Any of you guys using `Link-racer` and how you finding the membership.

Anybody else used link-racer or heard anything good or bad about the service ?

His paypal is shut off ... :rolleyes: that does happen ...

The backlinks results are the key. Are you getting any?

You dont get a report of where the links were placed - you have to wait for them to show up in google or YSE ? Did I read that right?

Ive seen a short list of the sites ... not sure there is a LONG list actually. I could never really tell what I was actually buying - could you? Does he have 150? 250? 500? of 5000 sites to get links from. It was so obfuscated to me its seemed intentionally confusing.

And if this cat is the same drag racing Brian Prins I googled ...

See the similarities? The race car was at one time in the sig/avatar ?
Prison Phone Calls? Pretty sure same dude. Doesnt appear to be dude's first rodeo with a problematic business adventure.

Google

Imma take a giant pass on this one. I had this one in my sites for a larger offline seo consulting gig where we need / want 1,000s of links, across various networks and $$$ is not too big an issue - so we're going for em all. but alas - next.

I'm using SEO Link Vine and so fare 9 days ago I posted 3 articles they have been submitted to 30 sites and only 2 postings have been excepted none have been rejected. And no, I don't write crap articles. ONE EZA article got me over 2,000 visitors in 2 years and still pulls 3 to 4 uniques a week and these articles are of a like quality.

At that rate I will rank a site about once every 20 to 30 years in a competitive niche.

Okay so what i will do here is post a (copy/paste) copy of my support ticket that I submitted to them (Link Racer) when I joined and wanted to know what "Posts" meant on the report that they generate for users.

It is important to remember that I had at this stage submitted 1 (one) article to them, which took 4 days to propagate. This point of only "one article" is important when you get to the response from Link Racer to me, dated Thursday 22nd of April at 10.25pm (I will highlight that post in red)

Here is the transcript of that support communication.

Thu, Apr 22 2010 1:36am - Me to Link Racer
I have submitted one article so far and although it took days to fully propogate, there is still no posts. What does this mean?

Thu, Apr 22 2010 6:39pm - staff to me
I need a copy of the article to look it up...

Thu, Apr 22 2010 6:53pm - Me to Link Racer
I am not sure what you mean. In case you mean you need to see the actual article I have pasted it below.
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Creating a Home Fitness Exercise Program

Creating a home fitness plan can be as simple as starting with what the individuals already owns and the exercises that they already know how to do. Home fitness exercise programs can be as simple or complex as individuals want to make them, from activities that take no extra equipment at all to using the most high tech aerobic and fitness gym equipment on the market. Individuals must analyze what their goals are for the home fitness exercise program and then determine what equipment and cost it will take for them to achieve those goals.

Simple Steps

Every person is different and it is important to find a home fitness exercise program that fits each individual so that the activity can be sustained for life, rather than just as a passing fad or hobby. Everyone needs to have some sort of cardio vascular activity as a part of the workout plan, so different types should be tried to see what works and can be enjoyed in the process. For those with weaker knees, biking can be a great cardio program, although it takes longer to get the same amount of cardio outside on a bike than inside since there is the ability to coast on hills. Walking is also a low impact cardio exercise that allows the individual to be outside while getting exercise in their home fitness exercise program. Jogging and cross country skiing can also be options for the more adventurous and for those who live in colder climates with snow.

For those who like to use and can afford machines for cardio, there are plenty that can be added to a home fitness exercise program, such as an elliptical machine, a treadmill, or a rowing machine. All of these products cost hundreds of dollars, so the individual should try them out before purchasing to make sure it is a valid option for them. In addition, they need to be aware of what room the machine will go into, since some houses are not structurally sound enough to hold such machines on the upper levels. Home gyms are another option for strength work in a home fitness exercise program, such as the Bowflex that allows the user to do over one hundred activities on one machine. These can get quite pricey however, and the individual should be very committed to working out before buying one so that the money does not go to waste on a passing phase rather than a serious home fitness exercise program.

Thu, Apr 22 2010 6:59pm - staff to me
I am going to trace this article on my network now...

Thu, Apr 22 2010 10:16pm - Me to Link Racer
cool thank you. I appreciate it.

Thu, Apr 22 2010 10:25pm - staff to me (remember I had only ONE article)
Look I do not know what you mean by posts but, I do know that you are filling my network with JUNK and duplicate content. You just change the titles and anchor text and resubmit the same stuff... I just checked copyscape and it shows a ton of this. Please either stop submitting this type of garbage content or I will be force to stop you. Now I am sure to turn up the checker because you think your slick and got past it a few times. I do not need that on my network. It is my 50 Grand invested here and I make the rules. So cut it out NOW or please leave...

as you might imagine, this got my back up, and well I am a Kiwi (New Zealander) so I can't apologize for my response...

Thu, Apr 22 2010 10:35pm - Me to Link Racer
I suggest you check your records!! I have only EVER submitted ONE article through this bloody service and to be told any different just highlights your pathetic attitude towards customers. Let me save you the trouble of any more tedious tasks like keeping your clients happy, I will never submit another article to your service, and I will also warn my thousands of clients to avoid this service like the plague. You really need some education in customer service.

If you took the damn time to actually look at the article, it is an article I bought the rights to, it is posted on MY websites, and I used it to test your service - MASSIVE FAIL!

Thu, Apr 22 2010 11:10pm - staff to me
You right and I was wrong. It was submitted by three others and you to make FOUR people that submitted the same article. I just finished checking and was going to to apologize... I am not above being WRONG... I was out of line thinking it was you before checking totally...

That said, I do my best. The thread speaks for itself on my customer service. You think I do not work or something like that??? I answer a hundred tickets PERSONALLY every single day! I give OUTSTANDING service and for you to say otherwise is WRONG... I do my job to help and make sure the security of this network is done correctly to allow all those that are making a living and making other companies they are hired by, RANK and stay there...

You might be angry today because I was wrong but, think how I have to be to keep my SERIOUS investment safe from those that want to do it ill....
Brian

and so the heat intensifies - one thing I hate more than a major cock up is the defense and justification of such!

Thu, Apr 22 2010 11:27pm - Me to Link Racer
Its not about who is right and who is wrong. Absolutely I am angry!! I wrote to you asking why when I check my article status nothing shows up under "Posts" - You go on this rampage of accusations and telling me off like I was a little boy! I am 45 years old and have been in business for more than 25 years. I DO NOT appreciate it when people talk to me as though I was some idiot trying to rip off the world.

Sure I can go someway to understand your position in protecting your investment, but to come out accusing people of things they have not done, is not good for your business either.

To say to someone "you better stop doing this or I will FORCE you to" is a threat, and it does nothing for your reputation. If you are personally answering 100 tickets a day, I suggest that people have problems, and although some of these are not related to service, but more to the payment issues, etc, then this is not my problem.

You have my money, I have submitted one article, and I have yet to understand how I have benefited from this experience. If you would rather I stayed as a client, with renewal approaching in a week, then I suggest we go back to the original question, and allow me to understand how this system is of benefit to me.

All this being said, I still have not got a response to my original question.

There were a few more posts in this thread but all were related to the answering of my original question. The following is the final post I received from the site, and have since ceased to do business with them.

Fri, Apr 23 2010 11:45am - staff to me
THANKS! I look forward to working with you in a PEACEFUL and non-confrontational manner....LOL

I really on meant it to protect the network and really screwed up with how I wrote it to you.... Again, I am sorry.... Brian

End transcript.....

From this you can establish your own interest in dealing with Link Racer. I am not saying that everyone will go through this, but the whole thing took me more than 4 hours to resolve, I copped abuse, threats, and then an apology, all indicating that the entire process was a complete waste of my time.

yeah dodgy dont waste your time with it.

I had it for 2 months and saw 0 backlinks.

Me too bit worrying.

I was in from start and everything went smoothly set up google alerts for every article submitted always got results back.

Now when i submit i get nothing back from google alerts after 3 weeks of waiting.

While I already posted a lengthy response about a series of problems with Link Racer and Brian Prins, today [June 7] I can now report having had exactly the same problem as reported by MomsApplePies: Brian Prins and LinkRacer will continue to charge you even after you cancel the LinkRacer account. I even went the extra mile and after canceling my account sent him a second support ticket to make sure that my account was canceled and that no further charges would occur. On May 30, he sent his usual rude response: "Yeah your canceled already. Why do you need to send it twice???"

I sent it twice after seeing posts from many others on this forum as well as elsewhere (including MomsApplePies) about charges after stopping the LinkRacer account, and that is exactly what he did today [June 7]. Brian Prins does excel at charging for a service that he did not provide even after you have stopped the service! I can only hope that Visa and Mastercard take the same action that PayPal already did (banning his account). But be prepared to take evasive action: if you cancel the Link Racer service, you will need to cancel the credit card that you used if you want to stop the charges from Brian Prins.

Fernando -

Yes, I did have a WSO that delivered to a lot of people, and didn't to some. In which I tried to work hard to get their links to show up. Sorry if you got skipped.

The problem with my service is that I was a partner with about 10 other people, with the creator pretty much overseeing everything.

I worked directly with the creator to implement certain functions in the system to make it better in which he promised me that would be finished. I.e. reports, and other functions.

Well, of course nothing like that happened. And I got fed up. And that's one of the reasons I let go of that WSO.

As far as the cleaning house statement. With any product. You will have people that aren't happy, or if it didn't work out perfectly and if it happens to you, you perceive it as not working period. This happens with many even large companies with recalls such as Toyota and other various toys that had been created and what not. Yes, I had some complaints with that product. I had promises made to me about the upgraded programming which didn't turn out like I wanted.

I was just stating, that Mr Prins, assumed someone reported him to Google for his own wrong doing.

And that's the difference here.

He LIES about someone reporting him to Google.
He LIES about having $50,000 in programming.
He LIES about having an attorney in California so he can pursue a lawsuit. blah blah blah
He DOESN'T have any proof, because NO ONE reported him!
It was all about his Google Adsense that he placed ALL over his network and Google saw him.
He LIES about someone finding his pub code (that's his fault).
He lies lies lies.

Like I said. He doesn't even know the meaning of a footprint.

And then when you try to say something about it he treats you like crap. There's a major difference between him and I.

I mean, when someone calls Paypal to try and get your Paypal account banned by saying you're associated with them. Well, then that's a huge problem.

As far as your links. Go ahead and PM me and I will implement them in the system until you see the results that I promised. I still do own the website, and still can take advantage of selling links. I just don't anymore.

Brian,

All I have to say is proof proof proof.

I will say it over and over again because it is true.

Russ, nor I didn't have anything to do with the de-indexing of your sites.

YES, we made fun of you from it.
YES, we mentioned you from it.

But we had nothing to do with it no matter how much you say we did. We didn't have ANY access to your 2200 sites. If you've been working in the internet for however long you have been, why on EARTH would you disclose 2200 domains to Russ or I? What would YOU get out of it? And why do WE care? Just to get them de-indexed? Yes, that's right. We planned it all with The Legion of Doom just to hurt you and your customers. C'mon man! We already knew that you would fail because we know that you just don't know how to treat people. YOUR karma came back to haunt you and we had nothing to do with it. You did it yourself. I really don't get your reasoning. First you said that you disclosed your 2200 domains to a "friend", and then you now say that we found them from your Google Pub-Code or whatever.

You continue to blame us for your issues and it's really getting old. Maybe your not a fraud, or a scam artist. But you are indeed a liar, have horrible customer service skills and really BAD business ethics. We didn't hurt you or your customers, you did that yourself. You waited for months to tell anybody what was really wrong, so you could plan your ultimate "story" and blame someone else instead of manning up and saying one, your programming sucks, and two, you just didn't set it up the way it should have been.

I looked up your "attorney" but I couldn't find a REAL contact number for a John Mills ESQ in CA. If you could please PM me his email address, I would love to discuss the case with him.

Thanks

How do you find proof that Link Racer did what they said they were going to do after you pay them? Is there some way they can prove they did for you the exact service you paid for?

Please, I need someone to help me know if I got what I paid for.

Thank you