Shall I submit different Versions of the same article to the different Article Directories?

14 years ago

...I'd just submit different articles if I was you. Less chance of them being penalised later. I've seen a lot of spun articles get burned.

Honestly it is not too hard to write original articles on the fly if you know the field which I assume you would. A good place to get topics on any field to jump start a fresh article is forums where people ask questions about the subject.

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scarabet

14 years ago

Thanks GroovyStar, considering your reply I assume the same text shall not be posted twice at risk of being considerate as duplicate by Google and thus penalised. What would be the penalty? Banning of the URLs featuring that text in Google search results? Banning of the whole site or blog?

I actually built my first WP blog, my plan is to post each of my blog article to EZA? That would however mean duplicate content as well. Shall I not proceed with my plan? Any help and input is appreciated.

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niffybranco

14 years ago

Originally Posted by scarabet

I actually built my first WP blog, my plan is to post each of my blog article to EZA? That would however mean duplicate content as well. Shall I not proceed with my plan? Any help and input is appreciated.

You can post your blog articles to ezine that is fine as long as you are the author ezine will accept them.

I have re-written PLR articles and ebooks and submitted to article directories and i have never been penalized.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by scarabet

Thanks GroovyStar, considering your reply I assume the same text shall not be posted twice at risk of being considerate as duplicate by Google and thus penalised. What would be the penalty? Banning of the URLs featuring that text in Google search results? Banning of the whole site or blog?

I actually built my first WP blog, my plan is to post each of my blog article to EZA? That would however mean duplicate content as well. Shall I not proceed with my plan? Any help and input is appreciated.

Hi scarabet,

According to Google there is no duplicate content penalty, it's just myth. Here is what they say about it on the official Google Blog:

Let's put this to bed once and for all, folks: There's no such thing as a "duplicate content penalty." At least, not in the way most people mean when they say that.

source: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty"

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niffybranco 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Groovystar

...I'd just submit different articles if I was you. Less chance of them being penalised later. I've seen a lot of spun articles get burned.
subject.

You keep saying this and it is wrong if you re write the articles and they are readable by humans then it will be displayed on the article directories and you will get backlink juice from them you do not have to waste your time writing a new article for each directory.

And you will not be penalized , how will google know who submitted the article? What stops me from submitting the same article to 1000 websites and including my competitors backlink ? if this were the case nobody will be doing seo all you need to di is just get the sites ranking higher than you penalized and you will be number 1.

How about websites that display RSS feeds should they all be penalized?

You can re-write the articles if you want as far as i know buzzle is the only article directory that requires unique content, the other article directories only require that the article has to be yours.
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chandan_dutta

14 years ago

And you will not be penalized , how will google know who submitted the article? What stops me from submitting the same article to 1000 websites and including my competitors backlink ? if this were the case nobody will be doing seo all you need to di is just get the sites ranking higher than you penalized and you will be number 1.

Okay, in other case if you submit same article to 1000 directories then Google will count all 1000 Backlinks? No way...

Otherwise getting backlinks and ranking sites would have become much more easier. If that is the case I would have submitted 1 article to 1000 directories and then rank each and every site with just one article.

@scarabet,

You won't be penalized if you submit the same article because duplicate content exist in same domain, not in multiple domain. But if you are thinking about ranking site, you won't be benefited from posting the same article to 1000 directories.

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niffybranco

14 years ago

Originally Posted by chandan_dutta

Okay, in other case if you submit same article to 1000 directories then Google will count all 1000 Backlinks? No way...

Otherwise getting backlinks and ranking sites would have become much more easier. If that is the case I would have submitted 1 article to 1000 directories and then rank each and every site with just one article.

@scarabet,

You won't be penalized if you submit the same article because duplicate content exist in same domain, not in multiple domain. But if you are thinking about ranking site, you won't be benefited from posting the same article to 1000 directories.

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Chandan

As long as the articles are indexed then the backlinks will count

Do a search for the exact term

"Using unique web pages to promote each separate product you are marketing"

There are 8710 results all indexed in google all duplicate content and guess what any backlinks in that 1 article present on all 8000 sites will count

so next time you make a claim make sure you can back it up with facts

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scarabet

14 years ago

I appreciate your help guys, apparently there are different opinions about the issue.

As said I wish to post the same text i have in my blog post to article directories with a backling to my blog main url. I am still confused if that's ok or not?

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Irnes Jakupovic

14 years ago

Originally Posted by scarabet

I appreciate your help guys, apparently there are different opinions about the issue.

As said I wish to post the same text i have in my blog post to article directories with a backling to my blog main url. I am still confused if that's ok or not?

Duplicate content is a 100% complete myth.

Yes, you can take the articles off your page and submit them to the directories. Just make sure you submit it to ezinearticles first though because they are stingy.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by scarabet

I appreciate your help guys, apparently there are different opinions about the issue.

As said I wish to post the same text i have in my blog post to article directories with a backling to my blog main url. I am still confused if that's ok or not?

Hi scarabet,

Yes it is okay.

While there are indeed different opinions, isn't Google's opinion the only one that matters in this context ? :confused:

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dynamicic

14 years ago

Not to add fuel to the fire but I thought Google stated that the content publisher who is indexed first becomes the original content and others indexed after that would not be penalized but counted as having the same content as the originally indexed site.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dynamicic

Not to add fuel to the fire but I thought Google stated that the content publisher who is indexed first becomes the original content and others indexed after that would not be penalized but counted as having the same content as the originally indexed site.

Hi dynamicic,

I don't believe I have heard Google make that precise claim. It seems to me that they have always been a little cagey in how they answered that question. I have heard Matt Cutts say on several occasions that the page with the highest PR is an important factor in deciding the canonical version.

Here are some pertinent links:

Duplicate content question
Video: Matt Cutts on Duplicate Content

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scarabet

14 years ago

Dynamicic, you indeed add fuel to the fire

the text on my blog post will probably be indexed first and I don't mind my EZA article (which has same text) to be considered as "duplicate" as long as the backlink to my blog from the EZA article is counted.

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lcostley

14 years ago

If I'm the author of the article, I Post or submit it whereever I want. So far no problems,

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niffybranco

14 years ago

Here is the same content indexed over and over again in google

Necessary Tools for the High Rolling Affiliate Marketer - Google Search

If there is a penalty for duplicate content how come they have indexed duplicate content ???????

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scarabet

14 years ago

You make an interesting point about this "Necessary Tools for the High Rolling Affiliate Marketer - Google Search" article. The interesting thing is that this article is published by several different people who pretend to be THE author: Terry Shadwell , Radu Prisacaru , ... Although the former seems to be the real author. Why is that? Are some people "stealing" articles?

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niffybranco

14 years ago

Originally Posted by scarabet

You make an interesting point about this "Necessary Tools for the High Rolling Affiliate Marketer - Google Search" article. The interesting thing is that this article is published by several different people who pretend to be THE author: Terry Shadwell , Radu Prisacaru , ... Although the former seems to be the real author. Why is that? Are some people "stealing" articles?

They are private label rights articles the author has given people the rights to republish them.

If you buy PLR articles you can either use them as is or rewrite them and you can use them in any way you deem fit.

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sambakker

14 years ago

I have seen many of the same article indexed for my clients etc, the value of them is debateable but I would still say submit the same article to all. You have to think that if the main news sites can copy your article and use it as news surely you can do the same with your articles posting it to a number of different sites.

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FreshPLR 14 years ago

You can submit different versions of the same article or leave it unchanged. What matters here is whether or not an article is considered new by the search engines.

In other words, do the search engines index just another copy of an existing article or do they recognise something fresh and unique?

Spinning an article attempts to achieve the second scenario above, which is why using private label rights articles helps to leverage your time in content creation.

Where you rank in the search listings will be influenced by the uniqueness of your article.

The value of private label rights for your content creation falls away dramatically the greater its availability.

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Find

14 years ago

If you are going to submit the same content and same anchor text or url within a short period of time then the chances are your website is going to be bombed and sandboxed for a year by google for spam.

Duplicate content isnt much of an issue if you use it once or twice. Its how you use it

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Find

If you are going to submit the same content and same anchor text or url within a short period of time then the chances are your website is going to be bombed and sandboxed for a year by google for spam.

Duplicate content isnt much of an issue if you use it once or twice. Its how you use it

Hi Find,

So, even though Google Engineer Matt Cutts says it creates no problem, the Official Google Blog says it's no problem and many folks do it, with great success and have no problems, you assert they are all somehow wrong? :confused:

Please tell us how you came to this contrary conclusion!

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niffybranco

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Find,

So, even though Google Engineer Matt Cutts says it creates no problem, the Official Google Blog says it's no problem and many folks do it, with great success and have no problems, you assert they are all somehow wrong? :confused:

Please tell us how you came to this contrary conclusion!

Obviously some people just read a $7 ebook written by some so called guru and they believe everything inside.

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Find

14 years ago

Originally Posted by niffybranco

Obviously some people just read a $7 ebook written by some so called guru and they believe everything inside.

LOL I guess thats how much your product cost. I might stick to dburks google search bar thats stuffed his source code up and buy his spammed and burnt out domains LOL

I guess you guys understand more about duplicate content by looking at your background as affiliates. Very understandable

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Find

LOL I guess thats how much your product cost. I might stick to dburks google search bar thats stuffed his source code up and buy his spammed and burnt out domains LOL

I guess you guys understand more about duplicate content by looking at your background as affiliates. Very understandable

You are sounding more and more like a Marxist. This is an Internet Marketing forum, not a political forum, if you have issues with capitalism you should go elsewhere and stop trolling this forum. :rolleyes:

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FreshPLR

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

You are sounding more and more like a Marxist. This is an Internet Marketing forum, not a political forum, if you have issues with capitalism you should go elsewhere and stop trolling this forum. :rolleyes:

LOL!

You've lost me.....can't see why you think Find is a marxist?

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dburk 14 years ago

Hi David,

I was hoping to avoid a political discussion, but you ask a fair question.

The entire Internet Marketing Industry is being attack by the Marxist movement in America right now. Marxists have taken control of 2 of our 3 branches of government and they are one person shy of taking over our Supreme Court, the final branch not under their complete control.

In just two years they have already nationalized 5 of the largest industries in America and now have their sights set on Bloggers and Content Syndication. Their standard modus operandi is to attack and demonize common industry practices, then call for stiff government regulation, followed by a government takeover.

Google's AdWords program is currently under siege right now buy the Marxist led regulators within the FTC who seem intent on cutting off Google's primary income vehicle. If they can succeed at this gambit they will claim Google is "too big to fail" and seize control overnight. This has been their pattern so far.

Many Americans are resisting this movement and that seems to be the impetuous to shut down Bloggers and take over all major search engines. This should give them the power to control virtually all news and information within the country.

While Find may or may not be a marxist, his is at the very least serving as a "useful idiot" on behalf of the Marxist movement.
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Vegaed1 14 years ago

Good stuff dburk! You can't get it any clearer then google directly saying it's not penalized. I have been searching all over for this answer and thank god I came across this thread!

So just to get it clear as a newbie, I plan on posting articles and I don't have a website yet but want to start marketing my affiliate's product(info marketing product) tomorrow and all I have is my affiliate link, is this still ok as an affiliate?
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  Hi Vegaed1,
  
  In some cases yes, and some no. You need to check the TOS for each site that you post your articles to as well as the Affiliate product sites TOS. Also, read up on the latest FTC enforcement trends targeting Bloggers and affiliate offers.
  
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niffybranco

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Find

If you are going to submit the same content and same anchor text or url within a short period of time then the chances are your website is going to be bombed and sandboxed for a year by google for spam.

Duplicate content isnt much of an issue if you use it once or twice. Its how you use it

Are you speaking from experience, is it something you have actually tried before, if you read this thread and googles official blog you will know that there is no penalty for duplicate content submitted to other sites, the only time you could be penalized for duplicate content is if you duplicate content on different pages of your site .

If what you are saying is true what stops me from writing an article putting my competitors link in the article using the same anchor text and blasting it to a thousand article directories? Google is aware people can do this so they will not penalize content that has been synicated.

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty"

So please stop spreading rumours . Go and test it or do some research and come back when you have proper proof.

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Find

14 years ago

Not exactly with spamming domains with duplicate content but spamming my url with the same anchor text.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Find

Not exactly with spamming domains with duplicate content but spamming my url with the same anchor text.

Hi Find,

I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion that content syndication is spamming? Isn't spam defined as something "purely self serving" and "unwanted' by the recipient? :confused:

Syndicated content could also be spam, but syndication alone does not make it spam. I believe you are perverting the definition of what should be considered spam. In my experience, about the only folks that hold such an extreme definition of spam are hardcore Marxists. If you are an anti-capitalist you have wandered onto the wrong forum, kindly use the nearest exit!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Find,

I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion that content syndication is spamming? Isn't spam defined as something "purely self serving" and "unwanted' by the recipient? :confused:

Syndicated content could also be spam, but syndication alone does not make it spam. I believe you are perverting the definition of what should be considered spam. In my experience, about the only folks that hold such an extreme definition of spam are hardcore Marxists. If you are an anti-capitalist you have wandered onto the wrong forum, kindly use the nearest exit!

Congradulations big guns. please give me your definition of duplicate content spam.

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dburk 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Find

Congradulations big guns. please give me your definition of duplicate content spam.

Hi Find,

Definition of "duplicate content spam":
1. A term invented by professional writers who desire an end to content syndication so that demand for their services will skyrocket.
2. Unwanted and unsolicited advertisements duplicated in multiple locations.
3. Marxist "code word" used to demonize a common method of spreading the truth to multiple locations.
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  Yes exactly. Funny that I mentioned content in my first response no wonder I got picked on oh well staying up early hour in the morning can do tricks to the mined
  
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Find

14 years ago

I think the word marxist is what you apply to your finding seen you like to blaaba about certain aspects. Well if FTC is going to attack google adwords so be it - Take a look at your website. I think you should use more of your expertise on your website because it needs it than wasting you marxist ways here. Im here to help not listen to big guns with bad products.

This forum is about helping not politics and destruction. Thats with your ppc management and FTC

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FreshPLR 14 years ago

right now I think maybe we need to call on John Galt. where is he?

or maybe Howard Roark is hiding out there somewhere?
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vivifoster

14 years ago

Spin it at least and then submit and submit. But use your original article to your own advantage...keep it or post it into your main site

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14 years ago

Thanks for the replies.

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ultimate

14 years ago

you risk your article being rejected if you submit the same for different directories.They must not even be close.If they the directories will not take it especially ezinearticle.Re write for each of the directories

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tribros

14 years ago

If you are submitting articles for the sole purpose of article marketing and not for backlinks then don't rewrite.

If you are doing it for backlinks then a big yes, re-write and spin. Same content on different domains vs different content on different domains, which one do you think google favors most? Make your own judgment and act accordingly.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tribros

If you are submitting articles for the sole purpose of article marketing and not for backlinks then don't rewrite.

If you are doing it for backlinks then a big yes, re-write and spin. Same content on different domains vs different content on different domains, which one do you think google favors most? Make your own judgment and act accordingly.

I'm wondering if the extra link juice acquired by re-writing or spinning your original article is worth the time and/or money required to spin it. We have already seen that Google will index thousands of versions of the same exact article, so why not spend the time/money it costs to spin an article, on writing an entirely brand new article instead?