Its 5am and I still haven't found good keywords...

Yes you can hire people to find a good and quality keywords for your niche. But I recommend that you will do it for yourself.

With the long tail keyword, I haven't been doing keyword research with a long tail keyword since they we're very hard to search. You're just doing fine, but don't expect to get a keyword having 30,000 searches for a long tailed.

no long tails with under 30,000 searches?

hi any advice here?

dawnbreaker is saying that a long tail keyword usually doesn't get high search results, but if you can find the right ratio with the amount of searches, compared to the amount of competition, you can find profitable keywords o promote.
try somewhere around 5000 searches per month, with a competition under 50k.
just do a good job with SEO and you're good.

Dude, youre obviously tired or I am, because I just read your post twice and it still didnt make sense.

What are you trying to do?

Find long tail keywords, or keyword rich domains, or find a niche, or ...?????

I think you may need to be a bit more clear on your question. Do you have a threshold of searches in mind for a long tail? I'm asking because there should be an over abundance of long tails under 30k.

I try to keep my keyword phrases at 800 to 1000 searches as a minimum threshold. I'll go as high as possible if the competition is very low for a keyword. I have one long tail that is 20,000 searches but under 10k competing sites and I am sitting at #5 for that long tail without much work.

what jayvance said

Also, are the search numbers that you're quoting coming up for exact, phrase or broad match? It sounds to me like you may be doing a search for broad match.

Paul

Broad search, I am POSITIVE! You need to do your searches in exact search format. That'll provide you with the results you desire.

You need to catch some sleep first.

Get domain samurai/market samurai.

this is what I did. I went to like ebay pulse. I see that like fish tanks are hot. so then I go to google adwords..keyword tool . I did a broad match...fish tank....did an exact match found 10 gallon fish tanks....on google adwords it looks like a low comp. keyword but when it put in quotes in google its like 123,000 competing pages....i go back to ebay pulse...pick a nother product...same kind of thing....all night. what am I doing wrong? I want a good long tail so I can go buy an exact keyword domain

hi so can anyone help with the example I gave?

I think your on the right track but I think that you need to go the extra step in your research.

Thing about keyword research is that you have to look at it like an onion because there are many layers to the process.

You start with your base keyword

Fish tank

That is broad version of your niche. Now you have to dig into that niche to find where the level of competition is beatable and where the traffic is high enough to make some money.

So you have Fish Tank as your starting point in the research you need to research that level for competition and profitability.

If the competition is too high now you find the next layer to research.

You might choices like

Fish Tank Prices
Fish Tank Accessories

You just keep researching until you find the happy medium to make money. If you hit a dead end just back out one layer and go another route.

Software like Market Samauri makes it easier because you can test the competition level of a keyword with a click of the button.

Another thing that I learned a while back that everything is a niche of something.

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I also feel like I should point out that the number of competing pages doesn't mean squat - what you should be concerned about is the strength of the top 10 pages in the results for a given longtail keyword. If you can beat those, whether there are 100 or 1 million competing pages, it is basically irrelevant.

ok so it seems like without something like market samurai I have to keep guessing and stuff

You searched Paypal for keywords?:confused:

yeah paypal shopes

As it seems its very difficult for you to search keywords manually so i suggest you to use Market Samurai or any other keyword tool that can find keywords and their statistics for you. It saves a lot of time and you will not be such bored later