Do SEO experts think of retaining the traffic?

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I had this thing going on in mind last night. What id the credibility of the high pageranked sites on search engines? Getting high pagerank is not a difficult things these days with increasing number of SEO experts. All they need to do is get more number of backlinks, submit articles to different directories with their links, use linkvana for link building and there are hell number of ways. But do they think about providing quality and establishing credibility. Look at it with the visitor's point of view. High pageranks can get the visitors only for the first time, what about the retention of that visitor? Do SEO experts think of that thing? All I can get from the scenario is that SEO ends up getting high pageranks and more traffic. That's it. What is your take on that?
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    by high pageranks, I'm assuming you are referring to search engine ranking and not google page rank.

    You seem to be implying that those of us who like to chit chat about SEO aren't concerned about the quality of our sites and content, which isn't necessarily the case.

    Quality content, time on site, number of impressions and return visits are all important factors in my little world of SEO.

    I wont deny that some people seem to be too wrapped-up with getting on the first page of google without giving enough thought to what they are going to go with that traffic when they get it but I don't think that is the majority of serious IMerz.

    Everything is a piece of a larger puzzle and what pieces you need depends on what the goals of your site are.

    For some people, traffic = click on adsense ad = mission complete.

    For others who are trying to sell a product they need a site and content that will convince their visitors to BUY BUY BUY.

    And for others who run ads, they need a high volume of traffic and page impression to cash in on their CPM (cost per thousand impressions)

    And there are the creepy list builders who's only intent is to gather as many emails as they can so they can spam those poor souls until the end of time with Dear friend, you must buy this product or Jesus will kill a kitten junk mail.

    It all comes down to what game you're playing and there are a lot of ways to play the internet marketing game.
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    • Profile picture of the author blogginginc
      Well. That depends on the "seo expert". Because, if you just have a crappy one page sit, with a landing page prepared to sell a crappy product. And then you hire seo services to rank first for a particular work, it is the decision of the "seo expert" to do this work or not. Their focus is to make you rank for keywords or get traffic from other sources/sites. Of course, they can refuse to make the work or at least tell you....hey the visitor is goona come once to your site, get something better.

      In other words, YOU should be thingking of retaining the visitor, not the "seo expert"
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      • Originally Posted by blogginginc View Post

        Well. That depends on the "seo expert". Because, if you just have a crappy one page sit, with a landing page prepared to sell a crappy product. And then you hire seo services to rank first for a particular work, it is the decision of the "seo expert" to do this work or not. Their focus is to make you rank for keywords or get traffic from other sources/sites. Of course, they can refuse to make the work or at least tell you....hey the visitor is goona come once to your site, get something better.

        In other words, YOU should be thingking of retaining the visitor, not the "seo expert"
        Just one question.. and please try answering it in one word.. what would you call one who helps someone in the sin ?
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    • Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      by high pageranks, I'm assuming you are referring to search engine ranking and not google page rank.

      You seem to be implying that those of us who like to chit chat about SEO aren't concerned about the quality of our sites and content, which isn't necessarily the case.

      Quality content, time on site, number of impressions and return visits are all important factors in my little world of SEO.

      I wont deny that some people seem to be too wrapped-up with getting on the first page of google without giving enough thought to what they are going to go with that traffic when they get it but I don't think that is the majority of serious IMerz.

      Everything is a piece of a larger puzzle and what pieces you need depends on what the goals of your site are.

      For some people, traffic = click on adsense ad = mission complete.

      For others who are trying to sell a product they need a site and content that will convince their visitors to BUY BUY BUY.

      And for others who run ads, they need a high volume of traffic and page impression to cash in on their CPM (cost per thousand impressions)

      And there are the creepy list builders who's only intent is to gather as many emails as they can so they can spam those poor souls until the end of time with Dear friend, you must buy this product or Jesus will kill a kitten junk mail.

      It all comes down to what game you're playing and there are a lot of ways to play the internet marketing game.
      Yes that's the point I wanna make.. its all about what kind of game you wanna play. But I see most of so called SEO experts are those three kinds what you mentioned. We can't help it. God helps our Poor customer..
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  • Profile picture of the author websitemrktg
    Most of the forum posters and websites with any kind of authority tend to put an emphasis on content and quality so I would have to say yes. Like anything else you will always find someone trying to take a short cut, because this is the internet you will see it a lot more. It makes sense to pay attention to this if you are going to have customers that come back. Those are the people I try to follow and really pay attention to. Other than that I don't really care what others do (for the most part). I just try to keep learning.
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    • Originally Posted by websitemrktg View Post

      Most of the forum posters and websites with any kind of authority tend to put an emphasis on content and quality so I would have to say yes. Like anything else you will always find someone trying to take a short cut, because this is the internet you will see it a lot more. It makes sense to pay attention to this if you are going to have customers that come back. Those are the people I try to follow and really pay attention to. Other than that I don't really care what others do (for the most part). I just try to keep learning.
      Talking in business terms only.. organizations worldwide are giving same importance to retaining the customers along with attracting new customers. I really wanted to have take of WF members on this issue if SEOs also think in the same way. I'm glad that there are persons who still think that there is something beyond just getting more traffic unlike many others
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Originally Posted by theperfectstrategy View Post

    But do they think about providing quality and establishing credibility.
    SEO is essentially aimed at first time traffic building. What happens after that depends on the site. I like to use a magazine analogy.

    Some magazines are chocked full of great information, such as The Economist, while others are almost pure advertising, like the freebie advertiser magazine in the rack outside a store. If you want authoritative information on how regional politics are going to affect cocoa futures next year, you go to The Economist. If you want a coupon for Joe's Deli, you don't go to there but to a local freebie mag. Each publication is geared toward a target audience and is distributed with that in mind.

    When building a site and doing SEO to bring traffic it is important to understand who your target audience is and who your customer is. In some cases, the customer may be the search visitor. In others, the real customer is the advertiser, not the visitor. The better you target this up front, the better you will do.
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    • Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      SEO is essentially aimed at first time traffic building. What happens after that depends on the site. I like to use a magazine analogy.

      Some magazines are chocked full of great information, such as The Economist, while others are almost pure advertising, like the freebie advertiser magazine in the rack outside a store. If you want authoritative information on how regional politics are going to affect cocoa futures next year, you go to The Economist. If you want a coupon for Joe's Deli, you don't go to there but to a local freebie mag. Each publication is geared toward a target audience and is distributed with that in mind.

      When building a site and doing SEO to bring traffic it is important to understand who your target audience is and who your customer is. In some cases, the customer may be the search visitor. In others, the real customer is the advertiser, not the visitor. The better you target this up front, the better you will do.
      OK.. so this means you simply do not think about the quality aspect when the target audience is just the advertisers. Your attention towards quality goes when you are targeting the search visitor. Is it ?
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by theperfectstrategy View Post

        OK.. so this means you simply do not think about the quality aspect when the target audience is just the advertisers. Your attention towards quality goes when you are targeting the search visitor. Is it ?
        It depends on what you think of as 'quality'.

        Do you think sites like thefind.com, nextag.com and such provide quality content? Or do they simply display well SEO'ed pages with minimal content designed to redirect visitors to advertisers sites?

        You probably won't be creating compelling Pulitzer prize winning articles for a niche advertising site. However, this doesn't mean that you can ignore quality entirely. Google will deindex thin affiliate sites upon discovery and their anti-spam team has tools they use to search for them. So, unless you're a big player with a lot of venture capital money from current and former Google employees, you need to give at least some attention to the quality of your content and site design.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I think talking about SEO and talking about what you do with the page you SEO'd are 2 different conversations.

    So, maybe it seems to you that people who talk about SEO aren't concerned with providing quality and establishing credibility but it could just be that when they are simply talking about the SEO aspect of it and not the quality aspect of the page. Doesn't mean they aren't making quality pages.
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    • Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      I think talking about SEO and talking about what you do with the page you SEO'd are 2 different conversations.

      So, maybe it seems to you that people who talk about SEO aren't concerned with providing quality and establishing credibility but it could just be that when they are simply talking about the SEO aspect of it and not the quality aspect of the page. Doesn't mean they aren't making quality pages.
      That is what I wanna say.. when they simply talking about getting that page SEO'd .. they do not think about credibility of the content of the website they are SEOing. I'm not talking in terms of SEOs providing quality.. I'm saying about the quality of website they optimize.
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  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    its good to get an opt in form on your site and capture your visitors. you either have people that buy now or people that buy tomorrow (people in your list)
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    • Originally Posted by actionplanbiz View Post

      its good to get an opt in form on your site and capture your visitors. you either have people that buy now or people that buy tomorrow (people in your list)
      But what about after 'Buy Now'... do you simply forget them?

      And what about making those 'Buy tomorrow' to 'Buy Now'? Don't you try doing that.
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  • Different process to get more traffic.getting high pr more trust of visitors.link building process is the best way to increase more traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author pandorasbox
    You use the word SEO expert to openly, most people will say they are an expert but they are not. Real experts do not spam, real experts try to make money or build something that will be great. New customers and retain old, so your question I think is towards scammers not true SEO experts.
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    • Originally Posted by pandorasbox View Post

      You use the word SEO expert to openly, most people will say they are an expert but they are not. Real experts do not spam, real experts try to make money or build something that will be great. New customers and retain old, so your question I think is towards scammers not true SEO experts.
      Yes that can be a point that most of such SEO activities are done by amateurs. The domain has become so crowded that it has become really difficult to distinguish between two . Thanks for help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by pandorasbox View Post

      Real experts do not spam, real experts try to make money or build something that will be great.
      That's great.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    That is what I wanna say.. when they simply talking about getting that page SEO'd .. they do not think about credibility of the content of the website they are SEOing. I'm not talking in terms of SEOs providing quality.. I'm saying about the quality of website they optimize.
    For sure, the SEO process has nothing to do with the quality of the page. However, I would think that anyone who is taking the time or spending the money to get a page to the top of the SERPS would certainly have a page that is going to make the most amount of money for them and that usually involves quality content and visitor retention.

    I'm not sure why you keep thinking that SEO experts don't care about this? Why do you say that?

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    • Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      For sure, the SEO process has nothing to do with the quality of the page. However, I would think that anyone who is taking the time or spending the money to get a page to the top of the SERPS would certainly have a page that is going to make the most amount of money for them and that usually involves quality content and visitor retention.

      I'm not sure why you keep thinking that SEO experts don't care about this? Why do you say that?

      Lee

      Ma'am.. with due respect.. I'm new to this field and my clear intention to out my confusions is just to get my concepts clear.. I may sound biased somewhere but I'm really not
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Ma'am.. with due respect.. I'm new to this field and my clear intention to out my confusions is just to get my concepts clear.. I may sound biased somewhere but I'm really not
    I understand, but I'm just wondering what gives you the impression that SEO experts don't care about quality. Is it from the threads here or some experience you have had with them? Just trying to figure out where you are coming from.
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    • Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      I understand, but I'm just wondering what gives you the impression that SEO experts don't care about quality. Is it from the threads here or some experience you have had with them? Just trying to figure out where you are coming from.

      Yes you're right. I have seen here in some threads and I have experienced this thing over searches as well. Some top searches redirects to some really crappy content. That is why I asked the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    As a follow-up.

    Often, when we are talking about SEO issues, we are focused on the SEO aspects (search engine optimization = ranking well in search engines) so we aren't necessarily discussing issues like content and retention. It's all equally important but ranking a site on page 1 and writing effective copy are two different discussions.

    Some of the issues you brought up aren't necessarily SEO but fall more into the realm of sales.

    There are a lot of different factors involved and all of them need to be address if you want a really successful site.
    a) build a site that meets owners intentions
    b) design a site that fits customers needs
    c) bring traffic to site
    d) etc...

    But not all of these issues are SEO related issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Often, when we are talking about SEO issues, we are focused on the SEO aspects (search engine optimization = ranking well in search engines) so we aren't necessarily discussing issues like content and retention. It's all equally important but ranking a site on page 1 and writing effective copy are two different discussions.
    That's exactly what I was trying to say above, but it didn't come out right!

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  • I got it all.. Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions and inputs. I have got many things from this healthy discussions we guyz had here.
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