Xfactor Adsense Myths - The Updated Scoop

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2006 - I remember when I chose the name "Xfactor" when I joined
this wonderful forum. It was simply because I enjoyed the X-games
and did not give the name a second thought.

Now there are so many Xfactor threads that come up and so many
people are wondering what and why my information is helping people.

Well, hopefully this can help:

Here is a personal update that many can learn from in terms of growth
and not thinking short-term:

(PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)

... As I cannot make it here to answer questions all of the time.

For starters, I never speculate anything that Google may or may not
do.

Such threads are (and always have been) a draining and mentally
defeating growth amongst marketing forums.

Second, I have a Google rep that contacts me bi-yearly. I expect my
next conversation in July.

In January, my rep asked about any input I wanted to make, as well
as if I needed any tips on monetization.

My Portfolio:

This is probably the most key element here, because the difference
between someone that churns out hundreds of 1-page websites in
record time and me is:

1) I have nearly 13,000 pages of unique content, spread over 100+
websites, with many pages that have been growing since 2008.

2) 2,000 pages of that is on 1 health website.

3) All micro niche sites are nearing 100 pages of content (slowly
added over the course of 6 months to 1 year - other domains older).


4) They all started at 1-5 pages.

Note: I work with micro niches, not micro sites. Yes,
every site needs to start out small, but if I had a site making $5.00 per
day, why would I not want to add dozens or hundreds of long-tail keyword
focused articles to:

a) get more earnings and,
b) contribute more information to the niche?

5) I love my award-converting template, but due to so many people
using it, I enjoy changing things around. I urge everyone to use their
own creativity - just using my layout as a guide. Do I make less
money? Yes, that's ok with me.

6) Having been a black hat spammer from late 2005 until 2007, I
have purposefully avoided any and all backlink promotions that would
appear not to contribute something to the search engines.

I know what short-term riches feels like, as I did it. But at the end of
2007 I made a very clear and bold commitment to only work long-term.

Hope this little update helps.

- John
#adsense #myths #scoop #updated #xfactor
  • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
    More useful than you know. Thanks!

    Anybody have a link to the "template" he uses?
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    For what it's worth, I concur with the micro niches and micro sites approach.... to begin with. The key is not to let sites that prove themselves to you via their performance die by content starvation. Go back to those winners and build them out. Over time, you get better at spotting winning broad niches within which to find micro niches and more winners.

    I've not ever bought Xfactor's course, and I don't think he's bought any of mine on Adsense, but we agree on this fundamental course of action.

    He knows his stuff!

    Take Care,
    John Schwartz
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    • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
      John,

      I am one happy camper after reading your thread last November.

      Thanks heaps mate for your wisdom and willingness to share it.

      Cheers,

      Craig
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    Thanks for the encouragement but help me out here.

    How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      Its no point picking an exact match domain. You'll easily rank for that keyword but not for others which will mean some SEO effort.

      And the choice in domain name sometimes catch you out further down the line. If your domain name is 'plastic yoga mats', its going to sound odd promoting 'yoga videos'. A person searching for 'yoga videos', might see that your domain name is something they are not looking for and pass even though my site is on the first page.

      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?
      I will assume you can write ten articles about more or less any subject. Right?

      1. Various asana that are easier with a thick yoga mat
      2. What a beginner needs to start yoga, like a thick yoga mat
      3. Injuries or problems that can be avoided with a thick yoga mat
      4. Occasions when you might make a gift of a thick yoga mat
      5. Medical conditions that make it a good idea to get a thick yoga mat
      6. Different types of yoga that you might study with your thick yoga mat
      7. Reviews and comparisons for different brands of thick yoga mat
      8. How they manufacture and test this or that brand of thick yoga mat
      9. Other uses that one might find around the house for a thick yoga mat
      10. Amusing yoga mishaps that could be avoided with a thick yoga mat

      It's just all about creativity.
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      • Profile picture of the author XFactor
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        I will assume you can write ten articles about more or less any subject. Right?

        1. Various asana that are easier with a thick yoga mat
        2. What a beginner needs to start yoga, like a thick yoga mat
        3. Injuries or problems that can be avoided with a thick yoga mat
        4. Occasions when you might make a gift of a thick yoga mat
        5. Medical conditions that make it a good idea to get a thick yoga mat
        6. Different types of yoga that you might study with your thick yoga mat
        7. Reviews and comparisons for different brands of thick yoga mat
        8. How they manufacture and test this or that brand of thick yoga mat
        9. Other uses that one might find around the house for a thick yoga mat
        10. Amusing yoga mishaps that could be avoided with a thick yoga mat

        It's just all about creativity.
        There ya go - great post. This is a small content-course in and of
        itself.

        - John
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        I will assume you can write ten articles about more or less any subject. Right?

        1. Various asana that are easier with a thick yoga mat
        2. What a beginner needs to start yoga, like a thick yoga mat
        3. Injuries or problems that can be avoided with a thick yoga mat
        4. Occasions when you might make a gift of a thick yoga mat
        5. Medical conditions that make it a good idea to get a thick yoga mat
        6. Different types of yoga that you might study with your thick yoga mat
        7. Reviews and comparisons for different brands of thick yoga mat
        8. How they manufacture and test this or that brand of thick yoga mat
        9. Other uses that one might find around the house for a thick yoga mat
        10. Amusing yoga mishaps that could be avoided with a thick yoga mat

        It's just all about creativity.
        Far from 100 pages, 90 more to go. A lot of them will also be repetitive hence, USELESS?

        and the ROI will be too low that you're better off writing articles for somebody else.
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        • Profile picture of the author SladeK
          Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

          Far from 100 pages, 90 more to go. A lot of them will also be repetitive hence, USELESS?

          and the ROI will be too low that you're better off writing articles for somebody else.
          Or you can be one of those weird idiots that actually writes their own material.
          I admit it, I am one of those people; and yes, I have a problem.

          You seem to be stuck on a simple statement that you misunderstood to begin with instead of seeing the big picture and fairly simplistic point that people are trying to portray here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
          Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

          Far from 100 pages, 90 more to go. A lot of them will also be repetitive hence, USELESS?

          and the ROI will be too low that you're better off writing articles for somebody else.
          Look at the Google Wonder Wheel. That will give you an idea of relevant articles someone can write for a site.

          As for ROI, I agree it is very important.
          • Do not write a page that won't make a return for you within an acceptable time frame. That time is dependent on your circumstances.
          • You should be able to write an article in 15 to 30minutes.
          • You should be selecting pages that you know what is needed for off-site promotion to get to #1. This off-site promotion makes up the remainder of your cost.
          • As you mentioned, time is cost.
          • At the worse case scenario you will spend 1 day of hard work promoting a page over its lifetime.
          • At $40/hour cost for a page is about $350. That will take a year to recover the cost for the article at $1/day.
          • Increase your ROI by either lowering the cost to promote a page or increasing the earning per day.
          • If you can outsource cheaper than your costs then do it to improve production and lower the time until positive return.
          • Automate the promotion to lower costs even further. RSS, Bookmarking, Article/Linking Networks are some examples.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?

    Mmm, thick yoga mat,

    it's so soft

    it's so comfy

    it feels so good on my skin

    it's perfect for wrapping up my victims bodies... 'emmm, nevermind.

    it's so soft, did I already say that?


    I don't think you are supposed to write 100 pages on Thick Yoga Mats. It's time to step-up to a slightly larger micro niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      Thanks for the encouragement but help me out here.

      How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?
      You don't have to write all your articles about thick yoga mats. Write some about thin yoga mats or invisible yoga mats or even better yoga mats that act like flying carpets!

      The point is. Just expand on these. Just because the domain is thickyogamats.net doesn't mean that every single article has to be about thick yoga mats. The idea behind getting an exact match domain is that you get to leverage the benefit you'll get in traffic in the short term.

      In the long run the domain will still have most of your keywords in it.

      Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

      I agree - i think you just went a little TOO micro. Micro niche would be "Yoga Mats".
      He used that example because it was direct from Xfactors book.
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      • Profile picture of the author culvers
        Good post Jacob - I have come to the same conclusion. The exact match domain is good for boosting your main keyword, however once you have established that the keyword and micro niche is profitable, you can expand to related keywords. Dont let the domain name hold you back.

        With the the thick yoga mat example, there is nothing to stop you writing about all manner of yoga related keywords, yoga bags, yoga courses, other yoga equipment etc... so long as you feel that those articles will rank well.

        Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

        You don't have to write all your articles about thick yoga mats. Write some about thin yoga mats or invisible yoga mats or even better yoga mats that act like flying carpets!

        The point is. Just expand on these. Just because the domain is thickyogamats.net doesn't mean that every single article has to be about thick yoga mats. The idea behind getting an exact match domain is that you get the leverage the benefit you'll get in traffic in the short term.

        In the long run the domain will still have most of your keywords in it.



        He used that example because it was direct from Xfactors book.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          If you have a 5-10 page site on yoga mats and you are getting traffic and clicks...nothing to stop you from adding other yoga product pages to the sites. If the visitor is looking for yoga mats - maybe they also would check out yoga poses, yoga lifestyle, yoga clothing, yoga videos...you could be up to 100 pages easily in time. It also expands the number of keywords you can rank for.

          Yes, the domain might be "yoga mats"....but it is "yoga".
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          • Profile picture of the author Clyde
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            If you have a 5-10 page site on yoga mats and you are getting traffic and clicks...nothing to stop you from adding other yoga product pages to the sites. If the visitor is looking for yoga mats - maybe they also would check out yoga poses, yoga lifestyle, yoga clothing, yoga videos...you could be up to 100 pages easily in time. It also expands the number of keywords you can rank for.

            Yes, the domain might be "yoga mats"....but it is "yoga".
            Let's just be realistic here.

            John said he started with 3-5 pages of 500+ words content. Based on his e-book, it would be 1 article about "thick yoga mats" on thickyogamats.com, and 3-4 inner-pages that get 1k exact searches based on Google Keyword Tool. i.e Jade Yoga mats, etc

            Let's talk about cost, we want quality over quantity so a 500 words article would cost around $7.5. In one of John's posts he mentioned that he pays them double this amount but I forgot what it was.

            He also said in his strategy that he submits at least 10 articles for each pages to EZA and sometimes GA.

            So that's 100 x 10 = 1000 articles to be submitted to EZA that will cost you a hefty 7,000USD (approx).

            For people just starting out, this method is the opposite of viable.

            You will have to spend almost 8k USD on 1 single website that will only break even after 3 years.

            (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)

            Since John pays a lot to his writer, a website will cost John about $16k USD to develop.

            How does one make any money?

            Try it for yourself, develop a micro niche site into a 100 pages website and see how much money/time you've spent vs. how much is that site making over a span of a year. You will know the truth then.

            Hope this helps with reality check.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
              Your figures are all wrong mate.

              Each month the articles/pages should perform better and better like a snowball effect.

              Plus if you use ALL your profits from Adsense each month to pay for the articles, you are not losing anything,



              Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

              Let's just be realistic here.

              John said he started with 3-5 pages of 500+ words content. Based on his e-book, it would be 1 article about "thick yoga mats" on thickyogamats.com, and 3-4 inner-pages that get 1k exact searches based on Google Keyword Tool. i.e Jade Yoga mats, etc

              Let's talk about cost, we want quality over quantity so a 500 words article would cost around $7.5. In one of John's posts he mentioned that he pays them double this amount but I forgot what it was.

              That' $750 spent on a site that's only 2 weeks old making no money. Which will only make $5/day in 2-3 months time. We're talking about 6-10 months before breaking even here.

              He also said in his strategy that he submits at least 10 articles for each pages to EZA and sometimes GA.

              So that's 100 x 10 = 1000 articles to be submitted to EZA that will cost you a hefty 7,000USD (approx).

              For people just starting out, this method is the opposite of viable.

              You will have to spend almost 8k USD on 1 single website that will only break even after 3 years. lol


              (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)
              Since John pays a lot to his writer, a website will cost John about $16k USD to develop.

              No wonder people don't make any money.

              Try it for yourself, develop a micro niche site into 100 pages website and see how much money/time you've spent vs. how much is that site making. You will know the truth then.

              Hope this helps with reality check.
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                • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
                  I posted because Im doing exacly what he has suggested

                  Ive only spent $10 of my own money and have made $65 the site is only 1.5 months old.

                  first 2 weeks I made me $8, next 3 weeks I made $57 then next month Im sure it will double/triple again.

                  My site only has 40 pages submitted so far....I wrote the first 30 on my own and bought 50 articles which I have only submitted 10.

                  However the money I used to buy the 50 articles came from me flipping some of my smaller sites beause this larger one was killing those in profits.

                  So even if I didnt sell them and I paid for those 50 articles that would of costed me $200...so id break even in 2-3 months total.

                  PLUS Keep in mind most of my pages arent on Page 1 of Google yet, however people are finding them somehow! Imagine once they're on 1st page, profits will dramatically increase at no extra cost to me!

                  Besides you need to remember this is a long term game, you only pay for each article ONCE but you get to enjoy traffic and profits from them over and over again....think longterm.

                  I'm not saying this method is fastest or best but I feel more comfortable doing things this way instead of making 100 sites with 5 pages each and risk google banning me.

                  Id rather work hard for 6-12 months and then quit my job then keep searching for the next shiny thing that promises fast money.




                  Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                  The purpose of working on this is to make money, not to break even.

                  Which part of what I posted is wrong? Mind going specific?

                  Go ahead, try his strategy, develop 3-5 pages website, and add 100 pages of content within 2 weeks.

                  Then build backlinks by submitting 1k articles to EZA.

                  See how much money that site is making in 3 months. Please, prove me wrong!

                  and if you break even within the first 6 months, I'll send you $500.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                    You have to factor in the time you've spent writing the articles too. Time is still cost.

                    You do not have 100+ pages within 2 weeks of launching the site, and you still don't, even after 1.5 months.

                    You're not doing what he suggested. Why?

                    Because it's impossible.

                    You will lose money doing EXACTLY what he suggested in the first post.

                    It's not as "long term" as you want it to be, only the minority of keywords can be considered long term, try learning how to read Trends data. You will learn that over time people will forget about specific keywords as new keywords emerge.

                    Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

                    I posted because Im doing exacly what he has suggested

                    Ive only spent $10 of my own money and have made $65 the site is only 1.5 months old.

                    first 2 weeks I made me $8, next 3 weeks I made $57 then next month Im sure it will double/triple again.

                    My site only has 40 pages submitted so far....I wrote the first 30 on my own and bought 50 articles which I have only submitted 10.

                    However the money I used to buy the 50 articles came from me flipping some of my smaller sites beause this larger one was killing those in profits.

                    So even if I didnt sell them and I paid for those 50 articles that would of costed me $200...so id break even in 2-3 months total.

                    Besides you need to remember this is a long term game, you only pay for each article ONCE but you get to enjoy traffic and profits from them over and over again....think longterm.

                    Id rather work hard for 6-12 months and then quit my job then keep searching for the next shiny thing that promises fast money.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
                      Ok you're right I'm not doing "exactly" the same but the general gist of creating large sites is what I meant when I said I'm doing a similar approach.

                      As far as your comment about keywords, that depends on the niche. I can safely say my traffic and keywords targetted do not follow any trends or are not seasonal at all.

                      As I said the approach isnt for everyone, and yes time can be considered a cost but when I enjoy the work so much, I don't mind.

                      This is my passion like many other here, the money comes 2nd.

                      Each month Im seeing my account balance grow, thats all the proof I need to know that this method works.


                      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                      You have to factor in the time you've spent writing the articles too. Time is still cost.

                      You do not have 100+ pages within 2 weeks of launching the site, and you still don't, even after 1.5 months.

                      You're not doing what he suggested. Why?

                      Because it's impossible.

                      You will lose money doing EXACTLY what he suggested in the first post.

                      It's not as "long term" as you want it to be, only the minority of keywords can be considered long term, try learning how to read Trends data. You will learn that over time people will forget about specific keywords as new keywords emerge.
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            • Profile picture of the author inter123
              XFactor hires people to do the writing? I was under the impression writing was a passion, did all the work himself.

              Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

              Since John pays a lot to his writer, a website will cost John about $16k USD to develop.
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              • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                XFactor hires people to do the writing? I was under the impression writing was a passion, did all the work himself.
                At this point in my career I do have local writers working for me, but
                even up until 1 year ago I was doing 80% of my daily articles on my
                own.

                I still believe in working 100% on your own until you have reached an
                appreciable "connection" with this business model.

                I'm not sure if I can explain what that means, but I have a strong
                sense of energy in everything that we do in life - especially business
                and making money.

                Even though it's content publishing, I feel that most people that outsource
                from the beginning, without having made the connection with the right
                energy to manifest results (both physical and spiritual) in earnings, tend
                to not do so well.

                But like always, I know it's a individual case basis.

                Nothing, I mean nothing - is ever set in stone.

                - John
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            • Profile picture of the author inter123
              Instead of outsourcing everything, have you considered, sitting down for 10 hours a day and doing the work yourself? Initially the return for might be small for the time put in but as its going to provide an income every month for (hopefully) years, the time spent might be worth while.

              Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

              Let's just be realistic here.

              Let's talk about cost, we want quality over quantity so a 500 words article would cost around $7.5. In one of John's posts he mentioned that he pays them double this amount but I forgot what it was.

              He also said in his strategy that he submits at least 10 articles for each pages to EZA and sometimes GA.

              So that's 100 x 10 = 1000 articles to be submitted to EZA that will cost you a hefty 7,000USD (approx).

              For people just starting out, this method is the opposite of viable.

              You will have to spend almost 8k USD on 1 single website that will only break even after 3 years.

              (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)

              Since John pays a lot to his writer, a website will cost John about $16k USD to develop.

              How does one make any money?

              Try it for yourself, develop a micro niche site into a 100 pages website and see how much money/time you've spent vs. how much is that site making over a span of a year. You will know the truth then.

              Hope this helps with reality check.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Was I growing K-Sites all of this time?
                Yes, John - think "royalties"

                I have 25 xfactor sites, all 5-pagers, that I started building 4 months ago. I did exactly what was suggested in the book and wrote all the content and articles myself. I am building 2 sites per week and make an average of 70 cents per site per day but I notice that I am getting better at this game every day.
                Personally, I'd stop for a couple months and spend time building up the 25 and then start building again. To me it's better to have 25 sites of 50 pages each than 100 sites of 5 pages. But that's just me.

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              • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                Instead of outsourcing everything, have you considered, sitting down for 10 hours a day and doing the work yourself? Initially the return for might be small for the time put in but as its going to provide an income every month for (hopefully) years, the time spent might be worth while.
                Yes, this is what I was taught by my Father.

                He started his own business from scratch and worked for several years
                building up a property management company without making a dime
                ,
                very long hours and seemingly endless bumps in the road.

                But he made it, and although he passed away, this company is still running
                strong with 5 locations and serving full-time income to 34 men and women.

                Adsense, property management, lawn care - Starting a business is tough,
                and online is no different.

                But if one has resources, well, then that is an entirely different story.

                Most of us who have made it worked our way up with nothing, nothing but
                long, long, long hours, stress, and most importantly - fortitude and the right
                mental attitude.

                - John
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

              You will have to spend almost 8k USD on 1 single website that will only break even after 3 years.
              Not all at once.

              What you do is roll things in, bit by bit. You start with a ten-page site about something, and you see how it performs. If you're getting good CPC, you increase traffic by submitting a bunch of articles to EZA and GA. If the traffic is generating good revenue, you scale up and add more pages to the site.

              Now, the whole way through all of this, one of the things you want to be sure of is that the site is paying for itself.

              So you start out with $150 for ten $15 articles. Then you look at the stats for those ten, and you say "how long will it take these to make back the $150?" - and if you like the answer, you pick the page that's making the most, and you consider promoting it with ten more articles. If you spend another $150 on this, how fast will you make it back? Again, if you like the answer, you do it. And you invest what you have on your best action plan, so long as you like the answer. If you don't like the answer, or you don't have any more to invest, you stop.
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              • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                I agree with everything you're saying.

                Read John's post, he said he adds 100 pages of content all within the span of 2 weeks from launching the website. I'm surprised he's making any money.

                But he also owns an adsense e-book best-seller, so..

                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                Not all at once.

                What you do is roll things in, bit by bit. You start with a ten-page site about something, and you see how it performs. If you're getting good CPC, you increase traffic by submitting a bunch of articles to EZA and GA. If the traffic is generating good revenue, you scale up and add more pages to the site.

                Now, the whole way through all of this, one of the things you want to be sure of is that the site is paying for itself.

                So you start out with $150 for ten $15 articles. Then you look at the stats for those ten, and you say "how long will it take these to make back the $150?" - and if you like the answer, you pick the page that's making the most, and you consider promoting it with ten more articles. If you spend another $150 on this, how fast will you make it back? Again, if you like the answer, you do it. And you invest what you have on your best action plan, so long as you like the answer. If you don't like the answer, or you don't have any more to invest, you stop.
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                • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                  Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                  I agree with everything you're saying.

                  Read John's post, he said he adds 100 pages of content all within the span of 2 weeks from launching the website. I'm surprised he's making any money.

                  But he also owns an adsense e-book best-seller, so..
                  Hi old friend - you never were very good at paying attention

                  These sites have reached 100 pages over the course of 6 months to
                  1 year, some longer.

                  2 weeks?

                  - John
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                  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                    Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

                    Hi old friend - you never were very good at paying attention

                    These sites have reached 100 pages over the course of 6 months to
                    1 year, some longer.

                    2 weeks?

                    - John
                    Ah, but you said..

                    3) In about 2 weeks all of my micro niche sites will reach 100
                    pages of content.

                    Who would've thought that you meant 2 weeks from today? (which could be 3 years from when you launched them) If that's the case, then my bad.
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                    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                      Ah, but you said..

                      3) In about 2 weeks all of my micro niche sites will reach 100
                      pages of content.

                      Who would've thought that you meant 2 weeks from today? (which could be 3 years from when you launched them) If that's the case, then my bad.
                      Good point on the writing of that post.

                      I'll edit it to be more clear.

                      I meant that in 2 weeks time there will be exactly 100 pages on all of
                      the micro niches that I have built to this point, which is just over 100.

                      - John
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                    • Profile picture of the author terryd
                      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                      Ah, but you said..

                      3) In about 2 weeks all of my micro niche sites will reach 100
                      pages of content.

                      Who would've thought that you meant 2 weeks from today? (which could be 3 years from when you launched them) If that's the case, then my bad.
                      I understood it just as Xfactor meant it and I'm sure everybody else did too....

                      You seem to have a bone to pick with Xfactor for some reason but I'd really just wish you would move on instead of posting your useless opinion as I would rather read what John has to say and not what you have to say........if you want to rant about how bad Xfactors formula is then start your own thread or even better your own forum and bad mouth him all you want...............
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                • Profile picture of the author Marfling
                  Terry,

                  IMHO points 3,4,5 and 6 are not just why he's a popular member of this forum, they are also responsible for his Adsense success. When you build sites for the visitors and not just for your pockets, it really does take it to the next level.

                  I dont know for sure, but i'd be willing to bet that his sites treat visitors with respect and dignity, are genuinly helpful and obviously shows he cares about them.

                  After I learnt that this isnt just about churning out article after article and focused more on the visitors and what they would want from my sites, things really started to get exciting.

                  Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

                  Spiteful jealousy will not serve you well in online business, business or life.

                  John's book is considerably better value than the $500 deal you are currently offering as a WSO.

                  This prompts the question..what is your regular price?

                  Although in fairness you offer a "guarantee" of $100("Guaranteed Goal: $100/day on autopilot 3 months from now from websites that Google like."):rolleyes:

                  X factor is popular for a number of reasons..
                  1. His "method" works
                  2. His "method" works(no, not a typo)
                  3. He is a decent human being with integrity
                  4. He treats people with respect and dignity
                  5. He is genuinely helpful
                  6. He actually cares about people

                  When you can tick any of these boxes you might have a chance; if you can ever tick them all I will eat this monitor and post the video on YouTube.

                  Regards,
                  Terry

                  P.S. You never answered the question as to how many aliases you have used here and on other forums and how many times you have been banned.
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      • Profile picture of the author XFactor
        Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

        You don't have to write all your articles about thick yoga mats. Write some about thin yoga mats or invisible yoga mats or even better yoga mats that act like flying carpets!

        The point is. Just expand on these. Just because the domain is thickyogamats.net doesn't mean that every single article has to be about thick yoga mats. The idea behind getting an exact match domain is that you get to leverage the benefit you'll get in traffic in the short term.
        Couldn't have answered this better myself.

        - John
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    • Profile picture of the author LangeTroels
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Mmm, thick yoga mat,

      it's so soft

      it's so comfy

      it feels so good on my skin

      it's perfect for wrapping up my victims bodies... 'emmm, nevermind.

      it's so soft, did I already say that?

      I don't think you are supposed to write 100 pages on Thick Yoga Mats. It's time to step-up to a slightly larger micro niche.
      Hehe, that's good stuff.. Always funny and interesting posts in here..
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  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?
    I agree - i think you just went a little TOO micro. Micro niche would be "Yoga Mats".
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Dolby
    Most people don't understand that concept Kay
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Thanks John for sharing! I'm actually been doing the same thing. I have 1 site with about 50 pages and plan on writing 500 pages on the 1 niche.

    The more you write the more you make and is a lot easier focusing on a few sites.

    Well done.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Most people don't understand that concept Kay
      Wow - I didn't know it was a concept!:p Damn - I have a "method" and didn't even know it. I thought it was the next logical step - and I know it works for me.

      kay
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      • Profile picture of the author XFactor
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Wow - I didn't know it was a concept!:p Damn - I have a "method" and didn't even know it. I thought it was the next logical step - and I know it works for me.

        kay
        So it's called the K-Method?

        Was I growing K-Sites all of this time?



        - John
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmut
    hey john

    i heard you are coming out with another xfactor ebook. any truth to this. and are you going in deeper from the first book.

    you have been a great knowledge giver and i speak for many.

    thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by mrmut View Post

      hey john

      i heard you are coming out with another xfactor ebook. any truth to this. and are you going in deeper from the first book.

      you have been a great knowledge giver and i speak for many.

      thank you

      Yes & Yes my friend (Free to all customers of my current book).

      - John
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      • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Yes & Yes my friend (Free to all customers of my current book).

        - John
        Too bad you changed your mind, and now you are charging for both ebook and forum, even to those who already paid for a forum that was supposed to be a lifetime membership. I did not figure out it was meant to be the forum lifetime, not my lifetime.

        Anyway, the first ebook is great and worths its value and more, so I am happy with it. I am just sad that changed your mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author NiyazK
    John you are a wonderful guy. Always ready for help and fast whenever asked about anything. Btw how much are you earning these days and how many sites are you running ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    I'm not here to bash anybody, I'm honestly here to help.

    If you really want to make $600/day, you need to think ROI.

    How much is spent on site vs. how much that site makes in the end.

    John's posts are helpful but people really need to start "reading between the lines".
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      I'm not here to bash anybody, I'm honestly here to help.

      If you really want to make $600/day, you need to think ROI.

      How much is spent on site vs. how much that site makes in the end.

      Many ways to skin a cat in this business.

      I just do what I do, and share that with others.

      Take a little from it, a lot, nothing, or all of it - and grow personally
      from there.

      - John
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      • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Many ways to skin a cat in this business.

        I just do what I do, and share that with others.

        Take a little from it, a lot, nothing, or all of it - and grow personally
        from there.

        - John
        Beautifully put John.
        Well done mate,
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      • Profile picture of the author dirtdigger
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Many ways to skin a cat in this business.

        - John
        I know this is an old thread but was enjoying reading it for the first time when John's comment above popped-up. The cats love to sleep on top of my old fashioned monitor and you made them VERY nervous.

        Another John
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    • Profile picture of the author erazer
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      I'm not here to bash anybody, I'm honestly here to help.

      If you really want to make $600/day, you need to think ROI.

      How much is spent on site vs. how much that site makes in the end.

      John's posts are helpful but people really need to start "reading between the lines".
      I have 25 xfactor sites, all 5-pagers, that I started building 4 months ago. I did exactly what was suggested in the book and wrote all the content and articles myself. I am building 2 sites per week and make an average of 70 cents per site per day but I notice that I am getting better at this game every day. I'll stop at a hundred sites this December and should be making $100 per day minimum. Then I'll build out those sites, starting with the most promising--all by myself.

      Based on my concrete experience, everything you have written is totally meaningless and irrelevant to me. In short, complete gibberish. But then, I'm a simple man. What do I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

    2006 - I remember when I chose the name "Xfactor" when I joined
    this wonderful forum. It was simply because I enjoyed the X-games
    and did not give the name a second thought.

    Now there are so many Xfactor threads that come up and so many
    people are wondering what and why my information is helping people.

    Well, hopefully this can help:

    Here is a personal update that many can learn from in terms of growth
    and not thinking short-term:

    (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)

    ... As I cannot make it here to answer questions all of the time.

    For starters, I never speculate anything that Google may or may not
    do.

    Such threads are (and always have been) a draining and mentally
    defeating growth amongst marketing forums.

    Second, I have a Google rep that contacts me bi-yearly. I expect my
    next conversation in July.

    In January, my rep asked about any input I wanted to make, as well
    as if I needed any tips on monetization.

    My Portfolio:

    This is probably the most key element here, because the difference
    between someone that churns out hundreds of 1-page websites in
    record time and me is:

    1) I have nearly 13,000 pages of unique content, spread over 100+
    websites, with many pages that have been growing since 2008.

    2) 2,000 pages of that is on 1 health website.

    3) In about 2 weeks all of my micro niche sites will reach 100
    pages of content.

    4) They all started at 1-5 pages.

    Note: I work with micro niches, not micro sites. Yes,
    every site needs to start out small, but if I had a site making $5.00 per
    day, why would I not want to add dozens or hundreds of long-tail keyword
    focused articles to:

    a) get more earnings and,
    b) contribute more information to the niche?

    5) I love my award-converting template, but due to so many people
    using it, I enjoy changing things around. I urge everyone to use their
    own creativity - just using my layout as a guide. Do I make less
    money? Yes, that's ok with me.

    6) Having been a black hat spammer from late 2005 until 2007, I
    have purposefully avoided any and all backlink promotions that would
    appear not to contribute something to the search engines.

    I know what short-term riches feels like, as I did it. But at the end of
    2007 I made a very clear and bold commitment to only work long-term.

    Hope this little update helps.

    - John
    John... I'm sure I speak for a lot of people here when I say it's good to hear back from you again with regards to the whole AdSense malarky

    I know over the past few weeks/months a lot of people have been fretting about deindexing, AdSense account bans, etc, mostly in relation to building small sites. But as you say, the idea isn't to build small sites, but to target sites to small specific niches (at least at first) to reap the SEO benefits this can give you initially and get raking that moolas in quicker than you would if you slapped up completely random articles about completely random subjects on a single website.

    Although I'm sure that can work too. It's just a different approach.

    Personally I don't worry too much about any of the aforementioned things other people are fretting over.

    I'm sure one thing people will pick up on here is the thing you mention about having an AdSense rep...

    So many people worry about "manual reviews" of their accounts, etc, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say if you have a designated rep within the company they've looked at and scrutinized all of your sites and don't feel anything is wrong with them. I'm sure that brings you (as it would anyone else in your position) a certain added level of peace of mind.

    My question is just this, really: How did you come to engage with this representative? Did they simply contact you after a certain point (of earning so much per day / sending them so many impressions/clicks or what not), and take it from there?

    Is this something that is commonplace, do you know? In other words, when those of us also have a portfolio of sites similar in size and success to yours, are we likely to be allocated a representative which will allow for us to build a closer, stronger and more mutually-trustful relationship with Google?

    I hope this question makes sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author sena123
      Hi John... Do you still manage getting 50%-75% CTR ?? After a lot people copying your template....( including me )

      I only manage ctr 5% :confused: even i have follow all your lesson...
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by sena123 View Post

        Hi John... Do you still manage getting 50%-75% CTR ?? After a lot people copying your template....( including me )

        I only manage ctr 5% :confused: even i have follow all your lesson...
        As always, I don't want to answer for John (seeing as you directed the question at him), but I can say from my experience that even with the using a very similar design/template/theme, the CTR is based largely on the ad relevancy.

        One of my biggest earning sites gets a lot of traffic but has a lower CTR. The ads are moderately-to-well relevant to the niche my site is built around, but the ads do not contain my keyword phrase within them.

        On sites where the ads are directly relevant to my target keywords, I often get a 50-200% CTR on those sites/pages. For those sites, my keyword phrase (or a very close variation of it) appears in the ad title and description.

        So if you're using a theme and ad layout that you know should be good for achieving a high CTR and yet your CTR still isn't that great, it's probably down to one of 2 (if not both) things:

        1) Your ads aren't that closely relevant to your target keyword phrase(s).
        2) Your ads for some reason just aren't particularly appealing.

        Usually the former.
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      • Profile picture of the author XFactor
        Originally Posted by sena123 View Post

        Hi John... Do you still manage getting 50%-75% CTR ?? After a lot people copying your template....( including me )

        I only manage ctr 5% :confused: even i have follow all your lesson...
        Typically the 50-75% (even 100%) will be seen on a brand new site when
        the visitors are low (or a site that only brings in a steady 10-15 daily visits.

        So no, once more traffic comes that goes down, as it should.

        About a template, I like to make my sites very different now out of pure
        fun and variety.

        Not to mention the layout is being copied by everyone and their grandma,
        which produces risk of those knuckleheads out there looking to do damage.

        - John
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      John... I'm sure I speak for a lot of people here when I say it's good to hear back from you again with regards to the whole AdSense malarky

      I know over the past few weeks/months a lot of people have been fretting about deindexing, AdSense account bans, etc, mostly in relation to building small sites. But as you say, the idea isn't to build small sites, but to target sites to small specific niches (at least at first) to reap the SEO benefits this can give you initially and get raking that moolas in quicker than you would if you slapped up completely random articles about completely random subjects on a single website.

      Although I'm sure that can work too. It's just a different approach.

      Personally I don't worry too much about any of the aforementioned things other people are fretting over.

      I'm sure one thing people will pick up on here is the thing you mention about having an AdSense rep...

      So many people worry about "manual reviews" of their accounts, etc, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say if you have a designated rep within the company they've looked at and scrutinized all of your sites and don't feel anything is wrong with them. I'm sure that brings you (as it would anyone else in your position) a certain added level of peace of mind.

      My question is just this, really: How did you come to engage with this representative? Did they simply contact you after a certain point (of earning so much per day / sending them so many impressions/clicks or what not), and take it from there?

      Is this something that is commonplace, do you know? In other words, when those of us also have a portfolio of sites similar in size and success to yours, are we likely to be allocated a representative which will allow for us to build a closer, stronger and more mutually-trustful relationship with Google?

      I hope this question makes sense.
      Mr Dire - you'r a smart cat. I've read a few of your posts in the past.

      You'll be doing well

      About a rep - I was called the first time in late 2008 when my health
      site reached around $4000 monthly.

      They asked if it could be used on their case study files, but I turned it
      down.

      - John
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by slimjim2010 View Post

      No offense, but 200% CTR just doesn't make any sense.

      So they click your Adsense Ad, leave your site, then come back & click the Adsense Ad again?

      You couldn't possibly have more than a 100% CTR, & I doubt very much any site on the net has a 100% Adsense CTR.

      That's just not realistic...
      Actually, it's perfectly realistic when you think about it.

      I use a 336x280 ad block at the top of my page. That ad block has 4 ads within it. On those sites, every single one of those ads is closely relevant. My visitors can and often do click on more than one ad.

      I don't know in what way they do it (whether they click, return and then click again), but I'd wager a bet that they're opening each link in a new tab/browser window.

      Simple really
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  • Profile picture of the author XFactor
    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

    TBH and I don't care if I get flamed for this. WHO CARES.

    This part of the forum is flooded with this XFactor stuff and every time it moves of the first page of this section you or someone else (coincidence?) creates a new thread about it. Just stop already.

    And when I read your guide - you didn't even make clear what you are now making clear to us all.

    Anyways. Stop cluttering up this place with your self promotion and stuff about your guide. Nobody cares and if they do they're obviously not sick listening to it yet. Which is easily done considering the amount of threads there is about it.

    Also self promotion is not allowed in this forum. So you're breaking rules too.

    NOTE: This is all based on my frustration to having to see these threads written nealy every friggin day (if there's none on the front page of this section) and become popular every bloody time one is posted even though it's totally self promotion.

    JUST STOP!
    I apologize if you think I am starting too many threads.

    There have been 3 started this year related to adsense and publishing.

    I too would love to see all of the XFactor misunderstandings and such
    from being started.

    I tend not to open them up - works very well

    - John
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

      Well it's not good to see you galavanting around in here inadvetently promoting your product while going undectdected for what you're doing.

      If you really want to clear up the misconceptions with your members you could just mail them couldn't you?

      Yes you could.

      Or set up a forum for them.

      Yes I'm angry but only because you're getting away with all this self promotion malarky while others can't even say boo.

      Go mail them next time.
      Don't be angry - life is too short

      And thanks for bringing up more points I can clarify - see how
      wonderful you are about letting me know what to post?

      - The Xfactor misconceptions and confusions are not those that have
      my book and email me questions - it's the public - the very same Xfactor
      threads that are making you so stressed out.

      - I do have a forum

      Any more questions? I'm in a giving mood this weekend.

      - John
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  • Profile picture of the author culvers
    Well a forum is about sharing. People are keen to hear John's views on things. Whats the fuss? If you don't want to read about it, dont click on the thread

    John - are you still launching new sites? Or do you now just focus on building out your existing ones? Also - is your content still similar to what you stated in your ebook? i.e for product based niches, mainly rewrites of product descriptions.
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by culvers View Post

      Well a forum is about sharing. People are keen to hear John's views on things. Whats the fuss? If you don't want to read about it, dont click on the thread

      John - are you still launching new sites? Or do you now just focus on building out your existing ones? Also - is your content still similar to what you stated in your ebook? i.e for product based niches, mainly rewrites of product descriptions.
      Hi Culvers,

      With so much going on, both online and offline, I plan on stopping at
      around 15,000 total pages, then backlink to get all pages ranked and
      earning daily. That may take a while.

      There is never one-way to set forth a plan. I do have some testing
      with other niches and such, but I've got so many more exciting projects
      I'd like to get into.

      Your Content Question:

      And as far as content, the example I gave is just one way of going about
      writing.

      You can write about anything you wish, really.

      Depends on your niche and keywords.

      Someone asked how can so many articles be written around, for example,
      "thick yoga mats".

      Well, one of the basic ways of keeping your sites of higher quality is to
      write about the niche itself.

      Someone already pointed this out earlier in this thread.

      So taking a "Yoga Mats" example, how much more depth could you add
      to your site by giving viewers more information on yoga?

      They are already interested in yoga mats, because they found your site,
      so take some planning on adding more beef to add tips on all-around
      yoga.

      If they want yoga mats, common sense tells me that they are interested
      in yoga.

      Now starting a site from scratch could be:

      1) Micro Niche: "Thick Yoga Mats"

      2) Targeted Niche: "Yoga Mats"

      3) General Niche: "Yoga Supplies"

      4) Authority: "Yoga"

      - John
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      • Profile picture of the author LX10
        How much time does it take you to find a micro niche? (1 day? 2?)
        And, What do you consider a micro niche? (6000 search per month?)
        I'm finding it, a very hard and time consuming task.
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  • Profile picture of the author mejohn
    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

    That means promoting your product in the general forums dicsussions is prohibited.

    Which you're breaking.

    And if anyone wanted any misconceptions cleared up you said it yourself. You have a forum and they can email you.

    So what's with your inability to abide by the rules like the rest of us?


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    John is all about helping people. Even in the promotion page to buy his ebook, he tells people they can learn everything they need from the free forum thread, thus promoting this forum. If you read his main thread, every time somebody tried to get him to self promote, he directed them away from it.

    I, for one, am very appreciative of what he has to share, and have gotten my Adsense income up to $200 per month through his advice. I did not buy his ebook, but read his thread from start to finish and really appreciate everything he has to share.

    John, if you are reading this: I read a thread about turning interest based ads off in Adsense account settings increasing CTR. Have you ever tried this?
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      I think he makes a lot of $$$ from the 101 websites with Adsense, I don't think he needs the money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vexo
      Originally Posted by mejohn View Post


      John, if you are reading this: I read a thread about turning interest based ads off in Adsense account settings increasing CTR. Have you ever tried this?
      Would also love your input on this John.
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by mejohn View Post

      John is all about helping people. Even in the promotion page to buy his ebook, he tells people they can learn everything they need from the free forum thread, thus promoting this forum. If you read his main thread, every time somebody tried to get him to self promote, he directed them away from it.

      I, for one, am very appreciative of what he has to share, and have gotten my Adsense income up to $200 per month through his advice. I did not buy his ebook, but read his thread from start to finish and really appreciate everything he has to share.

      John, if you are reading this: I read a thread about turning interest based ads off in Adsense account settings increasing CTR. Have you ever tried this?
      Hi John,

      Honestly, I have not changed my interest-based settings and I do
      not plan to.

      I have no negative reasons not to do so, just that things are running very
      smoothly as is.

      - John
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  • Profile picture of the author thehobbster
    Thank you, Xfactor. I have come across your information before and it has helped me comprehend the micro-niche side of Adsense. I am pursuing an authority site, but your work has helped me figure out how to attack micro-niches within my larger niche. I appreciate your help.
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by thehobbster View Post

      Thank you, Xfactor. I have come across your information before and it has helped me comprehend the micro-niche side of Adsense. I am pursuing an authority site, but your work has helped me figure out how to attack micro-niches within my larger niche. I appreciate your help.
      Your welcome.

      And remember: An authority site is simply a bunch of micro niches
      all rolled into a sensible category structure on the same domain.

      It's good stuff.

      The only mistake I made with my 2,000 page health site is not
      siloing. It would have helped my rankings better in the long run.

      Big lesson learned there.

      - John
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      • Profile picture of the author Davioli
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Your welcome.

        And remember: An authority site is simply a bunch of micro niches
        all rolled into a sensible category structure on the same domain.

        It's good stuff.

        The only mistake I made with my 2,000 page health site is not
        siloing. It would have helped my rankings better in the long run.

        Big lesson learned there.

        - John
        Amazing tips Xfactor! I admit I didn't buy your ebook.. but around the same time that you wrote the massive thread on Adsense here on WF.. I took those tips .. put in my own ideas..and started building large authority websites. (Its become a very good part of my online income now .. so thanks!)

        Would you care to explain how to go about siloing? Is it something like creating content rich "category" pages that link to all pages in that micro niche?
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        • Profile picture of the author thehobbster
          Originally Posted by Davioli View Post

          Would you care to explain how to go about siloing? Is it something like creating content rich "category" pages that link to all pages in that micro niche?
          Yes, I'm also not familiar with this term "siloing." Could you please go a little more indepth? And thanks for your reply, it lets me know that I've come to some correct conclusions on my own, which boosts my confidence. Thanks again.
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          • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
            Originally Posted by thehobbster View Post

            Yes, I'm also not familiar with this term "siloing." Could you please go a little more indepth? And thanks for your reply, it lets me know that I've come to some correct conclusions on my own, which boosts my confidence. Thanks again.
            "Siloing" is quite an advanced on-site SEO concept that is probably best explained in some sort of diagram/illustration, since it's otherwise hard to grasp the structure of such sites (and hard to explain using just words).

            The aim is to better circulate the link-juice around your site whilst more clearly establishing your sites various themes in a more organized fashion. It can help you rank better for tougher / broader keyword phrases and perhaps cut down on the amount of offsite anchored backlinking you need to do to each individual page in order to be able to rank for such terms.

            Basically though, it consists of cutting down on the amount of internal linking you do to individual pages on your site (at least when the page your linking to comes under a slightly different topic/theme) - opting instead to link to the category page which acts as a sort of mini sitemap.

            So instead of linking from an article about "red leather boots" directly to another article about "boot laces for red boots" you might instead link to your main "boot laces" category page (which will then contain the link to that article), on which you'll list all articles about boot laces, thus increasing that pages relevancy for the broader term "boot laces" as well as helping out the individual pages ranking.

            The issue some people seem to have is that it sometimes makes human navigation of your site a little less straight forward. You can however order the various pages under that category/silo in a fashion which makes it easier for people to find what they're looking for.

            I told you it's hard to explain, haha. Maybe someone else can do a better job.

            EDIT: John beat me to it with a nice little diagram Cheers for the diagram!
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            • Profile picture of the author Carol01
              Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

              "Siloing" is quite an advanced on-site SEO concept that is probably best explained in some sort of diagram/illustration, since it's otherwise hard to grasp the structure of such sites (and hard to explain using just words).

              The aim is to better circulate the link-juice around your site whilst more clearly establishing your sites various themes in a more organized fashion. It can help you rank better for tougher / broader keyword phrases and perhaps cut down on the amount of offsite anchored backlinking you need to do to each individual page in order to be able to rank for such terms.

              Basically though, it consists of cutting down on the amount of internal linking you do to individual pages on your site (at least when the page your linking to comes under a slightly different topic/theme) - opting instead to link to the category page which acts as a sort of mini sitemap.

              So instead of linking from an article about "red leather boots" directly to another article about "boot laces for red boots" you might instead link to your main "boot laces" category page (which will then contain the link to that article), on which you'll list all articles about boot laces, thus increasing that pages relevancy for the broader term "boot laces" as well as helping out the individual pages ranking.

              The issue some people seem to have is that it sometimes makes human navigation of your site a little less straight forward. You can however order the various pages under that category/silo in a fashion which makes it easier for people to find what they're looking for.

              I told you it's hard to explain, haha. Maybe someone else can do a better job.

              EDIT: John beat me to it with a nice little diagram Cheers for the diagram!
              I am a newbie and just started a few months back. I had got an impression that a pyramid like structure is good for a site above 100 pages. Something similar to the one shown in canonicalseo theme pyramids ( i am new in forum too so can't post link or picture. if you search it on google you will get the page)

              Is silo link structure better than the pyramid like linking structure? My site is new so i can still change its structure and your inputs would help me a lot at this stage.
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        • Profile picture of the author archkre
          Hey there:

          What's your opinion on the new trend presented in 'Nanocontext' or 'Adsense Geyser' in which the authors go for both High CPC Kws and High amount traffic KW and they make what they call a 'funnel' to send traffic to the high $$ CPC KWS pages, where the Adsense ads are, please?

          Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    Dude,

    seriously ... how much must it suck to be you?

    As a final note ... you're one of only 3 people here in several years to make my ignore list. Then endless stream of nonsense emanating from your pc to my screen ends today.

    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

    TBH and I don't care if I get flamed for this. WHO CARES.

    This part of the forum is flooded with this XFactor stuff and every time it moves of the first page of this section you or someone else (coincidence?) creates a new thread about it. Just stop already.

    And when I read your guide - you didn't even make clear what you are now making clear to us all.

    Anyways. Stop cluttering up this place with your self promotion and stuff about your guide. Nobody cares and if they do they're obviously not sick listening to it yet. Which is easily done considering the amount of threads there is about it.

    Also self promotion is not allowed in this forum. So you're breaking rules too.

    NOTE: This is all based on my frustration to having to see these threads written nealy every friggin day (if there's none on the front page of this section) and become popular every bloody time one is posted even though it's totally self promotion.

    JUST STOP!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    John, I am curious to see if you have suffered a traffic drop since the Google changes that have occurred the last couple of months, most notably May? Many ecommerce sites that rely heavily on long tail traffic have taken large hits. These sites rank due to internal linking rather than offsite promotion.

    I know that these sites are my main competition and from what I have read you do a bit of product targeting as well so just interested to see which way your traffic went where others dropped. My theory is that SEO'd product pages should be replacing the product pages that otherwise rely on nothing but domain trust and authority.

    In regards to your micro site/micro niche recommendation, I couldn't agree more. Leaving a page sit at one page deep is leaving money on the table. You also have the potential to diversify your income of the one domain.

    Taking your yoga mats example - you can sell yogo mats and you can sell books that teach you how to use yoga mats. There should be at least 10 different thick yoga mats that get recommended by instructors each day that you could write about, compare, demonstrate etc. Turn the $1/day business and make it worthwhile.
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      John, I am curious to see if you have suffered a traffic drop since the Google changes that have occurred the last couple of months, most notably May? Many ecommerce sites that rely heavily on long tail traffic have taken large hits. These sites rank due to internal linking rather than offsite promotion.

      I know that these sites are my main competition and from what I have read you do a bit of product targeting as well so just interested to see which way your traffic went where others dropped. My theory is that SEO'd product pages should be replacing the product pages that otherwise rely on nothing but domain trust and authority.

      In regards to your micro site/micro niche recommendation, I couldn't agree more. Leaving a page sit at one page deep is leaving money on the table. You also have the potential to diversify your income of the one domain.

      Taking your yoga mats example - you can sell yogo mats and you can sell books that teach you how to use yoga mats. There should be at least 10 different thick yoga mats that get recommended by instructors each day that you could right about, compare, demonstrate etc. Turn the $1/day business and make it worthwhile.
      About your questions:

      1) My rankings and earnings are always fluctuating, and I am aware of the
      recent changes (which I think is great), but due to my pages have at least
      500 words of content on most - I'm not concerned.

      2) Siloing: Here is a very simple diagram:

      http://trafficcpanel.com/wp-content/...-structure.png

      It's a basic, simple way of categorizing big sites that is nothing new, but
      something that should be considered in the beginning of a site.

      Of course, micro niches and such do not need this.

      - John
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      • Profile picture of the author TammieJJ
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        About your questions:

        1) My rankings and earnings are always fluctuating, and I am aware of the
        recent changes (which I think is great), but due to my pages have at least
        500 words of content on most - I'm not concerned.

        2) Siloing: Here is a very simple diagram:

        http://trafficcpanel.com/wp-content/...-structure.png

        It's a basic, simple way of categorizing big sites that is nothing new, but
        something that should be considered in the beginning of a site.

        Of course, micro niches and such do not need this.

        - John
        Thanks for the explanatory diagram! Your original Adsense Masters course was worth every penny, and I look forward to the upcoming new release.
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post


      Taking your yoga mats example - you can sell yogo mats and you can sell books that teach you how to use yoga mats. There should be at least 10 different thick yoga mats that get recommended by instructors each day that you could right about, compare, demonstrate etc. Turn the $1/day business and make it worthwhile.
      It's amazing how much more work we can come up with from a creative
      standpoint, instead of relying on tools to do and show us everything.

      Great ideas you have there.

      The mind can be much more profitable than anything we ever could buy
      online to teach us how to make money.

      - John
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    I am not affiliated with John, but he has helped me go from making a few pennies per month on AdSense to an expected $850-860 in total for month of May and this is in 2 months time frame.
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  • Profile picture of the author sena123
    I undertand that both DireStraits & Xfactor said that super high ctr trick is based on niche ad relevancy itself ... but ...
    i have a website about digital meat thermometer, i checked it on spyfu and that niche had nice relevant ads (showing low price, deals etc)...but my adsense never reach ctr up to 50%, actually below 5% ... :-(

    I'm really sure that i've done good on-page SEO like keyword in domain then
    title : digital meat thermometer
    Des :digital meat thermometer bla bla bla
    h1 :
    digital meat thermometer
    So, is there anything wrong on my website ?? how can i check that adsense ads showing relevant ads or not? i live in Indonesia so i can't check the ads relevant directly by visiting my site ...
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by sena123 View Post

      I undertand that both DireStraits & Xfactor said that super high ctr trick is based on niche ad relevancy itself ... but ...
      i have a website about digital meat thermometer, i checked it on spyfu and that niche had nice relevant ads (showing low price, deals etc)...but my adsense never reach ctr up to 50%, actually below 5% ... :-(

      I'm really sure that i've done good on-page SEO like keyword in domain then
      title : digital meat thermometer
      Des :digital meat thermometer bla bla bla
      h1 :
      digital meat thermometer
      So, is there anything wrong on my website ?? how can i check that adsense ads showing relevant ads or not? i live in Indonesia so i can't check the ads relevant directly by visiting my site ...
      It's worth remembering that as good a tool as SpyFu is, and as important as it may be to check your keyword(s) out with it in order to get some idea of a keywords revenue potential from Google ads, the tool itself - at least as far as I know - doesn't take into account any advertisements which may be set to show only on the content network (AdSense)... only those set to display under the sponsored links section of Google itself.

      So you might see 20 advertisers displaying in SpyFu with an average CPC of $.75 to $3.50... yet it may simply be the case that none of those advertisers also chose to display their ads on the content network.. and even if they did, the CPC itself for their ads on the content network versus Google search may be vastly reduced.

      There is really nothing you can do to get any guarantees or predict with any absolute certainty how many ads are going to show, how relevant they may be or how good the CPCs will be for the content network, without actually testing.

      I myself have experienced this. I always check my main keyword for new sites out in SpyFu before making a decision to go ahead with launching that site or not. One of my sites showed plenty of ads for my target keyword but when I launched the site only one closely relevant advertisement was displayed, and after a month or two that itself disappeared. The only ads left were those moderately relevant (about similar products but not the specific brand of product I was targeting).

      This resulted in a site which - although still nicely profitable - had a much lower CTR than those sites where the ads were directly relevant.

      As for your question about how you can see what ads are displayed for visitors in other countries, you have two options:

      1) Ask someone in the country you'd like to check for to visit your site and check and/or take a screenshot (which may be risky if you don't fully "trust" them).

      2) Look for a free proxy server physically situated in the country you'd like to check the ads for, and load your web page through this proxy. This should work.
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      • Profile picture of the author sena123
        Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

        It's worth remembering that as good a tool as SpyFu is, and as important as it may be to check your keyword(s) out with it in order to get some idea of a keywords revenue potential from Google ads, the tool itself - at least as far as I know - doesn't take into account any advertisements which may be set to show only on the content network (AdSense)... only those set to display under the sponsored links section of Google itself.

        So you might see 20 advertisers displaying in SpyFu with an average CPC of $.75 to $3.50... yet it may simply be the case that none of those advertisers also chose to display their ads on the content network.. and even if they did, the CPC itself for their ads on the content network versus Google search may be vastly reduced.

        There is really nothing you can do to get any guarantees or predict with any absolute certainty how many ads are going to show, how relevant they may be or how good the CPCs will be for the content network, without actually testing.

        I myself have experienced this. I always check my main keyword for new sites out in SpyFu before making a decision to go ahead with launching that site or not. One of my sites showed plenty of ads for my target keyword but when I launched the site only one closely relevant advertisement was displayed, and after a month or two that itself disappeared. The only ads left were those moderately relevant (about similar products but not the specific brand of product I was targeting).

        This resulted in a site which - although still nicely profitable - had a much lower CTR than those sites where the ads were directly relevant.

        As for your question about how you can see what ads are displayed for visitors in other countries, you have two options:

        1) Ask someone in the country you'd like to check for to visit your site and check and/or take a screenshot (which may be risky if you don't fully "trust" them).

        2) Look for a free proxy server physically situated in the country you'd like to check the ads for, and load your web page through this proxy. This should work.
        ahaaa...so thats why the adsense ads on my website never appear the same as showed in spyfu ... i have a friend live in US maybe i should contact him soon ...

        Thx a lot for your great response DireStraits (i really like the 'sultans of swing' song) ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    John got a question for you mate..

    Say I wanted to build a really large site like you did with your health site....300-1000 pages should I just keep adding as many new pages as I can at first and then 6month later go back and start building backlinks or should I say submit 20 articles, work on backlinks, then submit another 20 etc...
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    • Profile picture of the author Marfling
      Hey Ernie,

      I have a 1200 page site in the work from home niche. Its quite an authority now so when I add content and link to it from my HP, I just wait til it gets indexed and see where that page shows up in the SERPs. From there I know how much work I need to do to get it to rank.

      I used to spend 3 months adding content to my sites, then spend a month or two promoting them. It doesnt matter though, but what does matter is that you consistently put pages online.

      Martin.

      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      John got a question for you mate..

      Say I wanted to build a really large site like you did with your health site....300-1000 pages should I just keep adding as many new pages as I can at first and then 6month later go back and start building backlinks or should I say submit 20 articles, work on backlinks, then submit another 20 etc...
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      John got a question for you mate..

      Say I wanted to build a really large site like you did with your health site....300-1000 pages should I just keep adding as many new pages as I can at first and then 6month later go back and start building backlinks or should I say submit 20 articles, work on backlinks, then submit another 20 etc...
      For every question there are about 100 different options.

      How confusing is that?

      Seriously, what makes some people get frustrated out there (not you),
      is asking a question and then getting about a dozen options.

      We all want 1 answer, 1 method, and only 1 road that will be the end-all,
      be-all definitive process.

      But it doesn't exist.

      So, having said that - it doesn't really matter how you go about your
      site in question.

      Note:

      I've loaded 500 articles at once to my health site some months back,
      and the site suffered no setbacks in current rankings.


      So if I were you, think structurally instead of bulk numbers.

      For example:

      1) Launch with your home page, all of your main category pages, and
      a minimum of 5 pages for each of those category pages.

      2) Start regularly back-linking to the home page (think less links, higher
      quality, and consecutively, and to each new article as best possible.

      3) Devise a plan where you can maintain your regular backlinks, while
      adding content on a scheduled basis as well (think "5 pages per week
      and 2 backlinks daily" - something along those lines).

      This will not only keep your site slowly growing, but the backlinks will
      also grow slowly, and most importantly - naturally.

      And then let the natural process of the search engines take over (think like a Jedi),
      while you continue to build up your site and other sites.

      - John
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        We all want 1 answer, 1 method, and only 1 road that will be the end-all,
        be-all definitive process.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        Thanks for the plan John

        I wrote up a list of keywords and have ordered 50 new articles from my writer.

        I Chose 5 keywords each for 7 more categories (35 articles) then I chose 15 random keywords because there arent enough worthwhile variations of these keywords to make up a category of 5.

        I also chose keywords that get searched more than the current keywords Ive been writing about yet there not necessarily going to be harder to rank for.

        Heres to more traffic and money and a new month that will sure to beat last months earnings

        Ernie

        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        For every question there are about 100 different options.

        How confusing is that?

        Seriously, what makes some people get frustrated out there (not you),
        is asking a question and then getting about a dozen options.

        We all want 1 answer, 1 method, and only 1 road that will be the end-all,
        be-all definitive process.

        But it doesn't exist.

        So, having said that - it doesn't really matter how you go about your
        site in question.

        Note:

        I've loaded 500 articles at once to my health site some months back,
        and the site suffered no setbacks in current rankings.


        So if I were you, think structurally instead of bulk numbers.

        For example:

        1) Launch with your home page, all of your main category pages, and
        a minimum of 5 pages for each of those category pages.

        2) Start regularly back-linking to the home page (think less links, higher
        quality, and consecutively, and to each new article as best possible.

        3) Devise a plan where you can maintain your regular backlinks, while
        adding content on a scheduled basis as well (think "5 pages per week
        and 2 backlinks daily" - something along those lines).

        This will not only keep your site slowly growing, but the backlinks will
        also grow slowly, and most importantly - naturally.

        And then let the natural process of the search engines take over (think like a Jedi),
        while you continue to build up your site and other sites.

        - John
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  • Profile picture of the author Evita
    Hey, John

    Great going there!! And thanks for the thread.

    I'm curious how you set up the navigation for sites with a lot of pages. How do you combine not having all too many clickable links up high on the page with usable navigation for the visitor?

    Best,
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      • Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

        I'm curious too, but John will probably say something like "I've diverge from the traditional xfactor template, do I make less money? Sure."
        maybe perhaps he has related links in the bottom of each article
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Evita View Post

      Hey, John

      Great going there!! And thanks for the thread.

      I'm curious how you set up the navigation for sites with a lot of pages. How do you combine not having all too many clickable links up high on the page with usable navigation for the visitor?

      Best,
      Evita
      Hi Evita,

      Long time, no talk! How are you doing?

      About your question, do you remember the old example that I created
      based on the simplistic health site I was running a couple of years ago?

      Very much the same, with categories on the left.

      I have a nice header though that I went back to.

      No real rhyme or reason for these little attributes - sites can look and
      flow any which way a person wants.

      - John
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    LOL, it's like a cult now isn't it. I felt like somebody just hung me on the cross and lit me on fire. I will skip the two posts above to avoid getting into circular arguments but you have no bases to give opinions on something you never purchased.

    I, on the other hand, DOES own John's e-book. I was in his forum for a little while where I witnessed stay-at-home moms writing 500 articles and making $1/day from their sites.

    and I'm the bad guy?

    The point I raised are valid questions and I will ask again.

    How does one build 100 pages of content around "thick yoga mat" and still yield a profit?

    1. 100 pages of content at $15/article is $1500.
    2. You submit 10 articles to promote each page to EZA and GA, that's $150 more. Multiple by a hundred it's $15000 to just promote this one website.

    Total cost, $16,500.

    Are you guys diluted? Please, be constructive with your feedback instead of name-calling and talking about how John is a loving family guy.

    Cigarette's companies donate millions of dollars each year to Africa, but that doesn't negate the fact that cigarettes cause cancer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Davioli
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      LOL, it's like a cult now isn't it. I felt like somebody just hung me on the cross and lit me on fire. I will skip the two posts above to avoid getting into circular arguments but you have no bases to give opinions on something you never purchased.

      I, on the other hand, DOES own John's e-book. I was in his forum for a little while where I witnessed stay-at-home moms writing 500 articles and making $1/day from their sites.

      and I'm the bad guy?

      The point I raised are valid questions and I will ask again.

      How does one build 100 pages of content around "thick yoga mat" and still yield a profit?

      1. 100 pages of content at $15/article is $1500.
      2. You submit 10 articles to promote each page to EZA and GA, that's $150 more. Multiple by a hundred it's $15000 to just promote this one website.

      Total cost, $16,500.

      Are you guys diluted? Please, be constructive with your feedback instead of name-calling and talking about how John is a loving family guy.

      Cigarette's companies donate millions of dollars each year to Africa, but that doesn't negate the fact that cigarettes cause cancer.
      Your hatred is so apparent. You're skewing the facts to make your point.

      I'll keep it short so you'll understand:

      1) When you have more than 30 pages of content.. you don't really need to backlink newer articles as much. Most of them can be left unlinked externally.. and they'll still rank. just due to the internal links a website with over 1k articles generates!

      2) $15 an article? Well.. If you read what he's written... he used to write most articles himself. Even if you were to outsource.. you'd easily get articles for under $10 of HIGH QUALITY if you know where to look.

      2) The articles are added over time.. not at once. you reinvest your profit to make more.
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      • Profile picture of the author Davioli
        I forgot to mention...
        Keyword research. You could have a thousand pages and make less than a buck a day if you aren't targeting the right keywords.
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by Davioli View Post

        Your hatred is so apparent. You're skewing the facts to make your point.

        I'll keep it short so you'll understand:

        1) When you have more than 30 pages of content.. you don't really need to backlink newer articles as much. Most of them can be left unlinked externally.. and they'll still rank. just due to the internal links a website with over 1k articles generates!

        2) $15 an article? Well.. If you read what he's written... he used to write most articles himself. Even if you were to outsource.. you'd easily get articles for under $10 of HIGH QUALITY if you know where to look.

        2) The articles are added over time.. not at once. you reinvest your profit to make more.
        So do the math then, give me examples, use $10/article, or show me one of these sites with 100 pages of content that makes a decent ROI. I don't have anything against John, just his posts and inconsistencies.

        oh and also the stay-at-home moms that got duped.

        1. Time spent on writing articles is also part of cost, it's not a hobby, it's a business. If you want to treat this as a hobby then this whole discussion is pointless.
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        • Profile picture of the author Davioli
          Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

          So do the math then, give me examples, or show me one of these sites with 100 pages of content that makes a decent ROI. I don't have anything against John, just his posts and inconsistencies.

          oh and also the stay-at-home moms that got duped.
          This is the problem with you lot... These are not Government bonds that give a fixed return every year.

          You can't really do the math. It all comes down to how you assess a niche and how much competition there is.

          For some niches you might have 50 articles.. but if the CPC is low and/or the competition is too high you'd make less than $5 a day.
          For others.. lesser articles on the site will make the same revenue.

          As for your point about the stay at home moms.. When you say they've written 100's of articles with no income. It all comes down to keyword research and niches chosen. Who knows what niches they've chosen.

          You're trying to get hard numbers without considering that this is a real business. There are a lot of variables to consider.

          Foe example: Subway franchises DO make money. You will make more money if you open it at the right location.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marfling
          Hey,

          If you pick a good enough niche you could easily get a healthy return on a $15 investment for an article, and pretty quickly too (providing it ranks). I wouldnt pay for 100 articles upfront though because a) I cant afford to yet and b) I wouldnt be able to respond to any KW trends.

          I have a site im starting to add outsourced content to, I pay $9 for an article and then Ill spend my time getting it ranked. Im confident that Ill get that article ranked within 3 months (usually much less) and from then on it will make at least the cost of the article back each month. Some might only make $1pm, most make more - much more. As soon as the cost of the articles recouped im in profit.

          I agree that building a 100 page site around "Thick Yoga Mats" might not be lucrative and very difficult, however creative you are. Not all your sites have to be 100 pages though, if you want to build a quick 10 page site about thick yoga mats, do it. I have one or two sites that only have between 8 and 20 pages and they do very well.

          If you get your KW research right and put in the elbow grease to get the article ranked, you could easily pay $50 for an article and turn a profit over the year.

          Martin.

          Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

          So do the math then, give me examples, use $10/article, or show me one of these sites with 100 pages of content that makes a decent ROI. I don't have anything against John, just his posts and inconsistencies.

          oh and also the stay-at-home moms that got duped.

          1. Time spent on writing articles is also part of cost, it's not a hobby, it's a business. If you want to treat this as a hobby then this whole discussion is pointless.
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          • Profile picture of the author XFactor
            Originally Posted by Marfling View Post

            Hey,

            If you pick a good enough niche you could easily get a healthy return on a $15 investment for an article, and pretty quickly too (providing it ranks). I wouldnt pay for 100 articles upfront though because a) I cant afford to yet and b) I wouldnt be able to respond to any KW trends.

            I have a site im starting to add outsourced content to, I pay $9 for an article and then Ill spend my time getting it ranked. Im confident that Ill get that article ranked within 3 months (usually much less) and from then on it will make at least the cost of the article back each month. Some might only make $1pm, most make more - much more. As soon as the cost of the articles recouped im in profit.

            I agree that building a 100 page site around "Thick Yoga Mats" might not be lucrative and very difficult, however creative you are. Not all your sites have to be 100 pages though, if you want to build a quick 10 page site about thick yoga mats, do it. I have one or two sites that only have between 8 and 20 pages and they do very well.

            If you get your KW research right and put in the elbow grease to get the article ranked, you could easily pay $50 for an article and turn a profit over the year.

            Martin.
            Hi Martin,

            How are you? I got your email (will reply soon enough).

            Good point on the "thick yoga mats" example.

            For most people it would very tough to branch out on that product
            alone, but as I mentioned earlier - one can easily pick and choose
            an abundance of long-tail keywords based off the hundreds of
            other topics on yoga.

            Then have a link that says "Yoga Articles" in your nav menu, then
            link a string of good articles about yoga from that one page.

            Those pages will rank on their own, given the right long-tails are
            used and plenty of links are coming to the site itself.

            This has been my experience, everyone's mileage may vary.

            - John
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            • Profile picture of the author Marfling
              Hey John,

              Great thanks, just venturing into new waters with that project - any thoughts would be greatly received.

              Thats probably how I would roll out the yoga site, nothing wrong with having an article section about other yoga info on there.

              There's sooo many different ways of going about it, so long as they all involve putting content online, it doesnt really matter.

              Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

              Hi Martin,

              How are you? I got your email (will reply soon enough).

              Good point on the "thick yoga mats" example.

              For most people it would very tough to branch out on that product
              alone, but as I mentioned earlier - one can easily pick and choose
              an abundance of long-tail keywords based off the hundreds of
              other topics on yoga.

              Then have a link that says "Yoga Articles" in your nav menu, then
              link a string of good articles about yoga from that one page.

              Those pages will rank on their own, given the right long-tails are
              used and plenty of links are coming to the site itself.

              This has been my experience, everyone's mileage may vary.

              - John
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              • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                Originally Posted by Marfling View Post

                Hey John,

                Great thanks, just venturing into new waters with that project - any thoughts would be greatly received.

                Thats probably how I would roll out the yoga site, nothing wrong with having an article section about other yoga info on there.

                There's sooo many different ways of going about it, so long as they all involve putting content online, it doesnt really matter.
                Thanks for reminding me to bring up a point.

                And that is that I never planned on building such large sites out of
                these micro niches when I started the first 30 or so.

                It's just something I wanted to do over time. Ideally I would like to
                see each of those 100 sites bringing in a stable $20 or more per day
                as the rankings move up for each long-tail article page I added.

                Some of these pages will rank and make dollars, others pennies, some
                not-so-much.

                But If I were to advise others on building larger sites from the start, I
                would definitely go with a more general theme (like yoga supplies or
                something).

                However, small micro niche sites are a great asset and will remain
                the best way to get results as fast as possible.

                I still advise this route for most individuals (a mixture, actually).

                - John
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                • Profile picture of the author WebDesignGuy
                  The xfactor method and theme are working well for me. I had been using adsense for years -the wrong way. I never had more than $20-30 per month and basically gave up on it.

                  I got the ebook and used his template on a site of mine that I had neglected for years and after the update the site with the same content started getting me clicks and seeing 10-20% CTR. I'm so excited I'm now adding new content to build it out more.

                  I have about 12 sites with + or - 10 pages. The past 3 months my revenue has doubled each month since using the xfactor method.
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        • Profile picture of the author apollocreed
          Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

          So do the math then, give me examples, use $10/article, or show me one of these sites with 100 pages of content that makes a decent ROI. I don't have anything against John, just his posts and inconsistencies.

          oh and also the stay-at-home moms that got duped.

          1. Time spent on writing articles is also part of cost, it's not a hobby, it's a business. If you want to treat this as a hobby then this whole discussion is pointless.
          This thread is funny.

          unlimitedsubmissions,

          Although your observations, analysis and conclusions are correct and rational in my opinion and experience; you must not forget that the desire to make money and the need to believe in something that gives you hope is not.

          You are truly wasting your energy in trying to "expose" Xfactor. You need to let people find out for themselves.

          Your attempts at trying to "save" working moms are futile. They will never believe you and they will always trust the guy who is giving them what they believe to be great advice and has a picture of a baby on his profile.

          You are just beginning to sound like Richard Dawkins. Let those in the xfactor cult be.

          There is no point in going into a Big Foot forum and and then start debunking its existence. People will believe what they want to believe.

          Even if his main thesis is inefficient and mathematically preposterous, his course does provide a great education and a basis for newbies to start doing something online. His course, though flawed and incomplete, is better than 95% of other courses out there. Even with its inconsistencies, I would still recommend any newbie struggling to make money online to get his course.
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          • Profile picture of the author inter123
            You can have the best course in the world or the most average. When people participate in something unfortunately not everyone for whatever reason will end up a winner. This is what happens in all walks of life.

            Originally Posted by apollocreed View Post

            You are truly wasting your energy in trying to "expose" Xfactor. You need to let people find out for themselves.
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            • Profile picture of the author apollocreed
              Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

              You can have the best course in the world or the most average. When people participate in something unfortunately not everyone for whatever reason is going to end up a winner.
              Yes that is 100% true.

              People need to take what is in Xfactor (or in any course) and mix it up with their own experiences to create something new that will work for them. You can never make money if you are not creative and not willing to add your own intelligence to a venture. I have never met a stupid successful business man, have you?

              Xfactor's course describes what he says worked for him up until last year. If the founder of Facebook gave you 100% step by step instructions on how to start a successful social network site like he did, chances are that you will fail.

              What worked last year may not necessarily work exactly this year. But that does not mean you can not take the best elements of a succesful formula from last year and build on it with your own smarts today. Just knowing what worked last year is a great starting point, that is why I recommend any newbie to get the Xfactor book.
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            • Profile picture of the author Xeen
              Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

              I'm beginning to see this a lot lately, dreams.. it triumphs everything, even logic and reason. The same reason why Muslims pray 5 times a day, Christians go to church on Sundays and turn a blind eye when they go to Children's Hospitals, face deaths and have prayers left unanswered.

              I will go about my business now. People that want to listen, will. People that don't, well, that's too bad.
              On top of saying that the Xfactor method is a complete fraud, you're claiming that there is no God?

              Back to the subject of generating money online - his method has been proven to make money, not just for him, but for other people. This does not mean that everyone can and will make a fortune off of it.
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              • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                The "issue" some of the above posters are referring to is with their disbelief that writing articles for submission to EZA alone for backlinks is not enough to rank a site on the first page (or positions 1-5) in many cases.

                I don't wish to stir up any more talk about this and sidetrack Johns thread, but here is my input on this matter:

                1) If you do your keyword research right you will often find your sites land on page 1 even before you build any backlinks (even if it's only a initial/temporary ranking boost due to your sites infancy in the SERPs), and if this happens it's usually an indication that you're going to be able to sustain or increase a first page ranking with minimal backlinks.

                2) In scenarios such as the above when you require very few links, links from a single "trusted" site such as EZA are often enough. In cases when you need more links, you'll need links from a greater diversity of sites/domains/IP addresses.

                3 - (and probably the most important point)) It isn't just about getting the backlinks from EZA alone, it's about having your articles republished on other sites. EZA being the most popular article directory means that articles listed there are generally picked up and republished quicker, more often and more consistently than articles submitted to other directories (which are often merely spun, inferior-quality "duplicates" anyway and don't read as well).

                Now, to elaborate on and reiterate the above point (which I'm not trying to pass off as fact, but in my own opinion, based off my own experience), what you write as well as how you write and submit your articles can make a huge difference.

                Firstly, articles about very obscure topics will probably not be in as high demand as articles about very broad, popular topics such as health/fitness, dating, etc, and thus it's likely that articles about other topics will not be republished as much.

                Having said that, categories containing articles on hot, in-demand topics are often much busier than other categories, and so any articles you submit will get "lost in the mix" much quicker.

                In other words, whilst an article submitted to a relatively obscure sub category may remain on the first few pages for a relatively long time and thus likely get more exposure to those searching for them to republish, an article in a very hot subject category will often find itself being demoted to the higher page numbers in a quicker time, thus receiving less exposure and perhaps less likely to be found as easily by those seeking to republish them.

                That is why if you're going to submit "high-demand articles" on popular topics, you have to be consistent in how you submit them. Submitting one or even 10 articles and then expecting to have them republished 1000 times and/or your site ranking in positions 1-5 on Google within 24 hours is simply not realistic. The more articles you have on there, and the more you submit consistently, the more exposure your articles will receive, the more times your articles are likely to be republished.

                I can't say what the best way to submit them is in terms of time scales and what not, but I will say it's probably better to submit them more in a most consistent ongoing manner than either submitting 100 of them at once or submitting a handful and then not submitting any for a long time to come whilst you repeatedly check your rankings and backlink in Yahoo Site Explorer.

                This is something that people don't seem to think about. They just sort of take one of two extreme approaches - throw their articles at the "wall" all at once or trickle them so finely and sparsely that the fruits of their efforts (or lack thereof) aren't as great as they could be.
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            • Profile picture of the author gulliver2010
              Yeah that would be the right thing to do of you: go about your own business and let John enjoy his success...
              That was irrational of involving religion here though... but here's my take since you're looking for so much reason and logic....
              If you find logic in having explain to me why we have 2 eye balls and not four or even 6 as spideys (2 in front and 2 behind, 2 on the left and right) i'll explain to you why God exists.
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              • Profile picture of the author BillyPilgrim
                I am endlessly amused at the amount of bandwidth nay-sayers will waste in claiming something WON"T work.
                It has for me. It didn't for you (or did you actually attempt it...that's what I thought :rolleyes. I think the real issue is apparent.
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              • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                Originally Posted by gulliver2010 View Post

                Yeah that would be the right thing to do of you: go about your own business and let John enjoy his success...
                That was irrational of involving religion here though... but here's my take since you're looking for so much reason and logic....
                If you find logic in having explain to me why we have 2 eye balls and not four or even 6 as spideys (2 in front and 2 behind, 2 on the left and right) i'll explain to you why God exists.
                To explain why he or she exist you need to first prove that he exists.

                You can't because you can't and also because it's against the forum rules.

                /argument please.
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            • Profile picture of the author nettech
              Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

              I'm beginning to see this a lot lately, dreams.. it triumphs everything, even logic and reason. The same reason why Muslims pray 5 times a day, Christians go to church on Sundays and turn a blind eye when they go to Children's Hospitals, face deaths and have prayers left unanswered.

              I will go about my business now. People that want to listen, will. People that don't, well, that's too bad.
              The reason why Muslims pray 5 times a day and Christians go to Church is not because they have blind faith, they do this because they can prove the existence of God using logic, reason and proof! Just because you can't physically see something doesn't mean its not there. Theres more evidence to prove He exsits then he doesn't. Anyway, this isn't a religious forum so I won't go on but ermmm, I think you deserve to really take a break.....think about your saying and realise that you are actually causing offence now!
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                Originally Posted by nettech View Post

                The reason why Muslims pray 5 times a day and Christians go to Church is not because they have blind faith, they do this because they can prove the existence of God using logic, reason and proof! Just because you can't physically see something doesn't mean its not there. Theres more evidence to prove He exsits then he doesn't. Anyway, this isn't a religious forum so I won't go on but ermmm, I think you deserve to really take a break.....think about your saying and realise that you are actually causing offence now!
                Clearly you've never taken a philosophy class.

                I could shred your argument to pieces, but as you said this isn't a religious forum, we'll leave it be.
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    • Profile picture of the author traceye
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      I was in his forum for a little while where I witnessed stay-at-home moms writing 500 articles and making $1/day from their sites.
      Man I really hate it when stay at home moms get such a bad rap. Some of us are actually quite good at this internet marketing game you know and make a very nice income thank you very much ..

      sigh
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  • Profile picture of the author evi
    Do you use wordpress blog platform? How to structure it in siloing form. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
      Originally Posted by evi View Post

      Do you use wordpress blog platform? How to structure it in siloing form. Thanks.
      The platform does not matter nor does it affect SERPS. I use Blogger for 100+ XFactor style sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author krab
        Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

        The platform does not matter nor does it affect SERPS. I use Blogger for 100+ XFactor style sites.
        Hello misterkailo, I am newbie could you pm me the blogger Xfactor style templates I wanted to start with Adsense my IM, also please share your experience with blogger, thanks in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author evertd
      Originally Posted by evi View Post

      Do you use wordpress blog platform? How to structure it in siloing form. Thanks.
      Wordpress should work well for silo-ing if you use categories effectively. Set up your categories, remember the category slug field is used as the folder name if you include category in your permalink structure.

      To set your permalink, go to settings->permalinks and make it something like:
      /%category%/%postname%/

      Now each category will be a folder on your site in google's eyes, representing a silo. And each post in that category will be an article in the silo. And you can explicitly place a link in each post to the previous one in the same category to simulate what was in the diagrams shared previously.

      It's not a perfect silo structure, but a very good approximation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daedric
    Can't agree more. Used to be involved in black hat stuff and like you said, it just don't last. It's better to concentrate on long term result
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  • Profile picture of the author lisaann
    I think part of the reason why the xfactor stuff works so well for him is because he's creating quality content.

    It seems all he does is create optimized webpages and then link back to them through articles he published at ezinearticles.com. I believe that's his only source of links (that his intentionally getting).

    Unless these are very low search terms that's not enough to get much traffic from the search engines.

    BUT, if his content and his sites are of quality, he'll start getting links naturally from people who visit his sites.

    AND if the articles submitted to ezinearticles.com are of quality, people will start distributing them. That way he'll get more links.

    So by offering really good content, he could be getting a ton of extra links. Links maybe even he doesn't realize he's getting. So he's leaving all this out of his book. And it's not because he doesn't want you (or all the work at home mom's) to succeed, but because he doesn't realize it.

    I have no idea, but that's my theory at least. I do quite well with my sites, but I have a lot of link building methods and optimize my sites better than he covers in his book.

    I know if all I did was build links through EZA it would take too long to see the rankings I like to see. That's very minimal SEO, but if you're providing really good content I can see how it could work out for you over time.

    Anyway, that's my theory on why the xfactor method doesn't work for a lot of people. Clearly it's working out for him and I think it's valuable that he's sharing it. The people failing probably aren't entering the right markets and/or aren't offering valuable content.

    Lisa
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    • Profile picture of the author apollocreed
      Originally Posted by lisaann View Post

      I think part of the reason why the xfactor stuff works so well for him is because he's creating quality content.

      It seems all he does is create optimized webpages and then link back to them through articles he published at ezinearticles.com. I believe that's his only source of links (that his intentionally getting).

      Unless these are very low search terms that's not enough to get much traffic from the search engines.

      BUT, if his content and his sites are of quality, he'll start getting links naturally from people who visit his sites.

      AND if the articles submitted to ezinearticles.com are of quality, people will start distributing them. That way he'll get more links.

      So by offering really good content, he could be getting a ton of extra links. Links maybe even he doesn't realize he's getting. So he's leaving all this out of his book. And it's not because he doesn't want you (or all the work at home mom's) to succeed, but because he doesn't realize it.

      I have no idea, but that's my theory at least. I do quite well with my sites, but I have a lot of link building methods and optimize my sites better than he covers in his book.

      I know if all I did was build links through EZA it would take too long to see the rankings I like to see. That's very minimal SEO, but if you're providing really good content I can see how it could work out for you over time.

      Anyway, that's my theory on why the xfactor method doesn't work for a lot of people. Clearly it's working out for him and I think it's valuable that he's sharing it. The people failing probably aren't entering the right markets and/or aren't offering valuable content.

      Lisa
      I really do not know whether his method works for him as he claims. We only have his word. But what he says is not impossible or unrealistic.

      I do not think your theory is true because there are thousands upon thousands of quality sites in any micro-niche.

      And also, who is to say that something is of good quality or not.

      Xfactor wrote all of the articles himself to start with, assuming he still has his 100 niches, I really do not think that xfactopr has 100 University Degrees that cover all of those subjects.

      I think jhe said that he used tow rite 10 -30 articles per day. I therefore do not think that much research went into those articles. Thus, I do not think that quality is what made him successful (if true).
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      • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
        Originally Posted by apollocreed View Post

        I really do not know whether his method works for him as he claims. We only have his word. But what he says is not impossible or unrealistic.

        I do not think your theory is true because there are thousands upon thousands of quality sites in any micro-niche.

        And also, who is to say that something is of good quality or not.

        Xfactor wrote all of the articles himself to start with, assuming he still has his 100 niches, I really do not think that xfactopr has 100 University Degrees that cover all of those subjects.

        I think jhe said that he used tow rite 10 -30 articles per day. I therefore do not think that much research went into those articles. Thus, I do not think that quality is what made him successful (if true).
        From what I've read of xfactor's writing. He said that the majority of the content he writes for his product based micro-niches are physical product reviews. Physical product reviews don't require a lot of research. Hit up Amazon read through some of the reviews and re-write the pros and cons you find. I could bang out 10 articles a day doing physical product reviews easy.

        I also remember him saying that if you aren't prepared to write 10 articles a day for your business than you might as well pack up and find a different business model.

        I think the quality is probably great considering using amazon reviews as an example he could give a truly unbiased review. Pick some of the 2 star reviews and some of the 4 star reviews and write about the main points on both.

        So for example. He is writing a review about a specific automatic nail gun brand. He picks out a 4 star review of the product from Amazon. Writes out a few paragraphs talking about the pros.

        Then hit a 2 star review of the product and write out the pros and cons from that.

        Now, someone searching for google about that specific nail gun finds his site and gets a really honest review of that product...because it's not completely positive or negative thus making it appear unbiased...therefore providing better content than most review sites which just basically play out all the benefits and excluding anything negative.

        That's quality content if you ask me. It provides the searcher EXACTLY what they are looking for.

        That's how I think he roles for his micro-niche sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author XFactor
          I really appreciate seeing the recent posts in this thread that seem
          to bring up good discussion amongst members here. Maintaining a
          mature and professional business dialogue is rare on public forums.

          I'll briefly hit up on a few items that were brought up:

          1) My writing: When it comes to articles, I am a fantastic writer. I
          learned to write when I first started in late 2005 and try to write
          every article as if it were a sales letter.

          2) Your writing: I don't expect most people to be good at creating
          copy like I can do with my articles, thus the example that is used in
          my book (my new book will have many, many more examples).

          What I do expect is for someone to learn to get good at content
          creation, writing, and copy-writing over time. Practice is the key to most
          everything, and creating quality content is no different.

          But this concept does not always go well over most people looking for
          a quick fix or the end-all-be-all Adsense secret (which I have yet to find
          myself).

          3) Content: I do revolve most of my content around products (not every
          niche is product based, however), and these articles provide readers
          how that product can:

          a) Solve a problem

          b) Provide a remedy

          c) Create a desired outcome

          d) Fix a solution

          e) Remove an issue

          f) Create entertainment

          g) Accomplish a goal


          And the list continues... These articles do very well to establish action and
          authority.

          4) Outsourcing: I outsource heavily these days but it is only because how
          much my business has grown, the publishing community I have created,
          5 off-line store location investments, and a few other projects that I do
          not care to mention.

          5) Backlinks: The majority of my backlink promotions did indeed
          go to ezinearticles.com. However, I have found that the reason why this
          worked so well for me long-term is the insane amount of republished
          articles with live anchor text links remaining.

          This allowed a diverse amount of locations (IP address) that is, from what
          I have come to realize, is a more natural flow of backlinks in the eyes of
          Google.

          6) My course: The book I wrote, although very basic and a decent plan
          for what I actually did work in the "micro niche" approach personally, has
          evolved.

          And with that evolution will come another, 2nd edition course (Free
          to all of my customers) that will further explain my personal experiences
          and how I would advise someone today, as opposed to 1 year ago.

          Not that different, just more variety.

          7) Success & Failures: I'm also a business coach outside of working online.
          I have coached many people due to my experience with successes and
          failures on my own over the last 15 years - 10 of which were hardcore
          investments, losses, and success.

          Every business venture that I've seen people succeed at were failed by at
          least hundreds more.

          Why is this?

          I'd love to know. I would then be able to guarantee anyone to succeed in any
          business, and make billions doing so.

          - John
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          • Profile picture of the author fhharris
            Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

            I really appreciate seeing the recent posts in this thread that seem
            to bring up good discussion amongst members here. Maintaining a
            mature and professional business dialogue is rare on public forums.

            I'll briefly hit up on a few items that were brought up:

            1) My writing: When it comes to articles, I am a fantastic writer. I
            learned to write when I first started in late 2005 and try to write
            every article as if it were a sales letter.

            2) Your writing: I don't expect most people to be good at creating
            copy like I can do with my articles, thus the example that is used in
            my book (my new book will have many, many more examples).

            What I do expect is for someone to learn to get good at content
            creation, writing, and copy-writing over time. Practice is the key to most
            everything, and creating quality content is no different.

            But this concept does not always go well over most people looking for
            a quick fix or the end-all-be-all Adsense secret (which I have yet to find
            myself).

            3) Content: I do revolve most of my content around products (not every
            niche is product based, however), and these articles provide readers
            how that product can:

            a) Solve a problem

            b) Provide a remedy

            c) Create a desired outcome

            d) Fix a solution

            e) Remove an issue

            f) Create entertainment

            g) Accomplish a goal


            And the list continues... These articles do very well to establish action and
            authority.

            4) Outsourcing: I outsource heavily these days but it is only because how
            much my business has grown, the publishing community I have created,
            5 off-line store location investments, and a few other projects that I do
            not care to mention.

            5) Backlinks: The majority of my backlink promotions did indeed
            go to ezinearticles.com. However, I have found that the reason why this
            worked so well for me long-term is the insane amount of republished
            articles with live anchor text links remaining.

            This allowed a diverse amount of locations (IP address) that is, from what
            I have come to realize, is a more natural flow of backlinks in the eyes of
            Google.

            6) My course: The book I wrote, although very basic and a decent plan
            for what I actually did work in the "micro niche" approach personally, has
            evolved.

            And with that evolution will come another, 2nd edition course (Free
            to all of my customers) that will further explain my personal experiences
            and how I would advise someone today, as opposed to 1 year ago.

            Not that different, just more variety.

            7) Success & Failures: I'm also a business coach outside of working online.
            I have coached many people due to my experience with successes and
            failures on my own over the last 15 years - 10 of which were hardcore
            investments, losses, and success.

            Every business venture that I've seen people succeed at were failed by at
            least hundreds more.

            Why is this?

            I'd love to know. I would then be able to guarantee anyone to succeed in any
            business, and make billions doing so.

            - John
            John:

            I read most of the thread and kept my mouth shut. But havent we heard about volume 2 since February (to be released Feb 15 if memory serves me)? Then there was the indepth training videos that were starting April that according to people on your forum have not occurred as of a few weeks ago. While you did ban me because I kept calling you on your broken promises and have banned others who have done the same, I will say that you were honest and ethical enough to refund my money.

            But if ya broke your word before, why wont ya do it again and again and again? (OH wait you already have.)
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            • Profile picture of the author miker501
              Originally Posted by fhharris View Post

              John:

              I read most of the thread and kept my mouth shut. But havent we heard about volume 2 since February (to be released Feb 15 if memory serves me)? Then there was the indepth training videos that were starting April that according to people on your forum have not occurred as of a few weeks ago. While you did ban me because I kept calling you on your broken promises and have banned others who have done the same, I will say that you were honest and ethical enough to refund my money.

              But if ya broke your word before, why wont ya do it again and again and again? (OH wait you already have.)
              I go on his forum a bit, and sure, the release of the updated ebook has been pushed back time and time again. I personally believe that this is because he wants to give the best, and as his business progresses, he keeps finding ways to improve it.

              Regarding the videos, sure that's been delayed too, but the goowill on the forum, and Xfactors honesty and desire to help encourages 'most' people to let it go rather than castigating him on public forums.

              It's not been an ideal situation, but I think most people realise that the work John has put into the forum and ebooks has helped a lot of people and he is about as honest a guy as you'll find in IM. His main fault I guess, is to want to provide the best guides he can to his customers, and pays for that a little.

              Still, I'll take him with those faults anyday.
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          • Profile picture of the author court-red
            Hi John,

            I wanted to know what parameters should I be working with when considering Exact Phrase Count? I've found some great niches with excellent SOC and search volume but with ridiculously high (millions) of Exact Phrase Count. What is the suggested number I should look to keep it under?
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            • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
              Originally Posted by court-red View Post

              Hi John,

              I wanted to know what parameters should I be working with when considering Exact Phrase Count? I've found some great niches with excellent SOC and search volume but with ridiculously high (millions) of Exact Phrase Count. What is the suggested number I should look to keep it under?
              In reality, the competition number often doesn't matter in the least.

              What matters is the strength of competition on the first page (or first few pages).

              You could have a keyword phrase with an exceptionally low competition number with exceptionally strong first page competition that would be devilishly hard for you to match or exceed. In contrast, you could have keyword phrases with compeition numbers in the hundreds of thousands (or millions) with comparatively weak first page competition that you could easily rank there for.

              So again: in reality it doesn't matter, but sometimes people will use it as a quick and simple means of predicting whether the competition for that phrase is likely to be strong.

              I just personally don't believe it's a very good means of accomplishing that, and if you rely on that to dismiss keyword phrases you might find youself overlooking a hell of a lot of potentially hot money-making gems.
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              • Profile picture of the author court-red
                Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

                In reality, the competition number often doesn't matter in the least.

                What matters is the strength of competition on the first page (or first few pages).

                You could have a keyword phrase with an exceptionally low competition number with exceptionally strong first page competition that would be devilishly hard for you to match or exceed. In contrast, you could have keyword phrases with compeition numbers in the hundreds of thousands (or millions) with comparatively weak first page competition that you could easily rank there for.

                So again: in reality it doesn't matter, but sometimes people will use it as a quick and simple means of predicting whether the competition for that phrase is likely to be strong.

                I just personally don't believe it's a very good means of accomplishing that, and if you rely on that to dismiss keyword phrases you might find youself overlooking a hell of a lot of potentially hot money-making gems.
                Ok great. From what I can surmise, the SOC should be 30 or less. Is that a favorable blueprint to follow?
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                • Profile picture of the author miker501
                  Originally Posted by court-red View Post

                  Ok great. From what I can surmise, the SOC should be 30 or less. Is that a favorable blueprint to follow?
                  If you're talking about SOC number in Micro Niche Finder, that's not worth looking at either. Page 1 competition (take a glance at page 2 if you are really keen) is all that really matters. If you see weaknesses on page 1 you're all set
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                  • Profile picture of the author efex
                    hey Miker,

                    and how do you recognize weakness on page one? How do you tell when they're week?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by lisaann View Post

      I think part of the reason why the xfactor stuff works so well for him is because he's creating quality content.

      It seems all he does is create optimized webpages and then link back to them through articles he published at ezinearticles.com. I believe that's his only source of links (that his intentionally getting).
      I have to agree with Lisa here. I have a website that rank top 3 for years and I did no backlinking at all, but I'm still receiving many new backlinks every month.

      I mean, people listed my website as a recommended link from their EDU websites and other high PR websites.

      Why? People have been backlinking to me because of the high quality content that I've made for this site. I'm not a good writer but I made at least 10 revisions on the homepage, making it relevant and useful.

      This site is making me $140 in Adsense last month. So what lisann and xfactor said is true. Quality content is very important.

      However...

      I do have sites that have OK (+ PLR) content but ranked high in search engines because of my systematic backlinking activities, pretty much similar to what lisann do to her sites.

      So, it's really an art to how you want to rank your sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Natlex
        I'm not too sure how you mainly use ezine articles for your website... Surely you must be using other backlking solutions now since each additional backlink from ezine to the same website is worth less right? Do you still try to rank all 50-100 inner pages by pointing ezine article links to them? Do your articles really get republished so often? I had a few that got republished such as articles I wrote on video games. However, my making money online, health and book review articles never get republished...

        I can see how ezine articles help you for small websites but it seems really hard from my experience to rank the inner pages of 10+ content page websites simply using ezine, do you have a different experience?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Wilson
    One thing that I think is getting lost on people is that if you are the guy making $1000/day then you have HUGE financial leverage to outsource a lot of content creation.

    If you are profitably putting $1000+/day in your bank account then you can spend $10-$15k a month on content knowing full well it could take 3-6 months before any of that content begins to generate any positive cash flow.

    A newbie can't do this and to someone not making that kind of money it seems insane and ridiculous and simply not possible.

    But it does work and works well.

    The perfect example of mass outsourcing of content is ehow.com. They generate 4,000+ articles a day (while paying about $15/article) and will bring in around $200 MILLION this year and all they do is focus on the long tail and generate adsense clicks.

    So paying for 4000 articles a day at $15 each will cost roughly $22 million but they are projected to make $200 million or about a 10x return on their content investment.

    (checkout this wired.com article on them: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/1...andmedia/all/1 )


    So to say outsourcing 100 articles in a small niche at $15 a pop is impossible to do profitably is completely absurd.

    It is possible but just not overnight after reading a 100 page ebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author mejohn
    I have tried many types of link building, but I keep going back to EZA and other article directories. Nothing builds the rankings like submitting articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author tqb
    Wait!....WHAT?!?....

    John: I am glad that I purchased the course and I have learned a lot from you. I have 17 sites launched all with 5 or 6 pages. I don't launch junk and its about 50/50 in terms of what I write and what I outsource. I understand that it will take a fairly significant investment in time and money to build my business. I average about $6 a day and it is growing in a steady fashion since January. I have been at IM for about 2 years so I am not a newbie but not a pro either - I have a good understanding of niches, kw research and basic SEO.

    With all due respect, and having read the course a few times, I did have a problem with some of the numbers that were given. For instance, 45 websites X average $150 = $6,750 not $10,000. OK so this is a minor point and perhaps the remainder comes from the health site. The much bigger issue here is the gigantic number of pages that you have online. 11,000 pages on ~100 sites? I thought we were building ~5 page websites and targeting 5 or so kw with 1,000 searches or more. Remember, 1,000 searches roughly equals $20/month. By this math, if every page is equal to 1,000 monthly searches then you are now making $200K a month. OK, take longtails that have 500 monthly searches and you are making $100K/month. Point is, I think we need to bring some reality to the discussion.

    See my problem is that so far I am making about $1 a day on sites that are 3 months old and ranking and I am starting to think that I need to build more than 300 - 400 pages a year to approach a decent income.

    So, if the initial 100 websites with 5 pages each = 500 pages and over the course of 1 year you have ~11,000 pages then you either spent 5,250 hours (each page takes 30 min to write), or ~$100K on outsourcing, or some combination of both in one year to get to this level.

    I am not assuming anything here, I would just like some clarification.

    thanks,
    Jerry
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    • Profile picture of the author dhex
      You are already making $6/day from your websites. You have all the numbers you need to reach at some meaningful conclusion. Why do you need to hear it from John? Unless you want to start a time wasting argument i dont really see the benefit of this kind of posts. John might have made some mistakes in the numbers he gave out. So what, everything else is correct and very helpful. You have even proved it yourself. Besides, what works for one may not work exactly for others.



      Originally Posted by tqb View Post

      Wait!....WHAT?!?....

      John: I am glad that I purchased the course and I have learned a lot from you. I have 17 sites launched all with 5 or 6 pages. I don't launch junk and its about 50/50 in terms of what I write and what I outsource. I understand that it will take a fairly significant investment in time and money to build my business. I average about $6 a day and it is growing in a steady fashion since January. I have been at IM for about 2 years so I am not a newbie but not a pro either - I have a good understanding of niches, kw research and basic SEO.

      With all due respect, and having read the course a few times, I did have a problem with some of the numbers that were given. For instance, 45 websites X average $150 = $6,750 not $10,000. OK so this is a minor point and perhaps the remainder comes from the health site. The much bigger issue here is the gigantic number of pages that you have online. 11,000 pages on ~100 sites? I thought we were building ~5 page websites and targeting 5 or so kw with 1,000 searches or more. Remember, 1,000 searches roughly equals $20/month. By this math, if every page is equal to 1,000 monthly searches then you are now making $200K a month. OK, take longtails that have 500 monthly searches and you are making $100K/month. Point is, I think we need to bring some reality to the discussion.

      See my problem is that so far I am making about $1 a day on sites that are 3 months old and ranking and I am starting to think that I need to build more than 300 - 400 pages a year to approach a decent income.

      So, if the initial 100 websites with 5 pages each = 500 pages and over the course of 1 year you have ~11,000 pages then you either spent 5,250 hours (each page takes 30 min to write), or ~$100K on outsourcing, or some combination of both in one year to get to this level.

      I am not assuming anything here, I would just like some clarification.

      thanks,
      Jerry
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      • Profile picture of the author tqb
        @dhex

        Lets bring a dose of reality - thats all I'm saying. Excuse me, dhex, if my reading comprehension is a bit too good and I remember what I read. This is not about a slight difference, this is about a wide gulf between putting a few hundred pages online in 6 - 12 months time or managing to put 11,000 pages online w/in the same time period. It is a valid point and I don't think I am out of line, as a happy customer of John's, by asking him to talk about realistic expectations.

        From the very beginning I felt that $150 average for a 5 -10 page website was off. Sites might hit that number from time to time, but from my experience and what I've learned, $30 - $60/month AVERAGE over the course of a year is much more realistic.

        By the time I hit ~50 sites I would like to average $1000/month. If I have a banner month and hit $2000 great. It may cost me $3000 to put 50 sites up, that's fine... especially with my realistic expectations...in terms of real world business ROI, in fact, this is unheard of.

        sound realistic?
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        • Profile picture of the author rancher2
          Does anyone know if XFactor's master course includes videos at this time? I notice there is a Member-Login area but nothing that explains what is inside?

          Many Thanks,
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        • Profile picture of the author mejohn
          Originally Posted by tqb View Post

          @dhex

          Lets bring a dose of reality - thats all I'm saying. Excuse me, dhex, if my reading comprehension is a bit too good and I remember what I read. This is not about a slight difference, this is about a wide gulf between putting a few hundred pages online in 6 - 12 months time or managing to put 11,000 pages online w/in the same time period. It is a valid point and I don't think I am out of line, as a happy customer of John's, by asking him to talk about realistic expectations.

          From the very beginning I felt that $150 average for a 5 -10 page website was off. Sites might hit that number from time to time, but from my experience and what I've learned, $30 - $60/month AVERAGE over the course of a year is much more realistic.

          By the time I hit ~50 sites I would like to average $1000/month. If I have a banner month and hit $2000 great. It may cost me $3000 to put 50 sites up, that's fine... especially with my realistic expectations...in terms of real world business ROI, in fact, this is unheard of.

          sound realistic?
          Depending on the niche, both sets of numbers sound realistic. Good for you for getting your income up to $6 per day. Ten times the effort should product $60 per day. I am sitting around the $6-7 per day with Adsense now as well. The more I go, though, the more I learn, and increase my dollars for the same amount of effort. John's numbers for his effort come after many more sites than most of us have ever made. In time, if we keep up the efforts, we will all make more per website with our initial efforts. Further down the road, we can, like John, expand those websites and make even more.

          I am excited about my $6-7 per day, and am constantly working to expand it
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      • Profile picture of the author XFactor
        Originally Posted by tqb View Post

        Wait!....WHAT?!?....

        John: I am glad that I purchased the course and I have learned a lot from you. I have 17 sites launched all with 5 or 6 pages. I don't launch junk and its about 50/50 in terms of what I write and what I outsource. I understand that it will take a fairly significant investment in time and money to build my business. I average about $6 a day and it is growing in a steady fashion since January. I have been at IM for about 2 years so I am not a newbie but not a pro either - I have a good understanding of niches, kw research and basic SEO.

        With all due respect, and having read the course a few times, I did have a problem with some of the numbers that were given. For instance, 45 websites X average $150 = $6,750 not $10,000. OK so this is a minor point and perhaps the remainder comes from the health site. The much bigger issue here is the gigantic number of pages that you have online. 11,000 pages on ~100 sites? I thought we were building ~5 page websites and targeting 5 or so kw with 1,000 searches or more. Remember, 1,000 searches roughly equals $20/month. By this math, if every page is equal to 1,000 monthly searches then you are now making $200K a month. OK, take longtails that have 500 monthly searches and you are making $100K/month. Point is, I think we need to bring some reality to the discussion.

        See my problem is that so far I am making about $1 a day on sites that are 3 months old and ranking and I am starting to think that I need to build more than 300 - 400 pages a year to approach a decent income.

        So, if the initial 100 websites with 5 pages each = 500 pages and over the course of 1 year you have ~11,000 pages then you either spent 5,250 hours (each page takes 30 min to write), or ~$100K on outsourcing, or some combination of both in one year to get to this level.

        I am not assuming anything here, I would just like some clarification.

        thanks,
        Jerry
        There are no mistakes at all. What you need to understand is not all
        of these pages are indexed and ranking, or making money yet.

        (I thought I was clear on this)

        Just because I have a site with 100 pages on it, does not mean that
        Google is going to send them all to the top immediately.

        It takes work and time.

        Next week I'm loading up 50 articles on a new site in the financial
        market - but it will not start to produce for some time, and even then,
        those 50 pages will need age and backlinks over a steady pace.

        (I also thought I was clear that 2,000 of those pages are on 1 authority
        site on health - which makes up half of my earnings and growing).


        I don't mind posting and answering questions, but can only do so if
        all of my posts are read thoroughly.

        - John
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        • Profile picture of the author XFactor
          Wow - I just noticed all of the religious references and other strange
          comments on this thread.

          I cannot condone or participate in such unwarranted topics that have
          absolutely nothing to do with progressive and positive discussion on
          publishing.

          My time is up here on this one guys - take care.

          - John
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          • Profile picture of the author nettech
            Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

            Wow - I just noticed all of the religious references and other strange
            comments on this thread.

            I cannot condone or participate in such unwarranted topics that have
            absolutely nothing to do with progressive and positive discussion on
            publishing.

            My time is up here on this one guys - take care.

            - John
            John,

            I think I speak for many here when I say that your guide has helped lots of us. I myself am very grateful for your eBook and your willingness to help people from all walks of life to become successful online. Theres not many people that would do that. Thanks to you and your experience, your book was one of the best investments I've made, I would consider myself someone whose been round the block for many years and your book just solidified my process which I am grateful for.

            Again I wanted to say thanks and don't let people who have nothing useful to say get to you or anyone else.

            Zaheer
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            Zaheer

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  • Profile picture of the author bfas
    My personal experience:

    Following the course guidelines, I built appx. a dozen sites. More than half began averaging $3-$5/day after about a month. The remainder, with one exception, sees about $1.5/day.

    What I learned from the course has been invaluable, and I continue to apply it. I have taken most of the suggestions, experimented & tweaked them, and continue to see improvements.

    The course was, and is, one of the best investments I've made in terms of increasing my Adsense revenues, and certainly in terms of overall ROI.

    I wish all my investments were as worthwhile.

    bfas
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  • Profile picture of the author markbyrne
    I didn't use John's math, I used my own. I built some adsense sites using both John's and my own techniques, and will scale up the whole thing over time with the resources available to me. I will ensure ROI, and time management is at the top of the agenda, and aim to create a site - end to end, from keyword to SEO in under 30mins. When you think outside the box with these profitable systems, then you are on to a serious winner.

    Probably a good idea if the thread is closed, and a discussion begins in earnest on John's actual product... just my $0.02
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  • Profile picture of the author lexilexi
    John, thanks for all your input. I've not come across many threads where someone put so much effort into trying to help people along.

    One thing I like is the "If it ain't broke don't fix it" approach that you seem to have to the whole thing. Also, not getting lost in petty details, and staying focused.

    This strategy is not for the faint hearted. It's not an overnight success thing - and you'll end up disappointed if you try to short cut it and do it all in a week. Google doesn't like it when people move too quick, also they appear to be lending ever more weight to authoritative, content heavy sites. It makes sense - think about who is paying them. Advertisers are not going to keep spending money if it doesn't lead to sales, so if you want to get on the right side of Adsense, start thinking not about just getting as many junk clicks as you can, but about how you can help send advertisers the kind of traffic that they want. That's your job, that's what Google is paying you for and if you remember that I think it will really help. This isn't a get-something-for-nothing kind of game.

    Part of this is volume. If you have twenty pages and it brings you a dollar a day, replicate your strategy. But don't base your statistics only on your most successful pages. Some sites will be hits and some will not. I made the mistake at first of basing my stats on my most successful page, which sometimes brings $5-10 in a single day from Adsense. I did keyword research, built another 50 similar pages and wondered why I was not getting rich. For a minute.

    Part of it is quality content. Think of it as developing an empire. You've got to build on solid foundations if you want to get traction. An info-site has to be something that people will benefit from, and not just some more internet garbage. eHow is rocking it with Adsense because of their brand reputation, because they aim to make their name synonymous with "getting good answers and advice".

    The other part, is plain and simple, getting your pages to rank. If none of your pages rank, you won't get any search engine traffic, and you won't get clicks.

    I say don't obsess on click through rates, article length, all those small details. Concentrate on the important stuff... see yourself as a middleman who attracts visitors, helps them out in some way with useful info and then they go on their way. Hope my ideas help.
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    • Profile picture of the author JK Nyerere
      Originally Posted by lexilexi View Post

      John, thanks for all your input. I've not come across many threads where someone put so much effort into trying to help people along.

      One thing I like is the "If it ain't broke don't fix it" approach that you seem to have to the whole thing. Also, not getting lost in petty details, and staying focused.

      This strategy is not for the faint hearted. It's not an overnight success thing - and you'll end up disappointed if you try to short cut it and do it all in a week. Google doesn't like it when people move too quick, also they appear to be lending ever more weight to authoritative, content heavy sites. It makes sense - think about who is paying them. Advertisers are not going to keep spending money if it doesn't lead to sales, so if you want to get on the right side of Adsense, start thinking not about just getting as many junk clicks as you can, but about how you can help send advertisers the kind of traffic that they want. That's your job, that's what Google is paying you for and if you remember that I think it will really help. This isn't a get-something-for-nothing kind of game.

      Part of this is volume. If you have twenty pages and it brings you a dollar a day, replicate your strategy. But don't base your statistics only on your most successful pages. Some sites will be hits and some will not. I made the mistake at first of basing my stats on my most successful page, which sometimes brings $5-10 in a single day from Adsense. I did keyword research, built another 50 similar pages and wondered why I was not getting rich. For a minute.

      Part of it is quality content. Think of it as developing an empire. You've got to build on solid foundations if you want to get traction. An info-site has to be something that people will benefit from, and not just some more internet garbage. eHow is rocking it with Adsense because of their brand reputation, because they aim to make their name synonymous with "getting good answers and advice".

      The other part, is plain and simple, getting your pages to rank. If none of your pages rank, you won't get any search engine traffic, and you won't get clicks.

      I say don't obsess on click through rates, article length, all those small details. Concentrate on the important stuff... see yourself as a middleman who attracts visitors, helps them out in some way with useful info and then they go on their way. Hope my ideas help.
      The premise of your whole argument is flawed.

      Google does not want Made For Adsense (or advertising) websites. Adsense was designed as a way for people to monetize websites that serve another function. Whether you have 1000 or 10 pages...it does not matter. Would your "Kenwood GRX-1897 muffin toaster" website exist if it was not advertising anything? You see Google have found a way to filter out all such MFA sites. Adding more faeces to faeces does not change anything.

      You are advocating the contsruction of websites that suit advertisers. This is wrong in Google's eyes and the proof is in the recent Google update in June.

      Read in every IM forum about all of the people crying in their beer because Google has suddenly degraded all of their MFA sites to page 300.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Wilson
    Google does not want Made For Adsense (or advertising) websites.
    Unless you are Mahalo or other large scale scraper sites. In that case the rules don't seem to apply :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Your page can still contain keywords and subject matter that attracts the high paying bidders with the same page - there is no need to funnel them to other pages.

    Google shows ads based on your pages content. This content can be SEO'd to attract certain organic words but if the content is suitable you can "stuff" the higher paying ones in there too.

    Take the weight loss market as an example. You can target a low competitive high traffic phrase such as "how to lose weight eating jellybeans on toast". This has a CPC of $0.05c - no one wants to touch it. You can however compare it to some big brand diet products and your content now has the potential to attract advertisers who pay big dollars for those brand words. The market is still weight loss, you just have tweaked the content to the higher end advertisers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lukas
    I tried it out a while ago and it was a moderate success. Actually, it was a domain that wasn't being used so I tested it w/o EZA, no marketing, just directory submission, decent on-page content, and it brings in 70-to-100 every month.
    Now the thing is I didn't make it solely for AS. It can be monetized a few other ways which should be more lucrative than AS is my ultimate goal.
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    • Profile picture of the author efex
      Hi everybody,

      I'd like to ask you all something.

      What happens when the product's niche you want to develope is low competition but the first page on google is full of the merchants selling those products?

      Isn't this what will happen all the time?

      Will you go with it anyways? What's your experience?

      What are your thoughts on this?
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      • Profile picture of the author rayan
        Originally Posted by efex View Post

        Hi everybody,

        I'd like to ask you all something.

        What happens when the product's niche you want to develope is low competition but the first page on google is full of the merchants selling those products?

        Isn't this what will happen all the time?

        Will you go with it anyways? What's your experience?

        What are your thoughts on this?
        I always go with it in this case. This is one of the scenario where you can rank with a few backlinks.
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        • Profile picture of the author efex
          SO it doesn't matter these sites have a lot of authority with high backlinks to domain and huge number of pages indexed and in almost all of them the title has the keyword?

          Have you had that experience of ranking with merchants in first page?

          Oh another question about domain this time.
          What happens if you have your main keyword that is very good (>5000 searches and very low competition) and another that is moderate (just >1000).
          The first (just as an example) will be something like "yoga mats" and the second will be "thick yoga mats" but the domain for the first is already taken and for the second I can get a .com domain ?
          Would be a problem if I use thickyogamats.com as my domain but use only "yoga mats" as my target? Or will be better cause I have already a good domain to target for both keywords??
          As an additional data, the very good keyword will be 20 letters and if I add the prefix it's 28. IT's a density of 71%, is it good or bad?
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  • Profile picture of the author shaggard
    I have that very situation on one of my sites. I almost gave up cracking the first page. But after 4 months of it hanging around and me adding more backinks every now and then, it broke the first page.

    Currently, it is floating around9 and 10. However, I believe it will continue to climb.
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  • Profile picture of the author WealthWithin
    Thanks for posting this thread John!


    Since you have access to a Google rep, have you ever had a discussion about having the Adsense blocks directly below the article title? are they okey with it?


    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdango
    This thread only vriefly touched on "Google doesn't want made for AdSense sites".

    I have yet to read anyone explain how to get around this, and the two sotes mentioned in this thread seem textbook examples of MFA:

    thick yoga mats
    digital meat thermometers

    Does anyone really believe that such a site would be built for no other reason than to make money via advertising.

    When you're network starts making money and Google finally puts human eyes on it and they see 50 articles on yog mats, is there any way they AREN'T going to think it's MFA?

    I'm sure XFactor is making dough, but it says right in the rules don't build sites for the explicit purpose of whjoing adsense.

    How does one get around that when we are building site like portablecampingstoves.com, or blackconversesneakers.com, or redleatherboots.com

    How can sites such as these EVER be percieved as anythin other than MFA?
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by webdango View Post

      This thread only vriefly touched on "Google doesn't want made for AdSense sites".

      I have yet to read anyone explain how to get around this, and the two sotes mentioned in this thread seem textbook examples of MFA:

      thick yoga mats
      digital meat thermometers

      Does anyone really believe that such a site would be built for no other reason than to make money via advertising.

      When you're network starts making money and Google finally puts human eyes on it and they see 50 articles on yog mats, is there any way they AREN'T going to think it's MFA?

      I'm sure XFactor is making dough, but it says right in the rules don't build sites for the explicit purpose of whjoing adsense.

      How does one get around that when we are building site like portablecampingstoves.com, or blackconversesneakers.com, or redleatherboots.com

      How can sites such as these EVER be percieved as anythin other than MFA?
      Add some decent content to your sites. Maybe even add some videos. And also review and sell products via Amazon.com or some other affiliate program. If you're reviewing and promoting products then the site is not simply "made for adsense".

      What I like to do is have some pages on my sites reviewing products and not even have adsense on the review pages. But I'll also have informative articles and videos on other pages of the site and those pages will have adsense on them.

      That's how I like to do it anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdango
    hey adam

    that sounds like a good answer.... yet even so, when google eyeballs see a site with dozens of artciles with names like

    vitamin c pills
    vitmain c supplments
    citamin c and scurvy
    importance on vitamin c
    vitamin c dosage
    natural vitamin c
    etc...

    it seems to me the only thing thay can conclude us that someone is mining keywords to draw traffic to present adsense, no matter what content is actually on the pages.

    My fear is to build up a a few dozen sites, start making money,then have it all evaporate when google says "redteakettles.com? really? camocombatboots.net? seriously? and those other 40 sites? guesswhat? buh-bye!"
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      In a worst case scenario where G takes your adsense away you'll just have to find another way to monetize the traffic. I don't like to go into niches where the only way I can think of to make money is with adsense. I like to be able to sell affiliate products or generate leads or something else in addition to any adsense revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author iseo
    First up, adding another revenue source to the sites such as Amazon is ideal.

    I think the original intention of the xfactor sites is a simple foundation template but now so many of them are online and Google is bound to do something about this green/black template all over the web, I'm not sure what, but it's best to be safe and start creating more pages and beyond 'vitamin c pills, vitamins c supplements' etc...I couldn't agree more!

    At the end of the day if Google comes along to a site with 50+ pages, a diverse use of keyword categories, multiple revenue sources and all the bells and whistles that come with any other website...then why would they sandbox the site? If it's actually a contribution to Google customers purchasing decision and provides them with options other then Adsense...it's sure to be a winner..

    I just hope for the sake of all those that put ton's of hard work in, that the big G sees sense in that when Judgment day comes...like any 'method' and most things in life, what goes up, must come down and I think it's wise to think alittle outside the box to hedge these sites against any downside. I imagine that domains like 'www.redmailbox.org' will be the first to be flagged.....(.org: I can't believe people are registering these) I mean talk about sticking your neck out!

    Anyway my 2 cents..

    Cheers!

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  • Profile picture of the author sena123
    hey xfactor.... i just want to know, how do you update your websites? you said that your websites have 200 articles, did you add them all directly to your website at once or add it one by one???

    By using xsitepro, is there a way to publish article/page faster? like wordpress blog ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Vishal Mahadik
    Thanks XFactor, this is what I was looking from your side to hear.

    Unique Quality Content and Whitehat Backlinking is what going to win in the long run. Keep doing this multiple times and you can gradually build up your business for long term success.
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    • Profile picture of the author miker501
      Originally Posted by im2010 View Post

      Thanks XFactor, this is what I was looking from your side to hear.

      Unique Quality Content and Whitehat Backlinking is what going to win in the long run. Keep doing this multiple times and you can gradually build up your business for long term success.
      I agree totally. I started out with Johns book,and still have some 2 or 3 page sites. But I have quite a few in the 20-50 page range and am sitting between $60-80 a day. I have amazon aff links and an articles and videos section to add value. This month should clear over $2000. I use my own templates and backlink mainly with articles now.

      The system works GREAT, it just needs tenacity and consistency, no luck required !
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      • Profile picture of the author icrystal
        miker501 - would you mind sharing how many sites you have? Thanks

        Originally Posted by miker501 View Post

        I agree totally. I started out with Johns book,and still have some 2 or 3 page sites. But I have quite a few in the 20-50 page range and am sitting between $60-80 a day. I have amazon aff links and an articles and videos section to add value. This month should clear over $2000. I use my own templates and backlink mainly with articles now.

        The system works GREAT, it just needs tenacity and consistency, no luck required !
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        • Profile picture of the author miker501
          Originally Posted by icrystal View Post

          miker501 - would you mind sharing how many sites you have? Thanks
          Sure. I built around 35 sites, but the early ones were a bit of a misjudgement, some not ranking due to poor SEO analysis in the early days and some that do rank but get very few clicks.

          I have probably 20 that I will keep after the year is up and 4 or 5 or these are capable (and have) made between $20-30+ a day individually. These are the ones I am buidling out significantly.

          All it takes is consistent effort, nothing much more than that.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe Pace
            Originally Posted by miker501 View Post

            Sure. I built around 35 sites, but the early ones were a bit of a misjudgement, some not ranking due to poor SEO analysis in the early days and some that do rank but get very few clicks.

            I have probably 20 that I will keep after the year is up and 4 or 5 or these are capable (and have) made between $20-30+ a day individually. These are the ones I am buidling out significantly.

            All it takes is consistent effort, nothing much more than that.
            I just finished building about 20 sites; each has about 20-40 pages of good content, so my network sounds similar to yours.

            Can you just answer a question for me really fast please?

            Can you just give me an idea how you build your backlinks? You said you use mostly article marketing? Is it effective for you?

            This forum gets so confusing with what works and what doesn't in regards to backlinks; I just don't want to waste my time...

            Thx for any tips.
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            • Profile picture of the author miker501
              I've played with Linkvana, Blog Blueprint, EZArticleLink and a few others. I'm now concentrating on articles alone and pushing them out to the top 5-10 directories. A little blog commenting but I can't be bothered with that really.

              I don't think you can go too far wrong with the article marketing route, just takes a bit of work. Diverse backlinks is great but you have to weigh it up against how much effort all these differing strategies take. I do a bit of mass article submitting and point the links at some of my EZA and GO articles for a little more juice.

              Also have a few Squidoo lenses up and mass submit with resource box directed at those. I'm trying to leverage my efforts against those articles and lenses to get more juice towards my money sites.

              That's about it. Not that hard, and for me, very effective to date.
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              • Profile picture of the author Joe Pace
                Originally Posted by miker501 View Post

                I've played with Linkvana, Blog Blueprint, EZArticleLink and a few others. I'm now concentrating on articles alone and pushing them out to the top 5-10 directories. A little blog commenting but I can't be bothered with that really.

                I don't think you can go too far wrong with the article marketing route, just takes a bit of work. Diverse backlinks is great but you have to weigh it up against how much effort all these differing strategies take. I do a bit of mass article submitting and point the links at some of my EZA and GO articles for a little more juice.

                Also have a few Squidoo lenses up and mass submit with resource box directed at those. I'm trying to leverage my efforts against those articles and lenses to get more juice towards my money sites.

                That's about it. Not that hard, and for me, very effective to date.
                Thx for the reply - it is really more helpful than you think (so much misinformation around here).

                So basically you are submitting to your top 10 favorite article directories and getting links to your Adsense sites, and inner pages. Then basically using Web 2.0 sites like Squidoo to boost the PR of the submitted articles?

                So the KISS method is basically working well for you, instead of trying all of these other linking methods you hear about online?
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                • Profile picture of the author miker501
                  I point the squidoo lenses at my money sites, but point mass submitted articles at the lenses and at EZA and GO articles to give them a boost.

                  It seems to work becauseI have a few PR3 articles now on EZA pointing directly at a page or two on my sites. The KISS method works, and it's a damn site simpler than having a mass of different systems to manage.

                  That said, backlink diversity is a good thing, but you have to find a balance between making your work too complicated and/or getting results.
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                  • Profile picture of the author efex
                    Hey miker,

                    very good info you are providing and I totally agree on keeping it simple. I also only use articles but I've never done mass submission like you mention.

                    What's the relation between the number of your EZa articles and the number of your mass submitted articles? How many of the mass articles you do?
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                    • Profile picture of the author miker501
                      Originally Posted by efex View Post

                      Hey miker,

                      very good info you are providing and I totally agree on keeping it simple. I also only use articles but I've never done mass submission like you mention.

                      What's the relation between the number of your EZa articles and the number of your mass submitted articles? How many of the mass articles you do?
                      No real relationship - I just use Mass Article Submitter to backlink the EZA articlers and Squidoo lenses occasionally.

                      In reality, none of this is hard, none of it needs precision work, just consistent effort.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
                      Hey guys a lot of great tips here! Thanks!

                      I was wondering if its a good idea to noindex+nofollow pages like the privacy policy... In trying to keep the competition from tracking you.

                      Will these tags hurt in terms of Google "not seeing it" or devaluing your site in any way?

                      I see that some people creating these pages made their privacy policy pages into graphics instead of text...

                      thanks!
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
                        Originally Posted by pack12 View Post

                        Hey guys a lot of great tips here! Thanks!

                        I was wondering if its a good idea to noindex+nofollow pages like the privacy policy... In trying to keep the competition from tracking you.

                        Will these tags hurt in terms of Google "not seeing it" or devaluing your site in any way?

                        I see that some people creating these pages made their privacy policy pages into graphics instead of text...

                        thanks!
                        I don't think it makes a big difference. How is your privacy policy unique to you? I generate all of my privacy policies with easy privacy policy plugin and so do 1000s of other sites. So there's no way to track my sites specifically as 1000s of other people use the exact same policy.

                        Little things like this are not going to help you, so I would just leave it alone. Focus on writing content and building backlinks.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Carol01
                    Originally Posted by miker501 View Post

                    The KISS method works, and it's a damn site simpler than having a mass of different systems to manage.

                    That said, backlink diversity is a good thing, but you have to find a balance between making your work too complicated and/or getting results.
                    what is KISS method?
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                    • Profile picture of the author miker501
                      Originally Posted by Carol01 View Post

                      what is KISS method?

                      Keep It Simple Stupid
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      When is the next version coming out? I am totally stoked about the update!
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  • Profile picture of the author swayman
    wow you must be very rich now.
    remember other people who are in need. Spend some of your fortune to help their lives.
    God bless you.
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    Great post xFactor!
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  • Profile picture of the author Irsan Komarga
    See if page one is all PR 0-2 or 4-6. 4-6 is a lot harder to beat than 0-2. Also Y Page links = 0 or hundreds. If it's hundreds, it's a tough battle = going to need lots of hard work and time. So combine those two, PR 0-2 and Y Page links = 0 if possible then it's easy to get to page 1 but this kind of ideal situation isn't not as quite as to find but it's there.

    I recently found this by reverse engineer why my site on page 1 all the time and why so many of them not ranking at all. Those above are a few of the hints.
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    • Profile picture of the author efex
      Thanks Irsan!

      I still haven't seen any niche with 0 backlinks. Have to keep looking for
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM
    But what else is there to say, really? Johns original thread contains all info you need really (and he states this himself). The book/course will appeal to the completely clueless who need their hand holding through the complete process, but TBH once you've put a couple of these sites together you should be able to fly solo. The real trick is getting ranked for your target phrase - even with long-tail phrases this is getting more difficult by the day. The entire approach is reliant on obtaining organic (free) traffic from the search engines, so the things that most people have difficulty with are actually the kind SEO problems that all of us face - they aren't unique to John's (or any other) micro niche 'method'.
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    • Profile picture of the author Irsan Komarga
      Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

      What you will then have to do is react, tweak, improvise and learn from what is working and what is not.

      For many people, it seems to me, this is the most difficult part of succeeding online or anywhere else.
      This is so true. I followed xfactor method religiously and I thought I was doing the right thing and I scaled up massively. It was a great time, my income double and tripe practically in few short months. Google mayday hit me in 1 scoop and my earning went down to about 1/4-1/3 of my original income which as over 1K/mo. It was great but I learnt my expensive lesson and I am not giving up. Succeeding online or offline takes processes up and down and constant improvement. The key is to focus, learn something till you become very good at it and the money should eventually come to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
        I notice that someone has been looking up one of my domains through reverse IP.

        I suppose someone could come along and take over all your niches or clickbomb you out of spite for being their competition (or whatever reason)?

        So are y'all spreading out your domains over different hosts/IPs?
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        • Profile picture of the author pnewcomb
          Originally Posted by pack12 View Post

          I notice that someone has been looking up one of my domains through reverse IP.

          I suppose someone could come along and take over all your niches or clickbomb you out of spite for being their competition (or whatever reason)?

          So are y'all spreading out your domains over different hosts/IPs?
          I'm also interested to know what would be best for this situation. One option would be to use shared hosting so nobody can tell which sites are yours, but shared hosting is usually slow & that sucks. Another thing is that there are ways to lookup an adsense ID or analytics ID and find all other sites using those. What can be done to cover our tracks?
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        • Profile picture of the author Ducksauce
          Originally Posted by Bryan V View Post

          I notice that someone has been looking up one of my domains through reverse IP.

          I suppose someone could come along and take over all your niches or clickbomb you out of spite for being their competition (or whatever reason)?

          So are y'all spreading out your domains over different hosts/IPs?
          Can some one explain to me what he is talking about with reverse IP to find someones sites?
          If my sites are all on the same HostGator account, that that mean they all have the same IP?
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          • Profile picture of the author KentChow
            Xfactor thread and info is always interesting and informative. I think it's about executing consistently and finding the winners. You may have heard about 80/20 rule. Probably I need to build 10 sites and get 2 winners and keep it going.

            My writing sucks, but only practicing would help me to get there.

            I have thin budget and wanna do as much as I could, make some, reinvest, and outsource more.
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      • Profile picture of the author jijaybajay
        Originally Posted by Irsan Komarga View Post

        This is so true. I followed xfactor method religiously and I thought I was doing the right thing and I scaled up massively. It was a great time, my income double and tripe practically in few short months. Google mayday hit me in 1 scoop and my earning went down to about 1/4-1/3 of my original income which as over 1K/mo. It was great but I learnt my expensive lesson and I am not giving up. Succeeding online or offline takes processes up and down and constant improvement. The key is to focus, learn something till you become very good at it and the money should eventually come to you.
        Could you share what are the lessons you've learn?
        I see that some of my page 1 websites are getting out of top 10 pages of Google.
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        • Profile picture of the author jtpada
          Originally Posted by jijaybajay View Post

          Could you share what are the lessons you've learn?
          I see that some of my page 1 websites are getting out of top 10 pages of Google.
          "Scaled up massively"...as in... putting up more and more of these 1 - 3 page sites. As opposed to building them, adding content, adding more pages and posts in order for them to become substantial enough for Google to see value in them.

          It is the lack of value, according to Google, that gets these sites are losing their positions.
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  • Profile picture of the author jukooz
    John: Do You still put your pages around specific product niches? If yes, You are doing so as in example above "Yoga Supplies" - many product based articles around Yoga? Do You add any different content to this sites or just product based articles like in a book?

    Do You still use this ugly template?
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Nice that you have got your sites earning regularly, if you always strive to give the search engines the unique content they want, they will always reward you
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello xfactor,

    Great stuff your xfactor method!

    Please explain me; so does google not see my site as an only mfa sites, do you have an blog on your "yoga mat" black and green site?

    Or you have not a blog, only products and product reviews, and the content you writing about the yoga mat topic you write on squidoo or others, and then link back to your "yoga mat" black-green product site?

    So, additionally you write articles too, to high pr directories with a link back to your "yoga mat site", or how you should make this?

    Example; I think when i have 10-15 wellness product topics and write daily 8-10 blogposts on my product site without adsense,they i promote on different social news sites, or write it on squidoo with back link to my wellness product site.

    Addition i write daily 8 different articles to 8 different high pr directories, i must become very good traffic and high ctr to make very good money within 2-3 months with this adsene method?

    Hope you can me eyplain this a little bit.

    best wishes and success
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    • Profile picture of the author Hortensia
      Hi Everyone,

      I've just gone through the 217 pages of John's new adsense course and I truely believe it answers a lot of the questions that people have in this thread.

      He is very clear on keywordresearch, backlinking and sitestructure. Absolutely worth reading! Great information. Answered a lot of my questions and reinforced my doubts about the use of keywordtools and stats.

      Not everything he says I agree with though. For example he goes on and on, about the quality of his content, but what he comes up with I don't like that much. Too brainy, too boring and not really selling the click in my humble opinion.

      But hey... it's an honest and open report about his development as a publisher over the years.

      I learned a lot ;-)

      JP
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello to all,

    This weekend i have much think about the great xfactor method.
    I think to make money with this method, amazon will there be better than make moeny with adsense.

    Why? I will make an example ;

    So you will promote amazon products with prices no less under 100$ each item.
    When you writing daily blogposts and 10 article each days to high pr directories, so you will be after 3-4 month have 300 users a day ore more.

    Lets calculate, that an adwords advertiser to promote this products must pay an cpc from 2,50-5$, so ist possible you become 30% of them , lets say 0,75 per click.

    You have with the xfactor method 20% ctr, thats are;

    with adsense;
    60 clicks a day x 0,75$ x 30 days = are 1350 $ adsense income

    with amazon;
    say you have a 3% conversion rate, thats are 9 sales every day multiple 100$; (7% commissions by products not books)

    9x 100$= 900$
    30 days = 27.000 $ x 7% amazon commisssion= 1890$ income only from amazon

    So think the most buyers buy more than one product on amazon , so in this example, the most buyer will buy 150-200$ in your niche from amazon, you have doupled yur income with amazon commissions.

    With adsense not.This will be stay on 0,75$ cent per click or in months with less search volumes,a little bit lower than 0,75 cent per click.

    But i think with the xfactor method with an big amazon leatherboard with pictures and product reviews, you will have more than a 3% conversion rate, i think up to 5% ore more.

    with best wishes
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    John you are a wonderful man. Always ready to help and quickly, when asked something. Btw, how much you earn these days, and how many sites do you use?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello,

    yes that is great stuff from john.

    Butt, when he said, he had over 2000 pages on his 1 health website, that does mean, that he has a blog, who he putt adsense or not?

    I can not believe, that his health website has 2000 static pages, only about products (product pages).
    He is doing blogging, other it can not be possible.

    But i think, the problem about is this (please correct me when ive been failed);
    You blogging about an topic (categorie), on your health website, with articles, that have very less or nothing search volumes, who are fast ranking in google, so that these articles have not competition.

    But this is dangerous, then an article with theese keywords who have no search volume or very less, so there are not advertisers for this keyword, so google you not pay an high EPC, so when you put adsense to this article site/post.

    So why should google blend high EPC adsense on such article sites? Google is not your friend, google is an imperium,who is primary Maxime is to make money, millions of money, not pay you very very much money.

    Think about the box.

    I will be start with xmethod, but i do not blogging on my static product xfactor sites, nothing.
    Or perhaps too, when its possible, to find 100-200 additional topic -categorie keywords with high cpc, so if there are many of theese keywords, yes you can blogging about, otherwise nothing.

    Or im be wrong about that?
    Please correct me if im wrong.

    best wishes and success
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello john,

    I see on one on your authorits sites, you have your written articles who are on article directories, putting in your website under recent posts too, with the same text.

    Is this not duble content?


    with best wishes
    marco005
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    Your name is all over the net, congrats for your success and thanks for sharing really valuable information to us, Finally I finish read the whole this thread
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  • Profile picture of the author goodmast3r
    Hi Guys,

    With xfactor, will this work?

    Order 200 articles and post it on my blog. Each article is $5, so 5*200 = $1000

    Then I spin one arrticle into 4 articles. So I now have 5 articles (with the original article).
    800 spinned articles and 200 original articles, total 1000 articles. Each spinned article will cost me each $2. Total spinned article = $800.

    I submit each articles to 2 article directory. So there will be 2000 backlink. I outsource this for $400 or $0.2 per article.

    I order 1000 blog commenting service each $0.25 will will bring me 1000 backlink

    So 3000 backlink, and 1000 articles with $3250 investment. In one year, I hope at least it will give $10 / day or $3600 a year.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    My quick 2 cents...

    I'm far from one of XFactor's cult members and I'm often quite critical of some of the less-than-useful WSO's and special offers I see. I've been in internet marketing for years on the local seo side for SMB's, but just recently got into the publishing game.

    The XFactor thread was my second read about how to publish and monetize through AdSense and seemed plausible. Once finished reading the (ungodly long) thread, I decided to give it a go. I made some mistakes along the way starting out and I did NOT copy exactly things like his template, link building through article marketing only, etc.

    It's an unfortunate truth that no matter how well intentioned your plan or process is, there are going to be plenty of people that try and fail with it. Is that due to the variances that people add or is it due to a failure on the part of the person attempting? I see many people asking the same questions over and over in the same thread...even from the same member, often enough. I truly believe that those people want to be SOOO sure they're not wasting their time, that they miss opportunities through failure to act. (Being careful...this same argument is what's used to push people to buy their $17 crappy ebook and I'm NOT advocating that, heh.)

    Anyway, we've found a more limited success with piggy-backing on XFactor's method and others and we're looking to exploit it on a large scale. We started all of this WITHOUT purchasing anything or spending a dime on XFactor's (or anyone else's) course. (Subsequently, I went back and purchased his second course. It's useful, but really just a collection of information that can be gathered for free)

    I'm grateful for the information he put out, but I would warn others to NOT follow any program exactly to the T. Even if you find success, it will be an exact copy, similar to so many others that are already out there. It pays to experiment a bit...
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      The system still works, you will have to adjust it quite a bit but the basics are the same. Small sites can still be built and rank fairly quickly. My income sky rocketed after combining this method with a couple others.
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      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
        Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

        The system still works, you will have to adjust it quite a bit but the basics are the same. Small sites can still be built and rank fairly quickly. My income sky rocketed after combining this method with a couple others.

        Alot of people ask a lot of questions out of fear of getting their adsense account privileges BANNED. I know I did. Ive invested far too much time to only have the a-holes at google just take a steaming pile on my account for a stupid simple honest mistake. Yes it does happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author chas08
    Does anyone have an update on xfactors case study, building a site to earn $100 a day?
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreys
    Can you update your income and how many sites you have now?

    Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreys
    Hi John,

    How man of the sites are authority and micro niche sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Jeffrey,

    Check the date of this thread. You're alittle late to the party and his method is considered outdated imo.
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