What's the Deal With...

by rbf738
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I don't understand how some guy is topping google search for a term with an articles base article when checking his backlinks to it he just has a couple dozen profiles at various (non related) websites ranging from car websites to travel websites (the niche is video games) and the profile are empty save for being stuffed with hyperlinks to his various articles like the one listed at number one for the search time which started me on this whole thing.

How does he or anyone have a number one spot with a bunch of garbage links, doesn't Google... I dunno... work?
#deal
  • Profile picture of the author Brian Kerr
    Google is a mysterious creature sometimes. Like a woman, you must learn to ride the emotional currents, and wait for the full moon to disappear.

    Seriously though, backlinks from top sites can really raise your ranking tremendously. If you think its bs, take some time and set up those same accounts and do it yourself... see if it works for you... then if it is soo awesome write a WSO.
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by Brian Kerr View Post

      Like a woman, you must learn to ride the emotional currents, and wait for the full moon to disappear.
      But Google doesn't react to a nice dinner or a box of chocolates.
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        But Google doesn't react to a nice dinner or a box of chocolates.
        A nice dinner and a box of chocolates for a woman, is the sign of a desperate man... The woman will run...fast!..... just ask David DeAngelo
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      • Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        But Google doesn't react to a nice dinner or a box of chocolates.
        The ones I've met as of lately don't either
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  • Profile picture of the author rbf738
    My article is in the exact same spot on the bottom of page two of serps and his is still in the middle of page one. I copied some of his backlinks, a few of them already are shown when I check my backlinks. I stuck to the more generic sites for creating profiles plus the links, I didn't create a profile at like the GM fan forum or couple of other arbitrary sites... that's just retarded and I can't believe he's still outranking me considering I'm still showing a dozen more links than he is.

    He added a couple of new links in the time since I last checked, one from a Susan Boyle site and another from an Ecommerce site.

    Is this seriously what passes for link building these days... creating empty profiles at random websites with tag/hyperlinks back to your article in the bio section of your profile?
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    • Profile picture of the author Carlsbadd

      Is this seriously what passes for link building these days... creating empty profiles at random websites with tag/hyperlinks back to your article in the bio section of your profile?

      Yes it does and it works well depending on certain factors.
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  • Profile picture of the author GR Marketing
    Those links while unrelated probably come from high PR domains which are dofollow and are passing serious link juice to his article. There were many backlink packets being sold here before the rules got changed which gave huge lists of these profile sites and forums to get links from.

    Instead of banging your head against the wall and trying to reinvent the wheel why not make profiles on all those sames sites since its obviously working?

    Sometimes its great to be unique in our business, but when it comes to things like SEO where 80% of the results are determined by off page factors link inbound one way links, getting as many backlinks as you can from even unrelated websites helps a lot as you can see.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Part of the backlinking game. You did good for backtracking and if you want to fight the fight, jump into it as you've done. Word of caution though..wait until you run up against a competitor who is using xrumer to spam out their backlinks...good luck fighting that one.
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  • Profile picture of the author rbf738
    Fair enough.

    I've done most of his links and I'm still on page 2 and he on 1, that's fine for now, but what I don't understand AT ALL is I see there is another article from Ezine on page one from a different author (original guy's article is on articlesbase) which is obviously outranking mine but in checking its backlinks all he's got are links for Ezine, NOTHING ELSE and I've got plenty of links from other sites like the articlesbase guy's links in addition to Ezine and he's still on page 1 while I'm one 2. I really don't understand that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    What's his content like?.... Good?
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane N
    Is this a joke?

    Google will not push your article to the top, ahead of your competitors' just because you go out and copy their incoming links and have a few more links than them...

    Google's algorithm has decided that your competitor's article is more relevant than yours and there's not much you can do about it.

    Instead of putting SO MUCH effort into ONE article... Why not concentrate on getting more volume of articles out there, so that one eventually DOES stick to the top of Google... With a lot less effort.

    Best,
    Shane
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by Shane Natan View Post

      Is this a joke?

      Google will not push your article to the top, ahead of your competitors' just because you go out and copy their incoming links and have a few more links than them...

      Google's algorithm has decided that your competitor's article is more relevant than yours and there's not much you can do about it.

      Instead of putting SO MUCH effort into ONE article... Why not concentrate on getting more volume of articles out there, so that one eventually DOES stick to the top of Google... With a lot less effort.

      Best,
      Shane
      Are you serious?...

      Just wonderin'

      It makes more sense, if you spend some time with your more important articles.. to gain them extra backlinks and strength.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shane N
        Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

        Are you serious?...

        Just wonderin'

        It makes more sense, if you spend some time with your more important articles.. to gain them extra backlinks and strength.
        I agree with you Jay... I just mean it's not so black and white. For example:

        If you are looking at an article that is ranking better than yours and has 10 incoming links... You cannot expect that upon having 11 incoming links to YOUR article (or even 15), that you would automatically rank higher than them...

        There are OTHER contributing factors... That's all I was saying... Didn't mean to offend!

        Best,
        Shane
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        • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
          Originally Posted by Shane Natan View Post


          There are OTHER contributing factors... That's all I was saying... Didn't mean to offend!
          No offence taken, Shane... It's a discussion forum, differing opinions are the order of the day..

          I also agree with you....that MUCH more is to be taken into account before backlinks are to be considered... hence my question to the OP.. what's the content like?
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    • Profile picture of the author rbf738
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      What's his content like?.... Good?
      Neither the articlesbase article or the ezine article is all that good. The ezine for example is barely above the minimum word limit, has misspellings. I've been writing articles for Ezine for a few years now so I know about keyword distribution and all that and what it takes to basically write a good article. My article is also from 3 months ago whereas theirs are just a few weeks.

      The one thing I will say that they do different from me is the keyword begins the article title whereas I started the keyword in the second word. That's small but I'm willing to believe at this point it's making a difference. I just repinged my original article and bookmarked it so maybe google will take notice of the work i've done over the past few days.

      Originally Posted by Shane Natan View Post

      Instead of putting SO MUCH effort into ONE article... Why not concentrate on getting more volume of articles out there, so that one eventually DOES stick to the top of Google... With a lot less effort.

      Best,
      Shane
      I did that for a long time, targeting a ton of keywords and writing a ton of articles hoping that something would stick with less effort but it hasn't worked for me so I'm trying this method now which is in part why I'm being so anal and asking so many questions about it. I'm sort of using this article out of several as a test sample to see what I can learn.

      I'm also creating other links than those he puts out there, I just figured I'd try a few of his to see how they work as I'm not accustomed to creating arbitrary non-relevant on any level links just because of their PR so figured I'd see how they did.

      Thanks for the help and insights all!
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  • Profile picture of the author ContentYogi
    Originally Posted by rbf738 View Post

    I don't understand how some guy is topping google search for a term ?
    How long has he been there? This could just be the big G dance for all you know...
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  • Profile picture of the author rbf738
    So as an update, I've been creating about 5 links on average to that article along with a whole bunch of other articles as I do hyperlinks back to my articles on forum sites that'll take them. So basically I sign up, fill out the links in my profile for several articles, ping, then hit another forum. I'm being specific here as I have a couple of questions so wanted to be clear as to what I've been doing.

    2 BURNING Questions:

    1 - I checked the backlinks with Yahoo for the article of mine in question which I'm following. It appears that it isn't showing a single new link which I've added since I last pinged the original article, do I need to ping the original article EVERY time I add a single new link to it for the changes to take effect? It seemed like last time I had to ping the original article before the changes took place. If I'm doing this with a whole bunch of articles, that's A LOT of constant repinging necessary to see results so if someone could answer me that I'd appreciate it.

    2 - In checking the SERPS, MY ARTICLE HAS DISAPPEARED COMPLETELY. I was on Page 2, then page 1 last time I checked a week or so ago. I've gone all the way through page 16 and can't find it. Typing in the URL in google it still comes up, twice actually, once for the article then one that's "feeds.ezinearticles/my article's URL". I can find a VERSION of the article which I edited and resubmitted to other article directories on page 5 and 6, but not the one on Ezine which I've been building links to. This is deeply disturbing considering the work I've put in as that says less that I need more links and more that I've been penalized or something.

    YET with a different article which I've been link building to on the same forums, I'm still in about the same location on page one as I was when I last checked it about a week or so ago. So that leads me to believe that I wasn't penalized otherwise both articles would be in the crapper? The only thing I can think of is the competition is stronger for the first article and perhaps someone "reported" me somehow on it... no that doesn't make sense.

    I'm really lost on this one.

    *Edit*

    I've checked the other article, the second one I referred to in question 2, and found that it's links were roughly the same as the first one's, so basically I guess pinging can update search engines but really Google finds them eventually after a few days itself if you give it time since I never pinged that second article to begin with. This has nothing to do with why my original article disappeared, but good to know just the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      I would advise you not to fall into analysis paralysis.

      If you, me, or anyone could figure out why and how Google ranks so and so page, we would all be millionaires by now, maybe billionaires....All we can do is make educated guesses.
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      • Profile picture of the author rbf738
        Originally Posted by Dellco View Post

        I would advise you not to fall into analysis paralysis.

        If you, me, or anyone could figure out why and how Google ranks so and so page, we would all be millionaires by now, maybe billionaires....All we can do is make educated guesses.
        I agree in a situation of noting and sweating a change of position 4 to 5, but when an article disappears altogether I just want to know what's going on.
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