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14 years ago

Yes...and NO.

Because...there are so many people using eg. xrumer...and they wouldn't do it if it would not benefit them in some way.

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Friend,

The only thing XRumer has done for me in the past is get my sites sandboxed.

Let's get real... Most people that use those spam programs don't make a lot of cash (unless they're doing porn or those Crazy Viagra Ads. They're just looking for shortcuts and the quick way out.

Having the power to rank #1 for 60,000+ searches unlimited times in 2 weeks is much greater then what XRumer will bring you.

Automated Doesn't Equal Smart

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Joe,

I strongly disagree and I believe some statements of yours are nothing more than wrong advices that should end for once in WF.

Here's why:

- Don't create massive link wheels... I don't care about what any "Link Wheel Gurus" have said in the past. Don't make over 5 spokes or you're going to get caught and devalued.

Originally Posted by joecrupie

The only thing XRumer has done for me in the past is get my sites sandboxed.

... I'll gladly provide a URL of mine for you to "devalue" with massive link wheels OR "sandbox" with xrummer or what piece of software you choose.

Do you understand WHY your statements fail? Cause IF this was that simple to reserve, people using xrummer will be #1 for realestate or credit keywords CAUSE all they needed was a blast to "devalue/sandbox" their competition and easily grab top spots.

- With software that would be fairly easy to achieve in a couple months even for very competitive keywords. All competition would be gone.

Feel free to ask me a URL for a test. OR use one from my sig and let us know publicly the anchor text you used for the test so we can track data and see what happens.

Fernando

P.S.: So many users came here every week saying exactly what you said... Know what amazes me? Since massive link wheels and x'rummss got YOUR sites in trouble... then WHY didn't you all tried to "devalue/sandbox" your competition and be #1?

:rolleyes:

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fir3d

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Joe,

Do you understand WHY your statements fail? Cause IF this was that simple to reserve, people using xrummer will be #1 for realestate or credit keywords CAUSE all they needed was a blast to "devalue/sandbox" their competition and easily grab top spots.

:rolleyes:

It gets your site in trouble if its the only thing you do. If you have good quality back links and content, then it won't do much for you compared to what you have done already. I think what the poster is trying to say if you open a new site, and blast it with xrumer it won't help you after some time.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Originally Posted by fir3d

It gets your site in trouble if its the only thing you do. If you have good quality back links and content, then it won't do much for you compared to what you have done already. I think what the poster is trying to say if you open a new site, and blast it with xrumer it won't help you after some time.

Sorry, BUT Google IS NOT going to penalize YOU for something outside YOUR control.

People,

I know many of you use software/scripts similar to xrummer. Feel free to join forces and blast one of my sites (choose one) with whatever you want: forum backlinks, profile links, link wheels, press releases, videos, articles... whatever.

Bring it on and show me you can devalued/sandbox my site.

Then I'll be a believer and I'll change my approach: I'll stop being a IM'er and I'll be a "destroyer".

A rich one, that is.

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Joe,

I strongly disagree and I believe some statements of yours are nothing more than wrong advices that should end for once in WF.

Here's why:

... I'll gladly provide a URL of mine for you to "devalue" with massive link wheels OR "sandbox" with xrummer or what piece of software you choose.

Do you understand WHY your statements fail? Cause IF this was that simple to reserve, people using xrummer will be #1 for realestate or credit keywords CAUSE all they needed was a blast to "devalue/sandbox" their competition and easily grab top spots.

- With software that would be fairly easy to achieve in a couple months even for very competitive keywords. All competition would be gone.

Feel free to ask me a URL for a test. OR use one from my sig and let us know publicly the anchor text you used for the test so we can track data and see what happens.

Fernando

P.S.: So many users came here every week saying exactly what you said... Know what amazes me? Since massive link wheels and x'rummss got YOUR sites in trouble... then WHY didn't you all tried to "devalue/sandbox" your competition and be #1?

:rolleyes:

That is the general argument of the community isn't it?

Well here's how I know that all that XRumer stuff is going to eventually hurt you in the long run.

This should settle this issue.

Almost every keyword that I research I see some little exact domain result sitting somewhere in the top 100 SERPS. I usually examine the page only to find that these people have 3,000 Backlinks and are competing for my same keyword, but aren't even in the top 10 results.

Why? Bad, Dumb, Not Smart Link Building... The exact stuff that you're promoting with your XRumers and Spam software. I check the links only to find blog comments and just spam looking junk.

I actually love when I see these people because usually I can crush them in value providing so hard that Google literally drops them off the SERPS for my keyword without me even touching a thing.

Here's the best part.
Within 2 weeks of doing a proper NON-SPAM promotion with my methods, I'm ranked #1 for that keyword with under 100 backlinks.

Wait friend,

You mean that 80 backlinks can get Rank 1 but 3,000 can't?

XRumer days are over.

Joe

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joetheseo

14 years ago

But please keep promoting your XRumer methods... That way we keep the number of Internet Marketers that actually make a living online at 1%.

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

But please keep promoting your XRumer methods... That way we keep the number of Internet Marketers that actually make a living online at 1%.

Don't get me wrong - your advice is GOOD and i myself certainly wrote more than one post already where i stated that quality goes over quantity

But then i also see some sites ranking with crazy numbers of backlinks where is obvious that they xrumer blasted, and i also hear about people who report good results after blasting their ESTABLISHED sites.

The key here is that some SEOs say you can do it without problems if you have a site which is older, say 6 months+, has PR already and many white hat links already.

Seriously, there must be a reason why people buy/use Xrumer, or Senuke for that matter.

Are quality links better? YES THEY ARE - the problem is the time to get them.

I also saw some people claiming that most/all SEO automation software is "worthless"...which is also nonsense if you eg. look at LinkDozer and realize the potential of such software, or what you can do with SENuke. You dont get 200.000 links doing it manually

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Don't get me wrong - your advice is GOOD and i myself certainly wrote more than one post already where i stated that quality goes over quantity

But then i also see some sites ranking with crazy numbers of backlinks where is obvious that they xrumer blasted, and i also hear about people who report good results after blasting their ESTABLISHED sites.

The key here is that some SEOs say you can do it without problems if you have a site which is older, say 6 months+, has PR already and many white hat links already.

Seriously, there must be a reason why people buy/use Xrumer, or Senuke for that matter.

Are quality links better? YES THEY ARE - the problem is the time to get them.

I also saw some people claiming that most/all SEO automation software is "worthless"...which is also nonsense if you eg. look at LinkDozer and realize the potential of such software, or what you can do with SENuke. You dont get 200.000 links doing it manually

Wait, wait...

I never said SENuke was bad.
Use SENuke properly, Don't spam with it.

Without that tool my business wouldn't be around.

I said spamming blog comments is a bad idea,
because that's just the honest truth.

Also I'm not claiming to give away all my secrets,
because as we all know, you've got to be smart to make it in this industry,
I just wanted to prove that link spamming is old and dead.

Think of it like a computer game, play smart.

Joe

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

But then i also see some sites ranking with crazy numbers of backlinks where is obvious that they xrumer blasted, and i also hear about people who report good results after blasting their ESTABLISHED sites.

Hey George could you shoot the examples over to me. I had a whole thread you might have missed where I asked for some evidence on that . Every time I have checked a result in the serps I have found none that were there on the power of a blast. Not in a competitive result at least. Would welcome looking over the sites you are talking about.

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Hey George could you shoot the examples over to me. I had a whole thread you might have missed where I asked for some evidence on that . Every time I have checked a result in the serps I have found none that were there on the power of a blast. Not in a competitive result at least. Would welcome looking over the sites you are talking about.

If you want to discover a few of these yourself start up a "honey pot" forum on a hot Adsense topic. Once you get a little PR you'll get a big list of test subjects.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Joe,

YOU we're the one who said YOU USED xrummer, remember?

Originally Posted by joecrupie

The only thing XRumer has done for me in the past is get my sites sandboxed.

So... I politely asked YOU to understand THIS IS not possible OTHERWISE all xrummer owners would be #1 - all they needed to do was eliminate their competition... one by one... till they get to the top.

But since you cannot answer to this ^^ with a straight face, YOU just posted this expert crap:

Originally Posted by joecrupie

But please keep promoting your XRumer methods... That way we keep the number of Internet Marketers that actually make a living online at 1%.

We could have had a brilliant discussion on how Google - so YOU say - is penalizing/sandboxing websites for something outside of their owners control.... but YOU decide not to answer a single thing I posted above - and those are easy to follow ideas that demolished your theories.

Way to go bro. You're the man.

:rolleyes:

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inter123 14 years ago

What was the strength of competition and how many sites were you competing with?

Originally Posted by joecrupie

Here's the best part.
Within 2 weeks of doing a proper NON-SPAM promotion with my methods, I'm ranked #1 for that keyword with under 100 backlinks.
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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Joe,

YOU we're the one who said YOU USED xrummer, remember?

So... I politely asked YOU to understand THIS IS not possible OTHERWISE all xrummer owners would be #1 - all they needed to do was eliminate their competition... one by one... till they get to the top.

But since you cannot answer to this ^^ with a straight face, YOU just posted this expert crap:

We could have had a brilliant discussion on how Google - so YOU say - is penalizing/sandboxing websites for something outside of their owners control.... but YOU decide not to answer a single thing I posted above - and those are easy to follow ideas that demolished your theories.

Way to go bro. You're the man.

:rolleyes:

You were dis-proven and shut down a few posts ago... You didn't catch it? Here's a quick refresher..

"Bro"

Spamming links to an already authority is WILL NOT HURT IT.. if anything you're probably going to help the site because it's already been put through the Google ringer so many times.

Generally where the average newbie makes the mistake is using XRumer or SB on a new site before it's fully accepted into Google. Yes, this WILL result in sandboxing.

What's accepted into Google mean? I call this is "Above Your Average Spammer" factor that Google factors in before allowing your site to immediately rank 1.

That's how I can get to rank 1 in under 2 weeks, and you can't.

You need a few good high PR links (PR3-4+) in the first few weeks or your chances of getting to rank 1 are going to be lower.

You want me to disprove it? Give me one of your New site URLs (less than a few weeks old) and I'll dis-prove it.

Within 3 days you'll be sandboxed.

Then I'll continue laughing to the bank while you try to scrape up the pennies

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Joe,

YOU we're the one who said YOU USED xrummer, remember?

So... I politely asked YOU to understand THIS IS not possible OTHERWISE all xrummer owners would be #1 - all they needed to do was eliminate their competition... one by one... till they get to the top.

But since you cannot answer to this ^^ with a straight face, YOU just posted this expert crap:

We could have had a brilliant discussion on how Google - so YOU say - is penalizing/sandboxing websites for something outside of their owners control.... but YOU decide not to answer a single thing I posted above - and those are easy to follow ideas that demolished your theories.

Way to go bro. You're the man.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by joecrupie

You were dis-proven and shut down a few posts ago... You didn't catch it? Here's a quick refresher..

"Bro"

Spamming links to an already authority is WILL NOT HURT IT.. if anything you're probably going to help the site because it's already been put through the Google ringer so many times.

Generally where the average newbie makes the mistake is using XRumer or SB on a new site before it's fully accepted into Google. Yes, this WILL result in sandboxing.

What's accepted into Google mean? I call this is "Above Your Average Spammer" factor that Google factors in before allowing your site to immediately rank 1.

That's how I can get to rank 1 in under 2 weeks, and you can't.

You need a few good high PR links (PR3-4+) in the first few weeks or your chances of getting to rank 1 are going to be lower.

You want me to disprove it? Give me one of your New site URLs (less than a few weeks old) and I'll dis-prove it.

Within 3 days you'll be sandboxed.

Then I'll continue laughing to the bank while you try to scrape up the pennies

UnSubscribed cause this is plain useless.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

So... I politely asked YOU to understand THIS IS not possible OTHERWISE all xrummer owners would be #1 - all they needed to do was eliminate their competition... one by one... till they get to the top.

But since you cannot answer to this ^^ with a straight face, YOU just posted this expert crap:

Sometimes this place is like the Twilight Zone. I could have sworn this was answered before this post.

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Black Hat Cat

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Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Joe,

So... I politely asked YOU to understand THIS IS not possible OTHERWISE all xrummer owners would be #1 - all they needed to do was eliminate their competition... one by one... till they get to the top.

I sure hope they aren't number 999,999 out of 1,000,000 competitors. Seriously, I don't think that's quite as rational an argument as you think it sounds.

You also have a lot more faith in what Google says they won't do than I(and a lot of other people) do. Frankly, I'm not that naive. It's not like Google has an aversion to engaging in the stupid.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Do you understand WHY your statements fail? Cause IF this was that simple to reserve, people using xrummer will be #1 for realestate or credit keywords CAUSE all they needed was a blast to "devalue/sandbox" their competition and easily grab top spots.

I'll come to Joe's defense here and answer that since I have answered it many times . Most of the time here on Warriors that is the standard reply that people think proves the point that getting backlinks by automation can't hurt you. It doesn't come close to proving it.

the people that complain about xrummer messing up their rankings and causing them to get what they call "sandboxed" are young unestablished sites with little or no trust. Most sites well established in competitive niche's high in the serps ALREADY HAVE trust and solid HIGH PR backlinks. Nothing that you do by automation is going to remove those links that got them there and the authority and trust they ALREADY have.

That is not the same for a site that hasn't even cracked the top ten much less been around for a year. They never had the amount of natural links to get them high in the serps or the authority.

Its Apples and Oranges, Sure you can't take out CNN or Adobe or even Buy.com or Warrior forums by backlinking. They have positioning already. That does not mean that a new site with little authority and trust cannot be hurt and we have had countless people in this very forum that have attested to seeing their sites drop or disappear for months at a time.

SO no xrummer could not take out all the number one spots because those sites have the insulation of their preexisting authority and Trust. That argument is not the slam dunk people make it out to be. To prove that is the case for an unestablished site you would have to show that mass backlinks cannot hurt those sites. The problem is this forum already has many examples of times it did.

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'll come to Joe's defense here and answer that since I have answered it many times . Most of the time here on Warriors that is the standard reply that people think proves the point that getting backlinks by automation can't hurt you. It doesn't come close to proving it.

the people that complain about xrummer messing up their rankings and causing them to get what they call "sandboxed" are young unestablished sites with little or no trust. Most sites well established in competitive niche's high in the serps ALREADY HAVE trust and solid HIGH PR backlinks. Nothing that you do by automation is going to remove those links that got them there and the authority and trust they ALREADY have.

That is not the same for a site that hasn't even cracked the top ten much less been around for a year. They never had the amount of natural links to get them high in the serps or the authority.

Its Apples and Oranges, Sure you can't take out CNN or Adobe or even Buy.com or Warrior forums by backlinking. They have positioning already. That does not mean that a new site with little authority and trust cannot be hurt and we have had countless people in this very forum that have attested to seeing their sites drop or disappear for months at a time.

SO no xrummer could not take out all the number one spots because those sites have the insulation of their preexisting authority and Trust. That argument is not the slam dunk people make it out to be.

Great response.

Spammers, Why not think outside the box?

Instead of Scrapebox / Xrumer to your homepage...

Maybe there's some other place it could be more effective...

And that's all on that subject... You'll figure it out eventually...

hehe

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thebarksmeow

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

Great response.

Spammers, Why not think outside the box?

Instead of Scrapebox / Xrumer to your homepage...

Maybe there's some other place it could be more effective...

And that's all on that subject... You'll figure it out eventually...

hehe

This right here is spot on and I know what you're talking about. This is how you maximize spamming efforts. Gold.

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thebarksmeow

This right here is spot on and I know what you're talking about. This is how you maximize spamming efforts. Gold.

If isn't for gold nuggets none of us would have businesses right? hehe... I'm glad to see that someone caught that one.

Here's some more

It's funny to me how people would rather argue and defend their spam methods instead of testing out natural link building methods one just one project.

Mix stuff together, take one guy's advice and mix it with someone you heard elsewhere. Get creative, there is no set link plan you need to follow. Make your profiles interweave and think of it like "the flow of the Internet".

If link wheels work... Google expects to see links to profile pages linking to other profiles. Make the spider chase you. Call it link baiting, whatever, just do it.

Don't stick to a certain plan, be creative and make an identity for just that site. What do you think Google SERPS (Algorithm) trusts more?

A. Some guy that's using SENuke to spam profiles with random links to his pages

B. Or the profile that's all the way filled out with a nice bio describing who they are and why they joined that website.

If you've done that, even if you only write one post on there he'd probably feel too guilty to delete you. After all, you took the time to fill your profile all the way out... All of... 5 minutes?

But the core fundamentals and foundation of your site MUST stay solid if you expect to get ranked quickly. You need to quickly build your rapport with Google quickly to make the spider trust you and force your way into the SERPS.

After all, Google is used to spikes in traffic... Who cares how many links you manually do, because manually you can't do to many!

Think about when a commercial comes on TV in a select area, millions of people might come online and type that in at the same time.

What if they showed a Dog Training commercial, don't you think that's a good excuse for your site becoming viral? After all, you're a dog training expert right?

Think of it as constantly commercials all day long. Your site is the best at what it does, even if it's just 2 articles on the home page of an Adsense site.

Joe

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

What do you think Google SERPS (Algorithm) trusts more?

A. Some guy that's using SENuke to spam profiles with random links to his pages

B. Or the profile that's all the way filled out with a nice bio describing who they are and why they joined that website.

It doesn't care. It's a machine. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or trust or like/dislike. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until all sites are indexed and ranked.

The forum owner, being human though, might delete your profile if you look like a spammer, even a clever one that leaves a nice bio.

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

It doesn't care. It's a machine. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or trust or like/dislike. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until all sites are indexed and ranked.

The forum owner, being human though, might delete your profile if you look like a spammer, even a clever one that leaves a nice bio.

I think you'd be surprised with just how "Human" the Googbot really is. After all, Google's AI is supposed to surpass human intelligence in 2020.

Do you really think it's hard to detect link spam?

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Jeremy Kelsall

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

I think you'd be surprised with just how "Human" the Googbot really is. After all, Google's AI is supposed to surpass human intelligence in 2020.

Do you really think it's hard to detect link spam?

Do you think it can differentiate profile link spam from web2.0 spam?

It's all spam, put there for the purpose of getting backlinks. NOBODY has reason to put the *same* type of content on hundreds of different sites unless they are trying to get links...or am I missing something?

You suggest that people use the sites like hubs, blogger, and Squidoo for a bulk of their link building. Unless you've been under a rock, all 3 of those sites have been deleting pages like it's going out of style for the last month or so.

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Do you think it can differentiate profile link spam from web2.0 spam?

It's all spam, put there for the purpose of getting backlinks. NOBODY has reason to put the *same* type of content on hundreds of different sites unless they are trying to get links...or am I missing something?

You suggest that people use the sites like hubs, blogger, and Squidoo for a bulk of their link building. Unless you've been under a rock, all 3 of those sites have been deleting pages like it's going out of style for the last month or so.

Do I think Google's Algorithm can tell the difference between Spam and Non-spam? Yes I do and here's why. Matt Cutts recently said that whenever someone reports link spam he HARDLY EVER does a manual inspection because the spider is so good at detecting link spam.

All he does is send the spider to the website and let it determine if the website has been cheating or not.

So.. Matt thinks the spider can detect link spam, Unless your inside of the "Know" more then him... I'd probably trust what the guy says.

They are probably deleting pages from your IP. If you're using proxies they are probably known spam proxies.

If I use SENuke proxies almost all of my pages will be banned on their public proxies.

I didn't recommend using WEB 2.0 sites as the majority of your links anyways. I recommend finding some good High PR forums.. You probably will need a good solid PR3-4 link within the first few weeks if you want to rank fast.

Think smarter,

Get a clean proxy,

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inter123

14 years ago

ffs...there seems so much to the SEO equation.

Originally Posted by joecrupie

They are probably deleting pages from your IP. If you're using proxies they are probably known spam proxies.

If I use SENuke proxies almost all of my pages will be banned on their public proxies.

Think smarter,

Get a clean proxy,

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bgmacaw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

So.. Matt thinks the spider can detect link spam, Unless your inside of the "Know" more then him... I'd probably trust what the guy says.

It is the business of a general to be quiet and thus ensure secrecy; upright and just, and thus maintain order.
He must be able to mystify his officers and men by false reports and appearances, and thus keep them in total ignorance.
By altering his arrangements and changing his plans, he keeps the enemy without definite knowledge. By shifting his camp and taking circuitous routes, he prevents the enemy from anticipating his purpose.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

Do I think Google's Algorithm can tell the difference between Spam and Non-spam? Yes I do and here's why. Matt Cutts recently said that whenever someone reports link spam he HARDLY EVER does a manual inspection because the spider is so good at detecting link spam.

IF he said that then Matt is doing what anyone in his position would do. Bluff. I dispute what you claim here though. Google just recently asked for more link spam reports SPECIFICALLY because they wanted extra data to fine tune a new anti spam algorithm. So you are off on that as well. If they were so confident of it they wouldn't need to be working on new algorithms.

You make some good points but your are at his point overestimating Search engine technology and that will lead you into bad theory and practices.

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bgmacaw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

I think you'd be surprised with just how "Human" the Googbot really is. After all, Google's AI is supposed to surpass human intelligence in 2020.

I'll worry about it when it says "I'll be back"

YouTube - The Terminator - I'll be back scene -

Originally Posted by joecrupie

Do you really think it's hard to detect link spam?

Yes, as a programmer with 20 years of experience including writing business intelligence and data mining and analysis programs, I do.
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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

I think you'd be surprised with just how "Human" the Googbot really is. After all, Google's AI is supposed to surpass human intelligence in 2020.

Alright fair is fair. You made some good points but with that you just walked off the grid. Total science fiction. Human intelligence is in no danger of being surpassed by machines in less than ten years and you greatly overestimate the humanness of a computer program.
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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

we have had countless people in this very forum that have attested to seeing their sites drop or disappear for months at a time.

The problem with that is that those complaining about this generally didn't build enough links to really matter and/or were trying to compete for very competitive terms. When they lost the initial QDF boost they came here whining about their site on "Mesothelioma" or "Bad Credit Car Loans" being 'sandboxed', blaming it on a handful of forum profile links and blog comments.

I do think that a large number (roughly 10K+) of questionable links pointing to a brand new site within a short period of time can trigger problems. However, most people fall well short of this threshold. Secondly, you can get a lot of links very quickly as long as some of those links are from authority sites. I've seen sites get upwards of 100K links in a month and not suffer at all from it, simply because they had links from trusted authority sites.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

The problem with that is that those complaining about this generally didn't build enough links to really matter and/or were trying to compete for very competitive terms.

Still doesn't explain why their sites fell like bricks just after doing the blast. I'm referring to site owners that knew their rank going in for months and then saw it fall off the planet. I think there was one by KateD a few months back. It came back eventually but it was a long time and it came bck merely where it was b efore the blast.

I've seen sites get upwards of 100K links in a month and not suffer at all from it, simply because they had links from trusted authority sites.

Yes Of course. Its not just the speed of getting backlinks that is the problem it is usually the kind of backlinks that you have to resort to doing a blast. If you go viral with a post and get tons of backlinks in content from high Pr pages thats certainly not going to hurt. If you have to rely on profile links, forum backlinks or mass commenting blogpages (with hundreds of comments) then thats another issue.

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ron.the.bull

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

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Do it right and start making some money.

Can you explain the right way?

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ron.the.bull

Can you explain the right way?

Create website
Social bookmark website
Post Blog comment on a related blog
Post mini blog on PR sites
Create Web 2.0s
Submit UNIQUE Articles
Create niche specific profiles with links
Join niche forums and get links
Create profile link wheels naturally. Let it flow as you find them.
Create 5 spoke link wheels
Find High PR backlinks by searching Google
Stream your blog to Twitter and Facebook
Make a youtube

It's the same stuff that everyone always says... Just find what works for you.

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

Create website
Social bookmark website
Post Blog comment on a related blog
Post mini blog on PR sites
Create Web 2.0s
Submit UNIQUE Articles
Create niche specific profiles with links
Join niche forums and get links
Create profile link wheels naturally. Let it flow as you find them.
Create 5 spoke link wheels
Find High PR backlinks by searching Google
Stream your blog to Twitter and Facebook
Make a youtube

It's the same stuff that everyone always says... Just find what works for you.

Follow this advice.. if you're not building links, you're not in motion.

Go to Google and find some forums related to your niche... Create profiles on Free Membership sites that are related to your niche.

Write a few articles, seed them and submit them everywhere.

Create a twitter and make a post about your site.

Create other social media profiles.. Perhaps a tricky method I've just started doing is posting on some .CA Twitter clones.. because they are DoFollow still.

Blog on some high PR blogs with just a name... Don't even bother with an anchor text, just to get your site indexed quickly.

Create web 2.0 sites like Blogger, Squidoo about your site.

Basically just do clean link building and YOU WILL WIN.

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aictampa

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by aictampa

I really appreciate the information. I am a newbie and having trouble figuring out everything you mentioned.
1) What do you mean by mini blog on PR Site?
2) "Create Web 2.0s" What should I do with them once created?
3) "Create niche specific profiles with links" What are niche specific profiles and where would they be created?

Everything else, I believe I understand. I would greatly appreciate just a little bit more information. The SEO lingo still escapes me.

PS Should I have my blog on my money site or on a web 2.0 site?

1) Any high PR site that allows you to have a blog.. Wordpress.com free blog is an example
2) Create the Web 2.0 pages on Blogger, Squidoo, Etc.. Put links with your anchor text back to your homepage.
3) If I'm making a coffee shop.. I should get involved with Coffee forums.

It would probably be a bad idea to post on a Trucking forum when I'm building a site around Coffee. :p

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beachrat

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

1) Any high PR site that allows you to have a blog.. Wordpress.com free blog is an example
2) Create the Web 2.0 pages on Blogger, Squidoo, Etc.. Put links with your anchor text back to your homepage.
3) If I'm making a coffee shop.. I should get involved with Coffee forums.

It would probably be a bad idea to post on a Trucking forum when I'm building a site around Coffee. :p

I don't know man, you may be wrong here. Truckers drink a lot of coffee.

Just bringing some fun in here. This was a interesting thread to say the least.

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

1) Any high PR site that allows you to have a blog.. Wordpress.com free blog is an example
2) Create the Web 2.0 pages on Blogger, Squidoo, Etc.. Put links with your anchor text back to your homepage.
3) If I'm making a coffee shop.. I should get involved with Coffee forums.

It would probably be a bad idea to post on a Trucking forum when I'm building a site around Coffee. :p

Riiight.....because everyone knows truckers don't drink coffee.

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Johnny12345

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

Create niche specific profiles with links

Create profile link wheels naturally. Let it flow as you find them.
Create 5 spoke link wheels

Find High PR backlinks by searching Google

Stream your blog to Twitter and Facebook

Joe,

I'm confused...

1) What are "niche specific profiles"?

2) How do you create a link wheel "naturally"? (As opposed to what... unnatural link wheels???)

3) How do you "search" for PR5 sites? What do you type in Google's search box?

4) How do you "stream" your blog? Do you simply mean to link your blog to your twitter page?

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

JOECRUPIE

Although I have my fair share of disagreement with parts of your post I have to give you major props. Don't agree with everything but I think the general spirit of it is a lot closer to being right then some would admit.

Just make sure you have flame insurance.

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joetheseo 14 years ago

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- inter123 14 years ago
  
  Thanks for your thoughts.
  
  Just wondering what is the major difference between getting relevant / niche specfic backlinks and not?
  
  Originally Posted by joecrupie
  
  Post Blog comment on a related blog
  Create niche specific profiles with links
  Join niche forums and get links
  
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  joetheseo 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by inter123
  
  Thanks for your thoughts.
  
  Just wondering what is the major difference between getting relevant / niche specfic backlinks and not?
  
  It only makes sense right?
  
  That's why article submissions are so effective with SEO... Your article contains your super relevant content which then is super effective with your SERPS ranking. After all, your article page generally has PR0... and even considering PR Leak - The content included in your article will effect the quality of the backlink you receive.
  
  Same goes with any links. I'm not saying that a link isn't valuable without being relevant, but if the link is relevant Google is going to give it more value.
  
  Yes, Don't freak out. I still do non-relevant links to my pages just for a little extra juice, but I keep them at a bare minimum. I want high quality, value-producing links that Google is going to love forever.
  
  If the content that surrounds your link is related to your site, the spider will see it as more natural as well... So less of a chance of getting sandboxed or other "Google slap penalties" (or whatever you choose to believe in).
  
  I think of myself as "The Lone Blogger" every time I create a new site or Amazon store. What's my identity, how can I use my character to appeal to the market?
  
  Trust me, I'm not telling you to "Only make 1 website and focus on it" Like some "Gurus" do... But you're going to need a proper promotion to get your site ranked...
  
  That's just a fact of life.
  
  Joe
  
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nidjo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

- Don't do links pages. I don't care what sort of "3 Way Links" program you're involved in - Close that account now. I shouldn't even have to explain this, immediately make this part of your business plan.

Listen up guys this is one of the best advices you are going to get. I've had several of my websites de-indexed in the past for this, and it was a service from a very reputable marketing "guru".

Excellent tips, agree 100%!

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fir3d 14 years ago

Great post, thanks for the tips. I've already been following a similar approach, and I think its probably the best way to keep a site ranking high in the long term. Some automated spamming methods do work, but eventually they will get outranked eventually by sites with good links and good content in my opinion.
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usearchme2

14 years ago

hi there

Instead of telling us what NOT To do why not tell us some good habits, after all when i get up in the morning ready for work, I dont make a list of what im not going to do lol !

You could have just put on your post dont SPAM, we all already know that !

Woc

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

You will laugh, using SB, i most of the time still do manual comments, i use SB merely for finding blogs, not so much to "spam" them. If i see a PR5+ i rather take my time writing a meaningful comment because its surely worth it...instead of posting some spun garbage which likely wont be accepted anyway

Also..the blogs where it works (automatically) are USUALLY very low PR, non moderated garbage blogs with ZERO link strength.

To get really good high quality links (via commenting) there is no way around to do it manually, most of the time.

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archkre

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

Recently I've been doing some aggressive testing with SEO tactics and I'm proud to say that I've finally fine tuned my strategy. I've now ranked #1 on a term with 70,000 comp in under 2 weeks. (with a NEW domain). I think we can all imagine that sort of power... hehe

For all you warriors that are killing yourselves with SEO and Linkbuilding without seeing results, here's my best advice.

Smart Link Building

- Don't spam profile links... If you're creating a profile page, spend the time to write out a profile and put up a picture. Getting a link is pointless unless it sticks.

- Don't spam blog comments... Scrapebox is cool but let's get real... You need to be in this for the long term.

- Don't buy links... You're willing to spend $25 bucks for a PR3 link? Get out of here! You should spend that money on articles and blast them out all over the Internet.

- Don't spam anchor text... Let's be honest, spamming that one anchor text for 3 months straight isn't going to get you any traction. Google will sandbox you for being dumb.

- Don't create massive link wheels... I don't care about what any "Link Wheel Gurus" have said in the past. Don't make over 5 spokes or you're going to get caught and devalued.
P.S. - In my testing I've seen dramatic rank increases almost immediately (literally within 30 minutes) from having a properly built link wheel.

- Don't start a war with the Google spider. Become a value provider, not a "Get Rich Quick Spammer".

- Don't do links pages. I don't care what sort of "3 Way Links" program you're involved in - Close that account now. I shouldn't even have to explain this, immediately make this part of your business plan.

Do it right and start making some money.

Wow, in addition: Do nothing!

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joetheseo 14 years ago

Actually a promotion for me consists of about 20 niche specific link sources. (Not including the hundreds of article directories of course)

XRumer and Blog spamming just isn't one of them.
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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

Let's get real... Most people that use those spam programs don't make a lot of cash (unless they're doing porn or those Crazy Viagra Ads. They're just looking for shortcuts and the quick way out.

Now why you gotta go and bring porn into this. Mainstream IM peeps spam far far far more than adult webmasters do. Spam is generally frowned upon by most adult webmaster where it's openly endorsed on forums like this one. You don't have a lot of discussions about profile backlink packs or srapebox on GFY.

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Andy Fletcher

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

Now why you gotta go and bring porn into this. Mainstream IM peeps spam far far far more than adult webmasters do. Spam is generally frowned upon by most adult webmaster where it's openly endorsed on forums like this one. You don't have a lot of discussions about profile backlink packs or srapebox on GFY.

Spam is incredibly prevalent in the porn industry. I guarantee that any technique you see posted here about backlink building, blog farming or whatever was pioneered by someone selling porn, viagra or something similar.

If you don't believe me go do a Google image search for any porn topic you can think of and click a bunch of the links. I guarantee you the results will be dominated by doorway pages, traffic exchange sites, blog farms and far worse spam than anything you see discussed in forums like this.

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hoangthienphuc

14 years ago

Create profile link wheels naturally. Let it flow as you find them.
Create 5 spoke link wheels

Could u drop me a explain more detail ? I'm seo newbie. Thanks!

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Andy Fletcher

14 years ago

On the subject of manipulative link building not being detrimental I think everyone is seeing it from too extreme a point of view when the "truth" (ok, my observations) sit somewhere in the middle.

First of all, let's deal with a big link building myth straight out of the gate. "Manipulative link building can't hurt my site because then I could just derank all my competitors"

GiftCertificates.com was pipped for the number 1 spot by FindGiftCards.com because the latter owned and operated 123counters.com, a free stat counter that handily provided a link back to FGC.com. This scam was outed by Stephan Spencer (founder and president of Netconcepts) and Google swiftly dealt with it to restore order.

Full details here -

Analyzing Competitors' Search Engine Optimization

That article was originally published in 2004 but it was reprinted almost word for word in the recent SEO book "The Art of SEO" because it's as relevant today as it's always been.

Google absolutely do not want you manipulating their search results and have to take action against stuff like this to send a message to everyone involved. "Don't do it"

So there, unequivocal evidence that manipulative tactics can and will get you busted down the rankings ... in some situations.

Matt Cutts' job is to weed out SE spam and manipulation, so of course he's going to tell you that the Google spider is the smartest thing on the planet and to give up before you try .... strangely that doesn't stop a lot of people doing really well with it.

So wait a minute Andy, what you're saying is that manipulative tactics work but they also don't work ... what gives?

My point is that, in highly competitive SERPs, that are widely monitored and receive a lot of attention, direct manipulation isn't going to work. But if you want to do some link blasts to get ranked for "blue widget product redball factory cat" then no, no one is going to care.

So where's the cut off line?

The line is somewhere between where it's profitable for you to do it and where it's profitable for Google to stop you. And that line moves in Google's favour everyday.

So work out what your goal is. If you want to rank this site now (and that's often very desirable) and you are doing so in the long tail, you're going to be alright for a fair while to come.

If you are doing long term corporate SEO then you better make sure the main efforts you put in are above board, Google endorsed tactics and save the spammy stuff for related sites that it won't hurt you if they get canned. A good example being setting up a number of long tail niche blogs to work alongside your client's main website. The main website remains untouchable with long term strategy involved. The niche blogs receive get ranked fast tactics to deliver results quickly and effectively.