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Hey Guys,

Has anyone tried this service?

I read one member of this forum recommending it but i am not sure if i will get penalised for blasting 2000 links to my site over a couple of days....

The domain is nearly 2 years old and currently has around 400 backlinks, what do you guys think?
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
    Originally Posted by pcsmarketing View Post

    Hey Guys,

    Has anyone tried this service?

    I read one member of this forum recommending it but i am not sure if i will get penalised for blasting 2000 links to my site over a couple of days....

    The domain is nearly 2 years old and currently has around 400 backlinks, what do you guys think?
    2,000 genuine or genuine-looking links will not hurt you. Google looks at your whole link profile and measures how well deversified it is. Sites go viral all the time and gaining links rapidly does not hurt them.

    That said, 2,000 instant profile links sound like a very bad idea to me, not to mention that they are junk in and of themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author pcsmarketing
      Thanks for that.

      Can i ask why you think its such a bad idea?

      Is it the fact that it will be 2000 links all at once? Or is it the fact that they are junky links?
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      • Profile picture of the author Shane F
        We've bought 8 packages from Don and Jeremy. Massive jumps each time from the link packages. We have only bought the 2k package and couldn't be happier with the results.

        Have used the packages in several niches and sites of varying age and backlinks and no issues with any site, only increased rankings.

        -Shane
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        • Profile picture of the author pcsmarketing
          Originally Posted by Upstate Cowboy View Post

          We've bought 8 packages from Don and Jeremy. Massive jumps each time from the link packages. We have only bought the 2k package and couldn't be happier with the results.

          Have used the packages in several niches and sites of varying age and backlinks and no issues with any site, only increased rankings.

          -Shane
          Thanks for that. How many of the links do you find are picked up from google, etc...?
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      • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
        Originally Posted by pcsmarketing View Post

        Thanks for that.

        Can i ask why you think its such a bad idea?

        Is it the fact that it will be 2000 links all at once? Or is it the fact that they are junky links?
        As you can see, this depends on who you ask. To me, things are a bit more subtle than Tom here suggests. The way I see it, such links in such quantities skew the nature of your link profile: they are 2,000 junk links of the same kind. This can be detected either algorithmically or by the human eye. Algirthmic detection in and of itself this probably near-perfectly safe (I am guessing, mind you), just raises one red flag out of many that need to be raised for your site to come up for manual review at Google. The chances of this are small, but don't believe those who say they are zero.

        Whatever you do, you are probably safe until you are nowhere in the SERPs. Start ranking high for something, and the chances of your competitor's SEO digging into your case grow exponentially. Mind you, I am saying that you will rank highly for anything competitive because of the links in question (I am pretty sure you won't), but if you are getting any good links you may well be ranking because of this. So your competitor reports you to Google. Then there are two possibilities. One is that Google ignores the complaint, so you are fine. The other possibility is that they take a close look at your site.

        Many SEOs will tell you that external links to your site cannot hurt you. I used to believe that myself, and I still think this is largely true. However, the fact remains that the Web is full of reports of sites being penalized for links. Those reports may be inaccurate. They say what people perceive as penalties are merely devaluations of links. This theory does not explain the fact that once a company tries to clean up its links and applies for reconsideration, many of its rankings can return. There are many reports to this effect on this web too. If there was no penalty imposed by the manual review of a site, why do rankings return?

        The truth is, no one outside Google knows its internal workings. That said, what I strongly suspect happens is that a manually imposed penalty is indeed a devaluation of link power, but it's a devaluation that is very broad, and it includes your good / genuine links. Your site's rankings drop because of this (not because links than had no power to begin with suddenly lose their power). Once you apply for reconsideration, you are again reviewed manually, some of those good links may be rediscovered and their link juice turned back on.

        There are often violent disagreements in the SEO world about whether or not external links can hurt you. Take a look at this interesting thread:
        Google: "Probably Possible" 3rd Party Bad Links Can Hurt You - SEO Chat
        I know all the people participating in this discussion, and I assure you that a number of them are kickass world-class SEOs with lost and lots of mileage. It may seem to you that they are arguing about whether external links can hurt you, but in fact they are only arguing about how this may happen. (Reminds me of "guns don't kill people, people kill people," blah blah). You may not have the patience for the whole thread since it turns into a personal squabble, but it's instructive to take a look anyway.

        All this may well be irrelevant to your website at this stage. Just keep in mind that whatever links you build to your site will be there for a long time. If you are trying to build a long-term serious online business (as distinct from a fly-by-night affiliate crap site or MFA or some such), I recommend a certain level of link hygiene.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by PhilipSEO View Post

          As you can see, this depends on who you ask. To me, things are a bit more subtle than Tom here suggests. The way I see it, such links in such quantities skew the nature of your link profile: they are 2,000 junk links of the same kind. This can be detected either algorithmically or by the human eye. Algirthmic detection in and of itself this probably near-perfectly safe (I am guessing, mind you), just raises one red flag out of many that need to be raised for your site to come up for manual review at Google. The chances of this are small, but don't believe those who say they are zero.
          it seems like this is the "threaten everyone with Google manual review week" here at WF

          Does Google sometimes do a manual review? Sure, but as has been stated many times, if you could simply be penalized for incoming links it would be too easy to destroy all of the competition and raise to the top. With programs like Xrumer, it really isn't that hard to throw 1Million+ links at a site today.

          Originally Posted by PhilipSEO View Post

          Whatever you do, you are probably safe until you are nowhere in the SERPs. Start ranking high for something, and the chances of your competitor's SEO digging into your case grow exponentially. Mind you, I am saying that you will rank highly for anything competitive because of the links in question (I am pretty sure you won't), but if you are getting any good links you may well be ranking because of this. So your competitor reports you to Google. Then there are two possibilities. One is that Google ignores the complaint, so you are fine. The other possibility is that they take a close look at your site.
          As has been stated endlessly across the internet, the purpose of the report spam function of Google is to help Google work on it's algo, not really to go after individual sites. It seems to me like you telling everyone here that if a competitor hits the "report spam" button, their site will end up on Matt Cutts desk tomorrow. The odds of that happening are remote.

          Could it happen? Of course it could. I could also be drafted by the Yankees tomorrow as a starting pitcher. In any event, even if they do decide to do a manual review, at worst we are talking about a devaluation of the links.


          Originally Posted by PhilipSEO View Post

          Many SEOs will tell you that external links to your site cannot hurt you. I used to believe that myself, and I still think this is largely true. However, the fact remains that the Web is full of reports of sites being penalized for links. Those reports may be inaccurate.
          Many of the IM forums are full of knuckleheads, who unfortunately, misconstrue everything. They have a new site, had 6 backlinks and the site takes a dip in Google, and they post about their experience about getting "Banned by Google."

          Originally Posted by PhilipSEO View Post

          They say what people perceive as penalties are merely devaluations of links. This theory does not explain the fact that once a company tries to clean up its links and applies for reconsideration, many of its rankings can return. There are many reports to this effect on this web too. If there was no penalty imposed by the manual review of a site, why do rankings return?
          First, there are so many factors that affect a site's rankings in Google the only way to properly analyze a given site would be to get a full picture both before, after, and during any drops. Perhaps the site itself sold links, or linked out to bad neighborhood sites? Maybe the site had malware on it? Maybe it had been down for awhile and Google smacked it for it. Considering the number of knucklehead IM guys in various forums, i'm sure some of them thing the Tooth Fairy knocked their site down too.

          Again, it all comes down to applying logic to the situation. Unless google knows for a fact that a site has control of a given incoming link (unless the site was both registered to the owner without privacy protection and you are interlinking your sites, that should not be an issue), Google cannot penalize the incoming links. One can listen to these dolts, or apply logic. I'll go with the latter approach.

          Tom
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          • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
            I have looked carefully into a documented case of a 200 domain link farm being de-indexed by Google along with some of the domains that were using their services. It was reported by a competitor and Matt Cutts personally looked into it. You can read about it on the Google blogs.

            There's other evidence cited by respectable others.

            I agree with Tom that the chances of getting caught are not too high. Unless you are stupid, we might add.
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            • Profile picture of the author facehead
              Just purchased it, will wait and see how it turns out and post back here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by pcsmarketing View Post

      Hey Guys,

      Has anyone tried this service?

      I read one member of this forum recommending it but i am not sure if i will get penalised for blasting 2000 links to my site over a couple of days....

      The domain is nearly 2 years old and currently has around 400 backlinks, what do you guys think?
      Haven't used them but you won't be "penalized." These old wives tales are the kinds of things that make lots of the IM forums garbage, IMHO.

      I often blast that many profiles to my sites and the process works quite well.

      Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author awarum
    The service offers Profile links. You are simply wasting your money. Do article marketing first and use that service afterward. Links from blog/articles are worth more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
      I disagree with the above statement that the profile links are a waste of money

      I have 3 sites that over the last 2 months have put just a little over $600.00 in my pocket. Up until I used MakeBackLinks service I wasn't making a dime from any of the sites. And I'm still making money every day from the sites. Also one other thing the sites are still on page 1 and the 3 rd one is on page 2.

      One site was buried and couldn't be found, but moved way up in Google and 2 others ended up on page 1 in 2 different niches.

      The following is an excerpt from Makebacklinks.com FAQ:

      "Although all of the backlinks are built at one time, we do not ping the links that are created, creating a situation where these links are found by Google and the other SE's in bunches at a time. From the extensive testing that we did on our own sites prior to rolling out the service, we have found that it can take two to four months for all of them to be discovered and indexed. Because of the gradual nature of the activity, it appears as natural link building to the SE's."

      Full Disclosure: I am now a working partner with MakeBackLinks.com, but the above information on my sites happened before I became a partner.

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      • Profile picture of the author ptwain
        I also used this service on one of my niche sites, and my site jumped to # 1 in about a month(was on pg2, when I started campaign). Currently stands between #1 and #3 because i'm battling some strong competition sites.

        Profile links do work but their not the be all end all of link building. The key to ranking is to build all types of links.(ie- links via profile links, social bookmarking, linkwheels, article directories, videos, etc, etc) over a period of time. When you builds like that it ends up looking natural, and without question your site will move up the google food chain.

        Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Softlan
      Iam using an article submitter, if I do 3-4 articles a day. Will that hurt my site ?

      Originally Posted by awarum View Post

      The service offers Profile links. You are simply wasting your money. Do article marketing first and use that service afterward. Links from blog/articles are worth more.
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    • Profile picture of the author angelx
      Originally Posted by awarum View Post

      The service offers Profile links. You are simply wasting your money. Do article marketing first and use that service afterward. Links from blog/articles are worth more.
      Thats good advice. Content links give you more of a boost
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Paul you are absolutely right that profile links are not the be all to end all in backlink marketing. A well organized campaign including, videos, press releases, articles, forum posting, Social Networking sites and the list goes on and on.

    Thanks for pointing that out in your post Paul.

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  • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
    I use them frequently. However, I find they work best with established sites that are sitting on page 2 or 3. I've had a few of those tpyes of sites shoot right up to the top 5 positions on page 1.

    That being said, with newer sites that have less content I find the results to be less gratifying, never the less, since profile links are part of my linking building "cocktail" I will continue to use them.
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    • Profile picture of the author pcsmarketing
      Originally Posted by InitialEffort View Post

      Last 2k package I did 42 got picked up by yahoo.
      Only 42, that seems hardly worthwhile....
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    you need to remember that it can take from 2 to 3 months and sometimes longer for all the backlinks to be picked up by the SEs.

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  • Profile picture of the author hsmw
    not to mention that they are junk in and of themselves
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