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jimkirk1943

14 years ago

Been looking forward to some replys to this post as i am thinking about adding UAW to my collection but still no comments i wonder why ?

To the OP thats a hell of a lot of extra work you`ve put into submitting to UAW way more than i ever dreamed of having to do, have you got any traffic or serps movment can you explain what results you have had in serps and traffic after all the work you put in for 15 days stright !

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Carlos Castro

14 years ago

"Analytics Master Account"

Is this Google Analytics? If so, why are you letting Google know what you are doing?

I myself have never really gotten into creating unique articles, I simply post the same article to a bunch of directories.

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nettech

14 years ago

I think that its still too early for you to come to any conclusions. I also signed up to UAW about 2 weeks ago. Have only submitted 2 articles, working on my 3rd as we speak. I am VERY VERY meticulous when it comes to spinning articles. I ensure that each article is spun with nested spins so that there is a very high rate of uniqueness. This does take a serious amount of time though adn is NOT a walk int he park like some may assume it to be. It can take me at least 2 hours per article of 500 words to spin it properly since I'm an advocate of ensuring that the articles DO make sense and they are of high quality (I know many people may disagree).

On the 1 site I have tested, there does seem to be some movement. As a result of Google Mayday/Caffeine my site went into oblivion so needed some ideas as to how to get some regular backlinks.

Anyway, cutting a long story short, its only been about a week and I've noticed an increase. It was sitting near the 580 mark but is now about 480 so I def know that this is a result of UAW and nothing else. Anyway, it'll take some time and I'd also like to know from others who have used it what their feedback is.

Def think its worth the investment but suits those with a great deal of patience.

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Western Grizzlin'

14 years ago

You did some serious research. I'm in the market for UAW, so I don't want to see this thread die.

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mark@1to101

14 years ago

I use UAW a lot (60+ articles a month), and have done for nearly a year now, so I think I can be of assistance here.

I can 100% say that UAW does work. However, it doesn't work as well as what the sales page would have you believe. I would say that you'll get 15-30 links showing up in the Yahoo Backlink Checker for each article that you distribute through them.

They may distribute, or claim to distribute, to hundreds and hundreds of sites, but a fair amount of them are, basically, crap, and won't get indexed. Having said that, they do give a reliable distribution list, so you could hunt down your articles and build links to those articles to ensure that they all get indexed. Personally, I don't do that though.

You may not think 15-30 indexed links per article, and by the way it can take a month or so for them all to show up, to be very good, but that is actually must better than any of the other article distribution services, such as Article Marketing Automation, Free Traffic System, SEO Linkvine, etc.

I have tried spinning articles more than the 3 variations of each paragraph that they suggest and I have found the results to be the same as just doing the bare minimum i.e. 3 variations of each paragraph. So, if you're spending hours writing huge articles and then spinning each paragraph more than 3 times then you're wasting your time.

Keep it simple. Write 300-400 word articles, spin each paragraph twice and come up with 10-20 titles. That's all you need to do.

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Western Grizzlin' 14 years ago

Mark, have you seen any change since caffeine?
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- mark@1to101 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Western Grizzlin'
  
  Mark, have you seen any change since caffeine?
  
  No, everything is the same as before, if not better actually. So long as you're providing reasonable content then I can't really see any changes Google makes having a negative effect on this approach to link building.
  
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jimkirk1943

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mark@1to101

I can 100% say that UAW does work. However, it doesn't work as well as what the sales page would have you believe. I would say that you'll get 15-30 links showing up in the Yahoo Backlink Checker for each article that you distribute through them.

I`m sorry Mark can you explain if thats 15-30 backlinks per month or period for each article i mean how many backlinks would you expect to see after 4 month from each article just the 15-30 or 100+ ??
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mark@1to101

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

I`m sorry Mark can you explain if thats 15-30 backlinks per month or period for each article i mean how many backlinks would you expect to see after 4 month from each article just the 15-30 or 100+ ??
Cheers Jim

15-30 in total, not per month. There's not much activity after a month to be honest. Also, I should say, I set the distribution rate at the highest possible level. I used to set it a 10 a day or something, but you're better off setting it at 500+ to get your articles out there as quickly possible where Google can find them.

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James Hussey

14 years ago

That's funny - the best I've seen from a UAW run is 250 backlinks. About 100 of them fell off the planet after about 2 months, but my site's in position 3 in Google, can't complain.

It depends on your niche, on the quality of your articles (I reject a lot of crap on my sites from UAW), that sort of thing.

The other thing that doesn't seem to have been touched on is this:

If you just write 3 versions to "keep it simple," then the trouble is you can't distribute to more than UAW.

Nobody else uses the 3 rewrite deal, every other place like ArticleRanks accepts spun content.

So: make it easy: spin it well, distribute to more than just UAW for the best result.

I've done that with MAR, Magic Submitter, ArticleRanks, ArticleBot...I used to use SEOLV but it's not worth the effort...but with massive distribution you get a lot more out of the article.

Sure, you should spin the titles and first paragraph with every distribution (my opinion) but you get upward movement in the SERP.

And I want to ask you, Mark - if you bomb your site that way, with 50+ submissions, then what about when your run's done?

Don't you need to do it all over again?

I wouldn't do that with a new site - you get yourself knocked to oblivion that way (or so it happened to two of my sites).

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mark@1to101

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance

If you just write 3 versions to "keep it simple," then the trouble is you can't distribute to more than UAW.

Nobody else uses the 3 rewrite deal, every other place like ArticleRanks accepts spun content.

So: make it easy: spin it well, distribute to more than just UAW for the best result.

I've done that with MAR, Magic Submitter, ArticleRanks, ArticleBot...I used to use SEOLV but it's not worth the effort...but with massive distribution you get a lot more out of the article.

You can distribute to more than UAW by just doing 3 variations of each paragraph. UAW accepts articles in the standard spinning syntax format. It's not actually necessary to write out three separate articles in the boxes that they provide. For some reason they don't make this clear but you definitely can paste the same article with spinning syntax incorporated into each of the article boxes.

Personally, I write the article in Power Article Rewriter, and then paste it into UAW, Article Marketing Automation, Article Ranks, SEO Linkvine and Free Traffic System. The spinning syntax needs to be changed for some of those services, but it only takes a few seconds to change it over using the 'replace' function in Notepad or Word.

Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance

And I want to ask you, Mark - if you bomb your site that way, with 50+ submissions, then what about when your run's done?

Don't you need to do it all over again?

I wouldn't do that with a new site - you get yourself knocked to oblivion that way (or so it happened to two of my sites).

I just repeat the same process until I get where I need to be. Though, I should say that I'm not always building links to the same site. However, in the past, I've submitted 20 articles linking to the same site (different inner-pages) over the space of about a week, with the distribution rate for each of them set at unlimited (so they all get sent out on the first day), and have seen good results. As you said though, not recommended for new sites.

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christineconte 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Carlos Castro

I myself have never really gotten into creating unique articles, I simply post the same article to a bunch of directories.

Originally Posted by mark@1to101

Keep it simple. Write 300-400 word articles, spin each paragraph twice and come up with 10-20 titles. That's all you need to do.

Two totally different sides of the Duplicate Content debate - and yet both of you are having good results with UAW!
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- mark@1to101 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by christineconte
  
  Two totally different sides of the Duplicate Content debate - and yet both of you are having good results with UAW!
  
  You have to spin articles for them to be accepted by UAW, so anyone who says they don't spin articles can't be using UAW.
  
  If I was just submitting articles to the top 10 or so article directories, then I probably wouldn't bother spinning them. However, most of the article distribution services require you to spin articles.
  
  If you're going to take the time to spin an article, then you may as well submit it to more than just UAW. The writing / spinning is the 'hard work', so once you've done that, you may as well get those spun articles out to as many places as possible.
  
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dburk

14 years ago

Hi Marc,

While changing a single word in you content "technically" makes it unique, Google is little more sophisticated in their approach to filtering duplicate content. You can't get away with changing just a few words, you must have a substantial amount of unique content to avoid their filters.

The paradox of spinning content is that the more spins you create the less unique each version becomes. After a mere handful of spins your uniqueness levels will begin to drop. If you are submitting 1000 spun versions of the same document, many of those will be teated as duplicates because they are too similar to other spun variants.

The fact that you got more than 100 indexed and listed in GWMT shows that you did a fairly good job of spinning your content. The effort it would take to get a single document spun 1000 times, and to achieve a high enough uniqueness to get each one ranked, would probably not be as efficient as just writing totally new documents.

To get a better understanding of Google's view of duplication, and how they locate and filter it, check out this research paper from the original Google search engine project at Stanford:
http://ilpubs.stanford.edu:8090/325/1/1998-31.pdf

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Western Grizzlin' 14 years ago

Wow, it turns out that article writing is way more of a science than I thought. I've been on the PPC side for the past 7 years and I always thought of article writing as more of a grueling slog than an automated process. I want to learn more.
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- Scritty 14 years ago
  
  I don't think it's a case of "does UAW work or not" it's more. "Is there a better use of my time"
  
  For me - after being with UAW for six months (and submitting close on 100 articles) I can say "Yes" I can use my time a lot better.
  
  Firstly the method of spinning (which Dr Noel asks you not to mention outside the site) is a right royal pain.
  
  Secondly the web based interface is slow and cumbersome. Sometimes crashing (and no I don't use the browser back button) and makes storing,archiving etc a real slow chore.
  
  But the final reason is the killer for me;
  The "die off" rate of the articles it submits is astonishing. 6 weeks afte a campaign I may have 20,000 links, 6 weeks later it's under 10, a further 6 weeks and it's sometimes under 1000.
  For short term results UAW is very good. I saw huge increases in traffic over the days the articles were being posted. This dropped off to virtually nothing however once the posting process was complete.
  
  Also the QUALITY of the links is appalling. The PR of sites is incredibly low. If I visit them they are mainly "dumping" grounds for autosubmitters. I used scrapebox to check a unique name I used, then did a Page and URL PR check on the results.
  Ouch, not a single PR above 3. Also the advertising talks of 10,000+ sites. No matter what I tried I never got above 1200 (I know it's niche within niche and realise that 10,000 is never going to happen, but the ad blurb tells you pretty explicity that tis is what UAW will attempt)
  
  I get far better results from a one off payment solution that spins using syntax ( i invested in BAS as well, i use in in conjunction with a few little macros I made in Excel to get a massively high uniqueness rating)
  Doing it this way I can have a 600 word article that spins with average uniquness well above 65% in about an hour (often less)
  For the cost of a few weeks UAW, I have a tool that brings me far better long term results submits to the top 30 article sites for PR and a few hundred "dumping" sites for links and traffic.
  
  The beauty of this is two fold.
  
  1) Better method, cusomization,useability and results over the long term for each piece written and..
  2) I have a permanant solution for less than the cost of 4 months UAW membership
  
  Not going to name the other SW I use - that's not the point of this post. Just UAW needs a real overhaul If I'm going to sign up for it again. It needs a far better interface (preferably desktop) it needs to change it's spinning method (the "unique" way it does it really doesn't seem to offer any benefit in terms of results - it's just a lot more work up front).
  It must submit to a load of better PR websites. GO, Ezine, Alley et al. (preferably with delay options between the big 20 and the "trash" sites)
  
  I'm sure it used to be great once. But it's showing its age.
  
  Does it work - YES
  Could you achieve better results with less time and money - YES
  
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Bajsich

14 years ago

Hi there,

I have been using UAW for 2 weeks. Have submited 5 articles ( 1 was completed already 7 days ago ) and now my 2 keyowrds : Keyword A ( 5 month old site - globalc search count 9900 - positioon prior UAW 16 - position after 14 days #5 ).

Keyowrd B ( 5 month old site - globacl search 22 000 - position prior UAW 18 , after #9 )...

This is quite a step up. But as time goes by who knows if these links dissapear.

Sincerely, Bajsich

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mjzivko

14 years ago

I was posting months ago that UAW was a big waste. Glad to see some of you are catching up.

If you are trying to build links FORGET trying to get thousands of links.

You need high quality PR 4 or better links.

I have sites with 20-30 links that make us a lot of $$$. We also have sites with 20K of article and blog links on PR 0-2 that do very little.

In my humble opinion (and coming from somebody has dropped serious money on links, link programs, and link scemes) FORGET UAW. Getting hundreds or thousands of useless links is a big waste of time and money.

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delosense 14 years ago

mjzivko : define quality backlinks.

I got my backlinks from highly targeted blogs and sites closely related to my niche and had great success with UAW so it is really up to the person and how one uses the UAW. I could have gotten 1000s of backlinks from useles beauty blogs , but hey martial arts are not much related to beauty products now are they.

Just my opinnion.
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- riza 14 years ago
  
  I've been using UAW for over a yr with probably a couple hundred submissions so far, and the reason i came to this thread was because i've recently been thinking about whether it's worth the time that needs investing to make it work.
  
  Firstly, i'll say that it hasn't been useless. I'm kind of surprised by some of the numbers other users have managed to get with their submissions though.
  
  Typically one of my articles will get submitted to between 300-600 sites. Alot of that is to do with which categories you choose. Of those i get anywhere between 5-40 backlinks once the submission has completed. I use yahoo backlinks to check that. I just checked on some older sumbissons from about a yr ago and links are still there.
  
  The quality of the links isn't good; none of the higher PR article sites seem to be on their list. Almost always PR0 blogs etc, automated to accept anything.
  
  One good thing is that with a simple click you can have a spun version to copy and paste into a higher PR directory sites manually if you want, but there's so many competitor services availible now that can match or do better, i'm not sure it's worth it.
  
  The other main drawback is that submitting with UAW is time intensive for me, the way they explain it on UAW takes about an hour all in per art, rewriting, spinning, spinning titles, creating variated resource boxes.
  
  The way i see it, you should approach artice marketing with two aims; get alot of crappy links to build your backlinks, but more importantly get unique submissions to the high PR directories.
  
  UAW definitly doesnt do the later, the question is, is it still the best at doing the former. Given the time needed to work the UAW process, and the not insubstantial monthly cost i'm not so sure.
  
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  gtgart 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by riza
  
  The quality of the links isn't good; none of the higher PR article sites seem to be on their list. Almost always PR0 blogs etc, automated to accept anything.
  
  Riza you are on the money, I too have used many link building schemes and many of the article submission services just end up submitting to junk blogs and hence you get no backlinks.
  
  Always check to see if there are high pr sites publishing, otherwise it is a waste and yes Yahoo back link checker is best.
  
  Work only with what works, stop wasting money and effort on what doesn't.
  
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adam westrop

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mjzivko

I was posting months ago that UAW was a big waste. Glad to see some of you are catching up.

If you are trying to build links FORGET trying to get thousands of links.

You need high quality PR 4 or better links.

I have sites with 20-30 links that make us a lot of $$$. We also have sites with 20K of article and blog links on PR 0-2 that do very little.

In my humble opinion (and coming from somebody has dropped serious money on links, link programs, and link scemes) FORGET UAW. Getting hundreds or thousands of useless links is a big waste of time and money.

I doubt you have a site where you have 20k pr0 links and you arent ranking for a term, cos as long as the anchor was targeted, you would be ranking for that term unless you were trying to go after any of the major major 1 word competitive terms.

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hyerutko

14 years ago

Well this is very interesting indeed. Would love to read a little more of this.

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Shaunman 14 years ago

Now here is the bitch, No real traction since Google Caff... I would see maybe 100 links show at the end of the Month in GWMT.

I'm not supprised. Google Caffine seemed to have sacrifice pages for speed, so a good part of the web was dropped from their index, namely the lower 2/3rds was probably dropped.

Its the same with Ezinearticles and Web 2.0 sites. It just takes more work to get links actually indexed in Google now and UAW sites are at the bottom of the totem pole.
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- inter123 14 years ago
  
  I submitted some articles via UAW to rank for a keyword that is totally uncompetetive. The first page is filled with authority sites with no backlinks.
  My site rose from page 14 to 5 in two weeks, will wait to see if there is any real benefit.
  
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Fking

14 years ago

OrganicSeoGuru, you are seeing 100 links for each domain of the 5 domains set per article or all together?

cause 500 links per article set sounds great, and should be more than enough to rank for not very competitive terms

What's the level of the competition of the terms you go for? I can't believe you dont see results with submissions that clean. Maybe its way to competitive?

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patadeperro

14 years ago

I am going to give my 2 cents here, since I have been using UAW for almost a year and I have been attacking different niches.

First I think I must clarify what you will get with UAW, what you are trying to achieve with the article distribution is back links with your anchor text pointing out to your site, what is this for? to gain ranking in the search engines.

Do they have the best articles directories? No, Some of your bac klinks can disappear after come month because Big G take it as a non original content? yes, happens.

What is the real advantage of UAW? that helps you to automate the distribution content and that will bring you thousands of back links where you are controlling the anchor text, you are not giving great articles, you wont be able to use them to make them popular, no, you just want the back links, if you are expecting more than the fast links from UAW you are wrong.

UAW is a automated tool so you can spend more time doing other valuable tasks, if you spend more than 15 minutes spending your articles and distributing them, you are spending too much time (unless you are working on your main-big money site), I outsource all that, and I just try to create back links faster than Google takes them off (literally is just a click away)

Meaning, UAW will help you to increase your rank in the Search Engines by creating backlinks faster than Google realizes they are duplicated, just outsource the task to send it over and over again to the sites.

Conclusion (from my post) Is it UAW useful? yes, Is it worth it? Yes, Is it part of a long term strategy to attract traffic? No, Does it worth your money? Yes if you are attacking several niches, No if you are using it as a long term traffic strategy or to monetize your main site.

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JFalcon

14 years ago

I have had UAW for 3 weeks, 8 articles, no links. Not happy, but maybe I'm just being impatient. So far disappointed. Interesting idea to send articles faster than Google can delete them. Who do you outsource with?

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patadeperro

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JFalcon

I have had UAW for 3 weeks, 8 articles, no links. Not happy, but maybe I'm just being impatient. So far disappointed. Interesting idea to send articles faster than Google can delete them. Who do you outsource with?

I have my team in Philippines

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willyboy104

14 years ago

I didn't real the whole thread because, well I don't have time. However I saw Mark mention that he gets 15-30 backlinks per article.

For $67 per month (think thats what it costs) would'nt you be better off, paying someone to manually submit your articles to the top 15 article directories...? Actually, with $67 spare you could probably pay them to do a lot more.

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mark@1to101

14 years ago

Originally Posted by willyboy104

I didn't real the whole thread because, well I don't have time. However I saw Mark mention that he gets 15-30 backlinks per article.

For $67 per month (think thats what it costs) would'nt you be better off, paying someone to manually submit your articles to the top 15 article directories...? Actually, with $67 spare you could probably pay them to do a lot more.

But if you submit, say, 50 articles a month to UAW, then that works out to over indexed 1000 backlinks a month from UAW alone. Are they great backlinks? No, but it adds diversity to your backlink profile. Also, it's not an either / or situation. I say submit to the top article directories and submit to UAW. That way you get quality backlinks plus a diverse range of backlinks. The main point is to get maximum mileage from each article that you write / rewrite, and UAW certainly helps you do that.

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Fking

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mark@1to101

But if you submit, say, 50 articles a month to UAW, then that works out to over indexed 1000 backlinks a month from UAW alone. Are they great backlinks? No, but it adds diversity to your backlink profile. Also, it's not an either / or situation. I say submit to the top article directories and submit to UAW. That way you get quality backlinks plus a diverse range of backlinks. The main point is to get maximum mileage from each article that you write / rewrite, and UAW certainly helps you do that.

Exactly the way i see it

UAW is great for link diversity, especially because they have and lots of low quality sites too.
It's natural to have much more PR0 links than PR1
Much more PR1 links than PR2 and so on

if you are submitting only to the top 10-20 directories manually, yes you will get high quality links, but no diversity at all.
Not to speak that the second link from the same article directory to the same site of yours doesnt weight as much as the first. So doing just the high quality ones devaluates with the time, if you dont do different sites of course.

What i'm gonna do now is:
1. Publish on my own site
2. submit to all the PR7-6 directories manually (about 10 or so )
3. submit to UAW
4. some other kinds of link building parallel with all the above

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Alex Barboza

14 years ago

This seems like a good plan to follow. You can try lexorsoft as well. They can write your article and send them to their UAW account so you don't need to have one.

Originally Posted by Fking

Exactly the way i see it

UAW is great for link diversity, especially because they have and lots of low quality sites too.
It's natural to have much more PR0 links than PR1
Much more PR1 links than PR2 and so on

if you are submitting only to the top 10-20 directories manually, yes you will get high quality links, but no diversity at all.
Not to speak that the second link from the same article directory to the same site of yours doesnt weight as much as the first. So doing just the high quality ones devaluates with the time, if you dont do different sites of course.

What i'm gonna do now is:
1. Publish on my own site
2. submit to all the PR7-6 directories manually (about 10 or so )
3. submit to UAW
4. some other kinds of link building parallel with all the above

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Fking

14 years ago

Originally Posted by AlexBarboza

This seems like a good plan to follow. You can try lexorsoft as well. They can write your article and send them to their UAW account so you don't need to have one.

Actually i was just starting to think about outsourcing 2. and 3. to the Philippines and your post comes really handy. That service looks really interesting because of that credit system! Have you used it? Would you share more about it.

p.s.
I'm requesting them a quote right now

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Alex Barboza

14 years ago

I haven't really tried them but have heard so many good things about them

Originally Posted by Fking

Actually i was just starting to think about outsourcing 2. and 3. to the Philippines and your post comes really handy. That service looks really interesting because of that credit system! Have you used it? Would you share more about it.

p.s.
I'm requesting them a quote right now

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inter123

14 years ago

I am coming to the conclusion, the backlinks from the likes of ezine articles, article snatch, et al are poor quality backlinks. They are ok for low competetion but for anything mild, its no point.

Originally Posted by Fking

if you are submitting only to the top 10-20 directories manually, yes you will get high quality links....

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Fking

14 years ago

Originally Posted by inter123

I am coming to the conclusion, the backlinks from the likes of ezine articles, article snatch, et al are poor quality backlinks. They are ok for low competetion but for anything mild, its no point.

I guess you mean in matter of PR?
Cause otherwise, they are links from related content on trusted site. Which makes them one of the better links you can get out there.

But i wouldnt target anything competitive with that strategy alone either, but i guess its a good part of the link building strategies mix?

How much competitive phrases you did try and what were the results?

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inter123

14 years ago

I tried submitting 50 articles, many from this list:

List Of Top 50 Article Directories By Traffic, PageRank

for a keyword that receives 110,000 searches per month (according to Google Keyword). The first page is not that competetive as there are sites with just 10 backlinks on there. Perhaps they are getting backlinks with high PR or are authority sites and google has a greater trust.

I am page 6 even with 25+ internal links from my site as well.

Originally Posted by Fking

But i wouldnt target anything competitive with that strategy alone either, but i guess its a good part of the link building strategies mix?

How much competitive phrases you did try and what were the results?

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Fking

14 years ago

Originally Posted by inter123

I tried submitting 50 articles, many from this list:

List Of Top 50 Article Directories By Traffic, PageRank

for a keyword that receives 110,000 searches per month (according to Google Keyword). The first page is not that competetive as there are sites with just 10 backlinks on there. Perhaps they are getting backlinks with high PR or are authority sites and google has a greater trust.

I am page 6 even with 25+ internal links from my site as well.

50 articles to the dirs from that list
or 1 article to those 50 dirs?

6th page with just article marketing for 110k searches sounds good though

with some more kinds of links and maybe buying few high PR ones, 1st page should be doable?

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

I used UAW for a few months and maybe I didn't stick to it long enough, but I was quite disappointed in my results.

For a couple of my websites I just couldn't rank highly in Google at all, and yet I was ranked very high in Yahoo and Bing.

For my main website my ranking dropped for a long time and only now, months after I stopped using it have I managed to get my ranking back up to page one. I also found that over the last 5 or 6 months since I stopped using UAW, pretty much every backlink that I built using UAW has dropped off.

I don't know if anyone else has had the problem, but for me the backlinks didn't stick around and that equals a big waste of time and money in my opinion. If I'm paying for a backlinking service I want those backlinks to be good one's that will stay around.

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PrudentPanda

14 years ago

I find UAW links weak, but does create a short term burst. I am hiring a team in Pakistan to do article submission for me, cost me around $15 for 100 manual submissions to 100 PR 1+ directories. This is what I do, I write the article, submit it to ezine first, then the 100 PR 1 to PR 6 directories manually, then UAW, then hit one of the approved article with top 30 social bookmarks, this I feel, works out pretty good for me.

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clickbumped

14 years ago

Hmmmm...I'll have to look into this. I tend to not keep up with my sites after a couple months lol, except my main ones. But I used UAW for the first half of my sites and stopped because I found a better way to build backlinks, and cheaper too. I'll look into them though thanks for bringing this up.

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azmom07

14 years ago

I cancelled my UAW too after 2 months of being a customer, its been 3 months since then and up to now, only a few have been indexed after submitting a lot of well-spun articles...Its a lot of work plus your efforts are not reciprocated much in terms of the results you want to achieve...
I just concentrated on commenting on blogs and submitting to ezines articles, for me, they work better, not just backlinks but additional traffic as well.

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slashy

14 years ago

UAW works BUT don't use it on new sites or sites that don't have google trust.

First build authority backlinks to your site then start using automation like UAW.

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Kakashi

14 years ago

Hmm... this thread make me think twice to use UAW submission service.
By the way..... good discussion here...

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Han Fan

14 years ago

Wow, all the work no results...

UAW is a tool, it depends how you use it...

We had quiet success with it...

You just have to know how to use it..

Yes, other links build along with UAW works best...
you want mixture of links...such as video, other articles, blog links,
web2.0, high PR... etc..

then you just turn UAW on...

but i see people make mistake of promoting way too many links
or keywords per submission...

just tweak your method a little...you will see results..

good luck..

Han

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Pain4Glory

14 years ago

I got into uaw a year ago, after having one of my sites slapped from a pr6 link service I was subscribed to. It only took 6 pr6 links for 3 months to get google's attention. It wasn't a new site either, and the site wasn't spammy. It was full of content, and valuable.

For me UAW works, but not in the way some of you probably expect. It sucks for competitive keywords, but where it excels, and what the creator purposefully made it for, is for longtail keyword marketing.

UAW works in this way. I've used it to get a lot of my site's articles indexed under many, many longtail keywords.

That's what the service is for -- getting a lot of longtail links to pages on your site so you can rank them under a lot of longtail keywords.

You don't need high quality links to do that because most longtails have extremely weak competition.

UAW makes it easier to do this. I mean, can you imagine writing an article for every longtail keyword you wanted to target? It'd take forever! When you think about it, the time it takes to set up a uaw, is minuscule compared to the amount of time it'd take to write an article for each and every longtail kw you want your site ranked under.

Yeah, sure, a UAW set may only make it into 50 directories, but if you did your homework, then you'd have 50 new longtail links pointing to your site, which will result in rankings under those keywords, especially once you re-submit that UAW set a couple times.

If those 50 new rankings drove just 2 visitors a day to your site, that'd be an extra 100 visits to your site per day. For a niche site, that's pretty decent.

Also, the cool thing is, once you do get a wide array of longtails, you find your SERPS increase for larger related keywords. Of course, this doesn't happen right away.

Another cool thing is that you can use UAW to promote your ezine articles. Ive done so and driven my ezines value to pr2+. It also works great for vids. Heck, I've promoted an ezine, youtube vid, and my site all under a couple longtail keywords, and now they take up the front page for those keywords.

But... if you guys really want proof, check out Court's 30 articles in 30 days results. He defied the odds and created 30 uaw's for one of his sites, set them each on 50 submissions a day (if i remember correctly), and was able to generate and extra 500 bucks through his efforts within 1 month. I'm sure its making much more now.

Last thing, for you guys that chronically check your links, you should know:

1. Google only shows a sample - they show some of your links.
2. Yahoo is incredibly slow to update the links they show (it sometimes takes over 6 months), and doesn't always show weaker links.

Because of that, I merely let the results speak for themselves. Seriously, if you are getting more traffic -- who cares how many links google or yahoo is supposedly counting?

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Fking

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Pain4Glory

But... if you guys really want proof, check out Court's 30 articles in 30 days results. He defied the odds and created 30 uaw's for one of his sites, set them each on 50 submissions a day (if i remember correctly), and was able to generate and extra 500 bucks through his efforts within 1 month. I'm sure its making much more now.

Great share, thank you! Where we can read more about that case?

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D Baker

14 years ago

I am using UAW for over 2 months now and I am very pleased with the results I am getting.

I am using the Ultra Spinnable Articles with UAW and all my articles are being approved and I even managed to get 1000 links within 2.5 weeks to one of my pages using only UAW submissions.

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Fking 14 years ago

Originally Posted by D Baker

Ultra Spinnable Articles with

What's that, and with how many submissions you achieved that many links? And with which tool you are checking them?

I'm asking cause i get just few links per submission usually....
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seopackages 14 years ago

I tried to turn the most of the 3 variants of each paragraph in them and I found that the results are the same as just doing the bare minimum is 3 variations of each paragraph. So if you spend hours writing articles and then huge turn each paragraph more than 3 times.
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James Hussey

14 years ago

This is in response to "Beau" who PM'd me - I'm posting my response here only because I can't PM, and I think others might be wondering.

The question is in the way that UAW spins - do they simply re-arrange the paragraphs versus spin - when you submit the 3 unique versions, that is.

I asked a while back directly to their support and was given a cryptic answer that indicated they do sentence-level spinning, and word-level spinning (this part of the email was fuzzy to say the least - not clear how the word-level spinning occurs, I doubt it does).

My thoughts are:

1) If you submit 3 unique articles only, expect about 20-30 backlinks, tops.

2) If you want more backlinks - then spin instead. Per submission to UAW, you have 3 articles - 3 rewrites of the same article, in essence.

If you want more link juice, I find spinning 1 article and submitting that in the 3 "versions" is good - or if you're nuts you can spin 3 versions.

The # of backlinks will be limited to the # of blogs, etc, that are receiving content on that subject.

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nettech

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance

This is in response to "Beau" who PM'd me - I'm posting my response here only because I can't PM, and I think others might be wondering.

The question is in the way that UAW spins - do they simply re-arrange the paragraphs versus spin - when you submit the 3 unique versions, that is.

I asked a while back directly to their support and was given a cryptic answer that indicated they do sentence-level spinning, and word-level spinning (this part of the email was fuzzy to say the least - not clear how the word-level spinning occurs, I doubt it does).

My thoughts are:

1) If you submit 3 unique articles only, expect about 20-30 backlinks, tops.

2) If you want more backlinks - then spin instead. Per submission to UAW, you have 3 articles - 3 rewrites of the same article, in essence.

If you want more link juice, I find spinning 1 article and submitting that in the 3 "versions" is good - or if you're nuts you can spin 3 versions.

The # of backlinks will be limited to the # of blogs, etc, that are receiving content on that subject.

Totally agree with James here.

What I'd also add is that, once you have 3 VERY WELL spun articles that are of high quality, there's nothing stopping you to use the tool to generate spins and then submit these to the high PR article directories. This is what I do and have seen some positive results.

These include places like and not limited to;

suite101.com
articlesalley.com
ezinearticles.com
articlesbase.com
associatedcontent.com
buzzle.com
helium.com
isnare.com
dirjournal.com
Articlet.com
articlesnatch.com
articlealley.com
articledashboard.com
ideamarketers.com
selfgrowth.com/articles.html
bukisa.com
articlecity.com
searchwarp.com
sooperarticles.com
a1articles.com
articlebiz.com
articleblast.com
articleslash.net
majon.com/articles
ArticleCircle.com
articleinsider.com
point-online.net
article-board.com
outofstress.com
linkroll.com

This is just some of the list of between PR5-7 article directories I use. Oh and don't forget the tons of WEb2.0 properties out there.

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dagaul101

14 years ago

Interesting theory, could it be that Google is now focusing on variations of spun content using it's own theasaurus?

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Ehsan_am

14 years ago

I think you guys are complicating things.

I tried different degrees of uniqueness for my articles. I have had artticles with 5-6 rewrites per sentence and articles with only one rewrite per sentence and the results are pretty much the same.

One thing you might want to consider is that the backlink checkers you are using don't show you all your backlinks.

In order to track the number of backlinks that your article is generating, I would simply leave a long sentence unspun then wait about 3-4 weeks and run a search within quotes on Google. chances are the results are all the article you submitted a while back and you should be getting 200-300 results on average. That is the real number of backlinks that you are getting.

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13 years ago

Be interesting to see if anyone has changed there opinion of UAW?

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Natlex

13 years ago

It definitely helps me rank, it's in my top 3 distribution services that I use. Everytime I am doubting that it still works and set up a few keywords to test it that I did not promote for many months and that I use only UAW on and so far I always see good improvements. It's easy to think UAW does not work but with some effort in your articles it works very well, especially combined with the best spinner.

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