So bummed....I have been deranked

by aprilm
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Hello. I am so bummed. I have been working on a site now since the beginning of March, it was originally a sniper site with only one page of three blogs, and an ABOUT, PRIVACY, and CONTACT. About a week after launch, it was sitting at #17, and then over the next month moved up to #6. It had affiliate links on it all along, so I don't think I am being penalized for my affiliate links.

I then decided to create an authority site and started adding content to it and that's when it all went downhill.

Here are the changes I made right before the site fell off the face of the earth on Saturday. (It is still indexed, but is NOWHERE to be found for any of the keywords I was ranking for)

  • Changed the homepage layout from a PAGE to a magazine style and added a featured content gallery. (it is a wordpress studiopress theme)
  • added a 'subscriber' join box
  • cloaked the affiliate links on the product review pages
  • Added a bunch of posts
That's about it. My homepage content changed, but I still have the same title, description, H1 and keyword density as I had before.

Anyone have any insight for me as to what is going on? Did the affiliate link cloaking hurt me?

Thanks
#bummedi #deranked
  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    Things do have a tendency to move around, so don't get discouraged. What is important is you are making a site that is worthwhile. If you get that part right, people will start to not only visit, but RETURN. Once that pattern starts to take place, you will see the rankings improve too. You shouldn't have to feel like you need to "play" with the SEO all the time. That said, make sure you are thoughtful especially of your Title tag and anchor text, and that you are building links consistently over time, but not getting too deep into spammy methods. For example, why not add a link to your site in your signature here? (that should help some with 100 posts, not just SEO but visitors)
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  • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
    Why dont you post your site so we can have a look, cant tell without seeing the site ? the word cloaked did catch my eye lol, if you think its those that did it just remove them and see what happenes when you get re-spidered.

    Could be nothing, might just return in a few days who knows !

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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Ok. I will post the site. Please don't rip it apart though, as this is my first attempt at an affiliate site.

      The story behind the site is this: when i became a mom, I started looking for ways to make money online, and I stumbled across taking paid surveys. That was a few years ago, since then, I made a couple thousand bucks doing it, and am now spreading the word to folks that extra money can be made in that way.

      The product I used to get started was actually a clickbank product, and I decided to create a review site on it, as well as other similiar products....

      Here is the site: www.legitimatepaidsurveyscritic.com

      Like I said, this is my first attempt at an affiliate site, so go easy!
      And by all means, if you see any search engine red flags, please let me know.
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      • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
        Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

        Ok. I will post the site. Please don't rip it apart though, as this is my first attempt at an affiliate site.

        The story behind the site is this: when i became a mom, I started looking for ways to make money online, and I stumbled across taking paid surveys. That was a few years ago, since then, I made a couple thousand bucks doing it, and am now spreading the word to folks that extra money can be made in that way.

        The product I used to get started was actually a clickbank product, and I decided to create a review site on it, as well as other similiar products....

        Here is the site: www.legitimatepaidsurveyscritic.com

        Like I said, this is my first attempt at an affiliate site, so go easy!
        And by all means, if you see any search engine red flags, please let me know.
        April, I wouldn't worry about it too much hon. These things happen all the time. Several of my sites have disappeared for a couple of days and then popped back up on a page closer to #1 than it was on originally. Once you start making changes to your pages and update/optimize things, the spiders take notice and have to "re-calculate" and "re-file" your website in the right place, for the right keywords. Keep building backlinks to it and you'll see it show up again in no time. Don't get discouraged.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    Don't be too worried April, it will come back. I don't think any of what you did hurt it, I think Google is just re-evaluating your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Here are the changes I made right before the site fell off the face of the earth on Saturday. (It is still indexed, but is NOWHERE to be found for any of the keywords I was ranking for)
    I've actually been experiencing this with a lot of my sites over the past few weeks. A couple of sites I had been working on and changing and others have been untouched for months.

    I've also noticed for those sites, when I check up on them in google webmaster tools, I'm getting dashes ( -- ) on the crawl errors instead of numbers.

    Same as with your site, they were indexed, google bots were crawling the sites and even indexing new content but the sites weren't ranking for anything other than some oddball foreign google searches and google image searches.

    So, you're not alone.

    It's something different from the typical google dance as I've experienced it in the past.

    The good news is the sites have been coming back to life. One by one they are returning back to where they were before. It's taken about two weeks from the time they died to when thy came back to life.
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Well, that's encouraging to hear...that the sites are coming back from the dead. I was literally sick to my stomach yesterday when I checked my rankings and ... nothing.

      I was actually starting to get a good number of visitors too!
      I sure hope it comes back....

      So, you guys don't see any red flags when you look at my site? You think it would be a good idea to uncloak my affiliate links and see what happens?
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    So, you guys don't see any red flags when you look at my site? You think it would be a good idea to uncloak my affiliate links and see what happens?
    I use the gocodes wordpress plugin to cloak almost all of my affiliate links and I haven't noticed any issues.

    The most important thing when this stuff happens is not to panic, don't make any rash changes to your site and give it a couple of weeks.

    Unless your site has been banned it will eventually come back. In the meantime, work on a different site. Keeping all of your eggs in one basket is a bad idea.

    Also, when your making changes to your site. If you make a lot of changes at once it hard to know what might be helping or hurting your site. Try to space out the changes you make over a longer period of time. I know this isn't always easy to do but it makes it easier to track how these changes are effecting your sites performance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Titans
    Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

    Hello. I am so bummed. I have been working on a site now since the beginning of March, it was originally a sniper site with only one page of three blogs, and an ABOUT, PRIVACY, and CONTACT. About a week after launch, it was sitting at #17, and then over the next month moved up to #6. It had affiliate links on it all along, so I don't think I am being penalized for my affiliate links.

    I then decided to create an authority site and started adding content to it and that's when it all went downhill.

    Here are the changes I made right before the site fell off the face of the earth on Saturday. (It is still indexed, but is NOWHERE to be found for any of the keywords I was ranking for)

    • Changed the homepage layout from a PAGE to a magazine style and added a featured content gallery. (it is a wordpress studiopress theme)
    • added a 'subscriber' join box
    • cloaked the affiliate links on the product review pages
    • Added a bunch of posts
    That's about it. My homepage content changed, but I still have the same title, description, H1 and keyword density as I had before.

    Anyone have any insight for me as to what is going on? Did the affiliate link cloaking hurt me?

    Thanks
    Don't worry, in our circle we call it double dipping, new sites always double dip. Most of my new sites have traffic graphs that look like /|_/|_/ because google kept throwing them around.

    I don't recommend making drastic changes to your site, because if you do, when the site comes back you'll never know what really worked.

    If it's not back in 2 weeks then start adding new pages to the site every week. In my experience new content shortens the recovery process.
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Thanks guys. Makes me feel alot better. I will hold off on major changes for now. I never thought about making a second site. I have just been working my butt off on this one.

      Maybe I should start. I have so much left to do on this site still though. Argh!

      Guess I will have to just ride out the dips!
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    don't get discouraged - it's perfectly normal for things to move around the rankings before they settle, just keep employing the same strategy and in a few weeks you'll probably see it bounce back up there.
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Just an FYI: I posted this same question over at webmaster forums, and one fellow, a senior top contributor, told me that he thought Google deranked me because I was an affiliate site, and google doesn't like sites that redirect you to other sites. He said that I need to re evaluate my business plan.

      (that obviously didn't help me much in figuring out why my site was deranked) do you guys think there is any truth to what he said?

      Another thing he said was when he clicked on my affiliate links, it brought him to sites that 'acted in an inappropriate' way. And that these sites keep the visitor from having complete control over their browsers. what in the world does he mean by this? I asked him, but he never responded...
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      • Profile picture of the author bay37
        Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

        (that obviously didn't help me much in figuring out why my site was deranked) do you guys think there is any truth to what he said?
        Stop outing your sites on those g*y webmaster forums. The advisors there all full of themselves.

        It's as simple as this - you have changed a lot of things on your site and search engines have picked up on that. Give them a few days/weeks (depending on a search engine) to re-evaluate your site.

        This stuff happens all the time. Wait at least 10-14 days before going into panic mode.
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        • Profile picture of the author Flaura78
          Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

          Stop outing your sites on those g*y webmaster forums. The advisors there all full of themselves.

          It's as simple as this - you have changed a lot of things on your site and search engines have picked up on that. Give them a few days/weeks (depending on a search engine) to re-evaluate your site.

          This stuff happens all the time. Wait at least 10-14 days before going into panic mode.
          I wouldn't panic, either.... Although I am not brave enough to change too much stuff on my sites, at a time. If you have Google webmaster tools, try to log in and look for:
          HTML suggestions
          Crawl errors.
          It might simply be too many "not found" responses as well.

          If it doesn't come back in 2 weeks, after adding loads of content and less aff links, you can submit it to Google for "reconsideration"
          Hope this helps.
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          • Profile picture of the author aprilm
            Originally Posted by Flaura78 View Post

            I wouldn't panic, either.... Although I am not brave enough to change too much stuff on my sites, at a time. If you have Google webmaster tools, try to log in and look for:
            HTML suggestions
            Crawl errors.
            It might simply be too many "not found" responses as well.

            If it doesn't come back in 2 weeks, after adding loads of content and less aff links, you can submit it to Google for "reconsideration"
            Hope this helps.
            I went into my webmaster tools account, and wouldn't you know it, 17 crawl errors. Sigh.....
            Could that get a site deranked?

            Well im not a big fan of those affilate links they do stand out a mile, interestingly why havent u no followed them along with your other external links ??
            I did not know you should do this...how do you do this? Can you point me in the right direction to learn how?
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            • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
              Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

              I went into my webmaster tools account, and wouldn't you know it, 17 crawl errors. Sigh.....
              Could that get a site deranked?



              I did not know you should do this...how do you do this? Can you point me in the right direction to learn how?
              Any links which you think Google won't like (affiliate links, etc), you can "nofollow" simply by adding the following code: rel="nofollow"

              So for example, a normal URL that Google follows would look like this:
              Code:
              <a href="http://yoururl.com">your anchortext</a>
              A nofollowed URL would look like this:

              Code:
              <a rel="nofollow" href="http://yoururl.com">your anchortext</a>
              That way, Google won't give any credit to those links on your site which means potentially there's no reason why they wouldn't let you have an unlimited number of them on your site whereas potentially they might normally penalize you for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    I would have loved to save seen it before. It still has the feel of a one page site. The navigation needs work. Even your navigation should give an indication of what the site is about.

    Your really pack the paid survey keyword in there especially the first half of paragraph four. You need an article that has related words as well as the keyword. Google looks for this. I don't think you are far off. You might even see it rebound without changing anything.

    How long were you at those positions before it fell?
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      I would have loved to save seen it before. It still has the feel of a one page site. The navigation needs work. Even your navigation should give an indication of what the site is about.

      Your really pack the paid survey keyword in there especially the first half of paragraph four. You need an article that has related words as well as the keyword. Google looks for this. I don't think you are far off. You might even see it rebound without changing anything.

      How long were you at those positions before it fell?
      I went steadily form #17 to #6 since the beginning of March. I sat at #10 for a few weeks.

      Yea now that i went back and reread that, you're right! There are a lot of instances of that word. LOL And that's not even my keyword phrase!
      Actually, that article you are referring to (with all the 'paid surveys' in it) was the only content on my homepage for the past month. And I moved up in ranking from #17 to #6.

      I know the navigation needs help, I am not finished with the site yet. I am just kind of at a fear induced paralysis from the serps disappearance.
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      • Profile picture of the author WareTime
        Originally Posted by aprilm View Post


        I know the navigation needs help, I am not finished with the site yet. I am just kind of at a fear induced paralysis from the serps disappearance.
        Don't be paralyzed, correct it now while your rank is still in the tank (poet and I didn't even know it

        Navigation is were a blog/magazine format falls far short for a niche info site. Magazine style looks sexy and are all the rage, but work better for news style sites with many unrelated articles. Your site would be much more navigable with a side bar of links and normal pages rather than the little blocks of a magazine.

        Some pages have the "I'm April... " text in the sidebar and the footer.

        April, here are my suggestions. Orgainize the site in an old style traditional format. Menu on left side with the following links

        How to Find Legitimate Paid Surveys
        How Much Money Will I Make?
        How Do I Get Started?
        No More Scams Please! (was How to Avoid a Scam)
        Paid Survey's To Earn Money (was Get Paid to:

        Go look at some sbi sites to see what type of structure I'm talking about.

        This title needs a rewrite
        3 Tips To Keep You Organized --Terrible title, no keywords that are useful
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        • Profile picture of the author aprilm
          Originally Posted by WareTime View Post

          Don't be paralyzed, correct it now while your rank is still in the tank (poet and I didn't even know it

          Navigation is were a blog/magazine format falls far short for a niche info site. Magazine style looks sexy and are all the rage, but work better for news style sites with many unrelated articles. Your site would be much more navigable with a side bar of links and normal pages rather than the little blocks of a magazine.

          Some pages have the "I'm April... " text in the sidebar and the footer.

          April, here are my suggestions. Orgainize the site in an old style traditional format. Menu on left side with the following links

          How to Find Legitimate Paid Surveys
          How Much Money Will I Make?
          How Do I Get Started?
          No More Scams Please! (was How to Avoid a Scam)
          Paid Survey's To Earn Money (was Get Paid to:

          Go look at some sbi sites to see what type of structure I'm talking about.

          This title needs a rewrite
          3 Tips To Keep You Organized --Terrible title, no keywords that are useful
          Thank you for the suggestions. SBI, is that 'site build it?' I will have to go take a look at some sample SBI sites....if site build it is what you are referring to.

          I know that title needs a rewrite! LOL I totally thought that after I was done writing it.

          Thanks for the advice.
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          • Profile picture of the author WareTime
            Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

            Thank you for the suggestions. SBI, is that 'site build it?' I will have to go take a look at some sample SBI sites....if site build it is what you are referring to.

            I know that title needs a rewrite! LOL I totally thought that after I was done writing it.

            Thanks for the advice.
            You're welcome. Yes, Site build it. They structure their sites well, that is to say the method they use teaches that.
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  • Profile picture of the author skyzeda
    A couple of my sites were de-ranked too in Google yesterday. They are still indexed but not ranking for any keywords. All of my other sites are fine though.
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  • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
    Hi there

    Well im not a big fan of those affilate links they do stand out a mile, interestingly why havent u no followed them along with your other external links ??

    I would be tempted to leave it a while, it might come back, maybe remove the affiliate links at a later date if it doesnt return and see what happens then.

    I think you have a nice site with well written content I can tell you put the effort in and I tend to agree with the bloke on google webmaster forums im afraid, as I dont use affiliate links like that in any of my sites, they stand out so much. Im sure dozens of people will post saying they use them fine however lol, just my opinon anyhow.

    Woc
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    Man can that be a bummer. I'm bummed just because we aren't moving up, to say nothing of moving down. My sympathies.

    ...I read down this whole thread and couldn't help but notice you said you had stuff like "cloaked" affiliates {just links? or what?} lots of paid survey stuff, etc. I've heard Google interprets cloaking as black hat and sites with too many ads as spammy. I don't know if you meant you had a lot of ads on your site or not...just taking a stab at this.

    Beginning of March is also not very long ago. Newer sites seem to often be unstable in the search engines. This actually follows a pattern I see when a big news story breaks. Those pages with the story rise up fast, but once the story isn't new anymore, just try finding them with those same keywords. News articles from 2 or 3 months ago just don't rank highly unless relevant stuff is still going on. Google's search engine has fine tuned itself to informative sites in particular, so this may relate to why non-news pages also show an early rise and then a sudden drop, as if maybe Google is trying to figure out if they're a short term page {news story} or long term page {educational/informative/entertainment etc.}
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    I hear that though it removes outgoing link juice, it still indexes the links {which is fine} and still counts them as OBL's on your site {which is not so good}. All that it does is remove the link juice from the site the link points to. If you have a link farm on your site, putting them all nofollow will still count to Google as a link farm. Or so I have read and heard.
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  • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
    Hi there

    Seems someones answered the no follow tag quite well, just Google it if you need more info just a way of making your outgoing links less important, since your linking to affiliate sites you dont own, why pass them any importance ?

    If you had 100s of errors in webmaster tools then yeah it might be a problem but 17 is nothing, all my sites have something like that number there, so I reckon its not that.

    However no follow your links and wait, as everyone has had a site disapear at some point, get used to it because it will happen again u will panic less as you get used to it lol.

    I read the blokes post on google webmaster forums, it was a quite excellent answer,

    "Good luck with whatever you do but I'll stick with an opinion that bearing in mind you seem to have the ability to create a site, write good content of your own, using those abilities in the current format is an abject waste"

    Ive never had a review anything like that with any of my sites lol

    Woc
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  • Profile picture of the author James Ross
    Hi aprilm,

    That really sucks but I think your rank might recover. It takes google sometime to adjust to your new content.
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Thanks everyone. I guess I will just have to wait it out. I am using a featured content gallery on my homepage, and in the source code, I noticed it is bringing up limited content from each of the posts featured in the gallery. Most of the posts are unrelated to my keyword....maybe I will take out the featured content gallery and add a simple slideshow instead (so that unrelated content won't be on my homepage.) Maybe it is confusing the search engines as to what my homepage is about. Who knows. Other than that, I will just have to wait it out I guess.
      I spent the better half of the evening last night adding the 'no follow' attribute onto my affiliate links. Who knows if that will help or not. We shall see. Thanks for all the encouragement!
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    Congrats, I just did a search and you were #5
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

      Congrats, I just did a search and you were #5
      That's actually not me. Whoever owns that website took my title! LOL I am legitimatepaidsurveyscritic.....they are legitimatepaidsurveysonline....

      Darn! I got excited there for a moment. No, I am still in jail...or wherever you go when the big G is deciding your fate. It's very odd though, i have kept my pagerank of 3 through this whole ordeal. That probably doesn't mean much but....

      Thanks for checking though.
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      • Profile picture of the author aprilm
        I have resurfaced...to 172.....I hope this isn't my permanent home.

        Update: Now at 185. Darn! Not the direction I was hoping for.
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      • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
        Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

        That's actually not me. Whoever owns that website took my title! LOL I am legitimatepaidsurveyscritic.....they are legitimatepaidsurveysonline....

        Darn! I got excited there for a moment. No, I am still in jail...or wherever you go when the big G is deciding your fate. It's very odd though, i have kept my pagerank of 3 through this whole ordeal. That probably doesn't mean much but....

        Thanks for checking though.
        Sorry to get your hopes up. Change your page title as google likes diversity on the first page if possible.

        Toolbar pagerank value only updates every 3 months or so. It actually have very little to do with ranking.

        This happens to me sometimes. When it does I add new pages of content to site and try to vary my incoming link anchor text so it does not look artificial. My sites usually come back eventually, just no telling how long they will be away.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude5670
          Hi

          I just had one of my sites De-ranked strange three years old PR 3 on page 1 for two years in position 2 for eight months.

          I haven't done anything different just added some new content so that can't be it.

          Then out of nowhere, it is gone, and it hasn't been de-index it's a shame the site was making $1200 $1300 a Month.

          It did send a lot of people to eBay. Don't know if they're cracking down.

          It use PHP Bay I have quite a few other sites that are doing the same will be keeping an eye on them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
            Try some list posts / pages.

            21 Ways to Earn from Surveys
            45 Survey Sites that Don't Suck

            Add more value and it will come back.

            Best wishes.
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          • Profile picture of the author aprilm
            Originally Posted by Claude5670 View Post

            Hi

            I just had one of my sites De-ranked strange three years old PR 3 on page 1 for two years in position 2 for eight months.

            I haven't done anything different just added some new content so that can't be it.

            Then out of nowhere, it is gone, and it hasn't been de-index it's a shame the site was making $1200 $1300 a Month.

            It did send a lot of people to eBay. Don't know if they're cracking down.

            It use PHP Bay I have quite a few other sites that are doing the same will be keeping an eye on them.
            Sorry to hear that. That sucks! I hope it comes back! Maybe it was the new content? Who knows...

            Weird thing I got in my email yesterday, it said I had a reply to this post (as I get email notifications where I can view my replies through email) and all the reply said was this:

            "Florida algorithm update. Over optimization of website. Beeee cautious"

            So I came here to read the thread, and the reply did not show up. Strange. Very strange. Wonder if there is any truth to that reply and I wonder what happened to that poster....

            Update on my site: Went from 181 to 520 overnight. this totally sucks!

            Update again: Now 249 (Can I stop dancing now please?)
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  • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
    Hi there

    Hmm have had a bit of a look at it today, I think you should maybe tweek your content a little, its quite hard to spot but you do mention paid legitimate surveys quite a lot lol, and all your images are using the same keywords, at a guess thats the keywords your going for. So you use your 3 keywords 8 times in the first section at the top of your site. Which if you think about it is quite a lot for a 3 word keyword.

    I know its quite hard but you need to make your content look natural, when i struggle I get someone to write it for me, as I do the same and tend to mention my keywords far too often, as i know i need to get them into the content.

    I would say I was probably being picky there as well, as other than that I cant see that much wrong on the face of it.

    Woc
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by usearchme2 View Post

      Hi there

      Hmm have had a bit of a look at it today, I think you should maybe tweek your content a little, its quite hard to spot but you do mention paid legitimate surveys quite a lot lol, and all your images are using the same keywords, at a guess thats the keywords your going for. So you use your 3 keywords 8 times in the first section at the top of your site. Which if you think about it is quite a lot for a 3 word keyword.

      I know its quite hard but you need to make your content look natural, when i struggle I get someone to write it for me, as I do the same and tend to mention my keywords far too often, as i know i need to get them into the content.

      I would say I was probably being picky there as well, as other than that I cant see that much wrong on the face of it.

      Woc
      Yes I was actually thinking maybe I am using my keyword too much as well. I am scared to change anything...I did name all my images my keyword, but maybe I should rethink that. It might appear to be too keyword spammy....

      Thanks for taking a look at it again!

      Update: Oh darn....thrown back into the 500's again.
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      • Profile picture of the author aprilm
        Strange thing: I keep checking my rank with this tool:

        Google Rank Checker Tool Google Position Check SEO Tools Google Keyword Ranking Tool

        and it shows that there is a page on my site (actually it's a post that I trashed so it's not even published now...) but anyway, it's showing up 3 times in the serps, once at 603, once at 703, and once at 803....I didn't know a page could show up more than one time for a given keyword. :confused:

        Just checked again, and the page is also showing at 902 as well....very odd
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        • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
          Well im not a big fan of those affilate links they do stand out a mile, interestingly why havent u no followed them along with your other external links ??
          This was good advise - especially the affiliate links. Cutts routinely mentions disdain for prominent affiliate links that are not made do follow.

          Hey - its a nice looking site. Kudos.

          Have had this happen to me personally - your site is finding its proper place in the serps. Well google is actually doing it - technically.

          Many folks get disappointed and angry when this happens. Their relatively new site is getting an artificial serp boost by a factor thats referred to as QDF. Query Deserves Freshness. Google wants to how relevant FRESH content. Your stuff was new ... as in March right? Looks like the freshness date expired :-)

          Many times it resurfaces in its rightful spot - and many people dont like it - unless its on page one in the top 5 ... but sometimes ya just dont belong there. I thunk you can get on Page one.

          I think you need many more backlinks and content pointing to your site with links that have your keywords as anchor text or you need a smaller group of backlinks on other pages that have PR 4+.

          I would be linkbuilding now and wouldnt stop ...
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          • Profile picture of the author aprilm
            lol my advice is to stop checking on it
            I know! I am obsessed. LOL

            Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

            This was good advise - especially the affiliate links. Cutts routinely mentions disdain for prominent affiliate links that are not made do follow.

            Hey - its a nice looking site. Kudos.

            Have had this happen to me personally - your site is finding its proper place in the serps. Well google is actually doing it - technically.

            Many folks get disappointed and angry when this happens. Their relatively new site is getting an artificial serp boost by a factor thats referred to as QDF. Query Deserves Freshness. Google wants to how relevant FRESH content. Your stuff was new ... as in March right? Looks like the freshness date expired :-)

            Many times it resurfaces in its rightful spot - and many people dont like it - unless its on page one in the top 5 ... but sometimes ya just dont belong there. I thunk you can get on Page one.

            I think you need many more backlinks and content pointing to your site with links that have your keywords as anchor text or you need a smaller group of backlinks on other pages that have PR 4+.

            I would be linkbuilding now and wouldnt stop ...

            Thanks for the kudos! Looks like I may have been on a QDF honeymoon. I think I can get onto page one too, I did alot of keyword research before I decided on the main keyword.

            I know I need to start back linking. I have been researching how to get quality backlinks, and I have come across Angela's forum profile backlinks and blog commenting....but I am not sure if those kinds of backlinks would be considered high quality or not. What other kind are there? (I know that question must sound SO newbi-ish LOL)

            I actually made all my aff links no follow the other night.

            You said that Matt Cutts regularly shows disdain for prominent affiliate links. Does he recommend cloaking them?
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  • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
    lol my advice is to stop checking on it, yup it looked spammy to me after i looked deeper, just keep working at your content, I think you defo over done it a bit on the keywords, try not to have any content that just repeats what you have already said, the key is always good quality, just say what you need to say dont over say or under say anything.

    Woc
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  • Profile picture of the author jficarro
    I think your site looks great. I see no obvious problems with your onpage SEO, but would always make the outbound affiliate links "nofollow" if they are not.

    One thing that "may" be a concern: I think you should use this plug in for your privacy page WordPress › Easy Privacy Policy WordPress Plugins You can add anything you want to it, but it contains the language that Google insists we put into websites that run adsense -- I know you don't have adsense -- but google is attempting to make the searches as "safe" and "relevant" as possible, so they really like to see TOS, Privacy Policy, etc.

    As a side note, for esthetical reasons, I would put in the footer instead of the nav.

    Also, I can't believe you aren't backlinking, posting, bookmarking, etc. Off site SEO is very very important to SERP. Angela's packages are great or you can easily find your own. It's also very effective to do some natural commenting with sigs, create web 2 sites/free blogs that link to your site, write articles, do videos. You can't underestimate the power of SEO fundamentals.

    If you need help with the offsite SEO, let me know. You'll get it back. Don't worry, it happens to the best of us.
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

      I think your site looks great. I see no obvious problems with your onpage SEO, but would always make the outbound affiliate links "nofollow" if they are not.

      One thing that "may" be a concern: I think you should use this plug in for your privacy page WordPress › Easy Privacy Policy WordPress Plugins You can add anything you want to it, but it contains the language that Google insists we put into websites that run adsense -- I know you don't have adsense -- but google is attempting to make the searches as "safe" and "relevant" as possible, so they really like to see TOS, Privacy Policy, etc.

      As a side note, for esthetical reasons, I would put in the footer instead of the nav.

      Also, I can't believe you aren't backlinking, posting, bookmarking, etc. Off site SEO is very very important to SERP. Angela's packages are great or you can easily find your own. It's also very effective to do some natural commenting with sigs, create web 2 sites/free blogs that link to your site, write articles, do videos. You can't underestimate the power of SEO fundamentals.

      If you need help with the offsite SEO, let me know. You'll get it back. Don't worry, it happens to the best of us.
      Thanks for the plug in suggestion, I will have to go check that out. Yea, you're right, the privacy policy should be in the footer.

      As of now, all outbound aff links are nofollow. Thanks to all you helpful folks, I spent a night on it and they are all taken care of.

      As far as backlinking, I actually do subscribe to Angela's backlinks, and have created about 30 backlinks from her packets so far. I then ended up on a blacklist over at stopforumspam.com so I have been rethinking that strategy.

      I have some web 2.0 properties linking to my site, problem is, nothing is going on with them (I haven't done much with them, just created them and posted once on each) I think my weebly blog is doing the best at a whole 5 visitors to date! :p

      I also did a video, but it was very bad. It was so bad my husband even told me I probably should not use it. It's still on YouTube, and it still links to my site, but really, no one in there right mind would watch it. It's 4 long minutes of me looking really sleepy and unmotivated.

      I have about 3 GoArticles and 2 eZine articles linked to my site, and I have also done some blog commenting here and there.

      So my backlinking campaign is not completely dead....just not completely alive and well. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author jficarro
        Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but.... you didn't say you were on a blacklist for spam. Not familiar with that site, but that could possibly be the problem. I would consider contacting them in a professional manner and possibly explaining to them that you were not intending on spamming. Trace your steps back and see where the problem occured.

        Thats why I do forum and blog posts very carefully and include pics and bios and when and if I comment, I make sure it is because I have something to say.

        Please check into that, it may be the cause of your problem.

        Also, I think you should post your video here, so we can tease you. lol
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        • Profile picture of the author aprilm
          Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

          Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but.... you didn't say you were on a blacklist for spam. Not familiar with that site, but that could possibly be the problem. I would consider contacting them in a professional manner and possibly explaining to them that you were not intending on spamming. Trace your steps back and see where the problem occured.

          Thats why I do forum and blog posts very carefully and include pics and bios and when and if I comment, I make sure it is because I have something to say.

          Please check into that, it may be the cause of your problem.

          Also, I think you should post your video here, so we can tease you. lol

          No way jose! You guys would shake your heads and think 'there is absolutely no hope for this girl!'

          I actually did get my IP removed from the blacklist, which can be found at Stop Forum Spam. I don't think it's an authority site, but it was pretty scary to get the google alert that my IP was reported. I went to the site, filled out a simple request to be taken off the list, and it removed me right there. I dug a little deeper and discovered which forum had reported me....so whaddya gonna do eh?

          FWIW, my rankings dropped days before I even created that blacklisted link, so I don't think that has much to do with it. But who knows.
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  • Profile picture of the author oneims
    I have also experienced that before with the site I'm working on.

    Here are few questions that you can evaluate in this scenario.
    1. How competitive are your keywords?
    2. How many links did you lost?
    3. How often do you build links?

    If you haven't seen any problem after answering these questions. I'm sure your site will go back to its rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Hello April

      I hope your site are doing better now.

      From my experience, I think I know the problem that made all this chaos

      It's the SudioPress theme you shifted to.

      I used to use these themes on my blog, they have the best looking and layout, until I was warned by a friend that these themes are SEO disasters, they are badly coded and these code errors cause huge problems with serps..

      As I changed to other themes (mainly Flexsqueeze), my sites showed a significant seo improvement, and my SEO work started to make a difference.

      This is my personal experience, no bashing for sudiopress themes, but if you can use another theme (flexsqueeze is highly recommended), then you shall make this change as soon as possible.

      Wish this helps

      A Bary
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      • Profile picture of the author aprilm
        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        Hello April

        I hope your site are doing better now.

        From my experience, I think I know the problem that made all this chaos

        It's the SudioPress theme you shifted to.

        I used to use these themes on my blog, they have the best looking and layout, until I was warned by a friend that these themes are SEO disasters, they are badly coded and these code errors cause huge problems with serps..

        As I changed to other themes (mainly Flexsqueeze), my sites showed a significant seo improvement, and my SEO work started to make a difference.

        This is my personal experience, no bashing for sudiopress themes, but if you can use another theme (flexsqueeze is highly recommended), then you shall make this change as soon as possible.

        Wish this helps

        A Bary

        Really! No kidding. Wow. I had no idea. I will have to look into that. Did your friend expound at all on what the coding problems were exactly?
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      • Profile picture of the author inter123
        This is why it so much better to learn HTML and code your site on Notepad or the like.

        With some external software, you have no idea what is going on. Unless someone is prepared to look at at the modules to understand how its been put together. Very time cosuming even if in the loop with HTML, CSS and Pearl.

        Using Wordpress is like handing over your Adsense account over to some third party allowing them to do what they want with it.

        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        From my experience, I think I know the problem that made all this chaos

        It's the SudioPress theme you shifted to.
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  • Profile picture of the author rvrabel2002
    April, I know how you feel....man do I ever....this business is tough. I have been at it for so long, probably about a year now, and i finally came across something that was earning me a solid $100 a day profit...then, all of a sudden today, my adwords account (thats google speak for paid advertisements on google), is under review.

    After finnally speaking with a google rep today, i have an idea of what is wrong, but now my account is at risk of being closed. IT sucks to work so hard for so long, and finally make it to a comfortable position, only to see it blasted away by an algorithm...

    My point is, do you think I stopped today? Do you think, after just going from $100 a day to nothing, I just threw in the towel and said "to hell with internet marketing"? No, I worked on some other sites, added content to a few blogs, emailed about 2 dozen website owners about a possible joint venture, and did research on another tactic.

    The point of my post is not to help you with your site, you have enough great suggestions from our fellow warriors. You just need to keep on truckin...keep on making sites, keep on building backlinks, keep on writing articles, keep making videos, keep doing whatever it is you do to drive traffic to your site. Eventually, you'll hit a sweet spot that will show you there is some truth to this whole internet marketing fuss.

    I was gonna pm you this, but figured some newbies could use some inspiration. I hope it helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by rvrabel2002 View Post

      April, I know how you feel....man do I ever....this business is tough. I have been at it for so long, probably about a year now, and i finally came across something that was earning me a solid $100 a day profit...then, all of a sudden today, my adwords account (thats google speak for paid advertisements on google), is under review.

      After finnally speaking with a google rep today, i have an idea of what is wrong, but now my account is at risk of being closed. IT sucks to work so hard for so long, and finally make it to a comfortable position, only to see it blasted away by an algorithm...

      My point is, do you think I stopped today? Do you think, after just going from $100 a day to nothing, I just threw in the towel and said "to hell with internet marketing"? No, I worked on some other sites, added content to a few blogs, emailed about 2 dozen website owners about a possible joint venture, and did research on another tactic.

      The point of my post is not to help you with your site, you have enough great suggestions from our fellow warriors. You just need to keep on truckin...keep on making sites, keep on building backlinks, keep on writing articles, keep making videos, keep doing whatever it is you do to drive traffic to your site. Eventually, you'll hit a sweet spot that will show you there is some truth to this whole internet marketing fuss.

      I was gonna pm you this, but figured some newbies could use some inspiration. I hope it helps.
      I totally needed this today! Thanks for your inspiration. I am so sorry to hear your Adwords account might get closed. What a blow! It IS hard. When I first started this journey, I thought, how hard could making money on the internet actually be? Your potential customers are....the WHOLE WORLD. But there is such a huge learning, trial and error, fail, come back, and fail even harder curve to it, I can totally see why people just end up throwing in the towel.

      First ya' gotta find the right keywords... lots of searches, minimal competition, can ya' get on page 1? Who knows.

      Then ya' gotta learn how to build a website... both suitable for high organic search engine rankings and the human eye....(for which I may go bald soon from pulling my hair out trying to accomplish)

      Now that you have a kick arse website, you need a kick arse product or service with GREAT ad copy, or no one is going to bother noticing all your hard work.

      Then the backlinking begins....articles, forum posts, blog comments, directory links....really bad videos.....linkwheels,

      There's just so many hats you need to wear to be in IM. And you need to become an expert at each part of the game.

      I am not going to give up. I have spent ALL my free time on this, and I am not ready to just tank it all. Like a previous poster said, MY RANK IS IN THE TANK.....but I will keep truckin

      Thanks so much for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    Hi April, I just wanted to share this with you. I learned early on in my IM career that if I spent countless hours/days obsessing over one sites rankings I would be headed nowhere fast.

    In this business you really can't have all of your eggs in one basket. I tend to work on at the very minimum three sites at a time. I do this for many reasons, 1. I need to keep myslef as busy as possible, 2. if one site doesn't perform well I dont have to worry about it as much as I have plenty others to work on, and 3. I don't ever want my entire income to be dependent on the success of one site.

    Google is a very unreliable monopolistic beast... On any day of the week some of my higher earning pages can rank anywhere from #1 to #20 and it gets worse for newer sites.

    This is why I focus on building so much virtual real estate. Of course it is nice to have that one huge mansion but when hurricane google rolls through and blows your house down you have to have a backup plan.

    My advise to you is to start working on another site or two while you continue to build links to this one. This will help you to keep your mind off of this sites ranking, bring in more income, and learn more by not making the same mistakes with the new sites that you may have with this one. As you continue to build more you will start to realize little by little things that you did wrong the last go round and improve on them.

    BTW I think your site look nice and I can tell you have worked pretty hard on it, unfortunately there is a such thing as trying "too hard". If the site is more of a labor of love then a potential cash cow then you should continue to focus all of your efforts on it. If not then do as you said and keep on truckin (to your next site) this site will reappear in the near future so long as you build links to it consistently, but in the meantime don't get hung up on it...

    Good Luck...

    Gary..
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

      Hi April, I just wanted to share this with you. I learned early on in my IM career that if I spent countless hours/days obsessing over one sites rankings I would be headed nowhere fast.

      In this business you really can't have all of your eggs in one basket. I tend to work on at the very minimum three sites at a time. I do this for many reasons, 1. I need to keep myslef as busy as possible, 2. if one site doesn't perform well I dont have to worry about it as much as I have plenty others to work on, and 3. I don't ever want my entire income to be dependent on the success of one site.

      Google is a very unreliable monopolistic beast... On any day of the week some of my higher earning pages can rank anywhere from #1 to #20 and it gets worse for newer sites.

      This is why I focus on building so much virtual real estate. Of course it is nice to have that one huge mansion but when hurricane google rolls through and blows your house down you have to have a backup plan.

      My advise to you is to start working on another site or two while you continue to build links to this one. This will help you to keep your mind off of this sites ranking, bring in more income, and learn more by not making the same mistakes with the new sites that you may have with this one. As you continue to build more you will start to realize little by little things that you did wrong the last go round and improve on them.

      BTW I think your site look nice and I can tell you have worked pretty hard on it, unfortunately there is a such thing as trying "too hard". If the site is more of a labor of love then a potential cash cow then you should continue to focus all of your efforts on it. If not then do as you said and keep on truckin (to your next site) this site will reappear in the near future so long as you build links to it consistently, but in the meantime don't get hung up on it...

      Good Luck...

      Gary..
      Thanks Gary. I think you bring up so many good points. I actually hadn't thought of working on another site/sites until this thread started. I hardly have any free time to begin with (as I have a 2 year old running around here monopolizing every second of my day....which I am not complaining, I wouldn't have it any other way) so getting this far with just one site has been a HUGE accomplishment.

      But I think I will take this time to think about some other niches and maybe throw up another site. I have no idea what niche to even consider, as the only topic I am really passionate about right now is learning affiliate marketing....but that topic is probably SO oversaturated. Maybe I just need to find my own angle on it.

      Unfortunately, it has been over a week and my site is still gone.....it is still teetering between 500 and 600.....maybe this is a sign that I shouldn't be in this niche. LOL

      Thanks for your input
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  • Profile picture of the author Techguy
    Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

    Here are the changes I made right before the site fell off the face of the earth on Saturday. (It is still indexed, but is NOWHERE to be found for any of the keywords I was ranking for)

    • Changed the homepage layout from a PAGE to a magazine style and added a featured content gallery. (it is a wordpress studiopress theme)
    • added a 'subscriber' join box
    • cloaked the affiliate links on the product review pages
    • Added a bunch of posts
    I just created a post about porn infected studiopress themes that I downloaded for free. I have no idea if this applies to your theme but your post reminded me to warn people about my findings. You might want to check although I have no idea if an infected theme would affect your rankings.

    Techguy
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by Techguy View Post

      [/LIST]I just created a post about porn infected studiopress themes that I downloaded for free. I have no idea if this applies to your theme but your post reminded me to warn people about my findings. You might want to check although I have no idea if an infected theme would affect your rankings.

      Techguy

      Thanks for that heads up TechGuy! I thoroughly inspected my files, didn't find anything....hope I didn't miss anything.
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      • Profile picture of the author aprilm
        Oooook.....so I just checked, and unless my search results are skewed, I am now #7 for my keyword. It has been 10 days exactly since I dropped off. But maybe I am back in the game again.....maybe it was just the google dance everyone speaks of. :rolleyes: Now......to make some money!

        Thank all of you for all your help and support, I am working on site #2 thanks to all the great advice I got here on this thread. And looking to organize my info better as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    Congrats...
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  • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
    Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

    Hello. I am so bummed. I have been working on a site now since the beginning of March, it was originally a sniper site with only one page of three blogs, and an ABOUT, PRIVACY, and CONTACT. About a week after launch, it was sitting at #17, and then over the next month moved up to #6. It had affiliate links on it all along, so I don't think I am being penalized for my affiliate links.

    I then decided to create an authority site and started adding content to it and that's when it all went downhill.

    Here are the changes I made right before the site fell off the face of the earth on Saturday. (It is still indexed, but is NOWHERE to be found for any of the keywords I was ranking for)

    • Changed the homepage layout from a PAGE to a magazine style and added a featured content gallery. (it is a wordpress studiopress theme)
    • added a 'subscriber' join box
    • cloaked the affiliate links on the product review pages
    • Added a bunch of posts
    That's about it. My homepage content changed, but I still have the same title, description, H1 and keyword density as I had before.

    Anyone have any insight for me as to what is going on? Did the affiliate link cloaking hurt me?

    Thanks

    April,

    If you're working with a new domain then it's completely normal for this type of stuff to happen. Google is going to re-evaluate your site several times over the first few months that you have content on the site. Research the "Google Dance" for more information about that.

    We experienced a DRAMATIC 90 rank DROP in one of our sites. It went from rank 8 to rank 98... But it came back 5 days later and was rank 4!

    I recommend this sneaky strategy... Make like 3 Ezines and put back links to your site... 1 with the anchor text and one using the full URL as the anchor text.


    Google LOVES Ezines and I bet this will have your site back in the SERPS after a few days. AT least, that's what we did to our site when we experienced the drop off,good luck!

    Joe
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by joecrupie View Post

      April,

      If you're working with a new domain then it's completely normal for this type of stuff to happen. Google is going to re-evaluate your site several times over the first few months that you have content on the site. Research the "Google Dance" for more information about that.

      We experienced a DRAMATIC 90 rank DROP in one of our sites. It went from rank 8 to rank 98... But it came back 5 days later and was rank 4!

      I recommend this sneaky strategy... Make like 3 Ezines and put back links to your site... 1 with the anchor text and one using the full URL as the anchor text.


      Google LOVES Ezines and I bet this will have your site back in the SERPS after a few days. AT least, that's what we did to our site when we experienced the drop off,good luck!

      Joe

      Hey thanks Joe for the advice. If (hopefully it doesn't) this happens again, I will do what you suggested right away. Good luck with all your sites, glad to hear the one came back and is at #4!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    ^^^ Did you even bother to read the last post?:rolleyes:
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