.com vs .org huge disadvantage. You must read this!

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I have to share this with you guys. It's kinda long but read it through....

2 Days ago I did some keyword research and came to the conclusion that a particular keyword was a search term I wanted to target. I went to godaddy and checked for the domain name and the .COM was available. I slid on over to 1&1 to purchase it since I get .coms from them for $4.99. They said it was available, I paid for it and went on with my day since I knew it would take a while for the nameservers to be ready to be forwarded.

A few hours later, they email me telling me that I couldnt get the domain since it is now unavailable. They claim someone else bought it the same time as I did but I dont buy that. I knew there had to be some catch to them selling .coms for so cheap.

Anyway, I went ahead and bought www.keyboardforbeginners.org instead

I then went ahead and installed wordpress, wrote 2 keyword rich articles and did the full hi h2 tags, meta data etc. Fully optimized for my keyword.

So now Ive been indexed by google, I wrote an ezine article, slideshare, docstoc, rss feeds, the works, pinged them etc. I did it all.

So now I decide to look through google to see where I'm standing. Guess who's on the first page!! Not me, but the person who supposedly bumped me form the .com I originally wanted. But to make matters worse, their website has absolutely NOTHING on their page! All they did was install wordpress. No articles, no meta data, NOTHING! All they have is wordpress installed with the title.

It gets even worse. With all my backlinks, keyword rich articles, etc, I am nowhere to be found within the first 10 pages of google! $*@#%...

Are .COMs preferred by google that much?? Is there anything someone can tell me to make me feel better?

Oh, and is there anyway for you to see where your site stands in the rankings without having to go through and look at every page on google?

And just so you know, I didn't add any affiliate links before the site was indexed so I know google didn't trash my site for that.
#disadvantage #huge #org #read
  • Profile picture of the author jlady
    Sounds like its doing the google dance, don't worry it happens to everyone. You can check your rankings with rank checker (it's a free download) on seobook.com.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    Uhh, I see you on page 3 with the .com nowhere in sight...
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    • Profile picture of the author howinfo
      I did not see .com either, at least on fist five pages. If you just launched the site it will come back up, just Google dance, keep doing what you doing, quality content and links and you will be on the fist page at no time. .org is good extension and Google don't give any special treatments to any extension so don't worry.
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  • Profile picture of the author ninal
    I can actually see your site on page 3 and the .com version on page 5
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  • Profile picture of the author keliix06
    ... I need to learn how to read
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  • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
    Just to let you know, the .com name was registered as private (although you may have already checked that out). That certainly sounds fishy. I only use Godaddy to register a domain and I've never had issues like that. I use a coupon code to get them for $7.50 and I don't mind the extra $2.50 to avoid problems like this.

    I bet that site uses some kind of script to check out keyword search traffic and auto registers a domain name that someone else tries to buy if it comes across something good. It's entirely possible to do and would be a good reason they offer domains cheaper. That's why I stick with reputable businesses for domain and web hosting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by phpnetpro View Post

      Just to let you know, the .com name was registered as private (although you may have already checked that out). That certainly sounds fishy.
      LOL. Why is that? There is nothing wrong with not wanting your name/address out there floating around. I bet that a pretty large number of us here us privacy protection on our domains.
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      • Profile picture of the author deloriagod
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        LOL. Why is that? There is nothing wrong with not wanting your name/address out there floating around. I bet that a pretty large number of us here us privacy protection on our domains.
        Agreed. I don't want my name attached to some auto-blogs, random affiliate sites, of MFA sites. Actually, the only way I would want my name attached to a site is if it was a legitimate business.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    First of all, you shouldn't have linked to their site here. It's giving them a free boost. I suggest you remove it from your post ASAP.

    Ranking on a new site with no history and no authority links is very volatile. Don't make yourself crazy seeing where you rank hour to hour or even day to day. Just get the best links you can and build good content and you'll do well sooner or later depending on the competition.
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    • Profile picture of the author orvn
      I can't get over how he registered it at the same time as you!! (I must apologize for loling at your expense)

      I'm sure you'll climb up the rankings and leave him in the dust, give Google a chance to dance a few times.

      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      First of all, you shouldn't have linked to their site here. It's giving them a free boost. I suggest you remove it from your post ASAP.
      That sound like a solid piece of advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      First of all, you shouldn't have linked to their site here. It's giving them a free boost. I suggest you remove it from your post ASAP.

      Ranking on a new site with no history and no authority links is very volatile. Don't make yourself crazy seeing where you rank hour to hour or even day to day. Just get the best links you can and build good content and you'll do well sooner or later depending on the competition.
      Lesson # 2- never search for domains on godady and go buy elsewhere :-) or just never search for domains on godaddy.
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Lesson # 2- never search for domains on godady and go buy elsewhere :-) or just never search for domains on godaddy.
        The .com domain is hosted on The Planet, not GoDaddy, BTW.

        The .com was registered previously and it might have been picked up by a domain buying service. If that's the case, nothing nefarious happened, just domain buying as usual.
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        • Profile picture of the author Krishna876
          Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

          The .com domain is hosted on The Planet, not GoDaddy, BTW.

          The .com was registered previously and it might have been picked up by a domain buying service. If that's the case, nothing nefarious happened, just domain buying as usual.
          Well my first thought wasn't that they cheated me out of the domain. I just figured that 1&1 was just slower than other hosts at taking the name off the market. Not sure what exactly the process is but I really have to wonder if this would have happened had I bought the domain from godaddy or some other well known host...
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          • Profile picture of the author brchap
            I often fall into the same trap of cheacking my stats and ranking, and then getting all emotional about it. LOL!

            Yep... Some of us need to learn to chill out.

            As for the OP, just keep a steady trickle of backlinks flowing and you'll be fine. I can often outrank a .com with a .org with good backlinking.
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      • Profile picture of the author junkdna
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Lesson # 2- never search for domains on godady and go buy elsewhere :-) or just never search for domains on godaddy.
        I noticed this as well. Some domains, with really good words, disappeared from the available list a day after I searched on them.

        On other note, I would say that it is just a Google dance, he will fall and you shall rise. Site with more links and more content is always more important.
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    • Profile picture of the author Howard_Aulsbrook
      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      First of all, you shouldn't have linked to their site here. It's giving them a free boost. I suggest you remove it from your post ASAP.

      Ranking on a new site with no history and no authority links is very volatile. Don't make yourself crazy seeing where you rank hour to hour or even day to day. Just get the best links you can and build good content and you'll do well sooner or later depending on the competition.
      I didn't originally catch the link to the other site. You are spot on! You need to edit out the site name and link ASAP!
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  • Profile picture of the author Howard_Aulsbrook
    I just did a quick search on Google and your site showed in position #8 for the exact phrase "keyboard for beginners" and #20 for the broad phrase. I Didn't see the other site in question for a broad search, but only looked at 4 pages. The other site is in position #18 for the exact phrase.

    It looks as if what you are doing is working, so just keep plugging away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
    Originally Posted by Lewguru View Post

    So now Ive been indexed by google, I wrote an ezine article, slideshare, docstoc, rss feeds, the works, pinged them etc. I did it all.
    :rolleyes: LOL. C'mon now. That is nothing.

    As for the rest of your rent... 2 DAYS? My god. Often new sites are indexed at all in Google in 2 days. You should be measuring ranking progress in months, not hours. Who told you that you should be ranking in 48 hours? Whoever did, ask for your money back.

    Also note that what often happens when you have new domains, particular when you get exact match keyword domains (like in this case), they typically might rank on page 1 of Google with zero backlinks from the beginning. Google rewards a combination of having the keyword as the domain, and ranks them highly based off of a sort of "newness" factor (i.e., a site might rank higher right out of the gate then it might later simply due to the fact that google often temporarily rewards new sites and new content).

    But, then if you throw links at the page, the site/page will often jump way back (often won't be found anywhere) for a little bit as Google absorbs things. Just chill is my advice.

    I have tons of .net and .org domains ranking high in Google.

    Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Krishna876
    Thanks a lot guys for your input.

    I edited the post to exclude their site. I didn't know it would come up as a link.

    @ Tom Goodwin, you're right, maybe I am rushing it. I'm just comparing my progress to theirs seeing that we started on the same day. Something happenned within the past 2 hours that turned the tables though and I'm now seeing myself in the google results.

    Thanks again everyone. I LOVE THIS FORUM!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author richboom
    i have few .org and .net, most of it in 1st page google as well..i dont think google rank only .com domain..as most of the time i couldnt get .com, and straight away buy .org and .net, while most of the time i get better result then .com.. means my page is in front or few page earlier than .com..
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    a .info site can beat that .com site. My .orgs can beat .coms with no problems at all.

    Dont worry about it. Competition is good and you'll be driven to beat him/her/it

    Keep working on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Have a little patience...

    It can take a month, two months, sometimes before you see a high ranking. It happens. Usually you will stick somewhere after a while and not notice much movement after your initial backlinking, once it settles. Then, of course, just do more backlinking.

    Ranking in the search engines is not usually an overnight thing, it can take a long time for your site to settle.
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  • Profile picture of the author rypher21
    results sometimes goes like that but then rechecking would be nice and chill...things like that happens but once you already in Internet for quite sometime you'll see that your work results well
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  • Profile picture of the author avatar103
    WTF, your having a moan because google is dancing? just continue to add links, submit articles and it will all come good
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    If I were you I would not worry about checking the rankings day to day. Just concentrate on generating more great content and building the backlinks as you mentioned with sites like slideshare, yudu etc and using rss and ping.
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    One of the biggest issues is new people thinking their brand new site will rank well immediately, and stay there when it does.
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  • Profile picture of the author mhuffs9017
    I have heard from others that do domain searching on GoDaddy.com that they actually will place a temporary hold (which is total BS) on the domain to prevent any other registrar from securing it. Basically, GoDaddy want's your money.

    DO NOT use GoDaddy.com to do marketing research. Choose a small registrar such as the one I use 123cheapdomains.com. Simple interface and easy to find out if my domain is available without GoDaddy.com trumping me.
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  • Profile picture of the author yanivkalfa
    To be honest i really thinks that google treat all of them the same even gov and EDU. i thinks that people saying edu/com/gov are preferred by google its nonsense and its a big make believe

    Its all about links. and the way you SEO you site / even the links there is a way to do it and not just spamm the first day you got the domain.

    just an opinion here.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      I have often wondered if people start these threads under the guise of
      self-promotion. Thankfully, most do not post the link with the complaint.

      How many times is the WF getting these threads?

      "I did x, y, x, 1, 2, 3, and 4, and I know I should be #1!
      Since I'm not, it must be something that I missed. Like going
      for a dot org instead of a dot com."

      You are royally pissed off because you were sold that if you
      do some list, then your page MUST be #1.

      One more laundry list to instant success bites the dust.

      Of course it's funny about that .org thing.

      Wikipedia ranks so low I never see it...

      Real advice: Relax! Just keep on doing good things and good things will happen to you!
      Maybe. There are no guarantees.

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  • Profile picture of the author maddydp
    .com, .net, .org have the same value. .com is considered for only one reason, people remember it better than other TLDs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Qualibid
      Originally Posted by maddydp View Post

      .com, .net, .org have the same value. .com is considered for only one reason, people remember it better than other TLDs.
      Agree. Except .info. People use .info for minor temporary sites that will be banned.
      You should use .com only for major branded projects where word of mouth is one of the main promotional channels. In all other cases it doesn't matter.
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by Qualibid View Post

        Except .info. People use .info for minor temporary sites that will be banned.
        Total and absolute nonsense.

        Google on the bold terms in the paragraph below and see if they're minor temporary sites that will be banned.

        This does beg the question, have you ever searched for info on Noam Chomsky? How about regular expressions, roman coins,craft ideas, or how to check your page rank? Maybe you've never needed to do some research to find out if New York was a sanctuary city or to find out something about New York transit. Oh, and have you thought about moving your money to a local bank before you go shopping on Black Friday?
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Bgmacaw, you forgot the other half:

        Originally Posted by Qualibid View Post

        You should use .com only for major branded projects where word of mouth is one of the main promotional channels.
        Complete nonsense, part II.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Don't know what all the fuss is about. I don't see any of those domains on the first page. the .com comes in at 44 which means you both are getting zero traffic. All is well with the SEO world.

    P.S. You might be overdoing the keywords on your page. You even out lower on the page but you sure do start out like your are keyword stuffing.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Sounds like you need to start backlinking to your site is all. Godaddy did snipe that keyword from you. They really don't like people using their search function and then not ordering the domain from them. So you lost the domain because you wanted to save $4?
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    With a .org your webhosting IP address and targetting settings in webmaster tools can play a big factor.
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  • Profile picture of the author designerjack
    Great article. I thought you copied this from the web but it seems like you really took the time to write us the disadvantages, and I am happy to did this for us warriors...
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by designerjack View Post

      Great article. I thought you copied this from the web but it seems like you really took the time to write us the disadvantages, and I am happy to did this for us warriors...
      Happy? About what? That the whole premise has been debunked? You should be
      happy about the great responses

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      I wouldn't trust GD as far as I could throw them, but I always do my searching at either namecheap.com or name.com and I've never ever encountered this issue.

      Tom

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      First rule when shopping for a new domain.

      NEVER, NEVER, NEVER... use any site like Godaddy to search for the domain name.

      Simply use your browser, & search for the domain name you want.

      If you search for www.XXXXXX.com & get a "No site exist", chances are that domain is available to buy.

      Most times If someone is trying to jack up the cost of a domain name, they will park the page, so you won't see a "No site exist" (skip those domains).

      Trust me Godaddy & all the other similar sites track every search you do, on their site. They would be crazy not to.
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  • Profile picture of the author kposs
    If you're searching for .com, .net or .org domains, check them at the source - InterNIC.
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  • Profile picture of the author 32paul52
    I have many .orgs that do great, so get used to the jumps up and down- all part of the game. I wonder is many others have tested .infos or .us ?

    MDomains with 2500 plus searches exact (Exact Match Domains) are becoming in short supply....
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  • Profile picture of the author zachary0611
    You may want to lower your keyword density in your posts and reduce the amount of links in your posts too
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    1 word:

    C H I L L !!!

    .org works great, trust me.
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  • Profile picture of the author shulink
    I don't think Google treat them differently. If the site is not good, it will eventually go down in rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author stacyk
    sigh..this has happened to some of my friends over the years. I hope it wasn't 1&1 ... who actually took this from you.. I have a conspiracy theory from domain name registrars but hey no way to prove it! =[
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  • Profile picture of the author lefty359
    Well when I look in Google Search I encounter dot coms, dot orgs, and dot nets on 1st 2 pages but I don't remember ever seeing a dot info. Hmmm.
    Also I have searched domains through GoDaddy and found one, but didn't buy and went back a few mins later and it was gone!
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by lefty359 View Post

      Well when I look in Google Search I encounter dot coms, dot orgs, and dot nets on 1st 2 pages but I don't remember ever seeing a dot info. Hmmm.
      Hmmm....

      Obviously you don't read a thread before you post in it.

      Once again, Google on the bold terms...

      This does beg the question, have you ever searched for info on Noam Chomsky? How about regular expressions, roman coins,craft ideas, or how to check your page rank? Maybe you've never needed to do some research to find out if New York was a sanctuary city or to find out something about New York transit. Oh, and have you thought about moving your money to a local bank before you go shopping on Black Friday?
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  • Profile picture of the author dcjones21
    As far as searching Google for your term, other posts have stated (the 40 Day Challenge one) that Google will remember YOUR search results and preferences. So you can't trust a Google search from your browser to show ranking.

    JosephA recommends using Scroogle to mitigate the Google memory effect.
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    • Profile picture of the author 32paul52
      In regard to tracking ranking I use rank tracker: Rank Tracker - Track Your Search Engine Rankings Easily!

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      Originally Posted by dcjones21 View Post

      As far as searching Google for your term, other posts have stated (the 40 Day Challenge one) that Google will remember YOUR search results and preferences. So you can't trust a Google search from your browser to show ranking.

      JosephA recommends using Scroogle to mitigate the Google memory effect.
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