Perpetual Traffic Formula - Ryan Deiss

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So I just bought the Perpetual Traffic Formula from Ryan Deiss...

Does anyone know if this is worth the 2k? I bought it b/c it looked
like a step by step process to SEO, which could probably help act
as a guide to do the right things.

I have a pretty basic understanding of SEO, but I'm really looking
for someone to say... Day 1 - do this, Week 2 - do this... etc...

I'm a little frustrated because he's only giving access to the content
one week at a time... my guess is to get people to forget about the
guarantee over the course of 6-8 weeks.

Does anyone know if there's a similar, lower priced product where I don't
have to wait a couple months to learn everything?

Here's the breakdown of the content (gotten from his free video):


1. The playground
- market selection
- competitive analysis
- commercial intent

2. The bait
- content
- website structure
- tagging and keywords

3. The pump (prime the pump)
Phase 1: Linking
Quality and authority
10-30 links

4. The shake
Phase 2: Linking
300-400 links
and...
Phase 1: Activity

5. The Stir
Massive activity
Visitor engagement
"activity loops"

6. The Hammer
- massive linking
- competition intimidation
- content syndication

7. The factory
- market selection
- competitive analysis
- commercial intent
#deiss #formula #perpetual #ryan #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author Zane Abden
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    • Profile picture of the author imguru
      Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

      if you are a newbie stay but if you know the most basic stuff then this gonna be overpriced especially if you have seen the epic traffic system launch you will know what i mean

      do you want an alternative way?

      get your self this
      -SEO pressor wordpress plugin (it tell you what you need to do for each page/post)
      -market samurai (it does alot more than the cherry pick does)
      -wp-robot
      -outsource your article (you can buy one content for $6 each)
      -auto comment software+ several proxy address (use this to spam your own blog , leave comment on your blog post to make it look like active)
      -(optional) backlink software SERP or bookmarking demon

      estimate cost $400-$600 Max

      hope this help
      Thans Zane, nice list to build a good start with an online business. I love market samurai and use it often. I think the problem most people face is not knowing what to do. People tell them what tools to use, but then what?
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      • Profile picture of the author Zane Abden
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        • Profile picture of the author hockeybull22
          Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

          iam not against the content of perpetual traffic, i just think its way overpriced and I dont think people really do need to hear all those bunch of gurus webinars in order to get the result..
          I agree... it shouldn't take a 2k product to get a solid SEO plan.

          However, I'm looking for someone to tell me exactly what to do, how to do it, and when to do it. There's a lot of GUESSING in the SEO world, mixed with a bunch of opinions. It'd be nice to know Google's algorithm, but I'll settle for a process that's proven to work and gives me a clear plan of action...

          I'm in the process of hiring 6-8 full time Phillipino employees to run my SEO campaigns... I just need to know what to tell them to do! ;-)
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            • Profile picture of the author Eddys Velasquez
              Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

              I was like you looking for someone to show me how to do SEO but when a friend of mine introduced me to this plugin (seo pressor) now I dont need to hire any seo person, i know i said it many times before but I would advice you to give this plugin a try before you hire anyone

              cheer
              Hey Zane do you have a link to SEO pressor...I'm going to go through perpetual traffic formula and I'll compare two sites while I do...I'll use SEO pressor and your method on one and I'll use the PTF method on the other...

              should be interesting
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    • Profile picture of the author JayJ
      Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

      if you are a newbie stay but if you know the most basic stuff then this gonna be overpriced especially if you have seen the epic traffic system launch you will know what i mean

      do you want an alternative way?

      get your self this
      -SEO pressor wordpress plugin (it tell you what you need to do for each page/post)
      -market samurai (it does alot more than the cherry pick does)
      -wp-robot
      -outsource your article (you can buy one content for $6 each)
      -auto comment software+ several proxy address (use this to spam your own blog , leave comment on your blog post to make it look like active)
      -(optional) backlink software SERP or bookmarking demon

      estimate cost $400-$600 Max

      hope this help
      Great Post. Thanks

      I was wondering which auto comment software you would recommend please?

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    • Profile picture of the author Raynex80
      Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

      if you are a newbie stay but if you know the most basic stuff then this gonna be overpriced especially if you have seen the epic traffic system launch you will know what i mean

      do you want an alternative way?

      get your self this
      -SEO pressor wordpress plugin (it tell you what you need to do for each page/post)
      -market samurai (it does alot more than the cherry pick does)
      -wp-robot
      -outsource your article (you can buy one content for $6 each)
      -auto comment software+ several proxy address (use this to spam your own blog , leave comment on your blog post to make it look like active)
      -(optional) backlink software SERP or bookmarking demon

      estimate cost $400-$600 Max

      hope this help
      Dude... thanks a lot.

      I'd be much interested though if you could explain more about all these. Especially the auto comment software + several proxy address and backlink software SERP you are using.

      Thanks!

      Ryan
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    • Profile picture of the author gj2802
      Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

      if you are a newbie stay but if you know the most basic stuff then this gonna be overpriced especially if you have seen the epic traffic system launch you will know what i mean

      do you want an alternative way?

      get your self this
      -SEO pressor wordpress plugin (it tell you what you need to do for each page/post)
      -market samurai (it does alot more than the cherry pick does)
      -wp-robot
      -outsource your article (you can buy one content for $6 each)
      -auto comment software+ several proxy address (use this to spam your own blog , leave comment on your blog post to make it look like active)
      -(optional) backlink software SERP or bookmarking demon

      estimate cost $400-$600 Max

      hope this help

      I'd also include WP Syndication from Andy Fletcher

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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Originally Posted by hockeybull22 View Post

    Does anyone know if this is worth the 2k?
    Sheriff Lucky is here to help...


    It's too F...in high!

    Basically, you can learn this stuff, and more importantly, correct information, from numerous free sources, provided you don't need it spoonfed to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author hockeybull22
    Thanks for the info... I have a couple of those tools, but will check out the others.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigalan6622
    I'm so glad I couldn't afford this product or I may have made the mistake of purchasing.
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
    I'm glad you asked. Last time I attempted to answer this question, I ran into a group of cheerleaders who were really only trying to cheerlead the product and establish their identity as "groupies." I caution people that groupie behavior is not good. Allegiance should be merit-based. In fact, it shouldn't even matter if a marketers is a jerk, as long as s/he delivers the right value for the price.

    That being said, nothing short of a "happy ending" from Paris Hilton should cost you $2k. But the marketers in his sphere run off the maxim, "Something is worth what you can get for it." I guarantee you there's going to be the usual people who don't properly qualify themselves and they never get around to asking for a refund for one of however many reasons.

    Fish in a barrel, my friend.

    If you want the heavy answers to these questions, fire up YouTube and watch a pride of lions stalking a herd of wildebeast.

    Cheers,
    Eric
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by BizBoost View Post

      That being said, nothing short of a "happy ending" from Paris Hilton should cost you $2k. But the marketers in his sphere run off the maxim, "Something is worth what you can get for it."
      In the offline world quality courses cost a lot more than $2k...

      There has been so much talk about this product and it all focuses on the price. To know if it is worth the money you need to know the content.

      A solid course on SEO could very well be worth $2k to a beginner if it is taught in such a way that they come out of it knowing what they are doing SEO wise with their sites. Not everyone in the IM game start off with no cash to spend on learning.

      I am sure there are a lot of small business out there that would pay a lot more than $2k to know how to get some traffic from Google. They spend way more than that on one advertisement.

      By the name this course is more about Traffic Generation though? That is probably worth even more to a business.

      If the course is crap then so be it, but if it isn't then some people will get value out if it.

      hockeybull22, you have bought the product? You should be tell us if it is worth the money, not the other way around.
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      • Profile picture of the author hockeybull22
        Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

        In the offline world quality courses cost a lot more than $2k...

        hockeybull22, you have bought the product? You should be tell us if it is worth the money, not the other way around.
        Yes, I bought the product... and please don't get me wrong. I'm not bitchin' about the price. I'd pay 10X the price of the course if it could deliver...

        But I can't yet say if it's even worth the 2k yet because he's making everyone hold out for 8 weeks to learn everything.

        I see the benefit, from a marketing standpoint, to deliver content over time. But it's a real pain in the a$s for people who want to learn and implement right away. I tried contacting Ryan to see if he'd release the information early, but all I got was a BS response from his outsourced customer service company.

        Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post


        finally i know someone who bought perpetual traffic and he is going to return it for a reason that he think its made based on knowledge from this site :: Jiggling the Web for Instant Search Engine Rankings

        hope this help
        Thanks for the info Zane! I have a quick question about this..

        About 3/4 of the way down the page, it says:

        "Remove the ping list from your blogging software. It's the real secret behind Jiggling the Web. Whoever pings first gets first crawl. This is critical."

        Are they talking about removing all the wordpress plugins like retweet, facebook like, etc from my blogs?

        I guess I was on Daniel Tan's list for the SEOpressor launch, but I never got it. If you have an affiliate link, shoot me a PM and I'll buy it. Thanks for the recommendation...
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        • Profile picture of the author Raynex80
          Originally Posted by hockeybull22 View Post

          Thanks for the info Zane! I have a quick question about this..

          About 3/4 of the way down the page, it says:

          "Remove the ping list from your blogging software. It's the real secret behind Jiggling the Web. Whoever pings first gets first crawl. This is critical."

          Are they talking about removing all the wordpress plugins like retweet, facebook like, etc from my blogs?

          I guess I was on Daniel Tan's list for the SEOpressor launch, but I never got it. If you have an affiliate link, shoot me a PM and I'll buy it. Thanks for the recommendation...
          The idea is to ensure your page are indexed not from pinging service but instead from social bookmarking sites profile (the one from the highest level).

          I've seen someone conducted an experiment in a paid forum membership... and the result suggests that Google places more weight to a site, SEO wise, if they found it from social sites first instead of you pinging them yourself.

          What they talked about, is to remove the ping list within Writing in your Wordpress control panel. Scroll down after clicking on Writing, and you'll find it.



          Ryan
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  • Profile picture of the author thobbs31
    Do yourself a favor and buy Firestorm SEO. Following Firestorm SEO has put me number 1, number 1, and number 4 for the 3 keyword phrases I've been targeting since December 2009. May not work for everybody, but it's solid information that is worth way more than the asking price. FYI, I'm not an affiliate, just a happy customer.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelF
    I've waited to buy until reviews come out on this course. I'm sure it will reopen sometime down the road.

    My concern was the fact that Ryan for years criticized SEO and was a PPC and banner guy and now he's switched. Not that he can't learn something new, but there are people who've been heavily working and testing SEO practices for years who have courses on the market.

    Does Ryan really know something they don't?
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    • Profile picture of the author gj2802
      Originally Posted by MichaelF View Post

      I've waited to buy until reviews come out on this course. I'm sure it will reopen sometime down the road.

      My concern was the fact that Ryan for years criticized SEO and was a PPC and banner guy and now he's switched. Not that he can't learn something new, but there are people who've been heavily working and testing SEO practices for years who have courses on the market.

      Does Ryan really know something they don't?

      If you could get $2000 for an SEO course..wouldn't you switch...??

      No matter what your earlier beliefs..!

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  • Profile picture of the author Byrt M
    Hey Zane
    I just got in on the thread and in 10 seconds I saved some hard earned cash and got in exchange quality advice - 'ppreciate the tools you recommended at the top of the thread.
    Just wanted to say thanks
    Byrt
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Without using this product/system, I can't say whether or not it is truly 'worth' it....

      However, when faced with the decision between paying $2,000 for this system, or investing in a variety of other tools that would incur a much greater benefit (IMHO), I'm not so sure that I would buy this system.

      One of the first posters in this thread made some great recommendations.
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    • Profile picture of the author Val Kinsky
      Hey everyone,

      I am reading this thread with fascination.

      I think nobody should spend $2,000 on SEO strategies, whether you are a beginner, intermediate or advanced internet marketer.

      Hocheybull22, back in February, I was prepared to pay $2,000 for a program that would tell me what to do, step by step, and I was imagining myself traveling in Europe by this time of the year. I soon realized that such program just simply does not exist. All programs that I participated in, fell short of delivering what they promised. Five months later, and with 30 sites behind my back, I can take myself to Google page 1 any time I want. I achieve this mainly with Google Sniper strategies plus stuff I learned from other programs. But Google Sniper is a great foundation for any beginner. I highly recommend that you start there.

      Having said that, I have to admit that my problem is the conversion. I agree here with Ryan Deiss that to be on Google page 1 and not know how to convert your traffic into sales is worth nothing.

      Ryan Deiss sounds extremely salesy to me. I can tell that he is targeting newbies with money to spend, but whether or not he will actually deliver, remains to be seen.

      I am curious to know if anyone would share his/her traffic conversion strategies.

      And, thank you Zane for sharing your resources here! BTW, what auto commenting software you are referring to? I see lots of guys are asking about it, so I'd appreciate if you could share this as well.

      Val
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    • Profile picture of the author Raynex80
      Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

      due to many people ask me how to apply this alternative method I decided to write a quick blog post about it ... so stay tune
      Much appreciated... let us know..


      I guess you are paying $50 bucks for the SEO information in Perpetual Traffic Formula... and another $1950 for the brand name Ryan Deiss.

      That's probably how all of the things, as far as big names in IM is concern, works.


      Ryan
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

      phewww ... finally done I hope this will help you , if you pick any grammer error or any misspelling please execuse my none native english language skill


      Internet Profit Bootcamp| Alternative to Perpetual Traffic Formula
      Will check it out, Zane. Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

      phewww ... finally done I hope this will help you , if you pick any grammer error or any misspelling please execuse my none native english language skill
      Your writing is clear and there was only one misspelled word I noticed, "poste" should be "post".

      But, the big mistake I see is in assuming that the 3rd part of the "Deiss Equation", (activity) , is correct. It isn't.
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        • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
          Originally Posted by Zane Abden View Post

          is that what you mean? sorry coudnt understand what is the mistake
          The mistake is believing that the activity part of the formula is correct. The techniques you describe for creating activity are good, but they won't make a difference.

          Site activity is something I've done a lot of experimenting with and I've found it to have no noticeable impact upon a site's long term rankings.
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          • Profile picture of the author KevScarb
            Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

            The mistake is believing that the activity part of the formula is correct. The techniques you describe for creating activity are good, but they won't make a difference.

            Site activity is something I've done a lot of experimenting with and I've found it to have no noticeable impact upon a site's long term rankings.
            Ditto 100% Agree

            Theory in a marketing video sounds great, but it is very different to Practice in the real world.
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          • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
            Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post


            Site activity is something I've done a lot of experimenting with and I've found it to have no noticeable impact upon a site's long term rankings.
            Is`nt that about to change slowly with `google caffeine` ? I thought the new algorithm change was going to take site activity into account along with content and backlinks ? and since caffeine is so new how can you have tested it yet ?
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            • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
              Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

              Is`nt that about to change slowly with `google caffeine` ? I thought the new algorithm change was going to take site activity into account along with content and backlinks ? and since caffeine is so new how can you have tested it yet ?
              I have sites that are static and those that are active. I also watch certain sites other than mine for trends, some of these get regular updates, some don't. There has been no change in any of them since the so-called 'caffeine' update that could be attributed to activity. Sites that were active did not overtake static sites and vice-versa.

              I have seen movement on some sites because of link authority counting more but this is the same for both static and non-static sites. My observation about the recent update is that authority links and authority sites mean more than ever while certain tricks, such as generating pseudo-activity or lower quality links, don't count for much at all.

              Secondly, Google knows that this kind of activity can be gamed quite easily so it's very doubtful that they can use it in any meaningful way to rank sites over the long haul.

              Now, there is an advantage to activity on a site in some niches, for example, celebrity news. In this case, there is some advantage to keeping an active site to capture "Query Deserves Freshness" traffic. This isn't any different than things have been and this is a temporary boost. However, this only applies to new URL's, not new activity on pre-existing pages.
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              • Profile picture of the author Val Kinsky
                Hey Zane,

                I really appreciate you taking your time to share your methods and resources - not a lot of people would actually do this.
                I am 100% sure that those who bought Perpetual Traffic will soon find out that this was just a waste of money and time.
                The problem is that when you are new to all of this, it is difficult to figure out where to start.
                Your free advice is as solid as any paid course, and will work for anyone who is prepared to invest time and some money into it, but mostly time.
                Judging by Ryan's latest e-mails he is closing his offer soon, which means he is almost sold out. Good for him.

                Cheers,

                Val
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                • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
                  Activity on a website as an important part of SEO?

                  Excuse me for saying, but that is something that can be disproven easily. There's tons and tons of sites that have stayed the same for years and years without changing.

                  Activity will help with natural linkbuilding, but that's hardly what is being suggested here.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Ken Durham
                    Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

                    Activity on a website as an important part of SEO?

                    Excuse me for saying, but that is something that can be disproven easily. There's tons and tons of sites that have stayed the same for years and years without changing.

                    Activity will help with natural linkbuilding, but that's hardly what is being suggested here.
                    Here's a perfect example of ranking well for years even though the site hasn't been touched in a long time and is still under some sort of redevelopment.

                    Search the term computer games. A fairly broad keyword phrase.
                    3rd site down should be "cgonline"
                    Have a look for yourself. It is a dead site that is top in a major niche.
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                • Profile picture of the author chevinoz
                  Thanks for your direct & honest advice Zane.

                  I'd spent a few hours over the last few days trying to find a reasonable critique on Ryan's PTF offer, all I seemed to find was blog after blog & IM websites mindlessly upselling his product.

                  Yours was the first I found to offer reasoned & alternative options to all the PTF hype.

                  Cheers.
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                  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
                    Originally Posted by chevinoz View Post

                    Thanks for your direct & honest advice Zane.

                    I'd spent a few hours over the last few days trying to find a reasonable critique on Ryan's PTF offer, all I seemed to find was blog after blog & IM websites mindlessly upselling his product.

                    Yours was the first I found to offer reasoned & alternative options to all the PTF hype.

                    Cheers.
                    Are you new to all of this?

                    Here's a tip: Don't buy ANYTHING for a month, just read everything here.
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                    • Profile picture of the author clr
                      Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

                      Are you new to all of this?

                      Here's a tip: Don't buy ANYTHING for a month, just read everything here.
                      Bingo. Everything you need is available online for free. You just need to learn and adapt it for your own needs. Creativity is the key.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ZaneAbden
                    you welcome by the way here is the link again. after long discussion I got my access back but I lost all my posts

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                    Originally Posted by chevinoz View Post

                    Thanks for your direct & honest advice Zane.

                    I'd spent a few hours over the last few days trying to find a reasonable critique on Ryan's PTF offer, all I seemed to find was blog after blog & IM websites mindlessly upselling his product.

                    Yours was the first I found to offer reasoned & alternative options to all the PTF hype.

                    Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevScarb
    Originally Posted by hockeybull22 View Post

    So I just bought the Perpetual Traffic Formula from Ryan Deiss...

    Does anyone know if this is worth the 2k?

    Mate I would have thought the time to ask that question was before you spend 2k on it ?


    Don't mean to be hard on you but it is true.

    Most if this is marketing hype and from my own experience I have a different view and results to what Deiss says,

    SEO is one of those markets where everyone has an opinion and everyone is an expert, but truth is only certain things remain that work long term.

    You can do worse than follow it straight from the horses mouth.

    SEO site review session from Google I/O 2010

    Or try ex google employee Vanessa Fox Nine By Blue She developed the google webmaster central system and always has views on the latest Google changes, and you know what ? it won't cost you a dime, and you will learn far more taking some time there, than any goo roo launch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preciseim
    Have no interest in buying it despite being bombarded by the guru's emails...

    If it really is just a basic SEO course, save your money, you can learn the basics on this forum with a little digging
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Exactly!

    It is highly unlikey for a peer reviewed and highly referenced study on a University's website to suddenly lose relevance, trust, and authority because it hasn't been updated in the last 5 years.

    Some markets - maybe. All markets - definitely not.

    One way of getting traffic fast is by tackling Google Trends. This rewards the new content BUT after everything has settled down the most relevant and trusted site still gets the #1 spot. It just maybe 1 month after the trend.

    *Google has added real time results to certain searches and this is related to what is happening, now. That isn't effecting the rankings of the sites in the organic results though.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpace32
    $2k for SEO training could be worth it, but I doubt it. SEO training can be done in a couple days of classroom trainings- it's really not that difficult.
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    • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
      I don't know if this program is worth it or not. I did not sign up for it.

      That said, I wouldn't say a program isn't worth the price because it is $2,000. I have taken two other programs in that range over the last few years and got the value out of it many, many, many times over.

      Heck, I still tell the story about the information product I bought off an infomercial (remember those) in the late 90's for, I don't know, $49 or something like that. I didn't even finish the program and got an idea/method from that. I then used that method to make an extra $400k over the next three years. That's extra $ on top of what I was already doing. It was a great idea, I adapted it, and made a killing on auto pilot, even when people were saying "dot what?"

      The other two programs I did were Smarts and a program from Frank Kerns. Both great programs, lots of knowledge. Lots of value.

      College kids pay $2,000 per class ($650 per credit) for an undergraduate course in philosophy that will do nothing for their future earnings.

      Is $2000 too much to ask for a course that may make you an extra $xx,xxx per year? Defnitely not. Now will this course do that? I have no idea.

      I do take issue with people ripping a program apart that's been barely taught. None of us know what is coming out of the hat. May be great. May be crap. But we just don't know, so I can't see how it can be ripped apart.

      As far as the comments about an 8 week course being a marketing ploy - generally it is not. SMARTS was something like 13 weeks. At first I wanted to know why we couldn't have it all up front. After a couple of weeks you learn - it really is a long term learning process. If they served it all up at once, you wouldn't learn much. You'd skim the materials, put it aside and never use it.

      When they dole it out in lessons (aka college courses given for a semester), you do learn more. A 45 hour college course could be taught 9 hours a day, 5 days in a week. But would you really learn anything? A longer approach works better.

      A WSO in one shot? Sure. Generally you are learning one thing. But something broad like "SEO" or "Social Media"? There is so much to learn, if it isn't broken up, you take in too much too fast, don't really internalize & learn the info, and don't really get value out of it.

      So my opinion? If you signed up, give it a chance, see what it does. Mark that "guarantee period" on your calendar, as well as reminders a few days early. I don't know the guarantee on this one, but if it is 30 days, I'd circle day 28 and be ready to cancel if you aren't happy. And, just to protect yourself, cancel in writing. Send the emails & print them out with date/time stamps. Fill out posts and print those. Whatever you do, print it out just in case... to make sure a cancellation request is honored.

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author gaylebar1
    I really like Chris Farrell memebership dot com... it is a low month fee (37 or 47 a month)... offers step by step 20 min videos that are clear and VERY helpful... I have paid for many $2000 to $3000 classes, and been confused and then I quit... I think that these classes are sometimes over a beginners head because they don't train on the basic steps to get it up and running.

    I would have bought Ryan's perpetual traffic as I think he is really brilliant and enjoyed all his training, but he is advanced and sometimes the training goes to waste on me... he has a staff and people working for him helping him... I have me and whatever freelancer I can afford to pay... so we are two different worlds... I think if you check out Chris Farrell's website... you will be very happy.

    Good luck and for sure, keep us updated if you keep Perpetual Traffic

    Gayle
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  • Profile picture of the author Hitmanad
    I purchased PTF.

    In the past, I've been in Aaron Wall's coaching group for a couple months. He's a great SEO expert.

    But I take what he said with a HUGE grain of salt. After all, he'd rather you sign up for his program instead of Ryan's.

    Ryan did say there were NEW holes in the Google algorithms that he will teach you to take advantage of. This is what I'm holding out for. I'm always looking to stay on top of the latest stuff.

    If Ryan doesn't deliver and I feel the course wasn't worth $2k, I may indeed ask for my money back.

    THE COURSE JUST STARTED. He hasn't even revealed these new "loopholes" yet.

    I'm still giving him a chance. The first two modules were okay. Nothing special, but not a big disappointment.

    The biggest complaint I would make is that if you want your questions answered, you need to wait on the teleconference for two or three hours. Why not go with GotoWebinar? Other than that though, the course is pretty well put together.

    Waiting for what is to come....
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  • Profile picture of the author ZaneAbden
    everyone interested in SEO I recommend you to read this new thread , it has good offer (this is not mine) but the offer is very good in my opinion

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post2454199

    also it has expire date on 18th August, iam sorry if you saw my message late
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  • Profile picture of the author Ishan Soni
    Can anyone testify that getting traffic from OTHER sources affects your ranking? Has someone recently created a site with NO traffic and it started getting traffic only from the search engines once they got ranked?

    I'm confused about that.

    I have several articles that are on page 1 of Google (But they're on authority sites obviously like GoArticles/EZA etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Ishan, traffic from 3rd party sites does not affect your ranking.

    Traffic from 3rd party sites means your site has the chance of being picked up by other bloggers or sites who use your site as a reference - if your content is worthwhile. This is how it can help your rankings...

    For some searches Google shows the 'latest' from blogs and social media sites in their results but not in the organic results. This is another way traffic from 3rd party sites may help you get rankings...if they start talking about your site on Twiitter and Facebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hitmanad
    Ishan, YES, I can testify that most of the traffic I've gotten from my sites have been only because they've been ranking in Google. In fact, many of my sites get traffic solely because they're ranked in Google.

    The ranking comes from the incoming links, but the links don't give me much traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Greene
    I just couldn't imagine shelling out that kind of money for information that is freely and widely available on the web, unless I was being personally coached or assisted on the workload in some way. All the major modules he cutely labeled are widely known here.

    But I was in your same spot just a few weeks ago looking for an blueprint on how to encorporate everything into a solid plan. I ended up purchasing a WSO by Daniel Tan here called "The Rank Mover." Total Bill: $12 something, plus one of his methods for getting lots of back licks for a similar price.

    There is a lot of links to be built if I want to compete in the highly competitive markets(which I do) as opposed to a small nice(much easier) and it's time consuming doing it myself fleshing out the required sites to go back and use, but I could also choose to outsource it and he provides methods and other WSOs that do that.

    I would also think Sean Donahoes Firestorm SEO would be good, but I haven't checked it out. The quality of information in the free videos he's given out have been top level stuff.

    There is also a great beginners to intermediate level course you should check out called "The Thirty Day Challenge" by Ed Dale. It's been going on for quite a few years now. There is currently a new one underway, but the past archive from last years is still up.

    Personally I wouldn't touch any thing from the top gurus with a 10 foot pole, Ryan Deiss especially. Too many skeletons in the closet in that crowd, or have already been exposed, not to mention everything about the guy just plain irks me.
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  • Profile picture of the author megadoc
    Guys - just one more software product targeting newbies - make an emotional pitch - charge enough to make a good (GREAT) profit - with information you can find for free or for much less - of course it's spun out over 8 weeks...that is a refund protection strategy.

    There is no magic course or software that is going to make you rich - unless of course you are selling the idea that perhaps YOUR course/software/coaching MIGHT make someone rich - if they buy it. Someone does get "Rich" - the "Guru" selling the course/software.

    Sure, there are cases where it works out for people - but they could of done it anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author thetruth23
      Originally Posted by sandysandara View Post

      Thanks for your direct & honest advice Zane.

      I'd spent a few hours over the last few days trying to find a reasonable critique on Ryan's PTF offer, all I seemed to find was blog after blog & IM websites mindlessly upselling his product.

      Yours was the first I found to offer reasoned & alternative options to all the PTF hype.

      Cheers.
      You're not going to get any reasonable critique.

      As far as I know the program doesn't end for another 5 weeks or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author oinky222
    nothing short of a "happy ending" from Paris Hilton should cost you $2k
    lmao thats hilarious
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  • Profile picture of the author somebody113
    any good???
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