you have to own the entire first page on google

Dylan K

14 years ago

good advice for the amateurs here (I hate the term newbs)

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

You don't have to own it all...... but it's a good idea - why not if you can..

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JRCarson 14 years ago

I like the advice. You definitely need to have the attitude, "I am going to own the first page!!".
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Steve Faber

14 years ago

That is a nice, synergistic approach. Not only do you stand a chance to get nice results in the SERPS for each web property that you control, merely having strong sites ranking for a KWP with the proper interlinking strategy will help them all rank highly too, by virtue of having highly ranked sites with links form other highly ranked sites.

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jesda

14 years ago

To get on the first number one page on google result is not easy if the keywords are so much competitive but if we do proper seo on anchor text link to it then it is more value to our money site.

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ZaraK

14 years ago

You know what? As a consumer, I skip the hubpage, ezine, squidoo et al entries and go digging back further for what I need. I automatically look at where that link is coming from to determine if its a "credible" link before I even click on it.

Why? Because I know those are all just flashing neon signs along the highway to my end result. I knew this before I even got into investigating IM because every time I landed on one of those sites the intention of the writer was very, very clear.

I want my end result, not the flashing neon signs.

Clearly, there are a whole bunch of really stupid searchers out there, but is that your target demographic?

Maybe it is, in which case you're using the right approach.

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jkiley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ZaraK

You know what? As a consumer, I skip the hubpage, ezine, squidoo et al entries and go digging back further for what I need. I automatically look at where that link is coming from to determine if its a "credible" link before I even click on it.

Why? Because I know those are all just flashing neon signs along the highway to my end result. I knew this before I even got into investigating IM because every time I landed on one of those sites the intention of the writer was very, very clear.

I want my end result, not the flashing neon signs.

Clearly, there are a whole bunch of really stupid searchers out there, but is that your target demographic?

Maybe it is, in which case you're using the right approach.

Just because you do it this way, doesn't make other 98% people stupid if they do it the other way.

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ZaraK 14 years ago

Well, yeah, it sort of does if they allow themselves to stop to read the advertising before they actually go to the meat.
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- Dylan K 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ZaraK
  
  Well, yeah, it sort of does if they allow themselves to stop to read the advertising before they actually go to the meat.
  
  Who cares how they do it, as long as they are doing it on one of your pages.
  
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  ZaraK 14 years ago
  
  Do stupid people spend more money than smart people?
  Probably.
  In that case, it's a good approach.
  
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DrewClement

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ZaraK

You know what? As a consumer, I skip the hubpage, ezine, squidoo et al entries and go digging back further for what I need. I automatically look at where that link is coming from to determine if its a "credible" link before I even click on it.

Why? Because I know those are all just flashing neon signs along the highway to my end result. I knew this before I even got into investigating IM because every time I landed on one of those sites the intention of the writer was very, very clear.

I want my end result, not the flashing neon signs.

Clearly, there are a whole bunch of really stupid searchers out there, but is that your target demographic?

Maybe it is, in which case you're using the right approach.

Unfortunately, and I am not trying to stir the pot at all, this is one of the reasons why a lot of people are unable to make money or produce results online. I am not saying you are not successful in any way, but sadly this type of mentality can really restrict people.

The issue is that thinking like this has you too much in the mindsight of a marketer, and not as a consumer. The vast majority of people using the internet do not overanalyze links like this, care where they are getting the information from, and dont even understand or care about how or why ezine, squidoo, and hubpages are used.

And it doesnt make them stupid, it makes them normal.

We are the weird ones, and we need to remember that when trying to market to the masses.

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mikkosant

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DrewClement

Unfortunately, and I am not trying to stir the pot at all, this is one of the reasons why a lot of people are unable to make money or produce results online. I am not saying you are not successful in any way, but sadly this type of mentality can really restrict people.

The issue is that thinking like this has you too much in the mindsight of a marketer, and not as a consumer. The vast majority of people using the internet do not overanalyze links like this, care where they are getting the information from, and dont even understand or care about how or why ezine, squidoo, and hubpages are used.

And it doesnt make them stupid, it makes them normal.

We are the weird ones, and we need to remember that when trying to market to the masses.

I have to say, it is important to remember that consumers don't know that ezine is practically an affiliate hub or that clicking on a hubpage will always lead to a salespage. Heck, I pretty much skip over all the web2.0 sites now whenever I am searching for info just because I know there is a catchy call to action at the bottom and will lead to a salespage..Most likely the info in the article won't really help me at all.....

But, owning the first page for a converting keyword is great, just make sure to test the waters with some ppc if you can before diving in with seo.

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WarForNom

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ZaraK

You know what? As a consumer, I skip the hubpage, ezine, squidoo et al entries and go digging back further for what I need. I automatically look at where that link is coming from to determine if its a "credible" link before I even click on it.

Why? Because I know those are all just flashing neon signs along the highway to my end result. I knew this before I even got into investigating IM because every time I landed on one of those sites the intention of the writer was very, very clear.

I want my end result, not the flashing neon signs.

Clearly, there are a whole bunch of really stupid searchers out there, but is that your target demographic?

Maybe it is, in which case you're using the right approach.

Let's say that my $ page is #1, and a bunch of--call it "fluff"--that I have created has pushed all of my competitors onto page 2 and beyond.

If as a consumer you like to skip the squidoo and whatnot, you now have 1 meat and potatoes link to choose from, and it is the #1 result so you can't miss it.

In what way am I worse off in this case than if nine of my competitors are lined up beneath me, or indeed if 1 of my competitors has positions 2 thru 10?

My suspicion is that having "10 results for your consumer to click" would be less than half of the value of front page ownership. The primary value of this kind of dominance would seem to lie in depriving my competition of owning any scrap of it that they haven't paid cash for.

But then I am really new around here.

Your thoughts?

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thebitbotdotcom

14 years ago

Owning the first page is definitely doable if you refine your niche enough and a great tactic that is VERY widely used.

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MarkAnderson

14 years ago

Good idea. Very easily you can do it through low completive keywords and high PR sites such as eza, hubpages.......

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hotftuna

14 years ago

I do seo for one big money phrase and I have been doing so for 10 years now.

10 years ago, 6 or more of the first page where either my sites, my clients sites, or my friends sites.

It is way more competitive today and this is no longer realistic for a very competitive phrase. It is a good idea for a non-competitive phrase- The OP made a good point.

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RossChops

14 years ago

Nice idea. I was thinking along similar kinds of lines earlier today and its nice to see that this is a widely recognised thing to do already. And there was me thinking i was original lol

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Enfusia

14 years ago

Where this tactic really works well is in the auto blog arena.
You watch your traffic to see what product title is bringing in your search volume.

Then you put up a Xomba, zimbio, Hub, Squido, and EZA or Info Barrel and write one article with spun links going to all these 2.0 sites and your site.
Place it in a good service that will get you 1,500 plus total links.

You only work with proven traffic winners because you analyzed your own traffic to find the one to focus on.

You will own page 1 and virtually every search for that product will be going to you.

You can also do this with review sites ect. Just watch your traffic see what keywords pulling and go for it.
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Aaarrrggghhh 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Enfusia

Where this tactic really works well is in the auto blog arena.
You watch your traffic to see what product title is bringing in your search volume.

These are the exact tactics I am currently using and they seem to be working really well.

Just by watching how visitors are finding my sites I discover some great keywords to go for, many of them I would have never thought of.

Surprising to me as a marketer it really opens your eyes to learn how you should be thinking outside the box and it applies to any niche.

One of the best things I really enjoy about autoblogging is all those juicy keywords your visitors tell you about
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WarForNom

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Enfusia

Where this tactic really works well is in the auto blog arena.
You watch your traffic to see what product title is bringing in your search volume.

Then you put up a Xomba, zimbio, Hub, Squido, and EZA or Info Barrel and write one article with spun links going to all these 2.0 sites and your site.
Place it in a good service that will get you 1,500 plus total links.Patrick

I know what spun articles are. Can someone briefly explain what spun links are?

Thank you.

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jhonsean 14 years ago

Being on the first page on google it deals with great efforts and patience as well as you do high quality off page and on page optimization and also quality content implement it manually as you see the progress of your task.
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Banned 14 years ago

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Dellco 14 years ago

A heads up, but does anyone notice each search results page is now 12 results long? This is what I saw using a proxy, and may still be 10 results for other regions or datacenters.

Can anyone confirm this?
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mavericace

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jkiley

If you are serious about some keyword then you have to own the entire first page (or the most part of it) on google. That is how you really lock-in the user.

So, how do you do that? by creating, hubpage, squidoo page, ezine articles...and have backlinks to those pages.

Having this strategy also gives strength to your top level link, and you won't be easily kicked out.

So, if you want to make it big, don't just think about the #1 link on the first page...think about having 6 or 7 links pointing to something that you control.

I think this is too ambitious to do, come to think of it, but good point.

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