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14 years ago

If you spoke with a SEO Pro, one that is currently in the business and proactive with at least a minimum degree of success, they would tell you that:

You Can’t: You can not dominate the entire first page (10 results) of Google. It is mathematically impossible! If you think you can: Show Me just one that has, even if it was for one day. Even the theory can not mathematically be successful.

Google draws its results from many diverse platforms. There are authority blogs, video, images, social networks, forums, news hubs and many more others on any subject matter. It also will filter out similar content delivered across on the same or similar platforms (aka. Drupal, WP, Joomla). Then there is localization, personalization, etc.

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Jacob Martus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by debra

If you spoke with a SEO Pro, one that is currently in the business and proactive with at least a minimum degree of success, they would tell you that:

You Can't: You can not dominate the entire first page (10 results) of Google. It is mathematically impossible! If you think you can: Show Me just one that has, even if it was for one day. Even the theory can not mathematically be successful.

Google draws its results from many diverse platforms. There are authority blogs, video, images, social networks, forums, news hubs and many more others on any subject matter. It also will filter out similar content delivered across on the same or similar platforms (aka. Drupal, WP, Joomla). Then there is localization, personalization, etc.

Absolutely correct.

You can with a ton of hard work and depending on the niche probably pick up 2 or 3 or maybe even 4 of the top spots though. And the remainder of your sites could be used to funnel traffic to your main domain.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

... ok Debra, apparently there was a mis-communication slash mis interpretation on my part. When I first read and then reread your post, it looked like you were saying dominating was the SERPS were not possible.

When in fact you were saying dominating with his proposed plan was not possible... and on that we astutely agree!

So everything I typed concerning your post just disregard.

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Originally Posted by debra

If you spoke with a SEO Pro, one that is currently in the business and proactive with at least a minimum degree of success, they would tell you that:

You Can't: You can not dominate the entire first page (10 results) of Google. It is mathematically impossible! If you think you can: Show Me just one that has, even if it was for one day. Even the theory can not mathematically be successful.

Google draws its results from many diverse platforms. There are authority blogs, video, images, social networks, forums, news hubs and many more others on any subject matter. It also will filter out similar content delivered across on the same or similar platforms (aka. Drupal, WP, Joomla). Then there is localization, personalization, etc.

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millihill 14 years ago

Nice thread is here. Article submission needs quality writing skills and it really means to get back links.
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- Crew Chief 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by millihill
  
  Nice thread is here. Article submission needs quality writing skills and it really means to get back links.
  
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  jasonmorgan 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Crew Chief
  
  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Copy?
  
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  Crew Chief 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jasonmorgan
  
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K L Smithurst

14 years ago

Thanks for the replies and sound advice, much appreciated. I would be gratful if someone could comment on my article marketing plan though, would building backlinks to a blog with only my main sites outbound links on (along with fresh unique content daily ofcourse) be more beneficial than writing ten seperate articles and backlinking each article to one of my niche sites?

The idea is to use the blog as a funnel to feed link juice evenly across my 10 niche sites. As well as building the blog into a athourity site of its own and passing down the PR jucie too

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digidoodles

14 years ago

I have a client that is on page one 9 out of 10 spots, and two have indented listings.

Not all from the same domain, but the keyword gets her 9 out of 10 of the spot through various means (articles, blogs, PR's, etc.)

And, I have 6 of the spots for one of my keywords.

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mariahm

14 years ago

Not to be rude, but I hope that you use better writing skills then you did in your thread post.

Good luck though!

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by K L Smithurst

I had a really long discussion with a good IM friend yesterday and i am still not sure if this plan will work well so im looking to SEO expert warriors to help me out a little

I have 10 websites, all in the same niche. I use a variety of backlinking methods, including article marketing, which is what i want to talk about today.

My article campaign for these 10 sites would probably inclue righting at least one article for each site every day, but i have found writing 10 unique articles for the same keyword extremly difficult. So i came up with a 'plan' but im not entirly sure if it will work well; i intend to use a blog which is on a seperate domain to my other sites and have only 10 outbound links to my 10 niche sites.

I figured writing 10 articles a day for 10 different keywords, all synonyms of my main keyword, with backlinks to my blog would distribute the link juice evenly between my 10 outbound links.

My question is, has anyone every tried anything like this with success?

Edit - appologies for the crappy grammer and spelling, its been a long day

As far as the Article Marketing portion of your desire to dominate/monopolize a niche on the first page of the SERPs, you need to start thinking big for it to work. First, you need to outsource your article writing: period! There are numerous sources on the WF such as: || Content Writing Solutions Content Writing Service || Affordable Content Writing | High Quality Well-Researched Content | 100% Unique and Copyscaped Passed Article that you can use to get content in bulk at great prices.

Next, you need to think of automating the drip-feeding of the articles to the various ADs in such a manner that you stay under all the radar(s).

Your current plan is uniquely flawed in that you are somehow assuming that your "one blog" is going to pass enough link juice to ten different websites to get them all to the highly sought after perch? Uhh, umm, not going to happen. That's like using a Ford Escort to pull ten F-450 Super Duty trucks.

Also, is all of your sites are on the same Class C IP, your house is built on sand and may eventually suffer from the domino effect.

Originally Posted by debra

If you spoke with a SEO Pro, one that is currently in the business and proactive with at least a minimum degree of success, they would tell you that:

You Can't: You can not dominate the entire first page (10 results) of Google. It is mathematically impossible! If you think you can: Show Me just one that has, even if it was for one day. Even the theory can not mathematically be successful.

Google draws its results from many diverse platforms. There are authority blogs, video, images, social networks, forums, news hubs and many more others on any subject matter. It also will filter out similar content delivered across on the same or similar platforms (aka. Drupal, WP, Joomla). Then there is localization, personalization, etc.

Debra, while read your perspective I thought about the Man Will Never Fly Memorial Society They said man will never fly; you say it's impossible to dominate/monopolize the SERPs and you use mathematics computations as your empirical evidence?

A better statement would have been, "I am not currently familiar with the strategic and tactical maneuvers to dominate/monopolize a niche or a market."

As far as your statement about SEO Pros; no true SEO Pro is going to announce that they are dominating the SERPs with different domains in such and such market anymore than Bill Gates is going to admit to monopolizing OSs and anymore than DeBeers is going to admit to monopolizing diamond sales and anymore that OPEC is going to admit to monopolizing oil prices. To share such proprietary information would be akin to posting your username and password to your Swiss Bank account on Craigslist.

Originally Posted by digidoodles

I have a client that is on page one 9 out of 10 spots, and two have indented listings.

Not all from the same domain, but the keyword gets her 9 out of 10 of the spot through various means (articles, blogs, PR's, etc.)

And, I have 6 of the spots for one of my keywords.

Warmly,

Brandi

Yep, Brandi, this is pulled off more than people know...

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debra

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Debra, while read your perspective I thought about the Man Will Never Fly Memorial Society They said man will never fly; you say it's impossible to dominate/monopolize the SERPs and you use mathematics computations as your empirical evidence?

I still stand by what I said. In the senerio she setforth it would be mathematically impossible for her to accomplish what she was wanting to do. You said it yourself, "Uhh, umm, not going to happen." And I simply Agree with you.

A better statement would have been, "I am not currently familiar with the strategic and tactical maneuvers to dominate/monopolize a niche or a market."

That would not be a correct statement coming from me.

As far as your statement about SEO Pros; no true SEO Pro is going to announce that they are dominating the SERPs with different domains in such and such market anymore than Bill Gates is going to admit to monopolizing OSs and anymore than DeBeers is going to admit to monopolizing diamond sales and anymore that OPEC is going to admit to monopolizing oil prices. To share such proprietary information would be akin to posting your username and password to your Swiss Bank account on Craigslist.

Exactly and it is my opinion too. So...in my mind that makes you correct. But...didn't I just say the same thing in a more summarized and direct way in the beginning?

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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

You Can’t: You can not dominate the entire first page (10 results) of Google. It is mathematically impossible! If you think you can: Show Me just one that has, even if it was for one day. Even the theory can not mathematically be successful.

You are both correct and incorrect.

One domain (site) cannot dominate all 10 spots on a page. Google does not allow it.

Has nothing to do with math.

This is why you have double listings in google if a site has more then one page from a single site it feels is relevant to the search.

I've heard of the mythical tripple listing but I've never seen it. You'll also notice certain sites have menu listings as well if google really really likes them.

One marketer can dominate all 10 spots on a page using different sites.

If a marketer were a true SEO god they could dominate all 10 spots, each with a double listing, their youtube listing, news source and images.

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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

Nice thread is here. Article submission needs quality writing skills and it really means to get back links.

aren't we the clever little forum spammer

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paulgl 14 years ago

The same site could not be listed 10 times, but 10
different websites, owned by the same person, could.
Provided all were great for the exact same niche.

The exact same niche would be hard. But 10 sites
owned by the same person, hosted on the same
server actually, could dominate for 10 different related
searches, each site showing #1 for that search.

I stumbled upon this when I was debunking the
same IP theory.

So, here's the short version. Each site below is owned
by the same company, hosted on the same server,
all linked:

californiagasprices.com is #1 for california gas prices

texasgasprices.com is #1 for texas gas prices

floridastategasprices.com is #1 for florida gas prices

and so on for all 50 states, and 150 cities.

Many times these sites will have the first 2 separate
listings.

In fact, when doing a search and those pop up #1,
you even get a "more results from..." link and that
would take you to 10+ listings from the same site.

Those sites are killer sites. They dominate the niche.
They are all interlinked. They are all on the same server.

It is possible to take multiple sites and dominate the niche.
Having them all show at once, well, that would be a little
tricky.

Do just a search for: state gas prices (no quotes) and
they do have 4 separate sites in the top 10:
newyorkstategasprices.com
floridastategasprices.com
iowastategasprices.com
washingtongasprices.com

4 out of 10 is not bad. If I played with the search terms
more, I might be able to get all top 10.

Those 200+ sites they own for this niche bust a lot
of myths.

Paul
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Canadaseopro

14 years ago

Hi K L, You hit it right on the head with the article marketing as there is nothing better than deep embedded article marketing for front page search engine results. I have used this and only this method in all my SEO campaigns.

Now for the most effective, evenly distributed power for your articles depends just as much on what 'quality" they are as what keyword count they have. I only add three main keywords (hyper links) through out one article, including the signature box, thus promoting not only high ranking focus but a high re-distribution article rate.

P.S. Manual submissions are the most effective way of making sure your links stick. It is a bit more costly but its well worth it in the end. Submitting to 250 Pr 3+ domains is 10 times more effective than submitting to 5000 PR1- domains.

Just some advise: Auto submission is detected by all servers with a VPS/dedicated host and usually deleted with in 30-40 days if the submission if it is not administered. All submittable websites are monitored on a bi-weekly or monthly activity bases. Hope this all helps, T

Originally Posted by K L Smithurst

I had a really long discussion with a good IM friend yesterday and i am still not sure if this plan will work well so im looking to SEO expert warriors to help me out a little

I have 10 websites, all in the same niche. I use a variety of backlinking methods, including article marketing, which is what i want to talk about today.

My article campaign for these 10 sites would probably inclue righting at least one article for each site every day, but i have found writing 10 unique articles for the same keyword extremly difficult. So i came up with a 'plan' but im not entirly sure if it will work well; i intend to use a blog which is on a seperate domain to my other sites and have only 10 outbound links to my 10 niche sites.

I figured writing 10 articles a day for 10 different keywords, all synonyms of my main keyword, with backlinks to my blog would distribute the link juice evenly between my 10 outbound links.

My question is, has anyone every tried anything like this with success?

Edit - appologies for the crappy grammer and spelling, its been a long day

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shaggard

14 years ago

Lets pretend for a minute it was possible to get the top 10 spots.

You would be better off trying the Link Wheel strategy. This would incorporate your blog which would build its authority and give link juice to your sites. However, you would still need to write articles as well.

The wheel works (generally) like this:

Ezine Article: Links to Sales Page and External Blog
External Blog: Links to Sales page and Internal Blog
Money Site Internal Blog: Links to Sales Page and Internal Blog

As far as writing on the same keyword day after day, I suggest you hire someone. It is possible and many people including myself, do it on a regular basis for clients. If you would like strategies on how to write the same keyword over and over, PM and I will help

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