Thanks for opening this thread. I think it's a good idea to bounce ideas off one another here without exposing any trade secrets. I am still struggling with keywords and hope more members tune in here.

You may want to check Wrap-Up Keyword Research chart dated 24 Aug 2010 at the Live SEO Challenge site.

I find the explanation there is a lot clearer than all the previous videos and transcripts. What is not explained there is that you need to click on (+) located on the right side of the box to move to the next step and click on (-) on the left side to return to the previous step.

I hope this helps.

Thanks for opening this thread. I spent 5 hours doing keyword research following the instruction to the letter. Then the next day there is an extra validation type PDF and in there it says something along the lines of if the 1st result does not have the keyword in the URL and has a page rank higher than 2 then its no good .

This blew every single one of my keywords out of the water but if we had this information the day before then I would not have wasted 5 hours .

Then suprise suprise after we get an almost impossible criteria for choosing keywords comments are closed

When I emailed their support it said it didn't recognize my email! This deal has me sorry I got into it. I replied to the registration letter and asked for a refund. They said I had to wait until the challenge was over! It was supposed to be live but it's not.So far, I am not impressed.

Hey guys Im gonna be setting up a Skype group if I can figure out how ! I dont have a lot of time to manage something that will take a lot of time so Im hoping this wont take a lot of effort. I will post back more details on this thread which I hope is not deleted.

Hi everybody,

I submit tickets to their help desk suggesting for a forum where we can communicate. Apparently, they advised that there is already a forum at the help desk.

Participants may want to check at the help desk. Go to the KNOWLEDGE BASE tab and you'll find the forum there, or rather it is the Forum. There are 5 sub-topics: Announcements, Tips & Tricks, General Help, Community Help and Feature Requests.

Currently, there are 9 posts under General Help. All the rest are empty.

I tried to click on the Community Help button, but could not find any button for posting. I have already asked them how and awaiting for response.

Regards
Ramli

The Live SEO Challenge Skype Group is now set up. Im just testing this out because if get to busy for me to handle then I cant afford for my other projects to suffer so lets just see how this goes.

To gain access search skype for Live SEO Challenge. When requesting access I need to know the answer to the following which can be found at - Day 5 Keyword Research Validation Part 3.

Fill in the blank to the sentence that ends .......then you dont need to worry about ____ Market Samurai / Adwords keyword tool match. That should be easy enough to answer so long as you paid for the course.

Please do not just message me on skype saying "Im part of the SEO challenge" or something along those lines because that means nothing. I have given specific instructions on how to join in my previous post. This has been done using my own time and I dont have time verify everybody that does not follow the simple joining instructions.

This is for the benefit of all members of the challenge so we dont have people in there just for fun who have not paid for the original WSO.

Thanks

Good news is so far 2 people have made their way into the chat thread for in case we are no longer able to chat here.

Also with the password protection, we know it is only paying members in there, here are the instructions again:

SEO challange Chat

It is password protected. The password can be found under 'Day 5' There is a part that has been edited and it says:

(xxxx searches per month)

The xxxx is the number listed on that page after you login. enter that and it will give you access to chat

P.S - Yes I know I spelled 'Challenge' wrong in the title was in a rush

P.P.S - if you comment needs approval after you post and it doesn't show, I will approve it as soon as I can. It is 11:30pm here & I will be heading to bed soon I think

It made me curious because of the bold guaranty statement, but boy, am I glad now I did not get into it. I hope it will work out for you guys in the end. I hope you learn something new.

I know that for some this is good as they will finally take action and do it. They'll have the extra motivation since they paid for it For those, the cost is going to worth it.

This is the main problem most are dealing with, lack of action, stuck on learning and learning... I know I've been there too lol

Cheers!

I also found that the keywords I found did not meet the criterion once they put up the final requirements. Why weren't they all listed at once so people didn't have to waste time? I have not been able to find something with the number of searches they recommend that qualifies now due to the restrictions they put on position 1 when you analyze further. Probably if you don't find this they won't give you the money back guarantee. I'm not even sure why that position 1 criterion is so critical as being position 2 or 3 seem fine.

I am frustrated that they closed comments and that the additional 100 comments on the day that was opened have not been responded to at all. When I wrote support with keyword questions I was just given copy/paste from the pdfs rather than an explanation and clarification as I had asked. Since so many people are still stuck with the problems of narrowing down the keywords after their last day of the additional criterion, they should first iron out this problem .

Debbie

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For those who are struggling with the keyword research like me, you may want to consider checking the video tutorials provided by Market Samurai.

I found them to be very refreshing! These videos definitely compliment those provided in this challenge program. There are 9 videos on keyword research and I watched all of them. In the Intro video, it mentioned the four golden rules and they are:

(1) Relevance
(2) Traffic
(3) Competition
(4) Commerciality

Wow, after watching all these videos I feel that I know so much better now than before on keyword research. This would definitely assist me in the Live SEO Challenge.

I am off to do my keyword research. I know I am rather slow, but I want to make sure I get over with this keyword issue before I proceed to the next steps because the keyword research step is very important..

there's been no new videos since last week. thought we were supposed to be given m-f? would seem a course like this would be already setup to have vids ready to go. I feel delayed.

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LoL- just logged in today to see what's up and it's another day of 'sample articles.'

They are so vague on some of most crucial parts of their keyword research, which can really make or break this whole system... yet we are spending half a week on these 'sample articles' which IMO are pointless anyways.

Hi guys. I appreciate there is an enormous benefit to keeping this thread going so people can really see what these guys and their over hyped and over promised WSO are really all about.

If you guys are interested in freely discussing this then I have set up a forum at IM Niche| Live SEO Challenge Once registered you will need a password besides the one given in registration. The details for the password are as follows

The password can be found under 'Day 5' There is a part that has been edited and it says:

(xxxx searches per month)

To keep up with the discussion here, this a post I made on the forum which I will paste on this thread


"Here is where Im at right now. I still want this to work believe me I do. Now I have spent $88 and further $24 on 3 domains. If I push for a refund now I lose $24 no big deal and I'll take it as lesson learned.

Or I could go and shell out a further $30 plus on articles and whatever other outsourcing is required further down the line as well as a bunch of man hours. I have no problem with that.

However I lost faith in these guys I dont know if they're the real deal or not. These guys couldn't run a bath never mind a IM course. Im very unwilling to invest any more time or money into this because I dont trust them. Ever since they started hiding behind that help desk I had a bad feeling.

I cant believe the only way I found out about not having any videos was through a third party. That is completely unacceptable.

My finger is hovering over the refund button right now but I'll wait a few hours before making up my mind "

Is there anyone that is pleased with this WSO and doesn't feel like he was scammed and robbed of 88$ ???

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ehh since everyone is stating their dis-satisfaction with this challenge here are my two cents:

It's called the live seo challenge but from a customer/consumer point of view there is no difference since there is zero interaction implemented/allowed.

they said it was going to be five minutes a day (or 30 minutes before you get good at it) ..not too sure what to think of that..not really an issue for me as long as they deliver

missing days/comments disabled - this is the most irritating part of the challenge. First comments were disabled now there are no uploaded videos. Yes i saw the e-mail but we are paying customers and right now it feels as if we are being left in the dark.

I just want to finish the challenge and hope that everything comes through in the end.

I don't think it's a scam, but poorly poorly organized and done.

Don't loose your money.Analise before buy.

"Nobody is being ripped off and anybody crying foul at this point I can't take seriously."

I've taken lots of WSO courses and this one's the worst by far! Instead of producing videos, they're probably vacationing in Spain with our money! And I'm dead serious!

I bought into this just to see if it was possible to get a brand new site making $200 a month. I have many adsense sites already and don't really have time to be doing the homework. I just wanted to see what they were doing different. However there is absolutely no way they will make $200 this month from the site unless there writing about 50 articles while aiming at getting each article ranked highly.

To be honest I am not going to bother with a refund but I know for a fact that many people will if they don't hit the target. If thats the case their account will be shut down for too many refund requests.

Its better off waiting to see what the results are like and then making a judgement. As for the 5 minutes a day thing, you could easily do everything they say each day in 10 minutes.

What is the "loophole"? I never saw an explanation of exactly what this is. And does anyone find the mind map confusing? This is what we are suppose to be going by and not the video, right? So we are now looking to rank in the #1 position and not the top three? And we don't try to outrank anything over PR 2? And what is the dotted line going from the "no box" telling us?

This Live Challenge pretty much suc*****

I seriously doubt anyone will learn how to make $200/m.

What I learned is how to ask people for $88 and than how to waist their time with a very poorly organized challenge/course/or whatever they call this thing they created.

I am so disappointed with this purchase and all there excuses wouldn't change the way I feel...

Anyone asked for a refund yet?

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The problem with marketing courses such as this, is the big G can change their algorithm at nay minute, making what you were banking on null and void

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I'm just coming back to this from being away for a bit, but looks like they did follow through on posting a video each day this week.

I too was part of the 30DC 2 years back or so but I wouldn't try to compare it to this.

My first site I made with it was pretty weak looking back, but it still made a little money with adsense, despite being poorly optimized and a host of other mistakes.

I wish I would have stuck with it though and kept on going instead of losing interest, and giving up on it, otherwise I would probably be a lot better off than I am today.

So I'm just going to stick with this and see how things pan out.

Guys has anybody managed to get a refund yet or even a response to a refund request as I know a number of people have put in refund requests.

I was told to wait till challenge is over before I could get a refund.

I was told to email them again after the 17th, because that is when the money will be released to them by Plimus. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

I decided not to wait for them and opened a dispute with Plimus. Will keep you updated about the results.

I wonder when someone from the SEO Challenge will make an appearance here...

There was an error in my previous post which I have corrected now. Because of the error the full sentence may not have made sense but just to confirm I have had a full refund from these guys which I am very happy about.

Quite a few people have asked how I got the refund so Im going to copy and paste what I wrote in my forum.

"In a previous post I stated that I would email them every 24 hours until I got my refund, this was to pile on pressure.

Then just ask them every 24 hours for a refund again but in a different way from the previous.

eg. my 2nd ticket started something like. Following on from my previous refund request I have still not heard from you and would at least appreciate a reply here are my reasons again ……

eg 3rd ticket. Guys do you have any morals or integrity why are you ignoring my refund requests and those of others, you have not delivered as promised on your sales letter reasons being ….

At the end of each refund request I demanded a full and immediate refund.
Hope that helps.

If they have refunded me then you can use that as a basis to get your own refund. There is no reason that they should refund one and not the other"

I am following the instructions but wondering whether we can really make $200/month with just one straight line ad.

Can we apply the techniques in a sub domain?

I wish I had used PayPal for this. But if these guys don't refund my money i'm going to takeit up with my credit card co. I wrote them again yesterday. I can't go through support because it says it doesn't recognize my e-mail. What a low class operation.

I am persisting with the challenge. My issue with them is not so much the material presented, but the teaching of that material. They backed themselves into a corner with the dishonest promise of "5 minutes a day", and seem to think that if their video goes for about 5 minutes then that validates the promise.

The result of these abbreviated teaching videos is inadequate teaching, in my opinion. I personally don't care if the videos take 30 minutes or even more, as long as they explain PROPERLY the steps required in any given task.

The problem is that someone can be an expert in their field, but that doesn't mean that they are an expert teacher, and this principle applies online and off.

Good luck to all,
Adrian.

I submit my refund request again as per Ella say fund will ...on 17/9

Still no reply yet

I am still in it, I will give them the full 30 days that the course takes... If it proves to be b.s. then I will be back to let everyone know. I can say that the support defiantly needs to be stepped up though. I have had a couple of issues and it is never a quick response.

I checked the other day or so what the deal was with Plimus and they're not like paypal where it's instant receipt of payment. It's a full 30 days, hence why they probably asked to wait till the 17th.

For those who are planning to see this through and want to form a group to exchange knowledge and help each other out PM me your skype or add me @ greene _ kelly

One of the main biggest things that pulled me in was the fact they would take an adsense blog from scratch and get it $200 a month while we watched and copied.

What a complete lie that turned out to be.

I really hope the rest of you get your money back. Im not too sure about Pilmus but if you paid by Pay Pal then try not to request a refund through Pay Pal as you will most likely be turned down then they will be under no obligation to refund you.

Get in contact with your bank or credit card company or as I said earlier just bombard them with refund requests.

why is lanta, tan, ella not reply here?

P/s: got reply from Ella, for refund process must done via

Oh if things don't work out I have a new forum I can set a private area for you guys (didn't buy the product though). Prefer to see whether things are ironed out first. Not having a forum seems odd to me.

But then again judging by the comments might not be anyone left in the program anyway.

I have been lurking on this thread and trying keeping up with it. I bought this WSO because it not only seemed like it may help me become more diverse by using Adsense, but Dan's recommendation weighed heavily.

I am not going to go into great detail, but the overall content is good in my opinion. Just the presentation of that information and the support sucks...to be blunt.

I actually found the first website I created using their system has reached #10 on Google this morning. I think with a little effort I can easily take over number 1.

I find it hard that people are asking for refunds even before the Challenge is over. But to each their own. I am sticking this one out and I hope it pays off for me in the long run.

@Mike Anthony - I am hoping the techniques in this Challenge do help my business in the long run. I am testing with this first site. It is doing well and climbing the rankings. I have 2 more keywords chosen and domains secured.

Wow! Seems like the "hate topic" on LiveSEO Challenge is getting hot and hotter!
Hey wso friends out there and some others LiveSEO members, I'm also participate in the challenge but recently stuck in Day 19 - Build XXX.

My personal view on LiveSEO challenge so far
1) This course is not meant for total newbie, frankly speaking. Because whatever they told us in the 5min videos, is short and simple. *They pretended you pre-understood it.
2) The support system from Ella - Too bad. They are trying to answer your ticket as fast as possible but not cleared enough.
3) The material about building LW on Day 19, is not up to date. Some web2.0 properties is closing down and stop registration. And they don't specified either use follow or nofollow anchor text.

As for today, I have stop in Day 18 and wait for further materials to be posted before I progress. Personally, I'm making small incomes in adsense and understood the basic of SEO.

Did I learn something new? Yes I do.
Did I satisfy with the material so far? 5/10
Will 1 domain target 1 single keyword can earn $200/m by the website itself? May be yes, may be no.

What I forsee here is, with just 1 single keyword targeting a domain based on GOOGLE traffic itself, would be difficult to generate $200/m in adsense. I believe the traffic is a combo of organic, direct and referral.

Making $200/day per domain in adsense is not easy, it would take countless of trial and errors. Even today, I did make $2/day for 1 website but it is not consistent. For me, the true way is SCALEUP.

Gang, this is just my own perception. Nothing to do with George, Daniel or whoever.

The problem is this.

They promised one thing and delivered another. Now if the alternative is very good do you get mad and demand a refund. Thats the big debate.

I supsect this will split people right down the middle. I can see many people like six string above who will say I followed and got some results Im happy.

I can also see many people like me who will want a refund. You see I already have a number of systems for ranking sites that do well as well as a number of experts I can ask for help. Im not saying Im an SEO guru or anything like that but I didn't just want to buy another SEO plan regardless of whether it worked or not. I'd like to make my own mind up as to whether I need another SEO system because thats all I seen. I wanted to buy extactly what was stated on the sales page and nothing else.

Granted if they fell short in one or two areas that was fine by me but this was like buying steak and getting fish.

still no new lesson uploaded!

I put in a paypal dispute as my plimus payment went through paypal. Then I e-mailed plimus to let them know I had done that and gave them the information of the PP Dispute number etc. Support from Plimus wrote me back to fill out their own support form. I wrote that all the information was already put into the paypal dispute form so I didn't think this step was necessary (it was just a canned e-mail they sent me anyway). I am not sure what the next step is or if anything will be done. Plimus wrote they are a 3rd party processor. Nonetheless, the payment in paypal was to them and it seems that people are being told to contact Plimus. Does anyone else have any progress on this?

Debbie

I was told to contact plitmus too. I did so 4 days ago and not a word...

Hah. It seems like the reason they offered a 300% money back guarantee is because they knew nobody would ever be able to get a refund period with Plimus.

This looks more and more like a scam everyday. And I noticed a post from Mr. Tan yesterday in this section of the forum. If I were you guys I'd go after him.

If you guys want some answers, check here: http://askdanieltan.com/ - For those people who bought this because of his endorsement, - If you bombard him with enough emails, maybe he'll do enough to help you guys get a refund as he did to persuade you to purchase in the first place.

no more new lesson provided?

Hello fellow sufferers,

I have just sent the following query to Daniel Tan via the link posted above by Jacob.

"

I am still following this course as i have outsourced the articles and while there are still lessons being published i will stick with it.
I think problem on here is people get the herd mentality and beause one person asked for a refund everyone else copies rather than trying to make ir work.

If you cant afford to invest $88 in your business then you are doing something wrong.

If and when i see this is going nowhere i will ask for a Paypal refund as i have 60 days but until then i am happy following it.

more people that drop out means less competition for me!

If you look at my post number 175 above, you will see that I sent a query to Daniel Tan. I have received the following reply.

"Hi Adrian,

I do not run the course. I said it was good because I know George is an SEO guy, so I actually joined as well to learn what he has that I don't already know.

I am still following. I will send your enquiry to him.

Thank you.

Daniel Tan"

I am actually persisting with the course as well, and I will not attempt to get a refund unless I am convinced after some time after the end of the course that it has achieved little or nothing in terms of increased profit.

That doesn't mean that I am satisfied with the conduct of the course though. It has been badly taught in my opinion, and we have not been looking over their shoulder while they produced a site that makes $200 per month, as we were led to believe, and as for the 5 minute promise...well, that was just silly, and I never really believed it anyway.
You may describe me as a dissatisfied but persistent consumer of the product.

Adrian.

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Anyone getting a refund from these guys ?

I received a refund today via Plimus.

Brian

Hi guy. Just receive email from Plimus today say that my money have been refund. Lucky can get back my money.

received my refund today via Plimus as well...

why I ask for refund?

their promise=

any keyword? U must be joking....anyway, Good luck for those takes the course

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Hello,

If you have been following this thread then you know that I tried to use their support to request a refund.

Then I tried a second time as requested by their support, on Sept 17th.

Then I was told to go directly to Plimus. I went to PayPal instead. I filled a dispute with PayPal. The next day I escalated the claim. Within hours they, PayPal, refused my claim based on their terms of service. Quality of digital products.

On 9-21-10 I opened a claim with Plimus.

Today, 9-23-10, I received an email from Plimus stating that they have issued a full refund. I just checked my PayPal account and the funds are showing. They are headed back to my debit card.

I hope this information helps someone else out. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I won't be checking this thread any longer.

Good luck. And for the ones that seem to want to continue, I wish you good luck too. I hope this is your key to making $200 a day. I wish it had been mine.

Steve

Is there any time frame for getting refunds?

This is just a thought but maybe, just maybe, George's real name is Daniel???? Hmmm...scam a bunch of people under a different name and still be able to cash out afterwards cuz there's no real loss of reputation. If so, is minimal and nothing a quick appology won't cure such as: "I'm sorry for backing such a bad product. I had no idea it was gonna turn out this way. I thought George was good guy. I paid to follow along too. I really regret making such a bad referral."

And Matt on the video, well he is just a video production specialist who gets paid to do videos. Does anyone remember a few months back when product came out selling the service of producing videos?

Just a thought....I'm gonna go get my refund now.

The only reason I am so wary about this is that he has not come here to answer everyone's concerns. I hate to ask for refunds, but I may just have to in this case. The setup is so horrible. There is not clear day 1, 2, 3 etc. They broke up the stuff over a couple of days, promised stuff they did not deliver, and refuse to show themselves here. Poor all around.

As I said in a previous post (183), I had intended to go the distance with this course, but in view of the fact that they appear to have abandoned their students, I think it is about time for me to also apply for a refund.

I am going to do the course by Ed Dale, called "The Challenge", which has a track record going back a few years, apparently, and which looks to be professionally run by people who are accountable. There is a forum on which people can become involved in any interaction regarding the course, and the videos, from what I've seen so far, look to be well structured and clearly articulated.

Oh...and another small point is that the course is FREE! It can be found at "challenge dot co/" (not sure if I'm allowed to put links here or not).

All the best,
Adrian.

Will the person that now has a $200 a month adsense site please stand up

Plitmus answered me and gave me a link and said request refund through that link.
I clicked at and got a big PAGE CANNOT BE FOUND
Anybody else have the same experience?

Are any of you guys and gals going for the 300% refund after following the entire course (wishfull thinking I know) or just a regular refund. Obviously a straight refund will be easier to get as Pilmus or Pay Pal can issue that but I presuming these guys are gone underground and wont honour the 300% refund even if you have followed everything.

Also I think the mods should reopen the original WSO thread so we can all leave feedback and let everybody know what a %$$$** he is incase George resurfaces with another WSO who has remainded deadly quiet throughout all this.

what a shame!

And I thought we can fully trust Daniel Tan. "Oh, Daniel recommended it, then its a no-brainer". And now, we lost our brains.

Post a question to helpdesk Ella about the course last week, didn't have any feedback so far, I assumed they have run away. LOL. Refund before it is too late.

Hi Warriors,

If you have bought SEO Live Challenge and not entirely satisfied, you are free to ask for refund. I am not behind this Challenge. For the past 4 emails I sent George, he has not answered. I was hoping George gave me some explanations, but I have waited too long. I am as lost as you.

I recommended earlier because I know George as one of the SEO provider and I am personally interested as well in what he has to offer. My word on the thread turned many people into the offer. I deeply apologize for it, from now on, I will place my recommendations more carefully.

This course turned out not meeting what it promised, if you wish to withdraw, you may proceed with a refund now. I am sure Plimus will honour your request.

Again, I am not part of the organizer. This is NOT my product.

I do sincerely apologize to you if you got onto this course because of my recommendation and found this a total disappointment. I promise, I will place my recommendations strictly selectively in the future.

Thank you.

Daniel Tan

Guess I am having the same problems as everybody else. I found this thread looking for a place to voice my concerns.

Has been no day update in almost 2 weeks. Has been a couple of filler updates here and there but no real update in weeks.

I have also been waiting weeks for tech support because several of the directions are highly unclear throughout the challenge.

Then when tech support does answer my questions half the time they end up contradicting what is later revealed.

Not happy with this

How can I request a refund from Plimus? I no longer have my email where i made my purchase cause it got lost when i moved servers.

Do you guys think it would be best just to file a credit dispute with my card company?

I didn't want to go through my credit card company, but after a week of trying to communicate to help desk or support without success, I just file a dispute with my credit card company and got my money back in less than 6 minutes.

It depends on your credit card company's dispute claims policy.

In my case, I just stated that the merchant did not keep its end of the contract agreement.
They sent me a claims form via email; I filled it out, signed it and faxed it back to them.
My account was credited $88 before I had completed the form. Done.

I would not try to get a refund through PayPal because they do not protect you well against digital products. Also do not escalate your dispute to PayPal, it will automatically side with the merchant (because PayPal doesn't cover digital products at this time). You may want to check with PayPal refund policy updates concerning digital items, for they may change from time to time.

If you had filed a dispute with paypal, then just leave it as is and wait for the merchant reply back status. If the merchant does not reply back within a certain time period, then paypal will automatically side with you.

Since Plimus will be the merchant's representative in this case, I don't think they will give you a hard time in refunding you, since they are a third party provider and will side with you in this case since the merchant did not held up his end of the contract.

If you have not request a refund yet, I would go through Plimus first for a refund. I have read that a lot of people had success dealing with Plimus directly instead of paypal.

Merchant
Plimus
support @ plimus.com
1866-312-7733

Also you can initiate a refund through email with the receipt you had received from Plimus through paypal. http://www. plimus.com/jsp/escalate_issue.jsp?ref=XXXXXXXX the X will be the 8 digit Order Number you will use to replace the X place holders.

Emanuel

Okay guys, I'm confused. I ordered the SEO Challenge through PayPal using my credit card. On my credit card statement it says PayPal *Plimus under the transaction description. Next to that is a phone number for PayPal customer service. Do I request a refund through PayPal or Plimus? If Plimus how do I contact them? Going through my credit card company won't work as they say I must not have fully paid for the purchase. What a crock that is.

Thanks,

Jack

I guest this program is

How do I contact Plimus?

Some of you guys got your refund in one day? I just got this
email from Plimus concerning my request for a refund:

You have reported a problem to Plimus related to your recent order of Live SEO
Challenge - Limited Offer Full Version.

This action has triggered our Dispute Resolution Process that enables you to
communicate with your Vendor through the dispute system.

Our objective is to resolve the matter to your satisfaction as soon as possible
by providing both parties an opportunity to communicate on the matter.

The Vendor is given a week to make a response to your initial message. After
that, you are asked to reply within 5 days of his response.If the Vendor does
not receive your response within 5 days, we assume that you are satisfied with
the answer and automatically close the dispute.

If the dispute is not resolved after 2 weeks, it will be reviewed by the Plimus
team to progress towards a final resolution.

We understand that this may require time and thank you for remaining patient and
courteous throughout the process.

If you are not obtaining the results you are looking for through the
communication with the vendor, please let us know and we will enter the
resolution process directly.

Wow, and here i am still trying to get a refund and getting nowhere!

Guys I really dont think we should turn this thread into a witch hunt against Daniel Tan. Even though it was not his product he was the only one out of that shower that decided to come to this thread and give his side of the story in any role he had to play in this.

I challenged Daniel on what was on my mind and he responded. Please try to keep it constructive and not just random rants and Im sure Daniel will be happy to explain what it is you want explained.

No need to rant against him. Just ignore any future endorsements and products.

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I subscribed to this course because I wanted to compliment what I am doing now. I look at $88 dollars as an investment, the truth is that most people (including me) already have WAY too much "digital inventory" on their hard drives as it is but I wanted to see what else this had to offer.

The template they provided I will gladly test and I have just the juicy niche with fat CPC kw to test it out on! Thanks @ marksinclair I will make sure to include my privacy policy.

I personally, like @ Dave d, enjoy KW research so the amount of time it takes to do that doesn't bother me at all so no problem there with it being a longer process than 5 minutes.

I REALLY think they were trying to show us how to create articles quickly to submit to article directories, article creation may have been the 5 minute a day part of this project.

Maybe they should have named it accordingly and the expectation level wouldn't have reached the dizzying heights that it did.

With the proper article template one can create an article in under 10 minutes once they get used to the creation process. It seems like it could go hand and hand with their adsense template... so I guess these were the steps they wanted us to follow:

1) KW Reasearch

2) Create Adsense Page

3) Throw traffic at it through Article Marketing

the 5 minute part is creating fresh content (daily) through articles to get your adsense site to move up in serps. Daniel Tan knows about SEO so would this make sense? Heck, I imagine if you chose to syndicate those article puppies through RSS Aggs you could be getting a nice stream of organic traffic.

I am saddened that they apparently chose to abandon this project without any explanation. God Bless 'em is all I can say. I did find some value in the course so i don't personally consider it a complete bust but I am a little thrown off by the apparent "ship abandonment" part of this whole deal. Again, sad.

On another note, I'm "testing" something for this month and if all goes well, I will share my results... be forewarned though, this stuff IS work and it isn't hardly a 5 minute deal but if my calculations are correct it could be some very nice paydays involved... and yes it is scalable so I'll check back in with everybody.

RT

I have no issues with Daniel Tan as he has provided me with excellent content and I imagine he will continue to do so. As a matter of fact, he provided me with a replacement copy of Rank Mover as I lost it due to issues with my laptop... no questions asked and with a hurry he replied to my request so great customer service there!

My I got an email that my refund has been granted. So persevere, guys.

I came here to post this also. Aside from all the other reasons people have pointed out as to why this course did not live up to its promises or being misleading this is the most telling that it was not legit.

Thanks I filed a dispute 5 days ago, received an email 3 days ago stating they would refund if there was no response, and was getting impatient so gave them a call and they refunded me right away.

And just in case it wasn't obvious to anyone, "Matt" was obviously a voice actor hired by "George."

Got the number from the recovery tool. Thanks for the link

What is the best way to go about this? Creating a dispute or calling them up and flat out asking for a refund

WoW!!! Great Tip EmanuelR.

I submitted my refund on 9/26. Received the email to wait a week. Then nothing happened and today just read your post here and followed it. I just called them on the phone and got the refund IMMEDIATELY!!! I mean IMMEDIATELY. After I hung up with them the funds were in my account. Even banks don't work that fast when I deposit money. LOL..

For all those that need refunds follow Emanuel's advice. Hope you all get your money back. Make sure this guy gets to keep nothing as he didn't deliver what was promised.

@ Daniel -
I don't blame you for the fallout here but I do blame you for such a crappy recommendation. To make a simple recommendation like "good program check it out" I'd be ok but you sold it as if it was your own product. C'mon 3 emails in 3 days promoting it...and to say you you have no stake in this??? Very hard to believe.

Yes it is our own responsibility to check out the product. Yes no one put a gun to our head to buy but you have built yourself a reputation and with that comes responsibilities. Carelessly making recommendations and backing it with your rep, you should be man enough to take the good and the bad. So don't whine and complain about the backlash because you deserve it for making a bad biz decision. Man up to it dude. I still have my doubts about the truth of this whole situation but thats my opinion.

You're welcome Micheal and Kelly,

I am happy I can help. I'm delighted it worked for you all.

Hopefully everyone else who are having trouble getting their refund reads the tip.

At least on the positive side, people are able to get their money back in time.

Please do not delay filing a dispute for a refund or wait too long.

Mes amis, bonjour from France...

The last time I looked at the challenge was 23 September... after which, I enjoyed/endured the various experiences of a quick helicopter lift to an emergency cardiac operation followed by several days of intensive care.

So I return to the challenge with a somewhat different perspective.

There are many and various reasons why communication with the Live SEO Challenge may be poor... and I will not be trying to defend them.

But, having read through these posts and observations on success or the lack of it, I cannot but help get a feeling of "self-fulfilling prophecy".

As I understood the original offer, this was to be a programme that would help the person with average intelligence and, perhaps, little SEO skill develop a web-site over a period of 30 days.

By the end of that 30 days, the individual should have developed some key skills following instructions provided by the sellers in web site creation, SEO and web hosting services.

The sellers also said that they would provide a template for the website that, from their own research, would be good for ad-sense earnings with a click through rate of circa 20%.

The sellers indicated that, having once published this web-site, it should go on to produce an increasing revenue stream. By the end of 90 days this revenue should be in excess of $200 per month.

Now, in my view, so far George and Matt have kept up their end of the offer. They have provided me with the instructions and indicated which resources are appropriate. They have given me direction and provided a template. (I'm not saying that I always, straight away, understood those instructions - but with a little further research and willingness to learn on my part, I have progressed.)

At the end of 30 days I now have a published web site and continue to follow their direction on how best to generate traffic.

Is that not what George and Matt offered?

Is that not what Daniel Tan supported?

Prior to this, I had never invested in a WSO, I did not know these two gentlemen and was only vaguely aware of Daniel. But for the cost of $88... I think that an investment in education well made...

Will the site generate $200 a month in ad-sense revenue? Only time will tell.

However, I expect that George and Matt will continue to direct me.

If, at the end of 90 days, I am not achieving the income stream indicated, then, and only then, might I feel it appropriate to invoke their guarantee.

bon continuation

further thought Those of you who have already requested your refunds may have just shot yourselves in the foot.

I was willing to see the SEO Challenge through to the end without asking for a refund so long as I received the entire course and thought I received valuable information on setting up adsense sites that made me just $50 per month. So far what I got was confusing and sometimes contradictory information. But of course, the final straw was that for some reason the promoters of the SEO Challenge decided to not even finish the course and not even bother to give an explanation! Why? I've purchased dozens of WSO's over the past two years and have never seen anything like this. This looks like outright fraud. These guys should be banned from ever promoting a WSO on the Warrior forum but I'm not sure that is going to happen. Does the Warrior form have a policy of dealing with those that commit fraud?

I finally got a refund from plimus. It was actually taking them so long (7 days) so what I did was open another ticket via customer support. I simply stated that my refund was taking too long to process and in just a few hours I got my refund.

Hopefully everyone else got their refunds.

Tintin4u, a lot of people have already opted for a refund maybe you should do so as well. Not sure if they will even continue on with the lessons as majority of the members already decided to leave.

I was wondering what was going on. Thanks for all the advice on how to go about getting a refund.

Anyone else thinking of starting a live seo challenge? How's about $10 with no guarantees, sold through clickbank (so no problem about refunds). You only need to state adsense earnings of $10+ a month are possible. I bet you would get loads of takers. There must be some guru out there who could do that and make some of the people here happy?

Hey...Has anyone looked at the Challenge site lately? Would you believe they have made a post? It says this:

" Hi guys,
Here’s the final material that was supposed to be uploaded last week!
As promised these videos are in the exact same format that we gave to our outsourcers (we just re-shot them in a higher resolution).
Feel free to take these videos and distribute them to your virtual assistants or outsourcers. Additionally, since we’ll be updating our own outsourcer training videos, just swing by here every month or so when we update these videos. (The idea is that by using these last videos and instructions which will be updated, you’ll be able to maintain your website’s rankings and status for infinity).
Additionally, we’ll be sure to send out email updates when something changes.
Good luck!

Download Process Map

Download Link Request Outsourcer Training Video "

Are they serious?

Just out of curiosity I actually watched the videos. It looks like they even outsources the video making as many of the blurbs weren't worded correctly. I cant believe they want us to give this crap to our outsourcers. If I gave them this S&^* I'd be in so much trouble.

And they had audacity to ask us to log back in every once in awhile because they want to release more crappy videos like this to us.

I don't get what they are thinking?

Whoopee! Got my refund.

Sounds interesting Jacob. I have PM'd you.

They just updated again lol.

I believe the only one saying that was George

yes, they really put up another video and I really dont understand where the "secret seo" stuff should be? So far, everything has been basic stuff.

I've sent you a PM ( i believe you can receive them) with contact infrormation. Please contact me. Based on the responses I am getting We will begin early next week - Monday/Tuesday

Pms all sent. had no idea so many people couldn't send PMs. Anyone who can - please don't post here about my offer to teach SEO - just feel free to send me a PM. Like I said I don't want to derail this thread.

Hi Mike,

Can you please PM me your info I still can't PM yet.

Thanks

Mike

they won't let me PM you either...can you send me the info? thanks!!!

I got my refund today.

I am still struggling with keywords and hope more members tune in here.

Atya, honestly, from the feedback I am getting, I wouldn't use their template at all. Sending you a pm.

I went ahead and got my refund.. I really wanted to give it a shot but too many failures on their side. Going many days at a time with no new vids or info combined with very bad support. There is too many good programs out there to put up with their b.s.

How can I join. I am an ex-live SEO challenge member. And I cannot Pm because of my amount of post.

This thread will probably be deleted, why do not you form your own group of Skype, where you can meet and share the results, etc? It's free and easy. You can check that signature so that members can join their group challenge Skype. But I agree with Jill, and I would be pist!

Signed up now, thanks Mike.

Anyone having a problem seeing the videos? I can't get them to work.

Can someone please inform me as to how you went about requesting a refund and on what grounds the refund is granted as the helpdesk does not function at all anymore (something about the software license has expired) so I basically can get no help / response from George or the Live challenge so what is the point to continue really. I am not impressed at all.

If someone could let me know. Thanks

Thank you for opening this thread. I think it's a good idea to bounce ideas with each other without exposing any trade secrets here. I'm still struggling with keywords, and I hope more members to an amount here.

Hey Mike. I never got a pm from you about your course.
If you are still doing that it would be awesome

Alright A lot of people have been PMing who didn't get in. It has started but some people are still getting going with the tools so if you have participated in this thread or can prove you got ripped from that offer I will open it again to you. We'll wait for you.

Not in this thread now by this post and no other proof sorry - no go.

I have been following a guy named Spencer who is doing a similar thing BUT his is totally free! He not only tells you what he is doing, but you also to get to see his site as it builds up. I have been following this for about 8 weeks or so, and his website has just brought in the first income. If you have been stung by the Live SEO Challenge, go and see how it should be done and for no cost whatsoever. BTW I haven't got my refund yet

Anyway here's his link. It's a blog with the latest results at the top, so scroll down to the bottom, click the Read Older entries so you get back to week 1:
Niche Adsense Challenge |**Earn More with Google Adsense**

Hello Mike i am logged into IMrocket but i do not see any videos or any class?

thanks for your help.

For those that signed up for the free SEO traffic class as a result of the challenge - everyone seems to be up to speed now and we are going on to lesson eight. So make sure you log back in. If you haven't logged in since October then I will eventually assume you won't be working through to ranking your site with us and may delete you. Thanks.

Hey anyone here got a refund!!!

I am going to ask them for refund!!!

The challenge was not that good and cleared!!!
Please let me know if any one got there money back!!

Hey please can some one help me in getting refund!!

I need it..

Hey i had opened a dispute on Plimus.
They gave me message: Forced resolve - Please contact the vendor directly to resolve these issues -

What should i do now?

I have emailed to given email id.

Villa7,

You might have to kiss that money goodbye. Looks like over 90 days since you purchased it (according to the WSO thread it was offerred in). Even banks sometimes won't help when you wait that long.

Oh!!

I have opened a dispute in plimus. Can i get a refund?

Actually what is WSO and its significance

Thank you for opening this thread. I think it's a good idea to submit their ideas to each other here, without exposing trade secrets. I'm still struggling with keywords and hope that more members tune here.

Thank you for opening this thread. I think it's a good idea to submit their ideas to each other here, without exposing trade secrets. I'm still struggling with keywords and hope that more members tune here.

it's too bad this course is closed
am i right ?

I think it's a good idea to bounce ideas off one another here without exposing any trade secrets.

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