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14 years ago

Originally Posted by JFVJ

Hi all,

This is my first time using SEO to rank high on Google. Since i am kinda newbie at this there is something that i would like to know.

My website is 5 weeks old. Since then i got about 430 backlinks. Most of them are from High PR forum profile links, and from article directories. Got also a few Homepages PR4.

I used Seo SplyGlass to inspect my top competitor for a certain keyword. It showed me arround 800 backlinks, where only about 30 of them had PR1+. Most of them were either PR1, PR0 or unranked.

That said, my website is not ranking in the Top100 sites on Google yet. Is this normal? I mean, when comparing my backlinks with my number 1 competitor, i am not that far from him, and still not in the top100.

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Fabio

There are too many unknowns in this equation. For example, you need to filter out all the nofollow links (they are just noise). Chances are your competitor's rankings are janging on maybe 2-3 good links, or in some cases just 1. Not all links are made equal. SEOs are distinguished by the power of the links they can provide. And yes, new sites behave a bit differently from established sites, and yours is in just that age group. You may see some movement up and down the SERPs before you stabilize.

By the way, I don't use SEO spyglass so I can't vouch for its accuracy. The most complete/accurate info on links that you can get would come for Yahoo Site Explorer with some good SEO plugin like SEOquake.

But in a word, get yourself some power links!

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paulgl 14 years ago

Originally Posted by PhilipSEO

But in a word, get yourself some power links!

There it is!

Originally Posted by Simonrichardstugo

...actually I got same last time & I was very confused coz I have done everything.

Many are under the false assumption that if they do "everything" on some list, google
just has to put them #1.

Originally Posted by JFVJ

when comparing my backlinks with my number 1 competitor, i am not that far from him, and still not in the top100.

Because you assume there some magical number of backlinks that should take you to #1.
You are forgetting, like PhilipSEO said, that it's not that simple. You have no idea what
kind of solid, hard work the current #1 has done over time and created a love affair
with google.

Paul
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- PhilipSEO 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulgl
  
  You have no idea what kind of solid, hard work the current #1 has done over time and created a love affair with google
  
  Exactly! There's almost always a way to beat them though, and possibly even a way to beat them quickly, it's just a question of resources.
  
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AndyBlackSEO

14 years ago

Also, you have not mentioned anything about content. How does your content compare to theirs. Backlinks are vital, but content is equally important and without it you can only dream of high rankings.

If you're content is good and you're adding to it when you can... and if your onpage factors are good then you're on your way towards the top. It just takes patience and consistancy. The number 1 spot wasn't built in a day.

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PhilipSEO

14 years ago

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

Also, you have not mentioned anything about content. How does your content compare to theirs. Backlinks are vital, but content is equally important and without it you can only dream of high rankings.

No offense, this is incorrect. The importance of content for rankings is very minor compared to backlinks. On the Web, you are what your backlinks say you are. For SEO, content is important mostly in so far as it can bring more as is can bring more links: even having your keywords on the page is not essential.

If you're content is good and you're adding to it when you can... and if your onpage factors are good then you're on your way towards the top. It just takes patience and consistancy. The number 1 spot wasn't built in a day.

Again, this is incorrect. Everything "on-page" is only a minor ranking factor compared to backlinks. Backlinks are the only indefinitely scalable aspect of SEO. Any flaw in on-page SEO can be compensated by easily by just getting more links.

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Aira Bongco

14 years ago

Another thing you should consider are your keywords. Are you targeting them by providing backlinks with the right anchor text? Does everything appear natural by mixing it up with other anchor texts?

Another thing you should note is the domain age of the competitor and the quality of the links that he is getting. Also, have you taken a look at your other competitors aside from the one ranking in #1? Sometimes, authority sites can get away with just a few links.

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PhilipSEO 14 years ago

Originally Posted by airabongco

Another thing you should note is the domain age of the competitor

BS. Domain age is not a Google ranking factor. Older domains tend to rank more highly because they tend to have more links. Watch this video (from the horse's mouth):

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HorseStall

14 years ago

It may take a while to rank well for a new site. Be patient and keep gradually building quality relevant backlinks.

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PhilipSEO 14 years ago

Originally Posted by HorseStall

It may take a while to rank well for a new site. Be patient and keep gradually building quality relevant backlinks.

Please save your banalities and don't contribute if you have nothing to add. This is not DigitalPoint.
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RobertZuma

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HorseStall

It may take a while to rank well for a new site. Be patient and keep gradually building quality relevant backlinks.

I think is pretty good advice. Also, make sure your on-page is up to snuff and that your keywords are in your URL somewhere.

SEs don't always index links from article directories, forums, etc so you may not have as many backlinks as you think (as far as the SEs are concerned).

As for content, it's important to have some body that is relevent to the keyword you are targeting, but quality content is most important because this is what people will organically link to and this is what you want. Also check the anchor text of your backlinks, it is best to have (some of) your keywords in the anchor text of links pointing back to your site.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JFVJ

Hi all,

This is my first time using SEO to rank high on Google. Since i am kinda newbie at this there is something that i would like to know.

My website is 5 weeks old. Since then i got about 430 backlinks. Most of them are from High PR forum profile links, and from article directories. Got also a few Homepages PR4.

I used Seo SplyGlass to inspect my top competitor for a certain keyword. It showed me arround 800 backlinks, where only about 30 of them had PR1+. Most of them were either PR1, PR0 or unranked.

That said, my website is not ranking in the Top100 sites on Google yet. Is this normal? I mean, when comparing my backlinks with my number 1 competitor, i am not that far from him, and still not in the top100.

Thanks everyone,
Fabio

Lets examine this situation. You've got a domain that's been live for only 5 weeks. I'm curious to know how/why you concluded that you could come in and launch a new domain and instantly take over trusted sites?

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

Also, you have not mentioned anything about content. How does your content compare to theirs. Backlinks are vital, but content is equally important and without it you can only dream of high rankings.

If you're content is good and you're adding to it when you can... and if your onpage factors are good then you're on your way towards the top. It just takes patience and consistancy. The number 1 spot wasn't built in a day.

You can have a site with mediocre content and still outrank your competitors when you know SEO!

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JFVJ

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Lets examine this situation. You've got a domain that's been live for only 5 weeks. I'm curious to know how/why you concluded that you could come in and launch a new domain and instantly take over trusted sites?

I have never said that i wanted to beat them already. Just saying that since my stats are not that far from my main competitor i would expect to be in the top100 sites for that keyword. My main problem that i am trying to explain since my first post is that i can´t see my rank in Google. (Even if it is a very bad one). I mean, i tryed Rank Checker from SEO Book and Rank Tracker from PowerSuite and got no ranks at all. I am not experienced in SEO but i think that is not normal.

Many people also talked about getting High PRs backlinks. My few PR2+ come from friends websites and 1 or 2 blogs. Can anyone pleasae tell if there is a cheap/free way to get PR0+.

Thanks everyone,
Fabio

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JFVJ

I have never said that i wanted to beat them already. Just saying that since my stats are not that far from my main competitor i would expect to be in the top100 sites for that keyword...

Fabio, Fabio, hold your horses buddy; it's time for a reality check!

If you are engaging in IM, you ARE out to beat your competition. If not, get out the game. That has to be your mindset every time you boot up your computer and start pecking at your keyboard.

That's why you use tools such as SEO SpyGlass, because you do WANT to beat them! That's why you joined the WARRIOR Forum because you DO want to beat them. That's why YOU started this thread because YOU do want to beat them. Right? Right!

Your issues are...

(a). Finding the strategies to accomplishing that objective
(b). Learning Off Page SEO
(c). Learning On Page SEO

You're off to a good start, now it's time to amp up your game. Here's what I would do...

(1). Join the War Room!
Once in, you'll find a ton of high profile back linking sources that would cost you some major money. One in particular you need to jump was provided by jonathanleger. The thread is entitled: 244 places to get free links to your site. You'll get some high profile BLs with that one for sure!

There is also another high PR BL list by Musa_Aykac, the thread is entitled: FREE High PR Links for WAR Room Members.. Lots of PR7 PR6 PR5 and PR4's

Moreover, inside the War Room, there are more high profile BL sources than you can shake a stick at so go for it. And not just BLs, you'll find help on honing your game and becoming a top tier IMer.

(2). Grab the digiXMAS Directory Submitter
This tool will help you get directory listing BLs. This is the same tool sites use when they claim they will manually submit your site to hundreds of directories. The software is free and you can submit to around 150 directories with low PR without paying anything. To get access to the higher PR directories, you'll have to purchase credits but it's worth it! One site is $15.00 and you get access to all of the high PR directories. They have other packages if you have more than one site.

Here's the site: digiXMAS SEO Tools

Here are my caveats;

Since your site is relatively new, don't go buck wild crazy building backlinks but do be aggressive.
Mix up your backlinks with numerous sources, (i.e., Article marketing, profiles, forum sigs, web directories, social bookmarking, Web 2.0, etc.)
Do include a small percentage of "No Follow" links so that your linking looks natural.
Take the time to learn Off Page SEO and On Page SEO. Master this and you will become the MAN!

PS. If you want a step by step guide on Off Page SEO, get Kok Choon's guide called the "Nuclear Traffic Maximizer." Kok is a WF member and is a master at Off Page SEO.

Having shared all of that, because your site is new, just keep working on your SEO, both On Page and Off Page and once you pass the Google trust test, you'll beat out your competition!

To your success,

Giles, the Crew Chief

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JFVJ 14 years ago

Giles, thank you very much for sharing all this. To tell the truth i never though that the warrior room was so good.. but from what you are saying, it seems amazing. Also thanks for the software you said. I will look into it.

To everyone, thank you very much. You were great help.

Fabio
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thomarv29 14 years ago

High quality backlinks are by far the most important aspect of SEO. One thing that could be hurting you as well is your URL structures. Your URL's should be static and if they are dynamic you should use a Mod Rewrite to change them to static URL's. URL's with &,? and = symbols are harder to get indexed. The URL should also contain the category, and typically the title of the software you are selling as the keywords you use in your URL structure. Seperate the keywords with underscores or /. One trick i use is creating thousands of unique keyword pages all dedicated to one specific keyword string. On each prodcut page the page title, H1 Headers, Image Alt Tags, Keywords, Meta-Tags and page content are all dedicated to only one keyword string. The content on the page comes from the CSV file or XML Feed my product info comes from. (i dont use content spinners to generate page content) What im getting at is that having the most laser focused content and SEO Structure will put you well ahead of your competiton regarding content and how relevant your pages are to the search querys people use to find your product. Content and High Quality backlinks are the quickest way to the top of the list. I have a site ranked on 81,000 keywords using this strategy so i know it works and can prove it to anyone who says otherwise. Its also listed 4 times in the search results becasue each page has a PDF FIle tagged with the keyword string and i include shopping comparison links tagged with the keyword as well. I have google searches you can preform to see how this is accomplished as well. Anyway hope this helps. Thanks
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JFVJ

14 years ago

Thakns so much everyone for replying. I guess some of thing were not clear on my first post: i am targeting 3 keywords and i always use anchor text. I also mix them so it looks more natural. For my main keyword i have about 430 backlinks as i said before. About 95% of this links are DoFollow.

The site has no articles or things like that because is mostly a e-commerce kinda site. The no1 site is also similar to mine.

I know that is hard to get one 1st page on Google and even harder on no.1. But since most of my on page factores are not bad(keyword on link, H1 tag with keyword, meta tags), and i have a considerable amount of backlinks when compared to the number1 for the keyword, i was suprised that i was not on the top100. I am not asking to be on page 1, nothing like that, is just from the comparations i think the site should be ranked a little better(in fact i don´t even know which rank i am from the keyword, because the software i use only checks the top 100 sites for a keyword). Also rank checker from SEO Book does not give me a rank, only a dash.

I am know wondering if Google kinda forgot my website.

Again, Thanks everyone
Fabio

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webdelux

14 years ago

I agree too many unknowns. What you can do is what is called competative analysis. Look at the top sites. Look at their code. Specifically the meta and title. What factors are google using now to determine the SERP's? No one knows the exact algorithm lets face it. So the only thing you can do is look for consistancy amongst the top 10 current sites. This will give you apeak into what Google is looking for. Use averages and denity totals to find clues. I wrote an article about this here: (thegorillaadagency.com/blog/keyword-density-how-to/). Hope that helps bro!

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Groovystar

14 years ago

I second that, Thomarv. I'm still "at war" with a competitor of mine that has one amazingly good backlink {Front page of wetpaint} and rides on that mostly. Sad part is that they don't even get most of their visitors from search engines at all, but straight from wetpaint! Lol. But that one really good link got them a rank of 6.

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thomarv29

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Groovystar

I second that, Thomarv. I'm still "at war" with a competitor of mine that has one amazingly good backlink {Front page of wetpaint} and rides on that mostly. Sad part is that they don't even get most of their visitors from search engines at all, but straight from wetpaint! Lol. But that one really good link got them a rank of 6.

Just goes to show you the importance of great links lol

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Groovystar

14 years ago

Yup there is no substitute for them.

And keyword anchor text too. That matters more than anything you actually do on your own site. If you don't believe me, google the words "click here" then see what comes up first. Then go look on that page for the words "click here." You won't find it at all, it's not there.

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thomarv29

14 years ago

Backlinks need to be relevant and higher in PR before they will get you ranked. Good Luck man.

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sousen

14 years ago

Yes, It's Normal You do not get rank till becouse your site is preety new it's take time to get rank on Google and some time Google take time to count your back link

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