Even if your site is only making $10 a month in Adsense....

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It's paid for your hosting.

Of course I'm clearly stating the obvious here, but this is something a lot of people starting out will forget about. Many will complain that it's not worth the effort for the small amounts they're earning, and in many cases may give up and try something else they hope will make them more money. But even just $10 a month will easily cover the cost of an average hosting account and a yearly domain registration. If the site is automated or requires no additional work, you can then start creating more web sites or add more content to the current site to bring in extra income.

Multiple income streams like these can really make a difference.

I have similar small income earner, a product I sell on eBay. It's fully automated. I set it up back in December 2009 and haven't touched it since. Now I may only make a sale once every 2 or 3 weeks, but even then the buyer is added to a list, it makes enough to pay for the ebay auto relisting & image hosting service I use, and also makes enough to cover the cost of my autoresponder. So I can now concentrate on creating more products to sell on ebay, or tweak the current sales page to attract more buyers without it costing me any extra.

So my advice to those starting out. If you find something that's making you money, even if it's a very small amount, stick with it! Put that extra income straight back into your business to pay for hosting, an autoresponder or any other tools you may be using.
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  • Profile picture of the author susinggih
    Second to that. With $10/month you have already made profits. With $10 domain name plus $30/year hosting you have already hit > 200% ROI

    Always go with shared hosting. With $30/year sometimes you can have total of 6 domains hosted there (one main domain plus 5 add on domains).
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    • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
      Originally Posted by susinggih View Post

      Second to that. With $10/month you have already made profits. With $10 domain name plus $30/year hosting you have already hit > 200% ROI
      Only if your time is worth nothing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        We dont need that crap here:rolleyes:

        One of the reasons newbies keep failing is because they never appreciate the small amounts they make.

        Everyone has to start somewhere and in the end profit is still profit.

        Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

        Only if your time is worth nothing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Glenn72
          Originally Posted by TargetedTrafficSolutions View Post

          Its a learning experience for those just starting out, granted you only may be making $10 or $100 a month... The bottom line is your learning a skill that is scalable and can help you become pretty independent... I can remember one some of my sites made their first couple of bucks a month with things like adsense half a decade ago, it was crazy to me... Today 6 figures a month is normal and is to alot of people...

          If you willing to put a tiny bit more effort into your sites that are earning you may be shocked, your $10 a month income can easily spike to $1000 in a few month with a little SEO, traffic gen and on page conversion testing... Even use something as simpe as google website optimizer which is free...

          Not only can you make a few bucks, your learning something that 99% of the population 5 years from now will have idea exists..
          Great points. It sounds like you've done really well from Adsense? And the Google website optimizer is something I had completely forgotten about. Thanks for the reminder.

          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          We dont need that crap here:rolleyes:

          One of the reasons newbies keep failing is because they never appreciate the small amounts they make.

          Everyone has to start somewhere and in the end profit is still profit.
          Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

          Only if your time is worth nothing.
          Exactly!

          Not a good argument to begin with either. How can your time be worth nothing? Providing you do it correctly, spending a few hours setting up something just once that could easily make you money for years to come. Compare that to a real job where you spend 3 hours working, get paid for that time just once and never see any more money from it.
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        • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          We dont need that crap here:rolleyes:

          One of the reasons newbies keep failing is because they never appreciate the small amounts they make.

          Everyone has to start somewhere and in the end profit is still profit.
          What crap is that? :rolleyes:

          I was addressing a very specific point that made a profit claim without taking into account all costs, time being a big one. Perhaps one of the reasons "newbies keep failing" is that they don't take into account all costs when running a business. It's all well and good if it's an educational effort, but let's not pretend that's it's a profitable business at this point.

          BTW, who's knocking AdSense here?
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          • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
            I disagree.

            who cares about "time".

            You either want to succeed or not, no matter what it takes

            If it took you 1 year to quit your job yet you just broke even the for the 1st 12 months because you kept scaling up and investing all your profits would that be such a bad thing?

            Lets see.....1 year of hard work then your dream is realised

            Or keep telling the newbies to search for that fast way....good luck with that, I'm sure the newbies will love working a 9to5 till they die..

            The member we are talking about has made some money, thats a lot better than most people every manage online....a bit of encouragement would be better for him.

            I'm not having a go at you mate believe me...but the newbies need to realise this takes lots of work to succeed and you need to make sacrifices, sometimes its money, sometimes its time...usually its both but it doesnt matter if you arrive at your destination after a bit of hard work.




            Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

            What crap is that? :rolleyes:

            I was addressing a very specific point that made a profit claim without taking into account all costs, time being a big one. Perhaps one of the reasons "newbies keep failing" is that they don't take into account all costs when running a business. It's all well and good if it's an educational effort, but let's not pretend that's it's a profitable business at this point.

            BTW, who's knocking AdSense here?
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    Great advice not to forget if they are looking for some surge of income they can flip their site to be able to get more capital to be use for other projects...
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn72
      Originally Posted by susinggih View Post

      Second to that. With $10/month you have already made profits. With $10 domain name plus $30/year hosting you have already hit > 200% ROI

      Always go with shared hosting. With $30/year sometimes you can have total of 6 domains hosted there (one main domain plus 5 add on domains).
      True! I actually signed up with a $1 / month hosting service not so long ago. They let you use up to 5 domains and 200 subdomains. Except they're a bit slow so I wouldn't recommend them :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay View Post

      Very good advice Glenn it all ads up!
      Thanks Jay. Yes, every bit counts.

      Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

      Great advice not to forget if they are looking for some surge of income they can flip their site to be able to get more capital to be use for other projects...
      Yes, a good point. A site making that much should sell for at least 10x that amount.
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  • Its a learning experience for those just starting out, granted you only may be making $10 or $100 a month... The bottom line is your learning a skill that is scalable and can help you become pretty independent... I can remember one some of my sites made their first couple of bucks a month with things like adsense half a decade ago, it was crazy to me... Today 6 figures a month is normal and is to alot of people...

    If you willing to put a tiny bit more effort into your sites that are earning you may be shocked, your $10 a month income can easily spike to $1000 in a few month with a little SEO, traffic gen and on page conversion testing... Even use something as simpe as google website optimizer which is free...

    Not only can you make a few bucks, your learning something that 99% of the population 5 years from no will have idea exists..
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  • Profile picture of the author ara009
    yes it is right to keep small earning things online rather than continue spending time on scams.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    I agree, hosting money is all Adsense is good for
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      So in other words your not good enough to make a respectable income from Adsense.

      Instead of knockings things, why dont you try them with the intentions of giving it your best shot.

      Why do so many people swear by Adsense or any other method for that matter - because it works if you know what you're doing.

      Better to keep an open mind because you never know when you might need it.



      Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

      I agree, hosting money is all Adsense is good for
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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        So in other words your not good enough to make a respectable income from Adsense.

        Instead of knockings things, why dont you try them with the intentions of giving it your best shot.

        Why do so many people swear by Adsense or any other method for that matter - because it works if you know what you're doing.

        Better to keep an open mind because you never know when you might need it.
        Hey Ernie,

        Yes, I've never made significant money with Adsense,but that's not the same as saying you can't (notice the ).
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          Glad to hear it

          Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

          Hey Ernie,

          Yes, I've never made significant money with Adsense,but that's not the same as saying you can't (notice the ).
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  • Profile picture of the author DrGUID
    Yeah don't knock Adsense. With a bit of intelligence you can make bucket loads. I have single pages that make $10 a month, you don't need many of those for a boat load of cash each month.

    Hour for hour I make more money writing my Adsense pages than doing my day job. Add on Clickbank, Kontera and other money, and that's some serious 2nd income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrs S
    I agree - my adsense income kept me going for a while to cover my hosting/domain/aweber expenses etc before I started making money from other income streams.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpa-money
    being ballanced is important, but still - making money is much important
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  • Profile picture of the author rovad
    Yes, I have a dozen of smaller websites which earn me 3-10$ a month from Adsense, I get a check every few months, but it's worth it as I can pay unlimited hosting and get as many domains as I want.
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  • Profile picture of the author callstar
    My adsense covers my broadband, telephone, power, business trips and now I've put the payments on hold to pay for my wedding.

    It started off at $1 per day (after spending about 2 months learning about SEO and ad placement) I won't say how much it is now but it's a fair amount more.

    The mindset I had was: This is just like a video game and I'm trying to get the highest score. Although I knew it was money I tried not to get emotional about the money in the way I would if I had earned it working an hourly wage.

    The momentum gained from turning $1 per day into $2 per day and so on and so forth was huge. Always buying more unique articles with my adsense payments and getting excited about SEO and other marketing was another key element.
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  • Profile picture of the author Edk
    Originally Posted by Glenn72 View Post

    It's paid for your hosting.

    Of course I'm clearly stating the obvious here, but this is something a lot of people starting out will forget about. Many will complain that it's not worth the effort for the small amounts they're earning, and in many cases may give up and try something else they hope will make them more money. But even just $10 a month will easily cover the cost of an average hosting account and a yearly domain registration. If the site is automated or requires no additional work, you can then start creating more web sites or add more content to the current site to bring in extra income.

    Multiple income streams like these can really make a difference.

    I have similar small income earner, a product I sell on eBay. It's fully automated. I set it up back in December 2009 and haven't touched it since. Now I may only make a sale once every 2 or 3 weeks, but even then the buyer is added to a list, it makes enough to pay for the ebay auto relisting & image hosting service I use, and also makes enough to cover the cost of my autoresponder. So I can now concentrate on creating more products to sell on ebay, or tweak the current sales page to attract more buyers without it costing me any extra.

    So my advice to those starting out. If you find something that's making you money, even if it's a very small amount, stick with it! Put that extra income straight back into your business to pay for hosting, an autoresponder or any other tools you may be using.
    Yes, the term Ramp It Up comes so readily to mind. Thanks for the observation!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    The people here knocking Adsense crack me up. I make and have made for years a full-time income that beats the crap out of most jobs just from Adsense. It's not all I do, but you definitely can do quite well with Adsense.

    And to address the OP's point, spend a few minutes investigating how much money site buyers at Flippa are willing to shell out for sites making LESS than $10/month in Adsense income. I saw one making $7/month in Adsense go for $300 the other day. They regularly go for $150-$200 if they look pretty nice and have a good keyword in the domain name.

    So the OP is correct... even an Adsense site making very little per month is at least not costing you anything after you get to that point, and it very well could bring you many months' worth of income in one big chunk if you flip it.

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  • Profile picture of the author spanisheye
    The people who knock Adsense are those who haven't been able to make decent money out of it.

    Adsense has kept me out of a job for the past five years. It's enabled me to work for myself, buy a new car, a new house and save plenty. I take my family on holiday three or four times a year and we don't go counting pennies whilst we're there.

    Yes, you need a lot of traffic to make it work but it's possible.

    Adsense still pays all my bills, and more, and gives me an excellent quality of life.

    So please stop the Adsense bashing, I don't know where I'd be without it!
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    • Profile picture of the author parzlou
      Adsense does work just keep at it and follow the rules of the BIG G and you can make bank... speaking of bank I'm off to go deposit my adsense check for april that just came wooohoo.


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  • Profile picture of the author sparesigma
    I agree, many publisher is keep complaining that they are not earning good but they not really go to study the reason. Most of the website has the potential to make more money if the owner keep trying on ads optimization
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn72
      Originally Posted by callstar View Post

      The mindset I had was: This is just like a video game and I'm trying to get the highest score.
      Haha, I like the sound of that! I guess SEO is like that anyway. One big strategy game where the goal is to beat the competition, get to the top of Google and earn a few bonus points (Adsense) along the way.

      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      And to address the OP's point, spend a few minutes investigating how much money site buyers at Flippa are willing to shell out for sites making LESS than $10/month in Adsense income. I saw one making $7/month in Adsense go for $300 the other day. They regularly go for $150-$200 if they look pretty nice and have a good keyword in the domain name.

      So the OP is correct... even an Adsense site making very little per month is at least not costing you anything after you get to that point, and it very well could bring you many months' worth of income in one big chunk if you flip it.
      Hi John, thanks for the reply. I enjoyed reading your daily blogger posting thread the other week and have started setting a few Blogger blogs myself. If I remember correctly you had the same idea there about about using those to pay for bills.

      And yes, Flippa is definitely something worth looking into also. $300 doesn't sound too bad for a site earning $7 a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    The "time" issue works both ways, remember. How about the site you spent 20 hours on 3 years ago that is still earning you money every single month now? I have plenty of those (some even older). I look at the time invested up front as just that - an investment. The longer a site earns even a small amount via Adsense, the less it cost you in time.

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    • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      The "time" issue works both ways, remember. How about the site you spent 20 hours on 3 years ago that is still earning you money every single month now? I have plenty of those (some even older). I look at the time invested up front as just that - an investment. The longer a site earns even a small amount via Adsense, the less it cost you in time.

      John
      The time issue does work both ways, but it will still take a while to become profitable. I never said that it won't *ever* be profitable, just that it won't happen right away as the poster I responded to (not the OP, whose observation I actually agree with when put in perspective) claimed.

      To push the point far further than I probably should here is an brief analysis.

      Let's say that you value your time at $25/hr, which is far less than most people here probably *should* value their time at. And for the sake of example, let's say the site earns 0, 2, 4, 6, and 8 dollars after the first through fifth months before settling in on a consistent $10 per month after that. We'll say that our hosting and domain cost us a total of $1 per month.

      So, our first month's cash flow looks like this:

      -$500 (20 hours * $25/hr) -$1 (hosting/domain) + $0 (no income first month) = -$501

      The second month's cashflow is positive: $-1 (hosting/domain) $2 (adsense income kicking in here) = $1 cash inflow.

      But because we covered our expenses and had an extra dollar of cashflow in month 2, is our enterprise profitable? An argument was made here that it is. I argue that we are still $500 in the hole.

      In fact, if we take the net present value of the project after three years of earning $10 a month, using a discount rate of 5%, we're still at -$228.29. That means that after 3 years we're still over $200 in the hole!

      Again, I'm not saying that this will *never* be profitable. If we can continue to get $10 a month we'll eventually get there. Assuming, of course, that you don't sink any more time into the project. And the underlying assumption is that we'll do better than $10 which will accelerate the payback period. I'm also not dissing Adsense, not even in the slightest.

      What I'm challenging, and hoping to shed some light on, is the notion that if you exceed your hosting costs after the first month you are all of the sudden "profitable". That's just not the way it works. You could build 100 sites using the same parameters as above, and you won't be profitable for years.

      And don't dismiss the notion that since you don't have a job, your time is not worth anything. There is an opportunity cost associated with this time, which could otherwise be spent with family, on the beach, or at the mountain. And spending 40 hours a week on sites with the economics that I've described above won't feed your family.

      There was another thread here that discussed what the expression "treat it as a business" means. I think this is a prime example of where this expression adds perspective.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbsb
        Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

        The time issue does work both ways, but it will still take a while to become profitable. I never said that it won't *ever* be profitable, just that it won't happen right away as the poster I responded to (not the OP, whose observation I actually agree with when put in perspective) claimed.

        To push the point far further than I probably should here is an brief analysis.

        Let's say that you value your time at $25/hr, which is far less than most people here probably *should* value their time at. And for the sake of example, let's say the site earns 0, 2, 4, 6, and 8 dollars after the first through fifth months before settling in on a consistent $10 per month after that. We'll say that our hosting and domain cost us a total of $1 per month.

        So, our first month's cash flow looks like this:

        -$500 (20 hours * $25/hr) -$1 (hosting/domain) + $0 (no income first month) = -$501

        The second month's cashflow is positive: $-1 (hosting/domain) $2 (adsense income kicking in here) = $1 cash inflow.

        But because we covered our expenses and had an extra dollar of cashflow in month 2, is our enterprise profitable? An argument was made here that it is. I argue that we are still $500 in the hole.

        In fact, if we take the net present value of the project after three years of earning $10 a month, using a discount rate of 5%, we're still at -$228.29. That means that after 3 years we're still over $200 in the hole!

        Again, I'm not saying that this will *never* be profitable. If we can continue to get $10 a month we'll eventually get there. Assuming, of course, that you don't sink any more time into the project. And the underlying assumption is that we'll do better than $10 which will accelerate the payback period. I'm also not dissing Adsense, not even in the slightest.

        What I'm challenging, and hoping to shed some light on, is the notion that if you exceed your hosting costs after the first month you are all of the sudden "profitable". That's just not the way it works. You could build 100 sites using the same parameters as above, and you won't be profitable for years.

        And don't dismiss the notion that since you don't have a job, your time is not worth anything. There is an opportunity cost associated with this time, which could otherwise be spent with family, on the beach, or at the mountain. And spending 40 hours a week on sites with the economics that I've described above won't feed your family.

        There was another thread here that discussed what the expression "treat it as a business" means. I think this is a prime example of where this expression adds perspective.
        Great post AAA Youve got the accounting/economics of it down perfectly.

        I'm in the hole some collossol amount of time (and consequently time$) on some of my bigger projects but I chalk it down to being a semi-serious hobby. Even at a couple of hundred bucks a month I am far away repaying the time invested.

        If it ever pays off to the point I can quit my job I'll be over the moon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn72
    20 hours? Even if you're setting up a niche blog with original content, it shouldn't take anywhere near that long. At a rough estimate, around 30 minutes of keyword research, 45 minutes to set up a blog and maybe an hour to write or rewrite a couple of unique articles. That's a bit over two hours. Treat it as a hobby during spare time while most people are watching tv or browsing facebook, and it's not even going to seem like work.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
    The ignorant people who knock Adsense simply don't know how to implement the entire SEO and IM process or haven't put in the effort necessary. It's not a get-rich-quick ordeal by any means, though most people view it as such due to the massive amount of costly, misinformative ebooks circulating around on the topic. I just started less than 2 months ago and already make a steady $15 a day from a simple Blogger niche site sitting at #5 in Google's SERPs for a highly competitive keyword phrase. That's motivation enough for me to keep going and to encourage others while denouncing the doubters.
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