Is it possible to have not many pages, yet have PR 3?

by Vijay M

Posted: 13 years ago 8 replies

Today, I came across a site which has a pr of 3 , yet, has no alexa rank!!

Went to the way back machine, and it shows the domain had 3 pages in 2007 and 6 pages in 2008.

according to yahoo, it has only 14 backlinks.

One of them is a site which has an alexa rank in the lower 300, yet the page itself on which the link is on has no pr.

What do you guys think?

#alexa rank #pagerank

Sleaklight

13 years ago

Not everyone uses the alexa toolbar so it is very possible for a site to have PR3 and no alexa rating. for your site to have an alexa rating, you have to have visitors with the alexa toolbar visiting.

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Vijay M

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Sleaklight

Thanks for your time and response. Any input on how a 6 page site can gain a pr 3 with just 14 backlinks?

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Tom Goodwin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Vijay M

Thanks for your time and response. Any input on how a 6 page site can gain a pr 3 with just 14 backlinks?

First, pagerank is determined on a page, not a domain basis (that is, a "site" doesn't have a pagerank, a page on a site has a pagerank). So i'm assuming you are saying that in this instance the root domain of the site has the page rank 3.

for some reason, some folks on IM forums think you need lots of pages on a domain to (1) be a quality site, and/or (2) have Pagerank to the rootdomain (or the individual pages), or (3) rank well in Google. None of that is true. I have domains with less than 5 pages that rank at the top of Google and are PR4+.

First, where are you searching for the backlinks? Hopefully using something that includes at least Yahoo Site Explorer, as using something like the "link:" search in Google is a joke (typically shows 1% of incoming links typically).

14 backlinks can be quite different from site to site based upon the quality of the links. Perhaps some of these have PR4+? If I only had one backlink coming in, but it was a PR6 page link, I could conceivable get to a PR4 or 5 on that basis alone.

Another possibility is the site had some higher PR page links coming in, have since dropped off, but Google hasn't updated the PR since then.

A third possibility is that they are redirecting a high PR domain site to this site with a permanent redirect.

if I create a new domain today, let's call it http : //www.ihatethewarriorforum.com. I also have PR5 domain, called http : //www.mysiterocks.com. If I do a permanent 301 redirect of my mysiterocks.com to ihatethewarriorforum.com, it will appear that ihatethewarriorforum.com has a PR5. This is called faked PR.

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Vijay M

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

You are right..the root has a PR of 3 and one of the inside pages has a pr of 2. I guess it would be called siterank, instead of pagerank, if the site was being ranked.

First, where are you searching for the backlinks? Hopefully using something that includes at least Yahoo Site Explorer, as using something like the "link:" search in Google is a joke (typically shows 1% of incoming links typically).

Checked in yahoo site explorer.

14 backlinks can be quite different from site to site based upon the quality of the links. Perhaps some of these have PR4+? If I only had one backlink coming in, but it was a PR6 page link, I could conceivable get to a PR4 or 5 on that basis alone.

The sites themselves have high pr's, but the page the back link is on, has no pr.

Another possibility is the site had some higher PR page links coming in, have since dropped off, but Google hasn't updated the PR since then.

A third possibility is that they are redirecting a high PR domain site to this site with a permanent redirect.

if I create a new domain today, let's call it http : //www.ihatethewarriorforum.com. I also have PR5 domain, called http : //www.mysiterocks.com. If I do a permanent 301 redirect of my mysiterocks.com to ihatethewarriorforum.com, it will appear that ihatethewarriorforum.com has a PR5. This is called faked PR.

Tom

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Tom Goodwin

13 years ago

Well, first, your title is confusing, as pagerank = Pagerank=PR, so no, a site can't be PR3 and have no pagerank:rolleyes:

But, in terms of alexa, yes, that is quite easy. PR is based upon incoming backlinks. Alexa is based upon traffic, and not just traffic, but traffic that have the Alexa or related toolbars installed. You can have traffic without the necessary backlinks, and you can have the necessary backlinks without the traffic.

I own quite a few feeder sites of mine that have PR4+ but no alexa rank. I don't care about traffic, and in fact, don't necessarily even want traffic.

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Vijay M

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Well, first, your title is confusing, as pagerank = Pagerank=PR, so no, a site can't be PR3 and have no pagerank:rolleyes:

Wha...? Your title is very confusing. Pagerank and PR are the same thing.

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oops..I have edited the title. what was I thinking

PR is based upon incoming backlinks.

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Tom, Are you saying that PR is based solely on incoming backlinks, and other factors, like domain age, have no effect on it?

Thanks for your time.

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Tom Goodwin

13 years ago

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oops..I have edited the title. what was I thinking

Tom, Are you saying that PR is based solely on incoming backlinks, and other factors, like domain age, have no effect on it?

Thanks for your time.

In my experience links (whether external, in the form of backlinks, or internal linking from the site) account for pretty much everything when it comes to PR. Is it possible that a 5 year old domain could get a PR1 with no backlinks? Who knows, but the odd outlier like that I think is irrelevant for the analysis as it would only matter at the extreme margins and even then the effects wouldn't be noticeable.

If you are looking at a page that is PR5. It isn't PR5 because it is 4 years old, or it gets 10,000 page views a day, or whatever. It is PR5 because it has the necessary in-linking to that page.

Certainly stuff like traffic, pageviews, etc. have no effect on PR. That I am willing to state