Google is Deindexing Micro niche site?

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Today,i read the "How Not to Make Money Online" from Grizz.
and all his micro niche site was deindexed by G.
blow is the article link:
How Not to Make Money Online | How to Make Money Online with SEO


So what's ur opinions?
#search engine optimization #deindexing #google #micro #niche #site
  • Yes sir, sooner or later Adsense will phase out because of the Google De-Indexing. I have fallen victim, which is why I've moved on.
  • Anything that has been oversold and exploited will eventually be found out by some sort of footprint by Google. They are the mothership and very bigbrotherish in their freakish powers of observation as to what the normal market is doing versus the 'let's force the issue market'...and now that they recoded their backend in the Caffeine update...they can implement algo changes almost instanteously...super-duper-spooky

    I love when people sell new link farms or link wheels and watch everyone run to use that system....people you gotta do it authentic style. Make it look natural.

    Build your own custom system of content creation/spinning and link building...
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    • Can you elaborate with any more details about what exactly happened, or any circumstances around you geting de-indexed please?
  • Stop speculating/reading so damn much and actually do something. The truth is that nobody KNOWS the real answer. He claims he wrote "high quality content", but what is high quality to him might not be high quality to you. Perhaps he had a link scheme going on?

    Would somebody find your site useful? If so, then keep doing what you are doing. Google search engine and Adsense are not the only two ways to make money online.
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    • Grizzly is at war with Google.

      Though build the sites right and you can avoid a Google slaughter.

      Still I much prefer to go the complete opposite of micro niche sites and go mega niche sites.
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  • I dont think, It gona happen as far as you building good and real sites. If your site is providing information to the users then you dont have to worry at all..
  • Even though Grizz does have a lot of experience
    with making money, especially with adsense,
    we shouldn't take everything he says as gospel
    truth,

    Kingsley
  • 1. That's not from Griz

    2. Niche mini-sites get deindexed sometimes due to looking MFA on the index page. Google visual inspections are 30 seconds at the most and probably don't even scratch the surface of the content. Most of the inspectors aren't native English speakers anyway. If you look MFA according to the guidelines they've been given, you'll be deindexed no matter the quality of your content.

    3. Don't overplay your hand and brag about it, which is what the author of that post did (which is what he says in it). Remember though, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand....

    YouTube - A Real Cool Hand... R.I.P. Paul Newman
  • I am also convinced that most of the de-indexing is done after a manual review rather than done automatically. Once they decide to de-index a site, they will then go on to check other sites under that ip or group of Class C ip. That is why you should try your best not to make your other sites easy to identify e.g. not using a common template.

    The trick is to avoid being picked up in the first place. But if you are using Adsense, then sooner or later, you will get a manual review. That is why if you want to play with low quality micro sites, it may be better just to use affilate programs instead.
  • I have heard that when you are making real money with Adsense, you really should not say much of anything to anybody about it.


    CT
  • the deindexed thingy happen to me, i am still tracking for all my sites, found 30-40% of them deindexed from the main keywords. Site is still indexed in the google.

    Simon
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    • Adsense is a great introduction to Internet Marketing but its a poor long term strategy.

      Google clearly says no to 'Made for Adsense', they want sites where the users concentrate on something else other then adsense.

      To make serious money from Adsense, its about Adsense being the focus of attention and nothing else, making the site look dull with adsense the highlight, etc etc.

      Without really optimising it, its going to be hard to get a click though rate of a few percent and that is not going to make any money (unless a site receives like 100,000 visitors a day or something).

      Its no point making it part of long term plan where its the main 'bread winner'.
  • I don't see the attraction of micro niche.

    I now have 150 hubpages and the broad topic hubs have dumped all over their micro niche cousins in terms of traffic and adsense revenue.
  • And the myths continue. Do yourself a favor and check out the Official Google webmaster help videos.

    Every day there is a new "oh noes" thread. If your content is quality you have nothing to fear, google cant deny good content. If you are making these site with rubbish content then it is like any other rubbish spam site.

    ps if somebody claims that something does not work they are probably selling a different method.


    You guys are busy confusing quality with quantity, google has said multiple times that the size of the size does not matter AT ALL.
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    • Wrong.

      Most deindexings occur based on a 30 second visual inspection by someone for whom English is typically a second or third language. No content is examined, only the design of the site in question. If it looks MFA it could have content that would rival Shakespeare and Stephen King combined and still get deindexed.

      Conversely, you can have a site with extremely thin scraped content and, as long as you've done the right things behind the scenes, never risk deindexing (examples: thefind.com, nextag.com and bizrate.com)
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  • Ben, the gentleman who wrote that article could have come on the WF and asked the question about MFAs before wasting all that time, energy and money. Any seasoned Adsense Publisher would have looked at him and said...

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, MAN!

    Read what he said as part of his article expressing his displeasure from his loses...

    I'm reading this scratching my head and saying to myself, "The MFA model was no longer valid?" Huh?

    He's got to be kidding right? Go read Google's Adsense TOS on MFAs; it was never a valid model, people just got away with it because of the sheer volume of sites that needed to be reviewed.

    The only beautiful thing about his article is; he apparently got it...

    He admittedly employed a number of Adsense strategies that will put you on Google's radar and most likely eventually get you slammed and then he stated in the end...

    Here are three CRITICAL takeaways you can clean from this thread and they are.

    (1). If you are a Adsense publisher using push button scripts, push button WP themes, Adsense clone scripts and other types of software that mass produce MFA sites, wake up and smell the smoke. Because where there is smoke; there is fire. A word to the wise should be sufficient.

    (2). Don't build Adsense sites too fast or fast at all. If you are launching Adsense sites faster than a speeding bullet; all I can tell you is, "Brace yourself for a potentially bumpy ride." If you doubt the veracity of that statement, wade through the numerous Adsense publishers that got their accounts disabled and banned.
    Here is the email these individuals receive from the Adsense QA dept after they attempt to get their accounts re-instated.

    (3). Stop publicly posting information about your MMO exploits when it pertains to Adsense. NEVER, use your sites monetized with Adsense as proof, evidence, or teaching tools on: how to obtain backlinks, how to gain PR, how to quickly MMO with Adsense, how to quickly build Adsense sites, etc. Don't post pictures or stats of any kind from your Adsense Publisher account on to your website or on forums, etc. You are simply inviting scrutiny, trouble and competition snitches. If someone wants PROOF, politely tell them to track down Perry Mason.

    If you think those steps are going overboard, then you haven't read the Adsense TOS in it's entirety. Here it is for your reading pleasure:
    If you value your Adsense Publisher account, take heed. If you don't value your account; then let it rip!

    Giles, the Crew Chief
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  • I'm not making much money yet and I've always shied away from making these kind of sites. I don't outsource anything so I know the quality is in the articles. However if you are bent on using this kind of site you could try this method to protect yourself:

    Cloaking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    • Here we go again!

      Obviously google is not deindexing micro niche sites, as most websites on the web are micro niche sites.

      So what do we know? Not much. Google doesn't like MFA sites. So what is a MFA site? I would hazard a guess that it is something that is a combination of the following factors:

      1. Sparse content, lots of ads - a page where the content itself is "mostly adsense"

      2. Posting scraped and duplicate content, plastered with adsense ads

      3. Providing no real value for the user

      4. Content that is unreadable "gibberish"

      5. Poor site navigation, and adsense ads made to look like navigation

      6. No other links on the page - the back button or adsense ad is the only way to exit the site

      Many of the above points are subjetive. So how can we make a site that avoids the MFA label?

      1. Have pages with content. If you have adsense on a page, it is probably a good idea to have at least 500 words of content on the page. Think about it, if your page has a small 50 word paragraph, and the rest of the page is covered with 6 different adsense blocks, its safe to say that the majority of the content is the adsense itself.

      2. Post original unique content.

      3. How to provide value? Its difficult to say, but writing something actually related to the keyword that will be useful to some visitors helps. For product sites, this could be reviews, rewritten product descriptions, information on manufacturers, and retailers.

      4. Write legible content that makes sense.

      5. Stick to classic site navigation - i.e a sidebar or horizontal bar below the header. Avoid having only adsense ads in the sidebar.

      6. Have other outbound links on your page. For product sites, this could be affiliate links such as amazon, or other links to where you can buy the product.

      These points are just off the top of my head using common sense, but I would be very surprised if your sites abided by these 6 points and were still deindexed.

      So why are all these people getting deindexed? I would imagine its because they were falling foul of these 6 points. Just because someone says they are writing quality content, it does not make it true. What is quality content? It completely subjective. Google is not looking for shakespeare, its looking for legible, content rich sites that dont trick or force the visitor to click ads.

      I would also imagine that most people get deindexed for dodgy practices, including:

      1. clicking their own ads, or other invalid click practices.

      2. interlinking all of their sites ( I have seen this many times)

      3. Achieving a poor ROI for advertisters through poor quality traffic. Search engine traffic is likely to give the best ROI, so if your site is solely relying on search engine traffic, I can't see how you would be deindexed for providing a poor ROI. If i were an advertiser, I would happily advertise on a 1 page micro site about yellow rain boots as long as the visitors who clicked through the ads provided me a positive ROI.

      4. A whole host of other blackhat and shady practices.

      Most people insist that its because of poor quality content. Let us look at probably the most famous example of making money from adsense with micro sites - Mr John Xfactor.

      I have read his ebook, and his method for writing content for product sites is "always" (quote) rewritten product descriptions and reviews. Is that really quality content? When you search for yellow widgets, are you looking for a site that has rewritten product descriptions, rewritten amazon reviews, and no outbound links? Probably not. I would imagine that you are looking for a site which sells yellow widgets. If you wanted reviews you would have searched or "yellow widget reviews".

      He is making a lot of money, so I'm sure his account has been manually reviewed, yet he is still here making lots of cash. How can this be? Well I would say this is for the following reasons:

      1. His sites are readable and on topic.

      2. They have content which is not thin (over 500 words per page) and not dominated by adsense - he has one block above the fold, and one sidebar.

      3. His content is unique.

      4. He has clear site navigation.

      In addition to this, he also follows 100% white hat methods.

      1. link building only through article marketing

      2. no site interlinking

      3. no other dodgy shady methods.

      And probably most important of all:

      4. His site relies solely on search engine traffic, and as such he most probably provides a very decent ROI for advertisers who's adverts appear on his sites. He makes money, the advertiser makes money, google makes money.

      I think he would agree with me - his content doesn't set the world alight with its quality and interesting insight. But it is factual, unique, readable, and on topic.

      By the way, this is in no way an attack on John, I think the man is a genius and his ebook assisted me in countless ways. I just used him as an example to show that you dont need designer websites or poetic content to build sites that rank well and are safe from deindexing.

      Phew, post/rant over
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  • That post in his site is a joke. I lol'd through all his speculations. He made it sound like he knows Google's formula like do this and not that if you want to continue to make money with AdSense. Funny how he is telling people what not to do when he got de-indexed lol.
  • Microsites are actually nothing new and even the big boys attempt to do them, in one way or another. Maybe not the exact same ways, but the same process is basically employed and are usually a very bad idea.

    In fact I read a pretty good article about this earlier in the month, check it out if interested: Microsites. A Bad Idea Most of the Time. - Nine By Blue
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    • To be crystal clear; Ben's issue was not Micro Sites; that term was misstated by the OP. His issue was building a slew of MFA Sites and bodaciously announcing his feats to the MMO community. In addition, (and his most egregious oversight) he didn't bother reading the Google Adsense TOS. Had he did that, he wouldn't have had to write a 4000 word missive about receiving a left uppercut from Google.

      Adsense Publishers who are not attempting to beat the system using nefarious strategies and BH tactics shouldn't loose a second of sleep over what happened to Ben. The bottom line; he rolled the dice with MFAs and lost.
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    • How do you define 'legit'? I think most IM make these sites purely for $ from Adsense no matter if its a 1 page or 100 page site, therefore Made For Adsense.

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    • [QUOTE=slimjim2010;2153760}

      If your legit, don't worry about all this Deindexing/Banning nonsense. [/QUOTE]

      It is not you, but Google who decides what is legit or not!
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    • Ha ha, yeah...

      But seriously, just don't be an idiot when it comes to your sites/monetisation and you'll be fine.

      There are tons of things that Google do not have the means to keep track of and/or don't have the manpower/processing power to evaluate/use properly. And even then so many people f*** up. How hard is it to not do these 5 things:

      1. Too many sites on 1 IP.
      2. Too many sites with same Adsense ID.
      3. Too many sites created by one person and using one theme.
      4. All of your sites under one Google Analytics account.
      5. Too many interlinked sites.

      That's pretty much all you ever need to worry about. Spend less time discussing blahblah and more time working.

      weeeeeeee!
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  • It's just that guy's strategy... because my Mini Sites revenue has only increased over the past few months.

    Who knows what he considers "Mini Sites" anyways.. Putting 1 article per site that's translated crap is different then pumping in some great content and syndicating RSS. Mahalo syndicates a lot of their content, so why can't you?

    The way Mahalo gets away with it is they claim that "having a hired writer" makes them legitimate, and Big Brother Cutts can't really do anything at that point.

    The point is, Why not just put 1 REAL article on your mini sites, and auto-generate the rest from elsewhere?

    If you're providing value through unique content, answering questions, showing YouTube videos, etc on your site, Google isn't going to touch you.

    I really don't know what this guy is doing... But it's got to be dirty for Google to completely de-index your site.

    I've never had one site completely deindexed... And some of them look like complete ****.
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    • Spot on. Look at the web - 90% of the websites are junk.

      Most sites have less than 10 pages.

      Most sites just have rehashed content.

      Most sites look like c*ap.

      You will be deindexed if you are being a naughty boy. If your just making rubbish websites, you will be left alone.
  • I have not seen any indication of Google de-indexing sites. If your site is MFA you may be at risk but if it has good quality content and value then you will be fine.
  • So what you're telling me is if I create 500 worthless little sites and put adsense on all of them... google might not like it very much? google might feel that I am generating garbage content and essentially spamming the internet with the intent to make a quick buck?

    It actually was a pretty good article. Yes, I read the whole damn thing.

    I actually just added adsense to a site for the very first time yesterday and made a whole whopping $1.49! It's on like donkey Kong when this site is out of beta testing.
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    • Hi Folks - figured I'd chime in here since a few people emailed me
      and asked me to comment on my personal work update.

      (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)

      ... As I cannot make it here to answer questions all of the time.

      For starters, I never speculate anything that Google may or may not
      do.

      Such threads are (and always have been) a draining and mentally
      defeating growth amongst marketing forums.

      Second, I have a Google rep that contacts me bi-yearly. I expect my
      next conversation in July.

      In January, my rep asked about any input I wanted to make, as well
      as if I needed any tips on monetization.

      My Portfolio:

      This is probably the most key element here, because the difference
      between someone that churns out hundreds of 1-page websites in
      record time and me is:

      1) I have nearly 13,000 pages of unique content, spread over 100+
      websites, with many pages that have been growing since 2008.

      2) 2,000 pages of that is on 1 health website.

      3) In about 2 weeks all of my micro niche sites will reach 100
      pages of content.

      4) They all started at 1-5 pages.

      : I work with micro niches, not micro sites. Yes,
      very site needs to start out small, but if I had a site making $5.00 per
      day, why would I not want to add dozens or hundreds of long-tail keyword
      focused article to: a) get more earnings and, b) contribute more information
      to the niche?

      5) I love my award-converting template, but due to so many people
      using it, I enjoy changing things around. I urge everyone to use their
      own creativity - just using my layout as a guide. Do I make less
      money? Yes, that's ok with me.

      6) Having been a black hat spammer from late 2005 until 2007, I
      have purposefully avoided any and all backlink promotions that would
      appear not to contribute something to the search engines.

      I know what short-term riches feel like, as I did it. But at the end of
      2007 I made a very clear and bold commitment to only work long-term.

      Hope this little update helps.

      P.S. Yes, I have a new book coming detailing my experience with growing
      these sites and all out better action plans and such (Free to all customers).

      - John
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