Higher PR with 301 redirects?

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I have a domain with PR 5 and about 31 domains that have a 301 redirect to his domain.
Now I am wondering if it is really possible that these 31 domains pushed my 1 domain to pagerank 5? These 31 domains were all new and were registered 1 year ago.
#search engine optimization #301 #higher #redirects
  • do you have any other links going back to your site and if so whats the link value in terms of its PR and OBL?
  • Umm is this for real? I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that you have other sites redirected there. It's obviously due to existing links pointing to your site. PR has almost nothing to do with on-page attributes.
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    • Yes I have about 4 other links to the domain. Their PR is between 3-6.
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  • enigma2k, I don't think anyone has answered your question because they don't know the answer. I don't either. I'd be surprised if anyone here does.

    I'd love to know though, but we'd really need to register 30 dropped PR4+ domains, along with a brand new PR0 domain, and 301 redirect the 30 PR4+ dropped domains to the PR0 domain, and see the results. I'm not aware of any experiments that have done this, but if anyone does know of any, I'd love to see the study and the results too.
  • You can get PR5 with one PR6 link in some cases.
  • One domain's PR will not flow to other with the help of a redirect. That's a fact.
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  • I think the flow works backwards.

    I had a PR2 domain and then I purchased a new domain and 301 redirected it to this PR2 domain. After a week or so, the new domain had PR2 of its own.

    But then I used this new domain as my new site's domain and after 2-3 days it dropped to 0.

    So, It seems that redirected domains have no value of their own rather they take the values from the site they are redirecting to.

    I may be wrong though
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    • People seem to mis-understand what a 301 actually is.

      301 Re-direct = permananet redirect

      This means that lets say I have PR6 website but I want to change domain names, I can setup a 301 from old domain to new domain and all link juice rankings etc from old site will be passed to new site (assuming you do it right).

      It has been a bl*ckhat technique for years to register a domian, spam links at it, then point it to a site you want to rank, this stops your competitors seeing where your links are coming from.

      If you are forwarding domains with no inbound links there will be no noticable effect. But if you forwad domains that have lots of backlinks pointed at them you can see the pagerank increase.

      But in OP's case it looks like he has got PR value from a few IBL on high PR pages. If a PR6 is almost a PR7 then its common to get at least a PR5 with a single link from it.

      Toolbar value means nothing for SEO, it is just an indicator to assess weight of links when taken into consideration with several other factors.
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  • Thanks Peter, I had not seen that before, I had suspected but never seen it confirmed.

    Well, it goes to show that 301 redirects do pass PR, just not all of it. I also suspect that Google will be doing something to try to detect the difference between someone moving a single domain, and someone who is buying several domains and forwarding them to the same point to try and get a SEO boost.
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    • Probably not a bad suspicion at all, but I can think of instances that would be normal for multiple domains to redirect to the same domain. One that comes to mine is branding opportunities such as craigslist owning the .com and .net and redirecting to the main .org. Also one other instance is when someone buys up common misspellings for the main domain so they can take advantage of type in traffic that could be misspelled. Granted you would probably have to have a pretty decent brand for these to be effective, but those are some examples of reasons sites would do this that would not be underhanded in any way shape for form.
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  • Everyone has a different view about this its quite confusing!
  • i am fully confused in page ranking methods, is there is standard or correct Algonquin used for page rank
  • No, it is not possible.

    Yes, 301 is a best way of moving your sites (or PR) to your new site but they themselves have no value of their own now as they have transferred everything to their new site, but there must be mechanism how things get transfer.

    With regards to backlinks, they might check the WHOIS data (domain age,ip,owner info etc) or website content, to figure out whether the site that has been redirected to, has any thing common between them. The more common things exist between the two, the better value will get transferred to the new site.

    If not, one might get a domain with 1000 backlinks and then do a 301 redirect to its site to get benefit of those 1000 backlinks but I guess search engines are smart enough to figure this out.


    Just out of curiosty, how much additional traffic do you get from these 31 additional domains you got?
  • Build web 2.0 sites to generate PR and to share this PR with your 31 domains. These domains have 0PR so this means no link juice for your main site
  • I just listened to Matt Cutts live broadcast on webmaster radio. He says 301 re-directs lose a "miniscule" amount of PR as long as you are only forwarding one or two domains. He also says if you are doing lots of domain re-directs they will lose more PR, and if you are trying to "chain" the domains then they may see this as suspicious and its risky to do.
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    • He didn't say chains are suspicious and risky. Not at all.

      He said they absolutely understand and follow even 3 redirects in a chain.

      He said anything over 5, most engines will struggle to follow. He did not say it is risky or suspicious.
  • It seems enigma2k has not returned.

    If those 31 domains are "new," and just redirecting during their whole life,
    I doubt if they had any PR to pass along. So they would not help. One would have
    had to build some sort of backlinking program with them. They probably contributed
    nothing, as enigma2k kind of sounded like they were redirecting domains. Maybe
    even parked and forwarded.

    There would only be a risk if one were trying to schmooze google, as always.
    Many large, well know websites with popular type-in domains buy each and
    every misspelling and forward it to their main site. Or at least buy as much as
    they can. I know walmart has walmart, wal-mart and wallmart.

    I suppose using 31 domains to do nothing except try and improve PR would
    not be a great thing to do. Too time consuming building up PR of 31 sites
    to do any good before redirecting.

    Paul
  • Ya this can be the reason, try to get some links pointing to your forums. If the 301 redirect is recently done then wait for few days and see what is happens.
  • Anyone got the link to the podcast so I can listen to it again?
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    Higher PR with 301 redirects?

    I have a domain with PR 5 and about 31 domains that have a 301 redirect to his domain. Now I am wondering if it is really possible that these 31 domains pushed my 1 domain to pagerank 5? These 31 domains were all new and were registered 1 year ago.