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by mikeloi

Posted: 14 years ago 24 replies

Hi all,

I bought and used a backlink packet. I used them and jumped 10 spots in two days for a very competitive keyword.I am presently with another seo company who I have been with for almost a year and am starting to become unsatisfied with their results. I wrote them today informing them that I am considering dropping their service and that I was able to increase my rankings dramatically using backlinks. They wrote the following which I was hoping to get thoughts on(specifically their belief that random backlinks could damage my website's credibility). Any and all feedback greatly appreciated.

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I can assure you that we are doing everything we can possibly to do increase your rankings. The main issue is your PageRank, without a high PR score you will continually struggle to get top rankings now and in the future for all keywords. You really need to focus on increasing your PR and not invest so much energy into those exact keyword phrases. Also we should be just a part of what you are doing to increase your creditability and pageranking, our blog is full of things you can do to help increase your PageRank.

I would be very careful about the links you sent to your site. All it takes is one backlink to do some serious damage to your sites creditability and that could result in your site getting red flagged. We are trained professionals that know what to look for. We know how to make the process look as natural as possible in the eyes of the webmasters and that is what they are looking for, its not bunch of random backlinks that are going to give you long term creditability. There is a flow and if that flow is too slow, broken, or too fast then it will raise flags wiithin the engines themselves and possible do harm to your site.

Our goal is to get you top rankings in the shortest amount of time as possible. We dont want to lose you as a client but just remember SEO is a process and it can take some time to get you top rankings. Its not uncommon for an SEO campaign to take 6 months or longer to get top rankings. Its not a process that cannot happen over night or even in a few months, even once you get top rankings its not done. You will need to maintain some form of SEO to maintain those rankings otherwise your competition will continue with their SEO campaigns and eventually take over your position and knock you down the page. Please let me know if I can assist you further.

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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

I bought and used angelas backlinks.

Hi, I'm spamming!

I used them and jumped 10 spots in two days for a very competitive keyword.

Jumped from what to what? 120 to 110? Is that a stable permanent jump in rankings or just a temp thing? You could drop 50 spots next week. What is your idea of competitive?

The main issue is your PageRank, without a high PR score you will continually struggle to get top rankings now and in the future for all keywords

Page Rank has nothing to do with how well a site/page ranks.

You really need to focus on increasing your PR and not invest so much energy into those exact keyword phrases.

See previous comment and WTF? Having a PR 5 site that gets no traffic isn't going to do you much good, is it?

I would be very careful about the links you sent to your site. All it takes is one backlink to do some serious damage to your sites creditability and that could result in your site getting red flagged.

Very very small nugget of truth to this however I doubt you are out getting backlinks from known malware sites.

SEO is a process and it can take some time to get you top rankings. Its not uncommon for an SEO campaign to take 6 months or longer to get top rankings. Its not a process that cannot happen over night or even in a few months, even once you get top rankings its not done.

Write this down and remember it. Tattoo this to your significant others forehead so you don't forget it.

Here is the deal,

Many spammy methods like Angela backlinks do work. If you want to run an operation that takes advantage of others to get ahead that's you're choice. Might as well run out and get scrapbox and piss off all of the blog owners as well.

What this SEO company is doing for you may not work as quickly but they aren't (at least it doesn't appear that way) using questionable fast-track methods.

Their obsession with page rank is what concerns me the most. Yeah, it's cool n' all but it doesn't play much of a role in SE ranking.

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Mike Grant 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

Very very small nugget of truth to this however I doubt you are out getting backlinks from known malware sites.

Sites that link to you cannot hurt you.
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tferraro11

14 years ago

JasonMorgan pretty much said it all. One thing I strongly agree with is that SEO campaigns can take 6 months or longer. It sounds like they are giving you links that are going to stick long term. The links you are using may be good to use when you need it, however most of those links wont stick.

I understand your frustration, but I dont know if I would be SEOing your own site when you are paying someone to do it. It may cause a future problem with your site.

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mllnsgrl

14 years ago

Guys,

So tell me what does STICK? What's the best backlinking method, if this is what you're referring to? (just articles/squidoo lenses?)Liz

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mikeloi 14 years ago

thanks for the replies.

Jumped from what to what? 120 to 110? Is that a stable permanent jump in rankings or just a temp thing? You could drop 50 spots next week. What is your idea of competitive?

from 35 to 22 for a very competitive term. 61,000,000 results and 12 dollars a click

Write this down and remember it. Tattoo this to your significant others forehead so you don't forget it.

ive been with them for a yr now and i am no longer moving up. im a very well established site - pr 4, domain is 5yrs old. I sell software with a substantial client base. I would like to get in the top 3 for very competitive keywords. I presently rank 6th, 17th, and 22 for the keywords i am targeting.what do you propose?
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tferraro11

14 years ago

It sounds like you lost trust in your SEO team.. If that is so, move on. It sounds like your website is very well established. Good Work!

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mikeloi

14 years ago

thanks.but where do I go from here? I clearly shouldn't stick with them if they aren't producing or should I give them another 6 months? I started the campaign in the beginning of oct 09. I understand seo takes time.

Mike

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tferraro11

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mikeloi

I guess I would talk to your SEO team and find out what their goals are first. It sounds like they know your not satisfied maybe they will spend some more time on your site.

Also, I dont know what your keywords are so its tough for me to say if you should be ranked by now.

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jasonmorgan 14 years ago

from 35 to 22 for a very competitive term. 61,000,000 results and 12 dollars a click
I presently rank 6th, 17th, and 22 for the keywords i am targeting

Just to get the facts clear. On your own, with the use of Angela's backlinks you moved up from 35 to 22.

After this you hired the SEO company and after a year you are now ranking... 6th, 17th or 22nd for that keyword?

The more details you give, the easy it is to make suggestions.
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- mikeloi 14 years ago
  
  Just to get the facts clear. On your own, with the use of Angela's backlinks you moved up from 35 to 22.
  
  correct.
  
  After this you hired the SEO company and after a year you are now ranking... 6th, 17th or 22nd for that keyword?
  
  no. I hired the seo company in oct 09 and they have been working since then. A few days ago I used the backlink service to achieve the 35 to 22 increase. I read a thread where a seo pro said this does work for well established sites with a strong foundation.
  
  I am ranking 6th, 17th, and 22 for very competitive search terms. My goal is to break in the top 3.
  
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tferraro11 14 years ago

It still sounds like you lost trust in your SEO team. Ever thought about SEOing your website yourself and try to implement your own strategy? If your keywords start to drop with your strategy then you can hire a different SEO company.
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- mikeloi 14 years ago
  
  that is what i was thinking but I just don't know if I know enough. The alternative is to hire a pro who can get me to the top 3.
  
  Mike
  
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  tferraro11 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by mikeloi
  
  that is what i was thinking but I just don't know if I know enough. The alternative is to hire a pro who can get me to the top 3.
  
  Mike
  
  You dont know, if you dont try. Have some fun with it. If you find you dont have the time or knowledge then you know.
  
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pianochris 14 years ago

Try and learn good SEO technique and do it yourself. It'll take time but it can save you money and worry.
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madzseo 14 years ago

I would probably leave the SEO to the company you hired. I would guess you are paying them a considerable amount of money per month so let them do their job and if month after month you are not satisfied with the results you may want to look for another company or do the seo yourself. But for now let them do their job so that you can really see the results of what you are paying for.

If you are not satisfied let them know about it - ask them what they are doing, and what kind of results you can expect in the next month (or the next couple of months). Ask them how you can help. There are some SEO companies who might even give you free months if you're not getting the results they promised.

But if they have gotten you this type of results:

"I am ranking 6th, 17th, and 22 for very competitive search terms. My goal is to break in the top 3."

maybe they're not doing such a bad job after all.

Hmmmm...could it be that it's not the backlinks that got you those rankings but the seo company?

There's been a lot of debate about whether google bots are intelligent enough to distinguish between spam links or not but in any case it is better if you focus your efforts on actually reaching your target audience.

Instead of creating spam profiles on other websites (not a lot of them stick anyway...I did 100 profiles a few months ago and until now all I see is a backlink from naymz..just 1 out of 100 profile backlinks!) why not use that time and actually promote your site. Go to different forums, twitter, facebook etc and start interacting with potential customers and/or partners - not just posting random "buy now <insert link here>" posts but actually providing something that would be valuable to potential customers.

Also, as they say don't put all your eggs in one basket - SEO is good to get you free traffic but what if you suddenly lose your rankings..will you just cry and give up on your business? It's best to get traffic from different sources - Google, Yahoo, Bing, PPC, forums, directories etc - that is why you still read about article marketing, social bookmarking and twitter and all those other stuff.
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PinkSassyRN 14 years ago

You can't actually reach your goal if you don't have enough trust on your team mates. Talk to them personally, tell them how you feel. Sometimes you have to trust your team in order for things to work out the way you want it to be. But one thing is so sure, SEO doesn't provide you results overnight so you should give them a chance, I am sure they are doing their part. If you think you are not satisfied, you can just terminate the project and move on to other SEO company.
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SVLABS 14 years ago

I have to say that jasonmorgan pointed out all of the deficiencies with your SEO company. If I was paying and received that email, someone would get slapped.

If you've lost faith in your SEO company, I'd say it's for good reason. The mere fact that they are suggesting that your toolbar pagerank is an issue for them in controlling the stability and improvement of your results should have told you everything you need to know about them.

option 1: Move on and get a legitimate SEO.
option 2: Do it yourself.
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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

no. I hired the seo company in oct 09 and they have been working since then. A few days ago I used the backlink service to achieve the 35 to 22 increase. I read a thread where a seo pro said this does work for well established sites with a strong foundation.

Ok, so you've been with them for almost a year and they have achieved some moderate success but haven't been able to get your site over the first page hump.

You did a little SEO backlink work on your own and saw a nice little jump.

For a lot of competitive keywords it can be fairly easy to get up into the top 30ish area but then you hit a brick wall where the real competition begins. Not knowing your keywords, it tough to say how difficult it's going to be to keep moving forward, and each step up the SE ladder is going to become more and more difficult.

It difficult to say if it's the SEO company who are under-performing or if it's a keyword that might be too much for them (or any SEO company) to handle.

I think it might be time to explore other options or companies. If things don't work out or go backwards you can always rehire that company.

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Mike Grant 14 years ago

Those "seo" guys are clueless. There is so much wrong in that reply.
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mikeloi 14 years ago

Anyone have any suggestions for a seo company on a limited budget - 500/mo?

Mike
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- SVLABS 14 years ago
  
  I'm saying this with as much courtesy and respect that I can, but with that budget, you'll get what you pay for.
  
  Why not invest that budget into your own education?
  
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  tferraro11 14 years ago
  
  [QUOTE=SVLABS;2176101]I'm saying this with as much courtesy and respect that I can, but with that budget, you'll get what you pay for.
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  I dont agree. The price all depends on the size of the project.
  
  Mikeloi, PM me and I would be happy to have a chat with you and take a look at your project. This may be dooable for that price. PM me or click on my sig for email and contact information.
  
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Jayson L 14 years ago

Here is my two pennies to jason morgan. You spend 90% of your time bashing people then try to help them. Work on the approach. I think you have something to give back to people, but you seem to have become, or have always been so negative. Try to give advice in a positive way and this forum will benefit big time from it. Becoming an authority doesn't mean being rude to everyone. Just saying..... Not to stop you from providing advice, but I would struggle to buy anything from you the way you make everyone feel so inferior.
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tferraro11 14 years ago

Lets see how big your project is and maybe we can work out something where I can coach you and we work on your project togeather. Call it a Warrior Special ...

Once you catch on you can go on your own.

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