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1st page of Google...and...nothing.

by CatherineMay
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Well, folks, here I am on the first page of Google in the #5 position.

According to Google's keyword tool, my keyword gets 2400 exact searches per month. That's about 80 per day. I know a lot of marketers aim for higher searches, but some people say you can start off in the lower ranges and have some results.

There's nothing wrong with my description, etc. It's as interesting as any of the others, or more so, in my opinion. And I have an org. extension. The site itself is probably amateurish...I'm still learning....and if people clicked on my site and didn't want to stay, okay. I could understand.

But where is everybody? Shouldn't I there be more than 1 or 2 people a day who AT LEAST click on my site??? Like maybe...10 or so?


Catherine
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Hi Catherine

    Not knowing your keyword of course make the following comments pure speculation. But if there are 80 searches a day and you are getting 2 visitors then you have an attraction rate of 2.5 percent. And I don't think thats unreasonable, especially if you are in position number 5.

    Do any of your competitors (i.e. numbers 4 and higher) have enough traffic to warrant an Alexa rating? That might give you an idea of how much traffic you can expect.

    All the best

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  • Profile picture of the author digiwebtools
    Google keywords tool doesn't seem to be correct.
    My site is in #7 position for keywords with more than 100 000 search per month, but my site hardly gets 10 visitors daily from Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Actually, in my experience, that seems about right.

    I've found with low searches like that you HAVE to get to #1 to see any decent traffic. Especially if the sites above you are more compelling, or if your targetting a product if there are shopping pages or photos above you those will suck in all the traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    One thing you can do is make sure your h1 tags and meta description are eye grabbing and get the attention away from the websites that rank above you.
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    Catherine,

    Unfortunately the Google keyword tool is often times extremely inaccurate, even when doing exact matches. It really is frustrating, because I have had this happen to me before as well.

    What I like to do is see if any ezinearticles/goarticles/articlesbase articles are on page #1, and then scroll down to see how many views that article has accumulated. Based on how old the article is, and how many views it has you can get a rough estimate of how many visitors to expect on a monthly basis (just do the math).

    This is far from an exact science, but it does give you a rough idea as to whether or not the term you are targeting really gets a lot of search volume.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Cash Rebel
      If it is relatively low search volume, Google is not super accurate. Also, if it is low volume, a #5 ranking will not pull a whole lot of visitors. I have experience very similar numbers.

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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
      The comments so far have been helpful, thanks. Although I don't wish frustration on anyone else, it helps to know that others have experienced the same thing.

      This is a jewelry site, but there are no photos above me. I knew I was picking kind of an obscure item of jewelry, but that was the point. I wanted to test out what I've learned with something without big competition. I checked the page rank, etc., of the sites on page one, without Market Samuri, before I bought the (exact match) domain. I thought I had something here that I could make a little bit of money with.

      The first two places on page 1 are shopping malls with an Alexa ranking of 135,800 or something close. #3 has ranking of 14,778. #4 has 559. Then there's me with no ranking at all. Right below me #6 has a ranking of 242.

      There are no Ezine articles on page #1, although there is a hub page and a squidoo. My own hub for this keyword is in position #11, and has an Alexa ranking of 242 or something like that.

      So what does this mean that my hub has a ranking (even if its a low one) and my site has nothing? Is this just the authority of Hubpages? Because I really don't get traffic on that hub, either.

      Catherine
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Catherine, you also want to make sure your meta description content is compelling. Google will use that for the description of your site in most cases. If the text isn't inviting to the searcher, he or she may not be tempted to click through to your site.

    A lot of page descriptions really suck. Too much hype, not enough information, no call to action . . . treat that text like it's the most important thing on your page when you write it, but it alone can make the difference between someone clicking your link or going to the next one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan D
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    This is why it's always a good idea test with PPC prior to putting much effort into optimizing for a given term. You can see the volume you can expect, plus have an idea for which headlines and copy you put into your Title Tag and Meta-Description.
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  • Profile picture of the author netmomof2
    Anyone know of a good keyword search tool other than googles?

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Irnes Jakupovic
    Let's look at this mathematically. So you have 2,400 searches per month and if you break that down into 30 days that comes out to be 80 people a day like you said.

    So now that we know there is 80 people a day just typing it in we need to factor in the fact that there is 10 search spots and for the sake of simplicity lets assume they all have a equal chance of a click through.

    Spot 1- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 2- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 3- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 4- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 5- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 6- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 7- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 8- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 9- 10% chance of clicking
    Spot 10- 10% chance of clicking

    10 spots x 10% = 100% of all clicks

    Now of those 80 people a day that type that in, only 8 are likely to actually click on your website.

    I recognize that this math is really basic and I am not taking into account the fact that some people click on multiple search results and such BUT even though its basic it usually does give you a good number of your daily traffic.

    Here are the REAL statistics Catherine:

    Number 1 receives 42.1%
    Number 2 receives 11.9%
    Number 3 receives 8.5%
    Number 4 receives 6.1%
    Number 5 receives 4.9%
    Number 6 receives 4.1%
    Number 7 receives 3.4%
    Number 8 receives 3.0%
    Number 9 receives 2.8%
    Number 10 receives 3.0%


    Being at rank 5 for a keyword that brings in 80 searches a day only gives you 4 visitors. So what your experiencing is about right. I hope I made sense and keep building those links till your #1 .
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by Irnes Jakupovic View Post

      Here are the REAL statistics Catherine:

      Number 1 receives 42.1%
      Number 2 receives 11.9%
      Number 3 receives 8.5%
      Number 4 receives 6.1%
      Number 5 receives 4.9%
      Number 6 receives 4.1%
      Number 7 receives 3.4%
      Number 8 receives 3.0%
      Number 9 receives 2.8%
      Number 10 receives 3.0%


      Being at rank 5 for a keyword that brings in 80 searches a day only gives you 4 visitors. So what your experiencing is about right. I hope I made sense and keep building those links till your #1 .
      That sound correct.

      I rank #5 for a keyword that supposed to get 1,300 searches per month.

      Based on the above 'formula', I only get:

      (1,300 visitors / 30 days) * 4.9% = 2 visitors per day.

      Yes, my Google Analytics shows me that I'm only getting 3-5 visitors per day.
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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
      Originally Posted by Irnes Jakupovic View Post

      Let's look at this mathematically. So you have 2,400 searches per month and if you break that down into 30 days that comes out to be 80 people a day like you said.

      So now that we know there is 80 people a day just typing it in we need to factor in the fact that there is 10 search spots and for the sake of simplicity lets assume they all have a equal chance of a click through.

      Spot 1- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 2- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 3- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 4- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 5- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 6- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 7- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 8- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 9- 10% chance of clicking
      Spot 10- 10% chance of clicking

      10 spots x 10% = 100% of all clicks

      Now of those 80 people a day that type that in, only 8 are likely to actually click on your website.

      I recognize that this math is really basic and I am not taking into account the fact that some people click on multiple search results and such BUT even though its basic it usually does give you a good number of your daily traffic.

      Here are the REAL statistics Catherine:

      Number 1 receives 42.1%
      Number 2 receives 11.9%
      Number 3 receives 8.5%
      Number 4 receives 6.1%
      Number 5 receives 4.9%
      Number 6 receives 4.1%
      Number 7 receives 3.4%
      Number 8 receives 3.0%
      Number 9 receives 2.8%
      Number 10 receives 3.0%


      Being at rank 5 for a keyword that brings in 80 searches a day only gives you 4 visitors. So what your experiencing is about right. I hope I made sense and keep building those links till your #1 .

      Thanks so much for this info. I really had no idea that this is the way it is.

      I know what to aim for now...#1!


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      • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
        Originally Posted by Ryan D View Post

        This is why it's always a good idea test with PPC prior to putting much effort into optimizing for a given term. You can see the volume you can expect, plus have an idea for which headlines and copy you put into your Title Tag and Meta-Description.
        I agree with ryan. ppc is a great way to see:

        1) real traffic numbers for searches (it only takes 1 day for this)
        2) what kw's are even worth ranking for (ie, ones that convert)
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  • Profile picture of the author ADAMw3
    Give it a couple days.

    First thing you have to understand is that Google's keyword tool isn't always right.

    Secondly, What Irnes Jakupovic is exactly right.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Wish I could help. I just took my gloves off this morning and "THREW" them at Google. They still have not approved my ads after 6 days. Another thread, and topic for that though. Grrr... Hang in there and listen to those here that know ORGANIC searches well. :-)

    Stay Golden,

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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
      Originally Posted by mrwilson View Post

      Moral of the story is that you need to get to position 1 and 2 to get good traffic for lower searched terms. Things really drop off otherwise.

      Cheers,

      Rhett
      Okay, so what kind of exact search volume is needed to move out of the "lower searched terms" category?

      5,000, 10,000?


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  • Profile picture of the author cheyingtan
    Google keywords tool is not accurate some times. I suggest you double check the result with seobook tool. As it show the result from Wordtracker, Google, Yahoo & Bing rather that relying on one source.

    I experience before where Google keywords tool show me there is 10,000 exact match searches per month while i put in the seobook tool, it show only 5-10 searches.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by cheyingtan View Post

      Google keywords tool is not accurate some times. I suggest you double check the result with seobook tool. As it show the result from Wordtracker, Google, Yahoo & Bing rather that relying on one source.

      I experience before where Google keywords tool show me there is 10,000 exact match searches per month while i put in the seobook tool, it show only 5-10 searches.
      seobook uses a simple formula to caluclate the different search engines, based on what percentage of the market each has. So if bing has 10% of the search traffic, it takes wordtrackers numbers and assumes 10% are bing.

      And wordtracker only get's their data from dogpile and metacrawler, so they also use some formulas to estimate total search volume. Those meta search engines represent under 1% of total search, so at it's core they can simply multiply the dogpile/metacrawler numbers by 100 to get an estimate of total search volume (obviously they do a bit more, but that's the essence of it).

      the only tool I sort-of trust is googles, as it's closest to the source.. but in all fairness, I have not compared wordtrackers numbers with actual adwords ad impressions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shrinivas
    Hi,

    This has happened with me a couple of times. Go check you keyword in the "free wordtracker Tool". I'm sure it will show 2-3 searches per day.
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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
      Originally Posted by Shrinivas View Post

      Hi,

      This has happened with me a couple of times. Go check you keyword in the "free wordtracker Tool". I'm sure it will show 2-3 searches per day.
      Actually, the free wordtracker tool shows 12 seaches per day.


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      • Profile picture of the author HigherPrThanGod
        Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

        Actually, the free wordtracker tool shows 12 seaches per day.


        Catherine
        I use Micro Niche Finder, personally. Perhaps your site is in it's spot on Google.com but not google.fr and/or the other international google flavors? Thereby making you see a tiny bit of hits.

        If you're not in the U.S., same question, just in reverse.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricky Parker
    Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

    Well, folks, here I am on the first page of Google in the #5 position.

    According to Google's keyword tool, my keyword gets 2400 exact searches per month. That's about 80 per day. I know a lot of marketers aim for higher searches, but some people say you can start off in the lower ranges and have some results.

    There's nothing wrong with my description, etc. It's as interesting as any of the others, or more so, in my opinion. And I have an org. extension. The site itself is probably amateurish...I'm still learning....and if people clicked on my site and didn't want to stay, okay. I could understand.

    But where is everybody? Shouldn't I there be more than 1 or 2 people a day who AT LEAST click on my site??? Like maybe...10 or so?


    Catherine
    have you tried emailing Google directly? Sometimes they can help give you advice on what things you may need to do to rank better.

    I think they have a direct seo line too that is toll free and the reps will walk you thru the process of ranking for whatever keyword you want.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by Ricky Parker View Post

      have you tried emailing Google directly? Sometimes they can help give you advice on what things you may need to do to rank better.

      I think they have a direct seo line too that is toll free and the reps will walk you thru the process of ranking for whatever keyword you want.
      That is some wishful thinking right there. I'm almost 100% that Google doesn't have a direct seo line. Where did you hear that? They'd be paying customer service reps out the ass to answer those phone calls. There would be way way too many people calling.

      You can't even get a rep from Google if you're adsense account was banned in most cases. They recognize that there is a more efficient and cost effective way to do that. They send people to their forum.

      To the OP. Get to #1 and I bet you you'll get at least half of what traffic you're expecting. If not more. #5 is good, and it's a good indicator that what you've been doing has been working. Just keep on working until you can get up to #1. #2 or #3 will do you justice as well. The top 3 are in most cases the only thing people see after completing a search query. Especially if their are any physical products involved because Google has been placing their products usually right after #2 or #3 in my experience.

      It sucks, to hit the first page only to not realize your dreams of getting all that traffic. The good thing is, you're very close to getting a lot of that traffic. Just keep on working!
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      • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
        Jacob, thanks for the encouragement. I am taking some solace in the fact that a newbie like me did get to page #1.

        And how did I do it? Basically by following free information right here on this forum.

        Now, I just have to work harder...which I intend to do.


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  • Profile picture of the author bakerious
    I was checking the rankings on all my sites in MS the other day, and one of my newer sites was showing up in the #1 position in Google for the exact match of the domain name.

    I was all like, oh, baby, #1 in Google, time to shopping for a wheelbarrow to cart all that money off in.

    Then I checked the global monthly searches for the broad match keyword phrase the site was ranking for.

    < 10. Yep, less than ten searches per month, but I am DOMINATING that niche!
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    leaked research shows that position 1 gets nearly half of the clicks on page 1. By the time you get to 5 you are down below 10% of the total clicks, so with that and bounce from your site, you will be getting very little traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author callstar
    I have a site that ranks #14 for a term that gets 40,000 searches per month. I get about 200 - 300. It's a high paying niche so I'm happy and my site is on it's way up, will be interesting to see what happens when I get to the first page for this term.
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