How is my site doing so well??

14 years ago

Usually when you optimize a site correctly having it show up where yours is right now isn't uncommon. The reason is because most sites after page 4 (sometimes even after page 2-3) aren't optimized for your keyword which lets you slide past them quickly.

Once you climb to the 3rd and 2nd pages you'll start seeing more resistance and it'll be more challenging to get to the first page.

One other thing to note - be careful if you're googling your keywords and clicking on your website in the results often; this can lead to your website raising in position (only for you) based on your website preferences and cookies.

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InternetMarketingIQ

14 years ago

Google likes to reward new and current... put it in the "mix" then let it fall into place.

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Dove L

14 years ago

Good content + Good Seo = Win

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paulgl

14 years ago

You don't have 3,000,000 competitors. Completely useless
to look at the overall sites found as your competition.

For overly competitive niches, page 8 is not bad, but may
take a whole lot of effort. What you failed to list is how much
hard work you put into making the site decent for your visitors.
All you've said is just a laundry list of stuff.

For small competitive niches, page 8 means you are not optimized
for what you think you are. After the first 2 or 3 pages, the
results are pretty skimpy.

2 word searches are a thing of the past. Most are now in the 4-6
word range.

You need to stop thinking SERP and start thinking making a valuable
website that will attract visitors, not search engines. As stated,
nothing in your method shows any regard for this.

Maybe I did not read the post right. Are you really on page 8 and
think that's great?

I had a #1 site on yahoo with 5 backlinks. It has since slid to #10.
Edit:
(...just checked yahoo. Now it has 6 links.)
(...just checked yahoo. Back up to #7.)

You are trying to hard to follow a search engine formula, but are
forgetting a whole host of things that send a site to the top.

Paul

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Neodism

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dove L

Good content + Good Seo = Win

My site is nothing but an affiliate marketing site.
Sooo. My site = NO GOOD content.

So I shouldn't win.

Originally Posted by paulgl

You don't have 3,000,000 competitors. Completely useless
to look at the overall sites found as your competition.

For overly competitive niches, page 8 is not bad, but may
take a whole lot of effort. What you failed to list is how much
hard work you put into making the site decent for your visitors.
All you've said is just a laundry list of stuff.

For small competitive niches, page 8 means you are not optimized
for what you think you are. After the first 2 or 3 pages, the
results are pretty skimpy.

2 word searches are a thing of the past. Most are now in the 4-6
word range.

You need to stop thinking SERP and start thinking making a valuable
website that will attract visitors, not search engines. As stated,
nothing in your method shows any regard for this.

Maybe I did not read the post right. Are you really on page 8 and
think that's great?

I had a #1 site on yahoo with 5 backlinks. It has since slid to #10.
Edit:
(...just checked yahoo. Now it has 6 links.)
(...just checked yahoo. Back up to #7.)

You are trying to hard to follow a search engine formula, but are
forgetting a whole host of things that send a site to the top.

Paul

I didn't fail to list how much hard work I put in! The site sucks! Haha.

I'm competing for "Stretch Marks." All I did was about two weeks of backlinking. (One backlink spawned into about 300 on one site. =S) My site is just promoting a free trial of a stretch mark cream. No good or current content.

--I am new to SEO so YES. I am stoked to be on page 8.

--And also considering that I'm new, all I know is the formula.

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Neodism

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1gn1t0r

Dude that's not too bad. What keywords are you targeting ?

Stretch Marks.

I was only going for this keyword and no others at first because I figured it was a difficult niche that would take all of my time to get ranked!

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1gn1t0r

Dude that's not too bad. What keywords are you targeting ?

He's targeting -stretch marks-

Keep building links with that anchor text.......try a "blast" if you know what I mean..........

We're not allow to speak such sacrilege anymore on the WF

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

Also try "get rid of stretch marks".........it might be easier to rank higher for that phrase.

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Neodism

14 years ago

Originally Posted by FrankBowman

He's targeting -stretch marks-

Keep building links with that anchor text.......try a "blast" if you know what I mean..........

We're not allow to speak such sacrilege anymore on the WF

Originally Posted by FrankBowman

Also try "get rid of stretch marks".........it might be easier to rank higher for that phrase.

Blast? Do PM me. =3 But, really. My forum anchor text links AREN'T getting indexed and they seem to have crappy power anyways because they all are PR0 because the profile that I leave them on are PR0. So I could do blog comments, but then I share that PR2-PR5 with about 100 other people, making it not worth it. =/

I have been using Market Samurai. I found some I think I may go after that are easier than "Stretch Marks."

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Dan Weaver

14 years ago

It's worth baring in mind that Google sometimes does something called 'Personalized Search' Results... Where by it logs the sites that you've been visiting and then bumps them up in YOUR search results... So often, webmasters think their sites are ranking well, when in reality, its Google playing tricks on you! But thankfully there is a way to switch it off...

Simply, do a search and then add '&pws=0' to the end of the URL and hit 'Return'... Are the results still the same?... If they are... Great... your on to a potential winner... Good Luck!

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Neodism

14 years ago

How do I turn off the Google option that may rank a site higher in my search if I click it often?

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JamesF

14 years ago

It doesn't matter how many results there are.. it's how tough the top 10 are optimized.

You can have 5,000,000 but if the top 10 absolutely suck at SEO and no links, you will rank easily.

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jazbo

14 years ago

For any competition just look at the page one results and see if you think you can take 'em.

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Social-Media-Marketing

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Larches

I started a website about 3 weeks ago that I intended to use for affiliate marketing. I used a short tail keyword (just two words) that get a high number of searches a month. My overall competition was about 3,000,000 other sites. (Even when sizing up my competition by searching Google with quotations around my keywords it still came out to 3,000,000 results.)

So I did a bunch of backlinking for about two weeks and now my site sits at page 12. Yesterday it was all the way up to page 8. And this is out of about 3 million other sites! I optimized my site with the meta, title, alt, and body text and overall I think I made probably about 200 backlinks over the first two weeks. (Although Market Samurai shows that I only have 18, and the rest of the 300 and something are all from one site. --I have always been under the impression that a site only has one "vote" so no matter how many pages on a site you link at it only counts as one.)

I'm just wondering what is causing my site to do so well. I know page 12 isn't amazing, but it is pretty high up there for Yahoo to only find a couple indexed backlinks. What do you think?

The site is bettermefree.co.uk. (I'm working this site in the UK Google.)

Searching for a phrase in quotes and noting the number of results is a poor measure of competition. These are not all competitors. They are just URLs whose content just happens to contain the 2 word phrase you are targeting. It doesn't mean they are actually trying to rank for that phrase.

A better measure is to search for:

intitle:"my keyword phrase"
inurl:"my keyword phrase"
intitle:"my keyword phrase" inurl:"my keyword phrase"

This will show you the number of URLs in their index that have that EXACT keyword phrase in the title, in their URL, and in both the title AND URL. Note the number of results for those as they are more likely sites that are "trying" to rank for that phrase.

Page 12... even page 8... as you said are not so great. Even being on page 2 or 3 means people will VERY rarely find your listing.

If you want to get on page 1 then link building is likely going to be key, especially if the phrase is even moderately competitive.

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Neodism

14 years ago

Can anyone answer my question before? How to turn off the Google feature that they show links that I click lots higher than others?

And I said that I used quotes because it really does narrow it down to potential competitors. If they are not listed in "your search" then they are NOT competing for it, bottom line.

So to rephrase, I have 3,000,000ish potential competitors.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Larches

Can anyone answer my question before? How to turn off the Google feature that they show links that I click lots higher than others?

And I said that I used quotes because it really does narrow it down to potential competitors. If they are not listed in "your search" then they are NOT competing for it, bottom line.

So to rephrase, I have 3,000,000ish potential competitors.

Hi Larches,

I Believe Dan Weaver's post gave you a method to turn off the Personalization feature in a search. Just append &pws=0 to the querystring parameters in URL for your search:

Google

And yes using quotes around your search phrase narrows the results to pages that contain those two words "together" on the same page, but still is not an indication of number of competitors nor an indication of strength of competition. If a page does not include the keyword in the title or anchortext of inbound links, are they really competing? Just because someone wanders onto a racetrack doesn't mean they are competing, does it?

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Groovystar

14 years ago

And once you get on the 1st page, getting to the top is just murder. But, every place rank counts for a lot more the higher up you get. It is not uncommon for a site to first emerge on page 8. But it sure could've been a whole lot worse. The up side is you seem to be doing something right! The down side is that virtually no one looks at page 8. But if you only just started, you will probably see it go higher

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