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9 Sites De-Indexed - Is Class-C Hosting The Answer?

by PeterGF
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Last year I had 9 sites de-indexed in one night by the big G! They were autoblogs simply posting Amazon posts on a daily basis. It was a tried and tested strategy I was following from a respected Warrior after buying his WSO.

For some reason, 'G' decided that it didn't like the sites and de-indexed them all. I can only assume that because they were all using the same set-up, the same themes and were on the same hosting account (i.e. same IP and nameservers), 'G' saw them all as being the same type of blog from the same source and that's how it identified them before getting rid of them.

Now I want to create some similar blogs but, if 'G' identifies them and decides that it doesn't like them I want to minimise the chance of them all being de-indexed.

Would multiple C-Class IP hosting (seo hosting) be the answer here, as from what I understand, this would limit the connection between the blogs to only those in the same C-Class IP?

Any experience/thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    So hold up. you built nine sites that google saw as worthy of being shut down and you want to kow about building the same kind of sites again? How about trying something different than what got you shot down before?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      So hold up. you built nine sites that google saw as worthy of being shut down and you want to kow about building the same kind of sites again? How about trying something different than what got you shot down before?
      Note that this is not necessarily true. If you read many of the reports, it seems like Google has de-indexed sites linked to one person (whether by Analytics or Adsense or whatnot), even when some of them appear to be quality. That is, Google sees a few bad eggs, and just zaps the whole lot of them.

      Maybe with only 9 Google went through them 1 by 1, I don't know. But it seems to me that it is pretty plausible that if Google starts going through a group of sites linked to one owner and they don't match up to Google's quality guidelines, that Google might just kick them all out, rather than continuing going through all of them.

      Therefore, I wouldn't necessarily conclude that Google saw nine sites worth of being shut down. At least a few of them sure. Just sayin...

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      • Profile picture of the author PeterGF
        Mike: I said that I wanted to create something similar, meaning autoblogs. This was a new concept to me at the time but is one that apparently was, and still is, working for many others.

        The key issue here is that Google saw these blogs as coming from the same source, so my question related to what options are available to achieve the goal of keeping sites less obviously connected in any way.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by PeterGF View Post

          Mike: I said that I wanted to create something similar, meaning autoblogs. This was a new concept to me at the time but is one that apparently was, and still is, working for many others.

          The key issue here is that Google saw these blogs as coming from the same source, so my question related to what options are available to achieve the goal of keeping sites less obviously connected in any way.
          -Private Whois (or Domains by Proxy with GoDaddy)
          -Sites on different IPs (preferably c-class diversity)
          -No adsense on them (or use 9 different accounts:rolleyes
          -No google analytics (or use 9 different accounts)
          -no google webmaster tools integration (or use 9 different accounts)


          I would still like to know though if you had Adsense or Analytics on any of them as a previous poster asked.

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          • Profile picture of the author adamcm
            Hmmm this sounds new to me. I actually have a few sites that come up in the SERPs sometimes other times they don't (but are still indexed). I have a Webmaster Tools and Analytics set up for all of my sites under the same account. Five out of 6 of my sites are hosted under the same location (i.e. using Addon Domain). Should I be seperating my sites as well?
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            • Profile picture of the author creyes3
              Originally Posted by adamcm View Post

              Hmmm this sounds new to me. I actually have a few sites that come up in the SERPs sometimes other times they don't (but are still indexed). I have a Webmaster Tools and Analytics set up for all of my sites under the same account. Five out of 6 of my sites are hosted under the same location (i.e. using Addon Domain). Should I be seperating my sites as well?
              hhmm i got the same question
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              • Profile picture of the author PeterGF
                Tom: Thanks for your comments. They reflect the conclusions that I had reached.

                To help others:

                Private WHOIS was on all domains - although I have read that Google can look behind the privacy to see who actually registered it(?).

                The sites in question did NOT have Adsense on them, but as far as Analytics is concerned, to be honest, I tidied up my Analytics account about 6 months ago and I'm not sure if those sites were included, but I think they probably were as I was using Analytics for a lot of my sites at that time.

                Also, I did use the webmasters tools for sitemap submission to help get the site indexed - not something I do anymore as I find sending a few backlinks much more effective (and safer).

                One of the lessons I have learnt here is that if building autoblogs that use a similar set-up, it doesn't pay to bring them to Google's attention through using their tools/services.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by PeterGF View Post

          Mike: I said that I wanted to create something similar, meaning autoblogs. This was a new concept to me at the time but is one that apparently was, and still is, working for many others.
          Got you pete but the reality is unless you pinpoint what got even one under the microscope you run the risk of a loss of income. Next time might not be all of them but just the one really working for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        No sweat tom but the Op indicated they in fact were all of the same nature
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    "For some reason"? It's pretty obvious why they got de-indexed IMO...

    Anywhoo, did you have any of the sites in Webmaster Tools and/or Analytics? Or did they have AdSense on? It seems this is the method Google use to work out whether you have >1 site.

    But yeah, if you don't have them in the same Google Account and use class-C hosting (and possibly private WHOIS) then they won't be de-indexed all in one go.

    They'll be de-indexed one-by-one instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author KirkMcD
    Here is what you have to ask your self before you try again.
    Were these sites making you money?
    Much more than the hosting and domain fees?

    If the answer is no, try something else.
    If the answer is yes, rebuild them under new domains.
    You might want to use different amazon ids next time.

    Also as you mentioned, don't point them out to google.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    How did you verify they were de-indexed? Sometimes they are still there but just not showing for any searches.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

      How did you verify they were de-indexed? Sometimes they are still there but just not showing for any searches.
      search for the domain
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      • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        search for the domain
        This is not the proper way to check is a site is de-indexed. Searching for the domain name does not always bring back that website.

        To see if a site is de-indexed you have to type this below:

        site:domain.com
        Replacing "domain.com" with your domain. Make sure not to put any spaces anywhere in search term.

        You should read this post which is in this sections faq - http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...e-indexed.html
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Originally Posted by PeterGF View Post

    Last year I had 9 sites de-indexed in one night by the big G! They were autoblogs simply posting Amazon posts on a daily basis. It was a tried and tested strategy I was following from a respected Warrior after buying his WSO.
    I cannot fathom a fellow warrior telling you to do 9 sites like that.

    My fellow warriors have turned me into a different feeling about scraped
    content, but it has to be value-driven, Visitor-oriented, etc.

    Your sites were probably junk in the eyes of google. No offense is intended
    or any personal riff. There are "junk" and "useless" sites, but they are not
    in the business of perpetuating and populating a junk site. Grandma Minnie
    with her one post blog that has nothing on it will not get de-indexed.

    Grandpa Mickey with his 9 scraped autoblogs trying to skew search
    results will be de-indexed.

    There are autoblogs and then there are autoblogs. No warrior here
    would(should) ever tell you to set up 9 autoblogs unless there was some
    caveat to go with it. That is, guidelines. This trusted warrior would have
    tossed a little more into the mix of autoblogging.

    If I was going to do 9 autoblogs, different servers would not even be
    my first or tenth issue to deal with.

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  • Profile picture of the author clickbumped
    Ok. You should try doing something different because if all sites got de-indexed then you definitely did something very wrong. Google isn't THAT mean and even small (<20 pages) sites will be left alone as long as they have heplful and unique content. If you had some sort of RSS generated page that ran automatically then you run the chance of it being de-indexed because there's no point of having that content on your site, because it's already somewhere else. If that's all you had was someones elses content then there's your problem. You have to write your own content.
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    *I am not Scott Blanchard. I just thought this name was cool. =p

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  • Profile picture of the author minternet
    Sounds like you're doing something automated with content. I would just your sites more legit and natural, and you shouldn't have that problem. If you linked all 9 sites together, that would throw a flag too without being on separate class C IPs.
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