content can be difficult for product sites unless you build sites that are built around broader keywords (e.g. www*digitalcameras*com). However, these sites are typically harder to compete with. The only way I can think of to get around this (and also be able to create larger sites/write more content etc.), is to build a site that is product specific (e.g. www*olympusstylus9000*com), then, to get another 15+ pages of content, use a keyword for each page that is also product-specific, but relative (e.g. olympus stylus tough 6000, olympus stylus tough, olympus stylus 550wp etc. etc.). In other words, just because your home page/domain is focused on a specific digital camera, doesn't mean that your remaining pages have to be built around that exact model - they can be different models that fall into the same category or series etc.

    Anyway, is this your basic approach, or do you typically try to go for broader keywords and try to beat out the competition?

    Thanks.
    -M
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by Murderface View Post

      Are you only looking for .com domains? I find great difficulty with finding exact-match domains (especially with regard to .com). Usually, I have to add something at the end (e.g. www*productnamereview*com or www*productnameusa*com etc.)
      .com/org/net are all equally good. Unless I'm looking to build an authority site (in which case .com is a must), I'm happy with either one of them. Never add any extra words - makes ranking a bit more difficult (again this is only my opinion).

      Another thing, 20 pages of content can be difficult for product sites unless you build sites that are built around broader keywords (e.g. www*digitalcameras*com). However, these sites are typically harder to compete with. The only way I can think of to get around this (and also be able to create larger sites/write more content etc.), is to build a site that is product specific (e.g. www*olympusstylus9000*com), then, to get another 15+ pages of content, use a keyword for each page that is also product-specific, but relative (e.g. olympus stylus tough 6000, olympus stylus tough, olympus stylus 550wp etc. etc.). In other words, just because your home page/domain is focused on a specific digital camera, doesn't mean that your remaining pages have to be built around that exact model - they can be different models that fall into the same category or series etc.
      I never register product-model.tld domains.

      What I like to do is look for "medium difficulty" domains such as, using your example above, www*olympusdigitalcameras*com OR www*olympusstyluscameras*com.

      Try to never use a model name/number in your domains. If you have to, use a identifying trait such specific size/material/etc (for example wheeledbackpacks, womensleatherhandbags, etc).

      I also never use any trademarked words in any of my domains, but that's only a personal preference.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rounded
    I wish you good luck with your project.

    I can see that you are already making money, I wish I could boast with such earnings
    (not that you are, but it surely higher than my zero earnings...).
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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    Love to see stuff like this!

    Could you share more about how you are creating the sites? Unique content? If so that's a lot of content for you to be creating. I hope that having this thread inspires you. Congrats on already making $1,500/month. This looks like a great way to expand!

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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by freudianslip27 View Post

      Could you share more about how you are creating the sites? Unique content? If so that's a lot of content for you to be creating.
      My website domains normally focus around a medium sized keyword such as "wheeledlaptopbags". I then pick out 5-10 laptop bag brands, find 3-5 products/each and create a page for each one of the brand names (so like "wheeled laptop bags from SwissGear" etc) and fill those pages up with:

      1. a short intro at the top
      2. product reviews (re-writes of Amazon/Walmart/product website reviews)
      3. pictures for every product reviewed

      But this is only the beginning. Later on I might create a page called "funky laptop bags with wheels" or something similar. Then I would pick out 3-4 "funky" looking wheeled laptop bags that I haven't reviewed yet, and create a page around them.

      I'm sure if you use you imagination, or ask your friends/family/etc to help you out a little, you can come up with tons of catchy headlines. This kind of stuff makes your websites look unique, stand out from the usual "copycat" crowd and gives them credibility. I love it.

      EDIT: This is a little off-topic, but for anyone looking for quality free WP themes, check out newwpthemes.com. Great stuff there. Make sure to modify them to fit your requirements. Perhaps not the best themes for MFA sites though.
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  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    good luck, i wanna see you succeed and hopefully we can follow after
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  • Profile picture of the author tonyaphx
    I am doing something similar I have 24 new keyword domains. Now it time to build the sites. The hard part is designing them and figuring out to make them with amazon products or free tips with adsense or both. Most of them will have adsense. I am hoping to make $50 or more per day as well and be done building them by the end of the month. I really hope all of this hard work so far pays off. Just getting the keywords and doing the templates for 24 domains was hard enough. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author C0DeZeR0
    Nice ...

    Can U Share Some Tips ..

    How To Drive Traffic & Content & Design & Ctr & Etc ...
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  • Profile picture of the author ElMundodelExito
    So you are not planning to do some backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author PerfectedWeb
    Interesting.

    I wonder how you'll find the time to write unique articles for all your product sites. Are you considering outsourcing content writing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Murderface
    It's relatively easy writing content for products. Simply write up a product description/specifications/manufacturer info. etc. by getting information from retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart etc. Also, look for reviews and rewrite them in your own words. Give your readers a story if you have to (real or not) about how you or someone you know owns the product and was able to do this or that with it blah blah blah. Use filler words to give it more meat and inject facts regularly so that the information is useful to the reader:

    Amazon product description/specifications:
    • 12 mega pixel resolution
    • Focal adjustment: manual, automatic
    • Focal length: 18mm - 55mm
    • Auto focus points: 7

    Your description/specifications:
    • This particular camera produces pictures at an amazing 12 mega pixels - which equates to 12 million pixels. What that means is, greater resolution and quality.
    • With both, a manual and an automatic focal adjustment, you have more control and creative room to produce the pictures the way YOU want them to be.
    Additional content and filler:
    My friend, Steve, owns this particular model and swears by it. He is not a professional photographer by any means, but I have to say, some of the pictures that he produces with this camera look amazing! With a focal length of 18mm to 55mm and 7 auto focus points, it's relatively easy to see why. Blah blah blah. More filler and product pros/cons/facts etc. Blah blah.

    21 words quickly turn in to 122 words. Easy.

    By the way, guys, Amazon and Adsense are not the only options here. Aside from the obvious CPA/Clickbank solutions etc. you can also go directly through the merchant/website and sign up through their affiliate program for selling non-virtual products. You can either work with them directly, or, if that doesn't sit well with you, you can look for a merchant that works with a large affiliate network that tracks everything. Most product websites/merchants have an affiliate program. In fact, instead of dealing with Amazon's 1-day cookie and their ridiculously low commissions, you could, instead, go through a merchant website directly and see as much as 20% commissions on all sales- with a 45-day cookie (for example). There are LOTS of websites like this, people.

    -M
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    • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
      Originally Posted by Murderface View Post

      look for reviews and rewrite them in your own words. Give your readers a story if you have to (real or not) about how you or someone you know owns the product and was able to do this or that with it blah blah blah. Use filler words to give it more meat and inject facts regularly
      Highly, highly unethical.

      No wonder so many people are starting to realize online reviews are BS, and why the U.S. FTC has decided to crack down on website owners and bloggers. Let's just call this what it is: "lying to site visitors in hopes of making a quick buck". This can be a criminal offense in some countries, or simply a civil matter in others.

      This is why bloggers will never be real journalists.

      That's simply horrible advice. I'm appalled and disgusted.
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      • Profile picture of the author Murderface
        Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

        Highly, highly unethical.

        No wonder so many people are starting to realize online reviews are BS, and why the U.S. FTC has decided to crack down on website owners and bloggers. Let's just call this what it is: "lying to site visitors in hopes of making a quick buck". This can be a criminal offense in some countries, or simply a civil matter in others.

        This is why bloggers will never be real journalists.

        That's simply horrible advice. I'm appalled and disgusted.
        You are overreacting.

        How is this any different from a commercial on television that shows some woman (an actress that reads a script) talking about how Purina dog food is the best choice for her and her dog - while spewing out the benefits (facts) and using filler to make the commercial last 60-120 seconds long?

        At least, when rewriting reviews, you know that what you're saying has truth behind it - and not just a bunch of lying crap and false claims. I mean, you're not lying about the product and saying that it can do something that it can't etc.

        And since when is speaking your opinion (or the opinion of someone else) a crime? Just because YOU didn't say it doesn't mean it's not true. And so what if you make up some person/name to use in your content - you think the commercials on television depict real people - use their real names - show them in 'their' real home etc.? Give me a break.

        The fact is, you are writing content for your readers that not only contains facts about the product (which are beneficial for the reader), but you're putting it all in a context that is informal and easy to read - making it more enjoyable for the reader.

        -M
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      • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
        Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

        Highly, highly unethical.

        No wonder so many people are starting to realize online reviews are BS, and why the U.S. FTC has decided to crack down on website owners and bloggers. Let's just call this what it is: "lying to site visitors in hopes of making a quick buck". This can be a criminal offense in some countries, or simply a civil matter in others.

        This is why bloggers will never be real journalists.

        That's simply horrible advice. I'm appalled and disgusted.
        I suppose nationally published catalogues and magazines are unethical too. I always see reviews for products in magazines, catalogues, the newspaper, my mailbox, at some gas stations.

        I will agree that some reviews are pretty terrible, however I'm in a lot of product niches and most of my competitors, small to medium sized sites have good reviews. Not all of them only cover the good and don't mention the bad. All of my reviews have truthful pros and cons.

        Considering this unethical is about as stupid a thing as I've ever heard.
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      • Profile picture of the author RossVegas
        Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

        Highly, highly unethical.

        No wonder so many people are starting to realize online reviews are BS, and why the U.S. FTC has decided to crack down on website owners and bloggers. Let's just call this what it is: "lying to site visitors in hopes of making a quick buck". This can be a criminal offense in some countries, or simply a civil matter in others.

        This is why bloggers will never be real journalists.

        That's simply horrible advice. I'm appalled and disgusted.
        I agree that you may be overreacting. Not that im for unethical things but this is business. Leave your pride at the door, your work should never reflect your personality.
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Okay... I see there's a lot of interest in this kind of stuff out there eh. Good stuff.

      Let me start by saying that I will only be checking this thread once a day - to answer questions and post daily updates. This helps me focus on my work rather than surfing the web/reading forums endlessly until the day is over.

      Here goes my first daily update:

      Yesterday I managed to find and register 30 exact match product related domains.

      After that I went on to create 3 websites (they go online today) using WordPress. At the moment each website has around 4 pages of content (excluding contact us/privacy policy/about us pages).

      For content I simply used the exact same method as Murderface has described above. I do have plans to diversify the site content a bit later on, once I'm done launching all 30 websites. I have also just outsourced over 150 product descriptions to be re-written.

      As I have already mentioned, I use WordPress and I love it. It's an amazing platform with almost endless customization/automation possibilities.

      Yesterday I decided to try out a few Amazon site builder plugins (automated product postings), to see if I could integrate them nicely into my websites. Unfortunately, none of them impressed me much, because the way I build my pages seems to be very different from anything that those plugins offer. Oh well. I'll write my own custom plugin today.

      Let me try answering the questions now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    BTW, the title of this thread looks familiar but can't.. really.. point out.. where it's oh wait a minute! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Cabinfever25
    Good thread, I'm just trying to get started and am using Wordpress with the Thesis theme. I'm getting stuck a little bit on design and how I would like the site to look like and actually figuring out how to make it look that way! Such a steep learning curve but I am trying!
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    • Profile picture of the author Cole Knight
      Good luck! I've just started trying to build my Adsense income slowly but surely. I only have 1 real website up so far but I'm working on a few others like yours. Hopefully reading this will push me to work harder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    ^^ My sentiments exactly.

    Believe it or not but even journalists, LIE.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spot the Ball
    Nobody has to lie, infact by telling it how it is and gathering information, good or bad about a product will actually give you credibility.

    Theres no need to tell porkies.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

    Hi all,

    After reading so many "diaries" on here and seeing most everyone fail to reach their goals, I have decided to give it a try myself.

    I've done some mini site building before. I also have web design and development experience. I'm currently making around $1500/month from my *small* portfolio of review sites.

    My goal for this "experiment" is to create 30 brand new, medium sized, product oriented niche websites. I'm planning to have at least 20 pages of content on each site.

    I will be monetizing using Amazon Ads, Adsense and a couple of other affiliate programs for some of the more niche-oriented sites.

    Once the sites are online, I normally run my own (custom coded) social bookmarking script to get them listed on 50-100 do-follow social bookmarking sites. This is to give the sites a nice initial boost in rankings.

    I go after low to medium traffic keywords (3000-9000 exact match searches per month) and always make sure to register an exact match domain.

    I do not analyse my competition. If I can get an exact match domain, I go for it. End of story.

    I've broken down my income goal into two phases:

    phase 1: $30/day by 5th of May
    phase 2: $50/day by 30th of May (as I have a nice holiday planned for June).

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    I will post here once a day with any updates and my daily income stats.
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    Please ask if you have any questions or w/e. I promise to answer each and every question within 24 hours.

    Let's hope I can make it to $50/day!
    I don't mean to take this off-topic, and I wish you luck in your current challenge. I couldn't help but recall that you made some posts last year in XFactors "6 month later" thread about some reasonable success you were having following his "blueprint". I just wondered what the situation was with these sites? Did you continue to follow this blueprint, did the sites get deindexed, did they dry up, do they still exist and earn to this day?

    Was just curious to know :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      I don't mean to take this off-topic, and I wish you luck in your current challenge. I couldn't help but recall that you made some posts last year in XFactors "6 month later" thread about some reasonable success you were having following his "blueprint". I just wondered what the situation was with these sites? Did you continue to follow this blueprint, did the sites get deindexed, did they dry up, do they still exist and earn to this day?

      Was just curious to know :-)
      Hey! Thanks!

      Yeah I tried following his "blueprint" at first, but when I added my sites to Google webmaster tools I noticed a warning message - "low quality websites" or something similar. That's when I decided to kill those mini sites and started building different websites.

      I have read some of XFactors later posts telling people to add more pages/content to their sites, etc... which is great. I'm not saying that his approach is flawed, but people need to understand that what he teaches is only the basics - they should read his posts/thread, have a good think, add a unique twist to his methods and do work.
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  • Profile picture of the author jmcg084
    bay37,

    You have started a nice little frenzy on here! Nice work!

    It seems like you have a good number of on-lookers. I am very interested to see how well you will succeed and whether you meet your goal or not.

    You have high ambitions to create 30 sites with approx 20 pages of content for each on in under a month! You must be a content typing machine and a half!

    All the best, I will be following this thread closely =)
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  • Profile picture of the author osazzz
    please dont forget to keep us updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author healthelectron
    Good luck. Now I have just bulited a website for adsense, I believe i will do the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author GMatthers
    wow mate that is amazing. I hope i get approved in ad-sense soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffhard
    by the way.. i got very good info here..

    if you succed doing this.. Please let me know by PM
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Day 3 update.

      Earnings:

      Adsense: nothing
      Amazon: $1.62 (two small sales)

      Didn't get enough done yesterday! ARGH!

      I was planning to launch 3 more websites, then implement my new WordPress plugin into all of my product related posts and to run SB links to the 2 sites I managed to create the day before.

      All I managed to do was run the Social Bookmarking script on those 2 sites and complete coding my new WordPress plugin. I must note, however, that this is my first time writing a WP plugin, which is why it took me a bit longer than planned.

      I'll be working all night in order to catch up. Must..not..fail..the..challenge...

      Let's do this!

      (I'm well hyped up today haha)
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  • Profile picture of the author ellewong
    Good Luck. I believe you're well on your way. Your traffic keyword and exact domain requirement is on track.

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Samos
    Will check this thread from time to time. It made me motivated again.
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      First of all, let me say thank you to everyone who wished me luck, it does help to keep me going.

      Day 4 update.

      Earnings:

      Adsense: nothing
      Amazon: $26.18 (one lucky sale)

      Yesterday has been an amazing day in terms of earnings. Someone bought one expensive item through one of my niche sites. Just awesome. Currently, only 3 websites have Adsense/Amazon ads on them, while the other 2 (5) are sitting there waiting to be noticed by the big G.

      My current traffic stats are ~40/day over 3 websites. Amazon ad ctr is ~25%.

      I managed to get 3 more websites built, started testing my new Amazon plugin, outsourced 50 articles (300 words each), prepared a fresh template for the next 3-6 sites (I never use the same template on more than 6 websites).

      Hopefully, once I get all 30 websites up and running, I'll be seeing a lot more of those "lucky" high commission Amazon sales. :p

      Time to do some work.

      My life be like oooooh aaaahh...
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    • Profile picture of the author HCLee
      Since these are all new sites, you might encounter the dreaded Google sandbox. Could you share with us how you plan to tackle this problem since it could delay achieving your desired targeted time line.
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      • Profile picture of the author bay37
        Originally Posted by HCLee View Post

        Since these are all new sites, you might encounter the dreaded Google sandbox. Could you share with us how you plan to tackle this problem since it could delay achieving your desired targeted time line.
        Hey,

        My experience with Google sandbox has been this:

        I launch a site with 4-5 pages of unique content. Next day send 50 - 100 SB links to it. Get indexed real quick, hit pages 1-3 on google.com (depending on the target market of course). I then start adding more content once a week or so.

        The sites seem to hold those rankings for ~1 1/2-2 months. After that they start to slowly drop in rankings for the main keyword, but at the same time I normally start getting a lot more traffic for long term, very niche related searches (obviously ranking for a lot of weird phrases).

        Out of every 10 websites I build, ~2 seem to get hit by the Google sandbox, while the other 8 do just fine. I haven't yet figured out why/how to avoid it, but I don't pay too much attention to it tbh.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thinker1
          It's good that you don't focus your attention on the two that don't make it. Good luck with your goal.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Dales
      This is very interesting. I usually follow threads like this. I hope you succeed in your goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author limochicago
    I wonder what are the 100 social bookmarking sites that are dofollow do you use?
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  • Profile picture of the author zachary0611
    Nice journal Can we see what type of template you are using?
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by zachary0611 View Post

      Nice journal Can we see what type of template you are using?
      My templates change every 3-5 sites.

      As a general rule though, I like to make my sites look "pretty" while at the same time retaining high ad ctr.

      This means that I do not use any of the "huge" Adsense blocks right at the top of my pages. I like to have a nice (and relevant) banner/header on every page. I do not hide my contact/terms/home links. Every one of my sites has a unique colour theme/feel.

      So far, with all of my previous websites, I managed to keep the avg. Adsense ctr in the 7%-15% range, and my Amazon (or similar) ad ctr has been in the 20%-35% range.

      I do not spam my visitors with a ton of product links (as some people do - picture links, product name links, "read more" links, etc). I like to pre-sell my visitors first, and I always make sure that those who click through to the product pages know that they are leaving my website "to buy xxx at amazon.com".

      My main measurements of success are the avg. length that my visitors stay on the site and the bounce rate. I like to keep the bounce rate low, and the avg. stay at ~1-2mins (enough for someone to read through a page worth on content).
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    • Profile picture of the author ManningSkaemes
      Hi Everyone,

      I'm glad I found this thread, I am starting the same goal. I know I am a little late, but I will report my progress as well.

      Thanks,
      Manning
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      • Profile picture of the author bay37
        Originally Posted by ManningSkaemes View Post

        I'm glad I found this thread, I am starting the same goal. I know I am a little late, but I will report my progress as well.
        Good stuff!

        Day 13.

        Earnings:

        Adsense: $0.62
        Amazon: $4.50 (4 items. 2 of them very low value sales.)

        Okay. I've started slowly monetizing my websites. Currently only adding Amazon ads to them, Adsense will follow towards the end of the month (depending on website performance).

        Yesterdays earnings are for 5 sites combined. I took Adsense off of one of my first sites, because I wasn't getting any clicks (my best earning Amazon site so far). Today I will be adding ads to 5 more websites with traffic.

        Funny thing - one of my websites started getting over 80 visits/day from Google. The reason - I'm ranking on page 1 for a rather competitive keyword. A lot of traffic heh. Just changed the site content around a little bit to reflect that keyword term. This is very good news.

        Oh and for those wondering how competitive the keyword is - imagine having a website - largeleatherhandbags.net (targeting "large leather handbags") - and ranking on page 1 for the keyword "leather handbags".
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    • Profile picture of the author Pradeep Bhagwat
      It is great achievement! But builiding 30 sites with 20 pages or articles each is not easy. I think you must have put very hard work in it. Afterall to get 50$/day it is necessary.

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      Great Post, I'm doing something similar. Keep up the great work! Kudos and thanks!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author kidder
    I had a friend run this exact type of plan and within about 3 months Google had dropped all of his 40 or so websites(wordpress). When I say dropped I mean removed from the index. The only way Google could have linked them all was via his adsense account, I think he moved to quickly and got hit with a low quality hammer. I also think it might have appeared automated and that wordpress is great but its a red flag from the get go for this sort of operation. He had lots of money invested, content writers, link monkeys and so on. I'm not saying this does not work but people should be aware of what can happen when the red flags go up.
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  • Profile picture of the author kendimann
    do i understand you correctly,

    each of your sites revolve in a specific product?

    i.e.. site 1 focused on laptop bags then site 2 is all about game consoles and so on.

    then you write articles for that product.

    do you target keywords?

    do you buy new domain for each of your sites or you have a generic domain and put all of these sites as subdomains?
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by kendimann View Post

      do i understand you correctly,

      each of your sites revolve in a specific product?

      i.e.. site 1 focused on laptop bags then site 2 is all about game consoles and so on.
      Yup. A specific product as in "laptop bags.com", not as in "swiss gear 15 inch laptop bag.com".

      then you write articles for that product.

      do you target keywords?
      Yes and yes. In my articles I like to target specific brands of that product, sizes, types, material, colours, etc...

      do you buy new domain for each of your sites or you have a generic domain and put all of these sites as subdomains?
      Definitely a new domain for each site. Always exact match (keyword.tld || tld == .net/.org/.com).
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  • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
    @ bay37 - in theory your plan does sound brilliant, but you do need to realize and be cognizant of the big "IF"

    It stands for Internet Footprints.

    By launching that many sites, that fast - particularly with Adsense, you have in all probability already established at least one big IF! And that is with Google.

    And believe this; the Big G is the LAST entity you want spotting "IF" Especially if your game plan is to make money with Adsense. By using your Adsense account, you made spotting your IF real easy.

    Here are some other ways to leave IF that are easy to spot...

    All of your sites are on the same host.
    All of your sites have the same Class C IP address
    All of your sites are registered at the same registrar
    All of your sites have the same WHOIS data
    All of your sites are inter-connected via links
    All of your sites have the exact same links

    It's great that you are an "AIM" an Aggressive Internet Marketer but you need to temper that aggressiveness with TIME.

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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    So what exactly counts as an Internet Footprint? 40+ sites? What if I run ten sites? Is that considered a footprint?
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by mainstreetcm View Post

      So what exactly counts as an Internet Footprint? 40+ sites? What if I run ten sites? Is that considered a footprint?
      Go back to work. :p

      Originally Posted by Murderface

      I can't believe that your sites would get de-indexed, but anything is possible, I suppose. A good thing, however, is that you are building your sites around products - so, in the terrible event that you do lose your adsense account, you can always find other ways to recoup your losses and continue profiting from those sites (which you are already doing by way of Amazon). And since you are already establishing a good foundation of websites, you could always make the transition to paid advertising - quickly and easily.
      Hey! Yeah... I'm not worried about Google closing any of my accounts anytime soon.

      Also, as you already noted, Google isn't even my main source of revenue. The content quality on my websites is pretty good, I guess (people come back after purchasing stuff and leave comments about the products. what a very good feeling haha).

      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions

      Your Adsense pub-id is a footprint itself. With it I can track all your sites.
      Yeah. There are so many ways to trace/track/sabotage/etc things on the internet... Lucky for us, those who know how to do it - have better things to do with their time, and those who just like to talk - talk.
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      • Profile picture of the author Murderface
        Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

        The content quality on my websites is pretty good, I guess (people come back after purchasing stuff and leave comments about the products.
        -Ha ha! That's awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author Murderface
    bay37-

    Thanks for the response.

    I have to agree with some of what is being said here. If you are doing adsense, and you are doing anything that may draw 'special' attention your way, you better make sure you are providing quality, content-rich sites (with more than 1 page of content etc.).

    I can't believe that your sites would get de-indexed, but anything is possible, I suppose. A good thing, however, is that you are building your sites around products - so, in the terrible event that you do lose your adsense account, you can always find other ways to recoup your losses and continue profiting from those sites (which you are already doing by way of Amazon). And since you are already establishing a good foundation of websites, you could always make the transition to paid advertising - quickly and easily.

    Obviously, as everyone already knows, it is always best to follow the T.O.S./policy/quality guidelines, and keep things looking 'natural'.

    Best of luck to everyone.

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  • Profile picture of the author bay37
    Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

    All my life I've encountered these "chicken-little's". All their life they're so content to the concept of 9-5 and "working hard" so it becomes their goal. Mine is not this so I build adsense sites.

    AdSense sends me the check, I pay my worker $250/month and keep the balance, tell her to order articles and have a tool that give me these niches on auto-pilot.

    The system grows itself.
    That's one way to do it.

    I enjoy building medium sized websites (big enough to not be called "thin affiliate sites", but not too big for me to lose interest in building them). Feels good to see traffic pouring in, people commenting on my articles, etc.

    Also, one thing I found with my "smaller" sites - they need just as much maintenance as the big ones (in terms of holding/going up in rankings). Perhaps it's the keywords that I go for (not the lowest possible competition, I guess).

    After this is all done, if I manage to get to $50/day with this batch of sites, I'll be sitting on a $60-$70k/year business working around 4-6 hours a day, which is pretty awesome for me. Most of that time is spent working on my other ecommerce site (just one), which is actually my own brand of a very popular product, so orders/shipping/support take up a few hours a day.

    How far are you from 6 figures/month? That's some goal right there.
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  • Profile picture of the author kidder
    Its good advice not to be geared too heavily into adsense for sure. How about looking at your local market and pushing into the local organic results and then doing deals direct with local business?
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Days 6-7

      Earnings:

      Adsense: $0.89
      Amazon: $1.28

      Sorry for not posting yesterday - I felt like working and didn't want to get distracted.

      Originally Posted by kidder View Post

      Its good advice not to be geared too heavily into adsense for sure. How about looking at your local market and pushing into the local organic results and then doing deals direct with local business?
      This is almost exactly what I'm doing with my ecommerce site. The only difference is that I only promote one type of product and I have created my own brand (I import the products from far east).

      I also own a "test" website in a very popular niche. About half a year ago I decided to throw a ton of links (read tens of thousands) at it and target a very high volume local search phrase... as of today I rank #2 in Google UK for that particular phrase (outranking all large businesses in that area) ha ha! Get around 250 visitors/day. Not monetizing it just yet (too many projects).

      Originally Posted by jmcg084

      It appears that you are putting your sites up very quickly, roughly how many hours a day are you spending on this project?
      Quite a few at the moment. I would say definitely more than 8 hours/day of focused work.
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  • Profile picture of the author jmcg084
    An interesting journal! You have made a fair bit of progress since I first visited bay37! Well done!

    It appears that you are putting your sites up very quickly, roughly how many hours a day are you spending on this project?
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  • Profile picture of the author woodgate
    this is a great lecture, but for the sake of those that are starting out, you can share atleast how you get traffic to your site
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Day 8 update.

      Earnings:

      Adsense: $0.38
      Amazon: nothing

      Launched 3 more websites yesterday. I wanted to also note that only 3 of my websites so far have ads on them, while the rest are just sitting there waiting for me to monetize them.

      I have again started building a custom tool, this time it's a content spinner that can take any article and spin it to 30%-40% uniqueness. This should help me a lot with link wheel building later on in month 2 or so.

      Originally Posted by woodgate View Post

      this is a great lecture, but for the sake of those that are starting out, you can share atleast how you get traffic to your site
      Erm, I'm not sure what you mean, but here goes:

      All I do when I launch a website is this:

      1. launch a 4-5 page site. Wait until it gets indexed.
      2. Social Bookmark the site (50-100 SB submissions). Wait 2-4 days.
      3. Start adding ads.
      4. Add content every few days.

      That's it for starters.

      Later on (30-60 days in) I like to create link wheels targeted to my best selling keywords/pages. I then either social bookmark the web 2.0 properties or run a ton of profile links to them.

      For even bigger websites, I like to do this:

      1. Create quality link wheels for every keyword phrase/page that is doing well/sells. Then I SB those link wheels.

      2. Register 2-3 related .info domains and fill them up with 3-4 pages of quality content. Then I point links from those sites to my main page and/or top 3 keywords/pages.

      Then I create 2-3 medium quality link wheels targeting phrases related to those that the .info domains are targeting and send a ton of profile links/SBs to those link wheels. (edit: just to be clear here - those medium quality link wheels link to the .info domains).

      All of my link wheels are "open". I just like to call them "link wheels" for w/e reason.
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      • Profile picture of the author inter123
        Hey bay37.

        Thanks for the journal and the info here.

        From your experience, how does Adsense part of Google feel about using gray hat techniques such as link wheels to drive search engine rankings? I take in all the time you have been using there has been no issues?
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        • Profile picture of the author bay37
          Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

          From your experience, how does Adsense part of Google feel about using gray hat techniques such as link wheels to drive search engine rankings? I take in all the time you have been using there has been no issues?
          Hey!

          Most of the time my "link wheels" aren't connected together, so that pretty much eliminates any footprints right there. Also, all of the web 2.0 pages that link to my money pages are of pretty good quality. No problems so far.
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          • Profile picture of the author snobants
            really good bay37
            i start making amazon reviews now, and this info its great to me.
            my link... my post
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            • Profile picture of the author bay37
              Day 9 update.

              Earnings:

              Adsense: $0.67
              Amazon: $4.44

              Woohooo, it seems as if my income is slowly picking up. It has to be noted that my websites are not "Adsense optimized", meaning that I only display Adsense ads once (and in the case of these three websites, I'm using Adsense link units).

              Good stuff. Now to launch 3 more websites.
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              • Profile picture of the author snobants
                How many domains you have in first/second positions?
                all there in first page?
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                • Profile picture of the author bay37
                  Originally Posted by snobants View Post

                  How many domains you have in first/second positions?
                  all there in first page?
                  None on page 1 positions 1-3. All of them are somewhere on pages 1-2 though.
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                  • Profile picture of the author bay37
                    Days 10-11.

                    Earnings:

                    Adsense: $0.60
                    Amazon: 3.27

                    Launched 3 more websites and started adding content to the first 6 websites. Things are looking good so far. I've been averaging just over $1/day/site so far (I know, I know - it's too early to tell).

                    If the other 27 websites start bringing in the same amount of money (or I get lucky with one or two sites and they make me a lot more $$) once I add ads to them - I should be able to achieve my 1st goal on time. Good stuff.
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                    • Profile picture of the author inter123
                      Hi bay37.

                      Just wondering what advice do you have on the layout to maximize click though rate while incorporating amazon & adsense.

                      Do you have the ad and the amazon product listed at the top right next to each other?

                      Jim.
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                      • Profile picture of the author bay37
                        Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                        Hi bay37.

                        Just wondering what advice do you have on the layout to maximize click though rate while incorporating amazon & adsense.

                        Do you have the ad and the amazon product listed at the top right next to each other?

                        Jim.
                        Hey Jim,

                        Most of my pages contain 1 long text link to Amazon and one of those Adsense text link units (see attachment).

                        You can also try removing the Adsense link unit and placing one of the horizontal Adsense boxes right above the title of the article. That really depends on how targeted the Ads that Google is showing on your website are. Sometimes there aren't enough advertisers bidding on your keywords (especially for link units).

                        I do not link to Amazon through any of the pictures, as I think it's a little misleading to send your readers straight to Amazon every time they click a picture (people like to click on images). It is, however, a good idea to show a pop up window with a larger version/versions of product picture/pictures and have a link to Amazon right at the bottom of the window.

                        I try to provide an "experience", not just send my visitors to another website as quickly as possible.
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                        • Profile picture of the author inter123
                          Seems the emphasis is more on Amazon then Adsense with Amazon occupying more space width and more occupation for the user. As reflected by earnings.

                          Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

                          Hey Jim,

                          Most of my pages contain 1 long text link to Amazon and one of those Adsense text link units (see attachment).

                          You can also try removing the Adsense link unit and placing one of the horizontal Adsense boxes right above the title of the article. That really depends on how targeted the Ads that Google is showing on your website are. Sometimes there aren't enough advertisers bidding on your keywords (especially for link units).

                          I do not link to Amazon through any of the pictures, as I think it's a little misleading to send your readers straight to Amazon every time they click a picture (people like to click on images). It is, however, a good idea to show a pop up window with a larger version/versions of product picture/pictures and have a link to Amazon right at the bottom of the window.

                          I try to provide an "experience", not just send my visitors to another website as quickly as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author YannickvdBos
    Great journal my friend, this surely helps to keep you going isn't it ?
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Day 12 (I think).

      Earnings:

      Adsense: $0.77
      Amazon: $2.31

      W00t! $1/day/site! I'm HAPPY! Put up 2 more websites. Currently only 3 websites have ads. Going to start monetizing my other sites really soon.

      Originally Posted by YannickvdBos View Post

      Great journal my friend, this surely helps to keep you going isn't it ?
      It sure does.

      Seems the emphasis is more on Amazon then Adsense with Amazon occupying more space width and more occupation for the user. As reflected by earnings.
      Yup. When I first started building websites I used to focus mainly on Adsense, but then one day I switched most of my links to Amazon/other networks and nearly tripled my earnings overnight.

      thanks for the layout - interesting approach. Only two outward links for monetization, the rest on-site navigation.
      Yeah. Good CTR though. And I also want to survive any manual reviews or whatever else Google decides to do with my sites.
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    thanks for the layout - interesting approach. Only two outward links for monetization, the rest on-site navigation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Markle
    You have set up a nice objective. It seems you are very commited to achieving your goal. I find it interesting that you are taking on such a massive project when you are apparently already successful monetizing your other online activities. Why do you want to venture into this area that will obviously take up an enormous amount of time. Do you plan to outsource anything to help take the load off your shoulders? Good luck in your meeting and exceeding your goal.
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by Terry Markle View Post

      You have set up a nice objective. It seems you are very commited to achieving your goal. I find it interesting that you are taking on such a massive project when you are apparently already successful monetizing your other online activities. Why do you want to venture into this area that will obviously take up an enormous amount of time. Do you plan to outsource anything to help take the load off your shoulders? Good luck in your meeting and exceeding your goal.
      Hey,

      I spend a lot of time working that's true, however... I just love what I'm doing at the moment - building websites, writing bots/software/managing writers/etc.

      The review sites that I currently own are well on their way to earning $2000 this month. I haven't updated any of them in some time now, but the traffic/earnings seem to be constantly improving.

      My end goal for this new batch of 30 sites is ~$2500-$3500/month on *almost* auto-pilot. It will take a lot longer than 60 days to get there, but I have no doubt that those numbers are very realistic.

      I outsource most of the content writing... At first finding good writers was kind of tough, but then after some 6-8 failures I ran across a small team of very good writers (at $1/100 words), whom I've been using ever since.

      My ecommerce website is a completely different project - I source a product from Asia and use PPC/SEO to get sales. The SEO part of it is also a lot different from what I'm doing with these niche product sites. This site takes up ~2hours/day of my time, which isn't too bad. I have an assistant who pretty much runs the site, apart from managing paid traffic campaigns.

      It's all good.
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  • Profile picture of the author fskcramer
    Few questions, how are you getting indexed by google so quickly?
    Are you hosting all these on a server of your own?
    How many articles are on the sites before google has indexed them to do well in searches?
    What are you doing to get links quickly?
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Day 14.

      Earnings:

      Adsense: $0.28
      Amazon: $7.62 (funny... someone bought 12 books)

      I'll spend the day adding new content to my sites.

      Originally Posted by fskcramer View Post

      Few questions, how are you getting indexed by google so quickly?
      I don't really know why, but Google always finds my websites days, sometimes hours after launch. Sometimes even before I get a change to add any content to the sites.

      Are you hosting all these on a server of your own?
      I'm currently using 3 separate hosting accounts (VPS + 2 shared).

      How many articles are on the sites before google has indexed them to do well in searches?
      What are you doing to get links quickly?
      I start with ~5 articles and then add more over time.

      And for some quick boost right at launch I social bookmark my sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeonKrey
    Getting excited about this and best of luck to you bay37!

    I have not yet experienced this kind of coding and tweaking that you're doing but it's good to learn few more concepts about starting with social bookmarking then with Wordpress plugins all set up in the process.

    I bet you're going to hit your goal soon!
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  • Profile picture of the author ScottieScott
    Hi bay37. Great job so far on your progress. I love following your progress. Would you mind letting us know how many sites you have up and running as well as how many you have monitized along with your earnings updates?

    This thread has been the most motivation I have gotten in a while. Keep up the great work.
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  • Profile picture of the author RossVegas
    Originally Posted by bay37 View Post


    I go after low to medium traffic keywords (3000-9000 exact match searches per month) and always make sure to register an exact match domain.

    I do not analyse my competition. If I can get an exact match domain, I go for it. End of story.
    Only .com? or do you go for .net, .org or others? if i may ask
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  • Profile picture of the author thinkweb
    bay37 this is very insightful I appreciate the ongoing dates.. Best of luck in your reaching your goal..
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Hi Bay37,

    Just a question for you, just rereading your original post you say that you go for keyword phrases that have between 3000 and 9000 exact searches a month and that you don't really analyze your competition.

    My question is: do you check the number of competition at all - allinurl, allintitle or even just the exact match competition numbers? Do you go for niches with little competition under a certain exact match number or do you not look at competition whatsoever for your keyword phrase?

    I have enjoyed reading this thread and seeing your progress, keep up the good work you are doing well. That is very inspiring for others.

    Thanks for sharing
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      My question is: do you check the number of competition at all - allinurl, allintitle or even just the exact match competition numbers? Do you go for niches with little competition under a certain exact match number or do you not look at competition whatsoever for your keyword phrase?
      Hey,

      Thanks for your kind words!

      As for your question - nope, I do not analyze my competition at all. Perhaps I should be, but from what I've seen so far - most of the keywords that match my search criteria have very low competition. I always outrank other mini sites/MFA sites/articles/some Amazon pages.

      Originally Posted by ScottieScott

      Right now I would be extremely happy with $1.50/day on average for 10 sites. I guess I haven't gotten the formula right for keywords and/or domain names. Building sites is easy, choosing the right keywords, finding a good domain name, and getting traffic is where I am apparently laking skills.
      I'm very sorry to hear that you aren't seeing any success with your sites.

      You are right when you say that setting up the sites is the easy part. You can always do more link building, change the templates or add more content, but you can never go back and change the domain name/main keyword.

      Even if I only spent 60 mins setting up a site (including content creation), I believe most of them would still earn somewhere in the region of $0.25-$0.5/day. Give me a few days - I'll write up a long article on how to select keywords/domain names.
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      • Profile picture of the author ScottieScott
        Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

        Even if I only spent 60 mins setting up a site (including content creation), I believe most of them would still earn somewhere in the region of $0.25-$0.5/day. Give me a few days - I'll write up a long article on how to select keywords/domain names.
        It really isn't that I don't know how or don't have the tools. I have learned some great things from Steven R and his supersimpleblogging. I am getting better at selecting domains, but as of right now, I haven't been able to find any exact match in my niches, and what I still own from before learning better ways, well......they pretty much suck. Maybe I can drive some traffic to them with some keyword specific articles to at least pay me back for the domain name and give me a bit of cash to get some better domains.

        I still look forward to hearing your techniques on keyword research and selecting domains.

        Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author ScottieScott
    Thanks bay37. Right now I would be extremely happy with $1.50/day on average for 10 sites. I guess I haven't gotten the formula right for keywords and/or domain names. Building sites is easy, choosing the right keywords, finding a good domain name, and getting traffic is where I am apparently lacking skills.

    Great job - keep us posted.

    Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author techwarrior
    Had followed you thread, but wished you could provide more details about your SB script. Or, is it something that you could share for a minimal fee?
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Day 17.

      Earnings:

      Adsense: $0.39 (2 sites)
      Amazon: $9.02 (8 sites)

      Been adding extra content to my sites. Some pages now have over 1000 words of content. Hopefully this will help my rankings/increase traffic.

      Originally Posted by techwarrior View Post

      Had followed you thread, but wished you could provide more details about your SB script. Or, is it something that you could share for a minimal fee?
      Hey,

      It's a simple bot that I wrote myself... I always achieve 100% success rates when submitting my bookmarks and they seem to bring in great traffic (around 200-400 uniques over 30 days). I wasn't happy with any of the tools out there, so I wrote my own.

      If I was to sell it, it would certainly be priced at over $100. However, mostly because of the amount of support needed when releasing a product like this, I don't think I'll be selling it, sorry.

      Originally Posted by indexphp

      Any reason why you are mainly monetizing with Adcents and Amazon? Those are... like... the worst ways to monetize an affiliate site. Why not put affiliate offers that are directly related to the demographic in there?
      I'm mainly monetizing with Amazon, true.

      I'm building those sites for the long term. I don't want to be chasing multiple merchants/networks and constantly switching offers. Also, the niches that I'm in are very well targeted towards selling quality physical products.

      When I see a hot new CPA offer I might jump on it quickly, grab a domain name and try to rank for a few keywords fast/cash in if I get lucky, but it never lasts. Amazon is great for set -> establish -> forget sites.
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    Any reason why you are mainly monetizing with Adcents and Amazon? Those are... like... the worst ways to monetize an affiliate site. Why not put affiliate offers that are directly related to the demographic in there?
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    • Profile picture of the author giveatry
      Great work,keep us updated.

      alex
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    • Profile picture of the author chini
      Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

      Any reason why you are mainly monetizing with Adcents and Amazon? Those are... like... the worst ways to monetize an affiliate site. Why not put affiliate offers that are directly related to the demographic in there?
      Amazon yeah, but adsense i would say you a wrong. You could always do a combination of both adsense or affiliate offer, but this depends on your niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author amitoops
    if you r realy in way earnig$50 a day then i wish u get succes in yr work,if any way i can help you then reply me
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  • Profile picture of the author pons_saravanan
    It looks like your movements towards the goal are progressing well.


    I am also a developer and my website is written from scratch. I am really eager to know which automatable bookmark is giving you a good boost over the
    SERPS. I tried few but I couldn't see them even in the Google index after I bookmarked.

    Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author snobants
    Anybody in this Forum was Deleted my "journal". beleave?

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  • Profile picture of the author johnny_h
    bay37 - thanks for this journal, nice work

    I wanted to add to what Crew Chief mentioned about IF - Google Analytics would be one you'd want to add to that list - running Analytics on all your sites from one account is a quick & easy way to tell Google where you are & what you're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author 24kWing
    Thanks for the updates. If all future updates are going to be on your blog it might help if you post a link to your blog here to redirect your readers.

    Just a thought!

    Good Luck with your challenge.
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    How much progress have you made with regards to your goal?
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  • Profile picture of the author PoweWhey
    bay37. Just to let you know that your blog is not accepting comments at the moment. Says that the comment was already posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author blogginginc
    Wait a second, with links from social sites like stumble upon you dont get seo results, since all of the links there are nofollow, you can get referral traffic and get indexed but thats all.
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