How to improve page 1 ranking?

14 years ago

An interesting question........something I've wondered about too.

In my case, the ones 'above me' are all major companies with a lot of 'clout' via adverts etc.

I don't think my little in comparisson site would ever be ranked above such large companies:confused:

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LangeTroels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul240480

An interesting question........something I've wondered about too.

In my case, the ones 'above me' are all major companies with a lot of 'clout' via adverts etc.

I don't think my little in comparisson site would ever be ranked above such large companies:confused:

Have you done some research on the companies above you?? Are they even focusing on SEO??
It is possible for a small company to rank higher than a bigger company, if you have serious SEO focus and they don't...

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ewenmack

14 years ago

Your so called competition above you may not have your targeted keyphrase in their title tag.

I'm slowly knocking off the ones on page one who have hundreds of baclinks to their url
and have page rank 4,5,and six.

My site has 0 page rank and according to Alexa has one backlink.

Use Alexa to check backlinks on competitors.

What I do have going for me is I have key phrase in domain which all but one has. None of them have key phrase in title tag.

Every day new backlinks are added by bookmarking,, commenting on relavant blogs,
spreading out a press release further and bookmarking them, having press release made into a slide and PDF which are hosted on 10 sites and then bookmark them.

Add something new to website which then becomes newsworthy for another press release
which can be spread far and wide again. The items I add to website are copied and pasted
from else where which I have permission to take.

As you can see it is an ongoing backlinking work.

It's worth it because search term gets 2900 queries per day.

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Originally Posted by Paul240480

An interesting question........something I've wondered about too.

In my case, the ones 'above me' are all major companies with a lot of 'clout' via adverts etc.

I don't think my little in comparisson site would ever be ranked above such large companies:confused:

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JamesMSpacey

14 years ago

Backlink it.

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rockstaradi 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesMSpacey

Backlink it.

I second this one. You need high quality backlinks with keywords you are targeting. It really works
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LangeTroels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rinor81

Hey guys,

I have a couple of sites that are on page 1 of google and the keywords I rank there don't have too much competition. They are ranked 7-10 on page 1 and my question is, is there a way to get them higher on page 1?

On page SEO is all done properly, so now it's a question of off page SEO and backlinks? Or is there another thing to do?

How to get them a bit higher in your opinion?

Thank you.

On-page SEO, content and off-page SEO.. Backlinks, backlinks, backlinks..

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steveniam

14 years ago

I have a site which was ranked between 5 to 12 on page one for more than a year on a very competitive niche. Few months ago it suddenly jump to number one and it stay there for more than a month. Unfortunately it disappear out of sight without notice. It came back to be number two, 2 to 3 weeks later but disappear again after a few days.

After more than two months it suddenly appear again as number two. I do not know how long it will stay there.

From my experience staying as top 3 on Google is very risky. It can disappear suddenly without reason.

I still prefer to be ranked between 5 to 9 on Google - it is more stable.

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ewenmack

14 years ago

In my keyprase ranking, it was me doing the jumping up and down, not those above me.

It was happening with all new content not being keyphrase optimized.

Fixed that by having it in beginning of title, beginning of first sentence and at end of content.

With ongoing backlinking I stay at each spot I move up to, and stay there before the next move up on page one.

Hope that helps,
Ewen

Originally Posted by steveniam

I have a site which was ranked between 5 to 12 on page one for more than a year on a very competitive niche. Few months ago it suddenly jump to number one and it stay there for more than a month. Unfortunately it disappear out of sight without notice. It came back to be number two, 2 to 3 weeks later but disappear again after a few days.

After more than two months it suddenly appear again as number two. I do not know how long it will stay there.

From my experience staying as top 3 on Google is very risky. It can disappear suddenly without reason.

I still prefer to be ranked between 5 to 9 on Google - it is more stable.

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rinor81

14 years ago

Thank you all for your thoughts and replies!
As for my site, my keywords are in the domain, in the title, in the content, everything that is on page is good. So I was thinking maybe now it's off-page.

You're saying adding content all the time + backlinking?

What make me angry is that sites above me are like was mentioned before big companies/stores like say Amazon or other sites that are not 100% on page seo but they are still above me.

Thoughts?

Thank you all again!

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FredJones

14 years ago

If you are talking about the Amazons and Nextags and Bizrates then they are ranking high because they deserve it. If you are angry at them, then you need to do a bit of mind pacifying first. Why are you not angry with your President and Ministers, just as an analogy? In a way, they "deserve it" because they have "earned it". The same goes for Amazon etc.

Why in the world should Amazon etc not rank high? They have been here for a long time, they are trusted, they have high home page PR and have held such ranks consistently, plus have a significant number of inner pages much higher than a reasonable critical mass.

If someone does not rank after achieving all of this, then the search engine would be doing a terrible job. Why would you be angry because someone else is achieving? Rather, focus on your work and try to achieve. If you have the guts, open the next Nextag - they are also affiliate sellers AFAIK.

Originally Posted by rinor81

What make me angry is that sites above me are like was mentioned before big companies/stores like say Amazon or other sites that are not 100% on page seo but they are still above me.

Thoughts?

Thank you all again!

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rinor81

14 years ago

I don't have any problems with Amazon, it seems I have a site that is above Amazon by one place.
I have problems that google sometimes will prefer big stores and sites over affiliates and he tries to go against them, that's not cool at all.
Also, if there is a specific algorithm, sites that are above me but did less good good on SEO, that pisses me off, why they are on first page say and I am only 30+ when I did a better SEO job?

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FredJones

14 years ago

My friend,

What I am hearing from you is that you think you have done a better SEO job than them because you apparently have better on-page and better off-page factors.

Well, do you?

No. Probably not.

What you are trying to say in reality is that you have done what you have thought to be a better SEO job as you have seemed to hear from the SEO gurus. Definitely you did what you have heard. But what do you see as the results? That, what you have heard is not correct. Because, results tell. And the results are telling you.

Now, I am not going into the debate whether the gurus intended to say the right thing and you did not catch every fine print inside the message, or whether the fine prints were simply missing, but I would simply take this away as a learning and try to see what did Amazon and the likes do to get such good rankings.

In my personal cases (and I do deal with physical products as an affiliate), I have done that in the hindsight - not when I had started but after I realized what's going on. And trust me, what Google is doing is completely legitimate as per my thoughts. Nothing rocket-science there - Google is simply ranking the inner pages of trusted+high-PR domains higher more easily. That's all in a nutshell.

And by the way, when I say trust, again let me make the following clear what I mean. I personally suspect (and this may be completely wrong as always because I have no insider's info as you can guess) that unlike the convention in which many people say that Edu and Gov are trusted - which I completely agree to - you do not have to be an Edu or a Gov to be trusted. It is like all humans are mortal, but all mortals are not necessarily humans.

Originally Posted by rinor81

Also, if there is a specific algorithm, sites that are above me but did less good good on SEO, that pisses me off, why they are on first page say and I am only 30+ when I did a better SEO job?

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rinor81

14 years ago

Originally Posted by FredJones

My friend,

What I am hearing from you is that you think you have done a better SEO job than them because you apparently have better on-page and better off-page factors.

Well, do you?

No. Probably not.

What you are trying to say in reality is that you have done what you have thought to be a better SEO job as you have seemed to hear from the SEO gurus. Definitely you did what you have heard. But what do you see as the results? That, what you have heard is not correct. Because, results tell. And the results are telling you.

Now, I am not going into the debate whether the gurus intended to say the right thing and you did not catch every fine print inside the message, or whether the fine prints were simply missing, but I would simply take this away as a learning and try to see what did Amazon and the likes do to get such good rankings.

In my personal cases (and I do deal with physical products as an affiliate), I have done that in the hindsight - not when I had started but after I realized what's going on. And trust me, what Google is doing is completely legitimate as per my thoughts. Nothing rocket-science there - Google is simply ranking the inner pages of trusted+high-PR domains higher more easily. That's all in a nutshell.

And by the way, when I say trust, again let me make the following clear what I mean. I personally suspect (and this may be completely wrong as always because I have no insider's info as you can guess) that unlike the convention in which many people say that Edu and Gov are trusted - which I completely agree to - you do not have to be an Edu or a Gov to be trusted. It is like all humans are mortal, but all mortals are not necessarily humans.

Thank you for your reply.
I think I did a better SEO job yes, and it does show when I have some of my sites on page 1 of google which is great! But like I asked before, how do I get a bit more higher on that page 1?
Most here say it's off page and link building, so maybe that is the case because I lack that for now, don't have enough links to my sites, they are too new, but is that really the case or do we speculate? Do we really understand google 100%?

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jasikablack

14 years ago

The most obvious solution will be to get as many incoming links as you can, while shutting down your site and not linking to anyone else. Wikipedia is one example of such closed system, as every outgoing link on WikiPedia is 'nofollow'.
However things are not as easy, as Google has tweaked their algorithm over the years and in effort to fight those kind of Page Rank conservation they have probably invented numerous algorithms to detect and even punish such sites,While Google takes into consideration the PageRank of your site, high PR doesn't always equate to a higher Search Engine Results Position (SERP). You can have high PR and have a low SERP on a certian keyword phrase, while some other site can have low PR but have a high SERP on the same keyword phrase.

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rinor81 14 years ago

So the effort now will only be try and get as many backlinks as possible?
Article directories, blogs, comments, directories and so on?
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by jasikablack

The most obvious solution will be to get as many incoming links as you can, while shutting down your site and not linking to anyone else. Wikipedia is one example of such closed system, as every outgoing link on WikiPedia is 'nofollow'.
However things are not as easy, as Google has tweaked their algorithm over the years and in effort to fight those kind of Page Rank conservation they have probably invented numerous algorithms to detect and even punish such sites,While Google takes into consideration the PageRank of your site, high PR doesn't always equate to a higher Search Engine Results Position (SERP). You can have high PR and have a low SERP on a certian keyword phrase, while some other site can have low PR but have a high SERP on the same keyword phrase.

This technique has not been useful for me. Ironically when you provide outgoing links to the authority websites and even the pages that are outranking you, Google commends it and ranks you higher in most cases.

Google doesn't want to send people to websites that have a dead end, they want the user to get valuable information and have the option of linking through to authority sites.

Outgoing links can be very useful if you know how to use them.

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FredJones

14 years ago

Yes, backlinks. You are spot on. There is no other answer to this that comes to my mind at the moment, and don't suppose much more of an answer is going to come from me either. At least if I was in your place I would backlink.

Originally Posted by rinor81

Hey guys,

I have a couple of sites that are on page 1 of google and the keywords I rank there don't have too much competition. They are ranked 7-10 on page 1 and my question is, is there a way to get them higher on page 1?

On page SEO is all done properly, so now it's a question of off page SEO and backlinks? Or is there another thing to do?

How to get them a bit higher in your opinion?

Thank you.

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fanatic123

14 years ago

Well, you pretty much answered it yourself, why not simply concentrate on backlink creation?

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jhonsean

14 years ago

Every SEO like us always said that we must focus on link building in order to have page rankings but then were here to adjust more on how we deal with the task that we usually engage in SEO.

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Jordan Kovats

14 years ago

90% is off page. Link build. Then when you are done, do some more link building. And once you are done that, do it again. That is where most fail, they take their foot off the gas. In this game, once you get to the finish line (#1) you still have to keep your foot on the gas.

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gcuffe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by theseoguys

90% is off page. Link build. Then when you are done, do some more link building. And once you are done that, do it again. That is where most fail, they take their foot off the gas. In this game, once you get to the finish line (#1) you still have to keep your foot on the gas.

so how many links does it take to go from pagerank 0 to 1?
how fast can I go from pagerank 0 to 1 on a new site?

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pethanks

14 years ago

Achieving that Page 1 ranking is not instantaneous. Just wait and you will reap the harvest at the proper time. Just continue your SEO strategies.

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aisha123

14 years ago

There are some tips to improve ranking in search engine results:-
keyword Phrases
Social networking
Back links
Submit Your sites in the right directories etc

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ramziyah

14 years ago

I think you don't have enough of quality backlinks. Link building is an important aspect of SEO. So long as you have good of page, on page factors and plenty of backlinks, your site will get definitely achieve higher page rankings.

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lucy.goibu

14 years ago

There are many ways lead to your site reached top rank. SEO service as senuke, backlink profiles... You have time enough to search this field, i believe you can get it.

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socialbookmark

14 years ago

Whether you use automated softwares or manual way, you should make some more quality backlinks for your website to rank higher on search engine results. There is not any other way for ranking higher.
But if you want to drive more traffic to your website, you can use Facebook and Twitter too. These websites can help your website to get more traffic but note that these websites can not help your website to rank higher on search engines.
Writing some articles and submitting them to quality article directories and submitting your website to some web directories can help you too.

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Marketing Ignite

14 years ago

Yes if you know for sure that your onsite is done properly, then move on to the off site...quality back links is a key in this process...

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julia1

14 years ago

I agree with Marketing Ignite..the only thing now you can do is to build the quality backlinks. Place you links on the sites with good PR. Search engine will give extra focus on your site if you have the links of your site with good PR.

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craigcdz

14 years ago

Try utilizing social medias to get traffic to the site, build as much quality back links as you can..Stay focused and keep doing the SEO activities, you'll surely come to the top on first page...

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sortshots

14 years ago

Forums are a great way to achieve links to your website. In most forums you are allowed to have a signature and in your signature you can put a link to your website. But another important note to look on is making sure the forum is somewhat related to your website. You will still get credit if it's not, but if it's related to your website than you will be accomplishing two tasks at once.

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sulabh 14 years ago

Well this is my first post to this forum and i would say to you if you not continuing SEO on your site it will get down and down in Google page as others are doing work on the sites you also have to do SEO whether its on On-Page or Off-Page.
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princedant

14 years ago

That is a wonderful information about Google page ranks. So many feel discomfort, while handling these terms. Here by your article they can gain a good decent knowledge on google page ranks.

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samuel.johnson

14 years ago

Get more number of backlinks in the same niche.

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bettyduncan

14 years ago

Try pay-per-click! Build more do-follow links!
Ways that cost money like banner and pay-per-click, etc.!

Just my opinion!

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Zahurbroune

13 years ago

This will be the most obvious solution to many as you can get incoming links, while closing down your site and is not linked to any other person.
But things are not as easy as, and save for years and attempts to deal with this type of page rank algorithm than Google might have tweaked the algorithms that penalise so many sites to find out the facts that Google takes into account the Page-Rank of your site though, does not invent high PR search engines always high means the result of the situation. You get a high number and it has certain low key phrases, while others have a low PR site, but the same keyword phrase may be a high .

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aileenwuornos

13 years ago

only backlink can help you , so try to generate links from same theme , quality sites. site must have some content.

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