What is the most effective way to outsource or automate SEO.

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What is the best course of action to automating SEO. I've been down that road and I hated it. Manually posting backlinks was just absolutely atrocious. I didn't have any software at the time and I imagine the whole process would have been much more manageable if I had some software. This leads me to my question: What software is the best in order to automate SEO.
Also is using software dangerous to my site? Is it likely to look spammy, etc? Would it be best to outsource the process? If so what is the best way to go about that?

Thanks A Million
-Andy
#automate #effective #outsource #seo
  • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
    Originally Posted by ASCW View Post

    What is the best course of action to automating SEO. I've been down that road and I hated it. Manually posting backlinks was just absolutely atrocious. I didn't have any software at the time and I imagine the whole process would have been much more manageable if I had some software. This leads me to my question: What software is the best in order to automate SEO.
    Also is using software dangerous to my site? Is it likely to look spammy, etc? Would it be best to outsource the process? If so what is the best way to go about that?

    Thanks A Million
    -Andy
    I am a link specialist and I seriously don't recommend the approach you are taking. My advice: don't go for cheap link spam, it will only hurt your site. Google is sophisticated these days and knows trashy link spam when it sees it. What you need is links that will rank you reliably and fast without getting your site in trouble. You can read this resource on links and link value. If you want results, you're best off hiring an SEO with access to power links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rysk
      Originally Posted by PhilipSEO View Post

      I am a link specialist and I seriously don't recommend the approach you are taking. My advice: don't go for cheap link spam, it will only hurt your site. Google is sophisticated these days and knows trashy link spam when it sees it. What you need is links that will rank you reliably and fast without getting your site in trouble. You can read this resource on links and link value. If you want results, you're best off hiring an SEO with access to power links.
      Philip, you keep on pushing people on this forum to hire specialist SEOs (your company?) to get links and do SEO. Isn't the whole purpose of this forum though to help the many amateur SEO's i.e. people who do internet marketing in their time to gain the tips, skills and advice they need to gain rankings on their own. Sure we could all hire specialist SEOs, I could walk down the road and ask the 888.com SEO department to work on my affiliate site but I wouldn't be learning anything, and my ROI would be in the many negative multiples despite the high ranking they would help me achieve.
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      • Profile picture of the author D Baker
        Originally Posted by Rysk View Post

        Philip, you keep on pushing people on this forum to hire specialist SEOs (your company?) to get links and do SEO. Isn't the whole purpose of this forum though to help the many amateur SEO's i.e. people who do internet marketing in their time to gain the tips, skills and advice they need to gain rankings on their own. Sure we could all hire specialist SEOs, I could walk down the road and ask the 888.com SEO department to work on my affiliate site but I wouldn't be learning anything, and my ROI would be in the many negative multiples despite the high ranking they would help me achieve.
        You are on the spot... I just went over 10 threads and in every one Phillip is recommending SEO specialists.
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      • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
        Originally Posted by Rysk View Post

        Philip, you keep on pushing people on this forum to hire specialist SEOs (your company?) to get links and do SEO. Isn't the whole purpose of this forum though to help the many amateur SEO's i.e. people who do internet marketing in their time to gain the tips, skills and advice they need to gain rankings on their own. Sure we could all hire specialist SEOs, I could walk down the road and ask the 888.com SEO department to work on my affiliate site but I wouldn't be learning anything, and my ROI would be in the many negative multiples despite the high ranking they would help me achieve.
        I do realize that I see things differently from certain other members here, but I am not "pushing" anything, merely speaking my mind. If you read my posts, I offer plenty of free advice to people who are trying to do their own SEO. However, when people ask things like "what's the best software to post automatic links?", it's already a contradiction in terms. The question itself reveals an assumption that is doomed. "How do I spam so it doesn't look like spam?" When I see such questions, I am reminded that anyone truly serious about SEO results should consider hiring a professional, it's in their best interests. They will learn more by seeing the professional's work than by asking naive questions in forums. Links are the toughest part of SEO, and effective link building is likely to be a stumbling block for the serious SEO amateur because access the right sorts of links is hard to find. One can buy quality links, for sure (this is better than pursuing free links), but the problem with buying links is that you are likely to buy trash unless you know what you are doing, and another problem with the same is that the link market is a slimy world full of dishonest webmasters. You pay for a link and it's suddenly removed, what are you going to do? Sue them? A hired pro just takes care of all that for you because he or she has and develops and grooms quality sites. It's virtually impossible for an amateur to replicate the same results (otherwise it would not be an amateur but a top-notch professional).

        The path open to the amateur is the white hat path. It works, though it requires a lot of patience. If you want to succeed in an online market, identify information needs and provide content on those subjects that is by far the best on the Web. Then people will naturally link to your site. That's all there is to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Durham
    I agree, the use of software is only going to be a waste of time in most instances.
    The type links they build are worthless and 1 good link will be better than 1000 of those types.

    Use your resources to hire writers and other SEO assistance as Philip mentioned imho

    Look in the Warriors for hire and view the ratings and testimonies.
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  • Profile picture of the author ASCW
    I'm not looking for software that will turn out spammy links. I'm sure this is what most software does, most software when it comes to anything is quite junky. However I've heard a lot of good things about SEOnuke. The fact you can directly control and see where the links are coming from and how many you are getting appeals greatly to me.

    I dabbled with Paul and Angela's backlinks for a while, I only stopped and canceled once I decided I was going to put SEO on the back burner.

    To clarify I'm not looking for a magic button that creates bazillion of links and shoots me to the top page, that is not possible. What I am looking for similar to socialmarker.com but software that submits what I choose to the bookmarking sites of my choice. The same goes for submitting articles, videos, and RSS feeds. It seems impossible that something like this whether in one package or several does not exist somewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author D Baker
    Originally Posted by ASCW View Post

    What is the best course of action to automating SEO. I've been down that road and I hated it. Manually posting backlinks was just absolutely atrocious. I didn't have any software at the time and I imagine the whole process would have been much more manageable if I had some software. This leads me to my question: What software is the best in order to automate SEO.
    Also is using software dangerous to my site? Is it likely to look spammy, etc? Would it be best to outsource the process? If so what is the best way to go about that?

    Thanks A Million
    -Andy
    Hi Andy,

    I think it depends firstly on what type of sites you are looking to build links for. If you have a main domain that you are looking to promote than maybe it would be best to find SEO Specialists and Philip recommends that will do the job for you.

    But if you are talking about affiliate niche sites and you have many of them than you may want to use the SEO tools that are available such as SENuke, SEOLinkVine, SEO Bluepring, LinkDozer, Bookmarking Demon and many more.

    I think that using Blog networks is a good idea and I think that the links you can get from blog networks are pretty good links, especially if those networks have PR Blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Durham
    There are a lot of people that will swear by SEONuke.
    The one thing I see with backlinking, at least true quality links, is that there is often another human on the other end of things. Especially for the more authoritative sites that can give a significant boosts in serps.

    But you're right, there must be a multitude of that type software.
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  • Profile picture of the author pyrmontvillage
    If you are in the business of making money. Outsourcing non core specialisations, is an exponential variable...and as part of your overall business strategy, should propel your business forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author jozzer
    Hi ASCW,
    I use a piece of software called Comment Kahuna. It's totally FREE and great for posting comments on blogs. You can post automated comments but I would recommend not doing this and post a comment that is relevant to the article. I have produced a quick training video on Comment Kahuna and it can be viwed here YouTube - Comment Kahuna Traffic Generation Back Linking Software
    I've increased my Alexa ranking on various sites using this software. I hope I have been of help.

    All the best,
    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Focused Action
    Originally Posted by dzoaffiliate View Post

    SEO is not that hard really. Basically you have
    - on page SEO
    - off page SEO

    Make sure you use Wordpress and install the 'all in one SEO' plugin (amongst the other standard ones like Site Map etc)

    for on page
    =======
    < h1 > keyword as title < / h1 >
    sprinkle 3-6 keywords on the page - no more

    off page
    =====
    One of the best ways is simple to create about 3-5 artcile on eZineArticles .com
    Maybe create a couple of Sqeedoo articles.

    That's about it.
    "That's about it" if your goal is to be on page 13 of Google SERP
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  • Profile picture of the author D Baker
    Originally Posted by dzoaffiliate View Post

    SEO is not that hard really. Basically you have
    - on page SEO
    - off page SEO

    Make sure you use Wordpress and install the 'all in one SEO' plugin (amongst the other standard ones like Site Map etc)

    for on page
    =======
    < h1 > keyword as title < / h1 >
    sprinkle 3-6 keywords on the page - no more

    off page
    =====
    One of the best ways is simple to create about 3-5 artcile on eZineArticles .com
    Maybe create a couple of Sqeedoo articles.

    That's about it.
    How many sites did you manage to get to page one in Google with the steps you mentioned? and if you did manage to get some sites to page one... what exactly was the keyword you were targeting?

    I think you over simplified the steps needed to rank in Google and for 99.99999% of keywords you will need a lot more that what you mentioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    In Philip's defense seo isn't something you dabble in if you want results. There are countless ways to get great backlinks to your site that doesn't involve forum spam or spamming link exchanges. They just take time to learn is all. For instance you can sign up for services such as UAW, My Article Network, Article Ranks, Niche Press Platinum and submit spun articles to them all with your backlink embedded on them. But even then to get good results from that you need to build up backlinks to all your backlinks. So for instance you can spin an article and submit the spins to the 600 sites on Niche Press Platinum. Then create another spun article and submit to Unique Article Wizard backlinking the sites from the Niche Press campaign. Then spin another and submit it to another service backlinking the UAW links.

    Learning to do all that effectively just takes time. So I don't think Philip was out of bounds at all recommending the process be outsourced especially since the OP asked about outsourcing.
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    • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
      All that spinning makes my head spin!

      I admit that automatic link building "works", and yes, I have tested it personally, though I won't tell you which software(s) I used.

      I would say there are two SEO models for online businesses: the permanent and the fly-by-night. They represent two different strategies. Under the permanent model, you build a legitimate, genuine permanent business whose website will be there for a long time, whose online reputation maters, whose search rankings cannot be jeopardized with risky SEO methods. The fly-by-night model, by contrast, says "make a profit and move on." You sort of expect to lose sites, have them banned and de-indexed by Google -- or at least you realize that risk and hedge against it by not putting all your eggs in one basket.

      The fly-by-night model -- (I won't say "black hat" because that's subjective) -- for me includes affiliate sites, PLR content sites, MFA sites etc. It is too spammy for my taste. This is where automatic link-building belongs. I don't want to sound like a high moralist here, but in all conscience we should admit that spam is a bad thing. I personally don't provide SEO for such sites. I do understand that such businesses can be lucrative, but I only provide SEO for sites that embrace the permanent model (and don't do the "3 Ps": poker, pills, porn). In the long run, automatic link building has a chance of hurting such sites, so I never build automatic links for clients. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong, believe me, with genuine contextual links in human-written content on high PR, trusted domains. They work very well!
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  • Profile picture of the author ASCW
    Phillip you have misunderstood what I have asked, and what I am about in nearly every opportunity you've been granted. I had started to write a long lengthy response but realized it could be simplified to one sentence.

    Phil: Would you say that socialmarker.com is spammy, or black/grey hat?

    Also:
    I admit that automatic link building "works", and yes, I have tested it personally, though I won't tell you which software(s) I used.
    So basically you show up in my thread saying that you know the answer to my original question, but then say "neener-neener haha you can't have it."

    Are you suggesting that I do everything seo related manually and by hand, which is fine if that is what you honestly believe.
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    • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
      Originally Posted by ASCW View Post

      [SIZE=4]Are you suggesting that I do everything seo related manually and by hand, which is fine if that is what you honestly believe.
      Sorry I didn't make it clearer than I could have, but what I meant to get across is that the answer depends on what kind of online business you have. If you are going after some quick low-hanging cache and can survive your sites being penalized, some automatic link building software seems to be quite efficient (unless you have a moral problem with Web pollution via spam). If, however, you are aiming to develop a long-term, permanent and legitimate online business and don't want to jeopardize your site, don't use automatic link building. That's my view. It's a bit more nuanced now, go figire.

      I have never used socialmarker.com, so can't say.
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      • Profile picture of the author NoGuru
        I've used Bookmarking Demon to automate some linkbuilding and it is a nice, quick way to get some extra links. However, I wouldn't rely on that alone (except perhaps for bookmarking Web 2.0 sites you use, like Squidoo).

        I also use outsourced help -- getting them to manually run through a site like socialmarker.com. I generally pay between $1 and $1.50 per URL for a full run through the sites (you have to haggle with the providers to get this, but I've had luck with bookmarkers in India and the Phillipines). Just be clear in your job posting that you aren't falling for the $20 per URL baloney (I now usually state that I won't consider offers above $2, so that cuts down my haggle time).

        I don't think any of this is "black hat". I've noticed big companies tend to write and re-write their own rules about what is "grey hat" so I don't worry about that too much. Following the old rules: I don't do anything dishonest or that I would be ashamed to see printed in the newspaper.
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  • Profile picture of the author billspaced
    Originally Posted by ASCW View Post

    What is the best course of action to automating SEO. I've been down that road and I hated it. Manually posting backlinks was just absolutely atrocious. I didn't have any software at the time and I imagine the whole process would have been much more manageable if I had some software. This leads me to my question: What software is the best in order to automate SEO.
    Also is using software dangerous to my site? Is it likely to look spammy, etc? Would it be best to outsource the process? If so what is the best way to go about that?

    Thanks A Million
    -Andy
    Hi Andy, all "SPAM moralizing" aside, I'll try to answer your question. There are some good tools out there for doing off-page SEO (basically, backlinks), one of which is SEnuke (but there are many others).

    There isn't necessarily any spamming necessary, but I guess it depends on perspective.

    What is better? Manually submitting a dozen articles or automating the process?

    I suppose if you have a problem with either, then the issue is article marketing and how you approach it.

    But if you believe that publishing your quality articles is a good thing, then why not automate it? The aforementioned tool (and its brethren) can certainly do that for you.

    PLUS, you decide how the interlinking is handled; it's all highly customizable. You can create linkwheels if you think that's valuable. You can randomize linking, or you can just point everything back to your "money site." It's up to you.

    People tend to take the "my road" approach to all this and draw conclusions based on very limited experience. Don't misunderstand that statement - I am NOT saying people here have limited experience. What I am saying is that what works for google rankings depends on your market/niche.

    Try getting to #1 on google for "internet marketing" as opposed to "how to improve your left-handed golf swing" - one requires a ton of traffic, authority, backlinks, age, etc., whereas the other may require 10 solid articles and a few dozen backlinks (I don't know the real figures - this is hypothetical).

    The point being that people have conclusions based on what has and hasn't worked for them. The web is freakin' huge and what works for KW1 may not work for KW2 and nobody knows google's algo (or anybody else's for that matter).

    So, decide on an approach, devise a strategy and plan, and go about it. Using automation vs. manual is akin (to me) to using power tools vs. doing things by hand. Both work. One can be very destructive if you don't know what you're doing, but it can also get the job done A LOT FASTER.

    Bottom line: If you were to simply automate what you were going to do manually, you have only recouped time/money and not really lost anything, right?
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  • Profile picture of the author quickregister
    I have been using Contentbuzz to help automate my SEO. It is not a spam tool at all. It just helps you organize. It also times your submissions to seem more natural and members of the network automatically bookmark each others sites gradually. Nice tool and definitely not a spam tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    Hmm things are pretty intense here.

    Aww well, you can easily find automation tools by first deciding on what kind of backlink methods you will employ. From there, you will do a simple search. If you do softwares, there is robosoft. If you do bookmarking, there is bookmarking demon. It will really depend on the promotion that you will do. With a little research, it will get you there.
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  • Profile picture of the author ASCW
    Say I wanted to build profile links, bookmarking, article and video marketing. Is there anything that does all of these in one? Or would it be better to get different software for each one?
    Any recommendations?
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  • Profile picture of the author Wiggy0618
    Bill has completely hit the nail on the head.

    The very first thing you need to do is devise your own strategy. This could be as simple as carpet bombing the appropriate articles directories with your articles, to devising very complex linkwheels that include articles directories, web 2.0 sites, video sites, sub-linkwheels and more.

    Whatever you decide to do, any sort of automation should merely be an extension of your strategy.

    In other words, your strategy should be something that you could carry out by hand in a manual fashion, regardless of how cumbersome it could become. Then, when you go the automated route, it simply allows you to perform the exact same processes, but in a quicker fashion and on a grander scale.

    Another way to look at it - if you wanted to accomplish your strategy in a less labor-intensive fashion and on a grander scale, instead of automation, you could hire a team of outsourcers to do the same thing.

    Bill's example of hand tools vs power tools is perfect, IMO.

    So in the end, if you wanna choose an automation software/service, as yourself what your strategy is, and will this automation service allow you to accomplish your strategy?
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    • Profile picture of the author billspaced
      Originally Posted by Wiggy0618 View Post

      Another way to look at it - if you wanted to accomplish your strategy in a less labor-intensive fashion and on a grander scale, instead of automation, you could hire a team of outsourcers to do the same thing.
      Right! I forgot to mention that one
      The cool part about that strategy is little footprint would left behind, if any, especially if you used different staff to do "projects" each time. This is one of the failings of "the perfect linkwheel" -- if you do your interlinking the same way every time, you will have a "Houston, we have a problem" moment.
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      • Profile picture of the author searchnology
        Just use SENuke, it will semi-automate what you are wanting to do.

        I personally think massive link buiding is spammy...spin and spin again doesn't add any value and you'll see waning results in the long term. If this is just a flash in the pan opportunity you are pursuing then go for it.
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        • Profile picture of the author SteveBaker
          Originally Posted by searchnology View Post

          Just use SENuke, it will semi-automate what you are wanting to do.

          I personally think massive link buiding is spammy...spin and spin again doesn't add any value and you'll see waning results in the long term. If this is just a flash in the pan opportunity you are pursuing then go for it.
          I agree that SENuke is the way to achieve what the OP wants. I suggest adding new content rather than trying to repost old stuff, most definitely. Massive link building of the same spun content is a bad idea.

          But it really is all about strategy. Some people use SENuke flat out wrong.
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          • Profile picture of the author billspaced
            Originally Posted by SteveBaker View Post

            I agree that SENuke is the way to achieve what the OP wants. I suggest adding new content rather than trying to repost old stuff, most definitely. Massive link building of the same spun content is a bad idea.

            But it really is all about strategy. Some people use SENuke flat out wrong.
            I want to touch on two points here:
            1. New content is king. There is nothing wrong with writing a post, adding it to your blog/site, and then also submitting it to your own accounts at "top tier" article directories. I know, here come the "duplicate content" crowd. But that's just crap.
              I wouldn't do this at more than a few ADs, but nobody is going to penalize you for distributing your content. If that were the case, CNN and yahoo news just would not exist. Just don't point your article posted over at EZA to your same post on your site. That would be silly.
            2. Strategy rules. I agree that a lot of people use SEnuke in a bad way. For one, they make it way too complicated. All these linkwheels drive me crazy. I really hope that the people who read about those don't follow them to the "T" for if they do, they won't see any positive results. You have to vary your "interlinking."
            The idea behind automation is doing more efficiently what you would otherwise do manually, either yourself or through outsourcers.

            If you want to spam the world, that's your deal, but that's not the intent behind automation, IMHO.

            After all, you could say that nuclear physics opened up a whole new world or you can say that it only created the know-how to do evil things.

            Reality: It did both. It all depends on the intentions of the person in possession of the technology.

            Do good or do evil
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  • Profile picture of the author alexbbbh
    Originally Posted by ASCW View Post

    What is the best course of action to automating SEO. I've been down that road and I hated it. Manually posting backlinks was just absolutely atrocious. I didn't have any software at the time and I imagine the whole process would have been much more manageable if I had some software. This leads me to my question: What software is the best in order to automate SEO.
    Also is using software dangerous to my site? Is it likely to look spammy, etc? Would it be best to outsource the process? If so what is the best way to go about that?

    Thanks A Million
    -Andy
    Link Building in highly competitive markets is not related in any form or shape to using software. Yes you can do research with software but that's about it. The secret sauce is in the guy that can put the pieces of information together.

    Now the thing is, to become that guy, you will need to go through a natural learning curve. Manual link building being just one of the many steps. This is how good seo's become good. They experience what's working and what's not firsthand and then they devise processes that concentrate on the things that are working.

    For the question:What software is the best in order to automate SEO. Pretty much none. I have software like xrumer in my arsenal that cost me $550 and nowadays I'm not using it at all. I have found that is not where the leverage is. Keep in mind though that I am talking about competitive markets.

    In low competition markets you can get results with software(if you wish to do it this way): something like senuke or xrumer(if you re advanced). But in the near future you're still going to need to adapt and do a more natural type of link building.

    For outsourcing, it's similar to having a project manager. He is in charge of the seo side of your business. He constructs the processes and then either does them himself or finds people to do it. The big problem though is finding someone that knows what he's doing.

    alexbbbh,
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Originally Posted by ASCW View Post

    What is the best course of action to automating SEO. I've been down that road and I hated it. Manually posting backlinks was just absolutely atrocious. I didn't have any software at the time and I imagine the whole process would have been much more manageable if I had some software. This leads me to my question: What software is the best in order to automate SEO.
    Also is using software dangerous to my site? Is it likely to look spammy, etc? Would it be best to outsource the process? If so what is the best way to go about that?

    Thanks A Million
    -Andy
    I know exactly how you feel. I was in your exact same situation not too long ago.

    If you're looking for software, the only backlinks you can build IMO, without SPAMMING, is software which submits RSS feeds, Social bookmarks, directory submissions, video submissions and article submissions.

    My recommendation for the software would be Incansoft | Experience The Difference Today!

    Incansoft is amazing, free updates for life, and I can guarantee you their software is cheaper than anywhere else. They have an incredible selection of software including everything I've recommended you do with software.

    I wouldn't recommend spinners, blog commenting bots, forum posters, or anything along those lines.

    And as far as outsourcing SEO to a "person", I would recommend outsourcing people build you linkwheels.

    I know that linkwheels have many definitions these days, but IMO, by outsourcing a link wheel, you have a person create a property at various web 2.0 sites including, wordpress.com, blogger, hubpages, squidoo and stuff like that.

    Have a 300 to 500 word post made at each property, with a link to the previous web 2.o property, and a link to your main site.

    That's all I outsource personally, you can't trust anyone to build your backlinks properly without causing you problems.

    PM me if you have any questions, I'd be glad to help.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephan231
    I agree with PhilipSEO, using any backlink building that has very little of spamming will only hurt your website, I found that no matter how good you hear about any software in the market to achieve those good results of backlink building and driving traffic to your website but eventually it will have bad impact on your website ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author teganhale
    I normally use:
    Backlinking sites (stumbleUpon, Redgage etc)
    Links between hubs
    Participating in forum
    Social sites
    Promote on own blog

    This 5 is something I always use.

    The best is till backlinks which i see the most 'returns'.
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